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Speaker 1: My guest for this pod of a ball ball is

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Speaker 1: Scott Drew's head coach. Baylor had a great year. They

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Speaker 1: them getting ready tournament. But one time about his kind

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Speaker 1: of upbringing. He went to Butler where he kind of

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Speaker 1: studied to be a coach, coach under his dad, then

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Speaker 1: coached with his brother and his dad when his brother

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Speaker 1: of college basketball. There is a ton to get to

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Speaker 1: with him. So without further ado, let's get to Scott Drew.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Radio app. Well, let's welcome him in. He's the head

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Speaker 1: coach of the Baylor Bears, who were ranked at one

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Speaker 1: point time number one in the country to beat Kansas

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Speaker 1: how are you dealing with, uh, with everything with with

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Speaker 1: how are you handling it? Well? I can tell you

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Speaker 1: one thing. God did not equip me to be a

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Speaker 1: then I've been focusing on making sure our guys are

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Speaker 1: knowing how to handle that, do that when they need

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Speaker 1: So uh nowadays you know uh um, so many kids

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Speaker 1: UM and which I was class of and I saw

430
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: Notre Dame would not have been an option had your

431
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: brother simply gone there a town he grows up in. UM.

432
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: John McCloud was the coach then it wasn't wasn't digger

433
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: that had that had been handed over, and obviously everybody

434
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: wanted your brother and he stayed home to play for

435
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: your dad and you what was that? You know, I'm

436
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: gonna have him on at some point you can tell

437
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: his side of the story. But I'm sure you get

438
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: you moved back home. Here, your brother is burgeoning all American,

439
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: your dad's trying to turn the program around. Take me

440
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: through how that actually played out. Well, it was It

441
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: was really easy. We told him if he wanted to

442
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: be in the family's will, if you ever wanted to

443
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: get a Christmas gift, if you ever wanted to do

444
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: anything with us, he had to come to Volpo at

445
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: the time, So we got that done. Uh in all seriousness,

446
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: what what what? What it actually had happened was as

447
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: Bryce became a better player, he got recruited and took

448
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: official visits from Aford to Notre Dame to Syracuse and

449
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: was Mr Basketball in the state of Indiana, and so

450
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: he could have gone anywhere. And up to that time,

451
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: remember Valpo would never won. And the year that that

452
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: he's finishing up high school, Valpo wins twenty and actually

453
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: has a chance to to maybe get to an n

454
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: c A tournament and you're like, man, you can win here,

455
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: and he signs late, and I think because both coincided.

456
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is if Valto had

457
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: won five or six games, I don't know if my

458
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: dad would have been as excited about Bryce going to Valpo.

459
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: From the standpoint he wanted to play in the n

460
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: c A tournament. He wanted to have a chance to

461
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: uh accomplish his goals and dreams of being a part

462
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: of March Madness and playing against other quality teams and winning.

463
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: And what it did the year before he got there,

464
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: by us getting close and winning twenty games, it was like, hey,

465
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: you know what, we can get to the tournament. We

466
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: can be a successful program. You can come here and

467
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: be a winner. And I think dad all coincided with

468
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: him finishing his career, visited those schools, and uh, as

469
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: we ratcheted up the heat, I think I started making

470
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: his bed form and my mom made his favorite breakfast

471
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: every day, and uh, next thing, you know, we got

472
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: the commitment. And um, the irony is we didn't have

473
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: a scholarship at that time. So he was probably the

474
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: best walk on in valpel history or maybe in the

475
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: state of Indiana walk on history. And then the sophomore

476
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: year he got a scholarship. I believe that's how it worked. Okay,

477
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: So then what was that dynamic like like, look, you've

478
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: always gone in the gym and been with your dad.

479
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: You'd coached Bryce in a you but now of a sudden,

480
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: as you point out, you got get bumped up to

481
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: being an assistant. Your dad's a head coach. Bryce is

482
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: a freshman team that had already won twenty games. What

483
00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: was that experience like early on? Well, the I remember

484
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: but one one thing that I'll pass on any other

485
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: coaches sons out there, Uh, Dick Bennett, Tony Bennett. One

486
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: thing that they had given great advice to my brother,

487
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: and that was, if there's a real tough practice, stay

488
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: in the gym and shoot because when you go in

489
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: the locker room, people are gonna be upset with your dad,

490
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: and it's easier if you're there not to hear about that.

491
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: So I thought that was really good advice. And and

492
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 1: and Ron Hunter and his son r J, when he

493
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: was going to coach him, he had asked for the

494
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: same advice. And I wish my brother and dad hadn't

495
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: been so honest, because remember r J hit the shot

496
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: to upset us in the first round, and I don't

497
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: know if we really needed him being on that team

498
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: looking back at things, but that is really good, uh

499
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: advice for their coaches sons out there after a tough

500
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: practice or when the players are mad at your dad,

501
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: don't go in the locker room until they got a

502
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: has to shower, cool down a little bit, because that

503
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: that that puts you in a bad position. But research

504
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: from other coaches, UH and sons, what what advice, what thoughts?

505
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: And and basically I had always worked out my brother,

506
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: So what was great was after every practice, I'm gonna

507
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 1: work him out extra anyway. And and so he just

508
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: lived in the gym and and was able to uh

509
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: because back in those days you didn't have near the

510
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: restrictions you do nowadays, with twenty hours practice time all

511
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, And and he was really able

512
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: to uh uh improve his his first year. And one

513
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: thing I'll tell you to is you and I know,

514
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: teams that love one another, care about one another, they

515
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: compete harder for each other. Well, who are you gonna

516
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: play harder for than your dad, you know, or your brother?

517
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: And I think, um, that made me want to recruit

518
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: harder and make sure he had better players around him

519
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: and a better team. And I'm sure my dad did

520
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: the same thing because we don't want to let him

521
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: down because when he came to Balpo, he could have

522
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: gone to a lot of other perceived programs that were better,

523
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: and he turned down those opportunities to play with us.

524
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, four years go by,

525
00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: he wins four regular season conference championships for conference ornament

526
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: championships and uh, actually I saw this the other day

527
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: on CBS or ESPN. Uh there were three schools that

528
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: have won ten or more straight I think conference championships

529
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: or conference tournament championships and Balbo's one of them. I

530
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: think Murray States one of them, and then uh Gonzaga

531
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: is the other one. So that that mark still around today.

532
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: Amazing staff. I was in uh Lexington, Kentucky. We had

533
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: played the first game of the day against George Washington

534
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: and one Shante Rogers was there, was their point guard.

535
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: Mike Jarvis was their head coach. We get back to

536
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: the done handling him against It wasn't I wasn't bad

537
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: they had. It was a weird team they had. You know,

538
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: he was like a five six five seven point guard

539
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: and then they had all these giant Russians. Okay, so

540
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: that quick and on ball defender, he was good. I

541
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: mean that that stuff didn't really bother like no because

542
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: people you know that point yet where people played way

543
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: off me, but no, ball pressure didn't really really bother them.

544
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: And they we just we felt like we we were

545
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: massively underseated because we lost to where the we won

546
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: the south back when the big the Big twelve as

547
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: you remember, was separated north and south, and and then

548
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: we lost to Texas Tom Pender's last win. He played

549
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: slow for the first time and they upset us in

550
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: the big to terms. We got like an eight seed,

551
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: and we should have been like a four like we

552
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: were ranked. The whole year was real, but we played

553
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: a soft schedule. Any when we get back and we

554
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: throw on old Miss valpo is on and the reason

555
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: we're all watching is I got Adrian Peterson's our best player.

556
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: He's from Little Rock, Arkansas. Alex Weber's on our team,

557
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: he's from Searcy, Arkansas. And they have Keith Carter's and

558
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: Arkansas kid Um. You know they have members of this

559
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: ant was on that team, Jason Smith, Anthony Boone who's

560
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: now the head coach I think at Central Arc he

561
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: was the interim now named full time head coach. Mike

562
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: White was the head coach at Florida of course was

563
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: their point guard. Anyway, all of our guys knew all

564
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: of their guys, and their staff knew our staff, etcetera, etcetera.

565
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: So we threw on the game. And it's in Oklahoma

566
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: City at the Myriad, which is next to the the

567
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Chesapeake and the Arena now or the thunder play, and

568
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: we're watching Bryce and your team, Jamie Sykes and Bill

569
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: Jenkins and Um and the and the rest of the

570
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: and the rest of the team. What do you forget

571
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: We'll get to Pacer and the play. What do you

572
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: remember about the game? Nobody ever talks about that game.

573
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: They only talk about the play. What do you remember

574
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: about the game? Well, well, first of all, what I

575
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: remember is as a coach, was we went to an

576
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: early shoot around that day, and I remember it was

577
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: a big question do you go to shoot around not

578
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: shoot around? Because it was an early game. So the

579
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: shoot aroiles like seven am, and I remember having great

580
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: energy and early bird gets the worm and and all

581
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: that stuff, trying to motivate your guys. But what I

582
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: really thought was driving into the tunnel, I was thinking,

583
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, this could be the last time I coached

584
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: my brother, and it really hit me. I was like, dang,

585
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: I don't want it to end. And with with that

586
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: senior class, uh Bill and Bob Jenkins, Jamie Sykes, um Uh.

587
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: They they had won four straight conference and conference tournament championships,

588
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: but they never won an n c A tournament game.

589
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: And they've been really close. The year before got out

590
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: to a great start against Boston College and and UH

591
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: believe coach O'Brien was coaching, and they had the big Fella,

592
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: the six seven Monster, inside. Yeah, and and so we

593
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: the first half, my brother hits like five or six

594
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: threes and and we we're up double figures and everything's

595
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: going great. And then they go to a boxing one

596
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: and we weren't really ready for that, you know, not

597
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: that we hadn't been boxing and one for but you

598
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: don't expect a big East school to do that, you know.

599
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: And they end up winning at the end of the game.

600
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: So we've been close, and and this game was ole

601
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: miss was back and forth, back and forth, and at

602
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: the end um what what what a lot of people

603
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: don't realize is like with twelve seconds or thirteen seconds

604
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: to go, we come down, my brother has a great

605
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: look from three, I mean a great look, and he

606
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: misses in and out and we file right away on

607
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: the rebound. So if he hangs his head, if the

608
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: team doesn't doesn't know to file right away, well then

609
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: you don't even get to the next point of the game.

610
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: Now it's a two point game at the time, So

611
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: if he hits at three, war up one with what

612
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: ten twelve seconds to go, but we miss. So now

613
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: you come back down and and they're shooting free throws

614
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: at uh like five seconds or something. And and Soucy say,

615
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: he's just got to make one to go up three,

616
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: and he misses both. But when he misses the second one,

617
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: we don't get a clean rebound. More time comes off

618
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: the clock. You'd mentioned Keith Carter, an outstanding player, but

619
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: he had a long wingspan, was athletic. He's over the

620
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: ball and with two point five seconds, everybody knows out

621
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: of time outs to line up and pacer and and

622
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: Jamie Sykes is a baseball player, so the first thing

623
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: is he's gonna throw a great pass um but he

624
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: pump fakes to get keep up in the air because

625
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: his wingspan, he needed to. So now when you're what

626
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: goes up must come down. When he's coming down, you're

627
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: throwing the pass. Bill Jenkins is, uh, great athlete, was

628
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: a volleyball player back in the day, and and really

629
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: could jump. Did a great job going up in traffic

630
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: catching it, and then obviously my brother knocks it down

631
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: and the ironies he thought the shot was short, and

632
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: he said he said God's Angel lifted that over because uh,

633
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: he really thought it was short. And then when it

634
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: goes in time expires. He dives on the floor and

635
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: everyone wants to know why did you dive on the

636
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: floor where he had Bill Jenkins running one way by

637
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: the other way. So that's like two six six guys

638
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: that bench pressed over three hundred pounds. You got to

639
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: hit the flour and and then everybody jumps on top

640
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: of the pile and you go into the locker room.

641
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: You celebrate, and uh, this was this was before I mean, now,

642
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: this before cell phones. This is old school, right. So

643
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: you go back to the hotel and everybody's going crazy.

644
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: You're watching the highlights, you got all the interviews. You

645
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: gotta unplug the phones from the wall of the hotel

646
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: because reporters and people are calling all night long trying

647
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: to get interviews, and and they don't know who they're calling,

648
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: they're just calling rooms. So you gotta Actually we had

649
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: to do bed check and make sure all the phones

650
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: were undone. But it was a great night, I can

651
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: tell you that for sure. What's crazy about What's what's

652
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: crazy about it to me is I don't think anybody

653
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: even realizes that then you had to go over time

654
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: to be Florida State the next game. Like it's almost

655
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: like that moment is so big and so iconic, like whatever,

656
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: having a Valp Like you didn't lose the next game,

657
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: you went and won the next game in in overtime,

658
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: and then got to play Rhode Island, who was an

659
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: unbelievable team, right the team at beat in Kansas. Uh

660
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: So with with with Florida State, I can tell you

661
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: one thing I remember, and this was when you remember.

662
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: You'd get to the arena and you'd watch the other

663
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: teams like is you're getting ready to get on the floor,

664
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: they're finishing up practice. And I remember with that Florida

665
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: State team, they had they if you and you probably

666
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: already know all the roster because you know everything, but

667
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: they had like four guys over six ten that could

668
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: just dunk. And I mean that whole team was so athletic,

669
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: and they were doing a dunk thing at the end

670
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: for the fans, and our guys were sitting there like, man,

671
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: even the managers are dunking them. Guys are athletics. And

672
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: I remember getting ready to play them, the only thing

673
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: we said is no dunks, all right, because we know

674
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: they can do that real well. And and again that

675
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: was a great team. Coach Robinson, I believe coached that

676
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: team and and we ended up winning that game in

677
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: overtime and then what what what transpired on the way

678
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: before we played Rhode Island was we're coming back and

679
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: everybody flies commercial back in those days. And I remember

680
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: we're coming back and and we're getting we're getting pulling

681
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: up on the campus and literally we we have to

682
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: stop a block before getting to our the arc, which

683
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: is uh the Valpore Arena, because it is packed with

684
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: people and and and so we didn't want to get

685
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: off the bus because we didn't know what was gonna

686
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: what was gonna go on, And it was kind of

687
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: like those movies where you have the uh, like the

688
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: rock stars pull up and everyone's shaking the bus and

689
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: knocking on the windows, and it was it was it

690
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: was like that environment. And the security guards came on

691
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: said we'll form a tunnel. So right away us coaches,

692
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: being smart, we made Bill and Bob lead us through

693
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: and we just followed them because everybody got out of

694
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: their way, and then went in and did a spontaneous

695
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: pep rally and then then Rhode Island. What people don't

696
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: really realize was, remember coach Erck coach Rhode Island, and

697
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: he'd already won a national championship at u c l A.

698
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: But his son, uh Jim Herrick Jr. Was on our

699
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: staff for a year at Boupo. He had won uh

700
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: Reebok at the time and he was on the staff.

701
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: So basically you had two Drews coaching against two Drews

702
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: and a Herrick coaching against another American. That I mean,

703
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: uh Jim uh a little Herrick. I mean it was

704
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: it was for serious bragging rights. That guy was more

705
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: intense that week in practice than I've ever seen him

706
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: because he did not want to who's to his dad?

707
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: And that was a great game, went down to the wire.

708
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: They ended up winning. And uh. I remember after we're

709
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: we're condoling our team. Uh the security guard knocks on

710
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: the door and he's like, coach, you're gonna have to

711
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: bring the team back. And he says, when you need

712
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: to bring the team back, he goes, none of the

713
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: Valpo fans have left the arena. You got to bring

714
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: the team back and and and and thank them or

715
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: wave to him so that they'll leave the arena. And

716
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: they just stayed out there chanting for the Outpo team

717
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: to come back. Out players went out acknowledge the crowd

718
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: and uh then they finally would leave the arenas so

719
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: the security guards could clean up. But that that that's

720
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: what I remember about that one. How did it work

721
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: with your dad handing the job off to you? Was

722
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: he did he get sick and that's why he had

723
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: to step aside? Or was he just did he needed

724
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: a break? Because this is in I'm gonna say what

725
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: two thousand one two to right, he stepped aside for

726
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: your and you took over. How did that actually take place? Well?

727
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: He he At that point, I thought about, maybe do

728
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: I get in the administration and uh become an athletic

729
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: director or assist with the president. But basically he was

730
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: he was he was needing to needing to break from

731
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: coaching or wanted to see. Uh he was young enough,

732
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: where do I do I do something else the uh

733
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: with the rest of my life? And he knew I

734
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a head coach, and um I know,

735
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: Uh it was a great opportunity for me, and UH

736
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I never would want

737
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: him to step away to to give me an opportunity,

738
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: but I really thought that it was God's timing. From

739
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: the standpoint, UH, he wanted to pursue some other things

740
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: that we see what else was was out there, and

741
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: he wanted to work on his golf game a little bit,

742
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: and he wanted to do some things, uh with the

743
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: family and UM, so at that point, UH he steps down,

744
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: I take over. UM he's a special assistant to the president.

745
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: And then UH I coached for a year and to

746
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: to just fast forward after the year being out and

747
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: and and basically UH figuring out his golf game on

748
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: wasn't can improve that much and that he liked. He

749
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: liked UH working at the university and doing some different

750
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: things like that, but at the same time, he really

751
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: missed the competitive part of basketball. And and if the

752
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: job hadn't opened at Baylor, UM, he was at that

753
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: point thinking about UH trying to get back into coaching

754
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: or maybe the NBA, but he wanted to do something

755
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: again with basketball. So it worked out perfect. After one year,

756
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: I went to Baylor and he was able to go

757
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: back into coaching. And I think you've heard this sometimes too.

758
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean, coaching is such a grind, and after doing

759
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: it to twenty thirty years, it's kind of like teachers.

760
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: You know, every how many years they do a sabbatical

761
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: where they can refresh or pastors do that, and I

762
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: think that's what he was able to do. And then

763
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: and then it worked out great. He's back coaching, and

764
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: then my brother finishes up his playing career and then

765
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: he coaches with my dad, which my dad loves, and

766
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: he gets an opportunity to help uh shape and mold

767
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: Bryce's coaching career, and uh they have another great run

768
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: at a VAPO before um uh he retires and my

769
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: brother takes over. There you when you took over the

770
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: Baylor job. That this is right about when I had

771
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: started in media, and um, I had known some of

772
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: the stuff that was going on before you got Like

773
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: no one knew kind of the depth of it or

774
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: how they would handle it. Um, but you know it's

775
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: it's about as I it's about as bad a situation

776
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: as anyone can walk into. How how did it happen?

777
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: Like take me through your the your head coach at BALPO,

778
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: taking off your dad's program. You do it for a

779
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: year and now you have this national story about Baylor,

780
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: the nation's biggest Baptist school, and uh, this terrible tragedy

781
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: and all the things going on. How did you how

782
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: did you get the job? Well? Uh, first and foremost

783
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: we had. It was it was different because the job

784
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: wasn't filled until late August and and normally, as you know,

785
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: most coaching jobs are filled in April. So we're getting

786
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: ready to start our season. And um uh Bob Bode

787
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: in his search firm. Uh they were the ones that

788
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: did the search, and UH Tim Floyd at that time

789
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: had coached my brother with the Bulls and UH with

790
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: the Hornets, and he had thought, uh, he had reached

791
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: out and thought that that would be a great opportunity

792
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: and something similar to what my dad did it at

793
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: Valparaiso University, and UH being at Iowa State and knowing

794
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: about Baylor in the Big twelve, thought that, uh, that

795
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: could be a really good situation for me. So I

796
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: talked to uh the leadership at Bay at the time

797
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: and knew what their their vision was for the program

798
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: and um how they wanted to do it and prayed

799
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: about it and felt read to go there. And my, my, my, my,

800
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: Like UH you said, he had a three prong UH

801
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: goal list, And one of my goals was always to

802
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: to coach at a place where you could go to

803
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: Final four's and UH compete for national championships and at

804
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: Valpo and mid major schools you can always do that,

805
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: but obviously at power five schools, Uh, the percentages are greater.

806
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: Um to do that, And um, my dad had an

807
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to start and build a program, and I thought

808
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: this was a chance for me to do the same thing.

809
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: And I had had the blue print and it's spent

810
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: a lot of time helping my dad with a Valpo,

811
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: So I felt very comfortable and being able to take

812
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: on a challenge like that. And uh then from there, Uh,

813
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you and I know

814
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: there was a lot of work to do, so uh,

815
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: time kind of flew and one year who led to

816
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: two years to three years to four years, and uh,

817
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: finally it was it was up and running and now

818
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: it is where it is today. The first year you

819
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: kind of take over and you just kind of try

820
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: and make it work right and just kind of get

821
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: it through. The second year was the year, which is

822
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: the when when did you have six players? So the

823
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: first year that that's um when we had like six

824
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: scholarship players. We started the year I think at seven

825
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: and then or eight and then um we had some

826
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: academic issues, some suspension issues, and you get down to

827
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: six players, and uh, the one thing I remember about

828
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: the first year was the biggest thing we had to

829
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: do was a walk on tryout. We not only had

830
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: to have walk ons, but we it was a walk

831
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: on dream. You could be on the team and play,

832
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: so it was a great deal for walk ons. And

833
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: I remember going around campus and we're trying to find

834
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: anybody with height. And I remember Coach Driscoll and I

835
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: one evening were Fizzoli's and we're at the drive through

836
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: on the way back to the office and there's a

837
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: six eight guy and we're like, where do you go

838
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: to school? And he's like, I go to Baylor And

839
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: I said, where do you live? Your sophomore where you

840
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: gotta come to tryouts? And then never heard from him again.

841
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: And then we spent the next week trying to find him.

842
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: And obviously he didn't go to Baylor, other otherwise we'd

843
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: have found him. But we have this walk on tryout

844
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: and we show up for the walk on tryout and

845
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: when we get down there, there's there's there's some heights

846
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: and there's some athleticism, and we're like, well, where did

847
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: this come for? We're pretty excited. We call everyone over

848
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: and we say, all right, we need to know what

849
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: year you are at Baylor, where you live at Baylor.

850
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: And one of the questions is, wait, we actually have

851
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: to go to Baylor, and the answers, yes, you got

852
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: to be a student here. So we had had kids

853
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: from junior colleges, We had had people from Dallas. They

854
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: had driven down thinking you didn't have to go to

855
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: Baylor and you could just walk on the team at Baylor.

856
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: So right away we had to get rid of all

857
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: those those people and then tryouts went down to what

858
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: they normally look like when you have a lot of

859
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: walk ons, and that's a lot of guys under six

860
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: to you know. So anyway, uh from real promising walk

861
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: out try out to a little more reality. But we

862
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: were able to find some guys that really worked hard,

863
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: really competed, and really helped lay the foundation for the

864
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: future recruits we brought into the program. And and that

865
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: year was was was a remarkable year from the standpoint

866
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: nobody thought we'd win a game and we ended up

867
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: winning three games. And um, I can remember the celebrations

868
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: in the locker room after one of them. I say,

869
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: three three conference games and the next you won one. Uh.

870
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: When reality came in. How did you know once you

871
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: start bringing in recruits. Now, we really didn't have a

872
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: chance to recruit because by the time you take the job,

873
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: it's late August, so most of the players have already committed,

874
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: and then you're looking at a more late signing period

875
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: or getting transfers and they have to sit out. So,

876
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: as you know, it's hard winning with with new players

877
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve, let alone guys that that probably

878
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: um weren't as highly recruited either. Well, then they had

879
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: that thing your third year, you had no non conference games, right,

880
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: and that was that was something. Uh, if anyone ever

881
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: has that happened to them where they get it only

882
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: a conference season, we're the only ones, were the experts

883
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: because we're the only ones that have ever gone through

884
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: something like that. And and that was probably one of

885
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: the most difficult things is uh, we recruited uh a

886
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: really good class of talented class and that class kind

887
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: of turned the corner as far as competing and winning

888
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: and helped lead us to the to the n c

889
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: A Tournament. But going into the locker room when we

890
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: found out in year three that we weren't going to

891
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: have a non conference and telling the players that and

892
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: then uh, seeing how they how bought in they were

893
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: to the program that they were gonna stay in in

894
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: in practice and competing. Talk about a tough thing. I mean,

895
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: imagine doing drill work and practices all the way up

896
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: to January. I mean that that's not the easiest thing

897
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: to do. And everyone's having uh midnight madness, and everyone's

898
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: having Opening Night, and everyone's having all their Thanksgiving tournaments

899
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: and then the Christmas tournaments and we're still practicing. Um,

900
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: so that was tough. And what was really hard about

901
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: that though, was here's how I equated to when you're

902
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: on the freeway. Everybody's driving sixty five in Texas, it

903
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: might be seventy five, but when you're getting on the

904
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: ramp to get on, you're going four and even you

905
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: go fifty sixty and you've got to catch up. Well,

906
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: that's what it's like when you don't play a nonconference schedule.

907
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you you can drill to your blue in

908
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: the face, but games are different. As you know, the

909
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: adrenaline is different, the energy is different. And and then

910
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: so we wait that long to play the first couple

911
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: of games. And then when you played the first couple

912
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: of games. You're terrible because you're just adjusting and getting

913
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: used to playing. And that's why you play a nonconference

914
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: to prepare you for conference. So the worst thing was

915
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: seeing us not be successful after we'd waited that long

916
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: to play games. It was there ever a point and

917
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: that year, you know, not not only did they you're

918
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: not allowed to play nonconference, but you open up the

919
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: conference play on the road at this tech tech right

920
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: what I think was coached by Bob Not at that time. Yes, sir, yeah, yeah,

921
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: so hey listen, no non conference games. Then let'sten, we're

922
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna start you off on the road attack.

923
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: Uh then yeah, and then home Eddie Sutton in Oaklahoma State,

924
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: and then you go on the road to Colorado. Know,

925
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: those are your first three games. And I might be wrong.

926
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: I think we even got to buy. I think the

927
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: first week we might have had to buy. Then we

928
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: went to Texas Tech Um because I think they had

929
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: to buy that year. But I remember we started the

930
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: game against Yes, you started with the buy, so you

931
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: didn't play until January eleven and everybody else had played

932
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: like we needed to buy. Huh. So the toughest the

933
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: toughest thing was we started against Tech and you know what,

934
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: we come out and I think we score our first

935
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: four out of five buckets, and and and then all

936
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden the wheels came off, you know. But

937
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: we were pretty apt to play in the beginning of

938
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: the game, that's for sure. It's kind of like running

939
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: your first marathon. You know, you come out of the

940
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: gates truly fast, and I go, snap, I got twenty

941
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: six miles to sti't go so the next so I

942
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: would say that year though, one of the guys who

943
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: turned her program was Curtis Gerald's right and c J

944
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: if I remember, wasn't he from Austin. It was from

945
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: aust And Henry Dugat was from Houston area, and then

946
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: uh Kevin Rodgers was from Dallas and those three really

947
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: uh um did a great job in helping lead that

948
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: rebuilding and by the end of conference they had they

949
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: had shown the league that these guys were pretty talented

950
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: and they was going to be pretty good in the future.

951
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: Uh you didn't make the tournament you won was a

952
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: twenty eight games in two thousand nine two ten. So

953
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: how do you if somebody's sitting at home and that

954
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: year you go all the way to the lead eight

955
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: and duke and the charge call, etcetera, etcetera. How how

956
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: do you do? How do you turn a program from

957
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: one that you know, five years before didn't have a Scott,

958
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: you know, didn't have a non conference game to win

959
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: in twenty eight games and losing to the eventual national

960
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: champions in like a one two possession game. How how

961
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: did that change happen? Well? I think I think everybody

962
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: always talks about you gotta have goals, you gotta have dreams,

963
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: you gotta have visions. But it's the journey, it's the process,

964
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: and every day, if you're just trying to do everything

965
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: you can to get better that day, then before long

966
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: you're you're there. And I know, as corny as that sounds,

967
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we had so much work to do to

968
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: bring in players and still the culture, um uh build

969
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: what Baylor basketball is today that people like, didn't you

970
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: get discouraged? Didn't you get down? When you're that busy,

971
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: you don't really have time to get down or discourage

972
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 1: because you're just trying to make the most of each

973
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: and every day, and then before long, you're there. And

974
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean there is no substitute for hard work, and

975
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: there is no substitute uh for doing everything you can

976
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: to win the day. And that's basically what we did.

977
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: And and it took a little longer than some some

978
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: uh places. But at the same time, UH, we've the

979
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: favorite my favorite stat uh and it's going to change

980
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: this year um uh because UH North Carolina didn't win eighteen,

981
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: but for the last twelve seasons. If you look at

982
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: the hour five, UM, there's Kansas North Carolina Duke in Kentucky,

983
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: So now North Carolina will be out uh. And then

984
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: you have Michigan State and Baylor are the only Power

985
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: of five schools to win eighteen or more games for

986
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: thirteen straight years now since the season is over right now,

987
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: and that's that's thirteen years of a lot of consistency

988
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: in you and I know how hard it is to

989
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: be consistent at this level year in and year out

990
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: with all the transfers, the one and dunns and everything

991
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: else that affects programs. I would also say that that

992
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: run to the n i T Finals against Penn State,

993
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: uh here because you made the n c A Tournament.

994
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: UM was in two thousand eight, right, So you make

995
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: the n c A Tournament and all those guys, all

996
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: those guys you said, you know, Henry Dugott and Curtis

997
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: generals get a chance to play in the tournament, But

998
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: then to to see yourself winning in the postseason. And

999
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: granted the tournament is great and it's an unbelievable accomplishment,

1000
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: but to win several games, to win four or five games,

1001
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: and to get to achieving game where you're one of

1002
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: only a handful teams still playing. I thought that was

1003
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: a big, big part of your programs build for the

1004
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: long term, am I. And and it really helped you

1005
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: the next year when you went to the lead eight. Absolutely,

1006
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: Uh that that's the coaching and you're right there, because, uh,

1007
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: going to the tournament's outstanding, but winning in postseason is

1008
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: just different. And if you win in the n I

1009
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: T and you get a chance to go to a

1010
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: final four in Madison Square, Guarden um that experience. Uh.

1011
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: If you ask players, most of them will tell you

1012
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: that's better than losing in the first round of the

1013
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: n c A tournament. Um. And I mean, the n

1014
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: I T does an unbelievable job putting on a tremendous program,

1015
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: But there's something about, uh, win or go home mentality

1016
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: winning in postseason, it's just different. And when you get

1017
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: to a final four and with us UM the first

1018
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: time we got into the n c A Tournament. I

1019
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: will tell you a quick story on that um and

1020
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: that is Joe Nardi thought we were in and so

1021
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: you feel like you're good when he says you're in.

1022
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: But this is in the beginning of his career, so

1023
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: he didn't have that long track record. But so we

1024
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: have CBS come in their their broadcasting, you know, the

1025
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: UH Selection Show, and it's the first time they was

1026
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: going to go to the tournament in twenty years, and

1027
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: we're the last team called. So we have about a

1028
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: thousand people maybe there filled the arena flour We're all

1029
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: watching the selection show and team by team by team

1030
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: by team goes when you get down to the last team,

1031
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: and at that point you're like, what do we tell

1032
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: these people that are here expecting us to get in?

1033
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: And then you get in. I don't know if I've

1034
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: ever celebrated as loud and as hard for the next

1035
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: five seconds as I did right there. And that was

1036
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: a great accomplishment for Baylor basketball. Then what you said

1037
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: winning in the postseason that got that tradition going, and

1038
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: that definitely enabled us to have that elite eight UH run.

1039
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: But then a couple of years later we actually won

1040
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: the n i T Championship. And I'll tell you what,

1041
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: cutting down the nets in Madison Square Garden, that's a

1042
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: memory that that will stick with those guys for a

1043
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: lifetime as well. And it goes back to what you said,

1044
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: winning in postseason is just special. Um, when did you?

1045
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: When did you? And I know I get him played

1046
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: nearly as much zone here last couple of years, but

1047
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: you started to become known for the zone. Where did

1048
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 1: that come from? Well, we we had we had been recording.

1049
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: We've always tried to attract the best players that fit

1050
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: our program and then adjust our style based on our personnel.

1051
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: So for a stretch there, we had a really long

1052
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: UH team. And Um, when you had Anthony Jones at

1053
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: six ten, six eleven at the three. Sometimes it's hard

1054
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: for six eleven guys to guard guards, but you know what,

1055
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 1: you put him in his zone. It's hard for guards

1056
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: just war over and we've had some really big three

1057
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: men from Anthony Jones to six ten, Quincy Miller Um

1058
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: Torrean Prince at six ft eight UH so just with

1059
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: the length that we had, um, we started playing zone

1060
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: and then we were successful with it too, because we've

1061
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: had some elite shot blockers and putting them at the

1062
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: rim like udo. Uh that that got us to the

1063
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: Elite eight. And and then so in in you used

1064
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: to Duke who wins it all? And you're like, man,

1065
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: we could have won a national championship. Then in then

1066
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, sorry, little man's uh done with homeschool

1067
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: and he's asking for recess. Uh, but uh in twelve

1068
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: we have um uh we use to Kentucky who ends

1069
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: up winning it all, and you're like, man, they were

1070
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: pretty good at Anthony Davis, but we were really good

1071
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: that year too, and uh, like that, you could have

1072
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: won it there. And then we went to the sweet sixteen,

1073
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: lost Wisconsin who went to the final four. And then

1074
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: we were ranked number one and lost to South Carolina

1075
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: who went to the final four. So we know it's

1076
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: just a matter of time. And obviously we would have

1077
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: loved this year having a chance to be a number

1078
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: number one seed or uh obviously the highest seed if

1079
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: it would have been a one or even a two

1080
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: in Baylor history, to see if we could have broke

1081
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: through and won a national championship. All right, So the

1082
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: bad part is that this team you're gonna lose ban

1083
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: Do Gillespie at least, right, Um, and maybe you know

1084
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: there's there's a you know, you have a handful of seniors,

1085
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: you have some other guys that have some decisions to make. Um.

1086
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: But you know, Tristan Clark should be healthier next year

1087
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: with the knee, right, you would, you would, you would think,

1088
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: although maybe that's a side discussion for here's a kid

1089
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: who's been rehabbing the knee and now he can't get

1090
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: around the trainers to help him rehab his knee. It's

1091
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: got a stink. But um, let's just talk this team

1092
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: because this was a you had this magnificent run over

1093
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: the last year and a half with with with most

1094
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: of this this group, I've talked to Bill self about

1095
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: and Bills like and obviously their scale is different in Kansas,

1096
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: and his thing is, you're not gonna win an ASK title,

1097
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: get to the final four every year. You want to

1098
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: put yourself inisation where the bad years you compete for

1099
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: league title obviously is bad years won a league tied,

1100
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: but the bad years and then there's some years where

1101
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: you just know, hey, we got a shot to win

1102
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Coming into this season, what were your

1103
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: personal expectations of your team? Well, I thought I thought

1104
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: we could win a national championship. But um, if you're

1105
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: asking me, did I think our team would win twenty

1106
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: three straight games? Yeah, that's we would be ranked number

1107
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: one longer than anyone since Kentucky. And did I think

1108
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: we'd win fifteen conference games? Did I think we'd win

1109
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: fifteen conference games that not win a league title? The

1110
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: answer would have been, Uh, you always have best case,

1111
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: you have worst case, And obviously when you win twenty

1112
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: three in a row, that's best case because that means

1113
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: you've avoided injuries, you've had great depth. You haven't had uh,

1114
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: you've had everyday guy. And I mean that you you

1115
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: understand the Big twelve. You know the Big twelve as

1116
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: well as anybody, if not better. And I mean to

1117
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 1: break Kansas record of twenty two straight wins and get

1118
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: twenty three. I mean that record. Who knows how long

1119
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: this one will hold up because it's hard to win

1120
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,479
Speaker 1: twenty three straight games, especially in the Big twelve. Oh well,

1121
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, let's forget the home court advantage. Of the town.

1122
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: Of the teams that coaches are are are fantastic. Um.

1123
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: We used to have at Oklahoma State, like right before

1124
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: the season would start, we would have we coach you,

1125
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: Collis in and all assistants to be there and we

1126
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: just kind of talk about, you know, like, what do

1127
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: you think your role is? What do the coaches think

1128
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: your role is? Do you guys have that? Do you

1129
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: have that with these guys? Like, because the thing that

1130
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: was most impressive, and again this is from a far

1131
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: watching your team is you got your team, knew their roles. Now,

1132
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: granted you allow a lot of your your wings to

1133
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: have offensive freedom, so it's good too. But you know, um,

1134
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: you know you have one guy who doesn't really you know,

1135
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: you know, you don't run any place form mark, and

1136
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: yet he played harder than anybody because he knew his role.

1137
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: How did you go about establishing roles or did the

1138
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: organically take place by themselves? Great question? And uh, if

1139
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: it works, coaches should always take credit for it, correct, um,

1140
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: because when it done work, we definitely take the blame

1141
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: for it. But I would tell you that this this

1142
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: is a really uh was a great group to coach

1143
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: from a couple of standpoints. One. Um, it was a

1144
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: real blue collar, hard working group that wasn't entitled. And um,

1145
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean they were always in the gym, and they

1146
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: had great respect for one another because they saw how

1147
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: hard each other worked. And then because they were always together,

1148
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: they really liked one another, and then they enjoyed being together.

1149
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: So what happened was, Uh, we always say player led

1150
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: teams are better than coach led teams every day at

1151
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: a week and twice on Sunday. So um, this was

1152
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: a player led team that did a great job. When

1153
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: someone was hot, they would feed him the ball. They

1154
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: put the ego aside because they really liked one another

1155
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: and I think cared for one another and respected one another,

1156
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: so it was easier for them to buy into their roles.

1157
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: And and I mean this it was a team that

1158
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: wasn't we We didn't have a lot of seniors, but

1159
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: we had a lot of older guys. And sometimes it's

1160
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: easier for older guys to understand their roles, uh, and

1161
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: and take their roles than somebody who maybe it's their

1162
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: first go around in college and doesn't have that experience.

1163
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: And uh, this group again, nowadays in college basketball, you

1164
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: know it with the parody each and every night, and

1165
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: one team just shows up with their B game and

1166
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: they get beat and it's not even close. And we

1167
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: lost some games, but you know what, we always showed

1168
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: up and competed, and uh that that that's a blessing

1169
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: As a coach. You've also looked you've had some very

1170
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: very highly touted guys. The highest ranked guy you have

1171
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: on this roster was davy On Mitchell, who went to Auburn,

1172
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: who's a transfer and you know he's been around on

1173
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: your program. He gives him a chance to to to

1174
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: buy into the culture. I mean, like, look, you didn't

1175
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: have there's no McDonald's all Americans on this team. You've

1176
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: had them in the past. So I guess the question

1177
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: becomes is it a is this a better um? The

1178
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: expression is our kind of guys? Like? Oh kgs right?

1179
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: Are these more you're kind of guy? Does this stop

1180
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: you from recruiting the uber elites in Texas and Louisiana

1181
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: which you have gone after, or is this simply or

1182
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: is this as an outlier that you keep going after

1183
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: the big boys and you take who you can get, Like,

1184
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: because this was not the most highly touted crew, I

1185
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: think I think I think the true question is who

1186
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: we um, who we think fits our program, and who

1187
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: we think uh is a good player for our program.

1188
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is sometimes you get

1189
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: a guy ranked twenty and then you get a guy

1190
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: ranked a hundred and twentieth, and you're like, the guy

1191
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: is going to produce and fit in and be a

1192
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: lot more effective player than the guy ranked twenty. But

1193
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: if you get the guy who ranked twentieth, everybody thinks

1194
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: it's a better player, better recruit. You're doing a great

1195
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: job and actuality. Really, if you're doing your job, you're

1196
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: bringing in the best for you and your program. So

1197
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: to answer that question, someone ranked number one in the

1198
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: nation and fits what we do and and and we

1199
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: think uh and what I mean fits what we do.

1200
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: We want guys that are gonna want to work. We're

1201
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: gonna want guys that are not going to be entitled.

1202
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: They're gonna be coachable, and they want to get better,

1203
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: and they're great teammates. And it doesn't matter if you're

1204
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: ranked one or your ranked two. We want those qualities.

1205
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: And if you have those qualities, then you're gonna fit

1206
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: in with us, because at the end of the day,

1207
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: you you played on teams that you like the guys,

1208
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: and you played on teams where you didn't really like

1209
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: the guys. If you like who's on your team, you've

1210
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: got a much better chance of winning, no question about it.

1211
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: Um the Kansas win. Uh, Look, there's there's lots of

1212
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: wins you can get in the Big twelve which feel

1213
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,439
Speaker 1: really good. Right, you're going to aims to beat Iowa State,

1214
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: it's awesome. They've got a great home crowd. Anytime you

1215
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: beat Texas and you're at Baylor, you know about the

1216
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: Brasos whatever, you win those games that those are big.

1217
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: But to beat Kansas at Kansas, especially considering for you

1218
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: personally like selfish selves, had your had your number of

1219
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: people's numbers, He's had a lot, he's had a lot

1220
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: of people. Listen, Eddie Sutton never won in Lawrence, Kansas ever,

1221
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: never never want to never won a game and fog

1222
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: Allen field House. What was that like? What was that

1223
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: experience for a coach? Because you've accomplished everything outside of

1224
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: the Final four really, I guess, but in the big

1225
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: telet term, but you know you've you've beaten you've done everything.

1226
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: Now from a program that had six six players your

1227
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: first year and no nonconference games, but to win at Kansas?

1228
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: What was that? Like, I can tell you, um what

1229
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: was what was was great was the celebration in the

1230
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: locker room afterwards and what what the guys had been

1231
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: able to achieve? But um, what was what was really

1232
01:04:55,480 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: telling was I thought, Um, throughout the game, tam um,

1233
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: our guys never I mean we've we've been up there

1234
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: close so many times, and what what what the difference

1235
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: was in this game? When when in the second half

1236
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: we were able to make a run and then we

1237
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: never allowed Kansas to make their patent and runs. I

1238
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: mean I was I was sitting at home watching the game, thinking, right,

1239
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: here comes Kansas and then you guys did what no

1240
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: one does, which is you stepped on him, that you

1241
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: had him down east. Everybody else lets them back in.

1242
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: The crowd gets going crazy. There's that they always get.

1243
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: They make a bunch of free throws and they find

1244
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: a way to force overtime like Boba Huggins, Like every

1245
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: year it's on repeat with for the poor guy, and

1246
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: you guys didn't let that happen. You're seeing some games

1247
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: up there. I like your analysis. They're all they're all

1248
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: the same. It's hard. It's hard. People like I don't

1249
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: get it like that. It's not one, it's not it's

1250
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: not like I. You know, sometimes they get a lot

1251
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: of calls. They might just get one that's a backbreaker.

1252
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: But you guys never or let them ever really think

1253
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: they had a chance. That was the really that was

1254
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: really okay. Let's let's let's get to Kansas. Did beach

1255
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: at your place? You had you were going in the

1256
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: big tough tournament and you had lost three out of five.

1257
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: Had people in the league figured out how to guard you? Well?

1258
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: I think a couple of things. One, um, Kansas uh

1259
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: at our place? Um, I thought their adjustments were really good. Um,

1260
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: in a close game, you gotta make free throws. That's

1261
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: one thing we did not do. We did not do it. TCUCU. Yes.

1262
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: And and if you're gonna win a close game, you

1263
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: have to make free throws. And what I mean make

1264
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: free thros is you got to shoot around. You can't

1265
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: be in the fifties or sixties and win many close games.

1266
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: But I thought Kansas really made some good adjustments. And

1267
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: I thought, uh probably like up at their place, they

1268
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: had some shots that they missed, Uh that they did

1269
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: some things that you're like, Man, I can believe we

1270
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: missed that, or that that's a good look or so

1271
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: what I I would have loved. I know we were

1272
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: really excited about the Big twelve tournament. From the standpoint, Um,

1273
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: I think we had some adjustments now that we wanted

1274
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: to see how they would adjust our adjustments. Does that

1275
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: make sense? And it's hard coming off a game where

1276
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: you play you went up there, you're so successful, you're

1277
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: not gonna change a lot. Even though they had changed

1278
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: some of their things. Um, you don't change as much

1279
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: usually when when you have a pretty successful win. You know,

1280
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: and and Bill is a great Hall of Fame coach,

1281
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: uh does a tremendous job. And their teams don't beat themselves,

1282
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: so you gotta beat them. And up there you said

1283
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: we didn't allow them to make a run, and unfortunately

1284
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: at our place, Um, we couldn't. We couldn't put together

1285
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: a run at the end of the game either. So

1286
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have a third crack at it.

1287
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: I thought going into the last five games, Um, we

1288
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: were a little banged up. Everybody's banged up. Um, but

1289
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: I thought, uh, we had had a chance going in

1290
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve Tournament to be healthier than we've been

1291
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: in a while, and we had a chance to actually

1292
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: have some good competitive practices um to where I thought

1293
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: we had. We had an edge about us that that

1294
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: we hadn't been able to have in a while. So again,

1295
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: those teams that beat us, they beat us. Um, we

1296
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: were looking forward. I think we're hungry. I think we

1297
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,879
Speaker 1: were excited to play. I think we were getting healthier

1298
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: than we've been and we had an edge. So I

1299
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: woudn't really like to see what we could have done

1300
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve Tournament. You guys are an elite

1301
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: defensive team and an elite defensive rebounding team. What what about?

1302
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: What had you changed or what had you emphasized this

1303
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: year that really worked with this team because the defensive

1304
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: and defensive rebounding numbers are off the charts great, I

1305
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: mean right, like we always talked about ball going through

1306
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: the net, but the numbers are spectacular. Yeah. I think

1307
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: I think if you look at UH rebounding numbers for

1308
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: probably the last seven eight years, especially on the offensive end,

1309
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: had been really good. Um. Defensively, we got better the

1310
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: last couple of years to go along with our offensive numbers,

1311
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: especially in conference play. I believe last year we finished

1312
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: first and first and rebounding or second and first and

1313
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: offense and defensive rebounding. But um what what what fit

1314
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: our personnel was an aggressive man to man and and

1315
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: that's when you have Mark Bidle, who's up for Defensive

1316
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: Player of the Year Final four, uh, Davean Mitchell was

1317
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: top ten, and then in Big Twelve voting we had

1318
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: Freddy Westby was first team All Defense with Mark and Davean.

1319
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: When you have three guys that can really defend at

1320
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: that level, if if the more aggressive type defense and

1321
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: man to man defense you play benefits your team, and um,

1322
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: that's what we we we would fit us best and

1323
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: we were able to do. And I think, uh hence,

1324
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: uh when you can get some turnovers and getting transition,

1325
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: especially with the team as quick as us, it makes

1326
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: your offense even better. So, um, our defense really fed

1327
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: into our offense this year as well. And with the rebounding,

1328
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: that's just something I think. Uhh. We pride ourselves in

1329
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: a Baylor and our guys are really bought into. Yeah,

1330
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean just defense. Ken Palm fourth in the country

1331
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: is and obviously your third in the in the Ken

1332
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: Palm rankings to end the year, mentioned vital He's just

1333
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: one of those guys who I don't know he's I

1334
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: don't think he's an NBA player, you know, because you've

1335
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: got to be able to. But I wouldn't put it

1336
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: against him just because he's so competitive, right, and he's

1337
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 1: such an animal, uh, you know, in and around, in

1338
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: and around the basket. When you what was the process

1339
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: like to get him to come to Baylor? He was

1340
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: a pretty heavily recruited player. What was what was that like? Well,

1341
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: Mark Marks somebody we've had a long time relationship with

1342
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: and maybe it was his uh freshman sophomore year. I mean, uh,

1343
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: he came to Baylor for the first time and um

1344
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: uh that was before the rules where freshman couldn't come

1345
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: to campus and uh, young guys like that couldn't come.

1346
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: But uh he was. He was somebody that we've had

1347
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: some great players, uh, tweeted Carter Lacedair. He's done. Rico

1348
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: gathers from Louisiana and Mark with somebody that respected those guys,

1349
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: knew those guys, and Mark similar to uh, some of

1350
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: those guys from the standpoint everybody in the state knew

1351
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: him because I think it was in eighth grade he

1352
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: was dunking on people down there, and he was one

1353
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: of those guys that was just bigger than a lot

1354
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: of people, grew at an earlier age, and his athleticism

1355
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 1: was was known throughout the state. And then he's somebody

1356
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: that basketball wise and skill wise has always, uh continued

1357
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: improving you better. And he's an elite passer. He really

1358
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: passes the ball well. He's an unselfish player. But Mark's

1359
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: greatest quality his his toughness and his motor and his

1360
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: desire to win. And um, from that, you never have

1361
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: to worry about if a ball is on the four,

1362
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: who's gonna come up with it? Very similar to Rico gathers.

1363
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: If the balls on the floor, you just you know

1364
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 1: he's he's coming down with the nine out of ten times,

1365
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 1: and uh he's getting at nine out of ten times.

1366
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: And what what Mark does is translates to winning. And

1367
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,719
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned, uh was he an NBA player?

1368
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: And that's the great thing about Marcus. Each and every

1369
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: year he's been a Baylor, he's improved in some area

1370
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: and he continues to improve in different areas, and uh,

1371
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: eventually he's somebody that I think we'll have a chance

1372
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: to play in the NBA because, uh, everybody wants a

1373
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: defensive stopper, everybody wants somebody who can move the ball.

1374
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: Everyone wants a winner, wants a great teammate. So, uh,

1375
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: there's there's some people in the NBA. I mean, remember

1376
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: Tony Allen was an unbelievable defender and UH player for

1377
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. UH p J. Tucker had some of some

1378
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: of that UH intimate Texas And again, I think Mark

1379
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: continues to get better and improve, and when I tall

1380
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,560
Speaker 1: said and done at Baylor University, he's gonna have a

1381
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: chance maybe to become the all time UH wins leader.

1382
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: Off to check and see that because, um, at the

1383
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: end of the year, we really couldn't get all those

1384
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: numbers because we had to get out of out of

1385
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: the campus and everything. So once we're able to get

1386
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,719
Speaker 1: back with the virus, we'll figure out all that stuff.

1387
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 1: But again, those are things that Mark just brings in.

1388
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: Is you know, like you were at the front of

1389
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 1: the defense and Davian Mitchell at the front of our

1390
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,480
Speaker 1: defense set the tone, and then Mark with his versatility

1391
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: to guard one through five and then and then Freddie

1392
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: protecting the rim and uh really Uh, everybody else on

1393
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: the team, Uh was motivated and improved because of that

1394
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: and really bought into that, and hence you have the

1395
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 1: fourth best defense in the country. Yeah. It's interesting though,

1396
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: because so many teams have taken too this really loading

1397
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: up in the basketball. You're not necessarily pressuring that the

1398
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,480
Speaker 1: next past you guys really pressuring you guys. Obviously versatility

1399
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: with Mark at the four and have room protections a

1400
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: little bit different, but your style was a little bit

1401
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: different and was really really successful and took teams out

1402
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: of what they want to do, which which kind of

1403
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: brings me to the last point. Right, everyone respected your

1404
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: zone and then you had a couple. It wasn't like

1405
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: and everybody. It wasn't like you have one zone. You

1406
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: had a couple of different zone zone looks Now, you've

1407
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: shown the versatility several times in your career to be

1408
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: a very good man coach. The consistency of success is there.

1409
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: You're not doing it with the top five recruits in

1410
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: the country, and you're able to do it at at Baylor,

1411
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, a private school that's been through kind of

1412
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: their own issues in other areas of the University. It's

1413
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: really impressive. You've never, like this the most impressive thing

1414
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,959
Speaker 1: to me, You've never lashed out when people have questioned

1415
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 1: you and your coaching like that. You know, never like

1416
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: you smiled and taking the high road or whatever. How

1417
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: hard is that for you to not do that? Like?

1418
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: Where does that that? That? I mean? I know that

1419
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: some of that comes from your dad and your faith,

1420
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: but I've literally never heard you'd be snarky in any way,

1421
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: and you know that's not my way. I would totally

1422
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: be starking. You have not how do you do that? Well?

1423
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: Everybody has their own talents and abilities, and UH, I

1424
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: can tell you one thing though. We're all human and

1425
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: every one of us would rather be praised than than

1426
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: uh criticized. So does it? Does it affect affects everybody different,

1427
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: bothers people different? Um. At the end of the day,

1428
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: in sports, when you're in the arena, you're you're open

1429
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: to criticism and everyone is entitled to their opinion. And

1430
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: I know the biggest thing is always what we say,

1431
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: control what we can control. And after each game, UH,

1432
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: as a player coach, I always say the number one

1433
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 1: thing is start with yourself. What could I have done better.

1434
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: And the day you can't improve yourself is the day

1435
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: you're not going to get better. And obviously the team

1436
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: is not going to get better. So, UM, I know

1437
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: after each game there's things I wish I'd do different

1438
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: because you see they didn't work out. Um. I think, uh,

1439
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 1: my my ability to uh and when I say, ability

1440
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: to talk to my dad, talk to my brother, talk

1441
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: to other people that I trust in the profession and

1442
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: get their opinions in their support throughout the years, that

1443
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 1: obviously has helped things. I know. Uh. Early on, uh,

1444
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: coach Dale Brown really helped me out a lot because um,

1445
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,560
Speaker 1: he had he had had his fair share of criticism

1446
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: and uh his way and when it was a little

1447
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: different to you, he was to fight back a little

1448
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: bit more. But UM, it's great when you have people

1449
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: that uh, you can confide in and then and then

1450
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: if they agree, yeah, you should have done this and

1451
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: this and this, it makes it easier. And you know

1452
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: they're objective and you know they love you and they

1453
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: care care about you and they want you to they

1454
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: want the best for you. But um, going back to

1455
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: the beginning, and that is uh. Uh. I think any

1456
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: player would rather be told how good they are rather

1457
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: than than criticized. And every coach is the same way,

1458
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: every humans the same way. So um uh at the

1459
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: end of the day, uh, you know, someone's gonna win,

1460
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: someone's gonna lose, and your job is just to do

1461
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: the best that you can and improve each day and

1462
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: if you keep getting better, as you know, over time,

1463
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 1: things will take care of themselves. One piece of advice

1464
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: you gave to Bryce, he's got he's taken. Just take

1465
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 1: a new job of Grand Canyon. Obviously. Uh. He did

1466
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: a great job at Valpo and then at Vantage it

1467
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 1: started out awesome and that did not end awesome and

1468
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: it was like three years of his bam was really quick.

1469
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: Did you you talk about things that you can learn

1470
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: from Was there anything you offered in terms of advice

1471
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:30,560
Speaker 1: this time around for Bryce? Well? Uhum. I think uh

1472
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:35,560
Speaker 1: first and foremost was making sure that uh um, he's

1473
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 1: They always say higher slow and fire fast, and I

1474
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: think hiring your staff as a coach is the most

1475
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 1: important thing. And I know he's in the middle of

1476
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 1: doing that. And then after that, um, it'll be a

1477
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: process of bringing in the players that his his culture.

1478
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: But I know, um, in coaching again, you're only as

1479
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: good as your staff and your players. And you look

1480
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: at it when when Darius wasn't Darius Garland wasn't injured,

1481
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: I think they weren't defeated. And if he doesn't get injured,

1482
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: the most important part, uh, most important piece of any

1483
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: team is your point guard. And uh when when he

1484
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: went out, obviously it really changed things for them. And

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01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: um kind of like if Lebron went out or uh no,

1486
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: they built they built the whole thing around him, right

1487
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: and the guys only a freshman and then they go

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01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: in the sec and yeah, like you know, I can,

1489
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 1: we can let me let Bryce refight, refight that battle.

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01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: But it's a it's a hard Okay, here's the last

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01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: one and then I'll let you go. I know you

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01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: gotta you got to. You gotta be the pe coach

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01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: for your for your kids. Um. Okay, you mentioned that

1494
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: any time when you watch things, everybody can get better

1495
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: one thing that you personally want to improve on from

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01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 1: this year to next. It's a good question, um uh,

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01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: because there are several things that that they don't want

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01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: to get better at. But I don't know if I

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01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: need to tell you them, moll so so so, so

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01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: we'll just we'll just keep it by the numbers. I

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01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: think um our assisted turnover ratio can definitely get better

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01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: and that will improve our offensive efficiency. Um. The second

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01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: thing uh that can get better is our free throw

1504
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: shooting down the stretch wasn't near what we were capable of.

1505
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: We we should have been a scent free throw shooting

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01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: team and that's that's got to get fixed or get

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01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 1: get back to where it should be. And then uh um.

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01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: The third thing with that um defensively, UH, I know

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01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: we did some different things this year, and we instilled

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01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 1: a lot of different stuff. So as a coach, you

1511
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: never want to throw in too much. You want to

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01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: whatever you do, you want to do well. I think UM,

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01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 1: with the personnel being uh somewhat similar, we'll be able

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01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,879
Speaker 1: to add some more things to the defense um to

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01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: to even make it more effective now because it's kind

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01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: of like once you put the foundation in now you

1517
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 1: can start adding floors and the way as two things.

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01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: And uh um, since we don't have a lot of turnover, UM,

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01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: we'll be able to do that. And that's why most

1520
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: people have us predicted uh top five. Depending on what

1521
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: happens or transpires with other teams in our guys, Well

1522
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: I can, I can I offer one outside perspective on

1523
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 1: a on a thought. Okay, so here's my You're never

1524
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: normally ask you just give it. I do. But but

1525
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: it's a podcast. Albertended, this is so instead of sending

1526
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: you a text, hey I saw this, I just this is.

1527
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: I think your program has turned the corner from trying

1528
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: to because I don't I don't think the common fan

1529
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: and and common fans probably may might not listen to

1530
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: this podcast. There's a lot of hoop guys, right, We've

1531
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: got like a hundred thousand downloads, so some of them.

1532
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: I think the common fan doesn't realize how big winning

1533
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: the league is. And it's a big in any league,

1534
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: but in the Big Twelve, because Kansas is done what

1535
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: they've done, you're focused so focused on winning the league.

1536
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 1: But I do think that during your season, be as

1537
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: now you are transitioning from a team that you want

1538
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: to win the league to one that, hey, you got

1539
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: a chance to win the whole thing. Um. It's kind

1540
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 1: of conversation I how with Tony Bennett after the U

1541
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: NBC loss, which is I think you should take different

1542
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: moments during the year to try things, whether it's a

1543
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: different defensive look, different defense, a different offensive, different lineups

1544
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: as well, because what I felt like happened to you,

1545
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: guys were so good. You know, you have three or

1546
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: four guys and go get buckets. And then I got,

1547
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, one or two guys that can get it

1548
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: off the rim if they miss, and slowly, like you said,

1549
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 1: people were adjusting to you, and you had yet to

1550
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 1: make the adjustment to their adjustment. I almost feel like

1551
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: you throw maybe not artificial adversity towards you, but instead

1552
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: of focusing on winning every game. Doesn't mean you don't

1553
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: want to win the game, but spend time in the

1554
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: first half to throw in a different lineup because you know,

1555
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 1: markets and foul trouble TCU. Right, um, how can you

1556
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: can you play left handed? Because you're gonna when you

1557
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: get to the n c A tournament, somebody's gonna get six,

1558
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: someone's gonna get hurt, someone's getting foul trouble, and you

1559
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: may have some some lineup and you almost, instead of

1560
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: trying to prepare to win just a big twelve, think

1561
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: about what it's gonna take to win six games in March,

1562
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: And I would say take a chance at the at

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01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: the one three, one that she had only taken a

1564
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: look at the practice. Take a chance at playing the

1565
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: is a mayor the tall white kid who yeah, he

1566
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: was bouncy, like look at him at the five and

1567
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: play five out and see what that that looks like. Like.

1568
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: That's just an idea from my side to one, I

1569
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: think it will some of those guys that got set

1570
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: into their roles of being the bench, it'll reinvigorate them.

1571
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: But two, to give you the confidence to um, give

1572
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: you a confidence to try something, to to not be

1573
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: and not be. Oh ship, we're in foul trouble. What

1574
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: do we do now we know we're gonna do. We're

1575
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: gonna switch to this laemup. And everybody starts not in

1576
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:58,480
Speaker 1: their head that that would be my my out, completely outside,

1577
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:02,759
Speaker 1: uneducated on what actually goes inside your coach's office. You

1578
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: educated if you gave it to Tony after after the

1579
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: first round losses and there wasn't championship with my My

1580
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: thing with my thing with my thing with Tony was

1581
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 1: he's like he and you know, he was so down,

1582
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 1: he's so down in himself and he felt like he

1583
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: let the kids down more than anything. And he's like,

1584
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,759
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't have Hunter, and the court really shrinks.

1585
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,759
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, had you tried to play

1586
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: small without DeAndre Hunter before? He's like no, He's like

1587
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: why would. I was like, because just because you know

1588
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: this is and um, you know he had lineups and

1589
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: and and I I also thought he the blocker mover

1590
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 1: is great and it's great to fall back on. But

1591
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: I said, you know, you need to challenge yourself to

1592
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: some new offensive ideas because you have you know, different weaponry.

1593
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: And um, I mean like I didn't tell him to

1594
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: go and run ball screen continuity, but he did. He

1595
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: ran some NBA sets. I mean, look, he's a magnan.

1596
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: You guys are all magnificent coaches. And it doesn't mean

1597
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 1: that any one thing. I would just suggest that every

1598
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: n C a term and I've played in, something goes

1599
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: wrong or something goes amiss, and teams that are prepared

1600
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: for it, or kids that figure it out, or a

1601
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: guy steps up and make shots, those the teams that win,

1602
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 1: because that's that's just what happen here. When we do

1603
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: one of those things and we lose a game, don't

1604
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 1: get on the air and criticize me. That's okay. That

1605
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: listen that's okay. It's okay though if in your mind

1606
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: you're like, because yeah, you can go in the locker

1607
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: room and you can just tell your guys like, hey, look, guys,

1608
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: that one's on me. I tried some things. I screwed

1609
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: it up, knowing in your mind that maybe it's not

1610
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: even on you because you're playing play the long game,

1611
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: like you're not getting fired at Baylor next year. You're

1612
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: gonna be good at the end of the year. Next year.

1613
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 1: You know what's it gonna take to be great? And

1614
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 1: maybe what takes to be great is when you play

1615
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 1: Kansas in the Big Twelve Tournament, you show them something

1616
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: You're able to go to a lineup that they can

1617
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: adjust to, you know what I mean? And you're right

1618
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 1: about that. As far as people sick, injured, foul troubles,

1619
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: something's happening. Yeah, yeah, and and the ones that can

1620
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: adjust and adjust. Listen, I I'm marvel at what you've

1621
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: been able to do and how consistent are you being

1622
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 1: able to do it. You have a lot of fans,

1623
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: uh in my industry, and and how you've consistently been

1624
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: able at Baylor to do it and do it the

1625
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: right way. I really appreciate your time. Now go be

1626
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: the most highly paid, highly sought after PE coach in

1627
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: the history of Waco Public uh coronavirus schooling. I appreciate that.

1628
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 1: Just do be a favor, give your son a hug

1629
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: because I saw the handles in the video. You said,

1630
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna be recruiting him one day, all right, to

1631
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: make sure he knows that too. We'll we'll do it.

1632
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 1: We're out, we we got we got pe coming up

1633
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: as well. Thanks so much for joining it. Hey, thanks Scott,

1634
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate it. Sir. Be sure to catch the

1635
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 1: live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three

1636
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: p m. Easter noon Pacific. That was awesome to catch

1637
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 1: out with Coach Drew. A reminder, we have all kinds

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01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,800
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1640
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,599
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01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:09,080
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1643
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,360
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1644
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:21,240
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1645
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