1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Plus or Josh Blackman joins the program again our legal 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: expert aka mister smarty pants. We have had a busy 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: Supreme Court session with some important rulings as it affects 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: the Trump administration's ability to do their job and hence 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: this country. And you, professor, let's start with the Trump v. Cassa, Inc. 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Case or Kasa Ink regarding whether district courts can simply 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: decide in anywhere America. Oh you know what, Trump can't 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: do that That ended up at the Supreme Court in 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: an expedited fashion. Talk about that case if you would. 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 2: This is probably the most important case from last year. 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: It involved Trump's birthright citizenship order. Well, Trump said that 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: we will not give any sort of citizenship papers to 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: children of legal aliens. But the quot can decide whether 14 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: that order itself was lawful, and so they decided it's 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: kind of a procedural issue, that is, how can it 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: be challenged in court? Moments after Trump signed the order, 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: judges in Washington and in the Northeast issue these universal 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: injunctions that basically applied to everyone everywhere. So even though 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: Texas hadn't challenged the policy, children of aliens in Texas 20 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: would still be protected by it, and that's not how 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: things were supposed to work. So we have a six 22 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: or three decision. Justice Barrett wrote the majority, and the 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: Court held that, no, you can't issue these injunctions, but 24 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: we won't talk about whether Trump's order is legal. We'll 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: do that later. 26 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: That was the upshot, leaving President Trump the ability to 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: be the executive which our constitution empowers him to be fair. 28 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean you have these district court judges 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: who are truly intruding on the powers of the executive 30 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: and going beyond the powers of the judicial branch. 31 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Do you recall ever seeing that in the modern era? 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: Before you know, it started in earnest during the end 33 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: of the Obama administration, ramped up during the first Trump administration, 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: got even more during the Biden administration, and then during 35 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: the second Trump administration went off the chain. You had 36 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: more universal injunctions in the first few months of Trump 37 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: than all of Biden combined. So I think the Supreme 38 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: Court really has to intervenu tell the judges, chill, you 39 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: can't do this. This is not how we're supposed to 40 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: run a system. 41 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: Well, my concern throughout all of this is that the 42 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: Supreme Court should not be as important to our daily 43 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: lives as it is and continues to be. And that 44 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: is because they are engaged in legislative and executive actions 45 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: in instead of simply judiciary behavior. And that concerns me 46 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: because we don't elect a Supreme Court. But in any case, 47 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: the case of Free Speech Coalition Inc. Versus Paxton, State 48 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: of Texas restrictions on porn and and age verification. Talk 49 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: about that if you would. 50 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: This is an important case for Texas and many states. 51 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: As I'm sure people know, the Internet has a lot 52 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: of pornography, and some of it you have to pay 53 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: to get. So it's like porn hub have always required 54 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: people to register, but they didn't really do much to 55 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: verify that they were actually adults. So it was unsurprising 56 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: that children and miners were able to access material. Texas 57 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: enacted what I think is a pretty common sense law 58 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: that if you want to provide pornography online you have 59 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: to have a verification. You and I old enough, you remember, Michael. 60 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: Back in the day, if you wanted to go to 61 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: the video store, you had a little beaded curtain, right, 62 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: and you'd go there and you'd show your idea to 63 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: get those other not they ever did this, but you 64 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: would go there to get your adult videos. If you 65 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: want to go by a Playboy magazine, there is you 66 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: wrapped in that plastic and you have to go show 67 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: your ideas to the cashier. Online, there's no cashier, right, 68 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: there's no video clerk. So the way you verify your 69 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: age is by uploading a copy of your driver's license. 70 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: Is how you buy wines, how you buy tobacco, and 71 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: lots of things. But people said, oh no, no, this 72 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: will a chill or access to pornography. People will be 73 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: afraid of sharing the information online. So it goes to 74 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court, and the Court rules six to three 75 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: that this policy is constitutional and Texas can use age 76 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: verification that even though this might burden some adults from 77 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: accessing their porn, it's a very useful means to protect 78 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: children from this material. 79 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: So I think fair to say false under constitutional authority 80 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: because it's narrowly limited with a with a real purpose, 81 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: or narrowly tailored with a real purpose, as opposed to 82 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: an outright ban on pornography, which could be argued as 83 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: free speech not conclusive. 84 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: Right. Just as Thomas wrote, the majority and he said that, Look, 85 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: this isn't a ban, it's a restriction, and it doesn't 86 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: make a difference. And there's a long tradition of governments 87 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: using age verification for accessing adult materials goes back forever. 88 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: It's different because it's online and there's a risk that 89 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: you know, people's credit cards might be you know, released 90 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: in people's you know, what kind of point did it 91 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: like to watch that's blackmail material? That risk does exist, 92 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: but I think it was enough to override the Texas 93 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: and Acted law well. 94 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: And I think what we can take from this is 95 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: there has long been an American jurisprudential tradition that a 96 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: law should be as narrowly tailored as possible and for 97 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: a specific lawful purpose. And in this case, when you 98 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 1: can make the argument that it is for the protection 99 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: of children, that would be relatively consistent with American jewisprudence. 100 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: The case of Mahmood versus Taylor, the public school said 101 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: to have violated the First Amendment religious freedom rights of 102 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: parents by eliminating an opt out option for elementary students 103 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: exposed to LGBTQ plus inclusive story books in the curriculum. 104 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: Make that make sense? Please? 105 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: This is such a common sense case, Michael. In Montgomery County, Maryland, 106 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: which is not Texas, they decided that children were not 107 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: open enough to learning about gays, lesbians, and transgender people, 108 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 2: and they need to bring books into the curriculum, even 109 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: for five year olds in kindergarten to learn about this. 110 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: And I hope was this would simulate discussion and break 111 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: what they call heteronormativity. If you know what that is, 112 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: you're you're normal, right have you asked us to note 113 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: that is when you're kindergarten? But this was designed to 114 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: break this idea of what gays and lesbians and transgender 115 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: people are. Some of these books talked about children, you know, 116 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: saying I don't feel like a boy, I feel like 117 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: a girl, and the parents said, well that's okay. So 118 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: you can imagine that parents objected to their kids having 119 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: this material. Initially, Montgomery County let kids opt out of 120 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: this if their parents opted them out, but turned out 121 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 2: almost everyone opted out, and so then they got really 122 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: opt out and the children had to sit through this instruction. 123 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: So this was a case really about religion, and these 124 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: are religious parents, as the case suggests, Mahmoud was not 125 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: a Christian. It was a Muslim parent, but Mahmoud family 126 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: didn't want their kids seeing this material which directly undermines 127 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: what they teach about religion and morality and gender. Again, 128 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: the courts put six to three on this one, and 129 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: the Court said, yes, parents be able to opt out 130 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: their kids from this sort of instruction. There's a very 131 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: vigorous assense thing that this is harmful for transgender people, 132 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: and then that the Supreme Court shouldn't play school board. 133 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: But there's a very deeply rooted right of parents to 134 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: direct how their kids are taught. 135 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: Right one moment. Professor Josh Blackman, aka mister smarty Pants 136 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: is our guest. More Supreme Court cases. 137 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: Coming up nowadays can actually break you bon are you 138 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: not at the time the Michael Berry Show, there's not 139 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: why Your Half? 140 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: Josh Blackman, mister smarty Pants of the South Texas College 141 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: of Law, Supreme Court expert, is our guest. Professor. I 142 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: would love to keep you on for the hour, but 143 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: there is a lot of donut talk yet to be had. 144 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: Would you like to contribute? Do you have a favorite 145 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: donut joint? 146 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: I like Shipley, That's where my kids like to go. 147 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Okay, A Houston tradition. Let me, let's rush through a 148 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: couple of these. We did have some rare unanimous decisions. 149 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: One of them Ames versus Ohio Department of Youth Services, 150 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: which is referred to as a reverse discrimination case. What's that. 151 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: So? Ames was an unusual case where you had basy 152 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: heterosexual woman who alleged issues to discriminate against for BC 153 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: being a heterosexual woman, and the Low Court takes she said, oh, well, 154 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: she can't bring a claim because she's basically a heterosexual woman. 155 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: And the court reversed that anytimes a discrimination to eat 156 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: against someone a majority of minority sexual orientation, that still applies. 157 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: You don't see a member of a majority group. This 158 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: was a nine oz decision by Justice Jackson, and I 159 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 2: think it was, you know, a high order mark to 160 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: the court that not all these cases split sixty three. 161 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: They often have nine hour results. 162 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: It also builds credibility if you don't rule like a 163 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: crazy person every time, at least someone can say, see, 164 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: she's not totally crazy. Gun makers liability the Mexican government 165 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: suing Smith and Western Brands to claim US liability over 166 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: gun violence by drug cartels. 167 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an unusual isn't a usual case, Michael, 168 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 2: there's a federal law that prevents people from suing gum 169 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: manufacturers because their guns are dangerous. The reason why is it, well, 170 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: guns are dangerous, that's what they exist for. But Mexico 171 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: tried to sue Smith and Wesson, saying, oh, well, the 172 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 2: problem is they marketed these guns improperly. They tried to 173 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: appeal to all these gang members and these cartels they 174 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: named guns after, like you know, drug runners and stuff, 175 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: and the Supreme Court said, no, you can't do that. 176 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: There's a federal ban on sooon gun manufacturers and Mexico 177 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: can't get around this. This is a case of the 178 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: lower courts allow of the suits to go forward. It 179 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: got to bankrupt is Smith and West and put these 180 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: gun manufacturer on a business So again the court had 181 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: some high watermarks where they were nine to ozer realizing 182 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: that you can't you can't do. 183 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: This another nine oz ruling on May fifteenth, police use 184 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: of excessive force in the Barnes versus Felix case. 185 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: Right, this is one of these issues that sort of 186 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: pops up over and over again about when you're able 187 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: to sue police officers for engaging in excessive force. And 188 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 2: I think that Again, the court was pretty unanimous here. Right, 189 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: It's generally the police get defference, but sometimes a little 190 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: bit too far. They they have to be such a 191 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 2: liability and I think even we all agree sometimes and 192 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 2: you're a lot of work, you screw up and people 193 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: get treated poorly. She get some releef in court. 194 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: Another Nino decision, Regulation of flavored vapes FDA versus Wages 195 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: and White Lion investments. 196 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: Right, this is really even about vaping. It's more about 197 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: sort of the process that can go forward before you 198 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 2: sort of make these regulatory changes. It's kind of a 199 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: nerdy decision, but again not about vaping, but kindous about 200 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: the administrative process that you go through. 201 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: Why do you think they took that case because they 202 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: don't have to. 203 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: Usually it's to settle what's called a split where the 204 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: lower courses are divided on the issue. Also, it's an 205 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: issue of importance where a lot of people in the 206 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: vape industry were really, you know, wanting to get this 207 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 2: issue settled. But when to nine to zero, especially nine 208 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: zero reversal, that doesn't mean the lower court got it wrong. 209 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: It just means that the court says, here to the 210 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: national standard here's we're going to do it. 211 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: The case of ghost Guns Garland versus vander Stock seven. 212 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, this one sucked. I was no lawyers on this 213 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: on this case. My colleague Chash Flora is another lawyer 214 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: in Houston. We legated this case for for several years. 215 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: For the longest time, people have been able to make 216 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: their own guns at home, you know, the eighty percent 217 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 2: receiver kids. People have done this for years and then 218 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 2: recently decided no, no, no, you can't. You can't. You 219 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: can't make these guns at home. Even having a block 220 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 2: of metal itself as a gun. You can do it 221 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: through a background check. When the government changes are positioned 222 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: on short notice, it's usually signed some things up. But 223 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: we lost this one. I think the government, both Biden 224 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: and then Trump, persuaded the court that these ghost guns 225 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: are dangerous and we can't have them. So I'm still 226 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: a little a little bitter on this one. When you 227 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: lose a case of the spam important out of. 228 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: Good Field TikTok versus Garland, Supreme Court unanimously upheld a 229 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: law that sought to ban the wildly popular app talk 230 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: in the US unless it were sold. That's the New 231 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: York Times description. 232 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a this is an unusual case because 233 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: Congress bipartis and vote to band TikTok. The Supreme Court 234 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 2: said this law is constitutional, that it can go to 235 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: an effect. Yet I'm sure people listening have TikTok on 236 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: the phones right now. Why because before Biden left office, 237 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 2: he said I'm not going to enforce this law. And 238 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: Trump has said I'm not going to enforce this law. 239 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: So with this law on the books, the Supreme Court 240 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: have held it, yet TikTok continues, and I guess Trump's 241 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: trying to work out some big beautiful deal to sell 242 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: TikTok because it's owned by the Chinese. But it's one 243 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: of these weird keys where the court spoken it didn't 244 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: really matter the law. The law still never went to effect. 245 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: Which is interesting because they don't have a self enforcing mechanism. 246 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: So for everyone who says, well, the Supreme Court ruled 247 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: this about Trump and they're so upset about it, you know, 248 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: he is disregarding the ruling. Well, who was the president 249 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: who said I've heard your ruling, now enforce it. I'm 250 00:13:59,200 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: trying to remember who that. 251 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: Well, people say with Jackson, but he never actually said 252 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: it's kind of miss okay, but it got the gist right. 253 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: United States versus Scrimmetti. 254 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 2: The Tennessee case, Oh this is a big one, Michael 255 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: so Tennessee, like Texas, enacted laws that banned what they 256 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: call gender transition medicine for minors. This is puberty blockers, 257 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: cross sex hormones, and then even you know, operations to 258 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: change genitals. People said that no, this law is unconstitutional, 259 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: it's for sex discrimination, and that it infringes in the 260 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 2: rights of parents to provide this medical treatment to their kids. 261 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: The courts put six to three in this one, and 262 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: the opinion was by Chief Justice Roberts. It was kind 263 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: of a narrow decision. All Roberts said is this is 264 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: just a regulation on age, because if you're over the 265 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: age of eighteen, you can get this treatment, but if 266 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: you're age eighteen you can't. I'm not sure if that's 267 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: quite right. I mean, it's pre much about sex that 268 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: if you are a boy and you want to get 269 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: these drugs and you're trying to become a girl, you can, 270 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: But if you're a boy trying to say the boy 271 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: you can get these drugs. It's kind of a weird ruling. 272 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: And it kind of avoided the underlying issue. I think 273 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: the basic issue here is the state can have an 274 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: interest in saying we don't want miners changing their genders, 275 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: and we think that this is something that could be 276 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: harmful to them later on in life, they might decide 277 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: to de transition that the science is far from settled 278 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: and we don't want this. So the court I think 279 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: got the right result, but the reasoning was not as 280 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: tige as it should have been. 281 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: Talk us all the way up to the break. I'm 282 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: going to give you talk through the music until we 283 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: cut you off. How has this court been different than 284 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: you expected. 285 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: It to be? Well, so far, I think the Court 286 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: had a fairly decent term, and I think more recently 287 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: they sort of said to the lower courts, you need 288 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: to stop the rate at which they're ruling against Trump 289 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: and basically stopping from doing anything as too much. A 290 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: lot of these cases will eventually get to the court 291 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: in a couple of years. We can't have these lower 292 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: courts issued universal injunctions. Uh. And after the we overo 293 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: talk about the Trump appointees. This was Kavanaugh's best term. 294 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: I think he did a pretty good job this term. 295 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: Gorcich okay, Barrett, okay, but Cabanat good one. 296 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: Good Professor Josh Blackman, mister money fans, thank you? 297 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: Is this low can't last long? So hurry into cricket City. 298 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: All right, John, let's get right to it. We've got 299 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: a lot of donut talk yet to do. Let's start 300 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: with James. Let's see if I can pot him up. James, 301 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: you and Michael Berry show your favorite. 302 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 4: It's Shipley in McAllen, Texas, right in the corner of 303 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 4: Kan and Tim Street. Hey, us is my favorite? 304 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: All right. I don't know if you're on a speakerphone 305 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: or a bluetooth, but please stay off of those. We're 306 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: already in a m medium and that means the listener 307 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: can't hear your call. Dustin, go, this is Dustin. 308 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 4: My favorite is probably the Shirley's Donuts and Friends with Texas. 309 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 4: I actually used to own it. Uh, and since I'm 310 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 4: a donut lover, there's not a donut in there that 311 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 4: I wouldn't eat. Uh. The Colotchis are fantasticday. I actually 312 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 4: do the fruit Colatchi's in there. But uh, you know, 313 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: everybody's got to check out Shirley's Donuts. It's also kind 314 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 4: of a hangout spot. We call the crew in there, 315 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: the coffee crew, same group of people coming there, about 316 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 4: nine to twelve people every almost every single day. So 317 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 4: did you see awesome spot? Yeah? So I sold it, 318 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 4: and me and my partners are actually gonna purchase it 319 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 4: back this coming August. So basically, it was one of 320 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 4: those Godfather's situations. Somebody came in and it was an 321 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 4: offer we couldn't refuse, So me and my family sold it. 322 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: Mean a lot of different things. Was it so much 323 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: money you couldn't refuse it? 324 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like we uh, we purchased it at 325 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 4: a fairly good price, you know, ninety thousand, sold it 326 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 4: for probably fifty thousand more just a couple of years later. 327 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 4: And considering we had other donut shops too, it's kind 328 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 4: of the way to go. 329 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: So tell me about the business. What what about the 330 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: what's the hardest thing about the business that people wouldn't expect? 331 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: What is the cost you wouldn't expect? What is the 332 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: profit you wouldn't expect? 333 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 5: Uh? 334 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 4: Sue, the profit is in the food, I mean, fairly 335 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 4: fairly cheap to make. But some of the some of 336 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 4: the oddball expenses are definitely like the ac goes out, 337 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 4: your mixer goes out, you got to get that repaired, 338 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 4: or you got to go to the other shop or 339 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 4: a buddy shop to get something going and sliding some 340 00:18:53,960 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 4: extra cash just to you know, make him happy. Sure, yeah, yeah, 341 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 4: and you can you can say that you can have 342 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 4: that kind of stuff budgeted to the side. But there's 343 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 4: stuff you just would never expect to happen. You know, 344 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 4: it might somebody might you know, accidentally bust the front 345 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 4: door wind out here, like who who would have expected 346 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 4: that to happen that day? But you know, just small 347 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 4: stuff like that is the unexpected stuff. But the what. 348 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: We're sales on a day, I'm assuming Saturday was your best. 349 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 4: Day, uh, Thursday through Sunday, And it just depends because literally. 350 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: Of course, it depends what's in what's an average day? 351 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: Give me a day that if that number came in, 352 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: you go, yep, that's a typical day on a on 353 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: a Saturday. 354 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 4: On a Saturday, twelve twelve to sixteen hundred. 355 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: And then on it where y'all open seven days a week? 356 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 4: Yep, seven days a week? 357 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, what would. 358 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: Be what would be a Monday or a Tuesday? What 359 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: would be sales on a day like that typically, Uh. 360 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: You could, you could have a horror day at like 361 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: four hundred at typical day seven hundred. 362 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: So in a week you're doing five orders and stuff. 363 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 4: So a week, yeah, yeah, probably I would say that 364 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 4: seven to nine on average, because that's not really including Yeah, 365 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 4: that's not including your church orders, you know, stuff like that. 366 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 4: That's just a regular walk in the door cut. 367 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I'm talking about what you ring up total. 368 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: You think you'd make seven a week, three fifty a 369 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: year grosser? 370 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, probably probably fifty grosser year. 371 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: Yet and then were you in the shop all day 372 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: or was it completely all employees? 373 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 4: Uh, considering I had other business going on, I was. 374 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 4: I was at least walked in there every single day. 375 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 4: There are some sometimes out I miss, like a like 376 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 4: a Friday or something like that where there was something 377 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 4: going else on in my other businesses. But I was 378 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 4: there almost every single day, or one of my family 379 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 4: members which were a family owned company. 380 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: So, and what would you guess profit in the year. 381 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 4: Profit? I would say fifty fifty five to seventy five, 382 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 4: just depending, So that's not looking at numbers, I'm. 383 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: Just yeah, no, no, no, Did you have a manager there. 384 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. 385 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 2: Good. 386 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 4: Uh, so we trained everybody to be a manager, so 387 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: everybody should know how to do everything besides the baking 388 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 4: and mixing. No, you know, everyone kind of had a 389 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 4: head on their shoulders there. We just don't hire anybody 390 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 4: within our company. 391 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: So you had coffee donuts? What else will coti Colachi's 392 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: What was the Colachi donut mix? 393 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 4: What do you mean? 394 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean? Was it ninety percent donuts? Ten percent? Colachis 395 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty? 396 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 3: Oh? 397 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 4: Prop? Yeah, prop fifty fifty. They're pretty they're pretty equal. 398 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, you avery interesting, Yeah, you might have you might 399 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 5: have a day like on Sunday where churches order donuts, 400 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 5: where you're you would have a bigger donut day. 401 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 4: But they were basically fifty fifty because almost every single 402 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 4: day you have your regulars come in. And which is 403 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 4: a Colachi is like the main seller to your everyday customer, 404 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 4: or a croissant Familich or something like that. 405 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: And what percentage would you say you threw away of 406 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: what you made? Because that seems to be managing managing 407 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: inventory like a bake, like any bakery, seems to be 408 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: the biggest challenge. 409 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, So from the start, I'll shoot I was. I 410 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 4: think I was twenty four twenty five when we purchased 411 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 4: our first shop, So at the beginning I was we 412 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 4: would go by trays, and now you're probably throwing away 413 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: at cost I would say twenty dollars one hundred. 414 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: Dollars a day. 415 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: Okay, that's not horrible. 416 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, And back in the day when I was so young, 417 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 4: it was just like I'll just toss them and keep 418 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 4: on making you build it they come kind of thing. 419 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 4: But I learned that's not the way to go. 420 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: But well, I guess it depends on the profitability because 421 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: if it's if it costs you ten percent product costs 422 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: to what you sell, then you're willing to risk what 423 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: three to five being too many, because it's a bigger 424 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: loss by not having what someone wants when they come 425 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: in than it is a loss of throwing a couple 426 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: of things away on average. But I guess you get 427 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: pretty good at figuring out what the what the sales 428 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: are going to be in a given day. 429 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 6: Yeah. 430 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: And then my family got into the food manufacturing. So 431 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 4: now that we're in the food manufacturing, it's like we 432 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 4: we know the back end all the way till when 433 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 4: the customer's taking the bite. So we got it completely 434 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 4: figured out. Now super efficient. Uh you know, and your 435 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 4: most your most expensive donut is like your blueberry donut, 436 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, twenty six stands or something 437 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 4: like that. But that's the that's the cost of the materials. 438 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 4: That's not it. 439 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: And what do you sell that donut? 440 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 4: About a dollar? 441 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: Okay? So it's twenty five percent labor costs, I mean 442 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: twenty five percent product costs. But I would guess labor correct, 443 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: labor equipment you buy? I guessing your you bought all 444 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: your equipment. You didn't lease any of it? 445 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, we're doing this. Yeah, no lease. 446 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: And then and then your your probably triple net rent 447 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: and everything that goes with that. I mean, that's not 448 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: nothing that that adds up. Try to make that a 449 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: dollar at a time, Kirk, Kirk Michaels told me that, 450 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: you know that what he was doing was thirty million 451 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: dollars a year, and I said, man, it's amazing, Kirk, 452 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, and that's sixteen cents at a time. 453 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: Think about that. 454 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 5: Michael Barry, you are. 455 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 7: More to Ring the King's English. 456 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: I wonder how many people my age know that song 457 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: and that Dusty Springfield sang it because of Tarantino's film. 458 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: Be interesting to know it's not one hundred percent is 459 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: not zero either. At some point we're going to talk 460 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: about bagels, and I don't think we'll get nearly the 461 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: response for bagels we did for doughnuts, but it is 462 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: a conversation worth having. I tend to be more of 463 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: a savory guy than a sweet guy at this point 464 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: in my life, and that wasn't always the case. I 465 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: have read or heard that we generally gravitated towards savory 466 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: and away from sweet the older we get. Now that 467 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: may not be true for you, but I'm just telling 468 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: you it's true for me, and I've heard that. But 469 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: I would like to have a bagel discussion at some point. 470 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: I saw a Jewish Deli advertising how great they're bagels 471 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: and cream cheese were. The other day. They're running a 472 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: smear campaign, Jim, A smear campaign. Yeah, I'll be here 473 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: all week for that one. I'll be here all week 474 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: a cyper. You know, it seems like every year we 475 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: get this story. I don't know that there's a way 476 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: around it because we love football, and I don't know 477 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: that we're doing the kids a favor by doing away 478 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: with football, and you do have to get in shape, 479 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: and this is the time before football all season to 480 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: do it. But it just breaks your heart to see it. 481 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: A Cypress Springs high school football player remains in a 482 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: coma after suffering a heat stroke following an outdoor training 483 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: session for the football team. ABC thirteen with a story. 484 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 6: A week ago, the future looked bright for seventeen year 485 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 6: old Jarvis Spires, a defensive nose tackle on the Cypress 486 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 6: Springs High school football team. He was eyeing colleges and 487 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 6: dreaming of the big leagues. 488 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 7: He is going to the NFL. 489 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: And I say going because when he speaks, he says, 490 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 3: one I make it to the NFL. 491 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 6: Well Saturday, those dreams seem to be in jeopardy. Spires, 492 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 6: so coming to a heat stroke during an outdoor training 493 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 6: session when. 494 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: There's a lot of athletes out here who you know, 495 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 3: don't understand the importance of being hydrated and staying hydrated. 496 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 6: By the tom Spires made it to the hospital. His 497 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 6: mom says he was already in a coma. Doctors managed 498 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 6: to resuscitate him, but then more complications. 499 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 7: This kidney's liver, all his organs have failed. 500 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 6: That's when doctors transferred him to Texas Children's Hospital after 501 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 6: his heart and lungs failed Tuesday. His mom says he 502 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 6: had to be put back under in a sense undergone 503 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 6: emergency surgery. 504 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 7: Well, the last thing that he said was Jesus is 505 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 7: my best friend. 506 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 3: And when he said that, I just it just made 507 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 3: me feel so good because I know, I know he's 508 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 3: in good hand. 509 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 6: Doctors can't predict when Spis will be healthy enough to 510 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 6: breathe on his own. Two Coma's an emergency operation and 511 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 6: who knows how long hooked up to a machine. 512 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 3: Going Jarvis and the leader he is, he's going to 513 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 3: start spreading awareness. He's going to use his testimony to 514 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: spread awareness. 515 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 6: A day they can't come soon enough for Spiss family. 516 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 6: Already impressed by the progress he's already made. 517 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 3: But the fact that he's still breathing, and he's still here, 518 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: and there's still a chance and I know he's going 519 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 3: to pull through. That's much as you're saying, this is 520 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: a miracault, just. 521 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: As I felt with every missing child from Camp Mystic. 522 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: I will say it again there but for the grace 523 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: of God go I. Every parent knows that could be 524 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: your kid. Every time you see an auto crash, every 525 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: time you see a suicide, every time you see a 526 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: drug overdose, every time you see a kid at camp 527 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: and the storm takes them away. Every time you see 528 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: any kind of accident, food, allergy, death, you name it. 529 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: You know, this one hits home for me because Michael 530 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: t the summer of his senior year was you know, 531 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: they were at their practices there two days before the 532 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: season started. It was an insanely hot summer, which that's 533 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: what summer is. And they have something called Hell Week 534 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: and they have it's led by the seniors and then 535 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: the younger first couple of days to build camaraderie on 536 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: the team. These are things football teams have done for 537 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: one hundred years. I'm not opposed to it. And so 538 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: there he is, and and you know he had trained 539 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: before practice, so he could be in good shape. And 540 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: the coach comes flying into our driveway and my wife 541 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: is outside playing pick a ball and I was at 542 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: the station. So they didn't they didn't, they didn't call 543 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: me first, and she said, he said, I need to 544 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: decide whether we take Michael to the emergency room, and 545 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: she's what's wrong? And so it turned out that it's 546 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: called rabdo my my losis or I'm going to get 547 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: the part after rabdo wrong. But what rabdo is, which 548 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: is a condition that is diagnosed much more often now, 549 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: is it is where your body sweats too much and 550 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: does not replenish what's going on, and you can go in. 551 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's what happened with this kid. I feel 552 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: certain that's probably what happened to him. And the body 553 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: is not sufficiently hydrated, and even if it is, you 554 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 1: can lose enough of the electrolytes because you can't just 555 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: replace water. You can push out all your minerals. And 556 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: he was hospitalized for several days, and the doctors, you know, 557 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: warned us if he ever plays again, which he did. 558 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: You're not going to tell an eighteen year old I'm 559 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: not going to play football, but this is what you 560 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: need to do. So we started researching it and I 561 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: call doctors and I talk to different people, and you 562 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: look online. There are professional athletes who have this problem. 563 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: And now it is diagnosed much more often and teams 564 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: are much more conscious of it. And it got me 565 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: to thinking, you know, Bear Bryant and the Junction boys 566 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: at Texas A and M and their training was thought 567 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: to be, you know, legendarily difficult, and part of the 568 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: differenceficulty of the Junction boys training at A and M 569 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: was in the heat. You weren't allowed to drink water 570 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: all day. That's how you toughened up the boys. That's 571 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: how you kill somebody. It turns out that water isn't 572 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: just an indulgence or a pleasant thing. Your body needs 573 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: that and the kidneys are what ended up shutting down, 574 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: and Michael's body had begun the shutdown process. And it's horrifying. 575 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: It is absolutely frightening to think how fast this thing 576 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: can go south. And some kids are more prone to 577 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: actually some human beings are more prone to it than others. 578 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: And it's just your body makeup. It's just like any 579 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: number of other things. But as I started studying more 580 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: about rabdo and how often that this happens, there are 581 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: more young people high school and college, particularly by the 582 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: pro those You've got trainers who are keeping an eyes 583 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: because these guys are assets. You know, you can't have 584 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: a professional athlete you're paying whatever it is, ten billion 585 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: dollars a year, you know, die on you. Whereas in 586 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: high school and in college they're probably a little less 587 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: sensitive to it, but even his high school after that, 588 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: they started pushing a lot harder on, you know, eating 589 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: the oranges and doing those sorts of things. So that 590 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: is your wake up called. Every parent out there, if 591 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: you're sending your kid off, whether it's band practice or 592 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: football or whatever else they're doing, make sure they're hydrated. 593 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: My wife has the stern, steadfast belief that over ninety 594 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: percent of Americans are dehydrated all the time. And I 595 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: thought she was crazy before, but I'm now increasingly of 596 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: the opinion that she is right. Don't We don't generally. 597 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: I mean, heck, for most of my life I didn't 598 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: drink any water, so whatever water I got was out 599 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: of a few vegetables. I don't anyway. I hope this 600 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: little fellow, Jarvis Spires, does come out of it and 601 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: has a great story to tell.