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Speaker 3: How about an extensive Carolina Panthers and jewelry sport? All

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Speaker 5: It's disrespectful.

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Speaker 1: The comment.

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Speaker 5: But the comment, brother, it's disrespectful. You know.

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Speaker 5: And I going to have a talk. Oh, I look

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Speaker 5: forward to that barrel lapse.

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Speaker 2: That'll be if you can get a reservation for Burns.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the best steakhouses in the country.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's salary thirteen.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's a good that's good for you. That's

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Speaker 1: a that's a huge blow out. Need it.

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Speaker 2: That's like a seven to nothing soccer score for you.

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Speaker 2: I was right on the thirty burger last time. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to be right on the forty steak this time.

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Speaker 2: It's not a burger It's a steak forty one ten Patriots.

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Speaker 2: For the second time this season, I am guaranteeing a

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Speaker 2: I'm guaranteeing a blowout forty one ten Patriots.

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Speaker 1: I was right on the thirty burger last time.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be right on the forty steak manifest

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Speaker 2: this time.

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Speaker 1: It's not a burger, it's a steak.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you're right, you're right.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday here at a Less Stadium, and we're

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Speaker 2: all a buzz because we're coming off a big win,

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Speaker 2: one of the best wins we've had just in terms

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Speaker 2: of fun in a long time, much needed home win

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Speaker 2: here at Jillette Stadium.

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Speaker 1: What was the score again, forty two to thirteen.

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Speaker 5: Something like that, very very close to what you pointed

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Speaker 5: at this something like.

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Speaker 1: That, something like that.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of good stuff coming

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Speaker 2: out of it, a lot of stuff we need to

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Speaker 2: work on, understandably, but everything is coming up roses right now.

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Speaker 2: And we're getting ready for the Bills. But we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about that win. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: what they need to work on. What were the good

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Speaker 2: things that came out of that game, notably Drake May

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Speaker 2: just continuing his progression I think, in my opinion, dominanding,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the league's taking notice.

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Speaker 2: I mean they've suddenly realized that we might have taken

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Speaker 5: So, Paul, you're not telling me things that I haven't

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Speaker 5: said in the past.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to go trying to get him to go,

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Speaker 2: but we'll get him going.

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Speaker 5: You pick one thing, we'll get there later.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's Duce, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Matt.

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Speaker 2: Now it's in the boat and uh, this is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: Uh So where do we start, I mean, Drake?

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Speaker 1: To start with Drake, Well, that's the biggest thing.

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Speaker 3: I Look, we don't expect to go to the super

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Speaker 1: Take a well maybe we're not there yet.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I'm not even saying that that's of positivity.

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Speaker 1: But this was the biggest thing for this season.

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Speaker 3: You need a quarterback in this league to compete and

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Speaker 1: Starting to push the ball down the field.

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Speaker 3: They're starting to make explosives, x'es, chunkies, whatever you want

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Speaker 1: This year, and so far they are not.

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Speaker 3: So far, I would just say last week they showed

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Speaker 1: It's got to continue. You can look forward down the line.

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Speaker 3: They're four more games against teams that haven't won a

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Speaker 2: You know, you started off last year with that great

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Speaker 2: that's hard to sustain the way they won that game.

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Speaker 2: I think what we saw on Sunday is sustainable. I'm

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Speaker 1: I think that's sustainable.

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Speaker 7: I mean, look, you can put the caveats out there

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Speaker 7: All four of these defenses so far are bottom half

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Speaker 7: And that's what Drake May has done. He's made three

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Speaker 7: He's third in the league right now and pass epa

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Speaker 7: And it started slow in week one where he had

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Speaker 5: I think three of his six catches were you know,

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Speaker 1: Five eight, not just the little underneath stuff.

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Speaker 5: You get the all downfield a little bit. I absolutely

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Speaker 5: You're seeing him make some plays. I think you're seeing

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Speaker 2: What the number of targets that he's thrown to dig

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Speaker 7: so he's catching everything that's being thrown his way. But

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Speaker 7: It was like they just because the same amount of targets,

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Speaker 7: Then that has the whole pecking order thing that we

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Speaker 5: have seen it like, you know, the first scoring drive,

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Speaker 5: Those are great, But at some point you use all

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Speaker 5: That's for another time. Okay, it was. It was actually

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Speaker 7: They did change his role, Like he didn't get the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean, like all the metrics support that

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Speaker 5: Well, the start is important, but I would also say

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Speaker 5: Sometimes it's just it's not that it's the everything sucks wrong.

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Speaker 5: The difference with Josh Allen is they're going to bake

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Speaker 5: But James Cook is really kind of the engine. Now,

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Speaker 7: The only reason why I brought it up is because

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Speaker 5: This is not this is not where the bar.

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Speaker 2: I know you say that, but teams just up up

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Speaker 5: So I totally agree, and if I want to stay consistent.

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Speaker 5: just said it. You can't lose this game. I agree,

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Speaker 5: I didn't say that going in. Yeah, but now when

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Speaker 7: Which is what you want to do. You wanted to

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Speaker 5: And I saw it. And my whole caveat all off

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Speaker 3: And that's like you get educated watching bad football and

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the throw to Hunter Henry that he had down

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Speaker 7: concepts that look the same but aren't exactly the same,

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Speaker 7: Like that's what good offenses do.

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Speaker 5: That's what that's how good offense.

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Speaker 2: And then the throw itself, even though it was a

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Speaker 2: short throw, it was a difficult throwing the other way.

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Speaker 5: You guys are talking about two different plays. Oh are

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Speaker 5: you talking about the one in the red zone like

446
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Speaker 5: by that he got stopped in the one I'm.

447
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Speaker 1: Talking about the one where he's rolling.

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Speaker 5: I thought you were talking about two different talking about

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Speaker 5: different plays. Oh yeah, I mean that one.

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Speaker 7: You know, those types of things in terms of like

451
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Speaker 7: the Henry's touchdown, Like I just I would love to

452
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Speaker 7: sit down with McDaniels and be like, where did where

453
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Speaker 7: did this come from? Because you can't run that with

454
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Speaker 7: Tom Brady. And that's not a knock on Brady. It's

455
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Speaker 7: just not his game, Like he's just not mobile enough

456
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Speaker 7: to get out of the pocket and make that kind

457
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Speaker 7: of throw. So this is all different type of stuff

458
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Speaker 7: that Josh is now installing with Drake may like that he.

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Speaker 1: Did learn something last year in his little college tour.

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Speaker 5: Maybe. I mean, I don't want to college offenses working

461
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Speaker 5: in the NFL sunk it.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to like speculate on where it came from.

463
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Speaker 7: But you know they're they're moving the pocket both in

464
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Speaker 7: the gun and from under center on the keepers, like

465
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Speaker 7: they're doing things that they just didn't do with Brady

466
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Speaker 7: and mac Jones, Like this just didn't exist and Cam

467
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Speaker 7: really couldn't do it because he didn't have He didn't

468
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Speaker 7: wasn't the thrower that you know he needed to be.

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Speaker 7: So you have all these different elements. You know, they're

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Speaker 7: running like they ran counter bash in this game, which

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Speaker 7: is you're gonna drop a counter bas Lamar Jackson's special

472
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Speaker 7: counter Bass that's right out of the Baltimore Ravens, like

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Speaker 7: you know, a playbook, Like that's not they were not

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Speaker 7: running counter bash in twenty eighteen with Tom Brady, Like

475
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Speaker 7: that's not, that's not that element of of the offense.

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Speaker 5: They have some counters and some bashes, but they didn't

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Speaker 5: run any counter bash.

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Speaker 7: Okay, counter bash quickly because you're all making fun of

479
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Speaker 7: me because I'm excited for once about the office.

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Speaker 3: It was a twitter was a cacophony of counter bash yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It was just it was like, Taylor is a counter bag.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so counter bashes is a design quarterback read right,

483
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Speaker 7: So they have Drake May reading the defensive end. If

484
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Speaker 7: the defensive end crashes, then he's going to keep the

485
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Speaker 7: football and run it himself. And the defensive end stays outside,

486
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Speaker 7: then he's going to hand the ball off.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 7: In this case, they actually inverted it not to get

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Speaker 7: too complicated.

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Speaker 5: So it's the other way.

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Speaker 1: So it's an option.

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Speaker 5: It's an option play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh, but you have the left guard and the left

495
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Speaker 3: tackle pulling right, and then you're well, that's the counter action.

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Speaker 7: That's the counter that's the counteraction. And now the coolest

497
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Speaker 7: part about the one the Patriots ran, which they're definitely

498
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Speaker 7: gonna come back to, is they actually snuck Hunter Henry

499
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Speaker 7: out on a route behind the pollers and so he

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Speaker 7: was wide open like for like a sixty yard touchdown.

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Speaker 7: If Drake May had kept the ball but he got

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Speaker 7: the give read, so he gave it to Travon Henderson.

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Speaker 7: But like that, that type of offense is just not

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Speaker 7: anything I've ever seen Josh McDaniels run before. So that's

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Speaker 7: all new to this iteration of the Josh McDaniels offense.

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Speaker 7: And it's really cool to see how he's adapted to

507
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Speaker 7: a different skill set at quarterback. And now you see

508
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Speaker 7: the efficiency is just off the charts with Drake may.

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Speaker 7: So the only cause for like a little concern that

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Speaker 7: I have is Paul's thing is like, once teams start

511
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Speaker 7: to figure out what they're doing, sure do they have

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Speaker 7: bcd F.

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Speaker 5: The stuff that on my show is they're putting up

514
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Speaker 5: Diggs's numbers because I think that that stuff that you

515
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Speaker 5: can rely on you can just beat you. That's you

516
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Speaker 5: can replicate that because he has the talent. And then

517
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Speaker 5: once you have that guy, it's like what Mike and

518
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Speaker 5: Evan was saying, you know, that makes Booty or Hollands

519
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Speaker 5: or these other guys more effective players. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: and hopefully you continue to build on those. The tight

521
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Speaker 5: ends have both been really good for you. So it's

522
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Speaker 5: not a great cast of skill position guys. But if

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Speaker 5: the quarterback is playing at a high level. It's good enough. Sure,

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Speaker 5: I mean, Mahomes would kill for the level that they have.

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Speaker 5: You know what Mahomes dealt with the first month of

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Speaker 5: the season.

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Speaker 7: And the pass protection, Like, the pass protection has been

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Speaker 7: to keep.

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Speaker 5: It to twenty attempts and you don't have to rely

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Speaker 5: on Will Campbell holding the edge forty five times like

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Speaker 5: you did in week one. Like it's a huge difference.

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Speaker 5: It's a huge difference.

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Speaker 7: And they've been doing some stuff to help the tackles,

534
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Speaker 7: you know, with chips and different things like that. So

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Speaker 7: you just see what a well coordinated offense looks like.

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Speaker 7: And it's just it's just a breath fresh air.

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Speaker 1: So it's a lot to talk about coming out of

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Speaker 1: the game. We're very excited.

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Speaker 5: Do you want to do this now? Do you want

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Speaker 5: to do it now? Deuce?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to might PSA?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You have a PSA yeah, yes, So I'm going to

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Speaker 1: set it.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to.

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Speaker 1: Read off.

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Speaker 5: So there's been a lot of talk about Stefan Diggs

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Speaker 5: and some sort of change in his usage. Okay, Diggs

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Speaker 5: has been in the slot a lot this season. In

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Speaker 5: the first three weeks, he was in the slot a lot. Okay,

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Speaker 5: in this particular game, Mike's gonna have some numbers for

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Speaker 5: you that tell you something was different. I will now

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Speaker 5: let Mike have the floor.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, Paul, I appreciate it. Hello everyone, patriots

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Speaker 3: of filtered listeners. I want to make sure you were

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Speaker 3: informed because there's a narrative out there right now that

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Speaker 3: moving Stefan Digs into the slot this week was the

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Speaker 3: magic sauce that suddenly allowed him to be successful. So

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Speaker 3: I went through and UH just charted some of the

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Speaker 3: numbers spread through the first four weeks. Uh the first

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Speaker 3: week and I'm gonna be wide and slot seventy percent wide,

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Speaker 3: twenty six percent slot. Second week forty percent wide, fifty

563
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Speaker 3: three percent slott little bump that week. Last week against

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh six WI twenty eight percent wide, seventy one percent

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Speaker 3: in the slot. So last week he played the most

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Speaker 3: slot snaps he's played, and then it became an air

567
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Speaker 3: of last week like they need to move Digs more

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Speaker 3: into the slot to have more success. Of course, he

569
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Speaker 3: only had one catch for eleven yards. Last week against

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Speaker 3: the Panthers, was nine snaps wide, seven in the slot,

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Speaker 3: and his big plays all came out wide. So for

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Speaker 3: the season it's been fifty two percent out wide, forty

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Speaker 3: five percent in the slot. He's not a slot receiver.

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Speaker 3: He's playing both inside and outside, and that is why

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Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs is so effective. His rise in snaps now

576
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Speaker 3: this was he played sixty three percent of the snaps

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Speaker 3: this week, which is his.

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Speaker 1: Highest total yet. So, as we've said, it's.

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Speaker 3: Been the increase in usage that I think has helped

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Speaker 3: him as he come back from an ACL I just

581
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Speaker 3: like these narratives that come out about there are numbers

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Speaker 3: that back it up.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't been more on the slot. And if you

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Speaker 1: were just to say, oh, he should only play in

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Speaker 1: the slot, I.

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Speaker 3: Think you'd be saying you're gonna reduce his usage because

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Speaker 3: you only want him out there when there's.

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Speaker 1: Three receivers, so you're gonna limit him, move him around.

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Speaker 3: That's what makes him great. I don't get this digs

590
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Speaker 3: in the slot thing, and it made me do it

591
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Speaker 3: made me do Paul research.

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Speaker 1: I like write stuff. I'm like, I'm writing stuff down,

593
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Speaker 1: but I got to come in. I gotta come with numbers.

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Speaker 1: I hope they not dolls are watching and listening learning.

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Speaker 3: So one of those things like somebody and then they

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Speaker 3: just repeats it without and I'm like, it's an underlie,

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Speaker 3: it's a disservice.

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Speaker 7: Like you said, the big plays down the field, we're

599
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Speaker 7: all having him run routes on the outside for the

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Speaker 7: most part, like either the back shoulder faide, like we

601
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Speaker 7: can all see.

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Speaker 5: It just bugs me, like that's that one in particular,

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Speaker 5: Like you guys know, I sort of push back against

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Speaker 5: you know, the film review and it's not my thing, okay,

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Speaker 5: but you don't have to be Evan to see a

606
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Speaker 5: back shoulder fade on fourth down right down the sideline

607
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Speaker 5: and then say, you see you get him in the

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Speaker 5: slot and there's no way that play could have been

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Speaker 5: from the slot.

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Speaker 2: Right, and plus we know that we're reserving that slot

611
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Speaker 2: position for Chisholm when he's read.

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Speaker 1: It.

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Speaker 5: Just really it just really bugs me. I mean, Diggs

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Speaker 5: has always been a guy who's been versatile. He can

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Speaker 5: be on the outside, he can be you know, in

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Speaker 5: the slot. He can you know, if you want to say,

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Speaker 5: you know a Z or a different kind of slot,

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Speaker 5: you know, the f like Evan explained last week, the

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Speaker 5: differences in those two things. He's a good player and

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Speaker 5: he has versatility to his game. Matt Collins at his

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Speaker 5: size can do some of those things too. He's been

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Speaker 5: an ex receiver a lot, but he's also has the

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Speaker 5: ability to sort of line up as a tight end

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Speaker 5: kind of and the inside the block and his.

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Speaker 2: Professional receivers they can run broccoli, they can run carrot,

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Speaker 2: they can they can.

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Speaker 1: Do it all.

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Speaker 3: But it kind of goes back to Julian Edelman and

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Speaker 3: that you know, oh, he's a slot like Wes Welker

630
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Speaker 3: and Edelman, I think takes exception.

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Speaker 1: Have you've talked to him about it. You know, he's that.

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Speaker 3: Zero receiver who they can move around and play off

633
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Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and he can motion inside and

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Speaker 3: you know that's where Stefan Diggs is going to be

635
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Speaker 3: most useful. So you know, trying to just limit him

636
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Speaker 3: into like, oh, the slot is where it's all going

637
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Speaker 3: to happen, I think that takes away from what Digs

638
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Speaker 3: can go.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not even getting into that argument whether or

640
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Speaker 5: not you think he can be effective there or that.

641
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Speaker 5: I'm talking about the people who came out of the

642
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Speaker 5: game Sunday and somehow thought that he made all those

643
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Speaker 5: plays from the slot, right, Like you just didn't watch.

644
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Speaker 7: I think the third and fifteen route was from the slot,

645
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Speaker 7: but the other two were definitely on the outside. And

646
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Speaker 7: like I said earlier, it's about how far down the

647
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Speaker 7: field they started targeting him in this game. That was

648
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Speaker 7: the difference to me, was the difference the air yards

649
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Speaker 7: doubled from the first three weeks.

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Speaker 2: They just see anything over five catches. Oh, how to

651
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Speaker 2: come from the slot, because that's where the volume come.

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Speaker 5: But that's what Like, I know that the Pittsburgh game

653
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Speaker 5: he had like one would you say one catch in

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Speaker 5: that game? What did you have the first game? You

655
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Speaker 5: have five catches for like thirty yards. Like the difference

656
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Speaker 5: is it's the same amount of catches, but it's but

657
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Speaker 5: three times the amount of yards.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean he had eighty nine yards from

659
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Speaker 3: out wide and twelve yards from the slot according to

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Speaker 3: Next Gen staffs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I looked up.

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Speaker 7: Like Mike Jackson is not a good player. The corner

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Speaker 7: that was covering him. But if Diggs's like pre acl

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Speaker 7: juices back and the vertical ability is back, Like it

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Speaker 7: was cool to watch and run routes like that. Again,

666
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Speaker 7: like I we didn't even really see that in so

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Speaker 7: much in training camp because I don't think that his

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Speaker 7: knee was was there yet, and so to see him

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Speaker 7: like actually separate from man coverage deeper down the field

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Speaker 7: and okay, like we can he still got that in

671
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Speaker 7: the tank. That's a really positive development. Like that's probably

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Speaker 7: one of the biggest things that came out of this game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, should we just.

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Speaker 3: Be saying too, like he's coming off an ACL and

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Speaker 3: the fact that he's even on the field this month

676
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Speaker 3: is kind of a positive to me when I assume

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Speaker 3: that maybe he was going to be limited. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Wes Welker twenty ten came back still a down year

679
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Speaker 3: for him production wise, so you know, just to simplify

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Speaker 3: it and say moving to the slot, it's like, no,

681
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Speaker 3: this guy's going to start to get healthier. I know

682
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Speaker 3: the comments we probably could talk about where he said

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Speaker 3: he was a five of ten comfortability in Josh's offense.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how exactly to take that. Rabel was

685
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Speaker 1: asked about.

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Speaker 5: It yesterday but didn't seem to care for that.

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Speaker 1: I think we're we're growing out. We have to get

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Speaker 1: it more.

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Speaker 3: I just wonder if it sounded more to me like

690
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Speaker 3: dig saying like I'm at a five of ten of

691
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Speaker 3: how effective I think I can be in this offense,

692
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Speaker 3: not like I only understand half the offense right now, you.

693
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Speaker 1: Know, like like he's he's just scratching the surface.

694
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Speaker 3: And I do think that there's some validity to that

695
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Speaker 3: where you're coming off in a cl you're in a

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Speaker 3: new offense.

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Speaker 1: You know, he had some experience with the verbiage with Stable,

698
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Speaker 1: but still I.

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Speaker 3: Just I think you're you're seeing an upward swing that's

700
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Speaker 3: a lot about a lot more than just moving.

701
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Speaker 1: Him into some all right good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Eight five five past five hundred is the Hotline podcast

703
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Speaker 2: at Patriots dot Com is the email address. We saw

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Speaker 2: our first look at rivalries uniforms last night with the

705
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Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins, and that was a tough game.

706
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Speaker 5: For them, and the Cardinals were those.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, Yeah, they lost Hill. A lot of

708
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Speaker 2: a lot of tough injuries this a week. I know

709
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: Paul thinks I root for injuries, but I'm driving home

710
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Speaker 2: Sunday night and I listened to the serious It's kind

711
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: of like an audio red zone that they do. I

712
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Speaker 2: do the same thing, and you know it's like I

713
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Speaker 2: was just like, oh, that's tough neighbors out, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Hearing all that stuff. It's not it's bad for the

715
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Speaker 1: Chargers offensive line.

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Speaker 7: Like how like when they get to the Giants story

717
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Speaker 7: they can't watch Belie Neighbors. Yeah, like I'm going to

718
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Speaker 7: be bored out of my mind.

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Speaker 5: But that's also part of you know, like, man, you

720
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Speaker 5: talk about two bad teams last night, you know, the

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Speaker 5: way the Jets and the Dolphins. So you kind of

722
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Speaker 5: looked at that and you're like, well there's still division teams,

723
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Speaker 5: like you know, maybe you split them, but now you've

724
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Speaker 5: got to get greedy and you look at those two

725
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Speaker 5: teams and how bad they looked last night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well the divisions are as if we want it.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking about the Dolphins, in the in the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Well there's there's there's like I feel like there's two

729
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Speaker 1: kinds of games left.

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Speaker 3: Maybe this is oversimplifying it, but there's games where you

731
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Speaker 3: really feel like they should win or you know, if

732
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Speaker 3: you don't beat yourself, you could win or should win.

733
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Speaker 3: And then there's the barometer how how good can you be?

734
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Speaker 3: Like this weekend, what can you do? Go in against Buffalo?

735
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Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna be all that upset if you drop one

736
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Speaker 3: up in Buffalo to the Bills. They're a great team,

737
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Speaker 3: but there's no pressure where thereas like this week against Carolina,

738
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Speaker 3: I feel pressure going in, Like, man, if they dropped

739
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Speaker 3: this one, like after that first drive when they went

740
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Speaker 3: right down the field on him, It's like, is this

741
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Speaker 3: this is it? This is what We're gonna be in

742
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Speaker 3: dogfights with these crappy teams. But you know, I look

743
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Speaker 3: forward to those measuring stick games. I think Baltimore will

744
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Speaker 3: be one down the road a little bit Campa Bay.

745
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Speaker 3: But there's not a lot. There's quite a few teams

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Speaker 3: that have only won zero or one game.

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Speaker 5: And one of the ones that everybody thought heading in

748
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Speaker 5: is no longer that Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 5: You know, you see what's happened to them without Borrow

751
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Speaker 5: and they weren't competitive.

752
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Speaker 1: Last be the best of the bad this year.

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Speaker 2: All right, here, let's hear what you have to say.

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Speaker 2: We'll start with Sean and Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

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Speaker 10: Hey, everyone, such a great week. It's so different in

756
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Speaker 10: the NFL because the league really requires that you work

757
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 10: together as a team, and we know the quarterback is

758
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Speaker 10: the most important position, but you can't really become a

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Speaker 10: franchise quarterback on your own It takes a lot of development,

760
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Speaker 10: It takes a lot of teamwork together and being there together.

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Speaker 10: I mean, if you look at the league, there's what

762
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Speaker 10: maybe five or six franchise quarterbacks right now that are established,

763
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Speaker 10: but less than twenty percent and over the history. I mean,

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Speaker 10: look at a guy like Jim Plunkett, took him what

765
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Speaker 10: they took the eighth year leap to become a franchise

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Speaker 10: quarterback team super Bowl, Yeah, with a new team with

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Speaker 10: the with the Raiders is thirteen. And you look at

768
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Speaker 10: players like Sam Darnold's and Baker Mayfield, they had to

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Speaker 10: move on for different teams and maybe they'll become franchise

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Speaker 10: quarterbacks now we still don't know, but they're doing well.

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Speaker 10: Look at twenty twenty one and there was five quarterbacks

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Speaker 10: taken in the first round. People are excited about that.

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Speaker 10: Maybe none of them become franchise quarterbacks. So that's why

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Speaker 10: it's so exciting about Drake may We don't know if

775
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Speaker 10: he will, but it looks like it could work. It

776
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Speaker 10: looks like we finally have the things that are coming together.

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Speaker 10: Like last year when he would make a big play

778
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Speaker 10: for a first down and then it was taken back

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Speaker 10: from a penalty like holding penalty the third and fifteen net.

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Speaker 1: Forget it.

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Speaker 10: They can't, they can't convert it. This year he has

782
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Speaker 10: that that twenty two yard reception that was a beautiful

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Speaker 10: reception by Diggs and you know we have we have

784
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Speaker 10: that now, so it's like, this is possible. But the

785
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Speaker 10: question I have is on that penalty that took it

786
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Speaker 10: back Henderson, like he was known in college as being

787
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Speaker 10: great at past protection. But I'm wondering if the speed

788
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Speaker 10: of the NFL is what his issue is, because it

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Speaker 10: looked like on that play the defender got to him

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Speaker 10: before he was ready it and they felt that.

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Speaker 2: It definitely it's the speed of the game. That's why

792
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Speaker 2: he's getting those holding calls. That's what happens when you

793
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Speaker 2: know you're you over extend because you beat you hold.

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Speaker 5: And Mike talked a little bit about that yesterday. He

795
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Speaker 5: was asked in the press conference and you know the

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Speaker 5: way he explained it, and I don't have the quote

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Speaker 5: in front of you, but talking about recognizing when he

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Speaker 5: needs to eliminate some of the space, like he's kind

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Speaker 5: of sitting back and waiting and then adjusting as opposed

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Speaker 5: to cutting down on that area between the one that

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Speaker 5: oncoming rushier and you know, sort of taking the fight

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Speaker 5: to him. So I think it's it's one of those deals.

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Speaker 5: Like I think maybe we underestimated just how difficult that

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Speaker 5: skill is, because he did come out by all accounts

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Speaker 5: with your right you know, a great reputation is a

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Speaker 5: pass protector, but it's it's a different animal, and I.

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Speaker 1: Do think he did it in a little bit.

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Speaker 5: And I do think the mental part of it is

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Speaker 5: it can't be under sold, like you're not exactly sure

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Speaker 5: which guy you're getting all the time. You're seeing much

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Speaker 5: more sophisticated did rush schemes than you did in college.

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Speaker 5: So I think a lot of that, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: is growing pains.

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Speaker 7: That to me is the biggest thing.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: They run a dual read system where the running back

817
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 7: is going to read off of two different guys and

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00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 7: take the nearest threat to the quarterback. So on the hold,

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Speaker 7: he's got an interior blitzer and he's got a guy

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Speaker 7: off the edge. When the interior blitzer drops into coverage,

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Speaker 7: he's got to get outside and block the guy that's

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Speaker 7: coming off the edge. And I think that that's why

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Speaker 7: he kind of was sort of sitting back almost like

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Speaker 7: in a pass set like he was a left tackle

825
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 7: to try to catch the guy was because he didn't

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Speaker 7: start with his eyes outside. He started with his eyes inside.

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Speaker 7: So it's just being able to adjust a little bit quicker,

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Speaker 7: see it a little bit faster because it goes so

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Speaker 7: quick in the NFL compared to college where the college game,

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Speaker 7: like to Paul's point, you're probably not seeing all these

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Speaker 7: different scheme pressures and guys dropping and guys blitzing from

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Speaker 7: different angles and things like that. So it's a it's

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Speaker 7: a much harder thing to do. But the other thing

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Speaker 7: that that Sean brought up that I was thinking about,

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Speaker 7: because now you know I'm on this high, you have Mahomes,

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Speaker 7: Alan Burrow, Jackson, There's that's a tier of its own,

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Speaker 7: that is the s tier of quarterbacks in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: You're not no one's arguing that how many quarterbacks do

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Speaker 7: you name that if you were starting a team today

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Speaker 7: that you would take over Drake May after that top

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Speaker 7: tier quarterbacks, because I don't think it's really that many.

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Speaker 5: Herbert maybe Herbert I agree, he would be one, But

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Speaker 5: starting a team today that I wouldn't have too many.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't especially after the start he's had, because you know,

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Speaker 5: the guys that I would say that are probably still

846
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Speaker 5: better than him now or you know, like my boy Stafford.

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Speaker 5: But I certainly wouldn't take him today over Drake May

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Speaker 5: if I had my choice of those two, right, you know,

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Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels, you know you six one a half dozen.

850
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Speaker 5: I said last year when Daniels was lighting it up

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Speaker 5: that I would still take May, and I stand by that.

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Speaker 5: I think he's more of a conventional quarterback. I don't know,

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Speaker 5: I don't know how many you would get to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to make one point off Evans.

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Speaker 3: Thing about Trevion is just you know, first of all,

856
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Speaker 3: which I think I said before, is that sometimes past

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Speaker 3: protection alone will keep a young running back off the

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Speaker 3: field for an entire first year. And second of all,

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Speaker 3: whenever asked about Ramandre Brabil always brings up he's our

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Speaker 3: most trusted past protector. So it's just such an important part.

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Speaker 3: And that's and that's a big reason why you can't

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Speaker 3: just bench him. And you know you need that skill

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Speaker 3: even if you're not putting the ball in his hands.

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Speaker 1: Dan's in California. What's up, Dan? What's up guy? Dan?

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Speaker 9: So I know Evan already like nerded out or over

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Speaker 9: the offense so.

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Speaker 1: He can do more's.

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Speaker 11: I'm sure he happy, But do you feel like this

869
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Speaker 11: Josh McDaniel's offense is different from the past just because

870
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Speaker 11: like you're seeing so much more motion jet sweep, you know, to.

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Speaker 9: Gibb and Henderson. I also was wanted to ask what

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Speaker 9: do you think the impact of Thomas Brown, the passing coordinator,

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Speaker 9: has had on this offense? And my second question is

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Speaker 9: is the you know the world doesn't really expect us

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Speaker 9: to go into Buffalo on Sunday, And I like what

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Speaker 9: what you said about you know, we're not really nobody's

877
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 9: expecting us to win. But if we do manage to

878
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 9: pull off an upset and Drake may delivers another strong performance,

879
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 9: would it be fair to put him in the MVP conversation?

880
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 9: And I don't think squ.

881
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, I mean based on I mean, well, how

882
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 3: does it look? First of all, Drake goes in there

883
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: and throws four touchdowns and no interceptions.

884
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: Again, like you know that week five, you got to

885
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: be at the you know, vying for the division. This

886
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: goes for any team. You have to be vying for

887
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: your division, for any of your players, to be considered

888
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: for MVP, the team has to have success for the

889
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: player to have value. In my opinion, especially that Yeah.

890
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 5: I would largely agree with you. It's just it's it

891
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 5: would be the fifth week of the season, right, it's

892
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 5: way too ready to talk about m vps. Drake May

893
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 5: has played an exceptionally high level through the first month.

894
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 5: You know, I'm happy with.

895
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: That, but I'd say watching some of Buffalo as we

896
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: get ready for Buffalo, like watch Josh Allen, Like there

897
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: is a difference right there still to me of the

898
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: kind of player he is, and Drake's played great, But

899
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 3: when you talk about MVP and you see all the

900
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: different things that Josh Allen does, getting his whole team involved,

901
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: carrying the ball when he has to, you know, I

902
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: think Drake could get there. But even initially in this

903
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: part of the season, I still see Josh Allen is

904
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: a little bit.

905
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 5: So does you know, we'll play it out. So let's

906
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 5: say the game unfolds and he outduels Josh Allen Sunday night.

907
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 5: So now it's a Fred's point. Go ten weeks ahead,

908
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 5: and now you know the Bills and the Patriots are

909
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 5: tied to top the AFC East at I don't know,

910
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 5: eleven and four. Yeah, now it's a conversation. But at

911
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 5: you know, week five, at three and two. No, he's

912
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 5: not an MVP candidate, But like Jayden Daniels, worked himself

913
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 5: into MVP consideration as a rookie lab year because the

914
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 5: team went twelve and five, right, and then you know,

915
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 5: he ended up being largely responsible for so many of

916
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 5: those wins. So he rightly inserted himself alongside Lamar Jackson

917
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 5: and Josh Allen. He didn't win it, he was behind

918
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 5: those two. Yeah, but if we're sitting here in December

919
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 5: and we're talking about the Patriots, there.

920
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: Was tangible evidence of his value.

921
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're talking about the Patriots vying for you know,

922
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 5: a division title and being in a playoff team. Yes,

923
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 5: Drake May is probably going to get consideration.

924
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

925
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: The other thing the caller mentioned was Dan in California,

926
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: Thomas Brown, passing coordinator, passing game coordinator. Like, I don't

927
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 2: know all the dynamics of how all this comes together,

928
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: but Vrabel was very quick to let everyone know during

929
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: his press conference on Monday about you know, how they

930
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: do it on first down, how they get together for

931
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: third down? They get together for Red Zone. You know,

932
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: I'm sure Thomas Brown is part of that.

933
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, So I think the biggest just if you

934
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 7: just look at it schematically, and this is speculation, like

935
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 7: I don't I don't know, but all the bootlegs and

936
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 7: stuff like that come right out of the Shanahan McVeigh playbook,

937
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 7: and Thomas Brown cut his teeth with Sean McVay in

938
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 7: the Rams in Los Angeles, So one would think that

939
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 7: they knew probably all along that they wanted to put

940
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 7: those things in. But having somebody from the inside that

941
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 7: knows it on the level like Thomas Brown, I'm sure

942
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 7: is influential in terms of how they're scheming it and

943
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 7: how they're dressing it up and that sort of thing.

944
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 7: So I don't know who had the grand idea of

945
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 7: putting in bootlegs. I'm sure they looked at Drake May

946
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 7: and that was probably a pretty.

947
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: Easy because pretty easy, right.

948
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 5: So then the next.

949
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 7: Step is is like, how are we going to schematically

950
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 7: design our keepers? And that's where I think Thomas Brown

951
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 7: might be able to help out a lot because of

952
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 7: his experience in that offense.

953
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: You know that, It's another thing I feel good about

954
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: for you Edis. I remember we were talking about hiring

955
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: coaches and stuff, and you were like, no, you got

956
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: to hire an offensive coach because you get a coordinator

957
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 3: who's the hot shot and he does well and he's

958
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: gonna leave. And I'm like, Josh is here for a

959
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: little while, Like, you know, there's a lot to cook

960
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 3: with with him, and I'm not really worried about him

961
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: jumping ships. So seen some people talk about this could

962
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: be the start of a long, beautiful relationship with these

963
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: two guys.

964
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: Jayson Tampa. What's up, Jay?

965
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 5: That's nice? Hey, what's up guy, Petrol Optimist.

966
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 6: So a lot of people have been calling into the

967
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 6: show the last couple of weeks asking about what there

968
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 6: is to do in Tampa for the Patriots first Bucks game. Yeah.

969
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: I am the.

970
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 6: President of the Tampa and New England Patriots fan clubs.

971
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 6: I feel like I have some experience.

972
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: I think I met you right, Jays.

973
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 5: Thank you for your service, Yeah president.

974
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 6: Thank you?

975
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 12: Yes?

976
00:44:58,760 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.

977
00:44:59,440 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 13: Thanks.

978
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 6: So I just want to let everybody out there in

979
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 6: the PU world know we actually just got done working

980
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 6: with you guys with your fan engagement team. So shout

981
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 6: out to Jeff, Jen and Tommy. We are going to

982
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 6: be hosting the Patriots Fan road Rally down here in Tampa.

983
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 6: So that will be Saturday, November eighth, from seven to

984
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 6: nine pm at a location called Sunset Rodeo, which is

985
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 6: in the Soho District of Tampa. So we'll have Patriots

986
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 6: alumni there, we'll have the cheerleaders there, we'll have the

987
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 6: mascot there. Starge will be there. So yeah, so it's

988
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 6: gonna be a whole big event.

989
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 5: Like you should be there.

990
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 14: Yeah, So I'll just.

991
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: Maybe after burns, I'll come by.

992
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 7: I can't afford it.

993
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 6: You know, you weren't invited last year in the Nashville.

994
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 6: I want to make sure. Yeah, I want to make

995
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 6: sure everybody is out there listening that you are invited.

996
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 6: It's a free event. And then Sunday night after the game,

997
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 6: we actually have a band coming down, Dalton and the

998
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 6: Sheriffs from Boston. Same venue as Sunset Rodeo. We're doing

999
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 6: a postgame concert there as well. So wow, if anybody

1000
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 6: has yeah, if anybody has any questions about what they

1001
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 6: do in Tampa, they can find us Tampa Patriots Faint Club.

1002
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 6: Just google us. All their socials will come out. They

1003
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 6: can message us and We're glad to get recommendations.

1004
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: That's awesome, Jay.

1005
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: Thanks Jay, thanks for the wiki for your associated Thanks Jay, Yeah,

1006
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: I can't wait.

1007
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: It's always great to hear when fans are doing that

1008
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: on the road.

1009
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 3: I missed that stuff. I missed going to those things.

1010
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: I always remember the why I went to in Seattle

1011
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: that you guys were.

1012
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: I saw you, there's Fred, but it's I don't know.

1013
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: I well, they didn't they not have enough bartenders.

1014
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: They left so much money on the table that night

1015
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 2: because they couldn't get to people like people were just.

1016
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 5: Like brow, please take my money.

1017
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: I didn't want to drink, and they didn't have enough

1018
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: bartenders and service people.

1019
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: I just I equated to like going to church.

1020
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, at a random place and you

1021
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: just walk in and it's like my people here, they are,

1022
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: you know, and you'll instantly have this connection with everybody.

1023
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: It's one of the things I love most about being

1024
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: a Patriots blogger. We all have our different angles of

1025
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: how we approach things, and that's where I came from,

1026
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 3: and I love.

1027
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 4: It.

1028
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 7: A couple of times I had to work most of

1029
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 7: the time so I couldn't but when they play on

1030
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 7: Thursday nights. I didn't have to work Thursday nights, so

1031
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 7: I did go to Sunny's Best, Like.

1032
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: I moved out there.

1033
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 3: You're a little homesick, and then you just walk in

1034
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: and there's just all Patriot fans and it's a lot

1035
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: of fun. Don't sit there. This guy, he sits there.

1036
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: I think I said before. There was a guy who

1037
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: always would have like the late first down call, so

1038
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: it was like another Patriots first down, and the whole

1039
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: Patriots bar would go first down.

1040
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: And then there was one guy. His thing was.

1041
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: Furst down like he'd do it a little later than

1042
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: everyone else, So don't step on it. But you know,

1043
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 3: it's like halftime free raffles, and I I just love.

1044
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 7: Patriots Texans. The Jacoby Brissette Thursday night game.

1045
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 5: I watched that one, and.

1046
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: Those things don't happen without people like Jay Yeah, who

1047
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: you know, in his free time, Barry and Yeah, volunteers

1048
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: to organize all that stuff, make phone calls, send out emails.

1049
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: It's good stuff. And there's people all over the world

1050
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: Patriots fans that do that, and it's not easy to

1051
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: do speed it's easy to do when.

1052
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: They're in the Super Bowl.

1053
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: The sc championship every year, like the people that are

1054
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: still dedicated.

1055
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: Through the downtimes. You know, a lot of shout outs

1056
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: to those people.

1057
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 2: And remember, if you want to find out if there's

1058
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 2: a club near you, you can go to Patriots dot

1059
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: com into the fan Zone section the fan club Registry.

1060
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: You just type in a zip code or a city

1061
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: and any clubs in the vicinity will pop up and

1062
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: you'll have the contact information that you can get in

1063
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: touch with. Or if you want to start your own

1064
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: fan club, you can also register a fan club right

1065
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: there on Patriots dot com. So good stuff. One more

1066
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: call then we'll take a break. I'm hungry Brian's and Lowell.

1067
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 2: What's up, Brian?

1068
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 8: Hey, what's up?

1069
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: Hey?

1070
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 8: I love calling you guys every week.

1071
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: We love having you call.

1072
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 8: Okay, it's pretty good at buccan zalas his next debut,

1073
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 8: his nice return to Sunday.

1074
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 1: Yes, it was good to see him. Yep.

1075
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 15: I was so high about so.

1076
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 8: I was so ecstatic when I watched the game, like, oh,

1077
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 8: it's like finally that speech we needed three weeks ago.

1078
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 15: We would be undefeated.

1079
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 8: If he was playing three weeks ago, you know what

1080
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 8: I mean, Pittsburgh.

1081
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: But he played.

1082
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 8: He played the whole game, So that's good sign. Play

1083
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 8: a whole game. Well, no issue, So it's good to go.

1084
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 8: Now now we're on the buffalo. We are on the bills,

1085
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 8: so I think we get all the momentum, so which

1086
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 8: is a good thing.

1087
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 15: So go to buffalo. That's gonna be I one.

1088
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 5: We all know that, sure do.

1089
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thanks Brian, appreciate the call. All right,

1090
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: he uses his one call for us. All right, that's

1091
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: gonna so let's take a break. So let's take a break.

1092
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 2: We'll come back. We got a lot of emails. I'm

1093
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: just looking at some of the subject lines. Maybe some

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Speaker 7: I was just wondering what you thought of Christian Gonzalez.

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Speaker 14: I thought it was good. I thought it was okay

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Speaker 14: for him to you know, good for good to be

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Speaker 14: that he was able to put a full work in

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Speaker 14: there and have confidence and playing and conditioning and all

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Speaker 14: those things that are positive.

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Speaker 12: Working with Josh Daniels and farm say so with the

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00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 12: job he did last week and yesterday.

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Speaker 14: Well it's not only John. I mean I I you know,

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Speaker 14: I enjoy working with Josh Ien were joy working with

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00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 14: the entire offensive staff. It's it's good coaches on that side.

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00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 14: There's a lot of collaboration, and I like kind of

1154
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 14: where we are from an efficiency standpoint, just trying to

1155
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 14: you know, to work ahead and be detailed and you know,

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00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 14: making sure that you know, everybody is doing their roles

1157
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 14: and assignments. And yeah, we worked a run game and

1158
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 14: then kind of Josh and Thomas and Todd and Ashton

1159
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 14: will work some of the passing game, and you know

1160
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 14: when it goes to third down, and then we all

1161
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 14: get together on red zone. And those things certainly paid

1162
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 14: off last week. So you being able to marry some plays,

1163
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 14: and when you can convert and you can strength some

1164
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 14: drives together or some plays together, then things look alike.

1165
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 14: And then that all compliments. We've talked about that before.

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Speaker 14: And when you just live in a three and out

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Speaker 14: world and you're not extending drives, it's hard to marry

1168
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Speaker 14: those plays. Touchdown throw punter Henriett after, how much does

1169
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 14: Drake's ability to throw on the move and throw from

1170
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Speaker 14: some different opagels for you in that stad well to

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00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 14: be able to extend plays, move the pocket and get

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Speaker 14: you know, move the launch point. He is critical and

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Speaker 14: you know those plays as have helped us, and he's

1174
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Speaker 14: he's done a good job with him.

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Speaker 2: Like giving Remandre to carry on the first play in

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00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: the game, and I think he had the most snaps

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Speaker 2: among the run master.

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Speaker 5: Was that intentional about you guys, No.

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Speaker 14: Not intentional other than that he's, you know, our first

1180
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 14: second down back. He's the best protector and you know,

1181
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 14: it was good to see him being able to to

1182
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 14: break one there. And if we finish one more guy

1183
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 14: probably scores. So you know, again we're going to keep

1184
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 14: practicing ball security with every single player. And there's a

1185
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 14: lot of really good examples of guys protecting the guy

1186
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Speaker 14: with the ball, which I believe and I know is

1187
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Speaker 14: critical to our six. And you know, I think it

1188
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Speaker 14: was just good for us to play good, clean game overall.

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Speaker 12: After the game, you've given acknowledgement to pop about this

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Speaker 12: for for his block specifically on the other Henry touchdown stuff,

1191
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Speaker 12: as plucks with them to the last couple weeks up

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Speaker 12: blocking wandering if you could speak to the importance of

1193
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Speaker 12: blocking that that position and hell can maybe be an differentiator.

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Speaker 14: Well, when you don't block safeties in the National Football League,

1195
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Speaker 14: they make the tackle and not only do they make

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Speaker 14: the tackle, they usually inflict some sign of you know,

1197
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Speaker 14: blow delivery. You know they're not going in there uh lightly.

1198
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Speaker 14: And so again that's the idea that it's not that

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Speaker 14: we need receivers that that are out there with neck

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Speaker 14: rolls on, and you know, they have to be multifaceted

1201
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Speaker 14: and be able to execute the things that we need

1202
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 14: them to do in the past game. But also when

1203
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 14: when there's opportunities to go find people to block, they

1204
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 14: have to do that as well. And I think when

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Speaker 14: the more that we can show them that it leads

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Speaker 14: to extra yards and it leads the X plays and

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Speaker 14: it leads the touchdowns, that the more that they're believing

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Speaker 14: in it and buying into it. And I think that

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Speaker 14: there's great examples, especially yesterday on the tape of us

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Speaker 14: doing that.

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Speaker 17: Williams said, this really felt like that the Panthers were

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Speaker 17: trying to keep the defensive line out of the game.

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Speaker 14: Jersey saw the same thing. I mean, the ball came

1214
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 14: out quick, and you know that, you know, I thought that,

1215
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Speaker 14: you know, our ability to you know, affect the quarterback

1216
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 14: from a standpoint of inaccuracy and efficiency was good, and

1217
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 14: you know, we could start talking about not giving the

1218
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 14: rush lanes, which I thought was a key, especially on

1219
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 14: third down his ability previously to extend those things. So

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00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 14: you know, I think there's there's ways the factor and

1221
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 14: guys you know did at times factor, but you know

1222
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 14: we didn't. We didn't allow you know, Bryce the easy

1223
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 14: yards out of the pocket that we had seen previously.

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00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 14: So I think that was a positive.

1225
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: What do you see from Christian Barmore?

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00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 13: And how is this plan that you've had for him

1227
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 13: leading up the games where it seems like we one

1228
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 13: day he's not practicing. How is how's that leading to

1229
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 13: whatever you're skiing?

1230
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 14: Well, I mean he's he's doing a lot of work

1231
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 14: and he's getting a lot of practice time in and

1232
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 14: you know, I mean there may be a day where

1233
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 14: he's limited throughout the week, but you know, I see

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00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 14: a disruptive player. We just know he wants to be

1235
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 14: able to to finish some of those plays. He's drawed

1236
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 14: some holding penalties. I think there was another one that

1237
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 14: probably wasn't called and you know, hit the quarterback and

1238
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 14: you know he got close. And so again, keep working

1239
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 14: and I know, you know, trying to keep him from

1240
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 14: getting frustrated about you know, what what goes down on

1241
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 14: the stat sheet, But causing penalties and and being able

1242
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 14: to still be disruptive will help us. And then then

1243
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 14: that's also lead to him, you know, finishing some of

1244
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 14: those plays and getting some of those tackles for loss

1245
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 14: or sacks that he that he wants that all defensive

1246
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 14: lineman on Mike.

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00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 17: As good as everything was yesterday, it was the second

1248
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 17: straight game we kind of a slow start in the

1249
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 17: first quarter with its penalties and things on both sides football.

1250
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 17: How concerned are you about those slow starts.

1251
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 15: And can you put your finger.

1252
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 5: On maybe what's going on there?

1253
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 14: No, I mean, we want to start fast, and if

1254
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 14: we don't, I mean there's a lot of game left.

1255
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 14: So there's games where we started fast and you know

1256
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 14: gave up some you know, some yards after that or

1257
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 14: whatever it may be. You know, just being ready to go.

1258
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 14: It just sounds so you know, again adjusting quickly to

1259
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 14: what they're doing offensively, I mean what they're doing to us,

1260
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 14: you know when we're on a defense, you know, moving

1261
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 14: parts and just settling down, probably just settling down on

1262
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 14: their script and saying, hey, these are these are new

1263
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 14: formations that they hadn't previlegedly shown or these are new motions.

1264
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 14: They let's settle down and then make a stop. And

1265
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 14: some of that, you know, it is our own doing.

1266
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 15: Uh.

1267
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 14: Some of it was you know, some new scheme plays

1268
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 14: and then you know, I mean I'm trying to think

1269
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 14: here the special teams. You know, I thought we we

1270
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 14: did okay, we had you know, a hold forty yards

1271
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 14: from the ball. We covered the exactly what we talked

1272
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 14: about with the dirty kick and being able to you know,

1273
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 14: put those guys in a position to field it had

1274
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 14: a good return, you know, just unfortunately that that they

1275
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 14: called the penalty that they did offensively had a shot

1276
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 14: at the first third down, you know, didn't go that way,

1277
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 14: didn't hit it, timing everything else. So you know, whether

1278
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 14: we start faster, we don't, We're still going to have

1279
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 14: to be really good for the rest of the you know,

1280
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 14: three and a half quarters or whatever it ends up being.

1281
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 14: And uh, you know, we'll keep working towards that and

1282
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 14: keep making that a priority. But I did like the

1283
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 14: fact that we answered and like we talked about, just

1284
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 14: takes one play and it happened to be Marcus's yesterday,

1285
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 14: and everything kind of took off from there.

1286
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Speaker 5: And now great moments in history.

1287
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 17: I believe they were not in pads, right, l Yeah, pads,

1288
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 17: which you always ask every Wednesday, and then finally the

1289
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 17: answer changed and you weren't here.

1290
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: So do you think they will not be in pads

1291
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: all week? Or will they be in pads today?

1292
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 7: I think they were in in in pads, but not

1293
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 7: like full pads yesterday. I think it was light pads,

1294
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 7: but I have to double check on That's even better

1295
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 7: because I know, I like, now I'm doubting myself a

1296
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 7: little bit.

1297
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we noticed too in the locker room, Mac had

1298
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 3: on one of the scuba hats, so it seemed like

1299
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: he's trying to.

1300
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Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of the players, that's true. See, like,

1301
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 7: if you were here, you would have asked these questions

1302
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 7: and we would have told the listeners about these things.

1303
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 7: I like, you feel attacked and what the mood was

1304
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 7: supposed to do?

1305
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 5: No, he did. He asked all the requisite questions. We

1306
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 5: were upset that you weren't here to hear the answer. Yeah,

1307
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 5: I know we would have gotten to this point. A

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Speaker 5: lot did a good job.

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Speaker 7: A lot of the players are wearing like sweatshirts or

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Speaker 7: layers underneath their their their practice outfits because the heat

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Speaker 7: they want to they wanna be hot, be hot because

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Speaker 7: of Miami.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha.

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Speaker 5: Huh, that's it.

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Speaker 7: That's your recap of yesterday's I wonder.

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Speaker 2: If that translates because when you were in Miami, the

1317
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Speaker 2: heat comes from the sun right outside rather than coming internally.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a different type of hot. Yea, I think

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Speaker 1: still hot, though.

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Speaker 5: Where did the heat come from?

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Speaker 1: Another places? That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 2: All right back here on Patriot's Unfiltered eight five five

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Speaker 2: pasts five hundred is the hotline podcast at patriots dot com.

1324
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Speaker 1: Is the way to email us.

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Speaker 5: No more full pads at practice, No more full had practice.

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01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 5: Freddy was very upset we had this.

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Speaker 7: Rabel was asked about this a couple of weeks ago,

1328
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 7: and I don't think it was last thing two weeks ago,

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01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 7: and he actually said that he doesn't see the difference

1330
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Speaker 7: between shells in full pads because they're not going to

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01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 7: be cutting, as he's put it, in practice, so they're

1332
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Speaker 7: not going to be hitting each other's legs in practice,

1333
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 7: so they about upper body pads of the shoulder pads

1334
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 7: to him, is the same as being in full pads.

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Speaker 1: If you're not going to tackle. I guess it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that was.

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Speaker 1: I'm not happy with that.

1338
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 2: I think there should be we need some tackling going

1339
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 2: on in practice because we're having we're we're low in

1340
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Speaker 2: the stats and tackling.

1341
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Speaker 7: So you want them to tackle to the ground.

1342
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: And yes, and I'm.

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01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 2: Not saying like goal line, we're talking about it after

1344
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: the game. Like the cone drill where you're one on one,

1345
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: I want to bring the guy to the ground.

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01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 5: Okay, it's around Oklahoma drills. I hear what you're saying.

1347
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 7: I don't think I highly do any of the thirty

1348
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 7: two teams do that.

1349
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: This timing maybe I don't agree with it.

1350
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair.

1351
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're not tackling.

1352
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 7: Well, it is an interesting and this is not really

1353
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 7: the point right now, but if you're not going to

1354
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 7: play anybody in preseason and you're not going to tackle

1355
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Speaker 7: to the ground in training camp at all, like the

1356
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 7: patriotsdn't tackle to the ground a single day in training camp,

1357
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 7: and then the starters barely played in the preseason. So

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01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 7: stands the reason the first month of the season you

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01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 7: can't tackle.

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Speaker 1: Well, but not but that goes for every team, right.

1361
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Speaker 7: Well, some teams might treat it differently. Some teams might tackle.

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Speaker 1: To the ground in practice or play in the preseason.

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Speaker 7: Or play in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: I just think interesting. You have to practice what you

1365
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: play right, and tackling is a big part of one

1366
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: of the most important parts. I know, I get it.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it.

1368
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Speaker 3: It's one of the casualties of the new rules reducing,

1369
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 3: you know, for player safety, and that's I think something

1370
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: that's suffered.

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Speaker 1: I know, more players hopefully healthy and avoiding.

1372
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 3: More concussions and that kind of stuff, like line depth,

1373
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 3: it's been a little better.

1374
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 7: I think what we did, you know, not to make excuses,

1375
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 7: but Miami's skill group is is just really good.

1376
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 5: Like that's really hard.

1377
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Speaker 7: Like a Chan's breaking tackles last night, just the same

1378
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 7: way he was breaking tackles against the Patriots a couple

1379
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 7: of weeks ago. He's just a really good player. But

1380
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 7: it's been an issue.

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01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: Let's go to the emails.

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01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 2: Curtis and Saint Louis writes in what a game beautiful

1383
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: job is always on the postgame show. I agree with

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Speaker 2: everything you said. We all know Carolina isn't a very

1385
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: good team this year, or at least thus far, but

1386
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 2: to win in that fashion, putting that I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know what he's talking about.

1388
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 2: Anyway, If I'm vable in stretch and Wolf, I'm getting

1389
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: on the phone and I'm making offers to teams to

1390
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: try to require a big play wide receiver. I know,

1391
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: I know, why would teams trade their guys? The Patriots

1392
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 2: are still building and afar from contending. I don't care.

1393
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: I want Drake to be that guy and that difference maker.

1394
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 2: So rather sooner rather than later, helped build him and

1395
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: develop him. I'm calling Philly. I know, why would they

1396
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 2: trade Brown? They're four and zero Cincinnati. I'm okay, But

1397
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 2: so his point is he wants to get a big

1398
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 2: time receiver or you know, a semblance of a w

1399
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Speaker 2: R one right away.

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Speaker 7: We might have a semblance of one.

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Speaker 5: I don't dis miss Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Which one? Yeah, I mean, like, this is what you

1403
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 3: have to do. You have to be aggressive. I'm on

1404
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 3: board with this. I don't know if it would happen,

1405
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 3: but this is where you have to find Like when

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01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,959
Speaker 3: opportunity strikes and the team's having an off season, which

1407
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 3: the Eagles aren't, but you know, and somebody becomes available,

1408
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 3: this is the time to strike.

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Speaker 5: I don't think a J. Brown is becoming available now.

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01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 5: I could be proven wrong on that, but this maybe

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01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 5: a week or two away for Cincinnati saying he's last year.

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Speaker 5: You know it was a one year deal, right, I

1413
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 5: mean he's going to be a free and again, I

1414
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 5: don't think what you can. Don't think it's out of

1415
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 5: the roma possibility that they say, you know, we had

1416
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 5: a lot of aspirations this year. It didn't work out. Unfortunately,

1417
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 5: the quarterback went down. We'll get something for him and

1418
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 5: move on.

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Speaker 3: Then, with Digs in the slot perfectly. I'd like to

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01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 3: joke about the soft but he would pit well. I

1421
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 3: mean you could see the need for the player, just

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Speaker 3: a good player.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys watched any of that

1424
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 5: plays down the sideline, he's.

1425
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Speaker 1: Just like, yeah, I mean, Ted's just a Ted reminding him.

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Speaker 5: But that's the big He had a big one taken

1427
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 5: away too for like one of those garbage alignment penalties

1428
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 5: that had nothing to do with it, had nothing to

1429
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 5: do with the play. Yeah, I would take I would

1430
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 5: take T Higgins and I think there's a chance that

1431
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 5: Cincinnati would be willing to deal them. Okay, I would

1432
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Speaker 5: take him.

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Speaker 7: I'm not saying I wouldn't, but there is something nice

1434
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 7: about how every week so far it's been somebody different

1435
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 7: that has stepped up for the Patriots, like week one's Booty,

1436
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 7: Week two is Remandre, week three as Hunter Henry, week

1437
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 7: four Stefon Diggs, and they have really good balance right now. Now,

1438
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 7: that doesn't mean that a number one ride receiver can't help.

1439
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that, but I just know that there's

1440
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 7: certain quarterbacks when you talk to those guys, when they

1441
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 7: feel forced to get a certain player of the football

1442
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 7: and so then they start to kind of get pressure

1443
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 7: from inside, pressure from outside. Like in Philadelphia right now,

1444
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,919
Speaker 7: you have to imagine that we got to get AJ

1445
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 7: Brown going, We got to get AJ Brown going, but

1446
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 7: they got to get AJ Brown going, right, Yeah.

1447
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Speaker 5: They targeted him nine times. Yeah, and they only only

1448
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 5: had two connections. So clearly Jalen Hurst is fling it

1449
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 5: to AJ Brown, and you know, they got a lot

1450
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 5: of static. I mean, we don't turn this into a

1451
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 5: Philly segment, but they got a lot of static because

1452
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 5: there was just no creativity to what they were doing.

1453
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 5: I mean against the Rams the week before. I evidently

1454
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Speaker 5: AJ Brown was a big part of that second half comeback.

1455
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I love AJ Brown. I mean he's

1456
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 3: one of my favorite players in league. I would love

1457
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 3: to bring him here. But does it give you any

1458
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 3: pause of him kind of being a pain in the

1459
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 3: ass when they're four and oh no, and it's you

1460
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 3: know it would do it.

1461
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Speaker 1: Posting on social media.

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Speaker 5: I think this, it's the age old thing. You did

1463
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 5: this with Diggs, Deuce like you know me.

1464
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 3: I know you don't know, but I love az Brown

1465
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 3: like I love Brown in a way that even more.

1466
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 7: Now Diggs is here and you've embraced him.

1467
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: I am very much to see his thing.

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01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 2: It's another reason to root against the Bengals, and I

1469
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 2: like that Austin and Oklahoma rights. And I'm currently unable

1470
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 2: to guarantee a win against Buffalo, but I will guarantee

1471
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Speaker 2: that if the Patriots beat the Bill's Sunday, the window

1472
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 2: is officially closed and the Patriots are back in their

1473
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 2: rightful place at the top of the division and will

1474
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: host a home playoff game this year. So it's all

1475
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 2: hinging on a win against Buffalo in Week five and

1476
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 2: Week five okay, to.

1477
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 5: Get within a game of first place.

1478
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 3: Like it No, but I mean it might be asking

1479
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 3: a lot for a win, but I think there are

1480
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 3: quite a few different outcomes that you could come out

1481
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 3: of this game feeling positive about, you know, the trajectory

1482
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 3: to the team. And you know, we really haven't talked

1483
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 3: at all about the defensive side of the ball, and

1484
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 3: to me, that's my biggest concern this week going against

1485
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 3: that offense with some of the concerns we've seen with

1486
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 3: this defense covering tight ends, handling running backs who can catch.

1487
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 3: You know, I think this is right now kind of

1488
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 3: a tough matchup for the Patriots, and I'd say going

1489
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 3: forward into the offseason next year, there needs to be

1490
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 3: probably if it continues to look like it has with

1491
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 3: these specific facets of the Patriots defense, it's it's going

1492
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 3: to be something they have to figure out because you've

1493
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 3: got to get through Buffalo and you have to have

1494
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 3: a way to deal with those guys Kincaid, Knox, James Cook.

1495
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: I think right now you've got some players to handle

1496
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 1: some wide receivers.

1497
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 5: But do you think defensively they potentially are set up

1498
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 5: a little bit better to deal with that offense. You know,

1499
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Speaker 5: I'm a big part of it's going to be their

1500
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 5: run defense, which as we've talked about. I think has

1501
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 5: been pretty good. You know, for the most part, I

1502
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 5: don't think it was as good at this game as

1503
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 5: it was the first three. But I think it's been

1504
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 5: pretty good. But you have guys you don't have to

1505
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 5: sort of sell out to get pressure. They've gotten some

1506
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 5: pressure with far More and and Landry. I don't know,

1507
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 5: they might be they might be able to flood some

1508
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 5: coverage zones in this game. I don't think that the

1509
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 5: Bills receiving corps is they're a lot like the Patriots.

1510
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 5: They have, you know, a bunch of guys that can

1511
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 5: make catches, but they don't have anybody that's really great.

1512
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 3: No, and that's I mean, as good as Josh Allen is.

1513
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 3: Like I almost find myself being more concerned with James

1514
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 3: Cook and just how the Patriots playing. You know, I

1515
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 3: think they play eighty percent nickel now, so they're playing light.

1516
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a Kyle Duggar kon of game. Maybe you

1517
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 3: put him into the mix a little bit more trying

1518
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 3: to deal with with Cook, but he's a big problem.

1519
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: First down, they're.

1520
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 3: Going to hand the ball off to him under center,

1521
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 3: and he's going to make plays. I mean he's you know,

1522
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 3: a top two or three back right now by most metrics,

1523
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 3: So you know, it's weird to say, oh, I'm not

1524
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 3: worried about Josh Allen.

1525
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a huge problem.

1526
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 3: But I just don't know what this Patriots run defense

1527
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 3: truly is, especially when they say we have to stop

1528
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 3: the run.

1529
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, they you know, and I don't know if they can.

1530
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 3: Sell out to stop it, because then it's Josh Allen nightmare.

1531
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 3: So stopping the run not a nickel and figuring out

1532
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 3: you know, maybe it is a little more Tonga or

1533
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 3: something like that, But that, to me is where the

1534
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 3: game plan kind of has to start.

1535
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: First down, figuring out how you can contain Cook.

1536
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 7: Yeah he's cook right now? Is like he's he's really good.

1537
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 7: I mean, the fact that they can get under center

1538
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 7: and just run the ball at you now in Buffalo

1539
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 7: is why their offense is the most efficient in the league. Like,

1540
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 7: Allen's great, he's the MVP, but their ability to just

1541
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 7: you know, do paulicing conventional, turn it around and hand

1542
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 7: the ball off to the running back like that has

1543
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 7: really balanced out their offense. So now it's not as

1544
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 7: volatile as it was. A couple of years ago, or

1545
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 7: it's you know, Haymakers back and forth with Alan, but

1546
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 7: he would make some mistakes and you would, you know,

1547
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 7: be able to win some rounds on him. I just

1548
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 7: wonder with their receivers and with this whole offense, a

1549
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 7: lot of teams are just playing a lot of soft

1550
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 7: zone coverage and allowing Alan to check the ball down,

1551
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,919
Speaker 7: and they are just eating after the catch like Shakir

1552
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 7: and these guys are just piling up yards after the

1553
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 7: catch because everybody's backing off and is afraid of Josh Allen.

1554
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,719
Speaker 7: And if I was the Patriots, I do think about

1555
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 7: we have Gonzo, we have Carlton Davis, because anybody actually

1556
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 7: challenged these Buffalo receivers and gotten in their faces at

1557
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage and try to throw the timing

1558
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 7: off and try to get Alan to hold the football,

1559
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 7: and you know, all these dinking dunk screens and things

1560
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 7: like that. It's just killing teams. It's they're killing teams

1561
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 7: like that. So I just wonder, if you're the Patriots,

1562
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 7: if maybe you kind of take the fight to them

1563
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 7: a little bit.

1564
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 5: I like it on Sunday night.

1565
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, it sounds great in theory to just make them

1566
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 7: march and make them go on these long drives and

1567
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 7: do it hopefully stop them in the red zone. But

1568
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 7: then Kleo Shakur breaks two tackles and it's a forty

1569
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 7: five yard touchdown.

1570
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: And win the toss. Do you defer take the ball?

1571
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 5: I would defer, but I like deferring.

1572
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,759
Speaker 1: I do that my flag football coaching as well, because

1573
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: we've done both this year.

1574
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 3: Right yeah, yeah, yeah, that was and that was very

1575
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 3: able to stay and wanted a fast start. I just

1576
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 3: think that the defense has kind of been flipped on

1577
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 3: its head for me, because you know, under Bill all

1578
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 3: those years, you always felt like, well, they got big guys,

1579
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 3: they should be able to generally stop the run, but

1580
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 3: they never it was sometimes struggle for pass rush juice.

1581
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 3: And now I feel like, let's get to third and eight.

1582
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 3: I feel pretty good when they're in third and eight.

1583
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 3: It's like first and ten, second and five, like those

1584
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 3: are the downs that terrify me now instead of you know,

1585
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 3: now I feel pretty good about their pass rush. They're

1586
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 3: going to get after the quarterback.

1587
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 5: That's the first and second down.

1588
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 7: Whorry would buffalo like if you back off and you

1589
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 7: just let them take profits all day long on first

1590
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 7: and second down. You're never going to be in third

1591
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 7: and long.

1592
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: That's why I just go get them right like that.

1593
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: Do you have nothing to lose in this game?

1594
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 5: Play aggressive play man?

1595
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 7: Trust your guys on the outside to play Manta man

1596
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 7: like Kean Coleman Shakir Like they're good players, but they're not.

1597
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 7: This is they don't have a digs out there that's

1598
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,759
Speaker 7: going to kill you in Manta man coverage.

1599
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1600
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 7: I just I would like to see them do that.

1601
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 7: But I'm glad you brought up the defense because we

1602
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 7: haven't really talked about the defense much. And Christian Barmore

1603
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 7: and Milton Williams are a problem.

1604
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: Like those two.

1605
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 7: Earning those paychecks, Like I know they're expensive, but they

1606
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 7: are Millon Williams has been worth every penny, like he

1607
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 7: is a game wrecord, Like.

1608
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 5: That's good to see. Those are two guys that.

1609
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 7: Teams are going to start the game plan for if

1610
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 7: they haven't already.

1611
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 2: Max in Atlanta writes in I want to make sure

1612
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 2: I don't get let recency bias impact my question. So

1613
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 2: now that we know for a fact, he says that

1614
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 2: Drake May is the best quarterback in the NFL, do

1615
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: we trade away our first round pick for an impact player.

1616
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: This goes back to our T Higgins.

1617
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 3: I'm much more in that realm right now than I've

1618
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 3: ever been in the past.

1619
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, depends on who it is.

1620
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: It depends on who it is. But I'm much more

1621
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: interesting now.

1622
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 5: I don't think that you need to give up necessarily

1623
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 5: a first round pick to get T Higgins.

1624
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: No, because you're gonna have to give him a contract.

1625
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 5: Spiring contracts, you know. But yes, I'd be interested in

1626
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 5: acquiring an impact, high impact player, especially on offense.

1627
01:14:58,160 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: Yep.

1628
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 2: And he says, I typically on support trading away a

1629
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 2: first round pick. But since we're going to be picking

1630
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 2: thirty second overall, so.

1631
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 3: But I mean, like he's joking, But I mean, but

1632
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 3: even if you're in the mid first round, it's it's not, oh,

1633
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 3: we're potentially cheering around trading away the fourth overall pick,

1634
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 3: you know. So, I it depends on the player. But

1635
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 3: I think that's the point you're getting to. There are

1636
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 3: definite needs, depends on the you know, I think they

1637
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 3: definitely could. You are going to need a pass rusher

1638
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 3: long term, a defensive end who can play every down,

1639
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 3: you know, kind of like Landry does eventually. I think

1640
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 3: the safety position, the linebacker position, those will all be

1641
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 3: but that that wide receiver ones out there and you

1642
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 3: have a chance if you.

1643
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 5: Want that, if that particular position is what you're interested in.

1644
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 5: You know, Tyreek Hill going down last night hurts that,

1645
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 5: you know, not necessarily because the Patriots would have been

1646
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 5: interested in Tyreek Hill, but he could have been a

1647
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 5: guy that's available, and that's one less team that's looking

1648
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 5: for that. Yeah, you know, like let's say he went somewhere, Well,

1649
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 5: that opens up your possibility of getting one of the

1650
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 5: other ones that might be available.

1651
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

1652
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 3: And we're a little bit of a victim of the

1653
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 3: moment right now. But like you would think that there

1654
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 3: would be some excitement to come here for a player like,

1655
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 3: you know, a T.

1656
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: Higgins. It doesn't feel like right I'm going to New England.

1657
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: It's been a waste land.

1658
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 3: Like there's some positive vibes here right now. We'll see

1659
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 3: how long they last and they vibration.

1660
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 5: I agree with that.

1661
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 7: Come on, you gotta watch Drake May and be like,

1662
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 7: you know, if you give T Higgins, they have Patriots tapency.

1663
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 7: All these ex routes that Kishan Boudi is running, We're

1664
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 7: gonna put you there and then we're gonna have digs

1665
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 7: on the other side. Like Higgins, you're all of a

1666
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 7: sudden like okay, And if.

1667
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 5: You're Higgins and you're saying like they don't they don't

1668
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 5: want to keep me, or they can't keep me with

1669
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 5: Borrow and Chase they can't afford because I mean, if

1670
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 5: I were Higgins, I would just rather stay where I am. Yeah, yeah,

1671
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 5: and wait for Borrow to come back next year and

1672
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 5: try again. But if they don't want them, and it

1673
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 5: certainly seems like they said maybe they don't want him

1674
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 5: as not the right term, they can't they can't figure

1675
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,759
Speaker 5: out a way to do it because they're so cheap.

1676
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and then another way it looks to me,

1677
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 3: another selling point is this pretty much this whole offense

1678
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 3: is coming back next year. I mean, everybody's under contract.

1679
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 3: I know things can change, but you know, it's like

1680
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 3: the Austin Hoopers. There's a couple of guys on one

1681
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 3: year deals, but otherwise all the receivers, Drake.

1682
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: The running backs, the line.

1683
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's all coming back next year. So

1684
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 3: just continuity, that's a positive thing.

1685
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: Ted in Las Vegas.

1686
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 2: According to Tankathon, the two lowest strengths of schedule as

1687
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 2: of today are the Patriots at three sixty eight in

1688
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 2: Buffalo at three eighty two. No other team is under

1689
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 2: a four hundred. We need to see both May and

1690
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 2: Allen step up against good teams.

1691
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: He's the only kidding.

1692
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 7: Well, both teams play the NFC South this year.

1693
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 5: That terrible schedules in the ANFC for them.

1694
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 7: The division games against the Jets and the Dolphins are not.

1695
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 5: I would just say Buffalo did be Baltimore. He's kidding, No, No,

1696
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 5: I know he is. I know he is.

1697
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Baltimore the tough place, but they've had a tough schedule.

1698
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 5: But that's why the record for Buffalo is so bad

1699
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 5: is because Baltimore is uncharacteristically one in three r not

1700
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 5: all one in three's are the same.

1701
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,560
Speaker 2: True, right, Chris and Santa Fe New Mexico. It's a

1702
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 2: how do I participate in kurseh words?

1703
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: The chat? It's always says.

1704
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 2: Waiting for approval from moderator, and my post never show. Well,

1705
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 2: here's the thing to you, Chris and everybody else. I

1706
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 2: get hundreds and hundreds of comments coming through. I'm watching

1707
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 2: the game I look down and if something catches my eye,

1708
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 2: I post it. So there's a better than good chance

1709
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 2: I don't even see your comment, but keep trying.

1710
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: That's all I can say. You got like a like

1711
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: a velvet rope to get into your chat. It's it's

1712
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: just timing. So it's all about timing. It's all about timing.

1713
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 5: So as it should be. Digital Gold Club member.

1714
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: Uh Ford and Savannah.

1715
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 2: While you were talking about digs in the slot today,

1716
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 2: I had a revelation. You now have a Patriot's brand

1717
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 2: name for soaping the slots, digs in the slot. Keep

1718
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 2: your forever Foxborough fresh with digs in the slot. M

1719
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: that was okay, there you go.

1720
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: We tried so op on the outside a crusade. I

1721
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: just I love it.

1722
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 3: It's weird the things that crawl out my keyster and

1723
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 3: Buddy and it's just like where again this is one

1724
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 3: person says something and then everyone just starts repeating it,

1725
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 3: and I'm like seeing it all over the internet.

1726
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: That the slot, that's what.

1727
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 3: And then we're watching you know, the Paul shows and

1728
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 3: then digs in the slot and like scotch.

1729
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 5: Olexiting right there, like tell him so you.

1730
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: Know, Nick and Arizona. Nick and Arizona says, please correct

1731
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 2: Paul on T.

1732
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: Higgins. He's not on an expiring contract.

1733
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: He signed a four year, one hundred and fifty million

1734
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 2: dollar contract in March.

1735
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh, my bad, he signed an extension. I didn't

1736
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 7: correct because I wasn't one hundred percent sure. I thought

1737
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 7: maybe you knew something I didn't know.

1738
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 5: I thought he signed a one year extension. He signed

1739
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,719
Speaker 5: up maybe never mind, No, never mind.

1740
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 7: That, but it's it's technically like a two year deal. Hey,

1741
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 7: there's an out.

1742
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: However, right, Andrew in La says he saw it bad.

1743
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 5: No, but I gave really bad information.

1744
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 2: Andrew and La says he saw that Higgins can be

1745
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 2: traded with little to no cap hit.

1746
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: Oh on the Bengals cap.

1747
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 5: Forget the Caps crap. But they clearly did something that

1748
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 5: I didn't think they did. They invested in them.

1749
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, well kind of.

1750
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 5: They gave it.

1751
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 7: He took one of the most team friendly start.

1752
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 5: I just thought that they gave him a one year

1753
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 5: thing and said let's run it all back one more time.

1754
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 5: I didn't realize he signed a four year deal, even

1755
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 5: if it's only a two year deal. My guess is

1756
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 5: he wants to stay there.

1757
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 2: Yes, James Pettig grew the most interesting Patriots fan in

1758
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 2: the world. Rights in question for Paul, do we score

1759
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 2: sixty with Chisholm starting at least?

1760
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 5: Imagine how many punt return touchdowns he would have had

1761
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 5: we have great play strength.

1762
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,719
Speaker 7: I have a question for Paul. How many points did

1763
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 7: the Patriots offense score on Sunday?

1764
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: Right?

1765
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 2: I mean he would he would subtract fourteen.

1766
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 5: I think yeah. But here's here's the thing, and Mike

1767
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 5: can be my witness to this. There are times when

1768
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 5: special teams points or points that you wouldn't have gotten.

1769
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 5: I don't think that game was one of them. I

1770
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 5: think the Patriots offense, after the first drive of the

1771
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 5: game for the next I don't know, four or five possessions,

1772
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 5: just drove the ball downfield at will. So had let's

1773
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 5: say the second punt return didn't happen, my guess is

1774
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 5: they would have driven sixty one years just.

1775
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 1: A normal return.

1776
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 5: So, yes, they only really scored twenty eight, but I

1777
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 5: would say in this case it's closer to forty two

1778
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 5: because of how well the offense played.

1779
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 2: That's very magnanimously. We've come a long way. You've come

1780
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 2: a long way.

1781
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 5: I don't really think it's that hard even think. I

1782
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 5: think you watch a game and you analyze what you see, right.

1783
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 5: Evan said something earlier in the show when we were

1784
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 5: talking about running game and I had made the comment

1785
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 5: that all three running backs averaged more than four yards

1786
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 5: to carry, and Evan had a very logical yeah, but

1787
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 5: that was on the other side saying a lot of

1788
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 5: it was kind of window dressing. You get an end

1789
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 5: around to this guy, a fake end around to that guy,

1790
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 5: which sprung this guy for that one. I'm like, yeah,

1791
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 5: you're kind of right. He didn't just line it up,

1792
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 5: and he's.

1793
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: Come a long way. No, no, like even to.

1794
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 5: Give him those points come a long way.

1795
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 3: I think Paul, I give him credit because he always

1796
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 3: embraces the rare times when he is corrected or you know,

1797
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 3: someone comes up with a good argument back at him,

1798
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 3: and I think he is always like, that's a good highlights.

1799
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 1: We go, we just went viral. Do you know what?

1800
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 5: Like you had the whole thing about this digs thing

1801
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 5: that crawled up your keyster. You know what really crawls

1802
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 5: up my keyster is when someone is clearly wrong, and

1803
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 5: no matter what you do to tell that person he's wrong.

1804
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 5: You know, in factual they won't ever just wont it

1805
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 5: bothers me? If you talk, if you talk for a

1806
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 5: living and you're analyzing sports or whatever you're doing, you

1807
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 5: know you're gonna say stupid stuff. You're going to say

1808
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 5: things that are wrong. You're gonna make predictions that don't

1809
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 5: end up happening. You can pretend that you were right,

1810
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 5: but then I think people see through that.

1811
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 3: So I think it's happened once or twice in my

1812
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 3: six years here that Paul's like, actually do So that's

1813
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:33,679
Speaker 3: a good argument.

1814
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 5: You're right, I'm very I'm a very opinionated guy, so

1815
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 5: sometimes I'm gonna they're gonna be way off.

1816
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 3: Well, sometimes he's a subjective too, and then you'll, you know,

1817
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 3: you'll cling to your beliefs that nuanced or everything.

1818
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 5: Let's go back to this game. We'll go back to

1819
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 5: the Panthers game. I think you could make an argument

1820
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 5: that the other team gets the ball first, they go

1821
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 5: right down the field, Patriots went three and out, Panthers

1822
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 5: get the ball again. They start to go right down

1823
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 5: on the field again and inexplicably run a draw from

1824
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 5: the Patriots side of the field. On third and long.

1825
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 5: I think they were trying to set up a situation

1826
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 5: where they could go for it on fullurth down into

1827
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 5: the Patriots credit. They stopped the draw for a little

1828
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 5: to no gain. Horrifically bad call. Right then they punt

1829
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 5: and the guy returns at eighty seven.

1830
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: Yards right right, big swing, big swing.

1831
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 5: If you change one play, okay, instead of running a draw,

1832
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 5: they throw it past the tech McMillan for a first

1833
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 5: down or no, no, no play, they throw it past the

1834
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 5: tech McMillan for a first down. Could you make an

1835
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,839
Speaker 5: argument that that that game doesn't end forty two to thirteen?

1836
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I would like there's a lot of nuance

1837
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 5: that goes on to things. Now you can only go

1838
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 5: by what actually happened, And what actually happened is Marcus

1839
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 5: Jones changed the game. The game got flipped on its

1840
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 5: head right there, and they took that. Then the next

1841
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 5: drive was probably the most effective Patriots drive I've seen

1842
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 5: in about four or five years. The first time down

1843
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 5: drive they made it fourteen six was one of the

1844
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 5: best looking Patriots drives that I've seen in a long time.

1845
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 5: Like chunk play, chunk play, chunk play touchdown, like when

1846
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 5: was when have we seen that?

1847
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: Right?

1848
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 5: You know? And now what happened back and what happened

1849
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 5: at fourteen to six?

1850
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: Mike, Oh jeez, you gonna put me on the spot.

1851
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 5: With this capitulation, right, just saying piece of where out?

1852
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: No, they were there, and I think there were a

1853
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 1: couple third down.

1854
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 5: I think when it was actually when they missed the

1855
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 5: field goal. I think it was fourteen six when they

1856
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 5: missed the field goal, not today, Like, yeah, I don't

1857
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 5: think it's gonna happen. You should go to the game

1858
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 5: check back broke the h two things.

1859
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 7: One they did drive into Patriots territory on six of their.

1860
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 5: Several times six of the Brice.

1861
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 7: Young's nine possessions. And just watching the game back, on defense,

1862
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 7: I didn't think that it was like in this dominant

1863
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 7: defensive effort like the scoreboard necessarily suggested, and some of

1864
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 7: the plays that the Panthers made, you just worry that

1865
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 7: like better offenses, like I don't know, Buffalo are going

1866
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 7: to be able to hit some of those same notes

1867
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 7: and it's going to look a lot different. But on

1868
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 7: you know, the plus side of things, the Patriots won

1869
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,799
Speaker 7: like all of the important third downs in this game.

1870
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 5: I said, like I said to you guys, like I

1871
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 5: feel like the Panthers have had the ball at the

1872
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 5: Patriots forty this entire game. Yeah, and they had thirteen

1873
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:23,879
Speaker 5: points to show.

1874
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 1: For it, knocking on the door.

1875
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 5: But all the time when there was like the Patriots

1876
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:28,480
Speaker 5: won all the important downs.

1877
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, when there was like a high leverage third down, yeah,

1878
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 7: the Patriots won all of them. And you know, really

1879
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 7: their their pass rush won all of them. But yeah,

1880
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 7: it was that was good to see. But there was

1881
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 7: there was some leakiness on the defense, like it was

1882
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 7: not That's why I was thirteen game on defense.

1883
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 1: I still don't know what it is.

1884
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 5: It's been an hour and a half of you know,

1885
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 5: we're talking about you know, playoff team and changing the

1886
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 5: narrative and all that stuff, and I'm on board with

1887
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 5: it all. Believe me. I am. I think that you

1888
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 5: showed that you separated yourself from those teams. And I

1889
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 5: know it was only one game, but I think they did.

1890
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 5: But you, to Evan's point, you have a situation where

1891
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 5: a bad offense, and Carolina is a bad offense in

1892
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 5: a thirty to nothering win the previous week, they played

1893
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 5: bad offense.

1894
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 7: Like one hundred and twenty pouns?

1895
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 5: Right, what happens if you get in a situation where

1896
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,679
Speaker 5: Buffalo is playing this week and you're playing a similar

1897
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 5: kind of defense, and instead of getting to the forty,

1898
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 5: they get into your end zone every time. Now, instead

1899
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 5: of being able to throw the ball seventeen times and

1900
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 5: having Drake May look like a star, and having the

1901
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 5: offensive line look like they're giving all this protection, by

1902
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 5: the way, against the team that it had one sack

1903
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 5: all year, how does it look when Greg Russeau and

1904
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 5: Joey Bosa, you know, and aj Epinessa are coming after

1905
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 5: you with the two school leads.

1906
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: Totally, so totally, that's the flip.

1907
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 5: Side of this whole thing. Now, hopefully we won't find

1908
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 5: that out. Hopefully the Patriots go into this Buffalo game

1909
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 5: and they run the ball effectively against the team and

1910
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 5: I don't think stops the run very well, and you're

1911
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 5: able to get a lead and dictate the way the

1912
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,600
Speaker 5: game is played and make Josh Allen, you know, have

1913
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 5: to have the pressure of keeping up.

1914
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: That's what I was just saying.

1915
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 3: I just I don't feel like I really know who

1916
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 3: this defense truly is yet, and they need to see

1917
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 3: how they stack up against the really good teams, and

1918
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 3: what does it look like when you know, you really

1919
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 3: have to stop the run or you really have to

1920
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 3: you know, get off the field and some of these

1921
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 3: long drives the teams are putting together on them and

1922
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 3: this will be a proving ground this week for them

1923
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 3: to see what what they really have, uh, because it's

1924
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 3: you know, like you said, they haven't really faced a

1925
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:37,480
Speaker 3: lot of dynamic teams, and even then it's been circumstantial

1926
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 3: the way they've kind of pulled out the winners.

1927
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 5: To play three bad offenses and the one good offense

1928
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 5: they played is kind of in disarray in Miami.

1929
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, but they like not having Gonzo just from like,

1930
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 7: how are they going to game plan teams perspective, like

1931
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 7: they didn't have.

1932
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 1: That's the wildcard. That's like the one wildcard of it

1933
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: all right.

1934
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 5: I mean it looks like when the best player and

1935
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 5: the team is back on the field.

1936
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 7: The results I just more mean, like, you know, they

1937
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 7: haven't been traveling with receivers.

1938
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, less options.

1939
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 5: So like one of.

1940
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 7: The things that ver Abel pointed out after the game

1941
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 7: was that the Panthers kept moving tet inside and they

1942
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 7: were kind of hiding where they were going to line

1943
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 7: up tet down to down, and they were moving him

1944
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 7: around a lot, and so he actually got matched up

1945
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 7: on Jalen Hawkins a few times. Oh yeah, which is

1946
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 7: not a matchup that you want if you're the Patriots.

1947
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 7: No offense to Jalen Hawkins. But now that they have

1948
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 7: Gonzo back at full strength, like this Gonzo now travel

1949
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 7: inside with the Ted McMillan, Like, I don't know how

1950
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 7: this coaching staff is going with this game.

1951
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 5: I just don't know.

1952
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,600
Speaker 7: Who on who like Shakir, because like Shaki is a

1953
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 7: slot receiver.

1954
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 5: Wondering if you just take a guy like ke On Coleman,

1955
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 5: who I think you kind of agree with me on

1956
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 5: key On Coleman. He's okay, but I don't think he's

1957
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 5: anything special. I don't think he's a great road runner. Yeah,

1958
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 5: I think you could eliminate him with with probably either

1959
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 5: one of them.

1960
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 1: I think I would go Man on Man and I

1961
01:29:58,720 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 1: would Key on Cook.

1962
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 2: I would try to like put an extra guy, Like

1963
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 2: you know you have spies for quarterbacks, I'd have a

1964
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 2: spy for the running back, Like wherever he goes, you go,

1965
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 2: in addition to whatever coverage is out there. So effectively,

1966
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:15,759
Speaker 2: you're double teaming him everywhere on the field.

1967
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,919
Speaker 7: See, I think Shakira is in the passing game. Shaquira

1968
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 7: is the engine of that offense. He's so if the

1969
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 7: problem with him is that they use him in motion

1970
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,680
Speaker 7: so much. So like if you're gonna play man to

1971
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 7: man against him and they bring him in motion, like

1972
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 7: now you're chasing, Like now you have to run with

1973
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 7: the motion in man to man and that's hard to do. So,

1974
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 7: Like that's why a lot of teams just play sides

1975
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 7: against Buffalo and just catch the receivers when they come

1976
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 7: out of the formation in the motion. So like Shakira's

1977
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 7: it's hard because Shakira is not like a traditional receiver

1978
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 7: where like he's just gonna be here all the time

1979
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 7: and Gonzo can just stand over him, like he's gonna

1980
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 7: move around, he's gonna be in motion, he's gonna be

1981
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 7: in the backfields. Like so there's different things that they.

1982
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 5: Do with it.

1983
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,560
Speaker 2: Here's an early prediction game so far this season for

1984
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar.

1985
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 1: Well with the Hawkins injury, it's it.

1986
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 3: I mean, he might say I might.

1987
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 5: Have to play back, and I think he I think

1988
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 5: he could. I agree with Mike. The other part of

1989
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 5: what you guys are talking about with Shakir that would

1990
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 5: worry me is if so let's say Carlton Davis takes

1991
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 5: Keyon Coleman out of the game and then they decide

1992
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 5: to maybe double Shakir to make sure that he doesn't

1993
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 5: get this kind of yards after the catch. Because I

1994
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 5: like Shakiro a lot. By the way, he was one

1995
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 5: of the guys in the draft that year that I

1996
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 5: really liked, both Josh Allen especially, but specifically. Buffalo has

1997
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 5: done this in the past. They now they have some

1998
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 5: of these other guys that aren't always they're not world beaters,

1999
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 5: but like Josh Palmer's not bad. And you know, they

2000
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 5: have Elijah Moore this year who's kind of a nick

2001
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 5: niche kind of player. These guys are capable of making plays.

2002
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,640
Speaker 5: They're not gonna like, Elijah Moore is not going to

2003
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 5: catch twelve passes for one hundred and fifty yards, but

2004
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 5: he might catch three and and and end up with

2005
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:03,560
Speaker 5: like sixty because he's kind of has capability. Do you

2006
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:08,799
Speaker 5: remember the twenty one season after the game in Buffalo

2007
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 5: that was the wind game, the three you know, the

2008
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 5: fourteen or ten game, whatever, they came back here and

2009
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:17,759
Speaker 5: josh Allen just ripped him apart. They didn't punt. Isaiah

2010
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 5: McKenzie killed Miles Bryant that day. That's to me, that's

2011
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 5: what I think of, Like Elijah Moore, Jortis Samuel I

2012
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 5: don't think it's even been active in some of these games,

2013
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 5: but played last so did he. Those kinds of players,

2014
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:31,879
Speaker 5: Joshua Palmer.

2015
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 1: But that's the brilliins of josh Allen too. Willing to

2016
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: go to those guys.

2017
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 5: He can take those third and fourth and fifth options.

2018
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,639
Speaker 5: And if you decide to take that, what I really

2019
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 5: want away from me, I can beat you with these

2020
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 5: guys too. And by the way, dul thinking kid and Dawstins,

2021
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 5: we're both pretty good.

2022
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 7: Jackson great blocker.

2023
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, they got it all right now. I mean,

2024
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: Buffalo is not a lot of credit.

2025
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 5: This is not an easy task.

2026
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 7: It's probably the best offense in the NFL.

2027
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 5: It's a reason they score thirty every week.

2028
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: Ivan's in California.

2029
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 15: Hey, Ivan, Hey guys, how you doing good? I got

2030
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 15: a quick question, but before before that, for me, from

2031
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 15: where I stand, I think there's just as good a chance. Honestly,

2032
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 15: we're going to go into Buffalo and get smoked. And

2033
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 15: I'm not trying to be negative. I just feel like

2034
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 15: the way the defense, you know, they've got great tight

2035
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 15: ends and everything you guys have just been touching on.

2036
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 15: I just think it is one of those games where

2037
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 15: it's going to be really hard to stop this guy.

2038
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 15: So for me, I think a win would be if

2039
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,799
Speaker 15: we can go into the fourth quarter with a shot

2040
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 15: and play a clean game. You know, then you know, hey,

2041
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 15: listen as special teams player or something like that. Who knows,

2042
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 15: we get a lucky bounce. But this is a really

2043
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 15: tough task, but it doesn't derail what they're doing. I

2044
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 15: just like to I think, just temper the excitement. I think,

2045
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:47,640
Speaker 15: you know, we have to understand the Buffalo is at

2046
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 15: the top of their game right now, and our defense

2047
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 15: is still you know, I think there's still a lot

2048
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 15: to be desired, I think in certain ways. But with

2049
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 15: that said, I'll jump to my question and then jump

2050
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 15: and that is on offense. I know Diggs, you know,

2051
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 15: people are saying he's a slot when we know obviously

2052
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 15: it's not just that, but thank you. I'm wondering if

2053
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 15: how we can incorporated Kyle Williams so that we can

2054
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 15: you know, with Diggs being in the slot, can we

2055
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 15: what is it going to take to get him maybe

2056
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 15: on the field, stretch the field, and uh, I think

2057
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 15: if we can get him more involved in the offense.

2058
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 5: All right field a little bit more often in this game,

2059
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 5: and I think I've probably be able to speak to

2060
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 5: this better. I think they had something dialed up for

2061
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 5: him a couple of different a couple of times, and

2062
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 5: unfortunately they weren't able to That was kind of an

2063
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 5: ill advice. That was after the after the bogus face

2064
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,640
Speaker 5: mask on Hooper, they ran an end around for like

2065
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,639
Speaker 5: minus two. Yeah, but I think they ran a shot

2066
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 5: play to Williams earlier.

2067
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: In the game.

2068
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2069
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 7: They they've done that, honestly, going all the way back

2070
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 7: to Week one or week two. Week two against Miami,

2071
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 7: they ran a one man route to him on a

2072
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 7: double reverse face and it was him that was running

2073
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 7: the go and they ran yet last week they tried

2074
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 7: to run a double move to him towards the end

2075
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 7: of the game against Pittsburgh. He was on the outside,

2076
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 7: ran a little out and up just didn't bite up.

2077
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 7: So they've tried a few different things, you know, on

2078
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:18,679
Speaker 7: the digs, crossing route explosive. He was on the deep

2079
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 7: post that occupied the safety. So I don't think that

2080
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:25,720
Speaker 7: Kyle Williams has been like I know everybody wants him

2081
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 7: to get into the box score, and I know everybody

2082
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 7: wants them to get production and things like that. But

2083
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:34,759
Speaker 7: he's playing, you know, he's he's the outside vertical stretch

2084
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 7: of their offense when he's on the field, and sometimes

2085
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 7: that's just to clear out space. It's not necessarily to

2086
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 7: get him the football. I think he's done a fine

2087
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 7: job at it. You know, I have no quibbles with

2088
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:46,800
Speaker 7: what he's doing right now.

2089
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 1: I would agree.

2090
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:49,719
Speaker 2: Boston Cream wants to know when you gave the nod

2091
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 2: last game, second quarter, fourteen to six.

2092
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:54,600
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were gonna say it, and I

2093
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: don't give the nots.

2094
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 5: I don't give the knot anymore.

2095
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 1: Right, So say that. So you didn't give the not

2096
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:00,679
Speaker 1: the nod.

2097
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 5: I don't give it publicly anymore.

2098
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 1: No, no more public it's behind a paywall.

2099
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 7: You have to get this game is over in the

2100
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 7: second quarter.

2101
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:10,600
Speaker 2: Okay he did, Yeah, but you're not publicly giving a

2102
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 2: nod anymore?

2103
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 1: And why is that?

2104
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 5: Because they don't earn it?

2105
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, they haven't earned.

2106
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 5: There's been too many nods, mental nods that they were like.

2107
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 5: I'll give you the most recent example was Week two. Yeah,

2108
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 5: I looked at Mike. I said, I think this game

2109
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 5: is over. Five minutes later they were losing.

2110
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Mike.

2111
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's when you get mad at me. Sometimes Mike

2112
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 5: gets mad.

2113
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 1: Come on, I give the nod, you know, just real quick.

2114
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 1: I was.

2115
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 3: I think I brought up Malcolm Mitchell in the past.

2116
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 3: It's just an example of kind of an outside rookie

2117
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 3: receiver and you know, his snaps. I kind of a

2118
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 3: gainst what I was going to look for. But in

2119
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, right out of the gate, thirty nine snaps,

2120
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 3: thirty one snaps. I mean, first game, five targets, you know,

2121
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 3: two catches. But he's just active right out of the gate,

2122
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 3: which I just think is interesting. Be a little patient

2123
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 3: with Kyle Williams, but clearly they know what he can do.

2124
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 3: And I mean I agree with the general sentiment. I

2125
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 3: think people see it like eventually him on the outside

2126
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 3: and you know work.

2127
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 5: You know, before the season's over. It's just I don't know,

2128
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 5: not going to put a deadline on it. I'd like

2129
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 5: to see him sort of emerge, you know, ahead of

2130
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 5: like Mac Collins. And I'm not talking about the same role.

2131
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 5: Don't like this is not like, oh he's playing this

2132
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 5: role and he doesn't do that, Paul. I'm saying the

2133
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 5: amount of snaps Mac Collins gets I would like to

2134
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 5: see flip flop. You know, Mac Collins gets fifteen snaps

2135
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,600
Speaker 5: and Kyle Williams ends up getting thirty or whatever the

2136
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 5: case may be.

2137
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 3: But like, what did I call it Mac Hollins in

2138
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 3: the summer. I don't know if it was four or five,

2139
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 3: but like he's an ideal five. He's like guy who

2140
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 3: plays special teams. He's got some size. He'll go out there,

2141
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:47,720
Speaker 3: can blow, you know, he can catch. But but if

2142
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 3: Williams can emerge as that two three guy, you know,

2143
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:52,680
Speaker 3: like compliment.

2144
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 7: Not going to take Mac Collins off the field.

2145
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 5: He's an ideal is what I want to see. I

2146
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 5: didn't say it was going to happen.

2147
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 7: But it's just his blockings too valuable. And I know

2148
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:04,679
Speaker 7: that that drives people crazy, but his ability to block

2149
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 7: allows them.

2150
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 5: To thought he was shaking your head up my scouting

2151
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 5: report on the no, no, no, it's like that he

2152
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 5: does all those things.

2153
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 7: His ability to block allows their whole early down sequencing

2154
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 7: to work. Like the fact that they can run and

2155
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 7: play action pass out of the same formations is because

2156
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 7: they have receivers that can block. So if you take

2157
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 7: him off the field, like Kyle Williams is not gonna

2158
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 7: he's not going to be digging out the nickel Paul.

2159
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 7: So you know, I know it's like boring and like.

2160
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 5: For a love of the game routes, but he ain't

2161
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 5: gonna be digging out the nickel.

2162
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Speaker 2: let's get back to the phones here. Uh John is

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Speaker 2: on hold from the Philippines.

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01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 1: What's up?

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01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 5: John's yep?

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01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:58,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like in a cave in the Philippines. Where

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01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 1: are you?

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01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 18: Pretty much?

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01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 2: Are you gonna have to do something? Take us off

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Speaker 2: speaker or go outside from the cave?

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Speaker 14: Okay?

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01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:17,599
Speaker 2: Get well, yeah, I don't know what's going on over there, John, Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: let's go.

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Speaker 18: Just one thing, Like, how refreshing was seeing this offense

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01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 18: set up some plays last week?

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Speaker 1: How refreshing was it? Very was very refreshing.

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Speaker 5: I think I needed a shower?

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Speaker 1: He did. He's still very refreshing, you tell us, But

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01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 1: were you refreshed?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, that was refreshing. But my question is I tuned

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01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 18: in a little late, So stop me if you've already

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01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 18: answered this. But the past couple of years, we've been

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01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 18: really bad against running quarterbacks, I guess all quarterbacks.

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01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:56,599
Speaker 15: For that matter.

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01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:00,679
Speaker 18: But like you, guys are critical third downs, Like, last

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01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 18: thing I want to see is a close game, Josh Allen,

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01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 18: you know, starts running on third downs. Like, do you

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01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 18: think we have someone that can, like we could put

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01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:14,520
Speaker 18: as a spy. We've gone like lighter at lighter at linebacker.

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01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 18: There's someone that can keep pace with Josh Allen in

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01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 18: that aspect?

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01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 7: Well, I mean my question, I mean it's it's a

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01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:27,400
Speaker 7: good question, but like everybody's trying to keep MVP of

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01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 7: the league.

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01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 5: But I do think there's guys that can keep pace

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01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 5: for them. But can you tackle them?

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01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 14: Right?

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01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 3: I mean there's not a lot of depth on the

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01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 3: Patriots defense, so there's not a lot to like tack too.

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01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 3: But that's why I highlight Douger. Maybe Dougger has to

2223
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 3: fill in for Hawkins though and play safety or Marty Mapu.

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01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:43,759
Speaker 3: I just I think he's you know, got some size,

2225
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 3: he moves pretty well, and we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 5: Both those guys can run with Josh Allen. I think

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01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 5: Robert Splaine can probably run, you know with Can they

2228
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:53,559
Speaker 5: get him on the ground. Nope, I'm not saying that

2229
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 5: because no, no disrespect to the players that we just mentioned.

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01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 5: Josh Allen is the best player in football.

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01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why.

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01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 7: They had a third down against the Saints where they

2233
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 7: Saints like we're sending pressure, could him mount and on

2234
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 7: third down? And he finally just said, like it, I'm

2235
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:16,719
Speaker 7: just gonna run. And he's just like stiff arming guys

2236
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 7: and he was just like, I'm just gonna take off.

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01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,559
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't I don't know what you do

2238
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 7: about that.

2239
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 5: And it's close late is when you get those runs. Yeah,

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01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 5: he put the game away.

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01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 7: Yeah I'm gonna And then he'd rent a naked and

2242
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 7: just really put the game away and like it was

2243
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 7: just like all right, I don't know, but you gotta

2244
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:37,720
Speaker 7: put him in the trash compactor. Right, Like when they

2245
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 7: rush the quarterback, you don't want to be flying up

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01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 7: the field. You don't want to be out of gaps

2247
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 7: because if you open a gap up he's just gonna

2248
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 7: take it, so you gotta put it collapse the pocket.

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01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:51,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt Rochester, New York. As the unofficial quarterway point

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Speaker 2: of the season. If the players below exceeded, met or

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01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 2: failed to meet whatever expectations you had for them going

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01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 2: to the season.

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01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 5: Will Campbell exceeded exceeded.

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01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 2: I'd say he met my expectations because I had high expectations.

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Speaker 5: I did too, that's fair.

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01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 2: Garrett Bradbury exceeded, exceeded, Okay, Milton Williams, I know what

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01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 2: Evan thinks.

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01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 5: Exceeded.

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01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Carlton Davis.

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Speaker 5: That's the last one, last underwhelming.

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01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever their sceeded, meta, failed.

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01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 2: Failed, failed, so far, it's a stretch my three options

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01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:33,839
Speaker 2: for Carlton Davis.

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01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 7: Hear what you guys are saying, but failed seems.

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01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,280
Speaker 5: Failed is definitely a harsh word.

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01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:41,120
Speaker 1: But that was the option.

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01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 5: The option was exceeded.

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01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:46,640
Speaker 1: Below expectations, below expectations. We just go with blow expectations

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01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 1: because I don't.

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Speaker 5: Think he's been a failure a point. I don't think

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01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:51,560
Speaker 5: he's been a failure, but I don't think he's met expectations.

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01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 1: Been banged up a lot, he missed a lot of practice.

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01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 5: It's penalty.

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01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:56,759
Speaker 7: The penalties are not great.

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01:43:56,920 --> 01:44:00,759
Speaker 5: Christian Barmore, Oh, I can say I'm gonna say exceeded

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01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 5: because I I still had some questions.

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01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 1: I'd say exceeded too.

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01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 5: He's been and you know his availability.

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01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:11,679
Speaker 2: There's ah Met Matt.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have Miami.

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01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 2: I would have said exceeded, but that was you know, yeah,

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01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 2: just he hasn't stabbed him yet.

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01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:22,639
Speaker 3: No, no, no disrespect to Booty, but I see him

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01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 3: as kind of one of the guys that you're trying

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01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:26,799
Speaker 3: to upgrade, you know, down the line. That's a position

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01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 3: where you need a dynamic player who's going to make

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01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 3: it hard. He's turned into like a very gritty, like

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01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:36,719
Speaker 3: a possession receiver, plays on the outside receiver.

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01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 5: Even that catch the other day, it's like he you know,

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01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 5: the he's on the ground. It was a little underthrown.

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01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 5: Do you see how he caught it? Like usually when

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01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 5: you're on the ground, you're like scooping the ball off

2293
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 5: the turf. He that was a handsketch out in front

2294
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 5: of him about six inches off the ground. That was

2295
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 5: a good hands catch.

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01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 3: It almost makes me wonder if he's miscast a little bit,

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01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 3: and like, you know, is he does he have the

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01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 3: dynamic athleticism to play on the outside and really do

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01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 3: what they truly need him to do, or would he

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01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 3: be better served as a guy who can catch the

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01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 3: ball and move the chains like a debo.

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01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 5: Debo power power what do you call power slots? Power slot?

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01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was. He was a little bit more of that,

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01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:14,760
Speaker 7: and he has.

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01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 1: The name for every power slot.

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01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 7: Slot is the best power slot in the game.

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01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 2: Doug Doug Boone, IOWA says, listening to Evan talk about

2308
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 2: football is like reading the King James Bible.

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01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 7: I don't know what that means.

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01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't read the complicated. I was going to say,

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01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:34,760
Speaker 1: is that it's just the basic. I think they're all

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01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 1: the Bible, the standards. I don't know.

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01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 5: I read a different book, so I'm not sure. I

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01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 5: think you read the first plating thing in the world.

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01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:47,080
Speaker 5: And other people would say reading the Bible is kind

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01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 5: of boring.

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01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 2: Jacket and abba, uh, I thought it was Wednesday, disregardless. Man, No,

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01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 2: we'll do this email today. For each of the bills below,

2319
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 2: each member of the p U staff must declare whether

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01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:02,599
Speaker 2: he's a stutter or a stiff. No no in the middle, stutter,

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01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:08,040
Speaker 2: stiff Josh Allen, Studd, James Cook, Stud Dalton Kincaid.

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01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:14,480
Speaker 1: Really don't know. I don't think he's the first round.

2323
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:16,200
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa.

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01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 7: I would say he's having a good start to the year.

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01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 5: I don't know. I'd say Stud, but he's always injured

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01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 5: and White Stiff Yeah, Washed.

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01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:31,600
Speaker 7: Never does it for me.

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01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 5: Was a really good player. Yeah, around with Buffalo and

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01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 5: then I think he did he tear his a c

2330
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 5: l oh, yeah, something like that. Yeah, he was a

2331
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 5: good player, but I don't think he is any very

2332
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:48,639
Speaker 5: good player. Howard It was a good player, really not anymore.

2333
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:53,880
Speaker 2: Darius from Louis Louisville. I also believe we can beat

2334
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:56,680
Speaker 2: the Bills. I'm not just riding high off our win.

2335
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:59,640
Speaker 2: I really believe it. If we can limit turnovers a

2336
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:02,400
Speaker 2: force maybe one or two, we have a good chance.

2337
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,559
Speaker 2: We've looked like a real NFL team for three weeks now,

2338
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:08,680
Speaker 2: minus the five turnovers against the Steelers.

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01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,759
Speaker 5: We look like it's we look to play Missus Lincoln.

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01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 1: We look like a top fifteen to seventeen team.

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01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 5: I think that's probably fair. Sure like that with the

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01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 5: last part fIF Yeah, they're right in the pack right low. Yeah,

2343
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:24,640
Speaker 5: that might be low. Yeah, fifteen to seventeen.

2344
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:25,799
Speaker 7: Especially at the quarterbacks good.

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01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 5: And that was my caveat all off season.

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01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:32,320
Speaker 3: I just I'm so interested to see how the defense

2347
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 3: stacks up against Josh Allen Lamar, you know, even Baker

2348
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:37,640
Speaker 3: like the really good quarterbacks.

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01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 5: Do you think Lamar is going to play? When they

2350
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:39,479
Speaker 5: play the.

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01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 1: Are they rest the play?

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01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 5: He's already heard Don and Philly.

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01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 2: I'd like to impersonate Evan recapping a play. I love

2354
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 2: his insight. Evan impersonation to set the scene. The Patriots

2355
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 2: are in fifty four personnel, five running backs, four.

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01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 5: Tight ends, doesn't even exist.

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01:47:57,640 --> 01:47:58,559
Speaker 1: Y william was in.

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01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 2: Motion and effectively acts this is the backside, Sniffer.

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01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 7: It's not the right thing. No, this is just all wrong.

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01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 5: You didn't like the backside before I move on.

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01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 2: I love how much motion McDaniel's incorporated in this offense.

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01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:16,280
Speaker 2: The Panthers defense is in cover three Cloud one. Strake

2363
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:18,560
Speaker 2: notices he has no offensive lineman on the field. He

2364
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:22,959
Speaker 2: hits Williams for an explosive twenty yard play, a genius

2365
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 2: concept only McDaniels could scheme up. And the Patriots have

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01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:29,559
Speaker 2: one of the highest explosive play rates in the NFL,

2367
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 2: but ranked thirty first in yards and crew on those plays.

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01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,800
Speaker 2: I know what your network would say about that, barth

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01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:39,440
Speaker 2: bar You think that was a good impersonation?

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01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 5: No, because there's all like the backside sniffer. That's not

2371
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 5: even what the sniffer does.

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01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:48,600
Speaker 1: It makes a bbl thing. It was kind of a

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01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:50,120
Speaker 1: funny term though, Brazilian butt lift.

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01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 7: I was gonna say literally, but I I will digress.

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01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:57,720
Speaker 5: I'll give it to him.

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01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 2: Good job, Tyler writes in Fred, you and Paul are

2378
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 2: the best, like grandpa or dad some of us never had.

2379
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:08,759
Speaker 2: I just want to ask, if the offensive line goes

2380
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:11,599
Speaker 2: as well as it has, should we keep some wide

2381
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 2: receivers or should we do what we did this year

2382
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 2: and get some veterans and maybe get rid of some

2383
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:19,519
Speaker 2: dead weight and hopefully start hitting in the draft and

2384
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 2: free agents. Hopefully Kyle Williams starts showing something that way

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01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:27,879
Speaker 2: a vet William's booty, and I don't know what anyway,

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01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:29,720
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what his question is.

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01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 5: They need?

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01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 2: So if the offensive line is fine, we just focus

2389
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 2: on wide receivers. Is that is that what you think

2390
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 2: you're going.

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01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:39,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I think they're going to continue to need

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01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 5: offensive linemen. It's not going to be fine forever. I

2393
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:47,559
Speaker 5: mean brad Berry and Owen who and Moses are closer

2394
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 5: to the end in the beginning yep.

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01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 7: Right, Bradberry has been good, and I think that's not

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01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:55,280
Speaker 7: big for them. I'm not saying that you have been

2397
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 7: as advertised, but thirty four years old, like they're going

2398
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:02,519
Speaker 7: to need a right tackle. Uh, we still don't. I

2399
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 7: think I fully know that Will Campbell is going to

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01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 7: be good. I don't know if Jared Wilson's going to be.

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01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 5: Even if he's probably going to take over for Bradbury,

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01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 5: you're gonna need another center card.

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01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:15,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this point out anything when you's got

2404
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:17,960
Speaker 3: like the biggest cap hit next year, big.

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01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 5: Money closer because he's not closer to the end age

2406
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:23,520
Speaker 5: wise like Moses, but.

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01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 1: He might be asked to take a haircut this austome.

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01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:25,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 7: I just think the good news is is that if

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01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:31,840
Speaker 7: Will Campbell continues on this trajectory, like left tackle is

2411
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:33,719
Speaker 7: the hardest one to get, you don't.

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01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 5: Necessarily if they don't have to go back in the

2413
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 5: left tackle market. Yeah, that's what you need to waste

2414
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 5: a high draft wasting quotes on a high draft right, So.

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01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 7: Like if they need to, if they bump Wilson into center,

2416
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:46,680
Speaker 7: and they don't need to draft the left guard in

2417
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 7: the first.

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01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 5: Round, you can get on the fourth.

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01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:49,800
Speaker 1: You know.

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01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:52,679
Speaker 7: The benefit of you know, it's been good so far

2421
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 7: from my with the offensive line is it looks like

2422
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 7: they're coaching guys up again on the offensive line where

2423
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:01,479
Speaker 7: you're seeing week to week improve, You're seeing Ben Brown

2424
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 7: get in there, and it really doesn't miss a beat

2425
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 7: with the backup guard in there instead of the starter.

2426
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:08,800
Speaker 7: Like that was the things that they were doing in

2427
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 7: the heyday when Scarneckia was here, and they were just

2428
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 7: able to pump out these guys.

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01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:14,160
Speaker 3: They were I was watching some of the game last

2430
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 3: night and they were just tearing apart Miami's offensive line.

2431
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 1: Cole Strength by the way, I getting in there with.

2432
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:24,080
Speaker 5: The like at this point four spots, Like they were

2433
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 5: talking about it last night and it was almost comical. Yeah,

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01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:29,640
Speaker 5: with how how many linemen did they and then you know, and.

2435
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 3: So you know, maybe this is unfair to them because

2436
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 3: they are down into debt, but they were just pointing

2437
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:35,760
Speaker 3: out the things that we used to point out with

2438
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:39,160
Speaker 3: the Patriots whorts, like they're not in sync they're missing guys.

2439
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:41,160
Speaker 3: You know, when you just like it goes back to

2440
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 3: that point I'm in earlier, when you have two seasons

2441
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:45,720
Speaker 3: of four wins, you really get up to speed on

2442
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:48,960
Speaker 3: the subtleties of the badness that get you beat and

2443
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:51,400
Speaker 3: the you know, the blown blocks and the you know,

2444
01:51:51,479 --> 01:51:53,880
Speaker 3: lack of spacing and all those different details that are

2445
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:54,519
Speaker 3: so critical.

2446
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:55,920
Speaker 1: I don't always appreciate it.

2447
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 5: When Evan and I argued about this earlier off. There

2448
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 5: a game when the Dolphins probably should have won by

2449
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:06,040
Speaker 5: four touchdowns based on how badly the Jets played because

2450
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 5: of those problems. They they couldn't convert a third down

2451
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:11,720
Speaker 5: in the second half, they took over. I mean, they

2452
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 5: get a fumble recovery off the opening kickoff of the

2453
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:18,000
Speaker 5: second half, and they just can't score any points. And

2454
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:19,320
Speaker 5: you look at the end of the game and you're like,

2455
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 5: how do we get involved in a one possession game?

2456
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 5: The Jets have thirteen penalties, turned it over three times

2457
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 5: to none, and they're still in the game and they

2458
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:31,439
Speaker 5: I mean, if not for a bogus passing appearance calling

2459
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:33,800
Speaker 5: Garrett Wilson in the end zone, I don't understand how

2460
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:36,200
Speaker 5: that's If that's interference. I don't know what the back

2461
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:40,000
Speaker 5: shoulder played the Diggs is. It's the same thing you like,

2462
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 5: they run and they put the ram out like they

2463
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 5: didn't knock him over like Diggs, I don't think he

2464
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:48,080
Speaker 5: was just out and he makes an unbelievable catch up.

2465
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:50,519
Speaker 5: For some reason, Chris Powler just decided I'm going to

2466
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 5: ignore that the referee called it a touchdown on the field,

2467
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 5: went on the on the microphone after and said the

2468
01:52:56,800 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 5: ruling on the field was touchdown. However offensive passing affence.

2469
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:03,639
Speaker 5: It's on number five like he can continues to say,

2470
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:06,800
Speaker 5: like they that that they ruled it an incomplete past.

2471
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 5: They didn't. It was a touchdown.

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01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:12,000
Speaker 7: That touchdown that he did catch that counted was Unbelievab's

2473
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:12,479
Speaker 7: really good.

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01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:14,800
Speaker 5: He's a receiver. I know he signed a big deal,

2475
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:18,160
Speaker 5: but he's a received What that would take the temperature on.

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01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 1: You see the false star on Teddy K yesterday that

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01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:21,200
Speaker 1: they call a.

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01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 7: Call and I know this is big on on Paul shows.

2479
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 7: I know Joe Murray, Jim Murray, sorry other Mary is

2480
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 7: big on this, but I I agree with him. Some

2481
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 7: of these ticky tack calls that are just bogging down

2482
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:36,680
Speaker 7: the game, like these little like alignment issues and like

2483
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:38,799
Speaker 7: the head bob for teddy.

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01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:40,800
Speaker 1: K last every center does that.

2485
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 5: I don't.

2486
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:43,760
Speaker 7: We're getting way too technical with some of these.

2487
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:46,320
Speaker 5: They cracked down on the head bob like if it's

2488
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:49,880
Speaker 5: like sort of a you know, a sudden movement, you know,

2489
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:53,720
Speaker 5: like it's really and they brought the rules analyst on

2490
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:56,439
Speaker 5: and like I thought, no, that's not what that's not

2491
01:53:56,479 --> 01:53:58,519
Speaker 5: what they were talking about with these sudden movements. That

2492
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:02,960
Speaker 5: was just a normal every day act. Like it's it's

2493
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:04,719
Speaker 5: they're impacting games.

2494
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 1: All right, I'm calling it a show. I got things

2495
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:07,200
Speaker 1: to do.

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01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:11,640
Speaker 2: We got another shot at it tomorrow catch twenty two

2497
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:13,200
Speaker 2: am Eastern time.

2498
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:14,599
Speaker 5: We'll talk some fall.

2499
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 1: What's part take on this.

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01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 2: Is he he's in good, good spirits.

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01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,599
Speaker 5: He's in good spirit. I haven't talked to him since Sundays. Okay,

2502
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 5: all right, all right about it.

2503
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 1: So we'll be back at noon.

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01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 2: We've got Verabel press conference tomorrow, lots to do tomorrow.

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01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:34,120
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you then. Hey, this is Deuce. Thanks

2506
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:35,080
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01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:36,720
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