1 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Good Stuff. 2 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 2: I'm Jacob Shick and I'm joined by my co host 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: and wife, Ashley Shick. 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 3: Jake is a third generation combat Marine and I'm a 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 3: gold Star granddaughter. We work together to serve military veterans, 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 3: first responders, frontline healthcare workers, and their families with mental 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: and emotional wellness through traditional and non traditional therapy. 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 4: At One Tribe Foundation, we. 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: Believe everyone has a story to tell, not only about 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: the peaks, but also the valleys they've been through to 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: get them to where they are today. 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: Each week, we invite a guest to tell us their story, 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 3: to share with us the lessons they've learned that shaped 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 3: who they are and what they're doing to pay it 15 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 3: forward and give back. 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 2: Our mission with this show is to dig deep into 17 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: our guest journey so that we can celebrate the hope 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: and inspiration their story has to offer. 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 4: We're thrilled you're joining us again. 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Good Stuff. 21 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: We're so excited for today's show because our guest is 22 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 3: Roy Tuscany. He was a professional skier and is the 23 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: founder of the High Fives Foundation, which provides hope and 24 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 3: resources for athletes with life altering injuries. From all walks 25 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: of life. He's such an inspiration to us on so 26 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 3: many levels. He's a dear friend of ours and we 27 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 3: are excited to bring our conversation with him to you today. 28 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: From a skiing accident that left him paralyzed to excessive 29 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: drinking and alcoholism, like so many of us at some 30 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: point in our lives, he found himself in a very 31 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: dark place, and because of his strength to press on 32 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: and through many lessons learned, he's now on a path 33 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: to live life to the fullest while being completely present. Now, 34 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 2: please keep in mind that Roy is a true friend. 35 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 2: In this conversation, we drop more than one F bomb, 36 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: so if that is something you're sensitive to, please keep 37 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 2: your ear muffs handy. But I promise you this story 38 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: will touch your soul. 39 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 3: We are so excited today to have our good friend. 40 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: He's the founder of High Fives Foundation, a father, a husband, 41 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: and just a really great dude. Roy Tuscany, thank you 42 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: so much for joining us here on the Good Stuff. 43 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 5: Oh good day to you. 44 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 6: What a great name for a podcast too, And well, 45 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 6: we'll make sure we use the word good a lot today, 46 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 6: more than the words we sometimes find in our fun talks. 47 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely Roy. I mean we go way back, like Cadillac 48 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: seats and you know, man, my brother from another mother. 49 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 3: We're so excited to share your story with our audience, 50 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: which really starts in your childhood. 51 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 4: You grew up in Vermont. 52 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 5: I did. 53 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 6: I grew up in Vermont. Every moment I was trying 54 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 6: to be outside, and outdoors was everything. And we got 55 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 6: a lot of snow. I remember as a kid, we 56 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 6: got way more snow than we got now. I think 57 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 6: it was also so shorter. But I remember, like in 58 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 6: third grade, my mom like I had nothing to do 59 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 6: in the winter. I was terrible at basketball. I was 60 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 6: about forty two pounds in third grade. And my mom's like, 61 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 6: all right, you need to pick a sport, and you 62 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 6: can pick this afternoon ski program or you can play hockey. 63 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 6: And I remember that moment my mom said hockey, like 64 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 6: I got this envision of like three dudes that in 65 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 6: third grade were like the size of Jake, and I 66 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 6: was like the math and I just remember just like 67 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 6: the word like smear. That's all I could think about 68 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 6: was smear, and I thought that's how hockey was gonna 69 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 6: go for me. I mean, I'm a huge hockey fan now, 70 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 6: like let's go Bruins and the VM Catamounts where I 71 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 6: went to college. I'm a huge follower of their hockey program. 72 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 6: But God, hockey is not for me. 73 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: So you clearly chose skiing. And what a great thing 74 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: that you did. Tell us about that. 75 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 6: I remember going the first night and you know, third 76 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 6: grader goes up there. All my buddies had skied, and 77 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 6: I was like, oh, I'll just hang out with my friends, 78 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 6: Like skiing can't be that hard, it can't be that challenging. 79 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 6: I'd ice skated, I'd played basketball and baseball. I mean, 80 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 6: what are we talking about here? And I got to 81 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 6: the top of the lift and my buddies were like, 82 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 6: all right, let's go. And I was like in my 83 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 6: like bamby legs, like knees are buckling in all that. 84 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 6: And the next thing I know, I look up and 85 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 6: they're gone, and you know, I'm like, all right. 86 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 5: Cool, Like what should I do? 87 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 6: And you know, being intuitive, I saw a sign that 88 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 6: said practice slope. 89 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 5: I was like, oh, let's go practice. Like sounds good. 90 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 5: Alan Iverson doesn't believe in it, but like I do. 91 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 6: And you know, got to the top of the practice 92 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 6: slope and realized that it was the practice slope for 93 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 6: ski racing, incredibly steep. 94 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: You know. 95 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 6: I barely got there, and I remember this vividly. And 96 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 6: it's night skiing too, so it's dark, and it's like 97 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 6: so you go from like light to dark to light 98 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 6: to dark. So now sitting on top of this hill 99 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 6: looking and I'm like, all right, I gotta make it 100 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 6: down to the base. Like if I get there, I'm home, 101 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 6: and like maybe skiing isn't for me. And I just 102 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 6: pointed it, and you know, I was like, all right, 103 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 6: I'll figure out how to stop. And I didn't, and 104 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 6: I just went straight and the bamby legs like went away. 105 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 5: I like got into this like structural standset. 106 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 6: Unfortunately, I think I froze and I couldn't get out 107 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 6: of I took that positioning all the way into the 108 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 6: base lodge. And I hit that base lodge at like 109 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 6: forty miles how or like a linebacker, and like took 110 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 6: it sideways and like and then dropped to the ground 111 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 6: and like I'm not even kidding, like cartoonish like snow 112 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 6: from the roof like came. 113 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 5: And fell on me. 114 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 6: And I remember looking up and my buddy's dad's there 115 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 6: and he like dust me off, and he's like, hey, 116 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 6: you're coming with me, and he's like, I'm gonna make 117 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 6: sure you understand how to ski, and he like dragged 118 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 6: me over to the beginner area. And for the next 119 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 6: like four weeks, I freaking pizza and French fried until 120 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 6: I like escape, and then from there I just just 121 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 6: started skiing and loving it. But oh my gosh, that 122 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 6: that first introduction was definitely. 123 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: Rough baptism by fire. Truly, that is amazing. 124 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: You know, I could totally envision young. 125 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: Roy and then down the mountain and then like, Okay, 126 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: well this might hurt a little. 127 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 4: Bit, but this is also going to be my life's past, 128 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: you know what. 129 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 2: And that's why I told the boys Roy all the time. 130 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: And you see him climbing on stuff or doing dumb stuff. 131 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: You know, you're dad, and it's like, hey, trust me 132 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: when I tell you that at some point, gravity will 133 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: inevitably win. 134 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 6: Oh my god, I can't wait to you know, try 135 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 6: to explain gravity to Gunner. The alliteration alone is nice, 136 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 6: gravity Gunner. But I'll tell you what, Like I have 137 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 6: tried so hard for so many years to defy gravity, 138 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 6: and I will tell you what. 139 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 5: It always wins gravity. 140 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 6: No matter what you do, it always wins, and like 141 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 6: it has a decision of how hard it wants you 142 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 6: to remember how powerful it is. It's it's like mother Ocean, 143 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 6: like when you go out in the waves and like 144 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 6: all of a sudden you're like, oh, this isn't so bad, 145 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 6: and then like you're like, I love this, and then 146 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 6: out of nowhere's rogue wave comes in. Oh gosh, what 147 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 6: just you have like sand coming out of every orifice. 148 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: Really exactly clearly that day a love was born for skiing. 149 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it hit me literally like a hammer, Yeah, 150 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 5: it really did. 151 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 6: But I think it was really like that learning process 152 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 6: and like I think, like I remember like how fast 153 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 6: it came once they gave me a couple techniques of 154 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 6: little things to practice understand, and then from there, I mean, 155 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 6: that's all I did. I mean legitimately, Like in high school, 156 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 6: I didn't go to parties because I wanted to go 157 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 6: skiing on all the days. In college, like my schedules, 158 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 6: I had classes on Tuesday Thursdays. I'd leave campus on 159 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 6: Thursdays and go ski everywhere. 160 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 5: From you know, Friday to Monday. 161 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 6: And it was just like it was a vehicle to 162 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 6: get me to a place that I wanted to go, 163 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 6: and then ultimately, you know, chose where I went to 164 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 6: college in Vermont and then immediately graduating college, moved out 165 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 6: west to coach skiing at you know, this pristine mountain 166 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 6: in an academy. And I'm not kidding you, Like I 167 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 6: used to get to like up the line on the 168 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 6: interstate being like, oh, I got to get to coach 169 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 6: skiing today, Like oh, that's an important job. I'm like yeah, totally, 170 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 6: And like I would cut the line, get to the 171 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 6: mountain at like seven in the morning, and then like 172 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 6: get to ride the lift and like ski untracked you know, 173 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 6: perfect powder by myself for like an hour and a half. 174 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 6: And like that's what that all was, Like, this whole 175 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 6: journey of what it was all worth was. 176 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 5: Like no matter where I am at life, like I. 177 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 6: Always remember like those moments of absolute Christine and it 178 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 6: took so long to get in. That's like that's like 179 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 6: a thing for life. Like you're not going to freaking 180 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 6: find happiness tomorrow, Like you got to work towards this shit, 181 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 6: and like you're not also going to find you know, 182 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 6: feeling emotions until you realize like are you feeling emotions 183 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 6: or you're just like hopeless in life, Like there's so 184 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 6: many things, but skiing, you know, skiing's given me and 185 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 6: taken away everything. 186 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 5: You know. It's like it's that weird fricking thing. 187 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 6: I mean, it's very similar with you, Jake, Like you know, 188 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 6: the military, it is everything, it's your family. But at 189 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 6: the same time it took everything, it also gave you everything. 190 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 6: When you think about that, like do you celebrate it? 191 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 5: Is it truly that love. 192 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 6: Hate relationship like that you can actually be like, I 193 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 6: know what love hate relationship? 194 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 5: It is here. 195 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: It is well absolutely, and your mother clearly steered you 196 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: correctly in giving you a choice. You have to have 197 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 3: something to apply yourself to that young roy and you 198 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: chose this path. Talk about growing up in that household, 199 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: I think. 200 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 6: Like truthfully, skiing was like the best thing that ever 201 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 6: happened for my household. My parents got like a bit 202 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 6: of their freedom back. I mean, the mountain was my babysitter. 203 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 6: They would drop us off, you know in the morning, 204 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 6: myself when I meet up with my other buddies, and 205 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 6: then they knew it time to pick me up. And 206 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 6: it was like really simple, you know, like here's your 207 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 6: money to run out, like you run out. 208 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 5: I'll be here at this time. 209 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 6: And it was before cell phones too, so it was 210 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 6: very much like we'll see you at five o'clock right here, 211 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 6: and it meant like show up here at five o'clock. 212 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 6: And you know, looking back on it, and now, just 213 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 6: like the little bit that I'm doing now and knowing 214 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 6: it's gonna ramp up is gunner gets more involved in things. 215 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 6: But gosh, my parents made a sacrifice, And like, you 216 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 6: don't realize all the sacrifices you do until you become 217 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 6: a parent, and then you really realize how much of 218 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 6: a little selfish, pricky. 219 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 5: Person, right right, Why didn't you drop me at nine? 220 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 4: Why other things to do like try to put food 221 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 4: on the table. 222 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, our parents really do sacrifice. And I 223 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: tell you, bro with our boys them being in sports 224 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: and having to get. 225 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,359 Speaker 1: All the equipment, you're able to really. 226 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: Empathize and sympathize with what your parents go through as. 227 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 4: A parent so much. 228 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, So tell me what kind of student 229 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: were you growing up? 230 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 5: Oh? 231 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 6: Man? I think, like you know, I'm obviously like dealing 232 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 6: with it now and like I'll say it now, like 233 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 6: therapy is the best shit in the world. Like, if 234 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 6: you don't go to therapy, like then like I hope 235 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 6: you have an outlet that allows you to find your answers. 236 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 6: It's so funny to look back at how much therapy 237 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 6: is figuring out the points that were beneficial and then 238 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 6: thinking out the points that unfortunately have caused some issues 239 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 6: within who you are now, but recognizing them. But you know, 240 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 6: as a student, like fuck, my dad did not let 241 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 6: me have a chance at failing. He ensured in a 242 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 6: very militaristic way that my homework was done that before 243 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 6: a test. I like literally in high school before Like 244 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 6: my dad knew when I had tests, I think more 245 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 6: than I did. 246 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 5: I don't know how, but like. 247 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 6: I had to know the answers the night before before 248 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 6: going even into the test, and like that created like, unfortunately, 249 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 6: this ideal of perfectionism. It also created, you know, the 250 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 6: idea that I should get everything right. 251 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 5: So there's two things. 252 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 6: That I have to unfortunately unwind and figure out where 253 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 6: are the boundaries to put those. But then it also 254 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 6: gave me the ability to be everything I do. I'm 255 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 6: that I'm not going to half ass anything, you know. 256 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: It's just about the same. 257 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: It's like a part of that is your work ethic 258 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: is second to none. You were one of the hardest 259 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: working human beings I know, like you grind to the degree, 260 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: and I think that's the caveat to the everything else 261 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 2: you just said. You know, and just like you said earlier, 262 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 2: you alluded to it, we got to take the good 263 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: with the bad. 264 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: And I love that you said therapy. Yeah. 265 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: I mean, anyone who doesn't have a healthy outlet find one. 266 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: It's such a necessity. 267 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: It unlocks so many doors and it shed so much 268 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: light on why we are who we are. 269 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 6: But you just said the most important word there is healthy. 270 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 6: What's healthy? Let's define that is healthy? Like how many 271 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 6: bars you can visit in a day, and how many 272 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 6: relationships you can create with bartenders, and how many people 273 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 6: like when you walk into it, Like you think in 274 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 6: the moment that when you walk into a place and 275 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 6: someone puts a shot in a beer down because they 276 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 6: just know that's why you're there and that's who you are. 277 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 5: Is that the identity you want? 278 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: I would hope not. And that's not love, by the way, 279 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: that's called capitalism. They're not putting the beer and shot 280 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 2: down because they're like, I genuinely love this human being, 281 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: and you and I both know because we're going to 282 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: get into it how that goes. 283 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: And I had well more than one watering hole that knews. 284 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. 285 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 4: So where did that start for you? Roy? 286 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: Where did your discovery of alcohol begin? 287 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 6: I think like it's actually from again that strict household. 288 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 5: You just brought that up. 289 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 6: It's like I think my parents instead of like talking 290 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 6: about their downfalls because now like looking at it, I 291 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 6: think my dad got into trouble a lot as a 292 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 6: young kid and drinking and he's never really talked about it. 293 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 6: My mom like now looking back as like yeah, my 294 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 6: mom was the life of the party, but now thinking 295 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 6: about it, like holy shit, did my mom drink a lot? 296 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 6: And like what I thought was healthy, Like my mom 297 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 6: loved jyd and Tonics. I as she got older, you know, 298 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 6: would recognize that like like some weeks there'd be like 299 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 6: three empty Hendrix. 300 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 5: Bottles out at the house, you know, just. 301 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 6: From her drinking at night. At first, you're like, oh, 302 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 6: that's just how it is. And then later in your life, 303 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 6: wait a second, that's developing how I view it. And 304 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 6: then you know, later when she got cancer, and she 305 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 6: was drinking one of those night who gives a shake, 306 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 6: do whatever the. 307 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 5: Hell you want. 308 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 6: I don't care, Like party on, party the hell on. 309 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 6: If that's what you want, that's your outlet, I don't care. 310 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 6: You know, now looking back on it, it's like, holy crap. 311 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 6: My parents never talked to me about it. And you know, 312 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 6: we won this state championship for running like we were 313 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 6: this underdog kind of like Disney movie. Like literally, we 314 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 6: had this awesome coach who's still like one of my 315 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 6: biggest mentors and randomly shows up in my life at 316 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 6: the most mint like literally almost still like a Disney movie. 317 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 6: Like it's not like we had this awesome training program. 318 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 6: We were underfunded. We just ran every day, and we 319 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 6: ran with this like approach that wasn't like running, like 320 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 6: we would do mud runs where you'd like run through 321 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 6: the mud and just get fricking destroyed and wrestle. We'd 322 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 6: run through these old dead forests and knock down trees. 323 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 6: Like he added fun into running, but you had to 324 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 6: run really far to get to the fun. 325 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 5: And then once you had fun, then you had to 326 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 5: run back. 327 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 6: And it was like it was this pride thing he 328 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 6: instilled all this stuff, so Whin the state championship, we 329 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 6: go to New England's highest ranked team in New England's 330 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 6: we end up nationally ranked as the highest public dranked 331 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 6: high school in America. Cross country running went from nothing 332 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 6: to like like this blip on the map. So we'd 333 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 6: go and celebrate this huge party. Like first time ever drinking. 334 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 6: I drink a six pack and I didn't know I 335 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 6: drank a six pack in literally twelve minutes. I thought 336 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 6: it was like soda and I was like, oh, go go, go, 337 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 6: go go, and then all of. 338 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 5: A sudden, like just destroyed, and I was like, I 339 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 5: need food. I need food. 340 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 6: So we take my car, my buddy drives to sober Unfortunately, 341 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 6: we have a missing light in the car. 342 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 5: You know, we get pulled over. 343 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 6: After we went to the store and I got like 344 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 6: six orders of hal of Panio poppers. And let me 345 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 6: tell you something, hal Of Paniel popper is a six 346 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 6: pack of hard apple cider and a cop are a 347 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 6: bad mix. And I puked all over this cop. I 348 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 6: ended up like hugging the cop and all this embarrassing shit. 349 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 6: You know, it became a laughing stock of the school. 350 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 6: That was my introduction to drinking. So that's introduction one. 351 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 6: Don't drink. I'm like, drinking is not for me. 352 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 4: How did it wind up? After you hug the cop? 353 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 5: So at the cops mom because I'm from a small town. 354 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 6: The CoP's mom was the high school librarian, and like 355 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 6: we were the cross country team was very like nordurized 356 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 6: at the time, you know, like we're very recognized and 357 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 6: like scene. And he just dropped me off in my parents' 358 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 6: house and like, you know, told me not to have 359 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 6: it happen again, you know, and on his shoes. Yeah, 360 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 6: I had more puke on me though. I told him 361 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 6: I loved him too, you know, it's awesome. 362 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 5: Let me tell you. 363 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, So then what happened? 364 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 6: So then, don't drink, win some more state championships, graduate 365 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 6: high school, still don't drink. 366 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 5: Go to college. First weekend at college, let's start drinking again. 367 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 5: Everyone's doing it. Let's go for it. Go to this party. 368 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 6: So first we can randomly meet the head of the 369 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 6: unh you know, row team, and he's like, you want 370 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 6: to take a shot, and I was like again, you know. 371 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 6: Then we start going shot for shot and this dude's 372 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 6: like four foot eleven and I'm like five foot eleven. 373 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 6: I'm like, I got you buy a foot Like, what 374 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 6: is this like stupidity? So anyways, I get drunk again. 375 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 6: I go out back once again to puke. So now 376 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 6: you know, two times drinking puking, so obviously this is 377 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 6: a good score. Consistent puke. This time, someone's like, you're 378 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 6: coming with me? I turn around and push the person. 379 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 5: It's a cop. 380 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 6: I get thrown on the ground, I get hog tied, 381 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 6: and I get brought to what was supposed to be 382 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 6: the detox on campus, but it was, folks, it's opening weekend. 383 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 6: So I had to go to the Dover State Prison 384 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 6: and I got put in a prison cell with eighteen 385 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 6: other individuals that were like wild and crazy. They took 386 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 6: my shoelaces, my belt. I had to sit in there 387 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 6: for like thirty eight hours until I blew a zero. 388 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: And apparently that coup had no connection to your school librarian. 389 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, it'd only been on campus for like a day. 390 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 6: So had it met the librarian at UNH Yeah? Yeah, 391 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 6: and me and drinking, Me and drinking went really well 392 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 6: right out of the gate. But I think it really 393 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 6: came from like a place of my parents, not you know, 394 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 6: introducing it to me in a safe manner and me 395 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 6: always thinking it was forbidden, and then given the keys, 396 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 6: and I was like, it'd be like, you know, giving 397 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 6: me the keys to a trophy truck, Like let's go 398 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 6: see how fast we can go across the woods. 399 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 5: Like I've seen it in videos. I can do it too. 400 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 3: I definitely identify with that. Jake and I had very 401 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 3: different upbringings when it comes to that. But I grew 402 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 3: up in a very strict household where alcohol was just 403 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: not discussed, like we didn't talk about it. My parents 404 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 3: didn't drink that. I so then you know, same thing 405 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: when you get to college it's like, oh I actually 406 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: like the taste of beer. 407 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: Huh. 408 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 2: Definitely different upbringings. I think the thing that Roy, you 409 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: and I have in common is it's hereditary. You know, 410 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: it's the like, oh, well, yeah, this is a gnarly 411 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 2: experience in a bad way. Yet it could be a 412 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: crutch and a numbing mechanism to help me just not fill. 413 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 2: And then I go out of my way to try 414 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: and fill anything, and then all of a sudden I 415 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: become this walking, eating, breathing contradiction. And then you look 416 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 2: back on it and growing up and you're like, man, 417 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: but everybody it just was the norm, Like it was 418 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: just what people did. 419 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: You know, You party. 420 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: All night Saturday night and show up church Sunday morning, 421 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: your Sunday best and everything's like all rainbows, roses and lollipops. 422 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 5: Like yate was opened. 423 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, everything's great. Nothing to see here, like we're perfect. Yeah, 424 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: I'd definitely relate. And you know, you and I, you 425 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: and I have lived it, that's for sure, together in 426 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: our in our own alcoholism and our own just embracing 427 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: our crutches. 428 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 6: You know, a couple of these come to mind. I mean, 429 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 6: the most hungover I've ever been is when was that 430 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 6: was with you? Actually it was in your old house 431 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 6: in the theater. We watched whatever that movie is with 432 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 6: Kevin Hart and Will Ferrell Get Hard and Get Hard 433 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 6: Too and. 434 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 5: Whatever it's called. 435 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 6: I think we like. I think it took us nine 436 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 6: hours to drink a gatorade. Chris the night before our 437 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 6: buddy face palmed someone we were supposed to fill. I 438 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 6: remember that didn't do that. I ghost rode a car 439 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 6: that night that I stole from someone. I mean, these 440 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 6: are yeah of a car that I stole from someone 441 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 6: that night that we met at the bar. 442 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 5: I mean, these are just the stories. 443 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: Holy shit. 444 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 5: Yeah remember the face bombing everything? 445 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: I remember you did you? You took a car too? Yeah? 446 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: I can't. And how are we not in prison or dead? 447 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 5: I don't know, I really don't. 448 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 6: But you know, he brought up something in that last 449 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 6: part that is so incredible. And it's been a relative 450 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 6: so hard in my life. The last week, one of 451 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 6: my closest bodies guy started with high fives. 452 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 5: He took his life last Monday. 453 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's bro I saw that. 454 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 5: It's been a really hard one. I actually called my sponsor. 455 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 6: I've got an amazing sponsor, sober twenty eight years and 456 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 6: I called him and I said, man, I just what 457 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 6: is the outlet right now? And he said, well, I 458 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 6: want you to think about something. I said, all right, 459 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 6: hit me. He said, when you were drinking, You're outlet 460 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 6: was drinking and all you could result out of drinking 461 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 6: was being hopeless. You can't in that moment find an emotion. 462 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 6: Yeah you could be hopeless and sad, you could be 463 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 6: hopeless and happy, but the problem is hopeless is what 464 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 6: you always led with in regardles of what the feeling was. 465 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 6: It was just you expressing the feeling I am hopeless 466 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 6: and sad. Okay, now you're sad man, And I said, 467 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 6: I'm fucking gutted. And he's like, all right, now, let's 468 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 6: try a word combination. Let's try sad and gut it. 469 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 6: And I was like yeah, and he's like, you know 470 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 6: what the difference is. I was like, what he goes? 471 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 6: You feel it, don't you? And I was like, it hurts, 472 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 6: and you're not just like going and being like, man, 473 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 6: I'm hopeless and sad and drinking away. I'm sad and 474 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 6: gutted and I'm sitting in. 475 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 5: It and I'll take this. 476 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 6: Over the idea of leading with being hopeless, and that 477 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 6: to me has like been the most resonating thing that 478 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 6: has come out of like sobriety in the last six years, 479 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 6: is like this idea that like, you don't lead with 480 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 6: hopeless anymore because you can lead with hopeless and happy, 481 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 6: but you're still leading with fucking hopeless drinking a beer. 482 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 5: I'm so fucking happy right now. 483 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: Now you're not. 484 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 6: You're being hopeless in the moment and you're telling yourself 485 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 6: that you're being happy. You unfortunately do not have the 486 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 6: ability to create the separation and it also comes with 487 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 6: who you and I are. We have addictive personalities, which 488 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 6: unfortunately translate into other addictive things, and we can decide 489 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 6: where we want our addictive personalities to land. And I 490 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 6: think that's like the realization that's come out of a 491 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 6: lot of this is it's like, I'm not going to 492 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 6: give my addictive personality to exactly what you said, that 493 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 6: bartender that knows my shot and a beer. You're happy 494 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 6: because I leave you at twenty because you're not charging 495 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 6: the full amount to your owners. You're not being accountable 496 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 6: in the role that you were hired in. And you 497 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 6: think that me and you have some bloy to make 498 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 6: it that I benefit from spending time with no fuck 499 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 6: that yep. 500 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 3: Take us back from that day in college, the second 501 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 3: time you chose to get drunk, and now you're in 502 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 3: the slammer. How did alcohol then become a theme throughout 503 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 3: your career, your adult life, and then how did you 504 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 3: get to that point six years ago? 505 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 6: Being set free in an environment that gave me the 506 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 6: opportunity to explore without any boundaries is a dangerous place skiing. 507 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 6: I knew the consequences if I went too fast, I'd 508 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 6: hit a tree that would hurt even you know, as 509 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 6: my drinking progressed through college, where like it was literally 510 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 6: like Thursday through Sunday, it was guarant like I had 511 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 6: like that weird like I remember going to see my 512 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 6: dentist and he was like, what's wrong with the back 513 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 6: of your teeth? I was like, I don't know, like 514 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 6: what is wrong with the back of my teeth? And 515 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 6: he's like, there's this weird like acidic build up and 516 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 6: I was. 517 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 5: Like, I don't know, I don't know. It's like do 518 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 5: you throw up a lot? 519 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 6: And I was like yeah, and like I had like 520 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 6: acidic build up on the back of my teeth from 521 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 6: so much if that tells you like, and it was 522 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 6: seen by my dentist, so that was like a Shirtell sign. 523 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 6: And then you know, like I got married to a 524 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 6: really beautiful lady and like it was all built around drinking, 525 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 6: like she worked for a beer company and. 526 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 5: Like it was awesome. 527 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 6: And then my mom passed away, went through a divorce, 528 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 6: like all these things that were like Okay, your mom 529 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 6: and your relationship is all built on like how drunk 530 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 6: you've gotten together, and like you barely remember these moments. 531 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 6: Your relationship is built on in fueled on like anger 532 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 6: from drinking. Like I remember just like sitting down, like 533 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 6: going through divorce, sitting in a lawyer office all by myself, 534 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 6: like at a freaking like big conference table, like after 535 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 6: the lawyers left and everything, and just being like you 536 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 6: thought you hit rock bottom. Huh, and like you're signing 537 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 6: away things and like you know what you thought was 538 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 6: this life? You're just like it's literally just like you're 539 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 6: signing these baby, I'll do this, I'll do that, and 540 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 6: you're like, where the hell have I been? And then 541 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 6: like you start to see like all right, this foundational 542 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 6: item of your life is starting to crumble. Let's check 543 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 6: in on some other buckets. And you look at these 544 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 6: other buckets and you're like, all right, this is going 545 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 6: to be a lot harder. Now, what's what is my 546 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 6: financial Like take into this and you look at it 547 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 6: and you're like, you know, I have a thing. 548 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 5: You know, ever since quit drinking. I think I'm just shy. 549 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 6: I have one hundred thousand dollars saved and drinking in 550 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 6: the last six years, and that's just from what my 551 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 6: annual spend was, you know, on average. Then you're like, okay, 552 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 6: so financial. Then you look at friendship? 553 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 5: All right? How many of these people could I call 554 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 5: to go get a drink with me? All right? Cool? 555 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 5: All of them? Check ten because they know I'll buy 556 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 5: the drink for them. All right. 557 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 6: Now, let's call my car's broken down on the side 558 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 6: of the road. I don't have anybody to call. How 559 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 6: many of these people they're probably already drunk, so they 560 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 6: can't help you. They're probably you know, wanting to know 561 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 6: what the benefit is from them. How are they going 562 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 6: to benefit by how coming to help you? 563 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 3: So? 564 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 6: Okay, friendships are crumbling, you know, relationship we already know 565 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 6: is crumbling, and you look at it and it's like 566 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 6: the grout that was the foundational you know, hold on 567 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 6: all the things you build, you know. Unfortunately it's kryptonite 568 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 6: as alcohol, as you realize. And I'm not saying everybody 569 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 6: in this world needs to be sober, No, there's just 570 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 6: certain individuals that, unfortunately like they're not good at drinking. 571 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 2: You're right, there's a lot of people that can go 572 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: and have a glass of wine or beer with dinner 573 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: and be just fine, you know. But I know, for 574 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 2: me personally, last three I would say definitely the last 575 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: two years before God told me, you're going to be 576 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: the next one they bear if you don't stop drinking, 577 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: because that's literally how it happened with me five years ago, 578 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: the last couple of years. I mean, it was as 579 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 2: soon as it hit my lips, like I was going 580 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 2: to blackout, I was going to failure, no doubt. 581 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: That's that all gas s noo breaks mentality. 582 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: Just like you said, When we can channel that into healthy, 583 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: it's amazing what we can accomplish. And I love the 584 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 2: spin on words that your sponsor gave you, because that's 585 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: something that you don't have to be a recovering alcoholic 586 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: to think about. That's something that anyone could think about. 587 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 2: And it's like Ash and I, you know, when we 588 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: go through hard times because of stuff that happens in 589 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: our families or together, and it's like, hey, listen, it's important, 590 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: like let's fill this. We got to fill it. We 591 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: got to fill it authentically, you know, so we can 592 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: learn and grow from it. You can't just put a 593 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: band aid on an amputation. It's not going to hold. 594 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: You know, it's not going to hold. 595 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 6: We haven't figured out how to be starfish yet either. 596 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 6: And you know, regrow things. So it's like yeah, it 597 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 6: would be nice. 598 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, speaking of regrowing, you had a tipping point 599 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: in your career. You became a professional skier, then you 600 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: became a coach. Tell us about the significant injury that 601 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: put you on the path that you're on today. 602 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 6: April twenty nine, two thousand and six. You know, nine 603 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 6: oh five am, I hit a jump that was one 604 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 6: hundred feet long. 605 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 5: The problem was what one hundred and thirty feet on? 606 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 6: It came down from thirty feet in the air, and 607 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 6: the resultant impact into the snow first fractured my T 608 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 6: twelve vertebrae into my spine, left me paralyzed from the 609 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 6: belly button down. And I was super lucky. I got 610 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 6: I got life flight of amazing care, amazing surgery, and 611 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 6: was given the gift of you know, what you put 612 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 6: back into your recovery is what you're going to get 613 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 6: in your return. 614 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 5: And I took that as much as I can. You know, 615 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 5: I saw massive complications. 616 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 6: I've had some bad medical doctors along the way that 617 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 6: haven't been the best too, and you know, and they. 618 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: Are, they exist, they exist. 619 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 6: Oh my god, it's okay, Like people can make mistakes, 620 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 6: but you know what you're messing with my life. 621 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 5: But I think like one of the biggest takeaways. 622 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 6: Is just has been like, all right, well, you know, 623 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 6: what are the goods that I got out of it? 624 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 6: And I think like the one that I remember and 625 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 6: it's it's just been hitting me so hard is the 626 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 6: day like hit the ground. What felt like this out 627 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 6: of body what was an out of body experience of 628 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 6: like hovering above my body and then you know the 629 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 6: next thing is this ski patrol put this mask on 630 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 6: my face and I sucked back in as the air 631 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 6: came to my body. Was just like in that moment 632 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 6: what you know, could have been a minute, could have 633 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 6: been a half. 634 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 5: Hour, whatever it was. 635 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 6: I think that was like that moment that shows that 636 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 6: I have the ability to fight through any adversity. I 637 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 6: remember just like hovering above and being like you're going 638 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 6: that way or this way? 639 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 5: Which way you want to go? 640 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 6: Bro? And I was like, you know, pressing the button 641 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 6: as hard as I can to get back down. Hit 642 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 6: the elevator button down. I want to go back to him. 643 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 6: I want to go back to him. 644 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: You know. 645 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 6: It's really funny, like I've had this realization after I 646 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 6: don't know if you've watched cars on the road with 647 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 6: either of your boys. 648 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 5: It's on Pixar right now. 649 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 6: It's just like the continuation of Lightning McQueen and you 650 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 6: know of Mater And unfortunately Mater gets dressed up as 651 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 6: a rocket ship to set the Lances speed record across 652 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 6: the salt flats and he blows up and he actually 653 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 6: dies and he gets set up and like the All 654 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 6: Above like car is like like made. 655 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 5: Or like I'm sorry you're here, but you're coming with me. 656 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 5: He's like I don't want to go. Yeah, May and 657 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 5: May and Lot didn't have so many more adventures. 658 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 6: And he literally tricks the All Above to like sneak 659 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 6: around him and go back down and like get back 660 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 6: in his body in the car and save the wreck 661 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 6: and come out and does set the speed record. 662 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 5: And it's like I'm watching that with Gunner. 663 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 6: I'm like, oh my god, like that's me, Like that's it, 664 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 6: like let's go, and like it was that moment. It's 665 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 6: like I don't know, I have relentless tattooed on my 666 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 6: chest for a reason. It's like I have a relentless 667 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 6: pursuit to get everything I want to accomplish, and I'm 668 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 6: just I'm not gonna and if I fail. It's it's 669 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 6: only me, and I know that if something doesn't happen, 670 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 6: I know internally it's me. If I didn't fight that day, 671 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 6: it wasn't like, you know, if this was an epiphany, 672 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 6: this was some like bigger thing, It doesn't matter. There 673 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 6: was no one else in that exact moment except for 674 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 6: myself that was like, dude, you need to fight to 675 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 6: get back down and if you don't fight, you're going 676 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 6: to go up there. And that's like at the end 677 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 6: of the day, Like it's such a moment to realize that. 678 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 6: It's like, dude, it's all on you. Don't just talk 679 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 6: the talk, walk the walk or limp the limp whatever you. 680 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 5: Want to say. And I'll just limp the limp because 681 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 5: I don't walk that good. 682 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 2: You know what, You walk a lot better than they 683 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 2: thought you were going to. 684 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 3: So how did your recovery go once you made that 685 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: ultimate decision? Like, no, I still won't be in this fight. 686 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: I still want to do this life thing. Tell me 687 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 3: about your recovery and what happened from that and how much. 688 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: You thought it was. 689 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 6: You know what, Like looking back on it, I think 690 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 6: like the best thing were the mean nurses because it 691 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 6: makes you really realize, like how amazing a nurse, a doctor, 692 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 6: a physical therapist, an occupational therapist, anybody along the road 693 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 6: to recovery were so beneficial, but you really don't realize 694 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 6: it untill later when you're like, holy shit, that one nurse, 695 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 6: Like I had to get this ner rotten shot, so 696 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 6: like I wouldn't get you know, decreased blood thinning, so 697 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 6: I wouldn't get you know, blood clots and stuff like that. 698 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 6: And like I had these three nurses that were just like, oh, Roy, 699 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 6: like it's so nice to see you today, Like do 700 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 6: you want some apple sauce? 701 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 5: Like so nice? And they're like, Roy, look outside, there's a. 702 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 6: Birding like and I was like, oh, there's a like 703 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 6: don't even realize it. And then not even kidding you, 704 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 6: I her name was Helda, which I'm not making up. 705 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: And because it wouldn't be anything like yeah, and it's. 706 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 6: Not like her name's like Samantha, right, so Helda like 707 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 6: comes in and I'm not kidding. Like the white thing, 708 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 6: you know, like the like Hollywood version of a scary 709 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 6: like nineteen fifties military like nurse, like the way they portrayed. 710 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 2: It a different Disney Pixar movie. 711 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 5: This is not from Disney. 712 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 6: Helda like comes in and she's like, you're not doing 713 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 6: well to that. You look like you're going to die. 714 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 6: No blood caught today, but bye see you tomorrow. At seven, 715 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 6: You're like, what just happened? And like you get a 716 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 6: black and blue So every time you look down, you're like, oh, helda, 717 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 6: Oh helda. It's like, you know, but then years later 718 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 6: you're like, Jesus Christ, thank God for her. Like imagine if, 719 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 6: like you imagine if it was the other way around, 720 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 6: you had ninety percent Helda and ten percent like Samantha's 721 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 6: or whatever. 722 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 5: Name you think. 723 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's like one thing that I always think 724 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 6: about in that recovery. But you know, recovery for me 725 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 6: was like it wasn't until like again I hit another 726 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 6: rock bottom and another rock bottom that like I actually 727 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 6: decided that again it was me. I was so codependent 728 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 6: on my girlfriend at the time. I was so codependent 729 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 6: on whiskey that like the two of them were a 730 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 6: deadly combination. During the day, I like, basically her life 731 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 6: was my life, you know, disappointment, that appointment, all these things. 732 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 6: Didn't know what to do when it was just me. 733 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 6: Then at night when she would go to work, like 734 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 6: I would just drink and it's like, okay, so I'm alone, 735 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 6: but I'm not feeling things. And it wasn't until like 736 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 6: you know, that kind of ended, you know, we broke up. 737 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 6: I went to live with my parents in a completely 738 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 6: unaccessible house, and I'm like I realized, like right then, 739 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 6: like all right, nothing about quality of life is where 740 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 6: you want. I was sleeping on a couch, you know, 741 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 6: and it's just like, what the what are we doing? 742 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 6: And I had met this dude, this trainer, his name 743 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 6: was Wayne Burwell or his name is Wayne Burwell, and 744 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 6: he's like just you know, this sod after trainer and 745 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 6: African American David Vebora is a great way to put it. 746 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 6: He like randomly saw me and I was like, you know, 747 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 6: I was at the bottom. And he's just like, dude, 748 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 6: you show up every day at ten fifteen, I'll train 749 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 6: you every day for free. Every day you show up, 750 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 6: you get free training. Well, skip a day with you, 751 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 6: skip a day without a train, you skip a day 752 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 6: without a reason, it's over. 753 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: Wow. And I was like I never knew that, man. 754 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've never talked about tell me that wasn't a 755 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 2: god Bill. 756 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 5: Dude. 757 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 6: This guy, I mean, he's Wayne's fifty plus now, he 758 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 6: has like one percent body fat on him. He's a saint, 759 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 6: and I think he saw that in me every day 760 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 6: I showed up and then he made me a bet. 761 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 6: He's like, dude, the first day you go skiing, I'll 762 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 6: be there and I'll tell you what, dude, Skiing is 763 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 6: such a humbling thing because Wayne is like as I said, 764 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 6: he's like a physical phenom. 765 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 5: He came out skiing and he had that Bambi leg 766 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 5: all over. I don't know what I'm doing approach to skiing. 767 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 6: And it's just one of those mentors that it's not 768 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 6: like I see Wayne that often, but every time I 769 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 6: need Wayne in my life, Wayne shows up. You know, 770 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 6: from that moment of like realizing it's only you in 771 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 6: this fight you got to fight to get back to 772 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 6: your body, but then realizing as you go through it 773 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 6: that like you can't be dependent on others. You need 774 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 6: to allow people to be dependent on you. And so 775 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 6: if someone says, hey, you show up every day at 776 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 6: ten fifteen, I'll train you for free, all right, they're 777 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 6: depending on you'd show up at ten fifteen and when 778 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 6: you when that happens, you know, a bond creates and 779 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 6: I think that's like one of the biggest takeaways from that. 780 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 6: And then that moved into my physical therapist. 781 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 5: This guy named Lad Williams. 782 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 6: Why you know, it was this Native American that like 783 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 6: did more healing, you know through a I don't know, 784 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 6: hold your hands over it, and all of a sudden, 785 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 6: warm camp fire feeling shows up. 786 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 5: In your kneecap type thing. 787 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 6: It was same thing with him, Hey, show up every 788 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,240 Speaker 6: day at two and we'll do physical therapy for six hours. 789 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 6: And it was like, you know, every day at two o'clock. 790 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 6: Once I moved back out West, was you know, dedicated 791 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 6: to the dependency of me showing up. 792 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 5: And I think that's really like, I don't know, it's 793 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,439 Speaker 5: free to show up. It's free. There is no cost 794 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 5: to showing up. 795 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 4: I think that's such a beautiful thing. 796 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 3: As you're sitting here talking, I think about your recovery 797 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 3: wasn't done by you. Yes, the majority of it was 798 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 3: your grit, your tenacity to work through it, but you 799 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 3: had other people that truly stepped in, Like I think 800 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 3: about Vic Miller, who's one of Jake's good friends, you know, 801 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 3: quintessential marine and a good friend of ours. Vic showed 802 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 3: up for Jake. Not only did he have the friends 803 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 3: and family that came and spent the time with him 804 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 3: in the hospital, but Vic was so consistent. And that's 805 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 3: such a beautiful thing. And I think it's important for 806 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 3: us to recognize, like, hey, sometimes when you're in that 807 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 3: strong place, go be that for someone else, because there's 808 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 3: a point in time when you need that, when you're 809 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,720 Speaker 3: at your low. So how was high fives birthed? 810 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, so the name of high five's it's got a 811 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,760 Speaker 6: kind of a funny story. The next day after my surgery, 812 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 6: the surgeon came in, this guy that bedside manner was 813 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 6: not what I would say he was really sought after 814 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,439 Speaker 6: surgery was. And you know, he gave me this great 815 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,919 Speaker 6: news and said, you know, hey, whatever you put into 816 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 6: your recovery, you'll get back in your return. And I 817 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 6: didn't know what else to do other than to put 818 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 6: my hand up and ask for a high five, because 819 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 6: at this moment can't move in my bed, I can't 820 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 6: jump out of joy, you know and stand up. So 821 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 6: I put my hand up and literally I'm just sitting 822 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 6: there for what I swear it felt like thirty minutes, 823 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 6: but you know, Lo and Behold, it's it's probably like 824 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 6: five seconds. But you know, in that moment of just 825 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 6: like despair, like come on, you know what to do. 826 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 6: You can hit my hand, please just slap it. Well, 827 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 6: have this positive exchange. It'll be awesome. Lo and Behold, 828 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 6: he didn't know what to do. I had to literally 829 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 6: explain it to him. And then, you know, years later, 830 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 6: when we're trying to come up with a name for 831 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 6: the foundation, the first few like let's call it the 832 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 6: Roy Tuscany Foundation. No, and then I was like, hey, 833 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 6: I remember this moment, and I was like, how about 834 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 6: high fives? And I was like, whoa, that's what we're 835 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 6: gonna do in this process. We're gonna give out high 836 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 6: fives to individuals when they have life changing injuries and 837 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 6: help them through the recovery process. 838 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 4: And we're not gonna leave them hanging. 839 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 3: You're gonna yeah, awesome, tell us about your journey to sobriety. 840 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,959 Speaker 6: So high Fives in the first couple of years got 841 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 6: growth of like two hundred and twenty five percent annually 842 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 6: on average. So it went from this idea of like 843 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 6: helping one to helping now five to then twenty to 844 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, like literally everything it was 845 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 6: high Fi's Roy Roy High Five's High I's Roy Roy 846 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 6: High Iive's Roy High I's Highfi's Roy. There was no 847 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 6: boundary between my identity and it became this immerged almost 848 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:27,399 Speaker 6: like new persona where I couldn't be anything but this 849 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 6: like public figure, and it took this toll. I was 850 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 6: in a really unhappy relationship at the time, my mom 851 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 6: was dying of cancer. All these things were just stacking up, 852 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 6: and instead of actually allowing myself to feel it was 853 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 6: just so much easy. I I you know, it's so 854 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 6: funny like talking about this stuff now, it's like, at 855 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 6: what time was it okay for me? Like like my 856 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 6: first shot, I'd take a shot, be like see you later, 857 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 6: and like thinking that was so cool, like see you later, Like. 858 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 5: What the hell are you doing? 859 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 6: And so you know, massive growth, massive instantaneous success, but 860 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 6: like small pond success, but a big fish in a 861 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 6: very small pond, massive ego that then developed into like 862 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 6: almost like you can't touch this, you know. 863 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 5: Twenty sixteen, like I was. 864 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 6: At I had went with you know, you know, I'm 865 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 6: uncle Scott unfortunately passed away drinking is what, you know, 866 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 6: took his life. 867 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 5: He's one of the greatest humans I ever known. 868 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 6: And if his heart was his only thing he had 869 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 6: in this world, oh my god, the world would be 870 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 6: the best place in the place ever. But unfortunately drinking took, 871 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 6: you know, was what ended Scott's life, and it was 872 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 6: going to end my life. It was going to end 873 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 6: a lot of people's lives. And you know, I could 874 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 6: have ended someone's life too, which is the scariest thing 875 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 6: out of the whole coincidence. But Scott had so much money, 876 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 6: you know, it was endless. We had a you know, 877 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 6: an American Express black card. You know, we had this 878 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 6: beautiful RV. We had tickets to all everything. It was like, 879 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 6: you know, we were living like the I don't even know, 880 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 6: like the Billionaire Boys Club almost. I remember going and 881 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,720 Speaker 6: this is like how fucked up like an addictive mind 882 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 6: can be. Is I remember going to the liquor store 883 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 6: and being like, dude, let's drink a whole bottle, a 884 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 6: whole handle a cass amigos in one night and you 885 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 6: can do it. And I was like, this is gonna 886 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,959 Speaker 6: be awesome. And I did it, did it without a problem. 887 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 6: Actually I don't even remember what time I went to bed. 888 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 6: I woke up at like six forty five in the morning, 889 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 6: like half on a couch in between like a table 890 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 6: and a couch on an RV, like in my clothes, 891 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 6: just like that's not life. 892 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 5: That moment right then and there, I said like, all right, dude, 893 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 5: you did it. Congratulations, you accomplished your goal. 894 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 6: What's next? The only thing bigger than a handle is 895 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 6: a keg? What are you gonna drink a keg in 896 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 6: a night? Dumbass? Not possible. And so from a competitive mindset, 897 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 6: I originally was like, all right, dude, you gotta take 898 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 6: thirty days going through a divorce, Mom's cancer just escalated, 899 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 6: Dad's in a new relationship, all these things, and like 900 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 6: I wasn't feeling any of them. All these things were 901 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 6: stacking up, and the root of everything was the idea 902 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 6: that I just I wasn't feeling anything, and like I 903 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 6: was masking everything. And I think that was that takeaway 904 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 6: and that idea of that competitive mindset, and like being 905 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 6: honest with myself for like the first time in so long, 906 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,280 Speaker 6: are you really going to put all your talents into 907 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,720 Speaker 6: how much consumption you can put forth? 908 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,359 Speaker 5: Or are you gonna like. 909 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 6: Just be real and help people and you know, be 910 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 6: genuine and. 911 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 5: Figure out who the fuck you are. 912 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 6: And you know, it's like six years later, it's it's unreal, man, 913 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:07,760 Speaker 6: it's unreal. 914 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 5: The conversations with your therapist, it's unreal. 915 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 6: All these all the conversations you can have, you know, 916 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 6: and it's just like you reflect back on it and 917 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 6: it's like you can't everything is so frickin poisoned that 918 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 6: like you can't find the remedy for it until the 919 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 6: only remedy is you. And when you realize that, you 920 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 6: start to empower yourself. And like the journey over the 921 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 6: last six years, like, oh my god, I think it's 922 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,720 Speaker 6: been harder than the first thirty six years of my life. 923 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 6: But I'll take it because with every growth, I am 924 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,760 Speaker 6: coming off of a mistake. With every growth, I'm feeling 925 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 6: why I'm growing from it. And when I grow now 926 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 6: it's not being masked, it's actually being a tablished and 927 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,399 Speaker 6: being built into that foundation. And unfortunately, you know, I 928 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 6: know that the grout that holds my foundation together dissolves 929 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 6: when alcohol is put into it. 930 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 5: And if I want to have. 931 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 6: A stronger foundation, well then I guess three cups of coffee. 932 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,839 Speaker 6: Is you know, I'll take that. I might just get 933 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 6: a little energized and I might get more done, but 934 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 6: I can feel what I'm getting done, and I take 935 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 6: that every single day. 936 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 5: So I mean, that's been my journey. 937 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 3: I want to thank you for being so vulnerable and 938 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 3: for sharing the beautiful words that you just shared, for 939 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,879 Speaker 3: the journey that you did, for choosing life and now 940 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 3: for choosing a clean life and all that you're able 941 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 3: to accomplish because of that. So thank you for sharing that. 942 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 3: That was really touching. If you can think back on 943 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 3: your life's journey, is there an individual or an organization 944 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 3: that's made a huge impact on you. 945 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,320 Speaker 6: I think like one that has made an absolute huge 946 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 6: impact on me is make a Wish. I think like 947 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 6: they set a standard for a lot of what myself 948 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 6: and Jake do. Now, do we provide a trip for 949 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 6: a family to go to Disneyland. Maybe we have a 950 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 6: couple times, but that's not at the root of what 951 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 6: we do. But at the root of what we do 952 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 6: is we provide hope to those that unfortunately don't really 953 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 6: have hope in their timeline. And I think that really 954 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 6: all comes from the model of make a wish, And 955 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 6: so I think, like thinking back on it, thinking about 956 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 6: what was that first you know nonprofit organization that really 957 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 6: resonated within me was make a Wish. So I think 958 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 6: that make a Wish is something that has built a 959 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 6: catalyst for other organizations. 960 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 5: At that time, we're not being around. There wasn't a. 961 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 6: Mental health therapy group for armed services in the nineteen 962 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 6: eighties and nineties. It was sorry, you're a wuss, fill 963 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 6: out this paperwork and deal with it. 964 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 5: Like that's how it was, you know. 965 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 6: But now that idea of like you know, providing hope 966 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 6: to people from the catalyst of what we make a wish, 967 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 6: I think is what really has set me into the 968 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 6: role that I am now in using that as a 969 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,399 Speaker 6: platform to you know, in a nutshell what h fhives does? 970 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:10,839 Speaker 5: You know we grant. 971 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 2: Hope, great answer and completely agree. So what do you 972 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 2: do to unwind and recharge? 973 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,720 Speaker 5: My new outlet is adapted mountain biking. 974 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 6: It has become my absolute savior, and it's because it 975 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 6: is a real life device, something that is available. You know, 976 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 6: you can go to any store in America, not any store, 977 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 6: but you can go to a bike store in America 978 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 6: and buy an e bike and it's suitable for individuals 979 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 6: with disabilities. Jake, I got a fleet of them here. 980 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 6: The next time you're up here will go out. I'll 981 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,240 Speaker 6: never forget it. Got my first E bike for my buddy, 982 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 6: Paul B. Paul was a Red Bull mountain biker that 983 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,800 Speaker 6: sustained a spinal cord injury at the rampage of It 984 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 6: in Utah. We became super close over that injury, and 985 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 6: you know, he helped develop an e bike to get 986 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 6: him back on. Me and him very similar walking paraplegics. 987 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,879 Speaker 6: So he developed a bike with Scott and he got 988 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 6: me one of them and he's like, well, you gotta 989 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 6: try this, and I was like, dude, I don't know. 990 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 6: Like I'd had my journey with mountain bike and prior 991 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 6: to my injury and then post injury. 992 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 5: I got on this bike. 993 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 6: I remember the first pedal stroke I made as I 994 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,399 Speaker 6: went up the hill and I was like, wait, did 995 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,360 Speaker 6: my spinal cord injury just go away? Like what is 996 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 6: going on here? And that moment, you know, Matthew McConaughey 997 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,720 Speaker 6: talks about it. He's like, yo, when you feel joy man, 998 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 6: and it's like that's it. You don't you feel happy 999 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 6: a lot. When you feel joy, it transforms stuff. Yeah, 1000 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,360 Speaker 6: that moment right there, and then that's it adapted. Mountain 1001 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 6: biking on my e bike has become this transformational process 1002 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 6: for me, a new way to explore. I got this 1003 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 6: little seat that I put Gunner on. There, me and 1004 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,800 Speaker 6: him go out riding together. 1005 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 5: It's unreal. 1006 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 6: It's giving me the gift of something that it's a 1007 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,399 Speaker 6: corny phrase, but dude, you know, I never thought I'd 1008 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,320 Speaker 6: be able to fall back in love with mountain biking, 1009 00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,919 Speaker 6: and I've been given the gift too, So it's really cool. 1010 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 4: That's beautiful. Last question, what feeds your soul? 1011 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:07,480 Speaker 5: Right now? 1012 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,800 Speaker 6: What feeds my soul are moments with Gunner and Elena 1013 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 6: that we get to experience. 1014 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 5: Elena and I both have disabilities. My wife's in a wheelchair. 1015 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 6: I walk with a pretty heavy limp and a very 1016 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,360 Speaker 6: limited to mobility. But there have been that people that 1017 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,880 Speaker 6: have taken Gunner out on the front of the surfboard 1018 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,959 Speaker 6: so we can serve with us. We've got a great 1019 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,360 Speaker 6: group of friends, from my adopted son Sano, to my 1020 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,720 Speaker 6: goddaughter Ruby, to employees Becca and Danny who heather Gunner 1021 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,760 Speaker 6: so he can go skiing with Elena and I because 1022 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 6: unfortunately we can't teach him to ski outside of just 1023 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,239 Speaker 6: you know, being there to coach him because of our disabilities. 1024 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 6: So it's like those moments that we get to experience 1025 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 6: with Gunner, Like that's the soul feeding. 1026 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 5: You know. 1027 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,240 Speaker 6: Last night I was with one of our largest donors, 1028 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 6: who unfortunately doesn't have any kids, and he looked me 1029 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,399 Speaker 6: right in the face and he says, Roy, I am 1030 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,680 Speaker 6: poor in life, rich in property. You are rich in 1031 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,879 Speaker 6: life life and pretty poor and property. It's like joking, 1032 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 6: it's like pretty poor and property. 1033 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:04,759 Speaker 1: To what I got. 1034 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 5: You know. 1035 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,319 Speaker 6: He's a funny guy. And I was like, Wow, what 1036 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,479 Speaker 6: currency do you want to operate in? And like, yeah, 1037 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 6: obviously we need to operate in the currency of like property, 1038 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,360 Speaker 6: because we need a house, we need a car, we 1039 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 6: need these things to operate in our daily life. But 1040 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,080 Speaker 6: if like you, operate in the currency of life, then 1041 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,680 Speaker 6: all that matters is how you exchange those moments in life, 1042 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 6: and that's how I choose to feed my soul. 1043 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 3: Well, this is one of those moments for us. Certainly, 1044 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 3: thank you for feeding our soul. Just truly touched by 1045 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 3: your story and everything you've been through everything you continue 1046 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:40,799 Speaker 3: to do. 1047 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 4: Roy, thank you for being on the good stuff. 1048 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,839 Speaker 6: I love you guys so much. This was so much fun. 1049 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 6: I can't We've been doing this for over an hour 1050 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 6: and forty minutes. 1051 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,640 Speaker 2: Now, bro, my bro, I tell you what we do 1052 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,319 Speaker 2: go back several years, minion years, and we've spent a 1053 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 2: lot of time together over the years. 1054 00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,839 Speaker 1: And I got to tell you right now. 1055 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,439 Speaker 2: I mean, even though this is for our show and 1056 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,800 Speaker 2: you're gracious enough to be a guest, I want to 1057 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 2: thank you for being the most present I've ever had 1058 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 2: the privilege of having you. And that's saying a lot, 1059 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,879 Speaker 2: because you you always did show up, no matter what 1060 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,399 Speaker 2: I mean, hungover, drunk, it didn't matter. 1061 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:19,960 Speaker 1: You showed up. 1062 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 2: But it is pretty rad for you and I to 1063 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,720 Speaker 2: be able to share some time and be ever present 1064 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:27,400 Speaker 2: in the moment. 1065 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,839 Speaker 1: I'm very very grateful for. 1066 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:40,440 Speaker 2: That in this time, Roy tuscany great human being there 1067 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 2: will only ever be one. And I'm pretty sure I 1068 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,360 Speaker 2: say that about all the people we interviewed. 1069 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:45,879 Speaker 1: But there's a. 1070 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 4: Point absolutely right, I mean, such a great guy. 1071 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,799 Speaker 2: These people are not the Diamond dozen people, right, These 1072 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,280 Speaker 2: are the people that they unzipp their trescavity. 1073 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,360 Speaker 1: They bear their soul. 1074 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 2: To the world and they say, let's roll, let's do 1075 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,040 Speaker 2: better together, let's do awesome stuff. 1076 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1077 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 3: To go from being told you're never going to walk 1078 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,560 Speaker 3: again to having this coach show up and say, show 1079 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,919 Speaker 3: up every day at ten o'clock, I'll train you for free. 1080 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 1: Yes, it wasn't free. It is his time costs money. 1081 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,080 Speaker 4: Exactly most precious commodity has. 1082 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 3: And then for him to go through everything he's gone 1083 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,960 Speaker 3: through saying hey, I'm going to start this foundation and 1084 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 3: then getting sober. I mean, I love the parallels between 1085 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 3: the two of you, your life stories and where you're 1086 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 3: both at today and how present you're able to be 1087 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:31,760 Speaker 3: with one another. 1088 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 4: It's just a beautiful thing. 1089 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 1: You know. 1090 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 2: It's proof positive that there is a higher power and 1091 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,240 Speaker 2: a higher calling and the fact that we both can 1092 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:47,960 Speaker 2: truly appreciate our victories and truly process our failures now 1093 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,640 Speaker 2: in a real way the way it was meant to be. 1094 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,960 Speaker 3: Is it's poetic, absolutely, And like he said, when I 1095 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 3: grow now it's not being masked, it's being established into 1096 00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:58,719 Speaker 3: my foundation. 1097 00:52:59,640 --> 00:52:59,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1098 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,439 Speaker 2: I mean, he's awesome. What an awesome story. Everything about 1099 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:04,880 Speaker 2: it except the nurse. 1100 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 4: Helda she sounds scary. 1101 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 1: What a horrible human. 1102 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 4: That's trying to save my life and make me feel better. 1103 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for listening to this episode of 1104 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 4: the Good Stuff. 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