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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkam. I'm a mother of four,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On

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Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our

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Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one thirteen. Today we're

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Speaker 1: going to be talking about babies. So those of you

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Speaker 1: who listened to last week's episode or have been reading

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Speaker 1: my blog know about our exciting news. So yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: be talking about that and how things have changed over

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Speaker 1: the past five years, over the past thirteen years in

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Speaker 1: the case since my oldest was born, and different gear

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Speaker 1: recommendations that people have sent in, so thank you all

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Speaker 1: for doing those. We're gonna be doing more episodes about

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Speaker 1: advice various people have for the baby stages and such.

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Speaker 1: I just can't believe there's a thirteen year age spread.

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Speaker 1: That is amazing that is gonna be. You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a built in babysitter, right, and maybe maybe at least

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Speaker 1: for I mean the older kids. I'm definitely comfortable with

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Speaker 1: leaving Josper with the older children home, but you know,

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Speaker 1: newborns are complicated, but we'll see how that all works out.

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Speaker 1: I'm just so excited for you, I mean you guys.

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Speaker 1: I sort of had this like inkling and I can't

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Speaker 1: so excited for this. And oddly enough, some of not

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Speaker 1: my very close relatives and acquaintances are all having babies

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Speaker 1: at the same time. So we are very excited to

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Speaker 1: do this episode and talk to Laura more about everything

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Speaker 1: that she's expected, although she of all the people I

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Speaker 1: know having babies, they're all having their first and you're

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Speaker 1: having number five. Yeah. First of all, my first question

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Speaker 1: I don't know big families are. I kind of in

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Speaker 1: seems less, like, wow, five is a big deal, but

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Speaker 1: times around. I am not going to get screwed over

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Speaker 1: by that, so understandable. I'd rad awesome. Did you do

428
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Speaker 1: this with your last one too? So I did this

429
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Speaker 1: with Alex. I also, yes, had somebody for Ruth, although

430
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Speaker 1: it was a slightly different arrangement. You know, I don't

431
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Speaker 1: think we're you would ask. One of these questions is

432
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Speaker 1: about childcare. We probably don't need somebody else during the

433
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Speaker 1: work week, just because my older children are so independent

434
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Speaker 1: at this point. In fact, Jasper and Sam can be

435
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Speaker 1: home by themselves. I mean, this is not they're not

436
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Speaker 1: really needing a babysitter anyway, So it's fewer children who

437
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Speaker 1: are responsible. We've we've thought about if driving becomes an issue,

438
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Speaker 1: we may need to hire someone extra for driving occasionally,

439
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: but for three years, for a couple of years. The

440
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Speaker 1: key thing is the weekends. And Michael and I just

441
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Speaker 1: had a discussion about this, and we are going to

442
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Speaker 1: get a little bit of extra help on the weekends

443
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Speaker 1: because I mean, partly, we have this nice life with

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Speaker 1: our big kids now where you're not having to watch

445
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Speaker 1: them every second, which is nice to get at least

446
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: a few hours of that on the weekend, even if

447
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: we do have a toddler. But also just the logistics.

448
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Speaker 1: The kids have sports, they've got birthday parties, we do

449
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: family activities like bike rides. The baby's gonna nap twice

450
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Speaker 1: a day for fifteen months. Like I don't think the

451
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Speaker 1: whole they are going to become a toddler who's a

452
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Speaker 1: payin the butt to bring anywhere. But yeah, you know,

453
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Speaker 1: we're not going to want to be home from one

454
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Speaker 1: to three thirty in the afternoon every Saturday so that

455
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Speaker 1: the baby can nap. So we're and the big kids

456
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: aren't going to let you. They're not gonna have to

457
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: us like they'll have They're going to be like, yeah,

458
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Speaker 1: you know, skip your swim meet, so I can watch

459
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Speaker 1: the kid nap. Like that doesn't make sense. So you

460
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Speaker 1: know that's going to be a family priority to have

461
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: somebody there watching the baby nap in essence, so we

462
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Speaker 1: can go do our stuff with the big kids. That's awesome. Yeah,

463
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Speaker 1: even we do. Like we over the summer, we had

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Speaker 1: like a regular person just come one weekend morning, just

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Speaker 1: mostly so I could work out and so I could

466
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Speaker 1: send Josh to work without feeling like I had to

467
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Speaker 1: be in charge of the kids both days. And it

468
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: was great, I think, and I can absolutely imagine how

469
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: it's more. It's not about like wanting me time necessarily,

470
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Speaker 1: it's about wanting to be present for your other kids,

471
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Speaker 1: and it's very hard to do that. I mean, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have as much trouble when Genevieve was like

473
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Speaker 1: three months old, but they quickly become nine months old

474
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Speaker 1: and twelve months old, and then you know they don't

475
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: want to sit on the sidelines, and then your focus

476
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: is elsewhere and you sort of miss thing. Oh yeah, no,

477
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Speaker 1: I miss I missed Sam like score a goal in something,

478
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Speaker 1: because I was chasing Alex into a parking lot. And

479
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Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know what, I'm not really here,

480
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Speaker 1: Alex is not enjoying it, Like this is not in

481
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Speaker 1: any way, you know, helpful to anybody. I need to

482
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: And this baby is going to get so much attention

483
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Speaker 1: on the back end when when he's the only one

484
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Speaker 1: at for years. That's true. You don't need to feel

485
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: bad about it now, that's true. I'm hoping that, you know,

486
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Speaker 1: this baby and Alex will be like my two travel companions.

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Speaker 1: Like originally in my sort of life narrative, I was

488
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Speaker 1: going to spend my entire fifties doing sort of leisure travel.

489
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: And of course now I'm still going to have kids

490
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Speaker 1: at home by design, like nobody needs to worry about that.

491
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Speaker 1: But it's I've realized, like traveling with children who are

492
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: twelve is fine. Fine, it's great, it's great. It's a companion,

493
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Speaker 1: somebody to keep you company, go eat with you. Like

494
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: I think even once they're over around six or something.

495
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to like North Carolina with Annabelle,

496
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: and I'm excited, like that's not like hard. Twelve must

497
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: be amazing. And if I wanted to do anything that

498
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: they didn't want to do, they could just sit in

499
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: a hotel like it's not, you know, a big deal.

500
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: So we're Wow, these two are going to be lucky,

501
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: lucky guys. I mean we're going to have a great

502
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Speaker 1: time together. Room logistics. Oh no, that was that's a

503
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: little tougher. You're not going to move, are you. It's

504
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to know. We so Michael and I have

505
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: been doing the standard expecting couple thing of you know,

506
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: spending like ten thirty to eleven PM looking on Zilo Zillo.

507
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: I look on Zilla too, but it's more just to

508
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 1: like be very depressed. Well we'll move on. I mean

509
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: it's it's not great in our neighborhood either. I mean

510
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Speaker 1: I if we put our house on the market, I

511
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: suspect it would take a long time to sell, just

512
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: because there's not a whole lot of movement in this area. Obviously,

513
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: we'd be able to buy something very quickly if we

514
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Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, because there's a stock of houses.

515
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: But I don't like the stock of houses that's available

516
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: on the market, Like there's not something that is big

517
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: enough but not ridiculous, and that wouldn't also still need

518
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Speaker 1: a bunch of work. I mean, there are some rather large,

519
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: older houses that you would then have to put a

520
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: ton of work into and given all the pain in

521
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: the butt that even you wouldn't want to. You're kind

522
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: of stuck with your district because you probably want to

523
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: keep the big kids on. Yeah, I'd like to keep

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Speaker 1: them in there. So we're stuck with this district. So

525
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: there's only a certain number of houses. So I would

526
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: like to stay in ours because I like ours and

527
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: I've put a ton of time and effort into rental.

528
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: Could you do an addition? Is there any space Dame

529
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: at all? I don't think I feel like we shouldn't

530
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: have to, you know, I mean, it's not a small house,

531
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Speaker 1: it's just the way that it's configured is not. Is

532
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: there any configuration? Then that's what I'm thinking we may

533
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: need to do, is just consult with a designer and

534
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: architect and see if there's something. I mean, once you

535
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: think about like realtor's fees and buying and selling, like

536
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: there's it almost might be more cost effective and then

537
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: you can get exactly what you want, because you're right,

538
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: it's not like you need more square footage. You just

539
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: may need an extra Yeah. And partly it's that we

540
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Speaker 1: were trying to have both Michael and me have an office.

541
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Speaker 1: He he needs someplace he can work. But now that

542
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: he's I mean he's the head of his location, he

543
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: has to go into the office on Fridays anyway, So

544
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't like he is working at home during the

545
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: day per se. But it's nice to have a spot

546
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: where he can work at home. But we could put

547
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: that in somewhere more out of the way. We can

548
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: use that bedroom as a combo like guest bedroom slash.

549
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: You need a separate little cottage office cottage I've seen.

550
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: It's serious, like a little building on your property that

551
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: just has like offices, and then you could have a

552
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: quiet podcast It's true, a quiet podcast space in case

553
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: anyone's working in the house. Yeah. I don't know. I mean,

554
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: we're going to have to figure it out. The good

555
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: news is I know that I don't actually have to

556
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: figure it out in the next few months, and baby

557
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: can just even years. I mean babies don't He can

558
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: be in a bassinet for the first three four months

559
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: and then we can figure it out. And so that

560
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: really gives us another eight nine months before we absolutely

561
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: have to make a decision on this, like are we moving,

562
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: are we redoing stuff? Because currently you have you have

563
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: two three, three rooms and four kids. Yeah, so I see, yeah, yep,

564
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: we can. We can update to keep you updated. And

565
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: our car situation is also not going to need to

566
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Speaker 1: change that. Oh good, aren e. Van does seat five,

567
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: although the kids were whining about going to have to

568
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: sit three across in the back. We rented in California

569
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Speaker 1: Chevy suburban and it seemed like the back seat was

570
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: a little bit nicer, so that may wind up being

571
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Speaker 1: the next one. Cool. Well, I wanted to mention some

572
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: of these listener baby tips before we move on to

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Speaker 1: our question. Kay, So first I'm just going to give

574
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Speaker 1: a list of products that people were like all over.

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Speaker 1: Number one, the snow we had. I think three people

576
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: mentioned this, What is this snow? I don't even know

577
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: what it's this like fancy so I think it's the

578
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: guy who did, oh my gosh, what's that really, Doctor

579
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: Harvey Karp, the like baby baby guy. Okay, he partnered

580
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: with some tech company to create the snow, which is

581
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: this very fancy bascinette basically that like moves and I

582
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: guess this sort of to make the baby feel very

583
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Speaker 1: snuggled in there, et cetera. It is quite expensive. The

584
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: product that I used on all three of my children

585
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: is now discontinued and dangerous, and it probably gave them

586
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: all flatheads and made me spend two Q on a

587
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: helmet for my third child. So maybe I should have

588
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: had a snow instead. So the snow that's the new

589
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Fanglet'm sure if I Google search on it, it'll be

590
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: on Instagram for like the next three months that I'll

591
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: get out for it. They love Instagram. Yes, Actually, we

592
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: had a very cute basinet that we didn't use, called

593
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: the Guava Family, which was it's a great folding crib too.

594
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: You'll probably get ads for that too. That was not

595
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: on the list. Okay. The rest of the things on

596
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: the list Merlin's sleep suit, which I've also seen before,

597
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: which is great for those sleep training days when the

598
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: baby will startle themselves awake and this prevents that. The

599
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: Miracle blanket, it's a straight jacket, Like what is it?

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00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: It is? No, it's like it looks like it turns

601
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: your baby into the abominable Snowman. So my concern is like,

602
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: like you like literally the baby looks like this giant

603
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: stuffed thing and they really can't move. But like if

604
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: you're in South Florida. I'm just that seems a little warm.

605
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: It looks overheat ish, so because we would use like

606
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: Halo swaddles, but they make a nice, very meshy fabric

607
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: even if it was tight, so you know your mileage.

608
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: Mayberry people mentioned the Duna car seat, which actually looks

609
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: really cool because it's you know, like you know, the

610
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: old school, like Chico. They fit into that snap and

611
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: go which is very convenient. Well, this the Duna like

612
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: the wheels like how I'm gesturing and this is a podcast,

613
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: but the wheels fold up underneath, so it looks like

614
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a snap and go all in

615
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: one and you could like pull it out of the

616
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Speaker 1: car and go like oh, and then the wheels it

617
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 1: would just kind of come down. But it does make

618
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Speaker 1: me wonder if it's extremely heavy. It looks cool, so

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Speaker 1: I would check that one out. The Duna people really

620
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: like the kii ND bottle and pumping system, which I

621
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: think basically saves you from having to wash as many

622
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: bottles and pump parts. I'm not totally clear it looks,

623
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: but it looks fancy, new fangled, so you may want

624
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: to check that out with your pump supplies the two

625
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: pumps we already mentioned, the Willow and the lv You know,

626
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: the Specter was kind of like the twenty sixteen, twenty

627
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: seventine pump, and that's the one I used, and I

628
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: liked it. That one's covered by insurance. The Willow and

629
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: LBE are much more expensive, so depending if you just

630
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Speaker 1: want that traditional pump, I feel like the Specter has

631
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Speaker 1: kind of like overtaken the Medella as the popular traditional pump.

632
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Speaker 1: Somebody mentioned using depends for those postpartum days. Okay, personally,

633
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Speaker 1: I just like that mesh underwear. That's underwear and just

634
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: throw that in the garden pads and then normal giant, yeah,

635
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: giant stack of pads. Lovely tons of burp cloths. I

636
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Speaker 1: agree with that. I love burp cloths, like just those

637
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: like nice like cotton, plain ones, a good sound machine

638
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: you probably already have, and then a slightly controversial one,

639
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Speaker 1: the outlet, which is like a baby breathing monitor, and

640
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Speaker 1: I kind of give that the side. I'm like, unless

641
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: your baby is a high risk baby, I guess I

642
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: just yeah, but someone's gonna say that their baby would

643
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: have died said without it, I don't want so but

644
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: there's still like babies usually breathe. I think we're all

645
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: this stuff is a little bit over braes breathe usually. Yeah,

646
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: so I wasn't a fan. I mean I am like

647
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: in the minority. We never even had a video baby monitor. Yeah,

648
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: we just had the sound one and figured, like you know,

649
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: we did keep each baby in the room for at

650
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: least a good six months. I feel like we moved

651
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: them out after that, so that was more for convenience.

652
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: And there are some AAP recommendations, although again you know

653
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Speaker 1: that's controversial too because really, if you don't have a

654
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: lot of sid's risk factors, the odds are quite low.

655
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: They're never zero, but they're never zero for anyone, whether

656
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: the baby's in the room or not. So so yeah,

657
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: that was pretty much the list of products, and then

658
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: there were some lists of kind of tips. Some people

659
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: said night nanny, so they're on your page with that.

660
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: Tell the people who offer to bring you food to

661
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: come bring you breakfast. That's interesting. I would I think

662
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: i'd want like a late breakfast because I feel like

663
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: when I had the baby, that was like that's like

664
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Speaker 1: the time that I sleep the latest of anything, because

665
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: I'll sleep until that last sleep cycle, grocery delivery. Yes, quote,

666
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: as soon as the baby falls asleep, do the one

667
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: thing you need to do to make you feel like

668
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: a person forget about all else. I like that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I kind of agree with that. For me, that's either

670
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: like workout or like writing a blog poster, like something

671
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: like not you know, sweeping the floor, something that just

672
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: makes you feel like you're getting dressed, for example. And

673
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: then I will throw out my own personal tip. If

674
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: you work in a traditional office, consider a mini fridge.

675
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: That was so awesome to have with Genevieve because I

676
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: didn't have to like walk anywhere. I just pumped in

677
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: my office and then threw the stuff in my own

678
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: fridge and closed my door, and it just negated any

679
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: walking around that would have been necessary and annoying. So yeah, no,

680
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: that's I mean, my home office is ten feet from

681
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: my real fridge, so it's not really an issue. Although

682
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: I usually pumped up in the upstairs in my bathroom,

683
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: so my rhythm tended to be and people say, well,

684
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: why are you even pumping if you have, you know,

685
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: the baby with you, which is more that if little

686
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: pro tip here from somebody who's nursed for babies and

687
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: plans to. A fifth is if you set your baseline

688
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: higher than you actually need for the baby. When your

689
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: milk comes in the amount your body producers comes in

690
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: with all, it comes in with a vengeance first, and

691
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: you can try to keep which is one of the

692
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: funny questions. Like I remember I was talking with the

693
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: nurse at the hospital after I had my first baby,

694
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, how well I know when it

695
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: comes in? She's like, oh, you'll know, which is true.

696
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: And you wake up and you have coconuts on your

697
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: like boulders, where's on your chest? But anyway, if you

698
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 1: start pumping immediately after that happens, and pump an extra

699
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: bottle or two a day, that's where your baseline production

700
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: will be set. And so then you have wiggle room,

701
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: Like if you miss a feeding, you may lose some capacity,

702
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: but you are pumping twelve extra ounces a day versus

703
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: what you need, so you are fine. Like it can

704
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: go down over the next few months and still be

705
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: more than enough for the baby, and then that helps

706
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: you build up a stash. Now that it does, of

707
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: course require you to pump in addition to nursing. And

708
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: I found that I produced the most milk in the morning,

709
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: so I would wake up and pump first thing, Pump

710
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: you know, a couple ounces after a while and after

711
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: the first few days, and then just go feed the

712
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: baby after that. So and I did that too. I

713
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: don't know that my baseline was as easily moved, but

714
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: I will say, yeah, it did it. It was enough

715
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: to cumulate a stash and grow some chunky babies. And

716
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: and then the hard part is if you do go

717
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: back to work and have to pump for most of

718
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: the day, sometimes your body is not going to respond

719
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: as well, and so you don't. It's hard to keep

720
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: that margin going. But I could see if you work

721
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: from home and you're really mostly like breastfeeding and pumping,

722
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: that that would be like a great way to just

723
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: kind of to keep it up. Try not to then

724
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: you have that night bottle and you don't have to

725
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: be worded to try not to move too loudly. Yeah,

726
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: all right, let's do let's do our listener question. Yes, okay,

727
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: I will read it because this is this was so

728
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: timely because it came in and this person did not

729
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: know that you were pregnant. But I was like, ooh,

730
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: how perfect anyway, she writes, I'm about three months pregnant

731
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: with baby number three, and it's my first time having

732
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: a baby while working for myself. I own hr consulting

733
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: practice that has been really growing in the past year.

734
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm happier than ever working for myself and having the

735
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: mix of flexibility and fulfilling work. That said, I'm so

736
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: nervous to tell my clients. I'm coming up with a

737
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: coverage plan, of course, but I'm nervous about how this

738
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: works as a consultant. I don't want to lose these clients,

739
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: and I'm also tempted to just power through on my own.

740
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: Don't newborn sleep all the time? But I don't want

741
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: to kill myself either. We have a wonderful nanny, and

742
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: I know I'll continue with some work in the early days,

743
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: but want to be conscious about balancing all these things.

744
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: Any tips on how to navigate a maternity leave while

745
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: consulting or working for myself. Yeah, well, I'm about to

746
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: do the same thing. So what I can say is

747
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: that it won't look like a traditional maternity leave. If

748
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: you were a full time employee somewhere, you might have

749
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: let's say twelve to fourteen weeks off that you were

750
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: mostly off and that you would be expected to be

751
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: home then versus back in the office after it was done.

752
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: For me, it's been that you probably won't get a

753
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: whole lot done in the first week or two, so

754
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: you sort of need to plan for that. But after

755
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: that you can definitely start working at say, you know,

756
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: twenty five percent capacity, like you're doing one to two

757
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: hours a day. Yes, newborns do sleep a lot, and

758
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: part of the reason for maternity leaves is sort you

759
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: can then establish breastfeeding when you're at home with your baby.

760
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: But if you're working at home with your baby, like

761
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got time, like you can just send

762
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: emails or read something. I found it was a little

763
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: bit more difficult to meet time specific commitments. So I

764
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: tried not to schedule a whole lot of phone calls,

765
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: for instance, or say a webinar that required me to

766
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: be online and looking decent and rested at a certain time,

767
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: because that was going to be harder to do. But

768
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: if somebody said, like, could you do this in the

769
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: next forty eight seventy two like that, I definitely could do.

770
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: You know, you probably want to manage the pipeline a

771
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, talking to your clients, you might

772
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: say yes to a project even if you know you're

773
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: only a couple weeks out, because you know it'll take

774
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: six weeks for them to approve it, so you know

775
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: that's further in the future, and so you can manage

776
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: the pipeline that way. I have for speaking, I'm trying

777
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: to not travel out of Philadelphia between sort of mid

778
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: December to mid April, and that I think will be

779
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: dual because it corresponds with the time that nobody has

780
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: their conferences. Anyway, Well, March is, March is busy, So

781
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm giving up March, which is you know, that's the

782
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: reality you'll have next next March. That's what I tell

783
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: everyone who asks. I'm like, I can't for family reasons

784
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: this March. But if you're looking for speakers for twenty

785
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: twenty one, I'm available, and that's what my agent is

786
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: telling people too, and then I can be back after that.

787
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: I think after April will be fine. So yeah, it's

788
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, if you're good at what you do, like

789
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: clients aren't going to go anywhere if they do. That's

790
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: sort of weird because like three months is actually not

791
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: that long. Oh, my gosh, it goes to frand it

792
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: really thinks it's like you plan it and it seems

793
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: like this big thing and then once it happens, like

794
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, because I've one of my coworkers was out

795
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: and it was like, wait, that was three months like that.

796
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: It really from an outsider's perspective, I think it goes

797
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: so much faster than you're thinking. So I agree with Laura,

798
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: like if you kind of at least keep a foot

799
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: in it, but nothing. Yeah, and the good thing I'm

800
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: working for yourself that you can manage it after those

801
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: three months too, Like if you want to sort of

802
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: keep yourself at maybe fifty to seventy five percent capacity

803
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: for heck, the next six months after that, that's something

804
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: you can probably manage. You know, feel free to tell

805
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: people I'd love to do this. I think we need

806
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: to push that one forward a little bit. You probably

807
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: won't be reaching out to as many new clients in

808
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: the next couple of months just because of the reality

809
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: of being busy and not wanting to sign a huge

810
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: contract that would start the day after your baby's born.

811
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: So there's some natural less of it. So, yes, it

812
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: is a hit, and this is always you know, gets

813
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: at my ego a little bit, like I've always earned

814
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: less the years that I've had a baby because I'm

815
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: working less. I mean, this is just reality. But on

816
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: the other hand, so we did have that amazing podcast

817
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: our guest Helen who the most had her best year,

818
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: so that other people may have a different experience, and

819
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: maybe this will give you time to think about raising

820
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: your rates, Like you know, I'm if you want me back,

821
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: you're you're going to have to pay for it, so

822
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: you can start a bidding bitting now every So, yeah,

823
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: I think it's it's actually great as a self employed person, Like,

824
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: if you want time completely off, that's going to be

825
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: harder to do. But if you are willing to do

826
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of work, you can totally maintain the

827
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: business and actually go for quite a while while still

828
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: breastfeeding and spending a lot of time with your baby.

829
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: Too cool. All right, Well, we hope that empowers that

830
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: listener and we'll maybe she'll send us an update on

831
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: how it goes. So our love of the week mine

832
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: is the Aaron Condrin whiteboards that I ordered. Actually you

833
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: can almost see them. I know you guys can see,

834
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: but Laura, I'm going to show you this is this

835
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: is multimedia. All right. Well, wow, she's taking her headphones off,

836
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: so I don't even know if anyone's gonna be able

837
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: to hear what she's about to tell us. Okay, she

838
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: is showing me a white it's a lovely check off.

839
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: Oh cool, there was a whiteboard, and the other one

840
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: is a calendar. And my kids freaking they're not up

841
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: on the wall yet, but they love these things. So

842
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to call them a big win. I customize them,

843
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: it says, younger kids get it done on one of them,

844
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: and then they are spaces for Annabel and spaces for Cameron,

845
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: and then they like certain chores or like their homework

846
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: or cleaning up are all on there, and then they

847
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: get to make check marks. And then Annabel actually on

848
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: her own, came up with this system where we said, well,

849
00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: if you do all your tech marks, you get a

850
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: smiley face. And she created all these coupons and then

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Speaker 1: she asked me to come up with numerical values for like, So,

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Speaker 1: for example, one coupon is like get new art supplies,

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Speaker 1: and I decided that was nine smiley faces, and one

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Speaker 1: of them was like get ice cream, and that was fifteen,

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Speaker 1: so like they were all I get to I got

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Speaker 1: to valuate them. She made this little coupon holder organize

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Speaker 1: them by value, like completely on her own. It's very impressive,

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Speaker 1: and they are highly motivated. Now this is like a

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Speaker 1: week in and I'm sure some of the excitement will

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Speaker 1: wear off, but right now I am like extremely excited

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Speaker 1: about this new that's awesome. So if you have kids

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Speaker 1: for whom this system works, that's that's awesome. If anyone

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Speaker 1: else is listening to this and have children who would

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Speaker 1: like flush the coupons down the toilet, that's just a

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Speaker 1: different temperament. And children are who they are, so little rebels.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that might have been Cameron's instinct. But

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Speaker 1: because Annabelle is leaving the charge, he is, he's following

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Speaker 1: if somebody made it. I got to say, if somebody

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Speaker 1: made a check mark boxes for me, I would be

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Speaker 1: very tempted to throw the whiteboard out the windows. Really,

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Speaker 1: you're an upholder, Laura, that is. I love check I'm

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Speaker 1: usually like other people's checkbox. It's so funny. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. My love and your love is my

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Speaker 1: school account dot com. So our district works with them

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Speaker 1: and I know a lot of other districts do too.

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Speaker 1: It's just a very easy system to put in lunch

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Speaker 1: money for the kids. So you, you know, transfer money

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Speaker 1: from your bank account. You can see the rate at

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Speaker 1: which your children are spending the money. You can see

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Speaker 1: what they're buying if it's not the regular lunch, you

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Speaker 1: could see any extras that they are picking up. I've

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Speaker 1: been pondering why one of my children goes through the

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Speaker 1: lunch money so much quicker than the others. Still trying

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Speaker 1: to figure this out. Fascinating. It's fascinating because it didn't

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Speaker 1: seem like there was so many. Friend, I think he's

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Speaker 1: like doing like a robin hood. That could be he's

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Speaker 1: buying like a snack for someone else around around roothing.

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Speaker 1: But but it's just so easy, and I feel like

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Speaker 1: if I were trying to send in money with them,

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Speaker 1: this would be disastrous in terms of getting lost daily.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, big fan of that. All right, Well, this

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Speaker 1: has been best of both worlds. This has been Episode

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Speaker 1: one thirteen. We've been mostly talking baby stuff. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back next week with more on making work and life

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Speaker 1: fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah

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Speaker 1: at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, and you can find me Laura at Laura

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Speaker 1: vandercam dot com. This has been the best of both

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Speaker 1: worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for more on

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Speaker 1: making work and life work together.