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Speaker 2: Oh did Yankee Stadium fuck him up last night?

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ Taylor said he was now, He said he

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Speaker 1: was so glad with Set one and two. Everyone's performance

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Speaker 1: met his expectations. Accept his own performance. It's what Yankee

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Speaker 3: We bounce back tonight though, Will you bounce back though tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm wondering.

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Speaker 3: You know, if the Yankees win tonight, I'll come in

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Speaker 3: with bells and whistles on tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Will yah?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: And if they lose, I'm going to get every Boston

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Speaker 1: fan I know to call in to zoom in.

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Speaker 3: Bob Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Bob Ryan's a staple tomorrow. Katie Nolan, Todd.

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Speaker 1: Mcshaw, who's gonna join us here in just a minute.

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Speaker 1: Why'd you make a face of Katie Nolan?

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 4: There? Just too much Boston for me, the whole, all

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Speaker 5: It's not Katie Nolan, it's not Bob Ryan, it's not

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Speaker 5: Tood mcsha it's all of them.

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Speaker 4: It's listen.

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Speaker 1: I will have Dan Shaughnessy zooming into this thing tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: You have no idea?

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Speaker 5: All right, no, because then I'll have to sit with

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Speaker 5: him for three hours while you take other podcasts. The

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Speaker 5: truth the true listeners know exactly what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: Jackie mcmallon, Oh, I'll have her on.

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Speaker 2: Who else Simmons? You want them on? McShay can help us.

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Speaker 5: Get Simmons listen, go big or go home, Get Aflac,

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Speaker 5: get Damon on this and then we'll and then I'll

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Speaker 2: How about Simmons? Yeah, that's good enough. All right, Well

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Speaker 2: last macshad to hook it up. McShay is going to

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Speaker 2: good media beef. I do.

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Speaker 1: I love and there is one brewing right it is

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Speaker 1: on the media beef. That Todd mcshae, who.

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Speaker 2: Was one of the nicest people I have met in

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Speaker 1: He's kind of like Taylor Verry, even keeled, Like you know,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Boone and Cashman got to him. Okay, if you

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Speaker 1: get McShay angry, someone really has to push your buttons.

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Speaker 1: He is a nice, nice man. So Mikey, with all

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Speaker 1: What is the origin in the background of the McShay

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Speaker 4: So I'm not one hundred percent sure with the origin

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Speaker 5: On his podcast, mcshae was talking about Alabama's big win

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Speaker 5: Florida State just lost to Virginia, that place is vicious.

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Speaker 5: Watch that trash, Paul, fine to see how vicious it's not.

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Speaker 5: It's just not good. It's just not good humanity. Get

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Speaker 5: my little shot in at Paul, one of the all

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Speaker 5: time cowards. Next week I can unleash it all.

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Speaker 4: We'll explain why later.

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Speaker 4: He said that? He said that after Bama beat Georgia.

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Speaker 2: So that's okay. So next week is now?

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, listen, they said when the calendar flips October.

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Speaker 4: Let me check my watch. Yep, it's October.

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Speaker 6: Huh.

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Speaker 3: That's an all time tease by.

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Speaker 6: How about.

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Speaker 2: Right? The rare, the rare, tell all teas. I mean,

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Speaker 2: So if he's smart, I'll use his own platform.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say that's that's not that's not good business.

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Speaker 2: But I hope I'm happy with him using hours. Like

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Speaker 6: Of a man.

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Speaker 3: Sims Kincaid, Ah.

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Speaker 2: Certainly, Yeah, yes, yes, Sims kid.

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Speaker 4: Is Golic part of one of the all time media beefs.

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Speaker 2: Man, I don't know, that's a good question.

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Speaker 4: Maybe just with a certain former colleague.

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Speaker 1: Golic's just too nice. You really have to And I

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Speaker 2: You want to ask gold about it next time he's on.

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Speaker 4: Is there any other media beefs brewing that we know about?

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Speaker 2: Maybe just m shy and Finebaum? You would say, fine

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Speaker 2: bam is who in terms of media like its like

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Speaker 1: A school, Oh man, he is? I got your fucking

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Speaker 2: If you were if Paul Finebaum was a college, who

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Speaker 4: He's got to be Bama like.

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Speaker 2: In terms of like who is this is? Who versus

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Speaker 1: In terms of media beef because these are two powerhouses.

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Speaker 1: McShay is a fucking powerhouse and I'm not certain fine

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Speaker 1: Baum's not more of a powerhouse.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Jesus, this might be a typical Alabama Georgia

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Speaker 4: Is it Bama LSU? Can we put McShay as LSU?

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Speaker 3: I can send it being LSU.

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Speaker 2: Is that is that fair?

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Speaker 4: Preseason? Yes, preseason hold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in season McShay is kicking his ass in season.

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Speaker 4: In season things change.

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Speaker 3: I'm starting to think more about it, and mcshae doesn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 1: McShay is, Yeah, he's he's kind of Middle America, Northeast

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of like mcshay's got his supporters, the

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Speaker 1: Got it, I'm telling you guys right now, I don't

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Speaker 1: arrived here. I side with McShay. I roll with Todd

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Speaker 1: McShay with all due respect to find them. I am

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Speaker 1: I have no idea if mcshaye is into baseball. I

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Speaker 3: I think I'm marvro McShay guy.

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Speaker 5: Really, yeah, I figured it out. The problem is the

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Pete Carroll, Right, all right, Well we'll talk

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Speaker 2: I ride with McShay. Taylor's a phony.

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Speaker 1: If he's a Red Zone fan, I'm telling you right now,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna bell McShay.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna go with Fine batt.

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Speaker 4: Let me see who McShay has the Jets taken in

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Speaker 1: You know whoever he hasn't take him, he's gonna be bad.

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Speaker 1: I can assure you of that. It doesn't matter I

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Speaker 1: roll with McShay. That's let's bring in my buddy, Todd McShay.

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Speaker 1: right now. We were talking right before you came on

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Speaker 2: Good media beefs I do.

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Speaker 2: And it seems like you are. You were right in

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Speaker 2: Finebaum are going at it.

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Speaker 1: And just so we're clear, I am team McShay with

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Speaker 6: I don't even on you and say I'm team Finebaum.

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Speaker 6: I got gus listen.

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Speaker 1: Fine Baum didn't send me a text when I started

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Speaker 1: Tom McShay. My friend did, because that's what friends do.

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Speaker 1: I am team McShay all the way. I don't care

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Speaker 4: How about that. But fine bamb is not on That's yeah,

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Speaker 6: No, I know I know how that rolls, but I

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Speaker 6: if you want the full story, I now, because I've

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Speaker 6: gotten so many texts and so many articles said to

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Speaker 6: Spotify, Apple, wherever you get podcasts. But right now, as

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Speaker 1: You know, of course, no use listen say whatever you

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Speaker 2: What a masterful way of getting that back to football.

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Speaker 6: the best quarterback in the country. And I said it

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Speaker 6: before last week, and I only had four games to

437
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 6: go on because he hadn't played since five starts at UCLA.

438
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 6: It was a disaster. Transferred to Oregon, sat and then

439
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 6: became and then had got into a fight and not

440
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 6: a fight, like a competition in the preseason with another quarterback,

441
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Speaker 6: and it was reports he might not even win the job.

442
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Speaker 6: So I'm kind of not written him off. But I

443
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 6: didn't expect much from this Dante more guy at Oregon, right,

444
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Speaker 6: And then I put on the tape before the Penn

445
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 6: State game to try to prepare, Yeah, and I'm like,

446
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 6: holy shit, crazy, he's the guy.

447
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

448
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 6: Now he's only got ten starts, but he's making NFL throws.

449
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 6: He's mobile, he's calm, he's just layering the ball. He

450
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 6: knows how to like, he's touch, the anticipation, all the

451
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Speaker 6: things you look for from a quarterback. Oregon's got the

452
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Speaker 6: best quarterback in the country and it's Dante more And

453
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Speaker 6: I don't want him to come out after this year

454
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Speaker 6: because I think we've seen more so than ever with

455
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Speaker 6: like bow Nicks with sixty something starts FBS record, Dylan

456
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 6: Gabriel now starter for the Browns, drafted in the third round,

457
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,479
Speaker 6: higher than we expected, ahead of Shador Sanders, and all

458
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 6: that saga. But when I look at like the guys

459
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Speaker 6: you talk about, like all the quarterbacks that have had

460
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 6: early success, Jaden Daniels transfer, Arizona State, LSU, they've all

461
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 6: had the like fifty six Steve starts in college. So

462
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Speaker 6: I want Dante Moore back. Will Stein has been a

463
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Speaker 6: quarterback whisper at Oregon. He did a great job with

464
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Speaker 6: bon Nicks in two years there, did a great job

465
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Speaker 6: with Gabriel. Dante can be the next guy. I hope

466
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Speaker 6: it's twenty twenty seven, But I'm telling you right now,

467
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Speaker 6: if the NFL Draft was held next week, I think

468
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Speaker 6: he might be the first overall pick.

469
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Speaker 2: That is crazy.

470
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Speaker 1: Is there any chance these quarterbacks are really good? But

471
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Speaker 1: they're just trying to throw the Jets off their set.

472
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Speaker 6: Like I mean, I actually was walking up to my

473
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Speaker 6: office studio, right and I'm thinking to myself, surely there's

474
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Speaker 6: nothing we can talk about with the Jets today, right,

475
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Speaker 6: I have.

476
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Speaker 1: Quartered you're a dragking and they always that's true, that's true.

477
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Speaker 6: I got a headtail watching Justin Fields the other night.

478
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Speaker 2: I got it off.

479
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Speaker 6: I've been saying this since since he was in college, right,

480
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Speaker 6: And I like the young man. I like his athleticism,

481
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 6: but then, like Lewis, it comes on and he's not wrong.

482
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Speaker 6: He's like only two or three guys could have that

483
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 6: long touchdown run. He's such a special he is a

484
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 6: special athlete, always has been. Yeah, can't play the quarterback

485
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Speaker 6: position at a level that you need from an NFL

486
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 6: organization to be consistently successful. Right, And so when they

487
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 6: when they brought him in, and they were all excited

488
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Speaker 6: about it, like what are we doing? But then again,

489
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Speaker 6: like my guy Joe Douglas, like everywhere he's gone, he's

490
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Speaker 6: a winner, Baltimore, Philly, back to Philly, but he forgot

491
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Speaker 6: how to be a football guy apparently, and with the Jets.

492
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Speaker 1: Doesn't he nailed everything. His drafts were great, Like he

493
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Speaker 1: was great. He just couldn't get the quarterback. No one

494
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: could seemingly get the quarterback for the Jets. Oh and

495
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Speaker 1: by the way, Baker Mayfield.

496
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Sam Donald. Yeah, you know, like guys that go

497
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Speaker 6: to Carolina and New York, they just don't succeed. And

498
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 6: you can see like the talents there. I mean, Donald

499
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Speaker 6: and mayfielder are just like winning games often.

500
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Speaker 1: Right, it's crazy, right, yeah, yeah, they're surrounded by good team.

501
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Speaker 2: Staylor has something on the Manning camp though.

502
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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, Todd, you mentioned that we got off

503
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Speaker 3: on the wrong foot today, But I'm glad you mentioned

504
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Speaker 3: the Manning Academy because that's actually where we got off

505
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Speaker 3: on the wrong foot. Because I'm a Carolina guy. You

506
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 3: came out praising go Lopez. You praise him for his accuracy,

507
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 3: his strong arm, and then the game start and he.

508
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Speaker 6: Stinks it might have something to do with the people

509
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Speaker 6: around him. It also like you know, I I yes,

510
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Speaker 6: I did praise him, and there was a lot of

511
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Speaker 6: praise worthy throws.

512
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Speaker 4: That he made.

513
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Speaker 6: But we're in shorts and a T shirt, like you

514
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 6: have to. I'm keeping it trying to keep it in perspective, yes,

515
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 6: but yeah, like I told you, just standing out there,

516
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 6: it's like field of dreams on that Friday night and

517
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 6: watching all these guys.

518
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: Rip the ball giving me goosebumps.

519
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 6: Man, Honestly, I was like this, this is like, this

520
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 6: is this is heaven. You know, this is It's like

521
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 6: a cornfield in the middle of Tibot his football heaven.

522
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 6: And there's no there's no camera cruise, there's no like

523
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 6: trucks going back and forth. It's just guys out there

524
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 6: playing ball having fun. But Gio Lopez was was one

525
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 6: of them, and he was he was making throws that

526
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Speaker 6: some of the other guys couldn't make, and he was

527
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Speaker 6: just like the temple. I think Bill Belichick knows what

528
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Speaker 6: a good quarterback looks like, and I think the people

529
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Speaker 6: on that step and they saw him at a smaller

530
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Speaker 6: level and said that he could. You know, we get

531
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Speaker 6: a chance with this guy. But what we just talked

532
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 6: about with Baker and Sam, if you don't have the

533
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Speaker 6: parts around it right, and you're bringing seventy new faces

534
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 6: like that thing's a that thing's a nightmare, and then

535
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Speaker 6: you got Jordaan on the on the sideline, just bringing

536
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 6: all the negative attention, So it's been hard to watch.

537
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Speaker 2: Yep.

538
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Speaker 1: I wonder if McShee did a draft rite up, like

539
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Speaker 1: had draft rates for Taylor coming out of North Carolina.

540
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Speaker 2: You weren't good enough.

541
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Speaker 1: Mcshae knew you were going undrafted. Yes, he played wide receiver.

542
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Speaker 1: Perhaps next time we'll have McShay do an evaluation of you.

543
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Speaker 6: What years were you there, Taylor?

544
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Speaker 3: So I was there twenty thirteen to twenty sixteen. Uh,

545
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Speaker 3: you're gonna you're gonna have to dig real deep to

546
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: find any game tape, and it's gonna be on like kickoffs.

547
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: The coaches new, we're gonna be touchbacks.

548
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, I know the field, and I and

549
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Speaker 6: and and that's the same for me at the University

550
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 6: of Richmond. So at least you can say it's an

551
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Speaker 6: FBS school.

552
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Speaker 3: So they were they were putting me on like the

553
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Speaker 3: punt return teams and telling the returner like, hey, just

554
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: fair catch it the second pot ball goes up.

555
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Speaker 6: Right, I mean, yeah, nothing wrong with that.

556
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Speaker 1: Hey, you played for Carolina man great education? Yes, yes, yes,

557
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Speaker 1: and he had a great time as well as a

558
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Speaker 1: track star. I think I believe I went after my

559
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Speaker 1: freshman year. Who's the best player, forget about quarterback, just

560
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Speaker 1: the best player in college football right now.

561
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Speaker 6: I don't know that he's gonna be the number one

562
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Speaker 6: overall pick.

563
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Speaker 4: I don't.

564
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Speaker 6: I mean you can argue, but I mean John Mattier.

565
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Speaker 6: I would have argued, like if you were to draft

566
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Speaker 6: the entire like if everyone wanted to pool for college football,

567
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 6: Matier before the hand injury was the guy. And I

568
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 6: still think Matier comes back, finishes as strong as he started,

569
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 6: has a chance to work his way into the first round.

570
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 6: I love that guy. But if you're talking just like

571
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 6: best player right now, I might go with Ruben Bain

572
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 6: in Miami. Man Man, I just watched his tape. I

573
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 6: finished up his tip started yesterday, I finished it this morning.

574
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 6: He is I mean he's not He's not a burner

575
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 6: off the edge, but it's like everything that translates to

576
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 6: the NFL game. It's power, bend, relentless, motor. He is

577
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 6: a nightmare to deal with. Crazy and that Heatherman guy

578
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 6: came in the defensive coordinator and like the thing that

579
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 6: was kind of missing with it. They had they had

580
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 6: talent for a lot of years at Miami, but it

581
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 6: was like discipline letting him play free and fast, but

582
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 6: with discipline, he's getting the most out of him. I mean,

583
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 6: it was a perfect It was christ of Ball made

584
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 6: the right calling. This guy was like NFL Europe Western

585
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 6: mass guy, uh Maine, James Madison, Minnesota, like hard nosed

586
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 6: places where you had to overachieve. And then he comes

587
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 6: to Miami and he's just getting the most out of

588
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 6: these guys and they're playing just a good brand of

589
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 6: football together. And at the end of every clip, if

590
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 6: you posit at the end of every clip, at the

591
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 6: end of the tackle, there's like six, seven, eight Canes

592
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 6: defenders on the screen. They are rallying. So it's gonna

593
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 6: be a fun one to watch against this Gus Melason

594
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 6: offense for Florida State. And obviously Florida State had the

595
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Speaker 6: kind of letdown game, look ahead game, whatever you want

596
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 6: to call it against Virginia. But that team's talented and

597
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 6: that and and it's gonna be a different level of

598
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 6: just vicious effort for Florida State on Saturday.

599
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Speaker 1: I think we all wanted Florida State to beat Virginia.

600
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: So both teams come in right, Yeah, so that that things,

601
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Speaker 1: But do you think that's an a bit like how

602
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: does that work for Miami. In your opinion, would you

603
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: rather have Florida State coming in undefeated or coming in

604
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: off of loss to Virginia and now they have a

605
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: chip on their shoulder and know this game means even

606
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: more than it did a week ago.

607
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 6: I'd rather them come in undefeated, no question. Same yeah, same,

608
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 6: because this this is a level of attention to detail

609
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 6: that the coaches will get from their players that that's

610
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 6: hard to get, and they would have gotten it to

611
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 6: a certain level because it's Miami. Of course, you remember

612
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 6: all these guys were recruited, recruited with and against one another.

613
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 6: They all they all know each other, you know, whether

614
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 6: it's they played against each other, played with each other

615
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 6: like there there's something about like the Florida rivalry, give

616
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 6: us right and like all the ball that they've played

617
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 6: or they've heard stories about, or like six degrees of separation.

618
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 6: So this is a go out and prove it all

619
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Speaker 6: type of game, Todd Going.

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Speaker 5: Into the season, we had several people tell us Clemson

621
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 5: and Penn State they're the most talented, when if it's

622
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 5: just played on the field, it's all Clemson and Penn State.

623
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Speaker 5: Clemson is just falling off a Cliff, But Penn State,

624
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Speaker 5: I don't want to hear it until until they play somebody.

625
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: It feels like every year we get the James.

626
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 5: Franklin game where he's gonna play somebody in the top

627
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 5: ten and he's gonna run down his leg.

628
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 4: What do we do with Penn State.

629
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Speaker 6: Penn State's tough because the defense is really good and

630
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 6: they gave up over I think four hundred yards to

631
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 6: Oregon the other night, but they limited the scoring, you know,

632
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Speaker 6: And that's like I said, I would argue the best

633
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 6: quarterback in college football right now with with Matii out,

634
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 6: It's the offense. It's always been the offense. Remember KeAndre

635
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 6: Lambert Smith, he's with the Chargers now. He he was

636
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 6: with Penn State. He left reports out of Penn State

637
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 6: was the coach Franklin was saying that, you know, was

638
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 6: additioned by subtraction. He went to Auburn for a year

639
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 6: and then wound up in the NFL. Then this past

640
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 6: this past year was at Wallace the third and Omar

641
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 6: Evans or Cooper I can't remember. The two receivers from

642
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 6: last year weren't good enough. So let's let's bring in

643
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 6: a bunch different guys. Paying you from Syracuse, usc kid,

644
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 6: So let's go get other guys. It's always the wide

645
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 6: receiver's fault. So after three years, maybe we can start

646
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 6: recognizing it's a quarterback thing, right, And if you really

647
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 6: study them what they do, Andy Cotolinki, the offensive coordinator,

648
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 6: when they need it on a third down or a

649
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 6: fourth down, it's a stop route, it's an in crosser,

650
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 6: it's a comeback. He's drew Aller. He's big, he's strong,

651
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Speaker 6: he's smart, he goes through progressions, he's tough. He's not

652
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Speaker 6: quick or twitchy. He's not elusive, but my goodness, he's

653
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Speaker 6: got this. He's a multi sport athlete in high school.

654
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Speaker 6: He's got this like competitive instinctive athleticism that helps pick

655
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Speaker 6: up first downs, all those sticks. So there's a lot

656
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Speaker 6: of positives, and I get why scouts were really high

657
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Speaker 6: on him, because if you do an easy evaluation, you

658
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 6: don't dig, you don't see the problems. Big arm, tall,

659
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 6: looks the part, all that stuff, right, But when a

660
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 6: receiver's running away from him, whether it's a go route, post,

661
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 6: corner post, what requires touch, trajectory, visualization, just that feel

662
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 6: that you have to have as a quarterback, even swing passes.

663
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Speaker 6: If you watch out of the backfield, he's horribly inaccurate.

664
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Speaker 6: And so when they need it, they know they Andy,

665
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Speaker 6: his offensive coordinators knows knows he can't trust those things, right,

666
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Speaker 6: so they go to receiver, Show me your numbers, receiver,

667
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Speaker 6: and I'll hit a spot.

668
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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. So that's that's been the problem the last couple

670
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 6: of years and continues to be offensively for Penn State.

671
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Speaker 6: And I just don't think that. I don't think they're

672
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Speaker 6: going to get over the hump because and it's hard

673
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Speaker 6: to say, because I don't want to blame it on

674
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Speaker 6: one person, but you've got a head coach that doesn't

675
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Speaker 6: perform well in big games, and you've got a quarterback

676
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Speaker 6: that doesn't perform well in big games. This is the result.

677
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Speaker 2: Well, you're blaming it on two people. So yes, you

678
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: want to feel better, right, but it's not the receivers, right, No,

679
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Speaker 2: I'm with you.

680
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Speaker 1: How often does your opinion change throughout the season meeting

681
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Speaker 1: you come into the season thinking one guy is the

682
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Speaker 1: best quarterback, You change your opinion four weeks and how

683
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: often does.

684
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Speaker 2: That happen for you throughout the course of the sason?

685
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Speaker 6: This year is a shining example, right, crazy, right, Yeah,

686
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Speaker 6: Like I didn't. I didn't think for a second we'd

687
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 6: be in this situation where all these top, top rated

688
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 6: guys would would be struggling.

689
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Speaker 2: Right, That's what I'm trying to get at. This is

690
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Speaker 2: not the norm.

691
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Speaker 6: This is not at all the norm, right, And it's

692
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 6: frustrating to watch. And now there's like reports about an

693
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 6: oblique injury with nuss Meyer. I don't know. Sellers has

694
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 6: looked great at moments, but it has been up and down

695
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 6: for South Carolina and they don't have a ton around him.

696
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 6: They don't have a good defense. So like you can,

697
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 6: but like Arches struggling and I'm hoping that he's going

698
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 6: to start to put it together. But there's some mechanical stuff,

699
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 6: there's some rushing, you know, And I did a full

700
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 6: breakdown on all of it last week against Florida's defense.

701
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Speaker 6: This is going to be it. We didn't even mention

702
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 6: DJ Lagway, right, like the twenty seven clasp was supposed

703
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 6: to be just as good as the twenty sixth. Yes

704
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 6: and so, and maybe maybe Lagway has a great year

705
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 6: and leaves early, even though he shouldn't learn from Trent

706
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Speaker 6: Richardson or what's his name the Anthony richard Sorry, yeah,

707
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 6: learn from Anthony Richardson at that same school. Thirteen starts.

708
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Speaker 6: It doesn't work. So it's just it's been wild to

709
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 6: watch and so but you I try, I don't ignore it,

710
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 6: but I try not to swing too fast because it

711
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 6: could be a circumstance. You don't always know, Like I

712
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 6: don't know if ness Meyer is one hundred percent or

713
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 6: not right. I don't even want to really say it here,

714
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Speaker 6: but it's just like if the reports are out everywhere

715
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 6: that it might be like maybe that's it, but I

716
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 6: don't know. So there's a lot of digging that has

717
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 6: to go on behind the scenes, and then there's also

718
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 6: a lot of tape that has to be studied before

719
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 6: you start wildly shifting on these guys. But now you know,

720
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 6: five weeks through the season, it is kind of what

721
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 6: it is and unless there's a now if it shifts back, wonderful,

722
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 6: But if it doesn't, you can't be the last to

723
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Speaker 6: the party.

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Speaker 2: We'll get you out here in just a second.

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Speaker 1: If you had a kid who was good enough to

726
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Speaker 1: maybe play in the NFL one day, which coach would

727
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: you send him to in college that would best in

728
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: your mind that would best get him ready to potentially

729
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Speaker 1: play in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: Oh gosh, there's a lot of defensive guys and a

731
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 6: lot of places for defense. I think if we're talking quarterback,

732
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Speaker 6: I'm fascinated by what Lane Kiffen is doing. Same because

733
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 6: Lane was West Coast like pure, like the Bill Walsh stuff.

734
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Speaker 6: You know, he and Sarkisian, right. I don't know if

735
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 6: two guys have have kind of adjusted with the times

736
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 6: as much as we've seen from Lane and Sarkisian right,

737
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 6: and like the RPOs and the tempo and all that stuff.

738
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 6: But Lane went from West Coast to like tempo from

739
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Speaker 6: one hundred plays and the thing about Lane, everyone thinks

740
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 6: it's a quarterback friendly, it's a passing game, all that stuff.

741
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 6: He's like his was one of the all time great

742
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 6: defensive coordinators in the NFL. He views it from like

743
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 6: how do I beat the defense? And in the run

744
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 6: game has always been critical for him. But he went

745
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 6: from that West Coast stuff to the RPOs and the

746
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 6: tempo and all that stuff to last year even throughout

747
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 6: it was interesting throughout Jackson Dart's career at All Miss.

748
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 6: He started with that stuff and then transitioned back to

749
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 6: the stuff with you know, when you think back on

750
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 6: like Carson Palmer more so like Matt Line, definitely like

751
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 6: Matt Liner Sanchez, like that West Coast stuff with dark

752
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 6: late in his career, more pro stuff. Yeah, and now

753
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, he's got this Trinidad kid who's

754
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 6: an unbelievable athlete, and it's like Zone Reid option. So

755
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 6: he's he adjust to his quarterback and his personnel as

756
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 6: well as anyone in the country. But I'm telling you

757
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 6: right now, I don't know, like, how is how how

758
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 6: are we looking at Dan Lanning in Oregon and not

759
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 6: saying this guy's the next Dan Campbell in the NFL.

760
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 6: I'd be shocked at the end of this year if

761
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 6: he's not the most coveted guy. And then Will Steins

762
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 6: is Ben Johnson. I just mentioned to you what he's

763
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 6: done with Bo Nicks, what he's done with Dylan Gabriel,

764
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 6: what he's doing now with Dante Moore.

765
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Speaker 1: I thought that's where you were going. By the way, Yeah,

766
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: Sarkis ends up, but Kiffin's good. I mean, that's Kiffin's

767
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: great because.

768
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Speaker 6: Depending on what your son is able to do, what

769
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 6: his skill level is, you know, he's going to adjust

770
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 6: it if he's good enough to what he does. But

771
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 6: then but Oregon Man, whether it's defense or offense, what

772
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 6: they're doing obviously Kirby smart. On the defensive side, there's

773
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 6: a lot of defensive guys, but it's tough to find

774
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 6: the guys who are developing consistently quarterbacks and offenses for

775
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 6: the next level. And I think will Stein is quickly

776
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 6: ascending to near the top of that group.

777
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: So it's not the thirty third NFL team in Chapel Hill.

778
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 6: It's shut the fuck up, leave me alone, Taylor.

779
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: Listen.

780
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: The biggest game going down this week is on the

781
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: Micjay podcast. Okay, it is mcshaye versus five maam, and

782
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: it's tomorrow.

783
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: When is that episode out tomorrow? When can? When can listeners?

784
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 6: The first I think like six six in the morning.

785
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 6: We're actually taping. We're gonna tape it tonight late tonight,

786
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 6: and it'll be up first thing Thursday morning. So hopefully

787
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Speaker 6: I don't Hopefully I don't get myself into much trouble.

788
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 6: Depends what kind of moot them in when we tape tonight.

789
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: Now you'll be fine. You rather beat.

790
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: As a Red Sox fan, you'd rather beat the Yankees

791
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: at Yankee Stadium than in family.

792
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 6: Right, absolutely, yes. I was there for the game seven

793
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 6: when they came back down three to zero. I had

794
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 6: the worst seats in the entire like the worst seats,

795
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 6: and I would like right field, like like there are

796
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 6: only four rows behind me. I think it was in

797
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 6: the entire stadium, But by the end of the game,

798
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,959
Speaker 6: I was down behind home plate, right, Taylor.

799
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Speaker 4: Let's go, Paul fine Bomb?

800
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 6: Huh?

801
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 2: They tired on you?

802
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 6: They did?

803
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: What about?

804
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 6: Like what are we doing with the coach's decisions? Like

805
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 6: why are you pulling your starter?

806
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: What do you care?

807
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: Boon's gonna get fired anyway.

808
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 4: They're terrible. He's terrible. Frian Cashman's worse.

809
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 2: Right here, we but you're great. The McShay Show part

810
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: of The Ringers podcast network. Check it out.

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Speaker 1: I tell Simmons to return a call and respond to

812
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: a text. Do something, all right, because I'm gonna start

813
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: a beat with him. I'm telling you right now.

814
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Speaker 6: Oh, I mean, I don't think he's overly worried about that. Together. Yeah,

815
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Speaker 6: you enjoying this? How's the show going?

816
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: I fucking love it?

817
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: Man, You don't off this an next elevatory.

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Speaker 6: You're speaking of beefs