WEBVTT - Kevin Rahm 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.880 I owe you the biggest apology. I was so unbelievably 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.200 condescending to you that day. I'm sure of it. I'm 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.280 sure that I don't remember exactly you told me. You 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:11.799 sold me. I just shot a pilot. I'm like, oh, 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.520 good for you, we just met. Oh good for congratulations. Man. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.239 What's the pilot? It's the American version of the Office 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:23.280 And I literally went, oh, you poor thing. The look 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:30.520 at my face is like, you dumb sat I am 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.879 Kevin Rom, and I am proud to say that I 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.800 am the second lead of the acclaimed short film moose Cock. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:46.400 Hello everybody, and welcome back to Yes Off the Beat. 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.360 I am, as always your host Brian baum Gartner, and 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:55.200 today's episode, well, I am very excited to welcome the 0:00:55.320 --> 0:01:00.120 amazing Kevin Rom into the studio. Kevin has been and 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.360 on some of the biggest shows of all time, from 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:09.520 Desperate Housewives to Mad Men to most recently, Madam's Secretary 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:15.120 and man does Kevin have range? On Desperate Housewives, he 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:19.400 played Lee McDermott for over sixty episodes and he got 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:24.039 in touch with his sillier side his words. On mad Men, 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.920 of course, he played Ted chaw a k A rival 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:32.480 to the one and only Don Draper. Truly, guys, Kevin 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.080 is he is one of the best in the business, 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.560 and so today I'm excited to deep dive into his career, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:46.160 from his lgbt Q representation on Desperate Housewives to what 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:50.240 it means to be part of mad Men's lasting legacy, 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.200 and of course, as you heard in his open, we 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.240 will also talk about his biggest accomplishment to date, working 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:02.600 with me, Brian and Bam Gartner for our acclaimed short 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:07.920 film Moosecock. Yes you did hear that right, Moosecock? I know, 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.280 I know, with all the moose Cock swirling in your brains, 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.239 the suspense must be killing you. So here he is now, 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:25.280 Kevin rom Bubble and Squeak. I love it. Bubble and 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:32.200 Squeak on Bubble and Squeaker cookie every month left over 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:49.919 from the Nabby people. What's up, Brian? How you doing, buddy, Kevin? 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.040 I'm so happy to see you. What is going on, 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.360 my friend? It's a lot and nothing and a lot, 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.360 and it's been forever. It has been forever. It's great 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.840 to see you. I am delighted every time I see 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.840 you on TV. That's all. There's something about seeing somebody 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.320 who you worked with so early on, and you're like, 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:15.160 yes every time, every time, just excited, excited, uh, looking 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.160 forward to yeah, all the good things. It's funny that 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.560 there came around the time that we met, it stopped 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.880 being a competition between other actors for me personally, Like 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.000 I I got to the point of my career where 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.800 if they were gonna cast me, it's like putting nutmeg 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.440 in and if they're gonna cast you, it's like putting 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.640 a little more spicy something. And so it didn't feel 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:37.760 like a competition. If like they're going to choose the 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.400 best spice for the soup, and these are my comrades 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.440 in arms, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's really 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:48.880 an interesting point, right, Like they the proverbial, they are 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:53.640 not choosing someone better, They're just choosing someone different ideally. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.760 I mean, look, look, I've I've shot the bed in 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.560 many auditions, so like there are times when they chose 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.360 someone better because I was of all. But when it 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.560 comes down to it, if you're if you're right for 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.040 the role, and you're you're what you're around, what they're 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.440 looking for, and you know there's another guy who's different 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.160 than you, and you know like I I read I 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:18.200 tested for, according to Jim, to be the brother in law. Okay, 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.360 have you seen according to Jim, I've seen according to Jim. Yes, 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.040 we we are. We are different. We are completely different 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.480 human beings. And and like I walked into the screen 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:27.960 test and I was like, Okay, so it's either him 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.440 or me. There's no there's no in between. Like They're 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.359 gonna go one way or the other, and I'm gonna 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.680 give my best version of it in this testing situation. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.000 That's so awkward anyway, and then they're gonna they're gonna choose. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:40.920 But I didn't take it. You know, it still sucks, 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.599 But um, you can acknowledge that it was a different 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.359 they were. They were making a different soup than what 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:50.359 I was bringing to the two. Yes, but you but yes. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.120 But so at around the time we met, you started 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.800 being able to be happy for other people or other 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.440 people you have, Matt. Yeah, before before that, it was 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.680 a competition. You know, there was a pie. There was 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.400 only so many slices, you know that metaphor. And around 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.120 the time that we met, I started to get in 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:06.440 a place where I was like, you know, there's room 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.680 for there's place for everybody. To do well. Right, all right, 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.320 we're gonna talk about our meeting here very shortly, but 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.400 I want to I want to go back to your 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.320 childhood for just a little bit. You grew up in 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:22.400 Texas As, Louisiana, Louisiana and Texas. Born in Texas, raised 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.440 in Louisiana, finished high school in Texas. Okay, but you 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:32.640 also were in Atlanta, because you know, I was in Atlanta, Atlanta, Texas, Atlanta, Texas. Yes, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:37.200 Atlanta high School in a clean city in Texas to 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.880 very soon. I think they were the running rabbits, and 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.360 I think there were I want to say, eight thousand 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:49.640 people in the towne tiny little town. That makes sense 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.599 that I haven't heard of it. And also I was 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.839 going to ask you Atlanta high School I wasn't familiar with. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.880 Was born and bred there. Um the running rabbits that 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.000 suits you. Actually you are, You're kind of like a rabbit. 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:08.400 I feel like quick, just used to be quick, yeah, shifty? 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:12.919 Maybe did you do sports in high school or early 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.839 on or early on? And then like eighth grade, I 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.359 just like I was playing football. I just located and 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.080 I was never gonna be a football player. Let's let's 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:21.760 be real clear I was. I was five ft on 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:25.320 my freshman year, um five to my sophomore year, and 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.200 I didn't grow until much later in high school. So 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:33.159 I I quickly went into to debate and spiting debate, 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.520 which led me to theater in a weird way. And 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.880 then um I did. I did cheerleading for one year 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.440 at at an all boys Catholic school, all all boys. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.640 I was about to ask if you you were small, 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.520 if you were if you were strong enough to to 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:52.120 lift people up, but apparently you were lifted. Well, that's 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.280 very funny you to think that. And I can see that, 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:56.719 and and uh, and I think in retrospect, I probably 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.080 should have been the one being lifted. We had an 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.440 all girls sister school, well and they are girl cheerleaders 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:05.239 came from them, and so but Leah Leah Leah Hudson, 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.600 who's who's still friends of mine, was my cheerleading partner. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.840 And we were definitely the weakest links like we were. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.600 We were the bottom. But they needed eight couples and 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.040 they're like we they had seven, and they're like, okay, 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.720 well let Leah Kevin, come on, I guess we need eight. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.120 Let's go. We were we were not very good and 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.040 we had a lot of fun. Though. Wow, I'm sure, 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.520 But now, wait a second. Isn't the point of an 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.320 all boys school to keep the boys and girls separate 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:39.680 yet lifting and cohording physically, I don't understand. Look, I 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.520 made a very smart decision. I could either have gone 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.480 to two days in the summer and be around a 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:49.160 bunch of sweaty, sweaty men smelling, with no chance of 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.160 ever playing the game because I was the third string. 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:56.840 Or I could go to cheerleading camp where there were 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:02.920 ten guys and four hundred girls. Right. I mean to 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.840 be clear though, to be the weakest length on the 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.520 cheerleading squad, but at least you're playing. At least you're 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.200 at least I'm on the team. Man, I'm I. I 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.160 got a letter. I am suited up. Do you have 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:19.280 a letter? I got a letter? Yeah? Oh yeah, well no, 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.480 well it's not a jacket's a sweater. It's a sweater. 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.680 It's a letter sweater. They didn't give us. They would 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.520 they literally the football team was like, no, they can't 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:30.119 have jackets, they can have sweaters. All the jocks are like, no, 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:36.839 that's not cool. Okay, so you're cheerleading, but you really 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.320 start focusing on debate and that brings you to theater. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.439 So you you started doing plays? Yeah, so I you know, 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.920 debate was my thing. Man, I I love debate. I 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.439 thought I wanted to go to law school. My grandmother 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.080 said I could argue with a signpost, and so I 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.760 when I moved high schools. When I quit the school 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.920 in Streeport, Louisiana, always Catholic school, I went to a 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.559 public school in East Texas and they didn't have a theater, 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.440 they didn't have a debate program for they had a 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.840 huge drama program. So I got I got kind of 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.199 thrown into a drama class, and like I had done, 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.520 I did two Shakespeare plays my freshman and sophomore year, 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.240 not by choice because my big brother quote unquote for 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:13.800 the senior you have a senior as a freshman. He 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:15.480 was like, you're auditioning for the play. And I was like, no, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:16.839 I'm not. He goes, yeah, yeah you are, and I 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.000 was like okay. He was much bigger than I was, 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.360 and he bought my beer on the weekend, So I said, okay, 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.000 So I I did. I did. We did Julius Caesar 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:25.960 my freshman year and it was fun. You know, I 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:27.679 got the attention from the girls from the all girls 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.320 school that way as well. And and then when I 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.640 got to Atlanta, Texas, Yeah, they had a huge drama 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.880 program and I kind of just jumped in that. That's 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.040 where you you got the bug or you decided this 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.040 is what you wanted to do. Well, I definitely got 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.679 the bug. This is pre internet, this is pre you know. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.079 No one had from any of those towns had gone 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.320 on to make something of themselves in our industry, and 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.840 so there was never a thought to do it professionally. 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.319 It wasn't until I got to college and I thought, 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.520 I really enjoyed that in high school, maybe I should 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.440 try it in college. And I saw play. I saw 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.480 a two hander, Um, I can't think of anyw right now, 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.679 A guy girls show and it was really good and 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.840 the girl I fell in love with and she was amazing, 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.760 and um, Tally's Folly. That's the play I saw and 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:12.400 I was like, Wow, I should try that in college. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:16.079 And that's when that's when I jumped into the theater program. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:17.680 And that's when I was like, Okay, I'm gonna do this. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.320 I didn't know what I was gonna do, but I 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.880 was going to do this, and uh, and I died. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.640 He was going to play every semester and never looked 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.280 back from there doing a ton of THEA. So yeah, 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.199 similar to me, I found it like as an activity 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.480 to do. Yeah, that was what I was gonna do 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.679 in high school and right before college actually I decided, 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.440 oh I think I could actually do do this, and 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.920 so I went to school for it. It seems seems 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:42.559 like you were a little bit later. But this is 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.000 at b y U. Is that right? Where did you go? 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:49.320 Where did you go to college? Just study study theater SMU? Oh? Wow, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.000 they had a good program, didn't they. Yeah, they did, 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.120 thank you for I mean obviously, I see. He was 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:57.760 one of the programs that I thought about going to 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.719 grad school. Okay, I thought about because my intent when 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.160 I was in college, my intent was to go to 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.560 grad school, get the m f A, and then go 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:06.200 to New York. And that was that was my intent. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.520 And of course and like all, you know, all other 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.960 plans that changed. But um, that was the thought. You're 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:13.640 at b y U and you think you're going to 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.520 go to grad school. Uh, well, at the first two 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:18.120 years of b y U, the thought is I'm gonna 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:19.880 go to law school. Um, this is just for doing 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.839 the theater for fun. Um, gonna go to law school 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:24.880 because that's how, you know, that's how I move up 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.679 in the world. And then like I just got the bug, 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.440 and I staid. Then I started working and I started 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.000 loving it, and I was like, unbeknownst to me, I 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.280 created a grad program for myself just by being lazy 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.720 and not going to the other classes. And so four 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.920 years in, I'm like, Okay, I need another year of 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.040 education before I can graduate. And it's all general education, 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.319 Like I needed sophomore English, and I needed to religion 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.040 classes and I needed math. And my two best friends 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:51.760 were leaving college and I was like, I can't be 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.760 here anymore. I'm taking someone spot. I wasn't. I was 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:56.640 pretending to be Mormon at the time, you know. I 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:58.000 was like, I can't. I gotta get out of here. 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.400 This is not for me. Um. And by one of 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.360 my best friends went to a c T and grad 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.080 to grad school. My of the best friend went to 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.400 New York to be an actress. And I was like, 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.719 I'm already getting paid. I've already done. I'm sag eligible. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.520 I've done two movies of the week I've done Promised 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.280 Land and touched by an Angels guest stars. I'm moving 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.559 to l A. Let's go, Let's pack my eight Honda 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.440 Accord with one working headlight. Let's go to Los Angeles. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.240 And so you decide to go to Los Angeles. But wait, 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.400 I can't just you were pretending to be Mormon. What 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.599 I don't explain that Mormon. I grip Mormon. Okay, you 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.839 grew up, well, I grew up Mormon. I was baptized Mormon, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:36.640 and then I did a mission for two years to 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.920 nineteen to twenty one. I went knocked on doors in 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.640 Switzerland and France, on islands East South Africa and tried 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.480 to condunce where I heard yes, yeah, and then uh. 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:48.000 And then I would go to buy U, mainly because 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:49.720 I knew if I went anywhere else to my friends 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.400 from high school at I would leave. Woman is very quicker, 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.560 probably like all my friends were at l s U 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:59.160 and UT and and uh and m um. And I 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:00.800 was like, I can't go Eric, so I'll get in 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.000 trouble fast. And so I went to be by you, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.560 trying to be the good boy. And then within two 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.520 years I was like this is not for me. I 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.520 gotta get out of this, and I then you did. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.160 But you have to be doing the things to stay there, 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.120 Like you have to go to church, you have to 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.760 have a bishop sign a thing saying you're doing all 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.520 the things, and so you have to lie ultimately. Um 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.920 so I I just I was. I had to. You know, 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.200 I'd go to Salt Lake with my friends on Saturday 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.319 night and then I'd teach Sunday school on Sunday morning. 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.000 So that was That's what pretending to be Mormon means. Right. Okay, 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:35.880 So because you did the missionary trip, you're older. Yeah, right, 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:40.400 so you you started started at one, right, so that 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.280 makes sense like that, you know, you're you're thinking about 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.640 grad school. But at that point, you know, you start 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.480 to get experience, you start to get maturity. As you said, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.560 you start to get jobs. Now, when you worked on 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.040 Touch by an Angel? Was that filmed in Utah? Is 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.280 that how you promised? Land? And Touched by an Angel 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.560 were both shot in Salt Lake City, in and around 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.000 Salt Lake. Uh. And they always had like one movie 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.080 the week came through every year, a big movie would 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:05.280 come through every year. They had a they had a 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.800 decent you know, had a decent market in Salt Lake. 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.760 And then you know, there was a modeling agency in 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.520 salt Lake. CYS. This funny story. Actually Aaron eck Cart 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.360 was a year ahead of me at the way, and 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.520 he was a film student, not really in the acting tract, 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.360 you know, and and he was getting work as a mom. 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.120 He was with this modeling agency. And I was like, 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:25.680 if that guy can get work, I can get work. 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.640 And I went and got his agent because he would 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.640 be he was like the helicopter pilot and like you know, 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.160 he was like he would get these day jobs. They're 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.800 paying like five hundred bucks a day, and I'm like, 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.440 I can do that. That's better than delivering flowers on 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:37.680 the weekend, you know what I mean, Like, I'll go 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.600 do that. And uh so I literally went to Salt 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.520 Lake and got his agent and that's how I started. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:44.960 I was like, I started booking you know, blue local 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.680 commercials and radio spots and all that kind of stuff. 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.200 It was a hand model for one day once. Just 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.160 the left hand though, it's better than the right hand. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.360 Your left hand is more attractive than you're right. That's 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.080 that's that's what I was told. That's what I was 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:01.800 told by professionals. I'm just gonna leave that. I don't 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.160 I don't need to go deep into this, but I 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.040 will tell you a story about Salt Lake because you 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.800 say you went out in Salt Lake. Now now things 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.840 are different. Things are different now I understand. And I 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.160 have been back. And by the way, salt Lake City, 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:24.280 beautiful city, very nice, beautiful state. Utah. I love it now. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.840 I there was another show that filmed there that I 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.080 happened to do a couple of episodes on. I think 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:34.760 ever would film there in Utah. And I remember arriving. 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.800 This is such a tangent. I remember arriving on the 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:45.120 day of the National Championship Basketball tournament, right, so the 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.280 final four, but the championship day it's always a Monday. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.800 I check into the hotel and I'm like, where is 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.200 a bar? I want to watch the game. I'm a 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.800 sports fan. And they were like, okay, well it's down 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.920 And I remember walking down this highway. Walking down this highway, 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:04.040 it starts snowing and I get to a sports bar 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.760 just think Chili's, I don't know, and they asked me 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.480 for my membership number and I'm like, this is a 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.680 sports what do you and you had to have you 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.520 had to be registered in order to enter and established 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.200 join the private club. Yes, to join the private club 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.960 of Applebee's or whatever, like you literally had to join. 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.720 It's where the it's it's behind the ropes of Applebee's, 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.359 right like it's like the v I P of Applebee's. 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.040 And I was like, well can I yeah? No, No, 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.600 it was like two dollars. I was like, how much 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.080 is it to join? Two dollars? But I guess I'm 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.040 registered in the state of Utah for having him at 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.680 that one Applebee's just that one app it was. It 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.240 just not. It's like if you go if you go 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.119 down to a weaverer, it does not it's not transferred 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.680 to the not it's not transferable, no non transfer. So 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:59.920 my version of that is I met by U just 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.440 side I want a beer. I'm like, I'm done with Mormonism. 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:03.720 I just all I want is a beer. I haven't 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:05.560 had a beer in probably five or six seven years. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:09.000 And probably the hot beverage or a hot Toddy you 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.400 a hot beverage, yest um, those are just as bad. Obviously, 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.840 you know your Mormonism, you know your Word of wisdom. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.520 So uh, there's there was two bars in Provo. One 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.920 of them was called the ABC Bar dive a little 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.119 dive bar in downtown Provo, and the other one was 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.440 at the Marriott, which you could possibly run into someone. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.760 And so I figured, anyone who I run into with 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:29.520 the ABC Bar is not gonna knock on me, because 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:30.960 I'm not gonna ork on them. The joke is, if 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.400 you want to drink a beer, invite invite one Mormon over, 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.840 because if you invite you know, two Mormons over, they 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.480 won't drink, but one who don't drink your beer. Um, 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.359 So you go in. I go up to the door 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.320 and I have I'm poor college student, I have like 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.840 twenty dollars in my pocket. And I get to the 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:46.880 door and the door guy goes, are you a member? 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.880 And I think of the church, and I'm like um, 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.320 because I'm I I have the Mormon boy haircut, I'm 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.320 in Khaki's like I look like a Mormon missionary still, 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.439 and he goes, are you a member? And I went, um, no, 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.480 and he goes of the bar, you have to be 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.520 a member of the bar. And I'm from Louisiana where 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:06.199 at fourteen you could walk up to anywhere and did 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.520 give up here for free. And I was like, whatever, 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.400 kid here have a have a hurricane twelve year old 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.920 and so I'm like, I have to be a member. 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:16.320 I was so confused. I was like, get to be 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:17.960 a member of what? He was the bar? You have 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.080 to join the bar? And I said how much? And 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.680 he told me twenty bucks. And I had twenty bucks 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.800 in my pocket and that's if I pay them to join. 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:26.680 I can't afford to buy a drink, and so I 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.360 I go, I just kind of go, dude, I only 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.080 have twenty dollars. And he goes, well, someone can sponsor you. 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.920 And then he turns and he goes, anyone here, I 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.000 want to sponsor this kid. And there's like maybe ten people, 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.560 like a dartboard in the back and the jukebox and 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.359 it's like the record skips. Everyone turns and looks at 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:46.159 me and they all look me up and down, pause, 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:50.919 and then look away. Not one person, not one person 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.240 sponsored me. And I was like, oh my god, this 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:56.600 is awful. I just want okay, and I just I 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.040 I sunk my head and I went home. I did 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:04.600 not get a beer. That I did not get a beer. Well, 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.000 you had you had people, You had people even though 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.120 you thought there was nobody watching you, there were people 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.440 watching you. Oh yeah, yeah someone someone was watching the Lord. 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:34.879 The Lord was watching. Yes, the Lord was watching you. 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.400 Moved to Los Angeles and then what you you work 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.520 to get an agent and you start auditioning. Is this 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.720 this is how it goes. So I was I was 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.840 ahead of the game because you know, um, well, an 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.280 agent wouldn't see you at the time unless you were 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.600 eligible or already SAG. And you know, it's kind of 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.400 like you have to get a job to become SAG, 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:55.960 but no one would give you a job unless you 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.160 were SACK. It's one of those. And so the way 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.200 to get your SAG card is either to be come 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.320 an extra for multiple days where you had to become 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:03.440 friends with the A D s and they give you 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.080 a voucher and that takes a while. And the other 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:10.720 way is to get cast in something where they called 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.120 us staff heartley you know this, but the audiences don't 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.480 know what's called taff heart lead and they have to 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.760 pay a fine to hire you and say, there's no 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.040 one else you can do this job in town that's union. 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.560 So we're gonna make this kid eligible. And so I 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.760 did that in Utah. So I was ahead of the game. 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.600 But by being sag eligible, I had I had a 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:33.920 tape at the time, literally on tape, so I had, 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.919 I had, I had five minutes of me on camera 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:39.119