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Speaker 2: Family just wanted to give you a heads up that

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Speaker 2: the audio quality of this episode at times may not

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Speaker 2: be the stand that you are used to, but bear

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Speaker 2: with us. We thought this sit down with joy Read

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Speaker 2: was an important listen considering the current climate.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 4: Robert watching Bargin.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I've been watching this.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I'm doing this or all damn? Why you always

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Speaker 6: got to ruin show Man?

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Speaker 5: No, I mean it's it's cool, like I like it.

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Speaker 5: It's I liked it better than that other show that.

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Speaker 3: You jump You jumped the gun a little too soon.

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Speaker 6: I all right, I get it. I know Jordan's Hill

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Speaker 6: Productions made us work for it.

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Speaker 7: And one day no, no, no, I hope one day

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Speaker 7: that he does something and it just the point is there, Like, yes,

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Speaker 7: I have to commit to watching Lovecraft Country two to

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Speaker 7: three times every episode to catch Easter eggs.

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Speaker 6: I didn't get.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's too many. It's too many other shows that

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Speaker 5: I can watch once. Intead are great and I'm just like,

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Speaker 5: I mean, because my wife, my wife, she loves Lovecraft

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Speaker 5: like she watches it. No, it's important and I will

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Speaker 5: watch it sometimes with her, and I'll be like, but

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Speaker 5: like I but like I been like, I'll be in

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Speaker 5: another room and it's just like I hear just trap

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Speaker 5: music and then I look at the screen and it's

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Speaker 5: a fucking word wolf for some ship.

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Speaker 3: What the fuck is this? There's a lot of ship

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Speaker 3: joint Hello, Hello, how you doing? Welcome to myself Supreme.

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Speaker 3: This is literally how we just start episodes. We just

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Speaker 3: jumping with Can we ask.

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Speaker 4: Her real quick?

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Speaker 6: Don't love trap music?

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Speaker 3: Wolve?

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Speaker 1: Hello? Everybody?

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Speaker 6: Let's go on love Craft? Yeah or day? Are you

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Speaker 6: in it or not in it?

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Speaker 1: I'm watching it, but it traumatizes me.

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Speaker 8: Right, I can only watch so much of like the

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Speaker 8: abuse of black people in history entertainment before I start

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Speaker 8: to really just start to lose.

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Speaker 1: My mind a little bit.

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Speaker 3: So I watched The Payoff The Payoffice, episode seven.

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Speaker 1: It works in the end.

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Speaker 8: I stayed with it because first of all, the Nina

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Speaker 8: Simone tracks are fire, the music is fire, and it

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Speaker 8: pays off in the end.

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Speaker 1: But it's a.

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Speaker 3: Lot, it's a lot lot. The important the important thing

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Speaker 3: about it, once I did the research was that I

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Speaker 3: didn't know the history. Okay, so I knew the history

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Speaker 3: of how modern comedy started in America, which starts with

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Speaker 3: minstrel entertainment making fun of slaves and whatnot.

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Speaker 6: You know, the black face, we know that I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize that the slave was also or the

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Speaker 3: freed slave was actually the impetus for the modern horror flick,

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Speaker 3: like basically the rising down the album cover Fonte, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that was the whole day, was HB.

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Speaker 6: Love Right? HB. Lovecraft?

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Speaker 3: Uh started writing fiction about how freed slaves were going

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Speaker 6: Birth of the horror genre.

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Speaker 3: Like it was based on black people being the Boogeyman

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Speaker 3: and all that stuff. So which makes you.

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Speaker 2: Show the ultimate buck you because them casting all these

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Speaker 2: black people and making this a black story and remix

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Speaker 2: it is like love Craft, No, white.

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Speaker 3: People the real they're the real horror people.

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Speaker 6: So it's it's it's it's the real. That's that's how

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Speaker 6: we get into it. Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: If you're just joining us right now, Uh, I insisted,

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Speaker 3: I call this the COVID Open, not the Cold Open.

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Speaker 3: So we just decided to not have an official intro

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Speaker 6: So we're talking about love Craft.

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Speaker 3: But of course it would be remiss if I didn't

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Speaker 6: There's only a few names.

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Speaker 3: That I trust to deliver the facts that I need

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Speaker 3: prime example of that. I've been watching am Joy and

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Speaker 3: of course the readout. She's my thirty rock mate. Do

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Speaker 3: you refer to that building as thirty rock? Are the

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Speaker 3: only one that calls it thirty Rocks? I call it

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Speaker 3: thirty rock YEP, Okay, fine, yeah, it's it's it's my

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Speaker 3: trusted source for information. Of course, when this airs today,

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Speaker 3: last on This happened because you know these sort of

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Speaker 3: oh my god, we sorted we it was a celebration

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Speaker 3: this recording. So you know this this was done a

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Speaker 3: week before. But ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to Quest

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Speaker 3: Love supremeum Joy Reid. You know, and I also want

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Speaker 3: to let you know that this is probably more of

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Speaker 3: a lighthearted interview about your life, not like I know you're.

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Speaker 6: Tired of or are we going to be okay?

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Speaker 3: I know everyone's asking you, can you tell us something

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Speaker 3: that you know and.

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Speaker 6: We don't know? So how are you today?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, Quest, It's so good to be here with you.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a big fan. Can I tell my

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Speaker 1: quest Love story real quick?

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Speaker 6: Least know you have one?

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Speaker 4: Everybody has one.

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Speaker 8: So the first time I met you, Quest, I actually

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Speaker 8: just got in an elevator with you at thirty Rock

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Speaker 8: and I was like, I'm thinking.

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Speaker 1: Myself, Oh my god, okay, Quest of honest, how am

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Speaker 1: I gonna act cool? I gotta act like normal, like

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything crazy, so I must have been.

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Speaker 8: My face must have been like, like, I look like

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Speaker 8: a crazy person, probably because you just turned me and

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Speaker 8: you said hello.

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Speaker 1: I was like, so you're you're.

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Speaker 8: One thing I love is when you meet somebody that is,

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Speaker 8: you know, famous, they are just as cool as they seem.

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Speaker 1: So I would give you that.

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Speaker 8: My students met you once you came out of your

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Speaker 1: So you cool?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, yeah. I Actually, you know what's weird

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Speaker 3: is Uh. I would often trail you, either in the

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Speaker 3: see uh, like Brian Williams, we're kind of BFFs.

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Speaker 6: But when someone yells's name Brian, he never looks.

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Speaker 3: So usually when when news pundits and and and reporters

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Speaker 3: are in the hallways of thirty Rock, they never respond

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Speaker 3: didn't want to be the guy like Joy it's you know,

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Speaker 3: and then you just walk on by itself. Yes, I've

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Speaker 3: I decide to, you know, to to break the ice.

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Speaker 1: There has anyone ever seen me over there? You know?

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Speaker 1: No, I noticed this.

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Speaker 3: This new COVID opening doesn't include introducing the team. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: forgive me, forgive me, you know what. I well, you're

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Speaker 6: Look, okay, I think.

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Speaker 3: By now three years that we know that laya with

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Speaker 3: it's and we have a unpaid bill.

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Speaker 6: Hey, you speak.

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Speaker 5: Radio, so I gotta go with voices already high.

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Speaker 3: Yes, how you doing? And uh fan tickeolo in North

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Speaker 5: I was like, we went, me and my wife who

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I just want to say out of joy, that

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Speaker 9: was my whole reason for interrupting.

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Speaker 1: This is a first.

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Speaker 6: Joy.

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Speaker 3: I know we have you for limited time, and there's

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Speaker 3: Like what is your average day, Like.

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Speaker 1: Disrupts so much that we used to have a Wednesday plan.

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Speaker 1: But now it's a grind, you know. I used to

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Speaker 8: And I had forgotten, you know, I'm a little older

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Speaker 1: So it's a lot.

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Speaker 8: We do four meeting for show meetings a day by phone,

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Speaker 8: sometimes by zoom, and then in between it's like taking

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Speaker 8: a college course. You're trying to read everything. It's a

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Speaker 8: blizzard of information and he just won't stop, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean I covered the Obama administration.

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Speaker 8: When I was at the cRIO and as an MSNBC analyst,

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Speaker 8: and Obama lets you rest every so often.

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Speaker 1: He would speak during my day side show. He's like, Obama,

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Speaker 1: be president. This guy won't let you stop looking at him.

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Speaker 8: as it's always been constructed. He thinks he's the king.

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Speaker 8: He thinks king of the United States. We've never had

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Speaker 8: anything like that.

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Speaker 1: So for me, it's like Woodward and Bernstein, except Nixon

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Speaker 1: is like Gargantua. You know, he's not even a normal Nixon.

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Speaker 1: He made Trump make Nixon, you know, look like Charlie Brown.

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Speaker 8: So it's not even you can't even catch him because

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Speaker 8: he's doing a different horrible thing every day.

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Speaker 1: So this is Nixon on steroids.

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Speaker 8: So for journalists, you know, I did write a book

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Speaker 8: about him, and he's already done one.

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Speaker 1: Hundred and three.

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Speaker 8: Thousand bad things since then, since right, and it's like

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Speaker 8: so you can't keep up with it.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot.

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Speaker 8: I think it's gonna take a good few years after

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Speaker 8: he's gone for us to really compile all of this

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Speaker 8: and really understand it. And I do think it is

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Speaker 8: something that people are going to study because this is

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Speaker 8: the closest we ever came to not being a democracy again.

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Speaker 8: And I honestly believe that if Trump is re elected,

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Speaker 8: what I do for a living will be a lot

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Speaker 8: like what journalists in Bellar russ are doing or journalists

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Speaker 8: in Russia are doing, or journalists in Turkey are doing,

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Speaker 8: because we are then going to be.

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Speaker 1: Dealing with an autocrat.

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Speaker 8: And I don't mean to make that sound as hyperbole,

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Speaker 8: because I don't mean it as hyperbably.

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Speaker 1: That's how curious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're watching it like a lot's going to ride

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Speaker 3: on what happened yesterday, which we don't know the results.

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Speaker 6: I'll just remind people.

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Speaker 2: That and we probably won't write like what do you

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Speaker 2: that's an interesting question too, like when do you think

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Speaker 2: this thing will be decided?

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Speaker 4: Regardless, Like I think it's a two week Well.

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Speaker 8: Here's my chance to say something great about my former

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Speaker 8: state of Florida. I mean, listen, Florida has embarrassed US

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Speaker 8: as a country for a really long time, and they've

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Speaker 8: had a rough time with elections. But this might be

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Speaker 8: the year Florida actually saves America in times.

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Speaker 2: Bo purple blue, purple blue.

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Speaker 8: However, Florida's a tough state to lose because listen, the

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Speaker 8: reality is like angry mean grandparents all moved to Florida

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Speaker 8: and the cool grandparents all moved to Vegas, right, So

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Speaker 8: that's how you know. That's why you know, no matter

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Speaker 8: you fun granny is in Vegas like I'm gambling, you know,

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Speaker 8: the mean granny is that's Florida. So the problem is

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Speaker 8: Florida is very unreliable and the voters there are very

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Speaker 8: unreliable and they don't turn out to vote unless literally.

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Speaker 1: Obama is on the ballot.

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Speaker 8: Obama with Biden on the ticket did win it twice,

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Speaker 8: so Biden has a shot.

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Speaker 1: But if Florida Florida.

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Speaker 8: The good thing about Florida is that Florida actually has

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Speaker 8: been doing early voting, early absentee voting for a long

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Speaker 8: time because Florida has so many senior citizens, the mailing

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Speaker 8: mailing ballots are a regular thing for them, so they

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Speaker 8: will actually have a result on election. It's not going

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Speaker 8: to be like two thousand. We will actually probably know

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Speaker 8: Florida early and so whether it goes to Trump or

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Speaker 8: whether it goes to Biden at least won't know. And

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Speaker 8: actually that that's good for the country because we just

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Speaker 8: want to know the state that's going to be be

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Speaker 8: what Florida used to be. This year's Pennsylvania. If Pennsylvania

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Speaker 8: is close, that's your lawsuit to go to.

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Speaker 2: Yes, wow, Ackerson was going on in Pennsylvania right now.

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Speaker 2: Even though Philadelphia. I can't even you can't even look

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Speaker 2: at Philadelphia for the example at all, because Pennsylvania is

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Speaker 2: red and Philadelphia is blue.

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Speaker 4: But they're going right now, right.

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Speaker 3: Well, but you know, as of this speaking, uh you know,

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Speaker 3: my both my my sisters giving me updates, like you know,

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Speaker 3: there's stuff happening right outside of a window right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and it's looking very reddish, you know, right well, Red

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Speaker 3: is coming there on the floor like ducking.

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Speaker 2: But Red is coming to town though, for this kind

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Speaker 2: of activity, like Red lives for this activity.

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Speaker 4: Red been coming to town ever since they try to

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Speaker 4: take down these statues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's true. And you know, Pennsylvania is like

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Speaker 1: a lot of states.

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Speaker 8: It is you know, Philadelphia surrounded by Alabama, right, And

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Speaker 8: Ohio is like that, right, it's Cleveland surrounded by Alabama.

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Speaker 1: And most states are like that.

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Speaker 3: I mean Georgia that.

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Speaker 8: Exactly, and Florida is Miami and Broward, you know, browd

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Speaker 8: and Dates surrounded by Alabama.

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Speaker 1: I mean. The reality is is that.

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Speaker 8: You know, we have racially polarized voting in America, and

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Speaker 8: the majority of white Americans are Republicans, and people tend

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Speaker 8: to vote their party. It's like a tribe, and so

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Speaker 8: there are going to be some people who break.

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Speaker 1: Away who are Republicans.

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Speaker 8: Most Republicans will come home to the Republican Party even

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Speaker 8: if it's Trump. And so the Republicans are about twenty

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Speaker 8: two to twenty three percent.

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Speaker 1: Of the total population. They're actually small group, but they.

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Speaker 8: Both like greatly because they're also older and so because

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Speaker 8: they are average older people. And the most elderly state

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Speaker 8: in the country are Florida and Pennsylvania. So there are

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Speaker 8: a lot of older white voters in the state of Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 8: and they're falled in a vote pretty much much all

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Speaker 8: but women. And this time even white women voters are

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Speaker 8: starting to trend away if they have a college degree

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Speaker 8: from Trump. So if he loses white women even by

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Speaker 8: one percentage one. I've always said to you know, our

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Speaker 8: white friends, we don't need all of y'all.

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Speaker 1: You just need fifty percent or more of white women

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Speaker 1: to turn away.

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Speaker 8: From Republicans and white the women because three percent voted

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Speaker 8: for him before, Yes, and Democrats just need to get

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Speaker 8: that down to fifty to fifty and believe it or.

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Speaker 6: Not, that's enough.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, A wise person once told me that Democrats

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Speaker 3: fall in love Republicans following fall in line, you know, so.

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Speaker 8: But one more piece of good news. We don't know

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Speaker 8: what's going to happen again. Anything can happen. But I

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Speaker 8: think the Republicans actually made a mistake this time with

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Speaker 8: that Amy Cony Barrett nomination. I think, well, in their mind,

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Speaker 8: they thought this is going to rev up their base.

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Speaker 1: But it's like when you have a tea kettle on.

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Speaker 8: Once the water boils, it lets off that sound, and

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Speaker 8: then that means the pressure is released. Republicans are always

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Speaker 8: better off when their based is anticipating maybe getting.

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Speaker 1: A Supreme Court nomination.

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Speaker 8: Now that they have a six to three court, there's

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Speaker 8: a lot less motivation and a lot less energy and

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Speaker 8: a lot less rage behind the Christian conservative vote.

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Speaker 1: They've taken that off the table. So now they do

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Speaker 1: have doubts about.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about this now, because what a out this

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Speaker 2: other argument that like, now that she's here, because we

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Speaker 2: haven't talked about OKAYI Biden wins.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't necessarily mean the king the witch is dead.

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Speaker 2: If he turns around and decides I'm gonna figure out

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Speaker 2: a way to stay here. And this whole you know

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Speaker 2: theory about well, I'm going to go through the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court and I'm going to write this, So is it really.

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Speaker 8: I don't help him in the vote, because you know

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Speaker 8: most I mean, I worked on a couple of elections,

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Speaker 8: and I worked on one where we failed in two

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Speaker 8: thousand and four with America coming together, we're trying to

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Speaker 8: help carry from outside with your sources money, and I

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Speaker 8: worked on both in the press shop.

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Speaker 1: And when you talk to voters, anger.

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Speaker 10: And retribution are much more powerful motivators than raditude.

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Speaker 1: People don't vote for someone because they're great.

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Speaker 8: They vote because they're pissed off and or because they

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Speaker 8: want someone. So once you give voters a six report,

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Speaker 8: they didn't feel comfortable and say.

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Speaker 1: It's not urgent to vote. So if I had doubts

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Speaker 1: about Trump, I now have the thing I really wanted.

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Speaker 1: I don't need, like his personality, I don't need to

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Speaker 1: you know, thank you.

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Speaker 8: By voting for him, I can let go, I can

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Speaker 8: back off, and I can now.

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Speaker 1: Accept the things I don't like. I don't want him

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Speaker 1: anymore because I got what I wanted.

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Speaker 8: But if you're the women who voted like crazy twenty,

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Speaker 8: including again a majority of white college educated women, or

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Speaker 8: in rain by the election, and they really wait to

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Speaker 8: get revenge. And black women always are out here trying

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Speaker 8: to pay back. So twenty eighteen was the tsunami because

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Speaker 8: women of all races were enraged and they kept that

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Speaker 8: energy for two solid years and voted just everyone they

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Speaker 8: can get out and gave the House back the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: So that anchor is still there. And so if for

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Speaker 1: Trump to win, the only way he wins this now.

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Speaker 8: Is that he somehow suppresses enough votes in the key.

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Speaker 1: If they somehow are able to stop enough people voting

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Speaker 1: electoral college, that's his only shot.

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Speaker 4: You can do it in Georgia, Jamie, thanks to the governor.

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Speaker 1: That's one state, But Georgie is I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I almost feel more confident about Georgia a little bit

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Speaker 8: than Florida because Florida's so difficult. But Georgia black voters

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Speaker 8: are voting like crazy.

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Speaker 3: I personally, I personally feel as though Biden will win. However,

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Speaker 3: what I'm also certain about is the amount of pettiness

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Speaker 3: and the amount of uncertainty that's going to occur from

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Speaker 3: his last November. Yeah, from November fourth to January twentieth,

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Speaker 3: and you know, kick around. I mean, he could again,

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Speaker 3: that's that's my Everyone is like, oh, I'm afraid of

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Speaker 3: the eflection for sauce, No, I think changing presidents might

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Speaker 3: be I don't think that's harder than us surviving uh

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Speaker 3: the next sixty days, you know, with him at the

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Speaker 3: with him drunk at the will.

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Speaker 6: But like, that's what I'm concerned about.

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Speaker 9: What is a what is a transfer of power that's

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Speaker 9: not the right way? What does that look like? Like

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Speaker 9: all that? The only reference I have is like in

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Speaker 9: season six of West Wing, you know, Jimmy Smith walks

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Speaker 9: out of the thing, and you know, and whomever walks

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Speaker 9: in the thing, and that's the only reference I have, Like,

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Speaker 9: and they seem to be friends, and then he leaves

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Speaker 9: a note, right, and then the note says, don't for

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Speaker 9: you know, don't do the wrong thing and where the

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Speaker 9: secret codes.

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Speaker 6: Are or whatever he says.

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Speaker 9: You know, I'm just I'm interested when they say, like,

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Speaker 9: you know, Trump won't let the transfer power be be peaceful?

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Speaker 6: What does that mean?

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Speaker 9: Are we gonna have see like armies in the streets?

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Speaker 6: Like how.

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Speaker 8: I this is the thing I worry about more than

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Speaker 8: the pride. I think what state that Biden won? I

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Speaker 8: mean that Hillary Clinton one is by not. I don't

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Speaker 8: see how Biden uses.

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Speaker 1: And he's got a good shot at capturing the three

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Speaker 1: surprise breaks Trump.

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Speaker 8: So you know, I'm even at that point where I

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Speaker 8: don't know that I you know, I do whipple anounsis

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Speaker 8: for a living, and I like smart for me to

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Speaker 8: trust my own god, which I'm looking at this data

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Speaker 8: and I'm saying, everything I need in the data is

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Speaker 8: this bib.

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Speaker 1: But it's hard for data to account her voter suppression

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Speaker 1: and for just outright.

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Speaker 8: That which the Pennsylvania legislature is contemplated the same we

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Speaker 8: don't care what the about.

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Speaker 1: We even need the elector.

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Speaker 8: And then of course that goes before that's the case

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Speaker 8: in eighty twenty Varses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and given to Trump. So I don't trust the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I don't trust her car trust on claring.

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Speaker 1: But let's just say none of.

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Speaker 2: That parents swear, and oh my goodness, I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 2: just you know, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, who else what's where?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: I mean she is to women with Clarence is to us.

676
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Speaker 1: So I mean.

677
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Speaker 4: Bubble and that's why we love joy.

678
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Speaker 1: The same thing.

679
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Speaker 8: But what I think happens if is that you know,

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Speaker 8: Barack Obama as much as he buyes and was horrified

681
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Speaker 8: by Trump, he.

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Speaker 1: Left him with no too, like in the West Way,

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Speaker 1: right is gonna.

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Speaker 6: Leave a no no.

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Speaker 1: I know what it looks like for what he'll do,

686
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Speaker 1: but I suspect you probably feel like he has to

687
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Speaker 1: show up the inaugural. Maybe he just doesn't show up

688
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Speaker 1: at all. But I'm I don't worry about him.

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Speaker 10: Because even if he acts food and just needs whatever

690
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 10: and then goes enpires a lawyer.

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Speaker 8: And figures out his legal issues in New York, because

692
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Speaker 8: he will have legal issues in New York. I worry

693
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Speaker 8: about his fan because he doesn't have But I like

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Speaker 8: Brock Obama a lot. I respect it.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't die right, willing dying.

696
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Speaker 3: It's a cult, I said, it's a cult. Yeah, straight up.

697
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Speaker 8: It's a Jim Jones situation. And so are people willing

698
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Speaker 8: to hurt other people.

699
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Speaker 1: I worry about that.

700
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: Worry about you, Nicole Willace and Rachel Maddals heads exploding

701
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: on like at any given moment. That's that's what I

702
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: worry about. With all this knowledge and information, I don't

703
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: understand how that doesn't happen and how y'all still want

704
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Speaker 2: to keep doing this.

705
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: Coverage so Joy, I would actually I would like to

706
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: know you as a person because I watch you so

707
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: much and I don't know anything about your your life beforehand,

708
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Speaker 3: Like where were you born.

709
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: I was born in East Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York.

710
00:33:53,400 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 8: The best, the only borough that counts. Uh. My parents

711
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 8: or immigrants stuff, they somehow met in Iowa for some reason.

712
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 8: My mother was from Guyana and my father was from

713
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Speaker 8: the Congo.

714
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Speaker 1: And they somehow.

715
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Speaker 6: That's where you go.

716
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Speaker 8: I really think my mother had been in England and

717
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 8: she had been teaching and then wanted to come here

718
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Speaker 8: and go to graduate school.

719
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Speaker 1: And my father was also looking to to graduate school.

720
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Speaker 8: And I really think because for him, you know, the

721
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 8: Congo had just gotten its liberation and the new government

722
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Speaker 8: there was paying.

723
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Speaker 1: They were paying for everyone's college education. And I think

724
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Speaker 1: they just said, when we spend out money wisely, we

725
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Speaker 1: went to spending place to be inexpensive.

726
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Speaker 8: And I think they ended up being like, Iowa, that's

727
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Speaker 8: just cheap, let's go there, you know. And I think

728
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Speaker 8: my mother. I have no idea, because my parents are

729
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 8: both deceased. I can't even ask them now, but that's

730
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Speaker 8: where they met. And my sister was born in Iowa.

731
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Speaker 8: And then I was born in Brooklyn, and then they

732
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Speaker 8: somehow decided to move to Denver, Colorado, and that's where

733
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Speaker 8: my brother was born, and then they broke up. So

734
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Speaker 8: I was raised in Denver, Colorado from age two to

735
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 8: age seventeen and was just like you know, nerdy kid

736
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Speaker 8: that loved the news and sports.

737
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Speaker 1: All I really liked was football and the news.

738
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Speaker 3: News as a teenager who loves the news as a teenager.

739
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Speaker 1: You know, so one day I will never get this.

740
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Speaker 8: I was in like sixth grade, aging myself, and I

741
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 8: came upstairs and I'm watching this show at night that

742
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 8: was the Iran hostage crisis countdown, and for some reason,

743
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 8: I was just fascinated by the fact that people had

744
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Speaker 8: taken hostages and were holding them, would't let him go,

745
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Speaker 8: and I just saw I was like, Mom, can I

746
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Speaker 8: watch this? And she was like, Okay, you can stay

747
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 8: up and watch it, and I ended up watching Nightline.

748
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 8: With Nightline, I ended up watching that all the way

749
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 8: through LL til I graduated high school. I would wach

750
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Speaker 8: this Today show. I was just fascinated by information. I mean,

751
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Speaker 8: I was a nerd, you know, So I just liked

752
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 8: information and news and so I love that and in.

753
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Speaker 1: Football that's pretty much all I will watch. Well, i'd

754
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Speaker 1: starting and so I you know.

755
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Speaker 2: Who was your favorite childhood annger? I'm just curious back then?

756
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Speaker 2: Who's your favorite childhood anger back then?

757
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: Now you said that.

758
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Speaker 8: Today's show and yeah, I mean you know, later on

759
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 8: obviously was Gwen Iifel when I got older and it

760
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 8: was finally a black person. But growing up we were

761
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 8: all about Dan rather like and now I follow him

762
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Speaker 8: on Twitter and.

763
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd rather be going in right then.

764
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Speaker 1: He did back then too.

765
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Speaker 8: He had to be subtle with it, but I always

766
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Speaker 8: loved him. I thought he was always really funny.

767
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Speaker 3: So when when did you make that in high school?

768
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Speaker 3: When did you did you decide then that you wanted

769
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Speaker 3: to make a real pursuit in the journalism. Why you

770
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Speaker 3: mentioned that you were considering making documentaries first, and like,

771
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Speaker 3: where's your life in your twelve year of high school?

772
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, honestly, when I was probably about twelve,

773
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Speaker 8: I also told my mother I wanted to be a doctor,

774
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Speaker 8: and my sister told her.

775
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Speaker 1: She want to be lawyer. And West Indian parents don't

776
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Speaker 1: play that.

777
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Speaker 8: You want to be and you want to do other

778
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Speaker 8: stuff besides being a doctor or a lawyer. So I

779
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 8: was supposed to be a doctor, like that's what I

780
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Speaker 8: committed to. And I got into Harvard for pre med

781
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Speaker 8: and so my mother was so proud, and so that's

782
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Speaker 8: what I'm officially going to be. I was like, I

783
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Speaker 8: was going to write books on the side, but really

784
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Speaker 8: be a doctor, and I had committed to that. Unfortunately,

785
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Speaker 8: my mom passed away when I was seventeen. I was

786
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Speaker 8: just about to graduate or had just graduated high school,

787
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Speaker 8: and so I had to kind of make some different

788
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Speaker 8: decisions about what I was going to do because I

789
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Speaker 8: just really at that point did not want to be

790
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Speaker 8: a doctor because I just, you know, I didn't have

791
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Speaker 8: faith in the profession, you know, because I, you know,

792
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Speaker 8: my mom had passed and she was like everything. So

793
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Speaker 8: I went to Harvard, almost failed out, took a year

794
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Speaker 8: off when live with my auntie, my auntie Dolly in

795
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Speaker 8: East back in East Flatbush where we started, and I

796
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Speaker 8: just had to figure something else out. So when I

797
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 8: went back, I ended up moving out of my auntie's house.

798
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Speaker 8: Because if you anybody who has West Indian relatives or

799
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Speaker 8: knows any West Indian people, so living with a West

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Speaker 8: Indian lady meets five nights a week of church, and

801
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Speaker 8: I had been very aret. No, she was a Christian,

802
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Speaker 8: but I haven't raised Methodists. So we went one day,

803
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Speaker 8: you know, one hour. If it went past an hour,

804
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 8: people were looking at the pass They're like, you need

805
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Speaker 8: to stop preaching because we got to go watch this

806
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Speaker 8: Bronco game.

807
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Speaker 1: So I wasn't all church.

808
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 8: This was much So I ended up moving out and

809
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Speaker 8: I moved actually right down the street bike Lee, and

810
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 8: so there was all this stuff happening in Brooklyn at

811
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Speaker 8: Fort Green at the time.

812
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: That was before Fort Green was gentrified, so it was

813
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Speaker 1: just very.

814
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Speaker 8: Black, very It was just this amazing place to live,

815
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 8: just ast fight doing everything all the time, and music

816
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 8: videos and everything was happening on the block. So when

817
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 8: I went back to Harvard, I switched my major film

818
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 8: and they only had documentaries.

819
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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, oh documentary.

820
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Speaker 3: Wow, okay, who, like, who were the filmmakers that you

821
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 3: idolized back there or what stories did you want to tell?

822
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean we studied everything Oscar Me Show on,

823
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 8: you know, and but Fike is the person I really admired.

824
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Speaker 8: I was sort of the one person in the class

825
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 8: that wanted to do narrative films, and they were like

826
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Speaker 8: snobs and they only wanted documentaries, so they wouldn't let

827
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Speaker 8: us do narrative.

828
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Speaker 1: But I really idolized Fike back then, and.

829
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Speaker 8: So I was like, I'm gonna beat of females I

830
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Speaker 8: leave when I come out. And I actually wound up

831
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Speaker 8: meeting my husband because when I came out, we formed

832
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Speaker 8: a little production company. I met him because I took

833
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 8: a job at the School of Visual Arts and I

834
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 8: was actually his boss kind of in the in the

835
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Speaker 8: production office U and so me and him and a

836
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 8: bunch of other his friends we formed a little production

837
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Speaker 8: company and we wound up not doing documentaries but doing

838
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 8: a music video show, a reggae music video show, which

839
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 8: was back then we were competing with Ralph McDaniels on

840
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Speaker 8: on TV in New.

841
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: York City, so we were doing I was the producer,

842
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: So I booked everybody up. Yeah, no, we knew.

843
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 8: I mean it was wild because we knew a lot

844
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 8: of these guys when they were like really just starting out.

845
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: We booked Shaggy, We booked all of these guys.

846
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 8: So we were we were doing our little yeah shout out.

847
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Speaker 3: To Shaggy, Thank you bro. No Shaggy slander on the show.

848
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 5: He said, now I'm gonna say, Shaggy, reason why you

849
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 5: got your deal?

850
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 6: Right?

851
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 3: Yes exactly, Shaggy is, yes, the success gave me my budget.

852
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 6: Thank you.

853
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: I need to hear this story.

854
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, the success of it wasn't me and Casey

855
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: and JoJo's All My Life. That's what paid for my

856
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: entire things fall apart, uh marketing budget. So our fourth album,

857
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: no no, no, no no, just saying that the promise you

858
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: were on the same labels, I'm sorry. So the profits

859
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: reaped from Casey and JoJo's All My Life and Shaggy's

860
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 3: it wasn't me, Uh that they used all those profits

861
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: to They gave half the common I have to do

862
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: the American So that's that's what we used for our

863
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: promotion that oh all the time, Like no, this is

864
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: not even exaggeration, like literally, like the numbers. Okay, well,

865
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: Shaggy money is good. So here here guys, you know

866
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: trust me like You Got Me was a three day

867
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: video show, Shaggy. If it wasn't, If it wasn't for Shaggy,

868
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 3: You Got Me would have been like a four hour

869
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: video shoot like illegal, like Hollywood shuffle like okay, guys,

870
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 3: let's go, but with Shaggy Money. We had a three

871
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 3: day video shoot Diamond Records.

872
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 8: Diamond Records my daughter when she was a little baby,

873
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 8: and we would we had to take the kid had

874
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 8: be portable and I had her. I pictured her propped

875
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 8: up in the corner like, don't cry while we were

876
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 8: interviewing Shaggy. So yeah, he was like one of the

877
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 8: main We loved interviewing him. He was like a good guy.

878
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 8: So yeah, we were literally doing like we were so

879
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 8: left field with it. But we did video dub play

880
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 8: for a while, and then I got pregnant again and

881
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 8: then we had to actually have a normal jobs, and

882
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 8: so we wound up moving to Florida. And it really

883
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 8: wasn't until I got to Miami that I was like,

884
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 8: let me, I had to switch careers because I, you know,

885
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 8: I couldn't do what I was doing. I had like

886
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 8: a day job in consulting or something and was doing

887
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 8: the music video show with so we were doing on

888
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 8: the side. And when I got to Florida, I had

889
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 8: to get a real job, and I wound up getting

890
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 8: a job writing for the local morning show the Fox affiliate,

891
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 8: and then switched to the NBC affiliate, and so.

892
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: I got into news really because I had to start over.

893
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 8: My Spanish wasn't good enough to stay in consulting, and

894
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 8: I just wanted to do something I love to do

895
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 8: and be fine.

896
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: So I ended up New.

897
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 3: Okay, So the common theme that I'm hearing here is

898
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: that you've had to meet these sort of abrupt left

899
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: and right turned to a whole nother uh, sort of

900
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 3: uncharted territory. What is that like for you?

901
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 6: Are you?

902
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 3: Is there trepidation?

903
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 8: Like?

904
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 3: Okay, we worked really hard to make this video show

905
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 3: work and now I love Brooklyn and I can't live

906
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: Like how hard is the adjustment to doing something totally new,

907
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: even with doing readout?

908
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 4: Like?

909
00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: How hard is that adjusted?

910
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 8: It's not like I grew up with a very adventurous mother,

911
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 8: you know. My mother literally got on a steamship and

912
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 8: left Guyana by herself, you know, and went to London

913
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 8: and lived there and moved here and moved to Iowa.

914
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 8: Like you were just an adventurous family. We used to

915
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 8: get in our station wagon to go and drive all

916
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 8: over the country.

917
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: You drove the Utah, We drove to San Francisco.

918
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 8: We would just get in the car, Like we drove

919
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 8: to Mexico to Wahaka and stayed there for a summer

920
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 8: when she was working on this book project.

921
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: So she was just that bohemian lady.

922
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 8: So I just grew up a risk cacker and in

923
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 8: just being comfortable switching plans. We always had to change

924
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 8: our plans, you know, It's just the way it was.

925
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 8: She was a single mom, used her life and her

926
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 8: plans a lot, and so I just was kind of

927
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 8: raised by somebody like that. So I actually am cool

928
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 8: with it. I love changing. I like I like the change.

929
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 8: I like I like new environments.

930
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's I admire that because you know, that's

931
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of switching back and forth,

932
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 3: you know, with your life. So do you feel as

933
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 3: though you are living out your purpose? Like this is

934
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: what I You didn't know that, this was the the

935
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: destiny that you asked for.

936
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: No doubt that, no doubt.

937
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 8: I feel like all of the crazy adventures that I've

938
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 8: had and the you know, the just all of the

939
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 8: wild kind of changes in my life and prepared me

940
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 8: for this. I feel like because I was raised in

941
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 8: the Midwest, I can kind of understand where that sort

942
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 8: of Republic inside is coming from and analyze them in

943
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 8: a different way. My father was a Reaganite, my mother

944
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 8: was a Carter Liberal, and so.

945
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: They had this whole conversation that was all, what's going on?

946
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 8: And I think that I think absorbing you know, this

947
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 8: interesting information, young, and I think also struggle. You know,

948
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 8: I've you know, I've been real, real, real broke. I've

949
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 8: been you know, not sure what I was going to do,

950
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 8: you know, day to day.

951
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: And I think that helped in this business.

952
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 8: And I think not coming from a journalism background actually

953
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 8: helps me in this moment because a lot of ways,

954
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 8: I am, in so many ways.

955
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: The victim of Trump. What trump Ism is trying to victimize, right.

956
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 8: Immigrant people, women, women who are you know, stuff for ourselves,

957
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 8: all the things that trump Ism is fighting, I'm living

958
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 8: those things. So I think the journalists in the traditional

959
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 8: sense are hemmed in by the way they're trained to

960
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 8: be objective. I'm an opinion drop I started off columns.

961
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm an opinion droope. I can be open.

962
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 6: Thank god.

963
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned what you said earlier, because there's

964
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 3: been a lot of people, especially on social media, that

965
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 3: have been shocked at the alarming percentage of how many

966
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: conservative black folks we have. And hey, I was trying

967
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: to explain that. Yo, even in the eighties, like those

968
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: Christian parents went with, well, who's more closer to my

969
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: Christian values? And you know they were shocked. My mom

970
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I was a shame that. You know,

971
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: we voted for Reagan twice because he was closer to

972
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: a Christian Well, because the thing is is that games well,

973
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 3: I mean most people did, like Mary Mary, what's the

974
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: name for Mary Mary, admitted that we voted for Trump

975
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 3: because that was close. See, the thing is, I feel

976
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: as though, of course, I feel like the GOP is

977
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: being used as the trojan horse of what you know,

978
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: of what these people of, what their agenda is Like

979
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 3: this current GOP is nothing close to what it was

980
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 3: thirty years ago. And I think a lot of people,

981
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: especially under the guise of Christianity, like usually their their

982
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: their kind of their Mason Dixon line. Is the issue

983
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: of abortion, Yeah, abortion, whereas now we see it as

984
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 3: because if you think about it, I'm waiting for the

985
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: day where black Twitter discovers that Commons retrospect for life

986
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: is actually I waiting the day because the thing was

987
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: when we was working on it. When we's working on it,

988
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, like everyone thought like oh so dee, Like, well,

989
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 3: God really cares. And now I asked him like two

990
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: months ago, I'm like, yo, dude, I said, you realize

991
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: that one day someone's going to discover retrospect for life,

992
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: like twenty thirty years later, and you're going to.

993
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 6: Be on the side.

994
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 4: It wasn't necessarily on the right side of the fence.

995
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 4: I'm just yo, dog.

996
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 3: There's again there's a lot of you know, like that line,

997
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: you know, three hundred and twenty five dollars.

998
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: Your soul, see go to college and I want to

999
00:47:59,200 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 4: have I.

1000
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: Got right, But I've seen more, But I've saw more

1001
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: people like yeah, yeah, Like that's when I realized that

1002
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 3: black people were mad conservative.

1003
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 8: Three Zion is kind of like that too, right, It's

1004
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 8: like a subtle kind of pro life you miss. I

1005
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 8: just feel like black black people are tend to be

1006
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 8: pretty conservative socially.

1007
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: And we're close to God. Yeah, that's being close to

1008
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: God is our hope. Like after all the stuff we've

1009
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: gotten through, Like if you tell me that that, like

1010
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: you let that go, then where else do we have?

1011
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: Like that sort of thing? So yeah, but the amount

1012
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 3: of people that whose minds have been blown at why,

1013
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of my idols and heroes, uh,

1014
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: you know, the last thirty years in hip hop are

1015
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 3: sort of showing towards yeah.

1016
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: And ways that I fifty cent though he's back, right,

1017
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: he's back with us?

1018
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: Is that what? Heads?

1019
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: He's such a troll. I can't even he's such a troll, Like, yeah,

1020
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 3: fifty knows the value of controversy and saying whatever.

1021
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

1022
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know where he's at. I mean, who

1023
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: knows who he'll vote for?

1024
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 8: But what What was surprising to me though, just because

1025
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 8: I'm a little older than I and I'm I'm i

1026
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 8: cam up in that public enemy era, and I've been

1027
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 8: surprised of how quiet hip hop has been overall on

1028
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 8: Trump period, Like I expected like war with Trump.

1029
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: And I mean, like Eminem both.

1030
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 8: About Trump than anybody else, you know, And I'm like,

1031
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 8: why is Eminem out here out front?

1032
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: Everybody else is kind of quiet? Like that surprised me.

1033
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: I thought, there's more.

1034
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 4: Why is that? Fellow jobs?

1035
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day, you know,

1036
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 3: you're and we can go back to seventy two, Your

1037
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: Bill Withers, your Curtis Mayfields, you're edwin stars. Like they

1038
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: weren't balling in a penthouse apartment. They weren't, you know,

1039
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 3: and they didn't have much to lose, and hip hop

1040
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 3: became the thing that it was once against. It's mass capitalism.

1041
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: There's stuff to lose. Like if you look now, like

1042
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: some of our most outspoken capitalists in the hip hop

1043
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: game have been very, very silent, you know, kind of

1044
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 3: clutching their pearls.

1045
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think it's interesting because I'm like.

1046
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean a lot of people are silent,

1047
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: and you know, and where they are, like, I know

1048
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 3: where a lot of the one percent hip hop people

1049
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: are hiding out as far as like what island they're

1050
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 3: on or what you know, that sort of thing. And

1051
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: then the other half it's I've gone, man, the amount

1052
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: of back of or bickering I've been dealing with in

1053
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 3: rappers d ms with me just trying to tell them.

1054
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 6: Like both, well, I don't want them. I don't want.

1055
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 3: Them to get canceled, you know what I mean. Like,

1056
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: and there's there's this there's this old mentality that they

1057
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 3: didn't get the memo on that they can't say certain

1058
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 3: things or you know, and it's not me trying to

1059
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: control their opinion. But I'm like, dog, I just don't

1060
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 3: want you, just I don't want you to stop your bag.

1061
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: And there's like ten of you know, and it's it's

1062
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: it's just disheartening to me.

1063
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 6: Man.

1064
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: It's like it's it's like my whole generation might be

1065
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 3: a lie. And I can't I can't come to grips

1066
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 3: with that right now.

1067
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 8: Athletes, I have to say, I'm so proud of Lebron James.

1068
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 4: Yes he's not, but he is not in.

1069
00:51:59,640 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: No.

1070
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 5: I mean he's a part of the hip hop generation.

1071
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 5: I mean for me, he's not a rapper. He's not right,

1072
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 5: I get it. I mean I think, you know, just

1073
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 5: speaking for me, you know, because I can only speak

1074
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 5: for myself, you know, and Frante is way younger person.

1075
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm forty one, so you know.

1076
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 5: So But for me, I mean, when when I saw

1077
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 5: Trump got elected, my thought was, and you know, I

1078
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 5: politics is not really something I've involved myself in, you know,

1079
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 5: I mean I vote, you know, of course, I voted

1080
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 5: in all the elections that I was able to, but

1081
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 5: that was eligible to but politics.

1082
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: Weren't really my thing per se.

1083
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 5: But for me, when Trump got elected, I was just like, man,

1084
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 5: white people got theirself into this ship.

1085
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 3: They need to get.

1086
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 5: Theirself out of, Like like I ain't got damn you

1087
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like.

1088
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: That's not one to carry.

1089
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it's some white people burning people

1090
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: in there is some I don't give a fuck black

1091
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: people in there.

1092
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 4: There's something like that, right it is.

1093
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it is some loss. I get it.

1094
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 3: Fonte is a point because at the end of the day,

1095
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 3: I think we're more managing white people shock because no, no, no,

1096
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it's like one hundred percent.

1097
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 6: If anything, this is.

1098
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: The closest that white people will ever know, like that

1099
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 3: uncertainty of I don't know what's going to happen. And

1100
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 3: it's not exaggeration, Like you know how hard it was

1101
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: hard for white people to believe that, oh, we really

1102
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 3: are getting our ass kicked and all that stuff. That's

1103
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 3: why I never shared that journey story because it's like

1104
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: who would believe me? Like, oh really, quest love, like

1105
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 3: y'all all got pulled over and da da da da

1106
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: da da da da whatever. But it's like, you know,

1107
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 3: this is the closest this is, This is not even

1108
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: this is not even fifty percent. This is I feel

1109
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 3: like for most white America, this is maybe thirty one

1110
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 3: percent of the fear and the stress that we go

1111
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: through on a daily basis. Oh my god, I live

1112
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: life every day, Like you know, I could die any moment,

1113
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: anytime pass a cop car, any time I get on

1114
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: the highway, I could die. I could die. I could die,

1115
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, I just live with

1116
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 3: Is this the.

1117
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 4: Casey, you feel dirty?

1118
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: There's data that backs up everything.

1119
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 4: I'm just asking.

1120
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1121
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: And the thing is is that you know, we've survived

1122
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: Reagan's crack era, like and I don't want to say

1123
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: this sort of like because it's not it's it's it's

1124
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 3: I don't want to be dismissive at people like I've

1125
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 3: I've had at least six people very close to me

1126
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 3: pass away from COVID, you know what I mean. So

1127
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to be dismissive of like this should

1128
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: have been avoided at all costs. But at the end

1129
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 3: of the day, I think this is really about the

1130
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 3: sanity of white America and can they live with it? Like,

1131
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 3: can they live with uncertainty.

1132
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean you think about it. You know,

1133
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: we can go back through it again.

1134
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 8: Right. But Abraham Lincoln who wrote in letters and did

1135
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 8: speeches saying, if you three black people sent him back

1136
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 8: to Africa because they shouldn't be allowed to live with

1137
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 8: civilized white folks.

1138
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: You've got Andrew Jackards, right.

1139
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 8: You've got Andrew and he was on pot slavery, and

1140
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 8: that was our friend. Black people became Republicans on site

1141
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 8: because of him. And he hated black people, just be honest.

1142
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 8: He thought black people were inferior to white people and

1143
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 8: wrote that down. You got Andrew Jackson who said kill

1144
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 8: anybody who was in white marched all the Native Americans

1145
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 8: uh into the trail attempts, don't want to be in camps,

1146
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 8: trailer tears, Kill them all doesn't matter.

1147
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 1: He was just genicidal. You've got Woodrow Wilson, Democrat, top

1148
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: ten according to all the historians. Let almost as.

1149
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 8: Many people die of the so called Spanish.

1150
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: Flu as died in the Civil War. It just Trump

1151
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: lied about it.

1152
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 8: Let soldiers come home home from Europe to World War

1153
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 8: One with it and give it out to all of

1154
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 8: their friends and family. Let people die just like Trump liar,

1155
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 8: vehement racist.

1156
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 4: We'll talk about Thomas Jefferson, Joey tell him.

1157
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: About exactly this.

1158
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 8: He gives lie to the idea that if you have

1159
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 8: black children, you can't be racist.

1160
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson, Right.

1161
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 8: I mean I used to tell my students, you know,

1162
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 8: I used to teach the class at Syracuse Nice to

1163
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 8: say to them, why do you think that almost everybody

1164
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 8: you meet named Washington, Jefferson or Jackson is right?

1165
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 3: Wow?

1166
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 8: Right? Got you know, mister and missus Washington. They may

1167
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 8: have three kids, one dies of consumption. Now you got

1168
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 8: two little Washington kids. That's four Washington. But they got

1169
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 8: three hundred slaves and they own every one of them,

1170
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 8: three hundred slaves. And every time they produce children, that's

1171
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 8: also Washington. So you just multiply ef right, So all

1172
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 8: of the founders completely racist. You know, you go to

1173
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 8: Woodrow Wilson, genocidal racist, screens of clan movie in the

1174
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 8: White House, refuses to let blacks in the civil Service,

1175
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 8: and then he's lauded as a great president. You got

1176
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 8: FDR supposed to be our friend, tried to exclude us.

1177
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 8: You like, give it everybody but the blacks, right, that's

1178
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 8: supposed to be our friend. You got you know, Lyndon

1179
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 8: Johnson on tape Nigra Nigro. We gotta do something with

1180
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 8: the nigra.

1181
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 4: Like.

1182
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 8: He wasn't exactly like super not racist, right, but he

1183
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 8: still did the right thing.

1184
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: But if you listen in his mouth, you're like, wow,

1185
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1186
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 8: Look, even Nixon did busting every but he wasn't exactly

1187
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 8: a fan. So we've dealt like I think black people

1188
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 8: have a certain amount of cynicism even about our supposed

1189
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 8: friends in power, and they only like us for so much,

1190
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 8: and so.

1191
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: We have to get what we can get. And we

1192
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: don't have.

1193
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 8: As high a of a of a bar to say,

1194
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 8: you know, you've got to be perfect, whereas White America

1195
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 8: hasn't really had the sense of insecurity, as you said

1196
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 8: question that we've had. And for the wait, if you're

1197
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 8: in Portland, Oregon, that's not black kids getting there behinds

1198
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 8: kicked by cops when they're out for black lives, that's

1199
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 8: their kids.

1200
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: That's their kids.

1201
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 8: In Seattle getting their behinds beat and getting fire holes,

1202
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 8: that's them and find they're dying. This is in Utah

1203
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 8: and North Dakota and South Dakota.

1204
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: That's them.

1205
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 8: And so I think that sense of instability and insecurity

1206
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,479
Speaker 8: at least for white women with college degrees is moving voter.

1207
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 8: So this is a referendum on how much you know,

1208
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 8: White America's willing to put up with.

1209
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: We know how black men are going to vote, you know,

1210
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: we know two.

1211
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: Thirds we could have it, didn't a new percentage come

1212
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: out about how the number of black men are went

1213
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: up for voting for Trumps.

1214
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 3: Men on this that that was my.

1215
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: I think it's.

1216
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 8: Just I'm just going in and appeals to a certain consulinity,

1217
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 8: and he has.

1218
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: He's actually gone the.

1219
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 3: Hotel Biggers the outline, but that's you know.

1220
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 8: It's probably he'll probably get you know, ten eleven percent,

1221
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 8: but you know ten eleven percent of black men tend

1222
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 8: to vote Republican anyway, So he'll get his ten eleven

1223
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 8: percent of black men, he'll you know, ninety four percent

1224
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 8: of black women, ninety nine percent of black women to

1225
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,479
Speaker 8: vote against him. He'll get he's getting more Hispanics because

1226
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 8: there's just a certain kind of masculinity. Yeah, they'll get some,

1227
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 8: but he's the overwhelming majority of black men are going

1228
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 8: to vote by.

1229
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just thought that was interesting. I was like, okay,

1230
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 4: so why did why did go up?

1231
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: Though?

1232
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 4: Why to go up? Though?

1233
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 3: Why did what go up?

1234
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 5: The black men numbers for drunk drunk because there's a yeah,

1235
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 5: the the kind of toxic masculinity kind of me too blowback.

1236
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's you know, you cheer for the

1237
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 3: black bad guy. This is why we watched Scarface a lot,

1238
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 3: and not from Here to Eternity we watch? Is that

1239
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: the only film? I'm sorry that was an odd example,

1240
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 3: you know, I just in my mind, I was like,

1241
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 3: don't say that film, Just say anything pee Wee's bigg Adventurement.

1242
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 3: Don't but.

1243
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 8: Sixty hip hop lyrics like he he meane a lot

1244
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 8: of you know. I remember interviewing Uncle Luke in twenty

1245
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 8: fifty and he was like, we were all at Trump's

1246
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 8: house party. You know, Trump's in our lyrics.

1247
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 3: Like Trump's on like method Man's record, but a record thing.

1248
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's a different context because I

1249
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 5: don't think it's fair to say there are plenty of

1250
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 5: people I hung out at parties with. I don't think

1251
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 5: the motherfucker should be president, you know what I mean?

1252
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 5: So I think it's a different context of like this

1253
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 5: guy in the eighties, I mean, you know, the eighties nineties.

1254
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: I mean he was basically just he was just like

1255
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 3: a celebrity.

1256
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 5: It was aspirational and it was he was just a

1257
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 5: nigga that finessed. He was basing the nigga that so

1258
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 5: prefaiked legal and was just a finessing everybody. But you

1259
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like that's all the shit was.

1260
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 5: But now you see the finesse. It's like, you respect

1261
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 5: the finesse. Like you see the finesse, it's like, oh man,

1262
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 5: he finessing and doing this and he's selling buildings. It's like,

1263
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 5: oh now he's doing this. Oh he's got a TV show,

1264
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 5: And like, you respect the finesse. But then once it

1265
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 5: gets to the White House, it's like, okay, y'all, then

1266
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 5: took this shit to fall.

1267
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 3: Now it's dangerous.

1268
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 5: Like before it was like a guy we just kind

1269
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,959
Speaker 5: of looked at, you laughed at you laughed at the hair,

1270
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 5: you saw whatever. But now it's like, hold up, dude, y'all,

1271
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 5: don't put this motherfucker in the White House.

1272
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 3: Are you shipping me? Like, nah, come to fuck on,

1273
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1274
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 5: That's the part where nah, bro don't don't do that, y'all,

1275
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 5: don't ran this shit too far.

1276
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: I feel like that's what Joy be thinking every day

1277
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: when she's sitting at that desk.

1278
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: I really, I still can't believe that.

1279
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 8: People, because he did lose the election. I just can't

1280
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 8: believe them. Four hundred people in the electoral calls said yeah,

1281
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 8: let's do.

1282
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: This, let's put this.

1283
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 3: It was that close.

1284
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 6: So okay.

1285
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 5: So that brings me to a question, Joe, I'm curious

1286
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 5: to know your thoughts on So I'm curious to see

1287
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 5: what the post Trump effect will be on politics, because

1288
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 5: you know, on one hand, there's a lot of people

1289
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 5: that are saying, well, Trump got it, So now the

1290
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 5: I guess the kind of cold of personality and the

1291
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 5: celebrity that that door is wide open. So now you

1292
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 5: might see, hell, the rock might try to run some

1293
01:01:59,280 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 5: ship or.

1294
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, you know what I'm saying. But

1295
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, and I want to know your thoughts.

1296
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 5: I kind of think that now this may be a

1297
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 5: tipping point where the American public are looking at this

1298
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 5: ship and they like, look, dude, let the papers pop in,

1299
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 5: the breakers break, you know what I mean, Like, y'all

1300
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 5: motherfuckers like, let the politicians be politicians.

1301
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 3: Just you famous niggas. Just be famous niggas. Don't it.

1302
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,439
Speaker 3: You ain't never tried it, Like we gave you one shot.

1303
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 3: We tried to think out the box. Now rest your niggas.

1304
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 3: Just go sit home.

1305
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 5: We don't care if y'all left right Democrat. No, just

1306
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 5: keep making movies. Stay the funk out of politics because

1307
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:38,959
Speaker 5: y'all fucking shit up.

1308
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 3: There.

1309
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 8: You go.

1310
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 3: Tell that to Puffy, Tell that to Kanye.

1311
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean they figure.

1312
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 8: I think Republicans figured they're one, they're one for two

1313
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 8: because they had Reagan. You know, so I don't know

1314
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 8: that this is over because you gotta remember about.

1315
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,479
Speaker 5: Reagan too, But like even Reagan, it was different because

1316
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 5: Reagan governor, he was a governor at least got it and.

1317
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 3: As an actor, you governor now, right, y'all do that.

1318
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Speaker 4: No, he's not. I'm not saying that. Don't don't't talk

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Speaker 4: about that.

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Speaker 3: You better move who running for now? He's he has

1321
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 3: his yay, now has his sights for being governor of California. First,

1322
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 3: good luck, not good for anyone.

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Speaker 1: Help him. He needs help.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, you can't tell nobody known with five

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Speaker 3: billion dollars in their pocket.

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Speaker 5: Obviously we really got five billion in his pocket.

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Speaker 3: Though, you know, I asked Adidas this all the time.

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Speaker 8: With joy.

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Speaker 1: Is it crazy to ask you?

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Speaker 2: Can?

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Speaker 8: You?

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01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 4: Well? Well, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: That's the first question.

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Speaker 5: So you think do you think do you think celebrities

1335
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 5: are done out of politics?

1336
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: Now?

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01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 8: Well?

1338
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 3: What do you think the post Trump fit will be?

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01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 8: I don't think it's done, because you have to remember,

1340
01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 8: part of what drives Republicans is a real anger that

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Speaker 8: they've lost the culture. And I think they're more angry

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01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 8: about losing the culture than they are about facing the

1343
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 8: political majorities. And they don't ever win majorities. They don't

1344
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 8: care about that. What they hate is that back when

1345
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 8: Reagan was in being a Republican was cool still. You know,

1346
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 8: they could still get invited to the Oscars. What they

1347
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 8: really want is they want you to like them. They

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01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 8: want the culture to be into them. They hate the

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01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 8: fact that they feel isolated from Hollywood. They feel isolated

1350
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 8: from the music world. Not one Sarago artists hate them.

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01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 8: They they covet being around celebrities and being among celebrities.

1352
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 8: We had Robert de Niro on the show and he

1353
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 8: knows that Trump wants desperately for him to show up

1354
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 8: at the White House and like be his friend. He

1355
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 8: hate can't stand him, and most of the really famous

1356
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 8: people can't. And that's why when Kanye popped up, they

1357
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 8: were so eager to grab him and hold and grab

1358
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 8: him and hold on to him because they just want

1359
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 8: the culture and they same thing.

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01:04:58,920 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: They snatched up on him.

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 8: They couldn't wait to tweet him out as a matter,

1362
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 8: but he was apparently wasn't prepared for them to tweet

1363
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 8: him out like that, not that I don't know. He

1364
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 8: didn't think they were going to do him like that,

1365
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 8: but they're so desperate to have the culture. So no,

1366
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 8: I think if anybody halfway famous tries it again, Republicans

1367
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 8: will do it because they're basically a minority party of

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01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 8: Christian white men and their wives, and there's just not

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01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 8: enough of those to ever be a popular political party.

1370
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Speaker 1: And they feel like Mark Cuban is our standard bearer.

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01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 8: Maybe that'll translate over and people will ignore what he's

1372
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 8: saying and just look at who he is.

1373
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: So I think it's not over.

1374
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 5: I could see, yeah, I can see. Maybe I had thoughts.

1375
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 5: I was talking with a friend of mine. Earlier, we

1376
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 5: thought about Tucker Carlson being like a dangerous you know

1377
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 5: what I mean. I mean just I mean, he's he's

1378
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 5: in so many homes, you know what I mean.

1379
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 8: Like well, And it used to be people who are

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01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 8: really rich wouldn't want to be president because it's the

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01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 8: Sallery cut, you know, scorners me five thousand years to

1382
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 8: a million.

1383
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: But Trump has shown that you can make million.

1384
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Speaker 8: Billions president, I mean president, now that you know people

1385
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 8: who have authoritarian you know, you richer while you're president.

1386
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: He's broken all the rules. And then a smart version

1387
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: of Trump and then we're really in Joey.

1388
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm curious because I watched Unless way, way, way too much.

1389
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: And the one conversation I haven't heard people have yet

1390
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 2: is letting Trump out of the White House with the

1391
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: information that he has, what do we do about that?

1392
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: And him monetizing that and doing all kinds of mess

1393
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 2: up things to the country to pay.

1394
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 4: Us back to what we did.

1395
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 8: I don't I don't see Trump as somebody with the

1396
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 8: mental acuity to remember any important things to give them away.

1397
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: I just don't sharp.

1398
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 8: I know, if you'd like to talk about Biden being off,

1399
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 8: but Trump not right up there, you know, up here,

1400
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 8: I'm sure he could remember it.

1401
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm more worried about people like Art.

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01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 4: I was just about to say, Avonka, what about Ivanka don.

1403
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: Jared, Like, yeah, you don't know what they would sell.

1404
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 8: We don't know what's for sale when they you know,

1405
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 8: I've heard about that too, especially for Russia and especially.

1406
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: To the studies and y'all go, I only know.

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01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 6: I don't dang.

1408
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 4: We did exactly to joy what we said. We weren't politics. Yes,

1409
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 4: can I do want to ask you this though?

1410
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned just all the effects of Trump

1411
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 2: and how your career has kind of been, like you know,

1412
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 2: it's a effect of that, and with the readout it's

1413
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 2: so interesting as well, because even with the unfortunate you know,

1414
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 2: exit of Chris Matthew, of Chris Matthews kind of like

1415
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 2: the same thing as the Trump effect.

1416
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 4: And I wanted to know how you feel.

1417
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 2: It's do you feel like a heavy weight because now

1418
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 2: you are when Eiffel, now you are the lone black

1419
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: woman doing the primetime news.

1420
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 3: Yes, can I answer this question? Yes, because you're you're

1421
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 3: going to answer a question that I also want to know,

1422
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 3: is how secure do you feel with the readout and

1423
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 3: how it's going now because I was emotionally attached to

1424
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 3: another black female journalist at this very station. Yes, and

1425
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 3: poof thin air. And that's that's kind of my thing

1426
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 3: when when a new show comes and I like, I

1427
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 3: don't want to get emotionally attached because then there's no security.

1428
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 3: I know, there's no such thing as job security. But

1429
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 3: but because the the the resounding uh praise for the show,

1430
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 3: I mean, has has been so good, do you feel

1431
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 3: that you're in at least a good place with the show.

1432
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:52,759
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely.

1433
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 8: I mean, look the I'm friends with both of those

1434
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 8: two ladies who are talking about and you know, I

1435
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 8: mean the you know, when I took over the weekend show,

1436
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 8: you know, I actually I was here talking to Melissa

1437
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 8: because I.

1438
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: Didn't want her to leave, you know, I did, and

1439
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: I depended on her show. I was like, I really

1440
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: really missed her and I still miss her voice a.

1441
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 8: Tip and.

1442
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 4: Her name.

1443
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I I.

1444
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 8: Me too, me too with me and like tammeron Hall

1445
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 8: is just blown all the way up and I'm so

1446
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 8: proud of her and I watched her.

1447
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,560
Speaker 1: It's funny. I always already in Marylyn. Her show is

1448
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: on at one o'clock, so I already know every everything

1449
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: that happened.

1450
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 8: When it comes off, like d it, I can't look

1451
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 8: at Twitter, but I mean so, I mean the good

1452
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 8: thing about this, there's always another light. And I had

1453
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 8: my show canceled my daytime, my daytime show canceled, and

1454
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 8: felt what that felt like. And so there's nothing that

1455
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 8: can really hurt me now, you know, getting canceled once

1456
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 8: it's happened to you back in that prospect. I'm a

1457
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 8: good writer, I'm a smart person. I'm innovative.

1458
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 6: You know.

1459
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: If the show end tomorrow, okay, well thank you.

1460
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 3: Uh you know, we appreciate you coming on the show

1461
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 3: and giving us your time. I know that you know

1462
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 3: your hour plus is precious time.

1463
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 2: And oh promote your commerce, your promis series, so please,

1464
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: please please, And I.

1465
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 8: Want to just to add to my last answer to

1466
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 8: say that I you know, I'm not saying I don't

1467
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 8: absolutely love doing the show, which I do. I just

1468
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 8: want to make that clear because it's fun, Like we

1469
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 8: managed to have fun, and so I just want to

1470
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 8: big up we managed to like make that news fun,

1471
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 8: you know.

1472
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 1: So I love doing the show. I love doing my

1473
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: weekend go back. Then I missed them as well, So

1474
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: it's fun. This is I'm lucky.

1475
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 8: I'm blessed. But my mom never made a kind of

1476
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 8: money that I'm making. She never got the chance. You know,

1477
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 8: I'm proud. I think she proud because she was a

1478
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 8: new So I'm just happy to be out there making

1479
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 8: my mother proud.

1480
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: You know, what do you what are you doing?

1481
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 3: Decompressed?

1482
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 6: Joy?

1483
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 8: Like?

1484
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 3: What do you watch? I don't want this just to

1485
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 3: be the doom and gloom? What do you do to relax?

1486
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 8: You know?

1487
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 3: Watching?

1488
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 8: I love watching side By I know y'all started off

1489
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 8: talking about love Craft country.

1490
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: I love side By stuff. I love anything with zombies

1491
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: in it. No, I was like, all the walking is

1492
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: all the walking, all of that. I just love like

1493
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: creature features, like, you know, give me a hunt. I

1494
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: just finished watching The Haunting a black House, good called Dark,

1495
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: which is like a crazy like time travel crazy.

1496
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 3: Like.

1497
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: I just love watching TV. I grew I'm Generation next,

1498
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: so I grew up watching the TV. So I love

1499
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: that's what I did for Did you watch?

1500
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 3: Have you watched?

1501
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 5: Well, there's two competing Coke documentaries. There's The Vow on

1502
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 5: HBO and then.

1503
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 3: You want to go in, let's go in. Let's okay, okay,

1504
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 3: starts the val.

1505
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 5: No, I don't watch the Vow. So the Vow is

1506
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 5: like series. It's a nine part series. First off, just

1507
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 5: right there a nine part documentary series like Nigga.

1508
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 3: That's like a forty page suicide note.

1509
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 5: You really don't want to do that, so right, So

1510
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 5: like it's the ship is nine fucking parts, right, and

1511
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 5: it's about this coat. It is this this white dude

1512
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 5: there's like running this like fu Heithaniery running who just

1513
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 5: got sentenced to one hundred and twenty years.

1514
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 3: By the way, like yesterday, he would be long gone.

1515
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 3: Then asked, oh no, it's real.

1516
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 4: This ain't.

1517
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 5: This ain't fictionalized, that nigga sitting down for one hundred

1518
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 5: twenty of them things.

1519
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 3: So they just you know, he got it.

1520
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 5: The vow nine parts and but and it's directed by

1521
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 5: two of the directors that used to be in the Coat,

1522
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 5: or they went to some of them, and then there

1523
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 5: got all this footage of people and it's just basically

1524
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 5: about how this nigga was a scammer. He had like

1525
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 5: a a fucking pyramid scheme he was running and then

1526
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 5: he had this other thing on the side out of

1527
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 5: the pyramid scheme that it was a sex coat and

1528
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 5: he was branding women and you know, like all this shit.

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01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 5: The vowel is nine parts, is super long, and don't

1530
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 5: watch it. No, don't watch this ship its bull shits.

1531
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: Whats to watch?

1532
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 5: The other one that the competing one is seduced. Now seduced.

1533
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 5: This's on stars and seduce. Come on, listen, hold on, okay,

1534
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 5: now the difference seduced. It's only four parts and they

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Speaker 5: come out the gate. The first two minutes it's all smoke, baby. Yeah,

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01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 5: they get right to it. They get into all like

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01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 5: all the all his funck ship and you know, just

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01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 5: how basically hit and and they also in h in Seduced.

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01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 5: They have a psychologist on it that breaks down like

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01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 5: all the techniques he was using and like techniques that

1541
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 5: colts will use and like everything. So and and it's

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01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 5: based by the girls. So the girl that the that

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01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 5: seduced is based on uh India, well, Alison mac She

1544
01:13:58,520 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 5: was the one that was helping to run the car.

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01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,839
Speaker 5: But the girl that like went under and they couldn't

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01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 5: get her out. It was the Oxenburger, was it? Christine India? India, India,

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01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 5: So India Oxenburg. Her mom is Christine Oxenburg, who's this

1548
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 5: white lady used to be on Dynasty back in the day.

1549
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 5: And her grandma, yeah grandma, Hey, so Christine Notusenberg rich

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01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 5: white dynasty actions lady. And then the the grandma is

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01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 5: like a real queen. She was like the queen of

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01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 5: some country or something like, yeah.

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01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 3: The duchess of some ship and so.

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01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 8: And so.

1555
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 6: Then they get off his chest.

1556
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 5: You got to see you go ahead, and so then

1557
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 5: like they get into how the Bronfman sisters were like

1558
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 5: bank rolling this nigga, like he pulled.

1559
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 3: The funded my records. Yeah, them was about to go

1560
01:14:54,200 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 3: to jail and Jojo and Shaggy I'm good for right now.

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 5: It wasn't me, Claire and the other one I can't

1562
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 5: remember Claire and the other sister.

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01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, they about to go to jail.

1564
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 5: But but yeah, so it's if you're in just for

1565
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 5: some good kind of trash, like white people foolishness, just to.

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01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 3: Take the load off your chance jewelry, I.

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01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 11: Recommend seduced you relaxing some white people foolishness. Fucking Okay,

1568
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 11: Well there you go. There's your white people foolish and

1569
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 11: stuff Filo the day.

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01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: After election day from Diana. So every time they would say, oh, wait,

1571
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 1: where's your accent from where you're from? And she would

1572
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: say Guyana.

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01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 8: They said, oh, are you from Jonestown and she would

1574
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 8: have to say Georgetown, georgetownwn.

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01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: Wow, cold stuff. I'll watch it.

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01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 5: Oh and I also watched it was good. If you'll

1577
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 5: check the forty year old version. That's really yeah.

1578
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 4: That is a is a great black wonderfulness right there

1579
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 4: on Netflix.

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01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so now we gave you something to decompress.

1581
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 3: Thank you, Joey, We thank you for coming on our show.

1582
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 3: We appreciate it. Joy read everybody.

1583
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 4: Check it out NBC.

1584
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 8: The six part podcast is actually going to be ending

1585
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,600
Speaker 8: right when this is coming out, when this episode is

1586
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 8: coming out of this show of this uh plus love show.

1587
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 8: And it is a six part series on the making

1588
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 8: of Kamala Harris. It's called Kamala Harris next in Line,

1589
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 8: so that is downloadable where you get the podcast. And

1590
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 8: then my other podcast is called What to Read and

1591
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 8: Me interviewing book authors hopefully soon plus love too. And

1592
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 8: so I got two podcasts. I'll have a third one

1593
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 8: that's coming out next year, we're coming back to call.

1594
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 8: We'll read this, read that, which is me and Jackie

1595
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 8: Ree just being silly. That's just being still out.

1596
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 3: You should be on that one. I love that.

1597
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 4: I just want you to know.

1598
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,640
Speaker 2: Black America just called and wanted me to tell you

1599
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,759
Speaker 2: and say thank you, and we got your back forever.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks, Thank you America.

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01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 3: No, okay, well on behalf of fon Tikeolo, Sugar Steve,

1602
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 3: unpaid Bill lie here.

1603
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 6: Uh, this is Quest Love Joy.

1604
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. We will see you on the

1605
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 3: next go round of Quest Love Supreme.

1606
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 6: Thank you. Hey, this is Sugar Steve.

1607
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,519
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1610
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,640
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