WEBVTT - Celebrating Pride in STEM – Lab 066

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Pride month. Everybody. June feels like it's the month

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<v Speaker 1>for all the celebration Fride. June teenth is this month. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's black music month. It just feels like June is

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<v Speaker 1>just full of joy, and it feels like it's really summer.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when summer officially starts. Yes, June's that girl.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is the perfect time for celebration, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>continuing the celebration right here on Dope Labs, celebrating all

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<v Speaker 2>of our LGBTQ plus friends and family in stem. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that mixes hardcore science,

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<v Speaker 2>pop culture, and a healthy do friendship.

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<v Speaker 1>In the United States and many places around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>June is when we celebrate Pride Month. In the lgbtqia

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<v Speaker 1>plus community.

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<v Speaker 2>So lgbtqia plus encompasses a lot of different identities in

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<v Speaker 2>the queer community. It stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual,

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<v Speaker 2>or ally depending on who you ask. Identity is complicated

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<v Speaker 2>and these words don't mean the same thing to every person.

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<v Speaker 2>The meaning of some of these words have changed over time.

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<v Speaker 2>Queer in the beginning was used to be a slur

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<v Speaker 2>but has been reclaimed today as a way for many

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<v Speaker 2>people to celebrate their sexuality, and we are so excited

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrate Pride Month on the show. Yes, and for

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<v Speaker 2>this lab, we wanted to hear perspectives from queer voices

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<v Speaker 2>in science, so.

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<v Speaker 1>We've reached out and y'all gave us some awesome clips

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<v Speaker 1>on what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you've been following Dope Blast for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>you might recognize this type of lab. We took a

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<v Speaker 2>similar approach and we did the Black Scientist since them

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<v Speaker 2>Black History Month back in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, visibility in any field, including stem is crucial, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is also a time for us to celebrate, you

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<v Speaker 1>know how far queer rights have come, especially in the

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<v Speaker 1>face of efforts to roll those rights back, and for

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<v Speaker 1>us to take a critical look at what we still

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<v Speaker 1>have left to do. This episode, we're going to hear

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<v Speaker 1>from some queer scientists about their research, passion projects, and

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<v Speaker 1>why they love science.

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<v Speaker 2>We only have thirty minutes and so we couldn't get

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<v Speaker 2>to everybody, but we were so happy to hear from

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<v Speaker 2>so many of you about your work.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we hear from all these brilliant scientists, let's

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<v Speaker 1>rewind a little bit to get some context around Pride

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<v Speaker 1>and why career representation in STEM is so important.

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<v Speaker 2>While there have always been efforts for gay rights, Pride

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<v Speaker 2>Month was sparked by the Stonewall Riots also known as

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<v Speaker 2>the Stonewall Uprisings, and this was in June of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty nine when police raided the Stonewall Inn. The Stonewall

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<v Speaker 2>Inn was a popular gay bar in Greenwich Village in

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<v Speaker 2>New York and at the time, cops will routinely arrest

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<v Speaker 2>queer people for just being outside in public living their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Very similar to what we saw with Black Lives Matter.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw a space that was considered safe for gay

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<v Speaker 1>and queer people in New York, right, this was their bar,

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<v Speaker 1>and what would have been a minor infraction a liquor

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<v Speaker 1>license charge, becomes people getting abused, beat up, harassed. So

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<v Speaker 1>we see increased police violence to something that is a

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<v Speaker 1>nonviolent offense, which is not a new tactic for the police, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and this isn't the first time that the queer community

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<v Speaker 1>stood up against that type of police violence, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of considered the hairpin drop herd around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and that everybody kind of getting involved, and the huge

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<v Speaker 1>response to this one event is what led to the

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<v Speaker 1>creation of Pride Month, which we continue to celebrate now.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So now that we have a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of history, let's get into the recitation. All right, So

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<v Speaker 1>what do we know? Well, we know that there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of progress in the year since Stonewall, but

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<v Speaker 1>don't get it twisted. There's a long way to go,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's particularly a long way to go in STEM too,

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<v Speaker 1>And we know that STEM as a whole is advanced

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<v Speaker 1>by having diversity of thought, diversity of experience, all of

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<v Speaker 1>these unique characteristics of each person help advance science. The

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<v Speaker 1>things we've seen pop up in our labs with doctors

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Hofer and Gail Sinatra, our HIV episode with doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Christine Daniels, and our episode about racism and Science with

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Angelo sani is that science is not done in

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<v Speaker 1>a vacuum, right, and people bring their whole selves to science,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the variety of experience also informs what gets

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<v Speaker 1>pursued in the sciences, what's deemed as worthy of research,

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<v Speaker 1>in which communities we prioritize. To make our technology and

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<v Speaker 1>scientific advances work on behalf.

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<v Speaker 2>Of right and to create these environments where you can

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<v Speaker 2>have that type of robust science. You have to have

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<v Speaker 2>people from all different types of backgrounds and representation matters.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can see it, you can be it. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we hope to do today, highlighting queer folks

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<v Speaker 2>in STEM. So what do we want to know?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we want to hear from our LGBTQ plus community

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<v Speaker 1>in STEM, right, we want to know what they're working on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I would love to hear their experiences, their

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<v Speaker 2>personal experiences about what it's like being in STEM. You

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<v Speaker 2>and I have a unique perspective as black women in

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<v Speaker 2>STEM and our experiences, but it's always good to know

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<v Speaker 2>where other people feel like there are pitfalls that we

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<v Speaker 2>might not be aware of.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, let's jump into the dissections.

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<v Speaker 2>We put a call out to hear from our queer

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<v Speaker 2>friends that are in STEM to find out more about

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<v Speaker 2>the things that you all are loving, the work that

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing, where you are in your career, and the

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<v Speaker 2>things that are important to you. And we got so

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<v Speaker 2>many responses and made it so happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Our first caller is.

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<v Speaker 2>An astronomer who studies tides on stars. We love talking

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<v Speaker 2>about space because there's so much that's always being learned

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<v Speaker 2>every single day. Space in the ocean. I mean, give

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<v Speaker 2>me a break, there's no limit.

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<v Speaker 4>Ktt and zakiya. I'm currently standing in the sand in

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<v Speaker 4>ancestral wee Be Territory on the central California coast under

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<v Speaker 4>the moonlight. My name is Rewa, I use she her pronouns,

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<v Speaker 4>and this fall I will be starting graduate school for astronomy.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyone who's been to the ocean knows about tides, right.

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<v Speaker 4>The water level rises and falls because the Moon's gravity

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<v Speaker 4>pulls on the Earth's ocean, and turns out, tides can

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<v Speaker 4>happen on stars too, especially if that star veers super

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<v Speaker 4>close to a very very dense object like a super

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<v Speaker 4>massive black hole. So that's what I study. I use

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<v Speaker 4>the lux supercomputer at UC Santa Cruz to run simulations

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<v Speaker 4>of tightly disrupted stars, trying to find any telltale fingerprints

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<v Speaker 4>so that we know how to go look for them

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<v Speaker 4>in the wild. I love the feeling of wonder as

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<v Speaker 4>I explore phenomena so much vaster than my imagination can hold.

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<v Speaker 4>And I love the people I work with, people who

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<v Speaker 4>are invested in making stem spaces that are decolonial, feminist,

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<v Speaker 4>anti racist, that we can all participate in as our

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<v Speaker 4>full selves.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh, you know, when I start thinking about space, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes me feel like we're so small ificant. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>Raya is talking about tidal disruptions in space.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, just like how the Moon interacts with the Earth

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<v Speaker 2>and how it pulls its hides in the ocean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what Raywa is saying is happening with stars. As

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<v Speaker 2>stars get close to a dense object like a black hole,

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<v Speaker 2>they also feel that tidle pull. And you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like what happens in the beginning part. But

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<v Speaker 2>if stars get too close to that dense object, too

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<v Speaker 2>close to that black hole, then you have a catastrophic event.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that is so cool. I didn't even think about

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<v Speaker 1>tides happening on things other than planets, honestly, but it

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>It does make sense that all of these things should

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<v Speaker 2>have tides. It's a lot going on in space.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And you know, anytime I can tie something back

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<v Speaker 1>to some biology, I'm game for it. Did you hear

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<v Speaker 1>her say star fingerprinting?

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<v Speaker 3>I did. I did.

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<v Speaker 1>And so just like our fingerprints are supposed to be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, unique to us and help you identify individuals,

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<v Speaker 1>Star fingerprinting is a term for identifying and distinguishing between

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<v Speaker 1>the millions of stars in the sky. So astronomers like

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<v Speaker 1>ray Well identify stars color to find out the gas

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<v Speaker 1>is made of and it's temperature, so its own sort

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<v Speaker 1>of finger printing. That's really cool, kind of cool. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we love space, and we can call back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Starchlla episode where we talked about space and

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<v Speaker 1>just how small we all are when we consider the

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<v Speaker 1>grand scale of you know, just the Earth to the Moon,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's just our little planet and what's orbiting around it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we start thinking about orbiting around the Sun, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's just our little solar system, and solar system is

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<v Speaker 1>in the galaxy. Girl, it's too much. But we still

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate astronomers because they're able to take all that in.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know another type of scientists I really celebrate.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know it's not for me. What an entomologist.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's my friend's worst nightmare. Entomologists study insects.

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<v Speaker 1>It's no for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Dog Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I have had to rescue my friend a number of

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<v Speaker 2>times from a variety of insects, and I'll be there

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<v Speaker 2>every time. But this is a real fear. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>think you ever could have been an entomologist or what if,

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<v Speaker 2>like your research like veered that direction a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit couldn't have. I don't even like when people call

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria bugs. Oh just the worst, Yeah, because they're not

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<v Speaker 1>a but b I don't want to think about them

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<v Speaker 1>having little legs. You know, cilia and flagella. That's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but little insect legs. No, no, no, So clearly entomology

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<v Speaker 1>is not for you. But our next caller, doctor Perry

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<v Speaker 1>Beasley Hall, is someone who loves bugs.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi. Everyone, my name's doctor Perry Beasley Hall, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>a researcher at the South Australian Museum and the University

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<v Speaker 5>of Adelaide. Here in Australia, I use she, her or

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<v Speaker 5>they then pronouns. I'm a lesbian biologist and I'm passionate

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<v Speaker 5>about increasing the visibility of LGBTQ people in stem fields.

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<v Speaker 5>At the moment, I'm working on cataloging the biodiversity in

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<v Speaker 5>mini oases of the South Australian Desert also called mound springs.

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<v Speaker 5>But my background is in entomology, the study of insects

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<v Speaker 5>and evolutionary biology. Much of my work focuses on untangling

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<v Speaker 5>the insect tree of Life using DNA. I have a

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<v Speaker 5>particular interest in subterranean or underground insects because of the

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<v Speaker 5>weird adaptations they often have to face the challenges of

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<v Speaker 5>a complete dark environment, cut off from the world. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>passionate about the work I do because I love solving

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<v Speaker 5>evolutionary puzzles and figuring out which species go where when

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<v Speaker 5>it comes to an evolutionary trait. My job allows me

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<v Speaker 5>to turn people into defenders of insects and show them

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<v Speaker 5>some fascinating animals they've never seen before.

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<v Speaker 2>I Ritzekiah, has doctor Beasley Hall turned you into a

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<v Speaker 2>defender of insects. I understand the importance of insects, and

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<v Speaker 2>I defend them away from me, right like that is

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<v Speaker 2>where I am the strongest defender.

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<v Speaker 1>Then go buggy over there, over there, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think the work that doctor Beasley Hall

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<v Speaker 1>is doing right now, you know, documenting biodiversity in the

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<v Speaker 1>South Australian desert, that type of work is incredibly important because,

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<v Speaker 1>whether I like it or not, insects are vital to

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<v Speaker 1>our world and many insect populations are going extinct at

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<v Speaker 1>alarming rates.

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<v Speaker 2>Right and we just had a lab all about that

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<v Speaker 2>conversation on biodiversity with doctor raywind Grant, we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>how important data collection is for conservation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and insects are a part of that. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what we realize is that there's a huge lack of

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<v Speaker 1>data on insects, and so we're losing them, but we

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know that we're losing them. What did Shannon

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<v Speaker 1>Sharp say, we're losing recipes and so. And I recently

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<v Speaker 1>saw in somebody's yard where they had a sign that

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<v Speaker 1>said don't do those mosquito treatments because they affect other

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<v Speaker 1>flying bugs and other pollinators that are really important. And

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<v Speaker 1>a recent study from the UK show that they had

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<v Speaker 1>a sixty percent drop in flying bugs from two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and four to twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that sounds good for me as a person outside,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know that's not good for our environment. We

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<v Speaker 1>were already under the biology umbrella, so let's stay under

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<v Speaker 1>there a little bit, but shift to neuroscience, studying the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Our next caller is Kayla Singleton, a neuroscientist who researches

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<v Speaker 1>Minky's disease.

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<v Speaker 6>Hello, my name is doctor Kayla as Singleton. My pronouncer

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<v Speaker 6>she Her. I'm a black, Samoan and queer developmental neuroscientist

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm a postdoctoral fellow at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm from grace And Georgia, and my current research focuses

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<v Speaker 6>on understanding how the brain develops in normal and pathological

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<v Speaker 6>conditions by studying rare genetic diseases, specifically Minky's disease. My

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<v Speaker 6>current project is funded by the National Institute of Neurological

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<v Speaker 6>Disorder and Stroke and what it really tries to understand

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<v Speaker 6>is how copper affects brain development, but also how copper

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<v Speaker 6>effects mitochondrial function and metabolic function. Most of the research

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<v Speaker 6>that I do relies on convocal microscopy. It relies on

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<v Speaker 6>using Drosophla or fruitfly, as well as cell lines as

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<v Speaker 6>a model. And one of the reasons that I love

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<v Speaker 6>my research so much is because it has direct implications

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<v Speaker 6>to help the Minky's disease population. Another reason that I

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<v Speaker 6>love my work is because I get to mentor and

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<v Speaker 6>teach and train the next upcoming generation of scientists, and

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<v Speaker 6>I think that that's really wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Singleton's work has implications for people who have mincus

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<v Speaker 1>disease and that leads to the deterioration of the nervous system,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's directly related to copper in the body.

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<v Speaker 2>And the result of that is you'd have sparse or

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<v Speaker 2>kinky hair textures, difficulty gaining weight, weak muscle tone, sagging

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<v Speaker 2>facial features, seizures, developmental delay, and an intellectual disability.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of this is related to copper levels in

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<v Speaker 1>the body. You know, I think we've kind of touched

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<v Speaker 1>on some of these things in LA labs. So when

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about nutrition earlier back in January that lab

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<v Speaker 1>with doctor Lickenstein, and then more recently our episode with

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Buttner where we talked about metals and their importance

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<v Speaker 1>in different developmental stages. Here we're seeing that exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is such important work that will help a lot

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people that are struggling with this disease.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely T T. Let's take a break and when we

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<v Speaker 1>get back we'll hear some more from queer scientists.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back and we're celebrating Pride Month in STEM and

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<v Speaker 2>listening to queer scientists share their research stories and experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only is June Pride month, but it's also Black

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<v Speaker 1>Music Month, and next week we're talking all about it

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<v Speaker 1>with Mark, Anthony Neil and Ninth Wonder. This lab is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be great and I can't wait for you

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<v Speaker 1>guys to listen. Let's get back to today's lab.

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<v Speaker 2>So far we've heard from an astronomer studying tides on stars,

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<v Speaker 2>and entomologists exploring biodiversity in the Australian desert, and a

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<v Speaker 2>neurobiologist who's working to address Minky's disease.

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<v Speaker 1>Our next caller is a biochemist who is studying an

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<v Speaker 1>unstoppable force.

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<v Speaker 7>Aging dope lapse podcast What's Good? So, I am doctor

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<v Speaker 7>Melanie mcrennolds, she her hers. I am originally from Louisville, Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm a biochemist. I study the biochemistry of aging, right,

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<v Speaker 7>so the intersection of metabolic decline and really asking those

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<v Speaker 7>questions of how can we age healthier? How can we

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<v Speaker 7>protect the resiliency of my metabolism In particular, I'm an

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<v Speaker 7>NAD scientist. So nicotinamie editing NIE nucleotide. It's a key

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<v Speaker 7>reados regulator. It drives energy production, but it also controls

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of signaling processes.

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<v Speaker 1>So doctor McReynolds might not be working to create the

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<v Speaker 1>Fountain of Youth, but her work is central to finding

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<v Speaker 1>ways for people to have a better quality of life

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<v Speaker 1>as they age. Her work is on NAD, which is

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<v Speaker 1>nicotinamide at need di nucleotide. It's a molecule that supports

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<v Speaker 1>cellular function across a couple of different categories. So think metabolism,

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<v Speaker 1>DNA damage repair, gene expression, stress responses. These are some

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<v Speaker 1>things we've talked about in earlier episodes, and this signaling

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<v Speaker 1>molecule she studies is involved in all of them. When

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<v Speaker 1>we age, our body produces less in AD and it

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<v Speaker 1>also uses more of it, so now we're getting into

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<v Speaker 1>supply and demand. Those declines can lead to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of diseases associated with getting older, like cancer and cognitive decline.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been a lot of hype over the years about

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<v Speaker 1>anti aging supplements, but it's scientists like doctor McReynolds who

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<v Speaker 1>are doing the work to tease apart these really complex

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<v Speaker 1>systems to understand how to help people as they age.

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<v Speaker 2>In the same vein of ensuring the quality of life

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<v Speaker 2>for folks, there are scientists that look at specific diseases

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<v Speaker 2>and do a ton of research on what factors may

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<v Speaker 2>be causing certain groups to have a lower quality of.

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<v Speaker 1>Life, and this is disparities. We've talked about disparities across

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of topics including sleep, housing, healthcare, you name it.

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<v Speaker 2>Our next caller is a med student who hopes to

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<v Speaker 2>help patients with HIV who are also experiencing another serious condition.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi.

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<v Speaker 8>There, my name is Derek Trim. I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 8>a first year medical student of coming out this summer

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<v Speaker 8>and I'm currently doing a research project on patients with

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<v Speaker 8>HIV and a depression commobidity and how different type of

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<v Speaker 8>interventions can hopefully have the house in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>The work that Derek is doing is so important, and

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<v Speaker 1>when you consider what we know, which is that nothing

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<v Speaker 1>happens really in isolation. So a comorbidity is the presence

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<v Speaker 1>of one or more conditions in addition to the primary

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<v Speaker 1>condition you're being treated for. So, in the case is

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<v Speaker 1>that Derek is studying or hoping to help out with,

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<v Speaker 1>the primary condition is HIV and the comorbidity they're interested

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<v Speaker 1>in is depression.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you're sick or dealing with an illness that

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<v Speaker 2>can create or exacerbate other things. And of course mental

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<v Speaker 2>health is just as important. As physical health. The work

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<v Speaker 2>that Derek is doing and will probably continue to do

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<v Speaker 2>after they achieve their medical degree is so important. If

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<v Speaker 2>we think back to what doctor Christine Daniels was telling

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<v Speaker 2>us from our HIV episodes, it is very important to

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<v Speaker 2>have resources available to folks that are living with HIV

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<v Speaker 2>in order to ensure that they are having a high

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<v Speaker 2>quality of life.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that we've talked about TT is

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<v Speaker 1>the experience that individuals have going through the STEM pipeline

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<v Speaker 1>of training and postdoc training and then being in their fields.

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<v Speaker 1>And we heard from scientists who both have felt confined

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<v Speaker 1>or like they can't be them full selves in their

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<v Speaker 1>field and folks who are studying people having those experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>So we gotta voice memo. I'm a civil engineer named

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<v Speaker 2>Albert who reflected on what it means to be queer

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<v Speaker 2>and working in engineering.

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<v Speaker 9>Hi, this is Albert, and I live in Austin. I

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<v Speaker 9>work in civil engineering slash construction management, so it kind

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<v Speaker 9>of science last math here in Austin.

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<v Speaker 10>And you know, I grew.

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<v Speaker 9>Up being a want to be a tear, but the

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<v Speaker 9>engineering world is as it is. It's very very anti

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<v Speaker 9>feminine energy, if that makes sense. I don't know that's

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<v Speaker 9>going to be like in other types of field, but

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<v Speaker 9>for me, that's how I feel. You have to have

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<v Speaker 9>this masculine approach and how you dress, how you talk,

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<v Speaker 9>how you pretty much carry yourself.

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<v Speaker 10>It's a side of me that I have to.

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<v Speaker 9>Show up at work looking very.

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<v Speaker 10>Masculine, because I do have a side of me that

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<v Speaker 10>I tend to show differently with my friends that are

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<v Speaker 10>in the LGBTQ plus community, but not that I'm.

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<v Speaker 9>Comfortable to show in my workplace for my colleagues and

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<v Speaker 9>the civil and construction work here in Austin. I've always

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<v Speaker 9>wondered how much of a mental toll that takes for me.

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<v Speaker 9>I know some friends that have come out in their workplace,

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<v Speaker 9>but to me, that's something that I have to work

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<v Speaker 9>on and I had to kind of guard my heart

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<v Speaker 9>on that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's such an important point that Albert made about the

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<v Speaker 1>mental toll of hiding a part of yourself and having

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<v Speaker 1>to think about what you feel comfortable or safe telling

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<v Speaker 1>people about, and then you have to kind of consider

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<v Speaker 1>what does it take to kind of box yourself in

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<v Speaker 1>for one part of a day then try to retrieve

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<v Speaker 1>that part of you for the rest of it. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are people who never have to think about

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<v Speaker 2>these things. They move through their jobs, through life and

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<v Speaker 2>just are themselves. And there are folks that have to

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<v Speaker 2>constantly be policing themselves, like self policing and correcting and saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>let me not say this this way, let me not

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<v Speaker 2>dress this way, let me not talk in this certain way,

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<v Speaker 2>let me not talk about my experiences. Or if somebody says,

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<v Speaker 2>how is your weekend, Oh, I can't tell them what

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing because it is unique to my culture,

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<v Speaker 2>as unique to who I am as a person. And

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like, oh, they may treat me differently. All

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<v Speaker 2>of that psychology, all of those mental gymnastics that you

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<v Speaker 2>have to go through in order to just feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you are fitting in quote unquote and so that people

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<v Speaker 2>won't mistreat you is exhausting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the stem fill has a lot of room to

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<v Speaker 1>grow so that everyone can show up as their full selves.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the people that we heard from works on

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<v Speaker 1>this very issue. Let's turn it over to doctor Barthelmy.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm doctor Raman Barthelmi, and I'm an assistant professor of

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<v Speaker 11>physics and Astronomy at the University of Utah. I am

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<v Speaker 11>a physics education researcher conducting studies on the lives, experiences,

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<v Speaker 11>and careertories of LGBT plus physicists with a strong intersectional

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<v Speaker 11>focus on physicists who also might be people of color

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<v Speaker 11>or women. Currently, I am working on a social network

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<v Speaker 11>analysis project to understand how LGBT plus physicists at the

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<v Speaker 11>intersections of gender and race build and navigate their professional

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<v Speaker 11>networks to successfully launch and continue in their careers. This

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<v Speaker 11>is important knowledge to understand in order to support graduate

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<v Speaker 11>students and building robust and strong networks early in their

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<v Speaker 11>educations in order to find whatever their definition of successes

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<v Speaker 11>within their field. As a physicist, I truly believe that

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<v Speaker 11>this is a science that everybody can learn about and enjoy,

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<v Speaker 11>and I hope that I can improve it in some

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<v Speaker 11>small way.

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<v Speaker 2>I love what doctor Bartholomy had to say, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know that they said that they were going to be

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<v Speaker 2>improving the space in a small way. But those small

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<v Speaker 2>changes make a big difference in a lot of people's lives.

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<v Speaker 2>And just like all of the work that we've heard today,

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<v Speaker 2>these are all advances in spaces that are going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a large impact.

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<v Speaker 1>We've heard from so many wonderful scientists today, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're doing amazing work. They're making the feel better.

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<v Speaker 1>Like why would you want to exclude these folks?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I mean when you think about what is

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<v Speaker 2>missed out on when people are trying to deny folks

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<v Speaker 2>access to any type of community. But I'm having more

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<v Speaker 2>diverse populations within STEM and in every field. It creates

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<v Speaker 2>better product, it creates more advancements, and it also creates

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<v Speaker 2>an environment where more folks feel like they can be

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<v Speaker 2>a part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this lapl was all about amplifying queer voices. We

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<v Speaker 1>heard about astronomy, neuroscience, biodiversity, and entomology. I mean we

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<v Speaker 1>heard about it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and that is just a small taste of where

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<v Speaker 2>the queer community has impact. I feel like there are

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<v Speaker 2>so many resources online for you to learn more about

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<v Speaker 2>queer scientists and the work that they're doing. Like there's

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<v Speaker 2>an organization called five hundred Queer Science, and it provides

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<v Speaker 2>lists of queer people who are involved in STEM. But

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<v Speaker 2>then they also have a lot of studies that lets

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<v Speaker 2>you know some of the work that's being done and

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<v Speaker 2>where we still need to make improvements.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the thing to remember is with organizations

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<v Speaker 1>like five hundred Queer Scientists, or when you get on

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<v Speaker 1>social media like Twitter and Instagram where you're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>hashtag LGBTQ and STEM or LGBT and STEM. All of

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<v Speaker 1>these folks are doing the hard work of making STEM better.

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<v Speaker 1>And for all these people that you see, there are

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<v Speaker 1>people who aren't in these fields today because they were

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<v Speaker 1>hostile or exclusionary or you know, not nurturing folks that

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<v Speaker 1>feel just a little different from them. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to acknowledge that, and I think the people

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<v Speaker 1>that are still there weren't necessarily nurtured either, So we

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<v Speaker 1>have to really address, you know, the toll. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that everybody's like, oh, be resilient and stay persistent, be persistent, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like those things have a cost, right, It's not just resilience, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to show up here, exactly, even when I'm tired.

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<v Speaker 1>It is sometimes showing up in places where my whole

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<v Speaker 1>identity in person are not welcome. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole idea of being resilient and persisting is something

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<v Speaker 2>that is exclusive to people in marginalized communities. People from

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<v Speaker 2>the majority don't have to be resilient, don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>persist they are allowed to be themselves in every single space,

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<v Speaker 2>and that should be par for the course for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>We should be able to show up.

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<v Speaker 2>As we are, be who we are, and make the

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<v Speaker 2>impacts that we know that we can make on every

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<v Speaker 2>single space. And as much as we celebrate, you know

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<v Speaker 2>how far we've come and how far things have changed,

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<v Speaker 2>we also have to pay attention to the rollback of

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<v Speaker 2>rights right so that don't say gay Bill in Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>well started in Florida and now spreading to these other states,

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<v Speaker 2>and the potential of New Jersey proposing some build that's

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<v Speaker 2>even worse than the one in Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>To pay attention to, and just hope we you know,

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<v Speaker 1>STEM doesn't become a field that's just paying lip service

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<v Speaker 1>right to the marginalized communities.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, because sometimes it just is, you know, in vogue

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<v Speaker 2>for folks to say that they stand with the LGBTQIA

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<v Speaker 2>plus community, to put up the flag, to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>yes we're inclusive, but then they aren't really actually doing

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<v Speaker 2>the work. So you see the rainbows in June, you

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<v Speaker 2>see different corporations highlighting their queer employees, but then after June,

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of stops, and what we want to show

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<v Speaker 2>is that you have to continue that work outside of

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<v Speaker 2>Pride Month. You have to continue the amplification of queer

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<v Speaker 2>people of queer identities outside of June because they exist

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and sixty five days a year.

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