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Speaker 1: Can we address the lavender elephant in the room. It's

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Speaker 1: one more thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm one more thing, but first, and I should have

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Speaker 2: dung into this more.

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Speaker 3: I was hoping there's more information.

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Speaker 2: But during the show we were talking about the ultra

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Speaker 2: rich now have these unbelievably lavish security systems in their

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Speaker 2: homes and safe rooms and army corps of engineer grade

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Speaker 2: filtration systems for their safe rooms. And the one guy

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Speaker 2: who had eight swimming pools, I think he had the

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Speaker 2: moat or was no, it was the other guy like

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Speaker 2: in Scottsdale, who had spiky orange trees, steel gates, a moat,

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Speaker 2: and in a two thousand pound front door with I

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Speaker 2: believe it was thirteen dead bolts.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're like under.

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Speaker 2: Siege if you're that well equipped, or I guess you

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Speaker 2: have so much.

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Speaker 3: Money it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: But oh you're I think it matters. I think it

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Speaker 1: makes you paranoid, A paranoid lunatic. You have a two

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Speaker 1: ton door unless unless you're Maduro, who are you protecting

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Speaker 3: And it didn't do him much good.

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Speaker 2: But the other aspect of it that I came across,

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Speaker 2: and I should have dug more into this but maybe

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Speaker 2: it will is uh, sooner or later. You gotta leave

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Speaker 2: your fortress, right, So what are you driving?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: I suggest a Arkansas company that retrofits land rover defenders

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Speaker 2: with electrified door handles. Yes, so somebody tries to carjack

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Speaker 2: he or whatever you zapple God, I want that right right.

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Speaker 2: Steel panels and side view mirrors that shoot pepper spray.

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Speaker 1: I want all those things.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Let's see, Oh, Helderberg, there it is there. Bellatrick model

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Speaker 2: which starts the stripped down version is six hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty eight grand. Also has a smoke screen function to

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Speaker 2: obscure the vehicles. Whereabouts if you need to get lost

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Speaker 3: James Bob, Yeah or bow.

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Speaker 2: So your base price is six hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars. That's a house some places, most places, most places? Uh,

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Speaker 2: helder Berg, Bella Tricks and after Bellatrix Las Strange from

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Speaker 1: But again, unless girl or a rapper, I don't understand

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Speaker 1: why you need that. What are you picturing happening in

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Speaker 1: the world?

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Speaker 2: Socialist Venezuelan rappers definitely need this.

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Speaker 3: Wow, what's THEX mileage?

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Speaker 1: How's the stereo?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's crazy. Oh you got a vast

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Speaker 2: By the way, I mean, you don't want to spend

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Speaker 1: Your choices are white and blue. Come on, yeah, week,

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Speaker 1: So this is not new ground that I'm wanting to

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Speaker 1: tread upon. It's actually tired conversation. But it struck me

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Speaker 1: anew on Friday night as watching the quad fraud fall

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Speaker 1: But leading up to that, I ended up watching a

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Speaker 1: Who's the dudeho does commentary?

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Speaker 2: Johnny Weird Johnny Weir who formerly known as Johnny Weird

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Speaker 2: by some folks now.

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Speaker 1: And my son had a different rhyming name for that

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Speaker 3: So, how did it culturally?

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Speaker 1: How did it come to be that they're some of

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Speaker 1: All that stuff and flamboyant.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's got to be a cultural thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, because the rewards are awesome.

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Speaker 1: it's never been discussed? And I don't mean it in

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's is it that although lots of men

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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah, absolutely after me.

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Speaker 1: So, I was watching some of the competitors from other

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Speaker 3: What is this? How did this happen culturally?

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Speaker 2: Was there some great innovator or two that were maybe

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Speaker 2: it was Johnny wear himself flamboyant and very girlish, yet athletic,

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Speaker 2: and all the effeminate boys of America.

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Speaker 2: I mean because it's virtually well is that true? As

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Speaker 3: Gay fellows. I mean, it app here to be.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they're gay, but they're very flamboyant, effeminate.

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Speaker 3: Flamboyantly effeminate. Yeah, why don't I just say that? And

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a certain body type excels at figure skating.

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Speaker 3: Would that body type is more commonly seen among I don't.

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Speaker 2: There's there is an explanation for it, whether it's cultural, physical,

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Speaker 1: Do you have any guests on this skatie.

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Speaker 3: The you also prefer the company of men?

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Speaker 1: Well, they say they are. Okay, See they the efeminine

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Speaker 3: And I'd go.

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Speaker 4: Because I've also known people who are gay that were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well I actually don't care about the sexuality

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Speaker 1: Is very popular among men's figure skating, and I just

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Speaker 1: wondered how come it's never been addressed, and again not

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Speaker 3: How did this happen? Why?

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Speaker 1: And would it be okay? If you're like a you're

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Speaker 1: Would people talk about you behind your back? Would it

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Speaker 2: Well in your skating, UNI was just like some really

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Speaker 1: Yes, it seems to be very popular.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how come this hasn't been discussed more. I

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, it's it's the same thing as anything

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Speaker 3: It seems silly to me.

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Speaker 2: Again, my respect for you know, whether it's Iliammelanin or

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Speaker 2: I have nothing but admiration for them. The incredible hard

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. So why are you all dressed like fairy princesses?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's illegitimate or hateful because I don't

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Speaker 1: I'd be happy to give you the list you do

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Speaker 2: Well? I play enough golf to know that your young

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Speaker 2: golf studs, not tour guys, but young studs. They wear tight,

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Speaker 3: You could just like that and.

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Speaker 2: Figure skate, sure, but you never see anybody dressed as

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Speaker 3: It's always a fairy prince.

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Speaker 1: The whole clutching a teddy bear, lower lip quivering, waiting

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Speaker 3: Ski racers don't do that.

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Speaker 1: No, exactly.

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Speaker 3: All kinds of gay, straight or whatever, it's.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a they're professional dancers with astonishing levels of

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Speaker 1: And lots of eyeliner and glitter.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was going to leave that out for the moment, but.

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Speaker 2: I would say the cliche that gay men in general

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Speaker 3: It probably exists for a reason.

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Speaker 1: But again, why doesn't it apply to like gymnastics.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I honestly don't. There might be a

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Speaker 2: lot of gay gymnasts. They all just dress in the

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Speaker 2: same uni, so you don't know.

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Speaker 1: Well, they don't put glitter on their faces.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they want to. But again that gets to the

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Speaker 3: question of a cultural norm. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: I didn't watched that much You're skating in a long time,

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Speaker 1: similar hairstyles, amount of glitter and makeup and lower lip quivering,

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Speaker 1: holding teddy bears. I mean, now a boy, the quivering

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Speaker 1: and the teddy bear really bothered you. Well, it was

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Speaker 3: Who do you know who?

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Speaker 1: Name the twenty two year old man you know who

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Speaker 1: holds a teddy bear with their lower lip quivering.

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Speaker 3: I just can't help you, really, no, no.

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Speaker 2: So a second ago, I almost used the term athleticism,

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Speaker 2: I don't hate it as much as I hate a

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Speaker 2: meaningless word. You will hear fifty times watching football fifty

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Speaker 2: to define it.

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Speaker 3: For me, it is a.

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Speaker 2: Meaningless effing word used by lunkhead sports announcers. That word

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Speaker 2: is downhill when he gets the ball and really runs downhill.

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Speaker 2: Tell you it's tough to stop all downhill to the hoop?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean straight ahead? We have words for

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Speaker 2: that already. You don't need to invent terms to make

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Speaker 2: yourself sound smart. All right, somebody can define the word

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Speaker 2: downhill in sports. Please feel free.

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Speaker 1: Boy, uh finish with this. NBC. They really got put

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Speaker 1: eyeballs for Quad God's skate on Friday Night, and they

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Speaker 1: his history and how he's the best ever and just I.

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Speaker 3: Mean just interviewing childhood friends.

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Speaker 1: The build up was tremendous. And then like immediately he

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Should we go ahead and run it? And one I

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Speaker 3: don't know, No, no, we're not gonna run it.

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Speaker 1: Sorry about that, whole is just a different sort of

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Speaker 1: So anyway, but as.

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Speaker 2: We discussed, he completely manned up afterwards, said, hey, I choked,

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Speaker 2: I got nervous.

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Speaker 3: It was just crazy. I can't believe it happened. But

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Speaker 3: that's all on me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I bet it was the nickname. There's just

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Speaker 1: too much pressure. Well, just all of a sudden, oh

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Speaker 1: quad God, I'd never thought about that before.

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Speaker 3: God. Yeah, I'm comparing myself to a god.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the hubrisk, What have I done.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot like when the Summer Olympics were

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Speaker 3: She was not really a breakdancer, but she was a

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Speaker 3: just art. She was a performance artist.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's it.