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Speaker 6: That gonna be the motto. We're gonna have to hear this.
Speaker 7: They're pretty good.
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Speaker 3: Got the well coaches. They talked to the coach the
Speaker 3: other day. They said, got explosive one right here in
Speaker 3: the house. Who is that, Maazi? They said explosive? They said,
Speaker 3: it gets off the ball.
Speaker 5: This is a question for you. We had a chance,
Speaker 5: that's what they said. We've had a chance.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: Is this the perfect opportunity to change the.
Speaker 5: Narrative about whatever you want to change the narrative about
Speaker 5: and speak truth in this building like you you've got?
Speaker 3: You got what truth? Though?
Speaker 6: That's what I'm asking there.
Speaker 3: There are multiple levels of truth, That's what I'm asking right,
Speaker 3: it's our truth, fast in the truth. But I do
Speaker 3: believe in the truth because truth, it's your truth, it's
Speaker 3: my truth, is their truth?
Speaker 6: I agree? But is there some truth to that? Since
Speaker 6: this is the second.
Speaker 3: Okay, you got the truth? The truth had there? You
Speaker 3: go there, you go re searching for the truth.
Speaker 5: They just pulled a beads got truth right red across
Speaker 5: his forehead, So.
Speaker 6: Are we starting off?
Speaker 5: I've heard a lot about everybody likes this coaching staff.
Speaker 6: Whoever's truth? You want to listen to.
Speaker 5: Everybody likes who Schottenheimer's bringing in some good quality hires.
Speaker 5: You know, the players seem to like the guys they're
Speaker 5: bringing in, bringing a lot of guys from college.
Speaker 3: Are we are.
Speaker 5: We starting to already have some of the same narratives
Speaker 5: that were rammed down our throat with the old administration.
Speaker 6: You've got a chance to break.
Speaker 5: Do your own thing right, do your own thing, create
Speaker 5: your own narratives.
Speaker 6: Take a wait and see the approach. Less guys are.
Speaker 5: Gonna earn their job. We're gonna we're gonna reevaluate. But
Speaker 5: we're starting off. To me, we're kind of starting off with, yeah,
Speaker 5: we got we we got the guys, do we We've
Speaker 5: heard that.
Speaker 6: Fifteen years.
Speaker 5: We've heard we got the guys, and then we get
Speaker 5: the guys, and then do we really have the guys? So, like,
Speaker 5: how do y'all feel about the way all this is
Speaker 5: because a lot has happened over the last week, week
Speaker 5: and a half.
Speaker 6: How do y'all feel about how it's I.
Speaker 7: Think a lot of that is just coach speak. I mean,
Speaker 7: they can't come out and say, man, our guy suck.
Speaker 7: Why can't you because they've got to be they've got
Speaker 7: to want. They need these guys to do.
Speaker 3: They didn't get their jobs that way.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, the job that way in being
Speaker 2: honest and being seeing what they see on film.
Speaker 3: Then if they hired them, then they could say that.
Speaker 3: But they didn't hire them.
Speaker 5: Right, So were we worried that we're starting off being
Speaker 5: a mouthpiece for the organization already and the players are
Speaker 5: starting to get comfortable before we've even stepped on the
Speaker 5: field because we got we got some good players, we
Speaker 5: got some guys. Why not just come in and go, look,
Speaker 5: this is the way this is. We're gonna look at everybody.
Speaker 5: This is competition. Best man up like we we're gonna
Speaker 5: reevaluate and trend.
Speaker 6: Don't let anybody get comfortable. We've been comfortable for twenty
Speaker 6: nine years around here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's why not come in and you know what
Speaker 5: I get it, he's a he's a player's coach. Like
Speaker 5: he doesn't he's probably not gonna want to rock the boat.
Speaker 5: And that's that's I think that's a If that's his way,
Speaker 5: that's his way, But why not come in and just
Speaker 5: put everybody on notice and be like, hold up.
Speaker 7: Hopefully they are maybe behind the scenes publicly, I don't think,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 6: Do it publicly.
Speaker 7: Two thirds of those guys, they're gonna have to follow them.
Speaker 7: You have to follow them, they have to coach. So
Speaker 7: I don't think they're gonna come in.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just you know, I just don't want. I just
Speaker 5: don't I guess I'm tired of being comfortable. I'm tired
Speaker 5: of everything's gonna be okay, We're good, We're good. I
Speaker 5: just want somebody to be like, hey, we'll see I
Speaker 5: don't know if we're good or not.
Speaker 6: We're gonna find out. We're gonna find out who wants
Speaker 6: to be here, who doesn't want to be here, and
Speaker 6: go through it. That's just me. How do you guys feel?
Speaker 3: I think, to Kurt's point, we're seeing from from Schottenheimer
Speaker 3: and from his coaching staff a lot of what the
Speaker 3: Jones is. Mister Jones and Stephen Jones sold us on
Speaker 3: in the press conference. They talked about Brian Schottenheimer being
Speaker 3: someone when it came to words, to saying words, to
Speaker 3: being able to galvanize a room with his words. That's
Speaker 3: what they sold us on. You see that the way
Speaker 3: the coaches are speaking, they're trying to have this positive
Speaker 3: influence for all the guys you know in this locker room.
Speaker 3: To your point, I agree with you. I think that
Speaker 3: there needs to be a level of uncomfortability. There shouldn't
Speaker 3: be many guys on this roster that should feel comfortable
Speaker 3: with their job security. There should be guys on this
Speaker 3: roster who come in here and have to know that
Speaker 3: a fight will have to be put up for your
Speaker 3: playing time. That you shouldn't be able to just waltz
Speaker 3: in here and be high on the hog because your
Speaker 3: coaches are just speaking that way. This little drought, this
Speaker 3: thirty year drought, this sevententeen that what it was last year.
Speaker 3: The boat needs to be rocked. There needs to be
Speaker 3: there needs to be a shift. There needs to be that. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: when you start talking about the type of people who
Speaker 3: can do that, one are those who have the skins
Speaker 3: on the wall on the NFL's level. Because all of
Speaker 3: these guys are really coming in here and you hear
Speaker 3: the college guys, a lot of college guys coming here,
Speaker 3: and the words that I'm hearing a lot is hey
Speaker 3: they develop, Hey they develop. These guys are they can develop,
Speaker 3: But they're not coming in here with the big skins
Speaker 3: on the wall as an NFL success story. So they're
Speaker 3: looking at guys in the locker room with not much
Speaker 3: NFL success trying to tell those other guys in the
Speaker 3: NFL locker who don't have much success. And now we
Speaker 3: both can't be looking at each other what not much
Speaker 3: success in the league that we're both trying to dominate it.
Speaker 3: So I do agree that we're hearing a lot of
Speaker 3: coach speak. I do agree that there needs to be
Speaker 3: a shift in the way that we approach this thing.
Speaker 3: There needs to be a more strict, more fine line
Speaker 3: more I don't want to say walking on eggshells, but
Speaker 3: when I called Date a couple of months ago and
Speaker 3: I asked him about Jimmy Johnson and how did that
Speaker 3: feel when Jimmy Johnson became the head coach of his
Speaker 3: football team, it needs to be a level of that.
Speaker 3: It needs to be a level of healthy fear. There
Speaker 3: needs to be a level of healthy fear that at
Speaker 3: any moment, my job can be gone because these guys
Speaker 3: didn't draft me, these guys didn't sign me. These guys
Speaker 3: weren't or you know, were or or or don't have
Speaker 3: any ties to me. There needs to be that level
Speaker 3: of healthy fear, and I think you can get that
Speaker 3: through public, Through the public, through the public language that
Speaker 3: you speak in the media. You can make people feel
Speaker 3: a healthy fear, and that I think is what may
Speaker 3: be necessary. The country club life is going to get
Speaker 3: you seven to ten again, gonna get you nine to eight.
Speaker 3: It's gonna get you, you know, eight and nine, the
Speaker 3: country club lifestyle, the you know kumba y'all, and everyone's
Speaker 3: you know this is this isn't an equal opportunity employer.
Speaker 3: That's not what football is. Everywhere every Jimmy said it
Speaker 3: a long time ago. Everybody gets treated fair, but everybody
Speaker 3: going to get treated the same, and there needs to
Speaker 3: be that level of here's how we're moving forward.
Speaker 7: This kind of he drops, you know, he said, obviously,
Speaker 7: the better players you have, the better they are, better
Speaker 7: you are or and this is a player's game, so
Speaker 7: the talent does matter. So he I felt like he
Speaker 7: dropped a couple of hymns that maybe they don't have
Speaker 7: who they want. But again, I don't think any of
Speaker 7: these guys are gonna come out and say, you know,
Speaker 7: and I don't know what ad Jimmy do. Did he
Speaker 7: talk publicly or you come in the first meeting say
Speaker 7: everybody's better be on their toes.
Speaker 2: No, it was a way different era of we coach
Speaker 2: can coach have to be firm and who he is.
Speaker 2: That's why you heard me say early when we first
Speaker 2: talked started talking about coach Schattenheimer is.
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 2: But when somebody get out of line or things don't
Speaker 2: go right, let's see what you do.
Speaker 3: Let's see how you respond.
Speaker 2: Do we have to well, we're gonna keep it in
Speaker 2: house and nothing ever get done or this guy has already,
Speaker 2: this has already been taken care of and you can
Speaker 2: visibly see it.
Speaker 3: So I just I just want to see what they're
Speaker 3: gonna do.
Speaker 2: I'm talking to a lot of people, like Jesse, having
Speaker 2: all of you guys, all of us talking to a
Speaker 2: lot of people, and and I can't say I know
Speaker 2: this for sure. So now everybody's waiting to see mode.
Speaker 2: You want eggshells, you want hey, you gotta be more political,
Speaker 2: you know, and just in the middle. And so I'm nowhere, bro,
Speaker 2: I'm just like, what is going to happen?
Speaker 7: I should say that. I don't necessarily think that I'm
Speaker 7: with you. I would like to see some I don't
Speaker 7: think they're going to say that publicly.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, they're not.
Speaker 2: The thing is, it's been a long time since we
Speaker 2: us talking heads have been in a position where we
Speaker 2: just can't throw any daggers. I mean what, we haven't
Speaker 2: even say what's a good record because we don't know
Speaker 2: what the players are. You've got twenty six free agents,
Speaker 2: so we can't say, well, hey, if they go seven wins,
Speaker 2: we can't even.
Speaker 3: Move forward because we don't know what to move forward with. What.
Speaker 2: You know, they just a bunch of They just like us,
Speaker 2: be honest with you. They just a bunch of guys
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: I don't know them.
Speaker 2: Jesse probably got a better end road than all of us,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: And I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't want them to public shame anybody or anything
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 3: I just public shaming works.
Speaker 6: You want that, I know you do public works.
Speaker 3: I just mean that public flogging can get you. I
Speaker 3: just want to.
Speaker 5: I just want them to say, you know, we don't
Speaker 5: know what we have, you know, we we know what's
Speaker 5: in the past, but we're moving forward and we're going
Speaker 5: to evaluate everybody at like, you know, like a new player,
Speaker 5: and the best guys are gonna be on the field
Speaker 5: because I don't think around here that's always been and
Speaker 5: maybe it won't. Maybe it can't be that way around here,
Speaker 5: the way this thing structured. Maybe you you can't put
Speaker 5: your best guys.
Speaker 6: On the field for you know, off the field reasons.
Speaker 3: I don't want people to get misconstrued. What when you
Speaker 3: hear because we we we throw this term around a
Speaker 3: lot and you hear, you know, a player's coach, right,
Speaker 3: We we throw that term around loosely. Yes, and and
Speaker 3: a lot of time I think you we we misinterpret
Speaker 3: what a true players coach is. And it's not. It's
Speaker 3: not a coach who is looking to it's not a
Speaker 3: coach that's looking to buddy buddy with the players.
Speaker 6: He's not soft.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not that, it's not it's not a
Speaker 3: guy that's looking to be like friendly. It's not a
Speaker 3: guy who's looking to have these you know.
Speaker 7: Go to duke basketball games with your go to.
Speaker 3: Do exactly to go to do basketball games like like
Speaker 3: that's not that's that. That's not the thing. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: that's not that. That's and by the way, that didn't
Speaker 3: go over well in the locker room. Just want to
Speaker 3: let people know that that wasn't well received by the
Speaker 3: others in the locker room, and that's something like that happened.
Speaker 3: But a player's coach is a guy that players in
Speaker 3: the locker room highly respect. That they highly respect, that
Speaker 3: they police themselves because there is that healthy boundary layden
Speaker 3: fear of that coach. But I know if I need
Speaker 3: something that he will be a person that stands alongside
Speaker 3: of me in it. But he's also a person who
Speaker 3: is not going to take andy bull and will have
Speaker 3: you wearing three shoes, two on your feet and one
Speaker 3: of your because that's how he's gonna get down. And
Speaker 3: and that that there's a there's a there's a very
Speaker 3: very because when you hear player coaches and you know
Speaker 3: and I people saying, oh, wait, way was a players call? Wait?
Speaker 3: People abuse that no matter how you address it, how
Speaker 3: you dress it up. The softer kinder meeker want to
Speaker 3: build friendships and all that kind of stuff. Type coach
Speaker 3: players men abuse it. They abuse the women in that way.
Speaker 3: If you have. If you have a woman who is
Speaker 3: meek and let you get away with anything and don't
Speaker 3: put boundaries on things. You're just it's in our nature.
Speaker 3: It's in our nature. We'll just keep doing it. If
Speaker 3: you let me do this and you say nothing about it,
Speaker 3: keep doing it over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 3: So when you hear players coach like the the the
Speaker 3: notion that that is something that will get the guys
Speaker 3: to know they abuse.
Speaker 2: A perfect example, Kareem Hunt, running back of Kansas City
Speaker 2: several years ago, was on the up.
Speaker 3: He lied to Coach Reed. Coach Reed cut him on
Speaker 3: the spot.
Speaker 2: Several years later, Coach Reed codes back and get this guy.
Speaker 2: And you ought to just hear the gushing admiration this
Speaker 2: kid had. I'm saying that that that's a players coach,
Speaker 2: because when Jimmy come to you and say, hey, man,
Speaker 2: tell me what happened. We on your side. Please tell
Speaker 2: me what happened. And if you lie to him, you
Speaker 2: were gone.
Speaker 3: On which you yest. That's good stuff.
Speaker 6: Would you say Jimmy was a players coach?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, you can't get a man hated him to death,
Speaker 2: love him to death. He let me tell you about
Speaker 2: great people, great players, great coaches. They are very, very selfish.
Speaker 2: But one thing they do have is they know they
Speaker 2: it takes others to get them to where they want.
Speaker 3: To go, and that's greatness.
Speaker 2: Why would Tom Brady call Belichick? They didn't have a
Speaker 2: nice ending, but why would he call him just to
Speaker 2: fill him out, just to see what was going?
Speaker 3: Why? Evidently was something there players. That's good stuff. Boy,
Speaker 3: that's some good stuff though.
Speaker 8: Man.
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Speaker 5: all right, good stuff that first segment about the coaching staff.
Speaker 5: We'll save the salary cap fantasy football talk for later
Speaker 5: so they can just glide on out of uh, glide
Speaker 5: on out of here, your guy Dez. Jesse had some
Speaker 5: comments to say on social media the last week, and
Speaker 5: this is something that you alluded to probably before last
Speaker 5: season even started.
Speaker 6: Des agrees with you.
Speaker 5: He thinks the Cowboys are rebuilding and he says it sucks.
Speaker 5: So how do we feel about, you know, the moves
Speaker 5: they made last year.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be very interesting. I think we'll know here.
Speaker 6: What a couple couple of weeks, two weeks, three weeks.
Speaker 3: When free agency saw March twelfth, and you see like
Speaker 3: one of the Jerry Jones family going their spring break vacation,
Speaker 3: family vacation. It's March tenth, so right, and they're gonna
Speaker 3: they have their annual. They have their annual. Why would
Speaker 3: you kill the segment they have their annual?
Speaker 6: Would you just get us all to be real quiet.
Speaker 3: What would you just kill? Don't they have their annual
Speaker 3: their annuals.
Speaker 5: I don't get in their personal business, Jesse. I just
Speaker 5: you know when I see it on social media, public.
Speaker 6: Social media will know about it. I don't know. I
Speaker 6: don't have access to their calendar.
Speaker 3: Just crushed, sick icht, I want to get on the yacht.
Speaker 6: What do you think their intentions will be in free agency?
Speaker 5: Do you think they're clearing out roster space and this
Speaker 5: is like a two year plan to get money and
Speaker 5: then go hard at it after this year, or do
Speaker 5: you think they're going to because you said earlier, was
Speaker 5: it twenty six free agents?
Speaker 3: Someone some worm shape of fashion.
Speaker 5: And it looks like you're already not gonna be able
Speaker 5: to keep osa right.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 3: They're gonna just getting more and more expensive the day.
Speaker 3: As the days go along, you're getting more and more.
Speaker 6: I'm so glad they get more expensive.
Speaker 5: Players must all good players must just love being free
Speaker 5: agents here because you get the brand behind you, you
Speaker 5: get TV time, and you know they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 5: wait till the end of your contract to do anything
Speaker 5: with it, so you're gonna get maximum dollars out of
Speaker 5: it whether you stay here or go somewhere. It must
Speaker 5: just be like novel, let it ride. I hope I
Speaker 5: don't get hurt, just get to the end of the same.
Speaker 5: But what do you guys think as far as free agency?
Speaker 5: Do you do you look for a massive, just brand
Speaker 5: new looking roster or do you think they'll you know,
Speaker 5: they talk about keeping their own right. Do you think
Speaker 5: they'll be aggressive and try to keep the guys here
Speaker 5: or do you think they're gonna clean out money and
Speaker 5: try to start somewhat as Dad says, rebuild and start for.
Speaker 6: It because you've already kind of did it last year, right,
Speaker 6: you let us some big contracts go. What do you
Speaker 6: think is gonna happen this year?
Speaker 3: My personal opinion, and it ties back into the type
Speaker 3: of coaches that they have brought on. They brought in
Speaker 3: all of these coaches, and again we keep hearing the
Speaker 3: same thing, develop, develop, develop, Develop. The difference between the
Speaker 3: NFL and NCAA is you have time, You got guys,
Speaker 3: have red shirt years. You got guys who are there
Speaker 3: doing winter workouts, spring ball. They never leave, They never leave,
Speaker 3: right like, you always have access to these guys to develop.
Speaker 3: It's not like when you guys know it's busy here.
Speaker 3: One day that season ends, ghost Town. You don't see it.
Speaker 3: You know, next time you might see it. Joke, it
Speaker 3: gonna be on social media. He gonna be two shades
Speaker 3: in a way. And so the coaching staff and what
Speaker 3: they're good at leads me to believe that they're going
Speaker 3: back or staying with their mo draft develop, draft, develop,
Speaker 3: and so in this process they're in that rebuilding stage
Speaker 3: because when they when they had money, when the Dak
Speaker 3: was on his rookie deal, they didn't spend money in
Speaker 3: free agency. They have they have long been one of
Speaker 3: the least spending teams and the numbers document that spending
Speaker 3: in free agency. So unless the thirty years drought is
Speaker 3: all of a sudden coming to an end, this is
Speaker 3: a part of their rebuild.
Speaker 5: Do they do it a good enough job at because
Speaker 5: that's their that's what they do. They they draft, they develop,
Speaker 5: and when the price gets to how they let.
Speaker 6: Them go, they they don't. They don't keep gouy unless.
Speaker 5: It's a superstar, a Dak or a Mic or you know,
Speaker 5: a skilled, high high skill position player. Right, do you
Speaker 5: think they do a good enough job? Obviously the results
Speaker 5: aren't there. But from a player development standpoint, are they
Speaker 5: doing a good enough job keeping that pipeline going to
Speaker 5: where that's a good business model or should they develop
Speaker 5: them and then when they get when the price gets
Speaker 5: too high, should they be paying some of these guys
Speaker 5: and not let them go.
Speaker 7: To me.
Speaker 3: It's it's you you will McLay and his drafting, his
Speaker 3: scouts and is drafting they for the time that he's
Speaker 3: been here, relatively speaking, they've been really good at it.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 3: They they your favorite players that you enjoy watching and
Speaker 3: have Buck jerseys and have posters on the walls and
Speaker 3: come to see play every Sunday. Has grown. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: when you miss, and they've missed in the last two years,
Speaker 3: which is set back the process because the process you
Speaker 3: want to have is you want to be able to
Speaker 3: draft these guys, develop these guys, and now they be
Speaker 3: so good that I don't the pieces that I bring
Speaker 3: in don't have to be these great pieces, right, I
Speaker 3: can go and get these smaller pieces to go with
Speaker 3: the pieces that we've developed, homegrown, developed, and now we're
Speaker 3: able to go out there and put twelve and five seasons, thirteen,
Speaker 3: three seasons and fourteen whatever that number is. But when
Speaker 3: you miss, especially in your first three rounds, it sets
Speaker 3: you back significantly because those guys, first round guys, they
Speaker 3: gotta have I media impact. If you're a first round guy,
Speaker 3: you have to have a high percentage of being an
Speaker 3: immediate impact player. Second round guy, same thing, third round guy.
Speaker 3: We're looking for you to look, we're looking for you
Speaker 3: to be in the mix of this thing. Now. Anything
Speaker 3: that I get in the fourth, fifth, sixth round free agent,
Speaker 3: excuse me, undrafted, are those are helping pieces if they hit,
Speaker 3: bonus if they don't hit. Not actually looking from the
Speaker 3: hit right now, those are the developed guys that we're
Speaker 3: looking at. But when we don't hit in the first
Speaker 3: three rounds two years in a row, you set your
Speaker 3: franchise back. Now because you're saying, we have so many
Speaker 3: holes now coming into this year. Mazi didn't hit where
Speaker 3: you have a hole at defensive line. For what it
Speaker 3: looks like today, Tyler Guiden didn't hit, you have another
Speaker 3: hole in the offensive line, right your your maris little
Speaker 3: foul was okay. Uh the marion he got, he got,
Speaker 3: he got hurt. So created more holes. So Schoolmaker didn't hit,
Speaker 3: Kneeland got hurt. Sam Williams a couple of years ago
Speaker 3: got hurt. So now all the guys that you've needed
Speaker 3: to be impact players for your draft development and then
Speaker 3: get the swallow pieces to come in haven't hit. So
Speaker 3: that's at you so far back to now you have
Speaker 3: found yourself in a place three years later of we
Speaker 3: got to reach. I have to get a guy that hits.
Speaker 3: Now I have to now pay a cost to a
Speaker 3: guy like Osa. And I said to some of my
Speaker 3: other shows about a guy like Osa is. Osa's value
Speaker 3: has become a product of the system. Oh say the
Speaker 3: twenty million dollar play, y'all, Like, I'm not. I don't
Speaker 3: want to Osa. I want you to get all the moneys.
Speaker 3: You could possibly get all of it, all of it,
Speaker 3: all of it. But Osa is not a He's not
Speaker 3: he's not a ninety million dollar football player. But he'll
Speaker 3: get that. He'll get that because of the way that
Speaker 3: the Cowboys did their situation and not having guys hit.
Speaker 3: If Bozzie hits, If Bozzie hits, Osa is a foegone conclusion.
Speaker 3: If Mozzie who they thought Mozzie was supposed to be,
Speaker 3: they say, oh, so we I got I got fifteen
Speaker 3: million dollars for you. I got two years fifteen million.
Speaker 3: Do I got twenty million dollars for you for three years,
Speaker 3: and now you become a piece of it. But because
Speaker 3: Mazzi didn't hit, and it looked so bad, and the
Speaker 3: others around him didn't hit, and it looks so bad,
Speaker 3: and he stood out. Now you look around and it's
Speaker 3: not a big market. It's it's not a bunch of
Speaker 3: free agent defensive interior defensive lineman right now. The value
Speaker 3: goes up supply and demand.
Speaker 5: So it's a good business model as long as you
Speaker 5: don't have injuries and you don't miss, and you don't miss,
Speaker 5: which which everybody misses and everybody, but when you missed.
Speaker 3: Two years in the like right, listen, they drafted Tyron Smith,
Speaker 3: they drafted Zach Martin, they drafted Frederick's Zeke dak CD
Speaker 3: CD Mikah, Like there were teams that they had that
Speaker 3: was purely draft based players, Like the stars of the
Speaker 3: team were god that were drafted and developed and they
Speaker 3: hit over and over and over. You're like, you look up,
Speaker 3: You're like, damn, it's a good football team. You look
Speaker 3: at that. Twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen, twenty sixteen type teams.
Speaker 3: Those teams were damn good teams.
Speaker 6: Well they didn't. They didn't really miss a first rounder.
Speaker 6: They were hitting for till what last uh two years?
Speaker 7: Yeah, talker Charlton, right.
Speaker 3: It will never be. They never missed on offensive ever.
Speaker 3: They were hitting. They were hitting, and when you hit
Speaker 3: the way they were hitting, those gods will turn it
Speaker 3: in the Pro bowlers.
Speaker 5: So do you just nate if you're them and you're like,
Speaker 5: we're really really good at this, we're not so great
Speaker 5: at drafting. In the first few rounds. You can't stop
Speaker 5: those guys from Michigan. So let's don't ever take a
Speaker 5: guy from Michigan. Let's just draft first round live.
Speaker 3: Lewis is a good Yuy, you still got to do
Speaker 3: your homework.
Speaker 6: I love George not in that mix.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm that guy, the best guy regardless of
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want nothing to do with Michigan.
Speaker 3: But if that guy is the man Mason Graham Michigan player,
Speaker 3: we will well, he will be there if he gets
Speaker 3: there at twelve, whoa, you know, so it might be
Speaker 3: a gas mask situation. I even think still, I still
Speaker 3: believe if he has a gas mask on he ain't
Speaker 3: making it to.
Speaker 5: Twelve, But would you, like, is that a valid question
Speaker 5: if you're really that good at hitting on offensive lineman
Speaker 5: and trading back and knowing like I can do this
Speaker 5: and you need like it's what is that not a
Speaker 5: bad business model? Like, hey, we know we're gonna nail this.
Speaker 5: Or do you always still just say it's best player?
Speaker 5: I mean, everybody's gonna say best player.
Speaker 7: You felt last year off it's you probably reached out
Speaker 7: for him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you reached right the other ones you didn't
Speaker 6: really reach for. Well, I guess.
Speaker 3: I don't get you had about you had a battle
Speaker 3: for uh for Zack Martin. You had a battle. Yeah,
Speaker 3: boss was going with Johnny Manziel. Yeah, Boss was getting
Speaker 3: Boss said give me Johnny Manzel. They said, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 3: whoa whoa? Do you not hear Coach said about behind clothes.
Speaker 3: Let's go get something a little bit more confident we
Speaker 3: can we can rely on. And it worked out right
Speaker 3: because Zach Martin gave you, I mean ten nine ten years,
Speaker 3: great years.
Speaker 5: That pick was we we did mean tweets that year
Speaker 5: and that was probably the most real relatable tweet I'd
Speaker 5: ever heard you know, we've got the guys to read
Speaker 5: the players, I mean the players to read the tweets,
Speaker 5: and it was I really liked the Zach Martin pick,
Speaker 5: but it's like one of Xbox one for Christmas and
Speaker 5: getting a pair of socks.
Speaker 3: I remember that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, let's take our last break. We will
Speaker 5: talk about is the salary cap even real? And is
Speaker 5: there anybody on this team that you guys would franchise
Speaker 5: if you were running the organization, And maybe a couple
Speaker 5: of other.
Speaker 6: Things if we can get to them. When we come
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Speaker 12: Yes, saw Baby, Jig, saw hight Nate. We met mentioned
Speaker 12: salary cap and you almost today he is. We just
Speaker 12: mentioned salary cap and you almost took the head bones off.
Speaker 6: And walked out.
Speaker 5: Why why what do you have? Why are you so
Speaker 5: angry at the salary cap?
Speaker 2: Because for the last seven eight years we've we've talked
Speaker 2: about Sarah cap, Sarah cap, and it didn't benefit us.
Speaker 2: And we had decent players and it didn't benefit us. Okay,
Speaker 2: now we spend to talk sary Cap, sary Cap and
Speaker 2: the player and the players, we don't have the same
Speaker 2: quality of players.
Speaker 3: What good is it gonna do us?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean when we when we had a chance
Speaker 2: to get it, to get guys in free agency to
Speaker 2: help us get over the top, mainly that Green Bay
Speaker 2: year when we flopped, we could have went out and
Speaker 2: found us somebody defensively that could have could have brought
Speaker 2: some pressure or something.
Speaker 7: It's time they Yeah, you talked about draft developed earlier.
Speaker 7: I mean it's time they need to. I mean, all
Speaker 7: these teams are making runs. They've you know, free agents.
Speaker 7: You know, maybe it's time to use some free.
Speaker 2: Agency and people keep you know, you listen to folks
Speaker 2: you know around here, the cap ologies not that people
Speaker 2: over there in mister Jones office from about our media
Speaker 2: can just tell you this, this, this, this this, and
Speaker 2: feed D fans all of this, this, this, this, this this, well,
Speaker 2: just four or five years ago, three four years ago
Speaker 2: to Rams, they said the RAMS is gonna be in
Speaker 2: cap Hill. But the SCD to me, that was in
Speaker 2: the second round, the second round of the playoffs. It
Speaker 2: was in the second round of the playoffs. He's how
Speaker 2: many Eagles was goin to fall off because they had
Speaker 2: what it was gonna be in Caphill. They won the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl in cap Hill.
Speaker 3: I can't get that. I can't buy it. Not I'm
Speaker 3: a fan.
Speaker 2: I buy season tickets, so I can't buy it. I'm
Speaker 2: buying season tickets. I want to know getting cap hell
Speaker 2: so my wife.
Speaker 6: Can be happy.
Speaker 3: Sounded like a woman, right, get it? Make me?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So there, So there, there's gonna be a bump in
Speaker 5: the salary cap somewhere between what is it, kurt two
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy seven to two hundred and eighty one
Speaker 5: million somewhere in there.
Speaker 7: In two hundred and fifty five passed.
Speaker 3: It's about a twenty something million dollar bump.
Speaker 5: Which it goes up what every year, every couple of years,
Speaker 5: every year the TV money.
Speaker 3: Last year it went up.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is a bigger bump than ever.
Speaker 3: Than it normally is. So somewhere around like fifty six million.
Speaker 3: Over the last two years, the salary cap has raised
Speaker 3: two years fifty six million.
Speaker 6: So is it a real Is it a real number?
Speaker 5: Because like Nate said, you keep hearing their in cap hell.
Speaker 5: But they everybody keeps finding creative ways to push the
Speaker 5: money back, and you just keep pushing it, pushing it.
Speaker 5: We talked about that on the last show. And as
Speaker 5: the pie grows, the salaries grow, so it eats up
Speaker 5: the extra money because they can spend more on guys,
Speaker 5: and then then it brings the market up. So you're
Speaker 5: really just chasing. It's like inflation, right, You're just it's.
Speaker 3: The credit card. Yeah, it's the credit card.
Speaker 6: You make more money, but the eggs cost more.
Speaker 5: But right, you know, and then it just you know,
Speaker 5: you're not really there's really no extra money there.
Speaker 3: But the the ingenious way or the the way that
Speaker 3: people are trying to look like the Philadelphia is the
Speaker 3: best example right now. It's the best example. The first
Speaker 3: thing the Cowboys when you're talking about salary cap money
Speaker 3: is you got to stop doing what you're doing now,
Speaker 3: meaning you let Osa get to the end of his deal.
Speaker 3: Let everybody get to the end of their deal. Right Osa,
Speaker 3: two years ago, if this was a player that you
Speaker 3: looked at, it said Osi a Diggiezua, I like you,
Speaker 3: I won't you No, I like you Geld It.
Speaker 6: Got even for half half right.
Speaker 3: But what you've done now is I created the market.
Speaker 3: I now have control over this player at a reasonable
Speaker 3: price that I can push further along if I like to, right,
Speaker 3: And now I can go and use that other money
Speaker 3: to bring in other players. But you let these guys
Speaker 3: get to the end of their deal and like Osa
Speaker 3: for example, who this isn't I don't like when I
Speaker 3: say it. I don't want to come up like I'm
Speaker 3: sounding like I'm shading Osa. But you let them get
Speaker 3: to an end of the deal and have a good year.
Speaker 3: And now you're facing the market now when you didn't
Speaker 3: have to face the market two years ago. If this
Speaker 3: was the guy that you were going to bring and
Speaker 3: anticipation that the market is the salary cat will go
Speaker 3: up after about it. Last year he thought it was
Speaker 3: going to go up ten million. It went up sixteen
Speaker 3: million or whatever it is. So it's football is not dying, fellas.
Speaker 3: This is not a dying sport. This is not basketball,
Speaker 3: This ain't baseball, this ain't hockey. This is the most
Speaker 3: profitable sport in all of sports. It keeps growing. The
Speaker 3: TV deals, the marketing deals, it just keeps rising. It
Speaker 3: is the It is when you go. When you look
Speaker 3: at the TV ratings and now football is everywhere. You
Speaker 3: got a hard time finding football. It's it's on nineteen networks.
Speaker 3: It's on nineteen networks. You gotta have twenty seven thousand
Speaker 3: streaming services to see football. Last year, football was played
Speaker 3: on every single day except Tuesday. Coming soon, it was
Speaker 3: played on every single day of the week except Tuesday
Speaker 3: or Wednesday, one of the two. But it was played
Speaker 3: on every single day. They got it on Amazon, they
Speaker 3: got an own Prime, they got an own Hulu, they
Speaker 3: got it on YouTube. That is everywhere. The numbers ain't
Speaker 3: going down. When you're going, you back and you watch
Speaker 3: how football is being watched. They did the top one
Speaker 3: hundred viewing things on TV ninety seven of them was football.
Speaker 3: Ninety seven of them were football. The top three were football,
Speaker 3: top ten were football. I think it was like the
Speaker 3: Grammys and something else. Of the top one hundred viewed
Speaker 3: things on foot on TV ninety seven or football games.
Speaker 3: The money will be there. They have to be willing
Speaker 3: to buck what they are comfortable doing.
Speaker 7: This is.
Speaker 3: This is at times why people ask for a new
Speaker 3: GM because when you don't, you ever have the seat
Speaker 3: being hot. Jerry's I don't care what people say. I
Speaker 3: don't care what people say. That seat ain't never hot.
Speaker 3: I don't give a damn what people say. I don't
Speaker 3: care what the fans see. They't hot. The only the
Speaker 3: only person that he's fighting against with that seat is
Speaker 3: Hiven father time. That's it.
Speaker 9: That set.
Speaker 3: It ain't hot. So I don't have to move in
Speaker 3: such a way. You move, you move in these certain ways,
Speaker 3: you get super duper creative, You get super duper innovative
Speaker 3: and and and sometimes desperate warriors when you get in
Speaker 3: the hot seat, when you're when your back's against the wall,
Speaker 3: when you have to perform because you know that your
Speaker 3: job may be up if you don't. Why do I?
Speaker 3: Why do I have to change my ways?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 3: As the young people say, who checking me? Boo? Who
Speaker 3: checking me? Nobody's checking me? And when we start talking
Speaker 3: about you're starting to see now teams starting to sell
Speaker 3: portions of their of their franchise to get some liquid
Speaker 3: cash to make these particular moves, because they're saying, if
Speaker 3: we pay, if we pay the bill up front, we
Speaker 3: get the product. We'll make the money on the back
Speaker 3: end in merchandise and ticket sales and parking and all
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. The problem is Jerry's saying, I
Speaker 3: already won. I already win that already what you're trying
Speaker 3: to do, I'm already want. I'm already the best selling
Speaker 3: in merchandise. I'm already the best selling in concessions. Set
Speaker 3: out the Legends concessions. I'm already the best in attendance
Speaker 3: every single year. I have one hundred thousand seeds on
Speaker 3: My parking is probably the best because I have one
Speaker 3: of the biggest stadiums Watch Change, So that's the money's
Speaker 3: there to do these things. It's there. You have to
Speaker 3: be willing and wanting to do it to be competitive.
Speaker 6: Nate, would you franchise anybody on this year?
Speaker 3: No, sir, No, nobody's good enough.
Speaker 5: Just had a good stat that he told us in
Speaker 5: the break eight eight players last year were franchise league wide.
Speaker 6: Is there anybody you guys franchise here?
Speaker 5: Yeah, not not worth paying that price.
Speaker 6: No top five money, All right, Kurt? Anything else you
Speaker 6: want to hear before we get out of here?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess the old Brian really apology thought our
Speaker 7: first segment was horrible?
Speaker 3: Brian? Yeah, who is Brian? Exactly? What talk about called
Speaker 3: me as we love your brother.
Speaker 6: I guess we talked to thanks for watching too much.
Speaker 6: We got your See what happens when we finally talked football.
Speaker 6: No one wants to hear no one wants to hear
Speaker 6: us talking about football.
Speaker 3: I'm reading the book. I'm reading the new book. I
Speaker 3: said to my Yeah, I'm reading. I'm reading books twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five. Okay, what you're reading? The first book I'm
Speaker 3: reading it's called Four Agreements. Okay, and so that's my
Speaker 3: first book of twenty twenty about the four agreements. It's
Speaker 3: it's it's reprogram in your mind and freeing yourself up
Speaker 3: of the old agreements that you've made in your life
Speaker 3: with these four new agreements. Uh, that you would and uh.
Speaker 3: The four agreements are one is being being peccable with
Speaker 3: your word. The second agreement is I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 3: rest this up. But the second agreement is, shoot, I
Speaker 3: just was reading sapter you last night. Uh, never take
Speaker 3: anything personally. The third agreement is what's the third agreement, Jess?
Speaker 3: I don't know. The fourth agreement, UH will be I
Speaker 3: haven't gotten that chapter yet, but that one's going to be.
Speaker 2: Uh, just do your best forget the third one.
Speaker 3: Our words are impeccable, though, and we don't. We don't.
Speaker 3: We don't take it personally. See, it's not a it's
Speaker 3: not what you're saying about us. It's not about us.
Speaker 3: It's about you, and we don't take it personally at
Speaker 3: all at all. We want you to continue to be
Speaker 3: who you are and whatever you believe, and you trust
Speaker 3: in you that's what you believe, and we'll do what
Speaker 3: we do. But we thank you for listening.
Speaker 7: I think he just felt like we coaches wouldn't dog
Speaker 7: their players publicly.
Speaker 6: I say, otherwise, I didn't say dog that that miss
Speaker 6: dog is.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't even thank you. My whole thing was, don't
Speaker 5: talk about specific players. Just say hey, we're going to
Speaker 5: evaluate every position. I feel like that's that's not.
Speaker 7: I haven't heard this before. He says that Jimmy said
Speaker 7: that to cut you because you're overweight, but then he
Speaker 7: gave you a chance and you proved him wrong.
Speaker 2: No, it was, uh no, it didn't totally come like that. No, no,
Speaker 2: because everybody wanted Jimmy to cut me. Jimmy said, we don't.
Speaker 2: We're not looking at the same film. Basically, you tell them.
Speaker 3: You know you're not. We're not looking at the same film.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Four agreements, be impeccable with your word. The
Speaker 3: second agreement, don't take anything personally. We don't take anything
Speaker 3: personally here. The third agreement is don't make assumptions. Don't
Speaker 3: make assumption in. The fourth agreement is always do your
Speaker 3: best at least.
Speaker 2: I'm on the third one. I'm not making an assumption
Speaker 2: or this coach you staff for players.
Speaker 5: I'm reading a new book to what Oscar the Grouch
Speaker 5: South of every every night.
Speaker 3: That's I'm reading a new book too. What it's called Backpack.
Speaker 6: I'm getting better, Nate better, getting better?
Speaker 13: What Chris Chris Chris, he's been out of town for
Speaker 13: a week.
Speaker 6: Yes, we haven't played together in probably two or three
Speaker 6: weeks month.
Speaker 3: I think you know who loves our show, My homegirl, Shelby.
Speaker 3: I call the shows. Shelby loves our show. She thinks
Speaker 3: our show is hilarious.
Speaker 6: Thanks Shelby.
Speaker 3: She never listens to our so she never listens to
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Speaker 3: she goes to the gym. So our show air today,
Speaker 3: She's gonna watch it tomorrow morning. When she goes to
Speaker 3: the Jets. She's working out, and she's like, people think
Speaker 3: I'm crazy because the way I'd be dying. Laugh and
Speaker 3: watch her hang with the boys at six am in
Speaker 3: the morning on the treadmill. Keep it, keep it real,
Speaker 3: miss Shelby.
Speaker 6: We'll have to go back to non football talk for
Speaker 6: Shelby next week.
Speaker 3: Since we're she loves it all.
Speaker 6: She loves it all, so good stuff. I talk to
Speaker 6: Combine and what Jesse's scores were.
Speaker 3: No, we're not talking about that anymore. We're not We're
Speaker 3: not what you did to Combine slow.
Speaker 6: This is you got invited to the combin.
Speaker 3: This is why. This is why I was a guy.
Speaker 3: If I ran faster, it would have been better.
Speaker 6: But you were at the combine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were there forty four five.
Speaker 6: We can look it up. Let's slick it up next week.
Speaker 5: Let's slick it up next week, and the stats next week.
Speaker 5: If you find some footage too, Chris.
Speaker 3: There's no footage, there's sure, trust me, there's no footage. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm backing.
Speaker 6: A long time now. It's alphabetic order. You can't be
Speaker 6: the back of the line.
Speaker 3: And it was like, hey, you just get back. Was
Speaker 3: the back of the group.
Speaker 14: So you're one of those guys that at the combine
Speaker 14: is like, you know, some guys like now, I'm not
Speaker 14: going to do that drill, and just he's like, no,
Speaker 14: I'll do it every drill.
Speaker 5: Every drill, I'll catch every quarterback, I'll run every route.
Speaker 5: Just get me out there, just maybe somebody will see me.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm knocking on teams though, Like y'all want
Speaker 3: to talk to me round you about the chick your fingers? Nah,
Speaker 3: keep walking, and I think Jesse will agree with me.
Speaker 14: The guy you do not want to be, okay, is
Speaker 14: the drill they do where they like catch the ball
Speaker 14: one way and catch the ball next and they run
Speaker 14: down that straight line.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm talking the gauntlet, right.
Speaker 14: You don't want to be the guy that gets hitting
Speaker 14: the head of the ball, because it happens at.
Speaker 6: Least once.
Speaker 14: Guys look into the right every ball come right from
Speaker 14: the left and just get them.
Speaker 6: If you can pull at least a photo of Jesse
Speaker 6: at the combine, if I'm sure.
Speaker 14: I can probably go to the scout and get one
Speaker 14: of the Let's go all right, fellas, good seeing y'all.
Speaker 6: See you next week, same time, same place.
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