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Speaker 2: Francelle White, who has written the book The Paris Girl,

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Speaker 2: and it is about her mother in the French Resistance,

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Speaker 2: and I would like to welcome her all the way

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Speaker 2: from London on our show this morning.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, good afternoon. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You noticed with you, You're very welcome. I was so

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Speaker 2: excited to have you on. And you notice how I

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Speaker 2: right now I'm filming this and it's eight am in

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Speaker 2: Utah and it's about what three pm instory.

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Speaker 3: Is three pm here? Yeah, yeah, I've already been to

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Speaker 3: the gym and I've done the cook and everything else.

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Speaker 2: That's funny. And have you already had some tea today?

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Speaker 3: Sorry?

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Speaker 2: Have you had tea today?

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Speaker 2: Oh four o'clock. Is tea time is about four o'clock?

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Speaker 2: Oh, so I've got you until about tea time. Perfect now, now, Anne,

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Speaker 2: you know your publicist reached out and said, hey, Rad,

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Speaker 2: we'd love to have you know, francell on and talk

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Speaker 2: about a Paris Girl and the book Paris Girl, it

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Speaker 2: kind of it's very captivating when I start reading it

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Speaker 2: and that's like you're like the daughter of the French Resistance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's her story, it's her wartime story. She's an

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Speaker 2: Life, the actual Gestapo, you know, like she was living

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Speaker 3: That's the extraordinary think. She was working at police headquarters

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Speaker 4: And it's like the students mainly at that time, right,

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Speaker 2: And then she became a mom with you, you know,

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Speaker 3: That's wonderful. It'd be great if they'd buy it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, buy the book and read about

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Speaker 2: her mom. But her mom then became her mom like

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Speaker 3: Unusual what happened because she was French and at the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's okay, time for a new life. And what

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Speaker 2: Right, and then also your mom was kind of hanging

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Speaker 3: All. She had an amazing life. I mean, she was

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Speaker 2: You know, and just to kind of like talk about

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Speaker 2: as millions of people were suffering, a powerful resistance movement

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Speaker 2: We would make a remarkable contribution to the war effort

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Speaker 2: with a dazzling combination of bravery, modesty, and energy. She

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Speaker 2: written by Andre's daughter Franzel, which we have will be

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Speaker 2: based upon her mother's journals written in detail throughout World

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Speaker 2: So not only is this a fascinating glimpse into life

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Speaker 2: I love that. I love that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, there's some of the anecdotes, yeah, which did you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they sold for a lot of money,

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Speaker 2: great show. I do suggest going to see Wicked if

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Speaker 3: That would be wonderful. I love I love meeting people

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Speaker 3: I do speak French.

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Speaker 3: I need to learn because my mother was French.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly, Yeah, I love that. Well, my ancestry

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Speaker 3: It takes you past the lourever, it takes you to

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Speaker 2: like here's your gun, here's your bayonet, and typewriter, and

436
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: he had to take that everywhere. Fact in fact, my

437
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: dad called him a Remington Raider because he knew Remington Raider. Okay, okay,

438
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: because the typewriter was called Remington, and so he'sator, you know,

439
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: And so your mom had a skill set to type. Yes, yes,

440
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 2: I mean that wasn't normal back then.

441
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 3: I suppose so, because you know, by the time I

442
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: was her age, the whole system had changed. I mean,

443
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 3: we were into computers, we were into completely different.

444
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: Changing ribbons on the machine and just pulling the letter

445
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 2: backs because it's so we're doing it.

446
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have these things in museums. We don't have

447
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: them anymore.

448
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: I still have my dad's typewriter, yes, yes, oh yeah, yeah.

449
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 3: But one of the things that people have enjoyed about

450
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 3: my book is is the fact they say that the journals,

451
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: which is she was writing about some of the things

452
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 3: she did, and a lot of people have told me

453
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 3: it's the journals that bring the story to life. You

454
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: get a lot of historical novels, or you get a

455
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 3: lot of history written by historians, but it's the diaries

456
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 3: that really bring it to life. The fact that she says,

457
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how much I hate the Germans.

458
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: I wish they oway, you know, and different things like that.

459
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: There's inserts like that, well she talks to her journal,

460
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 2: Well we made it this far journal, we made it

461
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: into the police station, or we made it here journal,

462
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, like well, you know, she's like today, I

463
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: think there's a quote in there that says war was declared. Yes.

464
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: She describes how she describes on the I think it

465
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 3: was the fourteenth of June nineteen forty the Germans walked

466
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 3: down the Chancelicia and marched into police headquarters. And she

467
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: talks about her diary entry that day is she said,

468
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: I've been so brave until now, and then I completely

469
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: fell apart and I cried for ten minutes. I cried

470
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 3: solidly because it was so awful for them.

471
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and what just and then there was a

472
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: couple of days where there's like maybe there was injuries,

473
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: but you just didn't put them in the book. Right.

474
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: It was like there's like a three day period where

475
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: there was no jury of I think it was like

476
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: the eleventh or the fourteenth of a certain time frame,

477
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, what do w I should?

478
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: So I'm captivated by her daily life. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa,

479
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: where's the days that these other days there's like, you know,

480
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 2: you feel what I'm saying.

481
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, But she would she would say that

482
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 3: a lot of living was very normal. You know, life

483
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 3: was normal. You might have had the Nazis and they

484
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: were awful and the situation was horrible, but life was normal.

485
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: You just had to carry on in a normal way

486
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: and you went about your business. You went to work

487
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 3: by bicycle, or you went on the metro, or you

488
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: went on the bus, and life carried on and the

489
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: country was occupied and went from time to time you just,

490
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 3: I suppose burst out crying and think, how is it

491
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: ever going to finish?

492
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: You know, there's so much of like how history seems

493
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: to repeat itself in this world, and how you're saying

494
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: we have to still live life and keep moving forward

495
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: and not just let it drag us down. Even though

496
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: the situation may seem dire, we still have to keep

497
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: internally upbeat about it. And you know, yeh boy, you know,

498
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: because we don't need history to keep repeating itself.

499
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 3: No, and it does, sadly with what's going on in

500
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: Europe at the moment with Ukraine, it's really history repeating itself.

501
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 3: It's horrendous.

502
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: And here in the US with our with our politicians

503
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: just not seeing any agreement like you know we got,

504
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: they're just completely split. It's like, you know, stop it

505
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 2: sound Yeah, And England's definitely, like, hey, we back everything

506
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 2: going on with Ukraine. We're here for support for you,

507
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: and I also support them as well. So I don't

508
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: want it to come to your shores. I don't want

509
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: it to come to our shores because it's just going

510
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: to be that's just a crate. It's late. London's already

511
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: had enough.

512
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went.

513
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: I went down to Southampton with a friend of mine

514
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 2: and my wife a few years back, and we were

515
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: looking at the Isle of Wight and you see kind

516
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 2: of like the coastline of France. Yes, And then they

517
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: were telling me the story about how back in the

518
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: World War two time frame, the LUFWAFFA, the Air Force

519
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: would fly over to do bombing raids and just indiscriminately

520
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 2: bomb right, just drop bombs on lights or whatever they

521
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: think they want cities. And when the when they would

522
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: fly back over Southampton, they would try to drop bombs

523
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: on those lights, but they were ships. There were fake

524
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: lights out in the water. They made a fake city.

525
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: So I think, how many bombs are just all over

526
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: that place? You know, like just from all these previous conflicts.

527
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 3: You know, it's horrendous, horrendous what people do to people. Yeah, and.

528
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 2: What a beautiful country.

529
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: Though.

530
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: I love England. I tell you what, you know. I

531
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: got to travel over there with my wife and go

532
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: down the tray and see my friends and go eat

533
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: it the Mad Hatter, Holy cow, it was so good.

534
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: A lot more.

535
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: Please do. Like London, I kind of like the States.

536
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: I love you. I love New York. It's so lime.

537
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: I know you're a new jah, but I love I

538
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: love it.

539
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, you know. And and staying up oh yeah,

540
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: you know, staying in East London and walking around at

541
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 2: three am trying to find fish and chips. You know.

542
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I put.

543
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: Vinegar on my fish and chips. And somebody would like,

544
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 2: you put vinegar on your fish and chips. I'm like,

545
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: that's what they do.

546
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: That's what they do. It's pretty horride I do, but.

547
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: I yes, And they're big pieces to east Side, and

548
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: I like west Side. I walked all over Hyde Park when,

549
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: all over the place. But you know, I just think

550
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: about all of the conflict that's happened through the ages

551
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: in England.

552
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's interesting you're saying that because I refer

553
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: to it in my book. But my mother, before the

554
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 3: war was sent to England to learn English, and she

555
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: spent a year in England and she at the time

556
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 3: she came through Southampton and then by train came up

557
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: to Victoria And one of the things she said that

558
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: when she came back to England in nineteen forty five,

559
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: she was devastated by what she saw in central London

560
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: around Victoria Station because she'd left and it was a

561
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: normal built up area. She came back in nineteen forty

562
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: five and everything was destroyed and that must have had

563
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: a huge impact on her. And I mean obviously on everybody,

564
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: but somebody who'd been away from it and then comes

565
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: and sees it absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like.

566
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: Right now, let's talk about current events. I have friends

567
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: that had meet business meetings in Kiev like three and

568
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: a half years ago. For some reason, I just didn't

569
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: make the meeting, right I wasn't like on the invite

570
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: to fly out and have this nice Kiev you know,

571
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: swore a for four days that everybody else went to

572
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: a little jealous. But now today my friends like rabbits,

573
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: you can, Ukraine's getting hit. You know, things that we

574
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: saw that we went and traveled and saw are devastated.

575
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: Right now, Yes, yes.

576
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not able to fathom that because here

577
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: I am sitting at my home with my fireplace on,

578
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: and I'm not having any super missile blow up something

579
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: randomly next door.

580
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know.

581
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: And and for your your your sweet mom who's hardcore, okay,

582
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: for being of social life and being undercover and such

583
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: a young age, you know, for her to go back

584
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: and see it devastated, I'm sure there's a lot of

585
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: PTSD post traumatic stress that ill.

586
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I think everybody with everybody went

587
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: through an awful lot.

588
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: Such a violent situation, Yeah, such a war. I mean

589
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: it was such a war, like of a war, right,

590
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: there was more trench fighting and just like brutality and.

591
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's unreal what people do to people.

592
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, over what? Over what?

593
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: Well that the Germans the Nazis wanting to take Europe

594
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: and the Russians wanting to be part of it.

595
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that worked out real well, didn't it for Germany? Huh?

596
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: That really worked out well. They moved right into Russia

597
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: and surrounded themselves.

598
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Once they went into Russia, the Russians weren't going

599
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: to have it, and they stopped it. It was very

600
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: nasty when you think that fifty five million people died

601
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: during the Second World War.

602
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awful. It's awful, you know, and your mom

603
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: had friends that were that were Jewish, you know, that

604
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: were being hidden. There's families hiding them and gestopo everywhere.

605
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: The Jewish situation was horrendous. You know, there's nothing and

606
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 3: it must never be forgotten. And I think that, you know,

607
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: the younger people people don't really take on board what

608
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: it was about. I mean, obviously I knew Jewish people

609
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: who'd lost I have Jewish friends who lost their parents

610
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: and their grandparents, and now it's all kind of disappearing.

611
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: That generation is completely gone and you don't really hear

612
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: about it first and and we mustn't ever ever forget

613
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: just trrendous and what happened in France to the Jewish people,

614
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: what happened in Germany, what happened everywhere in Europe?

615
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, around like they all just got tagged, you're it

616
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, it's like wait, like

617
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: the one there's a photo that really resonates about what happened,

618
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: and there's so many photos, but it's a box of

619
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: like wedding rings, right, and it's just like they would

620
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: take them off of them before they would have before

621
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: they would execute them. They would take their wedding rings

622
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: off of them, all the Jewish and put them in

623
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: a box. And the piles of shoes like those right

624
00:32:53,000 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: there are so saddening in the distance. But what the

625
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: hell why even I mean, I'm so sorry to say

626
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: that like that. It's like, you know, it's like unneeded.

627
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, surrendous.

628
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: Because somebody was just like you know, I don't know,

629
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: like freaking out in his room saying I got to

630
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: do this with my country and my army, and I'm

631
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: freaking out. I gotta go wipe another people off the earth.

632
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: It's like, bro, calm down, man glove across his face.

633
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Hitler. I'm saying, like that guy was

634
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: nuts to go. He was nuts. He was on all

635
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: sorts of amphetamines.

636
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was I don't think it was nuts.

637
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: I think it was evil. It was evil. And the

638
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: group of them, the group of them you know who

639
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: were with him, they were evil as well. They were nuts.

640
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: They were evil. They knew what they were doing.

641
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: They were like power drunk. They were drunk on all

642
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: of this power and no one wanted to tell him

643
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: he was wrong because they were eating off the same

644
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: plate exactly.

645
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right.

646
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they knew it was wrong, did they? It

647
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: was wrong?

648
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: Oh, of course it was wrong. But how did they

649
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: see it? That's they knew they what they were doing

650
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 3: was what they wanted to do.

651
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think that like a Jewish

652
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: seven year old has any threat, No, of course not.

653
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, absolutely horrendous.

654
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: Or some guy with a gun and a leather jacket.

655
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: What's the threat from that seven year old or that

656
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: twenty two year old or yeah, really you know who's

657
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 2: the one walking around with the guns?

658
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, it's it's the most horrendous part of history.

659
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: Well, and that's why your mom was so like, I'm

660
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: this is not okay.

661
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: Well it wasn't it okay for anyone?

662
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean like not everyone was. Well, I mean,

663
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: I guess the French resistance is, you know, try to

664
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: like blend in and then disrupt from within, you know,

665
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: so that no one kind of picks up on it,

666
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: And that's the resistance right there, right, it's like just

667
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: resist the situation. But you know, I'm sure that there

668
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 2: was some scary looking leather wearing whip hold and dude

669
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: that walked in front of your mom and he was like,

670
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: where are your papers? That's something I mean.

671
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: One of the things in her daries she refers to

672
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: a very close friend of hers who was only twenty

673
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: two and he just disappeared from one day to the next.

674
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: You know, he decided he ought to get into the

675
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: free zone. France was divided into the occupied zone and

676
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: the freezer and the free zone. You tended to be

677
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: able to do a bit more what you wanted to do.

678
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: You didn't have the naxies quite on top of you.

679
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 3: And he escaped to the free zone, but he still

680
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: completely disappeared. This was a twenty three year old, one

681
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: of her closest friends, and that was just one person

682
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: of the people she knew. And I think that would

683
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: have left an awful legacy with with her and with

684
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: anybody who lived through it, those people who knew Jewish

685
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 3: people who had friends who just disappeared. And she would

686
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 3: talk about that, and I didn't know very much about

687
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: it because she didn't really talk about it. And I

688
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: remember one day, I must have been in my late twenties,

689
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: asking her about the Jewish situation, and she just looked

690
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: at me and just went into a kind of trance

691
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: because it was something she just didn't want to be

692
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: reminded of or talk about because it was just so horrendous.

693
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And I did read that in the

694
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: book where her friend who went to the Freedom.

695
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and from the friends of my friends of my

696
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 3: grandparents as well. I mean, my grandmother was a very

697
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: sociable person. She loved people. But you know, when I

698
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: knew how she didn't have that many friends, and I

699
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: think it was partly because a lot of them who

700
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: were Jewish, and a lot of them just disappeared. Yeah.

701
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's just like it's awful. You know,

702
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: like you know your best friend or someone that is

703
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: a really close friend and he's like, I'm going to

704
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: try to make escape, and you don't ever hear from

705
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: him again. You would think that they would try to

706
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: reach out to a homie, like a good friend, you know,

707
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: like you know, hey, Franzelle, I made it. I'll reach

708
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: out to you some other way later, you know, just

709
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: just to be gone, you know. And so here here

710
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: you are as a legacy of your mother, you know,

711
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: powerful female with a pen and you know, able to

712
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: write your book and put it out there for us

713
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: to have to read. Really just in the archives of

714
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: the world's books. Now.

715
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: Well, I hope, I hope the readers enjoy the book.

716
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had I've had a lot of feedback

717
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 3: on it, and it's it's very interesting how people look

718
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 3: at it. The historical bit in it was very difficult

719
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: to write about. Some of it was very difficult to

720
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: understand the landings in French North Africa, for example. The research,

721
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: I mean, just just what my family was doing was

722
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 3: was difficult to comprehend and how they lived compared to

723
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: the way we live with freedom. We are free, and

724
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: I don't think we value our freedom enough. No, you

725
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: lose it, but you really understand what you have.

726
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: It's true. Over here in the US people are like, oh,

727
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: you know, they're coming after our freedoms and this, that

728
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: and the other thing. There's a lot of like, oh,

729
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: we got to protect I'm like, look, if this is

730
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: me being like oppressed as freedom, I guess I'm okay

731
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 2: with it, all right. If this is if I'm oppressed

732
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: somehow or in some stimulation and I don't know it,

733
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: you know, okay, cool? I love my family, I have

734
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: a fireplace. I'm fortunate and I'm blessed. You know, podcast,

735
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: I can say what I want. I mean, stay with you, right,

736
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 2: And that's all I think anybody really wants, whether they're

737
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: they didn't.

738
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 3: Realize how we are to be in a democracy.

739
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: Correct, right where your voice and my voice are equal.

740
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that had you can say what you want to say.

741
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: That's right. There's places where they're still oppressing women, even

742
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: over here in the US, trying to like get involved with,

743
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 2: you know, their rights. I tell people all the time, man,

744
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: I can't make a human inside of me. I come

745
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: from a woman. Hello, birthday should be the birth from

746
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: the mom's day, but somehow I get spoiled with the

747
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: presence for being born. Yeah, I'm like, I hope you

748
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying here.

749
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting what It's interesting what you're saying

750
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: because it made me think about this young Jewish man,

751
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: a very close friend who she lost. And I think

752
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 3: it's written in the book. She says that every every

753
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: year on his birthday, he used to give flowers to

754
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: his mother to thank her for giving him.

755
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: That's right, you know, I read that and I I

756
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: resonate with that, okay, because I'm of the same thought

757
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: process that mom. Where do I start, you know, how

758
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: do I tell you I love you? You know?

759
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: That's very nice?

760
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: Yes, you know? And so and I hope that others

761
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: that listen to this will at least take some of

762
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: this back and go and if your mom is still around,

763
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: go give her a call, you know, and say I

764
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: love you.

765
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: It's a lovely thing to say. It's a very lovely thing. Yes,

766
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: they appreciate just enough.

767
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 2: There's just three words we want to hear in public

768
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: from our kids, and that's I love you. Ahead and

769
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: be embarrassed, go ahead and blush about it. Go ahead

770
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: and say it. Say it to me in public. Maybe

771
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: I'll buy you what you want. My son loves me,

772
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: go ahead and give him the new car he loves

773
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: and he loves me. That's that's as a father, that's

774
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: what I'm after, right, And.

775
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 3: I got daughters, and I.

776
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: Want my daughters to see this interview and be like, hey,

777
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: we can be her. We can write a book, you know.

778
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: We can watch our dad go to audition for Broadway

779
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 2: and maybe get rejected, but at least he's trying.

780
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you.

781
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: Know, we have to be the role models for our kids.

782
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: Looking at you being so brave and so awesome for

783
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: your son, right who we got to meet, who helped

784
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: you get on this put together? Right, they're very.

785
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: Long suffering children.

786
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: I think, wait till he gets your diary and writes

787
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: your book. The year was nineteen sixty nine and it

788
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 2: was the summer of love. Mom. I had to stop

789
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: reading your diary. What's going on? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Oh

790
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: my goodness, oh my. Now, now I have to ask you,

791
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: with it being such a vivid book and you know,

792
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: come into life off the pages when you're reading it,

793
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: has anybody approached you about like turning this into some

794
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: type of like a theatrical or a you know, or

795
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: a movie or a TV.

796
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there is, which my publishers in America, Kensington Books,

797
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: have kindly organized. And yes, of course I'd love it

798
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: to become a film because if it turned into a film,

799
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 3: I'd make serious money for adventure research. So that would

800
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: be very very good. Yes, And it has the makings

801
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: of a film. It's an amazing story. It is an

802
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 3: interesting story. It's a different story. It's a different story

803
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: to typical resistance fighters story because she was working at

804
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: police headquarters, and that's a difference. I think that was

805
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: a big difference to most resistance fighters. And also the

806
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: fact that they were trying to get youngsters out of

807
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 3: France to join the army, which I don't think a

808
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: lot of the resistance groups were doing. That was not

809
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 3: part of their agenda. They got one thousand young men

810
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: out of France through the Pyrenees who went through Spain

811
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: and made their way to French. Tangerian joined up the army.

812
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: And this is when my uncle was recruited out of

813
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: the French Army into the OSS because the OSS wanted

814
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 3: youngsters who would work for them as intelligence gatherers in France.

815
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: So that is when he was recruited by the OSS.

816
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: And then he was dropped blind into occupying France with

817
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: these dollar notes with him and the gold coins to

818
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: carry on his wartime effort.

819
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 2: Just him, just his story alone of all right, you're

820
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: the chosen guy, you're the uncle. We could meet your

821
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: mom in the movie, but his own getting the gold

822
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 2: to her is its own.

823
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's well, it was. There were

824
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: several of them in the group. I mean it was

825
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: a group of there were fifteen of them who were

826
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: recognized by the Goal at the end of the war

827
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: as having been in the resistance, and he integrated them

828
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: at the end of the war into the French army.

829
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 3: And the reason he integrated them into the French army

830
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 3: so that they could be given back pay for having

831
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: been in the armed forces. I mean, it's the most

832
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: extraordinary thing. I gave a talk in London and there

833
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: was a general in the audience who was just in

834
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: fits of laughter. How do you give people back pay

835
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 3: and pull them into the army But it's after they joined.

836
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: It's a lovely story, but yeah, it is. I mean,

837
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 3: I reread the book today again because I knew I

838
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 3: was talking to and it does cover very many aspects.

839
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 3: It covers the relationship of my uncle and my mother

840
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: with the overseas Strategic Services, which is very interesting to

841
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: the Americans because the Americans didn't have many agents in

842
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: France because France was supposedly intelligence wise the territory of

843
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: the British intelligence services, so that was an unusual situation.

844
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 3: And my uncle, who was called al Angriatry, was the

845
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 3: first foreign journalists working for the figure Row to be

846
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: interviewed or who was a to interview President Reagan when

847
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: he became president. And I can't remember the name of

848
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 3: the chap who was in charge of the chap who

849
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: was in charge of the CIA at the time. It

850
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 3: was a chap called William Casey, and he organized the meeting.

851
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: So it was all wow things.

852
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and there's so much and I would love

853
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: to see this come to the screen, you know, the

854
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: big sh yes. And if you're listening and you happen

855
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: to have the means to get this done, you should

856
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: check out this book and and give it a read. Yes, yes,

857
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: and then and reach out and get Yes.

858
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 3: It does make it's a good story because there are

859
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: so many aspects to it.

860
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: It could be a series. It could be like a series.

861
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: You know, you could have like you know, you could

862
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: binge sixteen episodes.

863
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it could work that way as well.

864
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I just want to see I just

865
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: want to see your mom, like you know, kind of

866
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: being your mom in the passport and like I can

867
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 2: see it already, like someone who like all if there's

868
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: if there's a a film company in Hollywood that wants

869
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 2: to recreate all of the gear of the police officers

870
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: and had that on them and all of the set

871
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: dressing and like that whole period. Man, what a show

872
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: to be a part of that would be. And you

873
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 2: have to be in it. You have to have a camera,

874
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: you have to even like a regular like oh yes,

875
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: uh huh, yes, you need to send this letter over

876
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: to the Gestapo.

877
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the military people in the military in this

878
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: country who've read the book, like, is that the chapter

879
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: about when my mother was arrested by the vermart and

880
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 3: subsequently interrogated by the Gestapo. And they loved that because

881
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 3: they loved the soft while the way she handled the

882
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 3: people interviewing her or people questioning her, and she just

883
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: didn't put up with any nonsense. She wasn't going to

884
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: be intimidated by them. She was a strong personality, she

885
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 3: was young, and she just treated them with content and

886
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: she got away with it. And she basically told the

887
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: Gestapo chat who had been sent to interview her, but

888
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: he didn't know how I was to do his stop

889
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 3: that he wasn't doing his job properly. And the reason

890
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: and she's as an explanation, she said, if you were

891
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 3: doing your job properly, you would phone my senior offices

892
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 3: at police headquarters and you would find out what I

893
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: did at police headquarters and how I'm not involved in

894
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 3: any form of resistance. And that's a very good chapter.

895
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: You know, you yourself have kind of followed along with metals

896
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: in like your mother, right, talk about how your mother

897
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: had medals on and they're like checking out her medals. Okay, okay,

898
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: I put my hands in air quotes if you're listening

899
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: to this. Her mom would wear her medals, and I

900
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: think someone would get jealous about the medals because they

901
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: were like in the area of her bosom buzza Maria,

902
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: her cleavage and she knew what she was wearing a

903
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: low cut dress and she'd have her medals.

904
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: They went to a ball, and I don't know how

905
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: it works in the United States, but in the UK,

906
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 3: if you go to official evenings, you're allowed to wear

907
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 3: your medals. And obviously at the time, not many women

908
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: had medals of that nature. And she was at an RAF.

909
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 3: She was at an RAF ball with my father and

910
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: somebody in the RAF. An RAF officer saw this medal,

911
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 3: which is the quadiger and was a bit surprised that

912
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 3: she had it, and I think he was half looking

913
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 3: at the medal, half looking.

914
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: At her yes, exactly right.

915
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 3: Good story. But that's how I first learned about the

916
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: whole whole episode of what she'd done.

917
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: And then you received an honor as well. Would you

918
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: want to explain what that is from? Was it from?

919
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was very nice. I was given what's called

920
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: a British Empire Medal. I don't know how you compare

921
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: it in America, but it was given to me by

922
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: the Queen and it was given to me for services

923
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: to charity. So I've done a lot of fundraising in

924
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: my life. I did a lot for cop death babies

925
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: who died within the first three or four months of birth.

926
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: I did a lot of fundraising for that. And then

927
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: I've done a lot of police work. I've done a

928
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: lot of political work, and more recently this raising money

929
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: for dementia research and support. And so I don't know

930
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: how works in the United States, but in the UK,

931
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: somebody puts you forward, they write reports on you, and

932
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: it goes to the Prime minister. Prime Minister at the

933
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: time agreed to give me the award, and therefore he

934
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 3: puts it forward to the Queen, who then signs it

935
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 3: off and gives you the medal. The last queen, sorry,

936
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: Queen Elizabeth.

937
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and I was at her jubilee, so it

938
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: was a very yes yeah, good time, right, yes, yes,

939
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: love that and we love Duran also. Okay, so I'll

940
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: let you know. Okay, very very much. Western boys and

941
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 2: wess Western girls, the Eastern boys. No, very much.

942
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: But it's very interesting. It's very interesting you you asking

943
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: me about about the medal, because I don't know if

944
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: it's because we're kind of more reserved in England. But

945
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: people don't really often ask me about it. They know

946
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 3: about it, but they don't really ask why I got it.

947
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 3: And yet when I was in the United States on

948
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: business last when was it in April? I was at

949
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: San Francisco, one of our clients had looked me up

950
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: and said, what was all that about? How did you

951
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: get it? But nobody would normally do that. In England.

952
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 3: It's unusual. They don't ask about it. I don't know why.

953
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: Well, maybe you should just wear it, you know, so

954
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 2: you're not.

955
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 3: Meant to you're only a laugh. There a strict conditions.

956
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: The queen has these conditions. Yeah, you're only meant to

957
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 3: wear medals. It must be the same in the United States.

958
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 3: You can only wear medals at certain functions, so they

959
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: have to be official functions, so I wouldn't wear it

960
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 3: in the street.

961
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: In the US. So when I went over to England

962
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: a few times, and I would see all my sas

963
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: friends and all these other blokes, if you will, in

964
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: their suits all proper, and they'd have like a big

965
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: rack of their ribbons. But they've been retired. Over here,

966
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: we don't really have that. They don't the former military.

967
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: They don't really wear anything to social events like that.

968
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 2: For example, I just did a social event for a

969
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: huge military charity and everybody was just kind of like

970
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: in Texas, but nobody had like except for the guy

971
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: that won the Medal of Honor. He was wearing that

972
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: on stage to kind of signify he had earned that,

973
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: right yeah or yeah, And I was awarded. But when

974
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 2: I went over there, I thought it was so cool

975
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 2: that if you wore them on one side, it means

976
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: you earned them, right, yeah, exactly, but you could represent

977
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: like your husband on the other side. Yes, with the medals.

978
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 3: It's quite interesting you saying that, because I got all

979
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: my parents' medals, which I think I can wear on

980
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 3: that side, and then mine, which is very very insignificant,

981
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 3: but sad.

982
00:51:58,719 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 2: I love that.

983
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: I love it's very insignificant, you know.

984
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: And and also like, you know, right here, I have

985
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: this as a remembering. I have the poppy right here,

986
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: you see, like the little Oh yes, this is a

987
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: Royal Irish regiment. Give it to me.

988
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 3: It's very special wearing that very special.

989
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is a gift by a friend of

990
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: mine over in uh you know, and I just keep it,

991
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: buy me, give it a kiss there.

992
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: It's the one. It's a wonderful charity. It raises money

993
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 3: for the military.

994
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: I wish we still did that over here. You know,

995
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: back in the day, we used to have the poppy.

996
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: You know, there would be veterans Remembers Day. Yeah, in

997
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: the US they would have. I looked it up. I

998
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: was like, how come England has the poppy everywhere every

999
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: time I go over there. I've been over there a

1000
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: few times and it's always around Remembrance Day and I've

1001
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: done special events and everybody's got so many poppies and

1002
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 2: they're at the airport. You can give them, you put

1003
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: a couple of bucks in the.

1004
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very clever raising money.

1005
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I'm like, how come we stopped wearing it?

1006
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 2: In the US, and I'm like, bring the poppy back. Yes,

1007
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: it just kind of it fizzled out, is what I

1008
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 2: learned from reading about it one time. So yeah, yeah,

1009
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: but I still wear it. I still have a beret

1010
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: that I wear that I haven't it, you know. And

1011
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: I just want to say, you know, I've had you

1012
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 2: for just about an hour of your time, and I

1013
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: know we're across the pond and across the world to

1014
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: talking to each other. And this is the first time

1015
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: you and I have ever met. And I want to

1016
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: show people that you can have a totally normal conversation

1017
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: with another human being on this earth after just meeting them.

1018
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's been lovely chatting to you, really interesting.

1019
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: As you say, it's strange that you're so far away.

1020
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: Yes, but yeah, here we are. Like when I get

1021
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: on an airplane and I fly over there, I just

1022
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: close the window on the plane and then I open

1023
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: it up and I guess I'm there. Is it a simulation?

1024
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1025
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm very lucky to be able to

1026
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 3: travel so freely. Because coming back to my mother, she'd

1027
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 3: been in England, as I said, for a year before

1028
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 3: the war. That then come the walls. She wasn't able

1029
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: to travel. So for five years you couldn't go across

1030
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: the channel. I mean, now you just go to Paris,

1031
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: you know, at the drop of her hat at that

1032
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 3: time that at the time you couldn't because it was

1033
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 3: very expensive anyway. But during the war you couldn't travel,

1034
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 3: You couldn't go anywhere. So yeah, yeah, we don't value

1035
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 3: our freedom enough.

1036
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 2: No, No, I think I do, but I don't think

1037
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 2: I do enough. So I'm just born into the situation.

1038
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: You know, as an American, Right, there's people who come

1039
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: to this country that know more about this country than

1040
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: I know about my own country.

1041
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 3: That's true.

1042
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: That's true, and I'm honest about it. Okay, the test

1043
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: that somebody has to naturalize themselves to become a naturalized

1044
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: citizen here, the test, I would be scared.

1045
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they know more about it. The people who

1046
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 3: naturalize know more about the country than we do.

1047
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: And I'm like, why are we Like it's just like helloy,

1048
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 2: And they're so proud too. It's like, oh, the thirteenth

1049
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 2: Law of the Land is and I'm like, what what

1050
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: is it? What is it? What's the thirteenth We just

1051
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 2: know the first of the second, what's the third, fourth, fifth, thirteenth? What?

1052
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeh?

1053
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. We need to appreciate what we have.

1054
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 3: Don't we You know we do? We need to.

1055
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 2: We're very lucky and friendships, so I want to appreciate this. Okay,

1056
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: So you and I will be friends. And I just

1057
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: want to say thank you so much for being on

1058
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 2: the show today. And I want to talk about one

1059
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: more time The Paris Girl, the young woman who outwitted

1060
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: the Nazis and became a World War two hero, which

1061
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: is out at all bookstores, Barnes and Noble, It's on

1062
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: the Amazon. It's probably at your local airport, and if not,

1063
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 2: just go there. Oh, you want to know a trick

1064
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 2: her before I sign off? You want to know a

1065
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: trick I heard a really popular author do. He will

1066
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: take his book and take it to the airport and

1067
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: it has a UPC number on the back of it.

1068
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: You'll have one, and if there's not one there, he'll

1069
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: hand it to the lady or whoever's at the checkout

1070
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: and they'll scan it and it'll say like last one,

1071
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: and it'll make them reorder it.

1072
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 3: Oh good, Oh, that's wonderful.

1073
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: You see that.

1074
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: You see how thank you very much for helping me

1075
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 3: promote the book. I really appreciate it hugely. It's my

1076
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 3: first book to be published in the United States, so

1077
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 3: it's very exciting.

1078
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations and congratulations to being a mom as well,

1079
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: and to your family Okay, and your lovely pearl necklace,

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Speaker 2: and you're lovely. Okay. I just want to lady, so

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Speaker 2: you know that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to have to sign off, but I'm

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Speaker 2: about to sign off. I want to say thank you

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Speaker 2: to my listener for taking the time to hear mine

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Speaker 2: and Friendsell's discussion about her mother in the French Resistance

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Speaker 2: and how powerful women are in this world. And you're

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Speaker 2: always welcome on the show. And if you ever get

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Speaker 2: this into theaters or in a movie or a TV show,

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Speaker 2: and if you ever need a long bearded Viking frenchman,

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Speaker 2: you just let me know and I'll show up in

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Speaker 2: that Okay, And you're awesome.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much. Thank you for the opportunity

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Speaker 3: of chatting to you and meeting you in particular. I

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Speaker 3: really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: Same and behalf of France. El White and myself here

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Speaker 2: at Soft Rep Radio and my producer Callum who's over

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Speaker 2: in London? Okay, why am I not in London right now? Anyways,

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Speaker 2: if you're watching this during the holidays, happy holidays. And

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Speaker 2: if not, go check out her book everywhere books are sold.

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Speaker 2: And this is rad On behalf of France El saying peace.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to self Red Radio