Speaker 1: Hey, Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 2: Family just wanted to give you a heads up that
Speaker 2: the audio quality of this episode at times may not
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Speaker 2: with us. We thought this sit down with joy Read
Speaker 2: was an important listen considering the current climate.
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Speaker 4: Robert watching Bargin.
Speaker 5: Okay, I've been watching this.
Speaker 6: Hey, I'm doing this or all damn? Why you always
Speaker 6: got to ruin show Man?
Speaker 5: No, I mean it's it's cool, like I like it.
Speaker 5: It's I liked it better than that other show that.
Speaker 3: You jump You jumped the gun a little too soon.
Speaker 6: I all right, I get it. I know Jordan's Hill
Speaker 6: Productions made us work for it.
Speaker 7: And one day no, no, no, I hope one day
Speaker 7: that he does something and it just the point is there, Like, yes,
Speaker 7: I have to commit to watching Lovecraft Country two to
Speaker 7: three times every episode to catch Easter eggs.
Speaker 6: I didn't get.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's too many. It's too many other shows that
Speaker 5: I can watch once. Intead are great and I'm just like,
Speaker 5: I mean, because my wife, my wife, she loves Lovecraft
Speaker 5: like she watches it. No, it's important and I will
Speaker 5: watch it sometimes with her, and I'll be like, but
Speaker 5: like I but like I been like, I'll be in
Speaker 5: another room and it's just like I hear just trap
Speaker 5: music and then I look at the screen and it's
Speaker 5: a fucking word wolf for some ship.
Speaker 3: What the fuck is this? There's a lot of ship
Speaker 3: joint Hello, Hello, how you doing? Welcome to myself Supreme.
Speaker 3: This is literally how we just start episodes. We just
Speaker 3: jumping with Can we ask.
Speaker 4: Her real quick?
Speaker 6: Don't love trap music?
Speaker 3: Wolve?
Speaker 1: Hello? Everybody?
Speaker 6: Let's go on love Craft? Yeah or day? Are you
Speaker 6: in it or not in it?
Speaker 1: I'm watching it, but it traumatizes me.
Speaker 8: Right, I can only watch so much of like the
Speaker 8: abuse of black people in history entertainment before I start
Speaker 8: to really just start to lose.
Speaker 1: My mind a little bit.
Speaker 3: So I watched The Payoff The Payoffice, episode seven.
Speaker 1: It works in the end.
Speaker 8: I stayed with it because first of all, the Nina
Speaker 8: Simone tracks are fire, the music is fire, and it
Speaker 8: pays off in the end.
Speaker 1: But it's a.
Speaker 3: Lot, it's a lot lot. The important the important thing
Speaker 3: about it, once I did the research was that I
Speaker 3: didn't know the history. Okay, so I knew the history
Speaker 3: of how modern comedy started in America, which starts with
Speaker 3: minstrel entertainment making fun of slaves and whatnot.
Speaker 6: You know, the black face, we know that I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that the slave was also or the
Speaker 3: freed slave was actually the impetus for the modern horror flick,
Speaker 3: like basically the rising down the album cover Fonte, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was the whole day, was HB.
Speaker 6: Love Right? HB. Lovecraft?
Speaker 3: Uh started writing fiction about how freed slaves were going
Speaker 3: to destroy UH plantations and get revenge once they were freed,
Speaker 3: and thus that's the.
Speaker 6: Birth of the horror genre.
Speaker 3: Like it was based on black people being the Boogeyman
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. So which makes you.
Speaker 2: Show the ultimate buck you because them casting all these
Speaker 2: black people and making this a black story and remix
Speaker 2: it is like love Craft, No, white.
Speaker 3: People the real they're the real horror people.
Speaker 6: So it's it's it's it's the real. That's that's how
Speaker 6: we get into it. Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: If you're just joining us right now, Uh, I insisted,
Speaker 3: you know, there were there was a way that would Yeah,
Speaker 3: there used to be a traditional way that we opened
Speaker 3: the show. But then you know now that we're in COVID.
Speaker 3: I call this the COVID Open, not the Cold Open.
Speaker 3: So we just decided to not have an official intro
Speaker 3: and just like faded in, let you eavesdrop on what
Speaker 3: we're talking about.
Speaker 6: So we're talking about love Craft.
Speaker 3: But of course it would be remiss if I didn't
Speaker 3: say that our guest today. You know, personally I look
Speaker 3: for there's there's very few people that I look for
Speaker 3: to be the voice of reason and the voice of calm,
Speaker 3: especially how we are now, the way that we can
Speaker 3: tumee our news or some people are traumatized, where I'm
Speaker 3: kind of traumatized by it now, so I don't watch
Speaker 3: it twenty four to seven.
Speaker 6: There's only a few names.
Speaker 3: That I trust to deliver the facts that I need
Speaker 3: to know what's going on, and today's guest is a
Speaker 3: prime example of that. I've been watching am Joy and
Speaker 3: of course the readout. She's my thirty rock mate. Do
Speaker 3: you refer to that building as thirty rock? Are the
Speaker 3: only one that calls it thirty Rocks? I call it
Speaker 3: thirty rock YEP, Okay, fine, yeah, it's it's it's my
Speaker 3: trusted source for information. Of course, when this airs today,
Speaker 3: this will be the day after the election, so we
Speaker 3: have no clue what's going on. We got burnt the
Speaker 3: last on This happened because you know these sort of
Speaker 3: oh my god, we sorted we it was a celebration
Speaker 3: party and then mid episode was like to read yeah,
Speaker 3: so we don't know what the results are as of
Speaker 3: this recording. So you know this this was done a
Speaker 3: week before. But ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to Quest
Speaker 3: Love supremeum Joy Reid. You know, and I also want
Speaker 3: to let you know that this is probably more of
Speaker 3: a lighthearted interview about your life, not like I know you're.
Speaker 6: Tired of or are we going to be okay?
Speaker 3: I know everyone's asking you, can you tell us something
Speaker 3: that you know and.
Speaker 6: We don't know? So how are you today?
Speaker 1: I'm good, Quest, It's so good to be here with you.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a big fan. Can I tell my
Speaker 1: quest Love story real quick?
Speaker 6: Least know you have one?
Speaker 4: Everybody has one.
Speaker 8: So the first time I met you, Quest, I actually
Speaker 8: just got in an elevator with you at thirty Rock
Speaker 8: and I was like, I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: Myself, Oh my god, okay, Quest of honest, how am
Speaker 1: I gonna act cool? I gotta act like normal, like
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything crazy, so I must have been.
Speaker 8: My face must have been like, like, I look like
Speaker 8: a crazy person, probably because you just turned me and
Speaker 8: you said hello.
Speaker 1: I was like, so you're you're.
Speaker 8: One thing I love is when you meet somebody that is,
Speaker 8: you know, famous, they are just as cool as they seem.
Speaker 1: So I would give you that.
Speaker 8: My students met you once you came out of your
Speaker 8: you know, studio, and everything sahi to them.
Speaker 1: So you cool?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, yeah. I Actually, you know what's weird
Speaker 3: is Uh. I would often trail you, either in the
Speaker 3: cafeteria or like I didn't. I didn't want to be
Speaker 3: that person like Joy or whatever, because oftentimes when I
Speaker 3: see uh, like Brian Williams, we're kind of BFFs.
Speaker 6: But when someone yells's name Brian, he never looks.
Speaker 3: So usually when when news pundits and and and reporters
Speaker 3: are in the hallways of thirty Rock, they never respond
Speaker 3: to their name because they think that it's like a
Speaker 3: fan or even something more dangerous closer to Rupert Pumpkin
Speaker 3: from the King of Comedy following them. So basically, I
Speaker 3: didn't want to be the guy like Joy it's you know,
Speaker 3: and then you just walk on by itself. Yes, I've
Speaker 3: seen you way before that, but that's the first time
Speaker 3: that you saw me and seeing you and then you know,
Speaker 3: I decide to, you know, to to break the ice.
Speaker 1: There has anyone ever seen me over there? You know?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: No, I noticed this.
Speaker 3: This new COVID opening doesn't include introducing the team. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: forgive me, forgive me, you know what. I well, you're
Speaker 3: supposed to jump in the conversation.
Speaker 6: Look, okay, I think.
Speaker 3: By now three years that we know that laya with
Speaker 3: her Oh nice, I look at her like you. It's
Speaker 3: kind of well, I thought it was braids because oh yeah,
Speaker 3: it's and we have a unpaid bill.
Speaker 6: Hey, you speak.
Speaker 5: Radio, so I gotta go with voices already high.
Speaker 3: Yes, how you doing? And uh fan tickeolo in North
Speaker 3: Carolina right now? But up you were telling me you
Speaker 3: voted through a driving or drive through.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, we went, me and my wife who
Speaker 5: went early voting the first day, which was the fifteenth,
Speaker 5: and when we pull up to our poll in place,
Speaker 5: there was a long line of cars and we thought
Speaker 5: that was the voting line, but that was really the
Speaker 5: line for just like the drive through, so like if
Speaker 5: you had health problems or like you were super elderly
Speaker 5: and couldn't stand in line, they were just you could
Speaker 5: drive through and they give you the ballots and do
Speaker 5: chick you in and all that.
Speaker 3: So that line was kind of long.
Speaker 5: So then we drove around and we saw the real
Speaker 5: like the line for just like regular and it.
Speaker 3: Probably it don't took us for maybe like an hour.
Speaker 5: It's probably like twenty people in line, which is the
Speaker 5: most people I've been around since March. And we was
Speaker 5: just you know, we went and massed up and it
Speaker 5: was distanced and we did it and you know, it
Speaker 5: was cool.
Speaker 3: It was on about the hours to change.
Speaker 6: Good Sugar Sea the night.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just want to say out of joy, that
Speaker 9: was my whole reason for interrupting.
Speaker 1: This is a first.
Speaker 6: Joy.
Speaker 3: I know we have you for limited time, and there's
Speaker 3: so many questions I want to ask you, but just
Speaker 3: for this particular election cycle on what you're going through now,
Speaker 3: Like what is your average day, Like.
Speaker 8: You know, the average day is long. I mean I
Speaker 8: was doing a weekend show for four years and it's
Speaker 8: a different kind of schedule. You know, we don't even
Speaker 8: start planning the show until Thursday because since Trump came along, he.
Speaker 1: Disrupts so much that we used to have a Wednesday plan.
Speaker 8: He would mess that up, so we started planning on
Speaker 8: Thursdays for Saturday.
Speaker 1: But now it's a grind, you know. I used to
Speaker 1: do a day a day side daily show.
Speaker 8: And I had forgotten, you know, I'm a little older
Speaker 8: and doing it now.
Speaker 1: So it's a lot.
Speaker 8: We do four meeting for show meetings a day by phone,
Speaker 8: sometimes by zoom, and then in between it's like taking
Speaker 8: a college course. You're trying to read everything. It's a
Speaker 8: blizzard of information and he just won't stop, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I covered the Obama administration.
Speaker 8: When I was at the cRIO and as an MSNBC analyst,
Speaker 8: and Obama lets you rest every so often.
Speaker 1: He would speak during my day side show. He's like, Obama,
Speaker 1: come on, man, you know, because he didn't do the
Speaker 1: big ethics speaker. Every time you come out and do
Speaker 1: a speak and go away and live his life and
Speaker 1: be president. This guy won't let you stop looking at him.
Speaker 6: SHO.
Speaker 1: I love my team. We make it fun and we
Speaker 1: try to bring a little levity to it.
Speaker 8: We bring as much as we can for us to
Speaker 8: a traumatize public and we have fun together. But I
Speaker 8: have to admit it's a different level of exhaustion.
Speaker 3: So is it to the place where, like, do you
Speaker 3: personally feel comfortable? I know that, you know, for people
Speaker 3: that don't know how television shows work, I mean there
Speaker 3: are assistants, there are researchers, there are people that can
Speaker 3: sort of just give you the quick version of it.
Speaker 3: Do you yourself feel comfortable with just looking away for
Speaker 3: like two seconds or do you feel that you have
Speaker 3: to like immerse yourself in absolute everything to get all
Speaker 3: the information, go on social media, deep dive and all
Speaker 3: these things, and do your own research so that you
Speaker 3: can be packed with Because the way that you interview
Speaker 3: talking heads or pun intoor whatever, it's like, how I
Speaker 3: don't see how you can have like rebuttals immediately ready
Speaker 3: and these facts ready.
Speaker 6: Like are there people feeding you in your ear?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 6: How does that work?
Speaker 1: So what we basically do is, you know, we start
Speaker 1: off first meeting of the day.
Speaker 8: We figure out, Okay, this is what we want to
Speaker 8: talk about, and then I go through and pegment and
Speaker 8: say this is the way I want to frame it,
Speaker 8: and then the producers go off and they you know,
Speaker 8: they write up the intro, so the intros are great producer, so.
Speaker 1: They you know, we then I go back.
Speaker 8: And I edited, and we make sure that you know,
Speaker 8: it's in by voice, and then I feel over with it.
Speaker 8: And so it's a real team effort to together, right,
Speaker 8: I mean, our show is people, right, It's not just
Speaker 8: I just don't get out there just you know, information,
Speaker 8: Like we have people that are backing me up.
Speaker 1: You know, we we plan for every continue because I
Speaker 1: like to just questions. I don't like to have question
Speaker 1: I like to just you know, glow with questions. But
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that no matter where I
Speaker 1: want to go, we have.
Speaker 8: The backup to make sure it's factual, to make sure
Speaker 8: that you know, we've got a story.
Speaker 1: That backs it up or some data that backs it up.
Speaker 1: So we kind of.
Speaker 8: Think all the places that these questions could go, and
Speaker 8: we've got like an element ready to go. So if
Speaker 8: I say something about a rally, but like okay, we
Speaker 8: have a sound bite of that that's ready.
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of the preparation is making sure
Speaker 1: that no matter where we end up going in these
Speaker 1: conversations with something to back it up.
Speaker 8: Because we don't want to just give I just don't
Speaker 8: I don't want to just get my opinion. I want
Speaker 8: to make sure it's factual. So as far as how
Speaker 8: much I immerse myself. I have described Donald Trump as
Speaker 8: like having a toddler. Right, if you have a toddler,
Speaker 8: sometimes you want to you know, have a little out call,
Speaker 8: you know, little cocktail break, but you still have to
Speaker 8: put the baby monitor on.
Speaker 1: You still got to watch them. You can't just go
Speaker 1: to sleep, take a nap and let the toddler, you know,
Speaker 1: home about the house. Right, we are like the baby box.
Speaker 8: I feel like you do have to watch him all
Speaker 8: the time because, you know, some of the stuff he
Speaker 8: says it's just dumb, but some of the stuff is dangerous.
Speaker 8: You know, he will just make a pronouncement and change
Speaker 8: you as policy and then we have to deal with it,
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 1: And sometimes he's just riffing, but you just never know.
Speaker 3: Oh So, in terms of fact checking, like who's on
Speaker 3: standby it? Like is it just assumed that any statement
Speaker 3: he says is going to need a fact check? Like
Speaker 3: how's how's that database work? Like is there just a
Speaker 3: machine that you instantly have? Whatever his stats are, what
Speaker 3: he says, or.
Speaker 8: Yeah, every producer, they're all remote, like this is the
Speaker 8: COVID time is weird because it normally they'd all be
Speaker 8: in the studio and they'd all be at a A
Speaker 8: at a you know, at a MAC and they can
Speaker 8: look up information all the ready. But now they're in
Speaker 8: fourteen different cities, but they're still listening in on this
Speaker 8: McCurdy machine where they can all hear it all. And
Speaker 8: so anything that comes up we call for those facts
Speaker 8: like then and there, because the producers of each of
Speaker 8: the segments are always listening to the show and they're
Speaker 8: prepared to like if I need something, they just bring
Speaker 8: it up right away and they can get that printed
Speaker 8: out and hand it to me. So we're always ready
Speaker 8: to fact check this man, and we don't. We don't
Speaker 8: play a lot of him. We don't honestly, we don't
Speaker 8: play a lot of him. We try to minimize it
Speaker 8: because I think people know what he says. There's no
Speaker 8: point in playing it back because a lot of it
Speaker 8: is just live.
Speaker 2: So kind just ask you. You mentioned about like what's
Speaker 2: your daylight at work, but like what's your day like?
Speaker 2: Because when do you wake up your like somebody's whole
Speaker 2: mother and wife. How does that work intertrying with the
Speaker 2: dailiness of this.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and now because you know we're we're we're not
Speaker 8: living in New York anymore.
Speaker 1: I unfortunately gave up New York because you know.
Speaker 8: More affordable house. You know, we're in the DMV area. Yeah,
Speaker 8: we're in the suburbs of DC. So all the kids
Speaker 8: are living with us now because one loss to you know,
Speaker 8: he was working as a usher on Broadway.
Speaker 1: That's that's done.
Speaker 8: We have one that's an artist that she's living there.
Speaker 8: And then we have the youngest one is a college
Speaker 8: junior going junior. So they're all in the house.
Speaker 1: So that's one of the reasons. You know, a little
Speaker 1: apartment in Harlem that was going to be a war
Speaker 1: so we're like, we have moved. We got space.
Speaker 8: So really the day is you know, and my husband
Speaker 8: runs our production company, so we we did have a
Speaker 8: lot going on in the house all the time. And
Speaker 8: so I wake up in the morning, my husband and
Speaker 8: I do a walk, you know, we try to get
Speaker 8: that health walk in and that's at like seven seven,
Speaker 8: seven thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1: And then from the Monday through Friday, no.
Speaker 8: Matter what, unless it's just unless it's really raining.
Speaker 1: We did. We try to do it. I mean when
Speaker 1: I'm here, I do it.
Speaker 8: In Central Park, I try. We try to do it
Speaker 8: every day. And then after that it's just call after
Speaker 8: call after call.
Speaker 1: I'm on the phone all day and that is.
Speaker 5: Tiring because it's yeah, that sounds exhausting, exhausting.
Speaker 8: And I'm either replying to texts, replying to emails, or
Speaker 8: on the phone the whole.
Speaker 1: So we're all in the house, but we don't really
Speaker 1: see each other that much. We're all in our rooms.
Speaker 3: And any moment, if something were to pop off, you
Speaker 3: would have to in a moment's notice.
Speaker 6: Just how often does that happen to you in a week?
Speaker 8: I mean it happened not that often. I mean Ruth
Speaker 8: Bader Ginsburg was one. But so I the NBC has
Speaker 8: built a whole studio in my basement.
Speaker 1: So the studio is.
Speaker 8: Just a matter of running down into the basement and
Speaker 8: turning the whole machine on, the lights.
Speaker 1: On, and just going. So that's good. It is bad
Speaker 1: because now they know they have that there.
Speaker 3: So when I'm watching a m Joy that's a green screen,
Speaker 3: I don't want.
Speaker 8: To for the no, for the readout, it's Basically, I'm
Speaker 8: sitting in a chair. In front of me are the cameras,
Speaker 8: just like the cameras in the studio. Behind me is
Speaker 8: a big screen TV and they can load the background.
Speaker 1: Into the TV and it looks like a little studio.
Speaker 3: It looks just like, Yeah, I thought you came back
Speaker 3: to thirty one.
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, okay, she's back.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well tonight I was in there. I saw this
Speaker 8: for this week and next week. I'm actually in working
Speaker 8: out of thirty rock. I'm, you know, here in my hotel.
Speaker 8: But normally the show, the five day a week show.
Speaker 8: For the readout, we're in the basement.
Speaker 1: So he's helped. It's helpful. He's in production. And then
Speaker 1: my daughter she has to be the person that hands
Speaker 1: me the scripts and like, so it's like a family operation.
Speaker 3: It's a family business. Yeah, are they union members or
Speaker 3: not playing?
Speaker 1: But listen, I'm like, maybe they should get a check.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was going to say, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: Want to go too far, boss man.
Speaker 2: But I was curious because you said the whole production
Speaker 2: thing that I was doing research, and I was like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute. Jordan read went to Harvard and guy
Speaker 2: a degree in film for documentaries and so there's then
Speaker 2: there's a whole other aspect of life that we don't
Speaker 2: even know.
Speaker 4: It's it's a.
Speaker 8: Lot because we produce some we do a podcast like
Speaker 8: this one you know that we do also one Get
Speaker 8: Through You.
Speaker 1: So so we're doing our.
Speaker 8: Podcast, which is what to Read or we like do books,
Speaker 8: you know, because this is sort of my my kind
Speaker 8: of downtime is to just interview.
Speaker 1: People who written books. But I got to get you
Speaker 1: on quest and I know how to get you for
Speaker 1: your books.
Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, But we.
Speaker 1: Just talked to authors for that podcast.
Speaker 8: And so we have other stuff we're trying to do too,
Speaker 8: So it's trying to balance the work work with the
Speaker 8: other stuff that we're doing. I have this other podcast
Speaker 8: I'm doing for NBC Kamala Hair. So I feel like
Speaker 8: my day is every hour is accounting for until I
Speaker 8: finally go to sleep.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 3: So can I ask it? Do you feel like this
Speaker 3: is your well? Not is this worth it? But do
Speaker 3: you feel like this time is your your your Bernstein
Speaker 3: Woodward movement like the water Well, I guess it's so
Speaker 3: hard to find something tangible to yeah, get him on,
Speaker 3: but do you is it an exciting feeling? Or is it,
Speaker 3: like you, this isn't exactly what you signed up for,
Speaker 3: because you know, for a journalist, this is like a key.
Speaker 3: This year will be spoken of the same way that
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty nine was spoken of, Like I have no
Speaker 3: doubt that twenty twenty will probably be, if not the
Speaker 3: the second most famous year in the United States when they,
Speaker 3: you know, do retrospectives of what's happened. So like, for you,
Speaker 3: is this the moment why you got into this in
Speaker 3: the first place, or is this something else?
Speaker 1: It isn't it is?
Speaker 8: I mean, look, Donald Trump is Andrew Johnson plus Woodrow
Speaker 8: Wilson's failure on the nineteen seventeen pandemic, you know, plus
Speaker 8: Andrew Jackson's dmons and you know, murderous thoughts toward Native
Speaker 8: people and people who weren't white, you know, Andrew Johnson's
Speaker 8: just criminality as a president, plus Nixon, Like this is
Speaker 8: this dam is It's a multiplier of all the other
Speaker 8: bad presidents because he's combined, you know, in competence, cruelty, criminality.
Speaker 1: And corruption all together.
Speaker 8: And each of those presidents had one aspect of what
Speaker 8: Trump is. And then you throw on top of that
Speaker 8: the fact that Donald Trump doesn't believe in the presidency
Speaker 8: as it's always been constructed. He thinks he's the king.
Speaker 8: He thinks king of the United States. We've never had
Speaker 8: anything like that.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's like Woodward and Bernstein, except Nixon
Speaker 1: is like Gargantua. You know, he's not even a normal Nixon.
Speaker 1: He made Trump make Nixon, you know, look like Charlie Brown.
Speaker 8: So it's not even you can't even catch him because
Speaker 8: he's doing a different horrible thing every day.
Speaker 1: So this is Nixon on steroids.
Speaker 8: So for journalists, you know, I did write a book
Speaker 8: about him, and he's already done one.
Speaker 1: Hundred and three.
Speaker 8: Thousand bad things since then, since right, and it's like
Speaker 8: so you can't keep up with it.
Speaker 1: It's a lot.
Speaker 8: I think it's gonna take a good few years after
Speaker 8: he's gone for us to really compile all of this
Speaker 8: and really understand it. And I do think it is
Speaker 8: something that people are going to study because this is
Speaker 8: the closest we ever came to not being a democracy again.
Speaker 8: And I honestly believe that if Trump is re elected,
Speaker 8: what I do for a living will be a lot
Speaker 8: like what journalists in Bellar russ are doing or journalists
Speaker 8: in Russia are doing, or journalists in Turkey are doing,
Speaker 8: because we are then going to be.
Speaker 1: Dealing with an autocrat.
Speaker 8: And I don't mean to make that sound as hyperbole,
Speaker 8: because I don't mean it as hyperbably.
Speaker 1: That's how curious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're watching it like a lot's going to ride
Speaker 3: on what happened yesterday, which we don't know the results.
Speaker 6: I'll just remind people.
Speaker 2: That and we probably won't write like what do you
Speaker 2: that's an interesting question too, like when do you think
Speaker 2: this thing will be decided?
Speaker 4: Regardless, Like I think it's a two week Well.
Speaker 8: Here's my chance to say something great about my former
Speaker 8: state of Florida. I mean, listen, Florida has embarrassed US
Speaker 8: as a country for a really long time, and they've
Speaker 8: had a rough time with elections. But this might be
Speaker 8: the year Florida actually saves America in times.
Speaker 2: Bo purple blue, purple blue.
Speaker 8: However, Florida's a tough state to lose because listen, the
Speaker 8: reality is like angry mean grandparents all moved to Florida
Speaker 8: and the cool grandparents all moved to Vegas, right, So
Speaker 8: that's how you know. That's why you know, no matter
Speaker 8: you fun granny is in Vegas like I'm gambling, you know,
Speaker 8: the mean granny is that's Florida. So the problem is
Speaker 8: Florida is very unreliable and the voters there are very
Speaker 8: unreliable and they don't turn out to vote unless literally.
Speaker 1: Obama is on the ballot.
Speaker 8: Obama with Biden on the ticket did win it twice,
Speaker 8: so Biden has a shot.
Speaker 1: But if Florida Florida.
Speaker 8: The good thing about Florida is that Florida actually has
Speaker 8: been doing early voting, early absentee voting for a long
Speaker 8: time because Florida has so many senior citizens, the mailing
Speaker 8: mailing ballots are a regular thing for them, so they
Speaker 8: will actually have a result on election. It's not going
Speaker 8: to be like two thousand. We will actually probably know
Speaker 8: Florida early and so whether it goes to Trump or
Speaker 8: whether it goes to Biden at least won't know. And
Speaker 8: actually that that's good for the country because we just
Speaker 8: want to know the state that's going to be be
Speaker 8: what Florida used to be. This year's Pennsylvania. If Pennsylvania
Speaker 8: is close, that's your lawsuit to go to.
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, Ackerson was going on in Pennsylvania right now.
Speaker 2: Even though Philadelphia. I can't even you can't even look
Speaker 2: at Philadelphia for the example at all, because Pennsylvania is
Speaker 2: red and Philadelphia is blue.
Speaker 4: But they're going right now, right.
Speaker 3: Well, but you know, as of this speaking, uh you know,
Speaker 3: my both my my sisters giving me updates, like you know,
Speaker 3: there's stuff happening right outside of a window right now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's looking very reddish, you know, right well, Red
Speaker 3: is coming there on the floor like ducking.
Speaker 2: But Red is coming to town though, for this kind
Speaker 2: of activity, like Red lives for this activity.
Speaker 4: Red been coming to town ever since they try to
Speaker 4: take down these statues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's true. And you know, Pennsylvania is like
Speaker 1: a lot of states.
Speaker 8: It is you know, Philadelphia surrounded by Alabama, right, And
Speaker 8: Ohio is like that, right, it's Cleveland surrounded by Alabama.
Speaker 1: And most states are like that.
Speaker 3: I mean Georgia that.
Speaker 8: Exactly, and Florida is Miami and Broward, you know, browd
Speaker 8: and Dates surrounded by Alabama.
Speaker 1: I mean. The reality is is that.
Speaker 8: You know, we have racially polarized voting in America, and
Speaker 8: the majority of white Americans are Republicans, and people tend
Speaker 8: to vote their party. It's like a tribe, and so
Speaker 8: there are going to be some people who break.
Speaker 1: Away who are Republicans.
Speaker 8: Most Republicans will come home to the Republican Party even
Speaker 8: if it's Trump. And so the Republicans are about twenty
Speaker 8: two to twenty three percent.
Speaker 1: Of the total population. They're actually small group, but they.
Speaker 8: Both like greatly because they're also older and so because
Speaker 8: they are average older people. And the most elderly state
Speaker 8: in the country are Florida and Pennsylvania. So there are
Speaker 8: a lot of older white voters in the state of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 8: and they're falled in a vote pretty much much all
Speaker 8: but women. And this time even white women voters are
Speaker 8: starting to trend away if they have a college degree
Speaker 8: from Trump. So if he loses white women even by
Speaker 8: one percentage one. I've always said to you know, our
Speaker 8: white friends, we don't need all of y'all.
Speaker 1: You just need fifty percent or more of white women
Speaker 1: to turn away.
Speaker 8: From Republicans and white the women because three percent voted
Speaker 8: for him before, Yes, and Democrats just need to get
Speaker 8: that down to fifty to fifty and believe it or.
Speaker 6: Not, that's enough.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, A wise person once told me that Democrats
Speaker 3: fall in love Republicans following fall in line, you know, so.
Speaker 8: But one more piece of good news. We don't know
Speaker 8: what's going to happen again. Anything can happen. But I
Speaker 8: think the Republicans actually made a mistake this time with
Speaker 8: that Amy Cony Barrett nomination. I think, well, in their mind,
Speaker 8: they thought this is going to rev up their base.
Speaker 1: But it's like when you have a tea kettle on.
Speaker 8: Once the water boils, it lets off that sound, and
Speaker 8: then that means the pressure is released. Republicans are always
Speaker 8: better off when their based is anticipating maybe getting.
Speaker 1: A Supreme Court nomination.
Speaker 8: Now that they have a six to three court, there's
Speaker 8: a lot less motivation and a lot less energy and
Speaker 8: a lot less rage behind the Christian conservative vote.
Speaker 1: They've taken that off the table. So now they do
Speaker 1: have doubts about.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this now, because what a out this
Speaker 2: other argument that like, now that she's here, because we
Speaker 2: haven't talked about OKAYI Biden wins.
Speaker 4: That doesn't necessarily mean the king the witch is dead.
Speaker 2: If he turns around and decides I'm gonna figure out
Speaker 2: a way to stay here. And this whole you know
Speaker 2: theory about well, I'm going to go through the Supreme
Speaker 2: Court and I'm going to write this, So is it really.
Speaker 8: I don't help him in the vote, because you know
Speaker 8: most I mean, I worked on a couple of elections,
Speaker 8: and I worked on one where we failed in two
Speaker 8: thousand and four with America coming together, we're trying to
Speaker 8: help carry from outside with your sources money, and I
Speaker 8: worked on both in the press shop.
Speaker 1: And when you talk to voters, anger.
Speaker 10: And retribution are much more powerful motivators than raditude.
Speaker 1: People don't vote for someone because they're great.
Speaker 8: They vote because they're pissed off and or because they
Speaker 8: want someone. So once you give voters a six report,
Speaker 8: they didn't feel comfortable and say.
Speaker 1: It's not urgent to vote. So if I had doubts
Speaker 1: about Trump, I now have the thing I really wanted.
Speaker 1: I don't need, like his personality, I don't need to
Speaker 1: you know, thank you.
Speaker 8: By voting for him, I can let go, I can
Speaker 8: back off, and I can now.
Speaker 1: Accept the things I don't like. I don't want him
Speaker 1: anymore because I got what I wanted.
Speaker 8: But if you're the women who voted like crazy twenty,
Speaker 8: including again a majority of white college educated women, or
Speaker 8: in rain by the election, and they really wait to
Speaker 8: get revenge. And black women always are out here trying
Speaker 8: to pay back. So twenty eighteen was the tsunami because
Speaker 8: women of all races were enraged and they kept that
Speaker 8: energy for two solid years and voted just everyone they
Speaker 8: can get out and gave the House back the Democrats.
Speaker 1: So that anchor is still there. And so if for
Speaker 1: Trump to win, the only way he wins this now.
Speaker 8: Is that he somehow suppresses enough votes in the key.
Speaker 1: If they somehow are able to stop enough people voting
Speaker 1: electoral college, that's his only shot.
Speaker 4: You can do it in Georgia, Jamie, thanks to the governor.
Speaker 1: That's one state, But Georgie is I don't know.
Speaker 8: I almost feel more confident about Georgia a little bit
Speaker 8: than Florida because Florida's so difficult. But Georgia black voters
Speaker 8: are voting like crazy.
Speaker 3: I personally, I personally feel as though Biden will win. However,
Speaker 3: what I'm also certain about is the amount of pettiness
Speaker 3: and the amount of uncertainty that's going to occur from
Speaker 3: his last November. Yeah, from November fourth to January twentieth,
Speaker 3: and you know, kick around. I mean, he could again,
Speaker 3: that's that's my Everyone is like, oh, I'm afraid of
Speaker 3: the eflection for sauce, No, I think changing presidents might
Speaker 3: be I don't think that's harder than us surviving uh
Speaker 3: the next sixty days, you know, with him at the
Speaker 3: with him drunk at the will.
Speaker 6: But like, that's what I'm concerned about.
Speaker 9: What is a what is a transfer of power that's
Speaker 9: not the right way? What does that look like? Like
Speaker 9: all that? The only reference I have is like in
Speaker 9: season six of West Wing, you know, Jimmy Smith walks
Speaker 9: out of the thing, and you know, and whomever walks
Speaker 9: in the thing, and that's the only reference I have, Like,
Speaker 9: and they seem to be friends, and then he leaves
Speaker 9: a note, right, and then the note says, don't for
Speaker 9: you know, don't do the wrong thing and where the
Speaker 9: secret codes.
Speaker 6: Are or whatever he says.
Speaker 9: You know, I'm just I'm interested when they say, like,
Speaker 9: you know, Trump won't let the transfer power be be peaceful?
Speaker 6: What does that mean?
Speaker 9: Are we gonna have see like armies in the streets?
Speaker 6: Like how.
Speaker 8: I this is the thing I worry about more than
Speaker 8: the pride. I think what state that Biden won? I
Speaker 8: mean that Hillary Clinton one is by not. I don't
Speaker 8: see how Biden uses.
Speaker 1: And he's got a good shot at capturing the three
Speaker 1: surprise breaks Trump.
Speaker 8: So you know, I'm even at that point where I
Speaker 8: don't know that I you know, I do whipple anounsis
Speaker 8: for a living, and I like smart for me to
Speaker 8: trust my own god, which I'm looking at this data
Speaker 8: and I'm saying, everything I need in the data is
Speaker 8: this bib.
Speaker 1: But it's hard for data to account her voter suppression
Speaker 1: and for just outright.
Speaker 8: That which the Pennsylvania legislature is contemplated the same we
Speaker 8: don't care what the about.
Speaker 1: We even need the elector.
Speaker 8: And then of course that goes before that's the case
Speaker 8: in eighty twenty Varses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and given to Trump. So I don't trust the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I don't trust her car trust on claring.
Speaker 1: But let's just say none of.
Speaker 2: That parents swear, and oh my goodness, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 2: just you know, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, who else what's where?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: I mean she is to women with Clarence is to us.
Speaker 1: So I mean.
Speaker 4: Bubble and that's why we love joy.
Speaker 1: The same thing.
Speaker 8: But what I think happens if is that you know,
Speaker 8: Barack Obama as much as he buyes and was horrified
Speaker 8: by Trump, he.
Speaker 1: Left him with no too, like in the West Way,
Speaker 1: right is gonna.
Speaker 6: Leave a no no.
Speaker 1: I know what it looks like for what he'll do,
Speaker 1: but I suspect you probably feel like he has to
Speaker 1: show up the inaugural. Maybe he just doesn't show up
Speaker 1: at all. But I'm I don't worry about him.
Speaker 10: Because even if he acts food and just needs whatever
Speaker 10: and then goes enpires a lawyer.
Speaker 8: And figures out his legal issues in New York, because
Speaker 8: he will have legal issues in New York. I worry
Speaker 8: about his fan because he doesn't have But I like
Speaker 8: Brock Obama a lot. I respect it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't die right, willing dying.
Speaker 3: It's a cult, I said, it's a cult. Yeah, straight up.
Speaker 8: It's a Jim Jones situation. And so are people willing
Speaker 8: to hurt other people.
Speaker 1: I worry about that.
Speaker 2: Worry about you, Nicole Willace and Rachel Maddals heads exploding
Speaker 2: on like at any given moment. That's that's what I
Speaker 2: worry about. With all this knowledge and information, I don't
Speaker 2: understand how that doesn't happen and how y'all still want
Speaker 2: to keep doing this.
Speaker 3: Coverage so Joy, I would actually I would like to
Speaker 3: know you as a person because I watch you so
Speaker 3: much and I don't know anything about your your life beforehand,
Speaker 3: Like where were you born.
Speaker 1: I was born in East Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York.
Speaker 8: The best, the only borough that counts. Uh. My parents
Speaker 8: or immigrants stuff, they somehow met in Iowa for some reason.
Speaker 8: My mother was from Guyana and my father was from
Speaker 8: the Congo.
Speaker 1: And they somehow.
Speaker 6: That's where you go.
Speaker 8: I really think my mother had been in England and
Speaker 8: she had been teaching and then wanted to come here
Speaker 8: and go to graduate school.
Speaker 1: And my father was also looking to to graduate school.
Speaker 8: And I really think because for him, you know, the
Speaker 8: Congo had just gotten its liberation and the new government
Speaker 8: there was paying.
Speaker 1: They were paying for everyone's college education. And I think
Speaker 1: they just said, when we spend out money wisely, we
Speaker 1: went to spending place to be inexpensive.
Speaker 8: And I think they ended up being like, Iowa, that's
Speaker 8: just cheap, let's go there, you know. And I think
Speaker 8: my mother. I have no idea, because my parents are
Speaker 8: both deceased. I can't even ask them now, but that's
Speaker 8: where they met. And my sister was born in Iowa.
Speaker 8: And then I was born in Brooklyn, and then they
Speaker 8: somehow decided to move to Denver, Colorado, and that's where
Speaker 8: my brother was born, and then they broke up. So
Speaker 8: I was raised in Denver, Colorado from age two to
Speaker 8: age seventeen and was just like you know, nerdy kid
Speaker 8: that loved the news and sports.
Speaker 1: All I really liked was football and the news.
Speaker 3: News as a teenager who loves the news as a teenager.
Speaker 1: You know, so one day I will never get this.
Speaker 8: I was in like sixth grade, aging myself, and I
Speaker 8: came upstairs and I'm watching this show at night that
Speaker 8: was the Iran hostage crisis countdown, and for some reason,
Speaker 8: I was just fascinated by the fact that people had
Speaker 8: taken hostages and were holding them, would't let him go,
Speaker 8: and I just saw I was like, Mom, can I
Speaker 8: watch this? And she was like, Okay, you can stay
Speaker 8: up and watch it, and I ended up watching Nightline.
Speaker 8: With Nightline, I ended up watching that all the way
Speaker 8: through LL til I graduated high school. I would wach
Speaker 8: this Today show. I was just fascinated by information. I mean,
Speaker 8: I was a nerd, you know, So I just liked
Speaker 8: information and news and so I love that and in.
Speaker 1: Football that's pretty much all I will watch. Well, i'd
Speaker 1: starting and so I you know.
Speaker 2: Who was your favorite childhood annger? I'm just curious back then?
Speaker 2: Who's your favorite childhood anger back then?
Speaker 1: Now you said that.
Speaker 8: Today's show and yeah, I mean you know, later on
Speaker 8: obviously was Gwen Iifel when I got older and it
Speaker 8: was finally a black person. But growing up we were
Speaker 8: all about Dan rather like and now I follow him
Speaker 8: on Twitter and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd rather be going in right then.
Speaker 1: He did back then too.
Speaker 8: He had to be subtle with it, but I always
Speaker 8: loved him. I thought he was always really funny.
Speaker 3: So when when did you make that in high school?
Speaker 3: When did you did you decide then that you wanted
Speaker 3: to make a real pursuit in the journalism. Why you
Speaker 3: mentioned that you were considering making documentaries first, and like,
Speaker 3: where's your life in your twelve year of high school?
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, honestly, when I was probably about twelve,
Speaker 8: I also told my mother I wanted to be a doctor,
Speaker 8: and my sister told her.
Speaker 1: She want to be lawyer. And West Indian parents don't
Speaker 1: play that.
Speaker 8: You want to be and you want to do other
Speaker 8: stuff besides being a doctor or a lawyer. So I
Speaker 8: was supposed to be a doctor, like that's what I
Speaker 8: committed to. And I got into Harvard for pre med
Speaker 8: and so my mother was so proud, and so that's
Speaker 8: what I'm officially going to be. I was like, I
Speaker 8: was going to write books on the side, but really
Speaker 8: be a doctor, and I had committed to that. Unfortunately,
Speaker 8: my mom passed away when I was seventeen. I was
Speaker 8: just about to graduate or had just graduated high school,
Speaker 8: and so I had to kind of make some different
Speaker 8: decisions about what I was going to do because I
Speaker 8: just really at that point did not want to be
Speaker 8: a doctor because I just, you know, I didn't have
Speaker 8: faith in the profession, you know, because I, you know,
Speaker 8: my mom had passed and she was like everything. So
Speaker 8: I went to Harvard, almost failed out, took a year
Speaker 8: off when live with my auntie, my auntie Dolly in
Speaker 8: East back in East Flatbush where we started, and I
Speaker 8: just had to figure something else out. So when I
Speaker 8: went back, I ended up moving out of my auntie's house.
Speaker 8: Because if you anybody who has West Indian relatives or
Speaker 8: knows any West Indian people, so living with a West
Speaker 8: Indian lady meets five nights a week of church, and
Speaker 8: I had been very aret. No, she was a Christian,
Speaker 8: but I haven't raised Methodists. So we went one day,
Speaker 8: you know, one hour. If it went past an hour,
Speaker 8: people were looking at the pass They're like, you need
Speaker 8: to stop preaching because we got to go watch this
Speaker 8: Bronco game.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't all church.
Speaker 8: This was much So I ended up moving out and
Speaker 8: I moved actually right down the street bike Lee, and
Speaker 8: so there was all this stuff happening in Brooklyn at
Speaker 8: Fort Green at the time.
Speaker 1: That was before Fort Green was gentrified, so it was
Speaker 1: just very.
Speaker 8: Black, very It was just this amazing place to live,
Speaker 8: just ast fight doing everything all the time, and music
Speaker 8: videos and everything was happening on the block. So when
Speaker 8: I went back to Harvard, I switched my major film
Speaker 8: and they only had documentaries.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, oh documentary.
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, who, like, who were the filmmakers that you
Speaker 3: idolized back there or what stories did you want to tell?
Speaker 8: Well, I mean we studied everything Oscar Me Show on,
Speaker 8: you know, and but Fike is the person I really admired.
Speaker 8: I was sort of the one person in the class
Speaker 8: that wanted to do narrative films, and they were like
Speaker 8: snobs and they only wanted documentaries, so they wouldn't let
Speaker 8: us do narrative.
Speaker 1: But I really idolized Fike back then, and.
Speaker 8: So I was like, I'm gonna beat of females I
Speaker 8: leave when I come out. And I actually wound up
Speaker 8: meeting my husband because when I came out, we formed
Speaker 8: a little production company. I met him because I took
Speaker 8: a job at the School of Visual Arts and I
Speaker 8: was actually his boss kind of in the in the
Speaker 8: production office U and so me and him and a
Speaker 8: bunch of other his friends we formed a little production
Speaker 8: company and we wound up not doing documentaries but doing
Speaker 8: a music video show, a reggae music video show, which
Speaker 8: was back then we were competing with Ralph McDaniels on
Speaker 8: on TV in New.
Speaker 1: York City, so we were doing I was the producer,
Speaker 1: So I booked everybody up. Yeah, no, we knew.
Speaker 8: I mean it was wild because we knew a lot
Speaker 8: of these guys when they were like really just starting out.
Speaker 1: We booked Shaggy, We booked all of these guys.
Speaker 8: So we were we were doing our little yeah shout out.
Speaker 3: To Shaggy, Thank you bro. No Shaggy slander on the show.
Speaker 5: He said, now I'm gonna say, Shaggy, reason why you
Speaker 5: got your deal?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: Yes exactly, Shaggy is, yes, the success gave me my budget.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I need to hear this story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, the success of it wasn't me and Casey
Speaker 3: and JoJo's All My Life. That's what paid for my
Speaker 3: entire things fall apart, uh marketing budget. So our fourth album,
Speaker 3: no no, no, no no, just saying that the promise you
Speaker 3: were on the same labels, I'm sorry. So the profits
Speaker 3: reaped from Casey and JoJo's All My Life and Shaggy's
Speaker 3: it wasn't me, Uh that they used all those profits
Speaker 3: to They gave half the common I have to do
Speaker 3: the American So that's that's what we used for our
Speaker 3: promotion that oh all the time, Like no, this is
Speaker 3: not even exaggeration, like literally, like the numbers. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: Shaggy money is good. So here here guys, you know
Speaker 3: trust me like You Got Me was a three day
Speaker 3: video show, Shaggy. If it wasn't, If it wasn't for Shaggy,
Speaker 3: You Got Me would have been like a four hour
Speaker 3: video shoot like illegal, like Hollywood shuffle like okay, guys,
Speaker 3: let's go, but with Shaggy Money. We had a three
Speaker 3: day video shoot Diamond Records.
Speaker 8: Diamond Records my daughter when she was a little baby,
Speaker 8: and we would we had to take the kid had
Speaker 8: be portable and I had her. I pictured her propped
Speaker 8: up in the corner like, don't cry while we were
Speaker 8: interviewing Shaggy. So yeah, he was like one of the
Speaker 8: main We loved interviewing him. He was like a good guy.
Speaker 8: So yeah, we were literally doing like we were so
Speaker 8: left field with it. But we did video dub play
Speaker 8: for a while, and then I got pregnant again and
Speaker 8: then we had to actually have a normal jobs, and
Speaker 8: so we wound up moving to Florida. And it really
Speaker 8: wasn't until I got to Miami that I was like,
Speaker 8: let me, I had to switch careers because I, you know,
Speaker 8: I couldn't do what I was doing. I had like
Speaker 8: a day job in consulting or something and was doing
Speaker 8: the music video show with so we were doing on
Speaker 8: the side. And when I got to Florida, I had
Speaker 8: to get a real job, and I wound up getting
Speaker 8: a job writing for the local morning show the Fox affiliate,
Speaker 8: and then switched to the NBC affiliate, and so.
Speaker 1: I got into news really because I had to start over.
Speaker 8: My Spanish wasn't good enough to stay in consulting, and
Speaker 8: I just wanted to do something I love to do
Speaker 8: and be fine.
Speaker 1: So I ended up New.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the common theme that I'm hearing here is
Speaker 3: that you've had to meet these sort of abrupt left
Speaker 3: and right turned to a whole nother uh, sort of
Speaker 3: uncharted territory. What is that like for you?
Speaker 6: Are you?
Speaker 3: Is there trepidation?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 3: Okay, we worked really hard to make this video show
Speaker 3: work and now I love Brooklyn and I can't live
Speaker 3: Like how hard is the adjustment to doing something totally new,
Speaker 3: even with doing readout?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: How hard is that adjusted?
Speaker 8: It's not like I grew up with a very adventurous mother,
Speaker 8: you know. My mother literally got on a steamship and
Speaker 8: left Guyana by herself, you know, and went to London
Speaker 8: and lived there and moved here and moved to Iowa.
Speaker 8: Like you were just an adventurous family. We used to
Speaker 8: get in our station wagon to go and drive all
Speaker 8: over the country.
Speaker 1: You drove the Utah, We drove to San Francisco.
Speaker 8: We would just get in the car, Like we drove
Speaker 8: to Mexico to Wahaka and stayed there for a summer
Speaker 8: when she was working on this book project.
Speaker 1: So she was just that bohemian lady.
Speaker 8: So I just grew up a risk cacker and in
Speaker 8: just being comfortable switching plans. We always had to change
Speaker 8: our plans, you know, It's just the way it was.
Speaker 8: She was a single mom, used her life and her
Speaker 8: plans a lot, and so I just was kind of
Speaker 8: raised by somebody like that. So I actually am cool
Speaker 8: with it. I love changing. I like I like the change.
Speaker 8: I like I like new environments.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's I admire that because you know, that's
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of switching back and forth,
Speaker 3: you know, with your life. So do you feel as
Speaker 3: though you are living out your purpose? Like this is
Speaker 3: what I You didn't know that, this was the the
Speaker 3: destiny that you asked for.
Speaker 1: No doubt that, no doubt.
Speaker 8: I feel like all of the crazy adventures that I've
Speaker 8: had and the you know, the just all of the
Speaker 8: wild kind of changes in my life and prepared me
Speaker 8: for this. I feel like because I was raised in
Speaker 8: the Midwest, I can kind of understand where that sort
Speaker 8: of Republic inside is coming from and analyze them in
Speaker 8: a different way. My father was a Reaganite, my mother
Speaker 8: was a Carter Liberal, and so.
Speaker 1: They had this whole conversation that was all, what's going on?
Speaker 8: And I think that I think absorbing you know, this
Speaker 8: interesting information, young, and I think also struggle. You know,
Speaker 8: I've you know, I've been real, real, real broke. I've
Speaker 8: been you know, not sure what I was going to do,
Speaker 8: you know, day to day.
Speaker 1: And I think that helped in this business.
Speaker 8: And I think not coming from a journalism background actually
Speaker 8: helps me in this moment because a lot of ways,
Speaker 8: I am, in so many ways.
Speaker 1: The victim of Trump. What trump Ism is trying to victimize, right.
Speaker 8: Immigrant people, women, women who are you know, stuff for ourselves,
Speaker 8: all the things that trump Ism is fighting, I'm living
Speaker 8: those things. So I think the journalists in the traditional
Speaker 8: sense are hemmed in by the way they're trained to
Speaker 8: be objective. I'm an opinion drop I started off columns.
Speaker 1: I'm an opinion droope. I can be open.
Speaker 6: Thank god.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned what you said earlier, because there's
Speaker 3: been a lot of people, especially on social media, that
Speaker 3: have been shocked at the alarming percentage of how many
Speaker 3: conservative black folks we have. And hey, I was trying
Speaker 3: to explain that. Yo, even in the eighties, like those
Speaker 3: Christian parents went with, well, who's more closer to my
Speaker 3: Christian values? And you know they were shocked. My mom
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I was a shame that. You know,
Speaker 3: we voted for Reagan twice because he was closer to
Speaker 3: a Christian Well, because the thing is is that games well,
Speaker 3: I mean most people did, like Mary Mary, what's the
Speaker 3: name for Mary Mary, admitted that we voted for Trump
Speaker 3: because that was close. See, the thing is, I feel
Speaker 3: as though, of course, I feel like the GOP is
Speaker 3: being used as the trojan horse of what you know,
Speaker 3: of what these people of, what their agenda is Like
Speaker 3: this current GOP is nothing close to what it was
Speaker 3: thirty years ago. And I think a lot of people,
Speaker 3: especially under the guise of Christianity, like usually their their
Speaker 3: their kind of their Mason Dixon line. Is the issue
Speaker 3: of abortion, Yeah, abortion, whereas now we see it as
Speaker 3: because if you think about it, I'm waiting for the
Speaker 3: day where black Twitter discovers that Commons retrospect for life
Speaker 3: is actually I waiting the day because the thing was
Speaker 3: when we was working on it. When we's working on it,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, like everyone thought like oh so dee, Like, well,
Speaker 3: God really cares. And now I asked him like two
Speaker 3: months ago, I'm like, yo, dude, I said, you realize
Speaker 3: that one day someone's going to discover retrospect for life,
Speaker 3: like twenty thirty years later, and you're going to.
Speaker 6: Be on the side.
Speaker 4: It wasn't necessarily on the right side of the fence.
Speaker 4: I'm just yo, dog.
Speaker 3: There's again there's a lot of you know, like that line,
Speaker 3: you know, three hundred and twenty five dollars.
Speaker 4: Your soul, see go to college and I want to
Speaker 4: have I.
Speaker 3: Got right, But I've seen more, But I've saw more
Speaker 3: people like yeah, yeah, Like that's when I realized that
Speaker 3: black people were mad conservative.
Speaker 8: Three Zion is kind of like that too, right, It's
Speaker 8: like a subtle kind of pro life you miss. I
Speaker 8: just feel like black black people are tend to be
Speaker 8: pretty conservative socially.
Speaker 3: And we're close to God. Yeah, that's being close to
Speaker 3: God is our hope. Like after all the stuff we've
Speaker 3: gotten through, Like if you tell me that that, like
Speaker 3: you let that go, then where else do we have?
Speaker 3: Like that sort of thing? So yeah, but the amount
Speaker 3: of people that whose minds have been blown at why,
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of my idols and heroes, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, the last thirty years in hip hop are
Speaker 3: sort of showing towards yeah.
Speaker 2: And ways that I fifty cent though he's back, right,
Speaker 2: he's back with us?
Speaker 1: Is that what? Heads?
Speaker 3: He's such a troll. I can't even he's such a troll, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: fifty knows the value of controversy and saying whatever.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I don't know where he's at. I mean, who
Speaker 1: knows who he'll vote for?
Speaker 8: But what What was surprising to me though, just because
Speaker 8: I'm a little older than I and I'm I'm i
Speaker 8: cam up in that public enemy era, and I've been
Speaker 8: surprised of how quiet hip hop has been overall on
Speaker 8: Trump period, Like I expected like war with Trump.
Speaker 1: And I mean, like Eminem both.
Speaker 8: About Trump than anybody else, you know, And I'm like,
Speaker 8: why is Eminem out here out front?
Speaker 1: Everybody else is kind of quiet? Like that surprised me.
Speaker 1: I thought, there's more.
Speaker 4: Why is that? Fellow jobs?
Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 3: you're and we can go back to seventy two, Your
Speaker 3: Bill Withers, your Curtis Mayfields, you're edwin stars. Like they
Speaker 3: weren't balling in a penthouse apartment. They weren't, you know,
Speaker 3: and they didn't have much to lose, and hip hop
Speaker 3: became the thing that it was once against. It's mass capitalism.
Speaker 3: There's stuff to lose. Like if you look now, like
Speaker 3: some of our most outspoken capitalists in the hip hop
Speaker 3: game have been very, very silent, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: clutching their pearls.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think it's interesting because I'm like.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean a lot of people are silent,
Speaker 3: and you know, and where they are, like, I know
Speaker 3: where a lot of the one percent hip hop people
Speaker 3: are hiding out as far as like what island they're
Speaker 3: on or what you know, that sort of thing. And
Speaker 3: then the other half it's I've gone, man, the amount
Speaker 3: of back of or bickering I've been dealing with in
Speaker 3: rappers d ms with me just trying to tell them.
Speaker 6: Like both, well, I don't want them. I don't want.
Speaker 3: Them to get canceled, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 3: and there's there's this there's this old mentality that they
Speaker 3: didn't get the memo on that they can't say certain
Speaker 3: things or you know, and it's not me trying to
Speaker 3: control their opinion. But I'm like, dog, I just don't
Speaker 3: want you, just I don't want you to stop your bag.
Speaker 3: And there's like ten of you know, and it's it's
Speaker 3: it's just disheartening to me.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: It's like it's it's like my whole generation might be
Speaker 3: a lie. And I can't I can't come to grips
Speaker 3: with that right now.
Speaker 8: Athletes, I have to say, I'm so proud of Lebron James.
Speaker 4: Yes he's not, but he is not in.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: I mean he's a part of the hip hop generation.
Speaker 5: I mean for me, he's not a rapper. He's not right,
Speaker 5: I get it. I mean I think, you know, just
Speaker 5: speaking for me, you know, because I can only speak
Speaker 5: for myself, you know, and Frante is way younger person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm forty one, so you know.
Speaker 5: So But for me, I mean, when when I saw
Speaker 5: Trump got elected, my thought was, and you know, I
Speaker 5: politics is not really something I've involved myself in, you know,
Speaker 5: I mean I vote, you know, of course, I voted
Speaker 5: in all the elections that I was able to, but
Speaker 5: that was eligible to but politics.
Speaker 3: Weren't really my thing per se.
Speaker 5: But for me, when Trump got elected, I was just like, man,
Speaker 5: white people got theirself into this ship.
Speaker 3: They need to get.
Speaker 5: Theirself out of, Like like I ain't got damn you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 3: That's not one to carry.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it's some white people burning people
Speaker 2: in there is some I don't give a fuck black
Speaker 2: people in there.
Speaker 4: There's something like that, right it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it is some loss. I get it.
Speaker 3: Fonte is a point because at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: I think we're more managing white people shock because no, no, no,
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it's like one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: If anything, this is.
Speaker 3: The closest that white people will ever know, like that
Speaker 3: uncertainty of I don't know what's going to happen. And
Speaker 3: it's not exaggeration, Like you know how hard it was
Speaker 3: hard for white people to believe that, oh, we really
Speaker 3: are getting our ass kicked and all that stuff. That's
Speaker 3: why I never shared that journey story because it's like
Speaker 3: who would believe me? Like, oh really, quest love, like
Speaker 3: y'all all got pulled over and da da da da
Speaker 3: da da da da whatever. But it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: this is the closest this is, This is not even
Speaker 3: this is not even fifty percent. This is I feel
Speaker 3: like for most white America, this is maybe thirty one
Speaker 3: percent of the fear and the stress that we go
Speaker 3: through on a daily basis. Oh my god, I live
Speaker 3: life every day, Like you know, I could die any moment,
Speaker 3: anytime pass a cop car, any time I get on
Speaker 3: the highway, I could die. I could die. I could die,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, I just live with
Speaker 3: Is this the.
Speaker 4: Casey, you feel dirty?
Speaker 1: There's data that backs up everything.
Speaker 4: I'm just asking.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the thing is is that you know, we've survived
Speaker 3: Reagan's crack era, like and I don't want to say
Speaker 3: this sort of like because it's not it's it's it's
Speaker 3: I don't want to be dismissive at people like I've
Speaker 3: I've had at least six people very close to me
Speaker 3: pass away from COVID, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 3: I don't want to be dismissive of like this should
Speaker 3: have been avoided at all costs. But at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, I think this is really about the
Speaker 3: sanity of white America and can they live with it? Like,
Speaker 3: can they live with uncertainty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean you think about it. You know,
Speaker 1: we can go back through it again.
Speaker 8: Right. But Abraham Lincoln who wrote in letters and did
Speaker 8: speeches saying, if you three black people sent him back
Speaker 8: to Africa because they shouldn't be allowed to live with
Speaker 8: civilized white folks.
Speaker 1: You've got Andrew Jackards, right.
Speaker 8: You've got Andrew and he was on pot slavery, and
Speaker 8: that was our friend. Black people became Republicans on site
Speaker 8: because of him. And he hated black people, just be honest.
Speaker 8: He thought black people were inferior to white people and
Speaker 8: wrote that down. You got Andrew Jackson who said kill
Speaker 8: anybody who was in white marched all the Native Americans
Speaker 8: uh into the trail attempts, don't want to be in camps,
Speaker 8: trailer tears, Kill them all doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: He was just genicidal. You've got Woodrow Wilson, Democrat, top
Speaker 1: ten according to all the historians. Let almost as.
Speaker 8: Many people die of the so called Spanish.
Speaker 1: Flu as died in the Civil War. It just Trump
Speaker 1: lied about it.
Speaker 8: Let soldiers come home home from Europe to World War
Speaker 8: One with it and give it out to all of
Speaker 8: their friends and family. Let people die just like Trump liar,
Speaker 8: vehement racist.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about Thomas Jefferson, Joey tell him.
Speaker 1: About exactly this.
Speaker 8: He gives lie to the idea that if you have
Speaker 8: black children, you can't be racist.
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson, Right.
Speaker 8: I mean I used to tell my students, you know,
Speaker 8: I used to teach the class at Syracuse Nice to
Speaker 8: say to them, why do you think that almost everybody
Speaker 8: you meet named Washington, Jefferson or Jackson is right?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 8: Right? Got you know, mister and missus Washington. They may
Speaker 8: have three kids, one dies of consumption. Now you got
Speaker 8: two little Washington kids. That's four Washington. But they got
Speaker 8: three hundred slaves and they own every one of them,
Speaker 8: three hundred slaves. And every time they produce children, that's
Speaker 8: also Washington. So you just multiply ef right, So all
Speaker 8: of the founders completely racist. You know, you go to
Speaker 8: Woodrow Wilson, genocidal racist, screens of clan movie in the
Speaker 8: White House, refuses to let blacks in the civil Service,
Speaker 8: and then he's lauded as a great president. You got
Speaker 8: FDR supposed to be our friend, tried to exclude us.
Speaker 8: You like, give it everybody but the blacks, right, that's
Speaker 8: supposed to be our friend. You got you know, Lyndon
Speaker 8: Johnson on tape Nigra Nigro. We gotta do something with
Speaker 8: the nigra.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 8: He wasn't exactly like super not racist, right, but he
Speaker 8: still did the right thing.
Speaker 1: But if you listen in his mouth, you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Look, even Nixon did busting every but he wasn't exactly
Speaker 8: a fan. So we've dealt like I think black people
Speaker 8: have a certain amount of cynicism even about our supposed
Speaker 8: friends in power, and they only like us for so much,
Speaker 8: and so.
Speaker 1: We have to get what we can get. And we
Speaker 1: don't have.
Speaker 8: As high a of a of a bar to say,
Speaker 8: you know, you've got to be perfect, whereas White America
Speaker 8: hasn't really had the sense of insecurity, as you said
Speaker 8: question that we've had. And for the wait, if you're
Speaker 8: in Portland, Oregon, that's not black kids getting there behinds
Speaker 8: kicked by cops when they're out for black lives, that's
Speaker 8: their kids.
Speaker 1: That's their kids.
Speaker 8: In Seattle getting their behinds beat and getting fire holes,
Speaker 8: that's them and find they're dying. This is in Utah
Speaker 8: and North Dakota and South Dakota.
Speaker 1: That's them.
Speaker 8: And so I think that sense of instability and insecurity
Speaker 8: at least for white women with college degrees is moving voter.
Speaker 8: So this is a referendum on how much you know,
Speaker 8: White America's willing to put up with.
Speaker 1: We know how black men are going to vote, you know,
Speaker 1: we know two.
Speaker 2: Thirds we could have it, didn't a new percentage come
Speaker 2: out about how the number of black men are went
Speaker 2: up for voting for Trumps.
Speaker 3: Men on this that that was my.
Speaker 1: I think it's.
Speaker 8: Just I'm just going in and appeals to a certain consulinity,
Speaker 8: and he has.
Speaker 1: He's actually gone the.
Speaker 3: Hotel Biggers the outline, but that's you know.
Speaker 8: It's probably he'll probably get you know, ten eleven percent,
Speaker 8: but you know ten eleven percent of black men tend
Speaker 8: to vote Republican anyway, So he'll get his ten eleven
Speaker 8: percent of black men, he'll you know, ninety four percent
Speaker 8: of black women, ninety nine percent of black women to
Speaker 8: vote against him. He'll get he's getting more Hispanics because
Speaker 8: there's just a certain kind of masculinity. Yeah, they'll get some,
Speaker 8: but he's the overwhelming majority of black men are going
Speaker 8: to vote by.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just thought that was interesting. I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: so why did why did go up?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 4: Why to go up? Though?
Speaker 3: Why did what go up?
Speaker 5: The black men numbers for drunk drunk because there's a yeah,
Speaker 5: the the kind of toxic masculinity kind of me too blowback.
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's you know, you cheer for the
Speaker 3: black bad guy. This is why we watched Scarface a lot,
Speaker 3: and not from Here to Eternity we watch? Is that
Speaker 3: the only film? I'm sorry that was an odd example,
Speaker 3: you know, I just in my mind, I was like,
Speaker 3: don't say that film, Just say anything pee Wee's bigg Adventurement.
Speaker 3: Don't but.
Speaker 8: Sixty hip hop lyrics like he he meane a lot
Speaker 8: of you know. I remember interviewing Uncle Luke in twenty
Speaker 8: fifty and he was like, we were all at Trump's
Speaker 8: house party. You know, Trump's in our lyrics.
Speaker 3: Like Trump's on like method Man's record, but a record thing.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's a different context because I
Speaker 5: don't think it's fair to say there are plenty of
Speaker 5: people I hung out at parties with. I don't think
Speaker 5: the motherfucker should be president, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: So I think it's a different context of like this
Speaker 5: guy in the eighties, I mean, you know, the eighties nineties.
Speaker 3: I mean he was basically just he was just like
Speaker 3: a celebrity.
Speaker 5: It was aspirational and it was he was just a
Speaker 5: nigga that finessed. He was basing the nigga that so
Speaker 5: prefaiked legal and was just a finessing everybody. But you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like that's all the shit was.
Speaker 5: But now you see the finesse. It's like, you respect
Speaker 5: the finesse. Like you see the finesse, it's like, oh man,
Speaker 5: he finessing and doing this and he's selling buildings. It's like,
Speaker 5: oh now he's doing this. Oh he's got a TV show,
Speaker 5: And like, you respect the finesse. But then once it
Speaker 5: gets to the White House, it's like, okay, y'all, then
Speaker 5: took this shit to fall.
Speaker 3: Now it's dangerous.
Speaker 5: Like before it was like a guy we just kind
Speaker 5: of looked at, you laughed at you laughed at the hair,
Speaker 5: you saw whatever. But now it's like, hold up, dude, y'all,
Speaker 5: don't put this motherfucker in the White House.
Speaker 3: Are you shipping me? Like, nah, come to fuck on,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: That's the part where nah, bro don't don't do that, y'all,
Speaker 5: don't ran this shit too far.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's what Joy be thinking every day
Speaker 2: when she's sitting at that desk.
Speaker 1: I really, I still can't believe that.
Speaker 8: People, because he did lose the election. I just can't
Speaker 8: believe them. Four hundred people in the electoral calls said yeah,
Speaker 8: let's do.
Speaker 1: This, let's put this.
Speaker 3: It was that close.
Speaker 6: So okay.
Speaker 5: So that brings me to a question, Joe, I'm curious
Speaker 5: to know your thoughts on So I'm curious to see
Speaker 5: what the post Trump effect will be on politics, because
Speaker 5: you know, on one hand, there's a lot of people
Speaker 5: that are saying, well, Trump got it, So now the
Speaker 5: I guess the kind of cold of personality and the
Speaker 5: celebrity that that door is wide open. So now you
Speaker 5: might see, hell, the rock might try to run some
Speaker 5: ship or.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, and I want to know your thoughts.
Speaker 5: I kind of think that now this may be a
Speaker 5: tipping point where the American public are looking at this
Speaker 5: ship and they like, look, dude, let the papers pop in,
Speaker 5: the breakers break, you know what I mean, Like, y'all
Speaker 5: motherfuckers like, let the politicians be politicians.
Speaker 3: Just you famous niggas. Just be famous niggas. Don't it.
Speaker 3: You ain't never tried it, Like we gave you one shot.
Speaker 3: We tried to think out the box. Now rest your niggas.
Speaker 3: Just go sit home.
Speaker 5: We don't care if y'all left right Democrat. No, just
Speaker 5: keep making movies. Stay the funk out of politics because
Speaker 5: y'all fucking shit up.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 8: You go.
Speaker 3: Tell that to Puffy, Tell that to Kanye.
Speaker 1: I mean they figure.
Speaker 8: I think Republicans figured they're one, they're one for two
Speaker 8: because they had Reagan. You know, so I don't know
Speaker 8: that this is over because you gotta remember about.
Speaker 5: Reagan too, But like even Reagan, it was different because
Speaker 5: Reagan governor, he was a governor at least got it and.
Speaker 3: As an actor, you governor now, right, y'all do that.
Speaker 4: No, he's not. I'm not saying that. Don't don't't talk
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 3: You better move who running for now? He's he has
Speaker 3: his yay, now has his sights for being governor of California. First,
Speaker 3: good luck, not good for anyone.
Speaker 1: Help him. He needs help.
Speaker 3: But I mean, you can't tell nobody known with five
Speaker 3: billion dollars in their pocket.
Speaker 5: Obviously we really got five billion in his pocket.
Speaker 3: Though, you know, I asked Adidas this all the time.
Speaker 8: With joy.
Speaker 1: Is it crazy to ask you?
Speaker 2: Can?
Speaker 8: You?
Speaker 4: Well? Well, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3: That's the first question.
Speaker 5: So you think do you think do you think celebrities
Speaker 5: are done out of politics?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 3: What do you think the post Trump fit will be?
Speaker 8: I don't think it's done, because you have to remember,
Speaker 8: part of what drives Republicans is a real anger that
Speaker 8: they've lost the culture. And I think they're more angry
Speaker 8: about losing the culture than they are about facing the
Speaker 8: political majorities. And they don't ever win majorities. They don't
Speaker 8: care about that. What they hate is that back when
Speaker 8: Reagan was in being a Republican was cool still. You know,
Speaker 8: they could still get invited to the Oscars. What they
Speaker 8: really want is they want you to like them. They
Speaker 8: want the culture to be into them. They hate the
Speaker 8: fact that they feel isolated from Hollywood. They feel isolated
Speaker 8: from the music world. Not one Sarago artists hate them.
Speaker 8: They they covet being around celebrities and being among celebrities.
Speaker 8: We had Robert de Niro on the show and he
Speaker 8: knows that Trump wants desperately for him to show up
Speaker 8: at the White House and like be his friend. He
Speaker 8: hate can't stand him, and most of the really famous
Speaker 8: people can't. And that's why when Kanye popped up, they
Speaker 8: were so eager to grab him and hold and grab
Speaker 8: him and hold on to him because they just want
Speaker 8: the culture and they same thing.
Speaker 1: They snatched up on him.
Speaker 8: They couldn't wait to tweet him out as a matter,
Speaker 8: but he was apparently wasn't prepared for them to tweet
Speaker 8: him out like that, not that I don't know. He
Speaker 8: didn't think they were going to do him like that,
Speaker 8: but they're so desperate to have the culture. So no,
Speaker 8: I think if anybody halfway famous tries it again, Republicans
Speaker 8: will do it because they're basically a minority party of
Speaker 8: Christian white men and their wives, and there's just not
Speaker 8: enough of those to ever be a popular political party.
Speaker 1: And they feel like Mark Cuban is our standard bearer.
Speaker 8: Maybe that'll translate over and people will ignore what he's
Speaker 8: saying and just look at who he is.
Speaker 1: So I think it's not over.
Speaker 5: I could see, yeah, I can see. Maybe I had thoughts.
Speaker 5: I was talking with a friend of mine. Earlier, we
Speaker 5: thought about Tucker Carlson being like a dangerous you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. I mean just I mean, he's he's
Speaker 5: in so many homes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Like well, And it used to be people who are
Speaker 8: really rich wouldn't want to be president because it's the
Speaker 8: Sallery cut, you know, scorners me five thousand years to
Speaker 8: a million.
Speaker 1: But Trump has shown that you can make million.
Speaker 8: Billions president, I mean president, now that you know people
Speaker 8: who have authoritarian you know, you richer while you're president.
Speaker 1: He's broken all the rules. And then a smart version
Speaker 1: of Trump and then we're really in Joey.
Speaker 2: I'm curious because I watched Unless way, way, way too much.
Speaker 2: And the one conversation I haven't heard people have yet
Speaker 2: is letting Trump out of the White House with the
Speaker 2: information that he has, what do we do about that?
Speaker 2: And him monetizing that and doing all kinds of mess
Speaker 2: up things to the country to pay.
Speaker 4: Us back to what we did.
Speaker 8: I don't I don't see Trump as somebody with the
Speaker 8: mental acuity to remember any important things to give them away.
Speaker 1: I just don't sharp.
Speaker 8: I know, if you'd like to talk about Biden being off,
Speaker 8: but Trump not right up there, you know, up here,
Speaker 8: I'm sure he could remember it.
Speaker 1: I'm more worried about people like Art.
Speaker 4: I was just about to say, Avonka, what about Ivanka don.
Speaker 1: Jared, Like, yeah, you don't know what they would sell.
Speaker 8: We don't know what's for sale when they you know,
Speaker 8: I've heard about that too, especially for Russia and especially.
Speaker 1: To the studies and y'all go, I only know.
Speaker 6: I don't dang.
Speaker 4: We did exactly to joy what we said. We weren't politics. Yes,
Speaker 4: can I do want to ask you this though?
Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned just all the effects of Trump
Speaker 2: and how your career has kind of been, like you know,
Speaker 2: it's a effect of that, and with the readout it's
Speaker 2: so interesting as well, because even with the unfortunate you know,
Speaker 2: exit of Chris Matthew, of Chris Matthews kind of like
Speaker 2: the same thing as the Trump effect.
Speaker 4: And I wanted to know how you feel.
Speaker 2: It's do you feel like a heavy weight because now
Speaker 2: you are when Eiffel, now you are the lone black
Speaker 2: woman doing the primetime news.
Speaker 3: Yes, can I answer this question? Yes, because you're you're
Speaker 3: going to answer a question that I also want to know,
Speaker 3: is how secure do you feel with the readout and
Speaker 3: how it's going now because I was emotionally attached to
Speaker 3: another black female journalist at this very station. Yes, and
Speaker 3: poof thin air. And that's that's kind of my thing
Speaker 3: when when a new show comes and I like, I
Speaker 3: don't want to get emotionally attached because then there's no security.
Speaker 3: I know, there's no such thing as job security. But
Speaker 3: but because the the the resounding uh praise for the show,
Speaker 3: I mean, has has been so good, do you feel
Speaker 3: that you're in at least a good place with the show.
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely.
Speaker 8: I mean, look the I'm friends with both of those
Speaker 8: two ladies who are talking about and you know, I
Speaker 8: mean the you know, when I took over the weekend show,
Speaker 8: you know, I actually I was here talking to Melissa
Speaker 8: because I.
Speaker 1: Didn't want her to leave, you know, I did, and
Speaker 1: I depended on her show. I was like, I really
Speaker 1: really missed her and I still miss her voice a.
Speaker 8: Tip and.
Speaker 4: Her name.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I I.
Speaker 8: Me too, me too with me and like tammeron Hall
Speaker 8: is just blown all the way up and I'm so
Speaker 8: proud of her and I watched her.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I always already in Marylyn. Her show is
Speaker 1: on at one o'clock, so I already know every everything
Speaker 1: that happened.
Speaker 8: When it comes off, like d it, I can't look
Speaker 8: at Twitter, but I mean so, I mean the good
Speaker 8: thing about this, there's always another light. And I had
Speaker 8: my show canceled my daytime, my daytime show canceled, and
Speaker 8: felt what that felt like. And so there's nothing that
Speaker 8: can really hurt me now, you know, getting canceled once
Speaker 8: it's happened to you back in that prospect. I'm a
Speaker 8: good writer, I'm a smart person. I'm innovative.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: If the show end tomorrow, okay, well thank you.
Speaker 3: Uh you know, we appreciate you coming on the show
Speaker 3: and giving us your time. I know that you know
Speaker 3: your hour plus is precious time.
Speaker 2: And oh promote your commerce, your promis series, so please,
Speaker 2: please please, And I.
Speaker 8: Want to just to add to my last answer to
Speaker 8: say that I you know, I'm not saying I don't
Speaker 8: absolutely love doing the show, which I do. I just
Speaker 8: want to make that clear because it's fun, Like we
Speaker 8: managed to have fun, and so I just want to
Speaker 8: big up we managed to like make that news fun,
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 1: So I love doing the show. I love doing my
Speaker 1: weekend go back. Then I missed them as well, So
Speaker 1: it's fun. This is I'm lucky.
Speaker 8: I'm blessed. But my mom never made a kind of
Speaker 8: money that I'm making. She never got the chance. You know,
Speaker 8: I'm proud. I think she proud because she was a
Speaker 8: new So I'm just happy to be out there making
Speaker 8: my mother proud.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Decompressed?
Speaker 6: Joy?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 3: What do you watch? I don't want this just to
Speaker 3: be the doom and gloom? What do you do to relax?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 3: Watching?
Speaker 8: I love watching side By I know y'all started off
Speaker 8: talking about love Craft country.
Speaker 1: I love side By stuff. I love anything with zombies
Speaker 1: in it. No, I was like, all the walking is
Speaker 1: all the walking, all of that. I just love like
Speaker 1: creature features, like, you know, give me a hunt. I
Speaker 1: just finished watching The Haunting a black House, good called Dark,
Speaker 1: which is like a crazy like time travel crazy.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: I just love watching TV. I grew I'm Generation next,
Speaker 1: so I grew up watching the TV. So I love
Speaker 1: that's what I did for Did you watch?
Speaker 3: Have you watched?
Speaker 5: Well, there's two competing Coke documentaries. There's The Vow on
Speaker 5: HBO and then.
Speaker 3: You want to go in, let's go in. Let's okay, okay,
Speaker 3: starts the val.
Speaker 5: No, I don't watch the Vow. So the Vow is
Speaker 5: like series. It's a nine part series. First off, just
Speaker 5: right there a nine part documentary series like Nigga.
Speaker 3: That's like a forty page suicide note.
Speaker 5: You really don't want to do that, so right, So
Speaker 5: like it's the ship is nine fucking parts, right, and
Speaker 5: it's about this coat. It is this this white dude
Speaker 5: there's like running this like fu Heithaniery running who just
Speaker 5: got sentenced to one hundred and twenty years.
Speaker 3: By the way, like yesterday, he would be long gone.
Speaker 3: Then asked, oh no, it's real.
Speaker 4: This ain't.
Speaker 5: This ain't fictionalized, that nigga sitting down for one hundred
Speaker 5: twenty of them things.
Speaker 3: So they just you know, he got it.
Speaker 5: The vow nine parts and but and it's directed by
Speaker 5: two of the directors that used to be in the Coat,
Speaker 5: or they went to some of them, and then there
Speaker 5: got all this footage of people and it's just basically
Speaker 5: about how this nigga was a scammer. He had like
Speaker 5: a a fucking pyramid scheme he was running and then
Speaker 5: he had this other thing on the side out of
Speaker 5: the pyramid scheme that it was a sex coat and
Speaker 5: he was branding women and you know, like all this shit.
Speaker 5: The vowel is nine parts, is super long, and don't
Speaker 5: watch it. No, don't watch this ship its bull shits.
Speaker 1: Whats to watch?
Speaker 5: The other one that the competing one is seduced. Now seduced.
Speaker 5: This's on stars and seduce. Come on, listen, hold on, okay,
Speaker 5: now the difference seduced. It's only four parts and they
Speaker 5: come out the gate. The first two minutes it's all smoke, baby. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they get right to it. They get into all like
Speaker 5: all the all his funck ship and you know, just
Speaker 5: how basically hit and and they also in h in Seduced.
Speaker 5: They have a psychologist on it that breaks down like
Speaker 5: all the techniques he was using and like techniques that
Speaker 5: colts will use and like everything. So and and it's
Speaker 5: based by the girls. So the girl that the that
Speaker 5: seduced is based on uh India, well, Alison mac She
Speaker 5: was the one that was helping to run the car.
Speaker 5: But the girl that like went under and they couldn't
Speaker 5: get her out. It was the Oxenburger, was it? Christine India? India, India,
Speaker 5: So India Oxenburg. Her mom is Christine Oxenburg, who's this
Speaker 5: white lady used to be on Dynasty back in the day.
Speaker 5: And her grandma, yeah grandma, Hey, so Christine Notusenberg rich
Speaker 5: white dynasty actions lady. And then the the grandma is
Speaker 5: like a real queen. She was like the queen of
Speaker 5: some country or something like, yeah.
Speaker 3: The duchess of some ship and so.
Speaker 8: And so.
Speaker 6: Then they get off his chest.
Speaker 5: You got to see you go ahead, and so then
Speaker 5: like they get into how the Bronfman sisters were like
Speaker 5: bank rolling this nigga, like he pulled.
Speaker 3: The funded my records. Yeah, them was about to go
Speaker 3: to jail and Jojo and Shaggy I'm good for right now.
Speaker 5: It wasn't me, Claire and the other one I can't
Speaker 5: remember Claire and the other sister.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, they about to go to jail.
Speaker 5: But but yeah, so it's if you're in just for
Speaker 5: some good kind of trash, like white people foolishness, just to.
Speaker 3: Take the load off your chance jewelry, I.
Speaker 11: Recommend seduced you relaxing some white people foolishness. Fucking Okay,
Speaker 11: Well there you go. There's your white people foolish and
Speaker 11: stuff Filo the day.
Speaker 1: After election day from Diana. So every time they would say, oh, wait,
Speaker 1: where's your accent from where you're from? And she would
Speaker 1: say Guyana.
Speaker 8: They said, oh, are you from Jonestown and she would
Speaker 8: have to say Georgetown, georgetownwn.
Speaker 1: Wow, cold stuff. I'll watch it.
Speaker 5: Oh and I also watched it was good. If you'll
Speaker 5: check the forty year old version. That's really yeah.
Speaker 4: That is a is a great black wonderfulness right there
Speaker 4: on Netflix.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so now we gave you something to decompress.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Joey, We thank you for coming on our show.
Speaker 3: We appreciate it. Joy read everybody.
Speaker 4: Check it out NBC.
Speaker 8: The six part podcast is actually going to be ending
Speaker 8: right when this is coming out, when this episode is
Speaker 8: coming out of this show of this uh plus love show.
Speaker 8: And it is a six part series on the making
Speaker 8: of Kamala Harris. It's called Kamala Harris next in Line,
Speaker 8: so that is downloadable where you get the podcast. And
Speaker 8: then my other podcast is called What to Read and
Speaker 8: Me interviewing book authors hopefully soon plus love too. And
Speaker 8: so I got two podcasts. I'll have a third one
Speaker 8: that's coming out next year, we're coming back to call.
Speaker 8: We'll read this, read that, which is me and Jackie
Speaker 8: Ree just being silly. That's just being still out.
Speaker 3: You should be on that one. I love that.
Speaker 4: I just want you to know.
Speaker 2: Black America just called and wanted me to tell you
Speaker 2: and say thank you, and we got your back forever.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks, Thank you America.
Speaker 3: No, okay, well on behalf of fon Tikeolo, Sugar Steve,
Speaker 3: unpaid Bill lie here.
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