1 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm more in Vogel Bomb, and 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: today we have an episode for you about instant coffee. Yeah, 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: it's it was an endeavor. Yeah, it's one of these 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: like technology heavy ones that's super fascinating but also kind 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: of a lot to untea s h. Yeah. Yes, and 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: this was a listener suggestion. Yes, thank you for the suggestions, Kelsey. 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Um and it Oh yeah, so so cool, 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: so cool. I get to talk about some of my 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: favorite stuff that is not bacteria or yeast poop. So okay, 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: that's exciting, that's exciting. I feel like I've talked about 12 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: this before on previous episodes, but I used to drink 13 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: so much instant coffee, um, when I was running in 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: the morning especially, I just needed that like quick caffeine thing. 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: And I really didn't care about the taste. It was 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: just like I need this, I'm gonna run. I feel like, 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: I know there's so much judgment about instant coffee, but 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm somebody who really understands its place, Like oh no, absolutely, 19 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, like, hey, there are some 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: there are some quite good. Um, instant coffee options out 21 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: there now, um and be you know, it's inexpensive, it's 22 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: easy to make. Um, nothing wrong with it. Yeah. Yeah. 23 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: And one of the things that comes to me, I 24 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of memories that come to mind when 25 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: I think of instant coffee. My mom would drink uh 26 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: this Folders instant like the Folders crystals. Yeah, And so 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: every time I like smell that her taste that I 28 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: think of her and when I go home, she doesn't 29 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: drink coffee that much, So that's what she gets from. 30 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: Although she did, and we're going to talk about this 31 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: in the history portion, she did start getting you that, 32 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: like via via Starbucks. Okay, it was fancy. She was 33 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: trying to be like real, a real good host real. Yeah. Yeah, 34 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: but it does like that taste kind of like burnt 35 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: coffee taste. Yeah, that sort of burnt almost like soy 36 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: kind of tasting. Like there's like a there's like a 37 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: savory note. And a lot of instant coffees that that 38 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: I find real interesting. I'm like, why what is this from? 39 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's very particular, and it brings back a 40 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: lot of memories for me, especially like a lot of memories, good, bad, ugly, fine, 41 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: whatever it is, but one of the ones, like, for example, 42 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,839 Speaker 1: I remember again with the running thing, like you want 43 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: that boost of caffeine before you run. Um. And the 44 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: first time I ran a race at Disney and it 45 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: was a half marathon, and I was like, really loopy 46 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: because it's so early, And I said, the conversation is 47 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: done when the coffee is cold, and when there are 48 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: three of us, we all like stared into our like 49 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 1: styrofoam cups of bitter instant coffee, sipped at them. And 50 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: it was like I said something so wise instead of 51 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: something completely ridiculous. I mean it was true though, like 52 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: probably the conversation was done when the coffee was cold. 53 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: It was done. It was silent. Yeah, but I have 54 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: a lot of like dragon pong memories associated with it, 55 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: you know, like just that sort of quick however, I 56 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: can get it coffee associated with events in particular. Sure, Yeah, 57 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: I will say. UM. I entered my coffee snobbery early 58 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: in life. I had in college, I like knew a 59 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: guy whose uncle hoasted his own coffee and so like 60 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: like from like from that early point in time, I 61 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: started really really appreciating um A a well roasted and 62 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: freshly brewed cup of coffee. And so so I never 63 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: really developed that that like instant coffee positive memory. And 64 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: so until some of the like better brands started coming out, 65 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: I was like, that's not coffee. Get it away from you. 66 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: What are even doing? I hate this, um like, call 67 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: it something else, don't call it coffee. I don't like 68 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: your face. Um Like, like I would like like the 69 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: level of like of like I need my specific kind 70 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: of caffeine and if I do not get it in 71 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: my specific way, I'm going to be very angry kind 72 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: of thing. Um. But uh, but no, no, no, these 73 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: these days, like yeah, there's usually I wind up going 74 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: to like the H Mart and finding one of the 75 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: Japanese or Korean brands and uh and buying those because 76 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: they're they're basically in distinct wishable from regular coffee and 77 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: they are so convenient. Yeah yeah they are, that's the thing. Um. Also, 78 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: I did use instant coffee for the dirt stains on 79 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: my last was two Ellie costume. Yeah yeah yeah, and 80 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: it totally worked. It looks great and also it smells 81 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: like coffee. It's right behind me and I can smell it, 82 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: like every time we do this every time we recorded here. 83 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that's totally right. The first time that 84 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: I bought instant coffee was definitely for uh, like costuming purposes, 85 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: for for for for special effects, for makeup, for like um, 86 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: fake blood. UM. Frequently in fake blood recipes, it calls 87 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: for a little bit of instant coffee to give it 88 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: like that that darker, rusty, browner tone, get it away 89 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: from the kind of like like candy apple red color 90 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: that you're going to get from a lot of food colorings. Yeah, 91 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: this is the savor promise. We'll always bring in some 92 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: kind of weird horror ella meant costuming thing in our 93 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: food episode. You can it's our guaranteed. Uh. You can 94 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: see the episode from our Hawaii mini series that we 95 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: did on coffee for more context. Yeah. Yeah. It included 96 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: a lot of great quotes from Sean Steimon PhD, a 97 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: k a. Doctor Coffee who uh in nineteen, like late 98 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen released an updated version of one of 99 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: his books, UM, a lovely update called The book is 100 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: called the Hawaii Coffee Book, and it's so cool. Definitely 101 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: check that out if you were interested in um kind 102 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: of the process of coffee and especially of coffees on Hawaii. Yes, 103 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: and he was. He was lovely to talk to you. 104 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: So the interview went on two hours. Yes, it really didn't. 105 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: We really didn't mean to, but we were just all 106 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: having such a good time. Yeah, it was. Uh and 107 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: I think we mentioned instant coffee in our M R. 108 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: E episode. That sounds right. Yeah, space foods like definitely 109 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: freeze dry, absolutely freeze drying. Yeah, well I suppose that 110 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: does indeed bring us to our question. Yes, instant coffee 111 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: what is well, instant coffee is a category of processed 112 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: coffee product that dissolves in water, producing a drink instantly. Um. 113 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: You don't need to like wait for it to steep 114 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: or toss away grounds or anything like that. Um. It 115 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: is quick and mess free and usually inexpensive. Um. It's 116 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: like a it's like bullion but coffee. It's like crystal 117 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: light but coffee. Um, it's like replicator coffee in that 118 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: like you're not entirely sure how it happened, and it 119 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: tastes almost but not quite entirely unlike coffee. It it'll 120 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: do in a pinch. Yeah, that was a Douglass Addams joke. Um, So, 121 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: like I said, some instance, really are really are quite 122 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: good these days, um, and we do know how they're made. Actually, Um. 123 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: There are a couple of basic types um, spray dried 124 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: and freeze dried, but both start the same way with 125 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: coffee beans. So uh, this is not an episode about coffee, no, 126 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,119 Speaker 1: But beans are the seeds of the coffee plant. After 127 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: harvest and processing. To separate the seeds from the fruit, 128 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: the seeds are dried and then sent for further processing, 129 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: in this case roasting, probably a little bit lighter than 130 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: you would do for consumer use and in a nice 131 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: coarse grind. UM. Next, you're going to basically brew the coffee, 132 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: but like in the most intense way possible in order 133 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: to extract as much of the flavor as possible. So 134 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: you load your grounds into these columns that water can 135 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: pass through. A couple are cold cells where the water 136 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: is heated merely to boiling like a hundred degrees celsius 137 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: or two twelve fahrenheit UM, and a few more that 138 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: are hot cells with water heated to somewhere between a 139 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: hundred and forty two hundred and eighty celsius that's two 140 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: eighty four two three fifty six fahrenheit um. Some of 141 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: these are pressurized at higher pressures in order to help 142 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: the temperature situation. UM. Anyway, these uh, these columns, these 143 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: cells will extract the the cooler ones extract the flavor molecules, 144 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: and the hotter ones extract tougher stuff like carbohydrates, and 145 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: the resulting extract at the end of all of this 146 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: will be about coffee solids in water. UM. After that, 147 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: you concentrate this extract by removing some of that water 148 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: by either centrifuge or evaporation or freezing, which will result 149 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: in about at concentration of solids. All right, that concentrate 150 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: is cooled and clarified UM, and the oxygen is removed 151 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: from it to preserve those flavor compounds, because oxygen MUCKs 152 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: around with a whole bunch of different things in a 153 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: whole bunch of different ways to get it out of there. Also, UM, 154 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: during any of these prior steps, aroma compounds coming off 155 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: of the beans UM in the air, maybe collected and 156 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: concentrated for adding back in later after drying. I love this, Yeah, 157 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: so cool UM Okay, but that drying. Yes, in spray drying, 158 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: what you're looking at is this like big old heated 159 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: air tower some like seventy five or twenty five meters 160 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: tall UM, and it's filled in the vertical with um 161 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: with these air blowers UM that are blowing air heated 162 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: to around two and fifty celsius or four eighty fahrenheit. 163 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: It's heck and hot, and there's a nozzle at the 164 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: top of the tower that is uh A spraying this 165 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: coffee concentrate out in a mist that falls down through 166 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: the hot blown air. The water evaporates out of the concentrate. 167 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: The air is pulled out through a filter near the bottom, 168 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: and the dry powder of coffee collects at the base. 169 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: Often this powder will be further processed to um to 170 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: make the granules bigger and more like ground coffee. Like um, 171 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: you just tumble them with a little bit of steam 172 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: to sort of stick them together. Yeah. Um. But yeah, 173 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: so that's that's the process of of spray drying. And 174 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: that's a little bit less expensive and um less flavor 175 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: preserving than freeze than freeze drying. Yeah yeah, technical science 176 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: term for it. Yeah, definitely. But so in freeze drying, UM, 177 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: you're you're you're you're looking at um. Okay, First, freezing 178 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: the concentrate into a slush and then into a solid sheet, 179 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: and then breaking that sheet into into small pieces um granules, 180 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: then cryodesiccation. My god, you're gonna you're gonna keep them 181 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: cold and you're gonna get the water out. You're gonna 182 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna dry them out. And the way you're going 183 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: to do that is you're going to sublimate the water 184 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: out of these icy granules. Um. You can. You can 185 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: see again our freeze drying episode for more on this, 186 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: but but basically, basically, freeze drying works by mucking around 187 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: with the natural process of things going from a solid 188 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: to a liquid to a gas. That's what we expect 189 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: them to do in you know, normal everyday Earth circumstances. Um, 190 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: if you have a solid thing, you expected to become 191 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: a liquid before it becomes a vapor. Yeah. Yeah, And 192 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: that's because again, under normal circumstances, solid and liquid and 193 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: vapor are energy states that correlate to how warm a 194 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: given substances. Um. The molecules and a frozen substance have 195 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: very little energy. If you add some energy, they'll loosen 196 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: up and start sloshing around, and when you add enough energy, 197 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: those molecules will break free of each other entirely and 198 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: become gaseous UM. That is the process of evaporation. In sublimation, 199 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: solid water crystals skip the liquid state and go straight 200 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: to being water vapor. In order for this to happen, UM, 201 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: the solid water molecules need to have enough energy to 202 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: escape as a vapor. But the circumstances have to be 203 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: wrong for a liquid to happen, like the stars are wrong. 204 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: Yeah uh enter not like ulu, but enter pressure because 205 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: at extremely low pressures, liquids can't cohere um. So so 206 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: adding energy to solid water are at extremely low pressure 207 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: can force it to go straight to a gas. UM. 208 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: And that's how you get the water out of this 209 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: this frozen coffee concentrate. You put these frozen granules in 210 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: a vacuum chamber, lower the pressure way way way down, 211 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: and then applied just enough heat energy to make the 212 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: water molecules sublimate. UM. Then you you sweep the water 213 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: out of there and your left with dry grains of coffee. 214 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: That's so cool, so cool, So I love it. Oh Man. 215 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: Also shout out to past Lauren who who pulled all 216 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: that information together. You go past Lauren, doing good, past 217 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: me alright, alright, so um so right. Uh. So, now 218 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: you've got either from the spray version or the freeze version. Um, 219 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: you've got these dry I particles of of a very 220 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: concentrated coffee. UM. Next those aroma compounds that might have 221 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: been collected are sprayed onto that dry coffee. UM. And 222 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: then then the coffee is packaged in moisture proof containers 223 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: and is ready to be sold. Um. And yeah at 224 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: that point, you know, like you you buy a jar 225 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: and to reconstitute it, you just measure them out and 226 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: add hot water and stir. It's shelf stable and portable 227 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: and doesn't require special equipment other than you know, like 228 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: hot water and a drinking receptacle. Um. It's also useful 229 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: in cooking and baking and yes, crafting. Uh you know 230 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: when you want to get a quick punch of coffee 231 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: flavor and or color without a lot of expense or mess. 232 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. I was very impressed with the swampy 233 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: that the instant coffee, right, very very impressive, very much 234 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: say fur than just rubbing your garment in dirt, which 235 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: you shouldn't do because of microorganisms. Yes, the Internet was 236 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: very firm about that, which I appreciated. Well, what about 237 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: the nutrition. Um, it's it's a lot like conventional coffee. 238 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, like conventional coffee, instant coffee is by itself 239 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: low calorie. It's got like a wee tiny bit of 240 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: fats from the seeds, natural oils, especially in the freeze 241 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: dried versions. Um, it's got a lot of antioxidants. I 242 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: read during this research that coffee is the single largest 243 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: source of antioxidants in the modern human diet M And 244 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: if I had not been sitting down when I read that, 245 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: I would have needed to sit down because I was like, 246 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: that is impressive and also kind of sad, like we 247 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: all need to eat more vegetables, y'all, we all need 248 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: to eat more vegetables. Okay, yes, this is We've got 249 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: several shirt ideas that have come up in past episodes. 250 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: I feel like, eat more vegetables. You'll please eat more 251 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: vegetables is a shirt and yeah, yeah, it's pretty much 252 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: always accurate. Um hoofed. Anyway, instant coffee does contain caffeine 253 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: unless it is decaffe eated. Instant coffee and caffeine can 254 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: be sort of a mixed bag nutritionally speaking. Um uh. 255 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: Instant coffee has also been found to contain more acrylamide 256 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 1: than conventional coffee, which is potentially harmful, although not at 257 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: the levels that you're getting even from instant coffee, So 258 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: don't worry too much about it. Um, probably don't drink 259 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: more than like three to five cups a day of 260 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: any coffee. Yeah, I got I'm a two cup gal, Yeah, 261 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: two cups before noon and then that's it for me. 262 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: I'm allowed. I'm allowed to have a third in the 263 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: afternoon as long as it's before six pm. Okay, I 264 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: like we have these rules. Yeah, you gotta have a system. Well, right, 265 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: this is like, this is like hard tested. This has 266 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: been right. Ye, a lot of data has gone into 267 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: that into that conclusion anyway. And yes, the caffeine headache 268 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: is not to be trifled with. Oh goodness, see that's 269 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: the thing. Yes, well, we do have some numbers for you. 270 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: We do. Um. Instant coffee accounts for about fift of 271 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: the coffee that Americans drink today, um, including both home 272 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: preparations and vending machines. Because a lot of those those 273 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: instant coffee vending machines are instant coffee. Yeah, yeah, there 274 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: you go. According to a mashed article, I found se 275 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: coffee made in Australian New Zealand is instant So listeners 276 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: from Australian News Ellen right in is this accurate, I've 277 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: got to know, and that instant coffee accounts for thirty 278 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: of coffee brood around the world. Uh. Next Cafe made 279 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: up seventy of the instant coffee market as of twelve 280 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: and is available in over one eighty countries. Yeah. And 281 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: according to Nesslie's website, more than five thousand, five hundred 282 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: cups of their instant coffee are consumed every second, which 283 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm guessing yeah, all right, Yeah, There's a lot of 284 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: people in the world and time zones are different things. 285 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: People like to drink coffee. I have a friend who 286 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: likes to drink it at night, so you know, all 287 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: kinds of things. You know, different people's brain chemistry is different. Yes. Truth. 288 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: During the first decade of the two thousand's, the rate 289 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: of growth in sales for instant coffee rose by seven 290 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: to ten year over year, and one of the biggest 291 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: areas of growth was in China. Um And I found 292 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: this interesting because a lot of articles about this quated 293 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: an off stated understanding that for a long time, the 294 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: average person in China drink two cups of coffee per year. Huh, 295 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: I have to a day. So this is like yeah, 296 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: well it is like like right, it is a traditionally 297 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: tea based, yes, caffeine consumption culture, so exactly. Um. So 298 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: if this this growth uh is true, which I believe 299 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: several publications have flicked into it. Um, that is a 300 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: huge shift from what's going on now when China is 301 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: the fourth largest consumer of ready to drink coffee. Surveys. Yeah, 302 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: they've done surveys on the population about this huge change, 303 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: and it seems to be all about convenience. Um, that's 304 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: just yeah, easy to make right. Yeah. You know, if 305 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: you if you don't own even the you know, relatively 306 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: simple equipment to easily make easily brew or drip coffee, 307 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: then mm hmm yeah instant coffee, instant coffee. But the 308 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: history was not instant. Yes, yes, all right, and we 309 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: are going to get into that history. But first we're 310 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: going to get into a quick break for a word 311 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, 312 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: thank you so again. You can see our episode that 313 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: we did on coffee for more context. Yes, but very briefly, 314 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: coffee was being cultivated by around eight in and around 315 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: what's now Ethiopia, and was being roasted and steeped in 316 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: water to produce the drink that we are familiar with. 317 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: By around twelve hundred CE in and around what's now Yemen, 318 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: UM public coffee houses as social spaces really flourished around 319 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: the Arabian Peninsula UM and beyond thanks to the Ottoman Empire. 320 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: Over the next few centuries, UM locals took steps to 321 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: monopolize the market, but sometime in the early sixteen hundreds, 322 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: someone smuggled fertile coffee beans out of the area, and 323 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: by the late sixteen hundreds the Dutch or running coffee 324 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: estates in Indonesia. The rest of the colonial powers got 325 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: their hands on it, and uh it became one of 326 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: the commodity crops that was integral to the slave trade. UM. 327 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: In that way, coffee houses spread throughout Europe and its 328 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: colonies throughout the sixteen and seventeen hundreds. Yes, which brings 329 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: us to the beginnings of instant coffee. Yes. Many historians 330 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: claim that the first instance of instant coffee occurred in 331 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: seventeen seventy one, when John Drain was granted a patent 332 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: for a quote coffee compound by Great Britain. At this point. Yes, 333 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: coffee had been present on the European continent for about 334 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: two centuries. A firm in Glasgow debuted product called camp 335 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: coffee in the eighteen hundreds. The ingredients included water, chickory sugar, 336 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: and coffee essence. Uh. Some version of camp coffee became 337 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: available at British grocery stores in the mid till late 338 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: nineteenth century. And as we've discussed in several episodes, coffee 339 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: and the energy it provided was majorly sought after during 340 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: the shortages of the Civil War. Like we talked about 341 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: this in our Oprah episode. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Like 342 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: it was a big deal and it has been a 343 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: big deal for soldiers in most conflicts in general. This 344 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: like boost of energy wherever you could find it. Um 345 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: With that in mind, one of the earliest known mentions 346 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: of instant coffee in the US comes out of the 347 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: Civil War, when an easily portable and light form of 348 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: caffeine was incredibly important. At the time, coffee making was 349 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: a bit of a hassle for the average person, requiring 350 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: roasting and grinding a whole thing. Inter someone whose name 351 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: is properly familiar to you. James Folder. Okay, yeah that folger. Yeah, yes, 352 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: that Folger. He and his sons started their coffee company 353 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: in San Francisco in the mid eighteen hundreds. They were 354 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: looking to capitalize on folks who are pouring in during 355 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: the San Francisco Gold Rush by creating a coffee that 356 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: was less of a pain to make. Um and they 357 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: became the first to sell canned ground coffee beans no 358 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: roasting or grinding required. This innovation helps them become one 359 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: of the most popular coffee brands in the country. Um 360 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: and they survived not only bankruptcy but the nineteen o 361 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: six earthquake that wiped out all other coffee roasters in 362 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: San Francisco. Uh huh uh. And it was right around 363 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: this point that a bunch of innovations were happening simultaneously. Right. So, 364 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: in eighteen ninety, David String out of New Zealand, applied 365 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: for a patent for soluble coffee powder that he dubbed 366 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: Strings Coffee. Um. That was not the only patent he 367 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: applied for. He applied for a couple of things, including 368 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: a coffee roasting apparatus of novel design and something called 369 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: Strings Eclipse Hot air grain dryer. All right, yeah, let 370 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: met it um. Something else people attribute to him is 371 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: the creation of mocha, which we're going to have to 372 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: investigate definitely. Yes, it's yes, Tokyo chemists story. Katso introduced 373 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: a powdered coffee product at the Pan American Exposition in Buffalo, 374 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: New York in nineteen o one, and for a long 375 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: time this Kato's was considered the first stable powdered coffee 376 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: product until people dug up strings patents. UM. Kato Head 377 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: previously to eveloped a process for making instant t and 378 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: based its coffee powder on that one. Then in n 379 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: six a European immigrant named George Washington no relation owned 380 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: the process of getting coffee crystals from Brood Coffee. Yeah. 381 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: He was a British chemist and he was working in 382 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: Guatemala at the time. And uh, this this process Um 383 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: created the first like commercially viable instant coffee UM and 384 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: was called in the United States anyway red e coffee. 385 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: Ye like r E d capital e coffee. Yeah, I've 386 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: been too it, I like it all right. Um. Around 387 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: nineteen ten he started offering his instant coffee in the 388 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: US and the convenience factor made it a really big 389 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: hit during World War One. Yeah, it basically ran the 390 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: market in the US and tel around like nine. So. 391 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: One of the other most popular brands in the country 392 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: was Maxwell House Um, a company founded in nineteen twenty 393 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: by Joel Cheek that also offered a ground coffee being product. 394 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: While this wasn't quite instant coffee, it was a huge 395 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: stepping stone on the path to instant coffee. A few 396 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: other stepping stones along the way. Cyrus Blanc, Oh, that 397 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: was so French. I don't know if it's supposed to 398 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: be French. Cyrus Blank perhaps introduced coffee powder to retail 399 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: in nineteen o six. The story goes that he got 400 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: the idea at a diner called Tony Faust Cafe in St. 401 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: Louis after spilling a drop of coffee on a hot plate, 402 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: and this drop turned into a powder until it was 403 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: exposed to water, and then it became coffee again. The 404 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: story goes this discovery led to Faust Coffee, named after 405 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: the cafe, with Cyrus Blank being the leader behind that one. 406 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: In ninev Chimis Charles Trigg wrote in his notebook while 407 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh's Melon Institute fellowship Renude for one year. Main 408 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: work to be on soluble coffee. All attentions to be 409 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: centered there on new pressure absorption. Proves to be thoroughly 410 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: tried out. It's really cool. You can like look at 411 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: his journal entries. Yeah. Yeah, he conducted all kinds of 412 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: studies on coffee during his four year fellowship. There um 413 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: studies that proved useful to others in the field. So 414 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: he didn't really arrive at like instant coffee, but but 415 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: he was very integral for other people. He did go 416 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: on to become the chief chemist for King Coffee Products Corporation, 417 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: a company looking into water soluble coffee. In they introduced 418 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: minute coffee with ads reading like this, the housewife only 419 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: needs to pour hot water on the powder. The dissolving 420 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: process is instantaneous. No work, no bother, no grounds, no 421 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: utensils to scour. Yeah all right, oh wow, um, but 422 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: this brings us to a huge turning point in the 423 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: story of instant coffee. Okay, to set us up a little. 424 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: In the thirties, Brazil was inviting researchers to come help 425 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: them figure out ways to preserve excess coffee beans via 426 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: things like production of instant coffee, and one of the 427 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: companies involved is a familiar one. Yes in Nestle debuted 428 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: nest Cafe, a product that they made by spring liquid 429 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: coffee into heated towers along with an equal amount of 430 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: liquid carbohydrate. The resulting product was then rehydrated to make coffee. 431 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: Um Food chemist Max morgan Thaller spearheaded this initiative. He 432 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: had in fact been ordered to drop the whole thing 433 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: in due to coffee bean shortages and financial woes, but 434 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: Morgan Thaller just could not let this go. You can 435 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: let this idea go, so he experimented on it whenever 436 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: he could. In seven, he invited the higher set Nestlie 437 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: to try his creation, and they were majorly impressed. They 438 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: were like, yes, all right, let's go ahead. They decided. 439 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: The company decided that their test market would be Switzerland, 440 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: and cans of this brand of coffee were available in 441 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: Swiss grocery stores by nine seven, with the targeted audience 442 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: of single men since they needed a woman to make 443 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: them coffee. I guess that was sort of the implication 444 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: in the ads. It's like, you don't need her, this 445 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: is easy, pretty much, and the product was a hit, 446 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: especially amongst the men who did outdoorsy jobs or activities. 447 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: Dr Morgan Thaler got his patent in nineteen. By nineteen forty, 448 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: the product was available in thirty countries. World War to 449 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: you put a bit of a damper on sales except 450 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: in the UK and Switzerland, and the product was so 451 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: important to US soldiers that the government named it a 452 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: quote commodity vital to the war effort. One year that 453 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: America was in World War Two, the entire million cases 454 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: that the US Nest cafe plant produced all went to 455 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: the military. Wow yeah wow. On top of that, when 456 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: the Allied forces did their victory marches in Western Europe 457 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: and Japan, one of the objects and the care packages 458 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: that they were handing out was Nest cafe. Instant coffee 459 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: innovation continued over the next several decades and into today, 460 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: still ongoing. UM in the nineteen fifties and improved dehydration 461 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: technique allowed for larger particles of instant coffee, eliminating the 462 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: need for previously used carbohydrates to bulk up the product. 463 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: This research came out of Borden's Labs UM like the 464 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: Milk Company right Um, and it was pretty major in 465 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: six only about six percent of coffee consumed in the 466 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: States was instant by nineteen fifty four. It was like, wow, 467 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: m however, we've been talking about this a lot throughout. 468 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: This was a big deal. That aroma of coffee um 469 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: still alluded the researchers. It was still absent from the product. 470 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: So engineers were not done yet. They were trying to 471 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: find a way to fix this. Producers tried a couple 472 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: of things to remedy it um, starting with the idea 473 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: to add coffee bean oils to the instant coffee. When 474 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: consumers opened the jar or whatever it was in um, 475 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 1: they were rewarded with the smell of fresh coffee. However, 476 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: as soon as water and milk was added, the smell 477 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: went away. And on top of that, the oils were 478 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: a risk in terms of the product going brands it Yeah, 479 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: you don't want that. Along comes another huge innovation, the 480 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: invention of freeze dried coffee in nine four, a product 481 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: that preserved both the flavor and the smell of coffee 482 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: no oils required. Craft gets credited as in yes that craft. 483 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: They get credited as the first on the scene with 484 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: their ease dried Maxwell House offering in nineteen sixty three 485 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: or nineteen sixty four. UM. Freeze drying was a World 486 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: War two invention. Again, you can see that episode where 487 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: we went all into that. UM. Producers of instant coffee 488 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: also experimented with a method that used steam to cause 489 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: the coffee crystals to clump together to later be reheated 490 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: so that they more closely resembled ground coffee. UM, because 491 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: that was also a part of this was the aesthetic 492 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: did it look? However, a lot of flavor was lost 493 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: in the reheating process, and this technique was more about 494 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: appearance than flavor. Freeze dried coffee kept up appearances and taste, 495 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: so it was it was a vast improvement. Yeah, yeah, 496 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: and all the major companies introduced freeze dried versions UM. 497 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: And thanks to these innovations, instant coffee hit peak popularity 498 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: in the United States in the nineteen seventies. During that time, 499 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: about a third of the coffee that we imported was 500 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: made into instant coffee. Consumers were buying some two million 501 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 1: pounds every year because they Yeah, they were like they 502 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: were like, oh, yes, look at the superior flavor. But 503 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: if you're shouting at whatever device you're listening to this 504 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: through something along the lines of What Flavor and Ian Lauren, 505 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: What's Murder? You Are Not Alone? And in nine sales 506 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: of instant coffee sharply declined. Um. This was a direct 507 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: result of the increasing popularity of cafes and fresh food 508 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: coffees here in the United States. Companies like Maxwell House 509 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: made huge cutbacks. UM Nestlie tested out their gourmet instant 510 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: coffee called Tasters Choice in ninete, but it just couldn't 511 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: compete with America's changing taste? Was that were those early 512 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: commercials like how like Anthony Stewart, head of Giles from 513 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: Buffy Fame, got his start. I feel like they were 514 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: of like what Folgers? What was he in in in 515 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: the in the Tasters Choice commercials, I think my brain 516 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: is my brain. My brain is pigging me with something 517 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: along those lines. Okay, I'm googling now, Okay, this is 518 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: very important information. Um yeah, it is interesting as somebody 519 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: who has I grew up drinking instant coffee. I still 520 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: drink it, and I definitely get some shade when I 521 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: tell people that, and I understand, but I'm also again 522 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: a proponent that it has its place. It's plice. Yeah, absolutely, 523 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: it was. It was early early tony head acting chops tasters, 524 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: choice commercials. Yeah, that's so great. I'm gonna have to 525 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: look that up later. I'm so glad that I can't 526 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: remember my own phone number, but that's lodged in my 527 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: brains somewhere. That's really good. Yeah, that's that your brain 528 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: doing you. What favor is what that is? Um? But okay, still, 529 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: you gotta compete. And this kind of cracks me up 530 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 1: because in two thousand nine, Starbucks launched their own brand 531 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: of instant coffee, Villa or via v I A UM. Yes, 532 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: and I remember this because again, this is what my 533 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: mom gets me when I come home for special occasions. 534 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: It's very cute. Um. The marketing heavily featured it's so 535 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: called micro ground technology, and the then president CEO of 536 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: Starbucks claimed it would change the way people drink coffee. However, 537 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: it struggled to compete with freshly brewed coffee to um, 538 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: though it did do about one million dollars in global 539 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: sales in its first two years. But I find that 540 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: interesting because Starbucks was kind of the one of the 541 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: key players in the decline in ruining the instant coffee 542 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: and then it was suddenly like oh no, we make 543 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: it too yeah. Yeah interesting yeah, and then uh yeah 544 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: in um. At the at the top of the pandemic, 545 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: there was this trend of making at Algona coffee, named 546 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: after the South Korean candy um because it looks in 547 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: tastes similar. But yeah, it's made by whipping together equal 548 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: parts of water, sugar, and instant coffee to make a 549 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: foam and then using that foam to top hot or 550 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: cold milk. UM. Basically, what's happening here is that the 551 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: tiny particles of coffee solids and instant coffee can like 552 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 1: lock up and help form stable air bubbles in this 553 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: syrupy sugar water liquid um. Yeah, and the cheaper kinds 554 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 1: work better. The cheaper kinds of instant coffee work better 555 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: because they're usually spray dried and thus contain fewer oils 556 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: and thus foam up better because oil is a bubble breaker. Um. 557 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: As you may have witnessed, when you like are washing dishes, 558 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: my mind immediately goes to powerfuff girls broken. Um, I'm 559 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: in tregue by this. I I want to look more 560 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: into this. Yeah, delgana coffee um d A L G 561 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: O n A. It was. It was a big like 562 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: I think like TikTok trend um. Early, early in pandemic days, 563 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: people were like, I'm stuck at home. What am I 564 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,959 Speaker 1: gonna do? I'm gonna make this fancy looking coffee drink. 565 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: I was thinking about that all the things I thought 566 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: I was gonna do during the pandemic at the beginning 567 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: actually happens. Yeah, it turns out I've mostly just been depressed. 568 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: That's weird. Oh goodness, I've read a lot of bad fiction. 569 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: Oh hey, that's great. Yes, And I think if like 570 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen Rain of Fire, but 571 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: in Rain of Fire where they do that scene where 572 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: they reenact in par strikes back, that's me I can 573 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, well that's a skill. Yeah that is. 574 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 1: That's one I've required during this But definitely I will 575 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:05,919 Speaker 1: be Star Wars reenactor during the Apocalypse into it. Yeah. Yeah, 576 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: well that's enough to get you on my team. Yeah, yes, yes, 577 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: Instant coffee is big during the Apocalypse. It all comes together. Absolutely. 578 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: There you go. It is a big thing in like 579 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: video games and the Apocalypse. You want that instinct coffee. Heck, 580 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: oh heck, indeed. Wow. I think that's what we have 581 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: to say about instant coffee from now it is. We 582 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: do have some listener mail for you, but first we've 583 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: got one more quick break for a word from our sponsor. 584 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you, and 585 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: we're back with I was gonna do the Folgers jingle. 586 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: Best part of waking it up folders in your cup, 587 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: because I think it's in they sold it. It's like 588 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: out in the dome. I think somebody might have bought it, 589 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: but it's not. There's anymore. I'm pretty sure. Um. But 590 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: then again, I don't know how to communicate these things 591 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: to you very well. I would have. I would have 592 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: figured it out by like the like a few notes in, 593 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't have known where to place like the 594 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,240 Speaker 1: like syllable breaks, so it could have gotten complicated pretty quickly. Yeah, 595 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:33,959 Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. Well, we live and we learned. 596 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: At least we lived. A Albert wrote as a fellow 597 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: d m oozes can be a lot of fun to 598 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: run in reference to a comment we made about a 599 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: Black Pudding enemy in Dungeons and Dragons in our Black 600 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: Pudding episode um Albert continues in my recent post apocalyptic 601 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: sci fi fifth edition, Camp Pain, the players at sixth 602 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: level ran into a moded gelatinous cube in the subway tunnels, 603 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: as well as a sentient news named Gabbo that they befriended, 604 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 1: and my other fifth edition campaign. Using e N World 605 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: Publishing's level up rules set, the players at second level 606 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: ran into several gray uses. A black pudding would have 607 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: outright killed them, goodness, and black puddings are nothing to 608 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: mess with, and yet you did mess with him. Well 609 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: it was a modified version according to you. So we 610 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 1: were we were fine. Yes, I was like literally wow, 611 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: I can't describe how badly they were rolling everybody that 612 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: first session. I had like them trapped in this dungeon 613 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: and they could not get out, like they kept rolling 614 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: ones for everything. Right, Yeah, it was one of those. 615 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: It was one of those like first session things where 616 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: it was like wealth and then I guess I dropped 617 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: my dagger and I fall on it. I but this 618 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: is how they ran into the black pudding like rolled 619 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: fift in a row wild. But they survived and they 620 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: are You're right, You're right, Albert. They are very very 621 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,439 Speaker 1: fun to run. They can like swallow you or your 622 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: items whole love it. Um, Kirsten wrote, I felt so 623 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: seen by Your Mango episode on so many levels. Growing 624 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: up in Cincinnati, I had very limited experience with mangoes. 625 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: I thought of them as a rare, exotic, and expensive 626 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: treat that my siblings and I sometimes got to eat 627 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: at my bappa's house. I remember the stringy fibers getting 628 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: stuck in my teeth, and Mom always said they tasted 629 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: like air fresheners. I wanted to like them, maybe in 630 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: theory more than in practice. Anyway, After graduating from college 631 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, I moved to Miami, Florida in the middle 632 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: of summer to find a steaming hot paradise with mangoes 633 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: littering the sidewalks and scenting the air after thunderstorms. Now, 634 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 1: mango season has become a bit of an obsession for 635 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: me in my Miami native husband. The idea Annie talked 636 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: about in the episode about not even knowing that you 637 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: haven't experienced the real version of something because you don't 638 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 1: have access to it is so true. We live in 639 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: a condo, so we don't have any fruit trees of 640 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: our own, but around this time of year, as they 641 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: start to bloom, I start scouting the mango trees on 642 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: our walking roots. In all the nearby neighborhoods. Once they're 643 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,439 Speaker 1: ripe and falling off the trees, it's go time. We'll 644 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: go out for walks with backpacks and bring them home 645 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: full of six ten mangoes at a time. Of course, 646 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: we are respectful of people's property. Mango theft is no 647 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: joke in Miami. We only take fallen fruits that we 648 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: can reach from the sidewalk or roadside. I love a 649 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: rule set. This is great. Uh they continue. Every once 650 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,959 Speaker 1: in a while, We'll see a tree in someone's yard 651 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: with dozens of rotting fruits on the ground, and I've 652 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: been known to knock on a stranger's front door to 653 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,439 Speaker 1: ask permission to pick some, and I've never been turned down. 654 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: It's really cool getting to try mangoes from all these 655 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: different trees. They vary so much in color, size, texture, 656 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: and flavor. It's incredible. I don't know the names of 657 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: the varieties that we forage, but I definitely remember which 658 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: trees my favorite fruits come from. So cool Okay down 659 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: about a half hour south of Miami, in an agricultural 660 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: area called the Redlands, there are tons of tropical fruit 661 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: orchards and roadside produce stands with all kinds of mangoes 662 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: and other tropical fruits I'd never heard of before moving 663 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: down here. Done that way, there is a magical place 664 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: called the Fruit and Spice Park. They have over a 665 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: hundred varieties of mango trees, and if you go at 666 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: just the right time, you can eat yourself sick on 667 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 1: mangoes and learn the varietals by name. My favorite are 668 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: the ice cream mango and the fair Child mango. I've 669 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: been very curious to know how the listener maile improv works. Annie, 670 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 1: do you give any direction in advance? How do you 671 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: communicate your intentions to Lauren to interpret and join in. 672 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm picturing a conductor like hand gestures. Would love a 673 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: peak behind the curtain on this. Oh, dear Lauren is 674 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: a champ. It's chaos wrapped and hope y'all, um, it 675 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: is absolute chaos. Yeah. So we're still to two years 676 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: into this pandemic. We're still doing this over skype um 677 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: and so we're like eating our homes, uh, dealing with 678 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: like a I don't know, maybe like second second and 679 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: a half delay, like maybe less maybe more um. And 680 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: so Annie like takes in that deep breath and um 681 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,839 Speaker 1: starts and yeah. And there are big hand gestures, big 682 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: like conductor like hand gestures, uh that that relatively correlate 683 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: to like pitch and intent that I've kind of learned 684 00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 1: learned to interpret um and and I just kind of 685 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: go I don't know, I just sort of go for it. 686 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm sort of like, well, it's a trustful is one. 687 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: It is. I honestly like, I'm so impressed that you 688 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: even get like half my clothes by this time. And 689 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: I don't unless it's like a clear thing. I usually 690 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 1: make them up like the second before we do them. Yeah, 691 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's wild to me. Sometimes I have a 692 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: vision Sometimes I have a vision round. Most of the 693 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: time it's like, oh gosh, I don't think this will work. 694 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that. That's usually what happens is I 695 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: have to they won't try this easier thing because I 696 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: do realize, like, for this one, the best part of 697 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: waking up folders in your cup listener meal, different syllables 698 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,800 Speaker 1: not gonna work. So I have to I have to 699 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: pick a um you've follow. Yeah, and I think the 700 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: real fun part for me comes in where um uh. 701 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,720 Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this on the show before, but um, 702 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,399 Speaker 1: you know the way that conference calls work is that 703 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: when um, when you start speaking, if you're if you're 704 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,399 Speaker 1: at a certain volume level, um, the software will cut 705 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:31,320 Speaker 1: out your audio feed of the other person. So so 706 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: I'm like trying to do it like enthusiastically, um uh, 707 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: but not loud enough that it cuts your mike because 708 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: if that happens, then I'm just guessing. I'm purely guessing 709 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 1: it's a skill. It's oh my, I'm not sure. I 710 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: don't know if I want to apply the word skill here. Um, 711 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: it's thing that happens bless twice a week. Yep. And 712 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, we found a couple of great bloopers that 713 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 1: I wish one day we should Oh yes, where they've 714 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: it's gone horribly a way awry. It's very rare. We 715 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,720 Speaker 1: don't release it. Usually we're just like, oh, yeah, that happened. 716 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: That's what happened. But it's usually me because sometimes I'll 717 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: accidentally say the ingredients instead of listener. Oh yeah. I 718 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: love those. They're very funny because I usually I don't 719 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:39,280 Speaker 1: realize what I've done until you're like, hey, that was great, 720 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: but but yeah, but yeah, I know it's fun. I 721 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,839 Speaker 1: love it. Thank you all for putting up with it. Yes, yes, 722 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you very much. It was just something 723 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,360 Speaker 1: we kind of did because we didn't have a jingle 724 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,240 Speaker 1: and now here we are. Um. And also this sounds 725 00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:02,719 Speaker 1: amazing with the mangoes, goodness, mangoes, backpacks of mangoes. I 726 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: would oh, I would eat so many. I am also 727 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:13,879 Speaker 1: so intrigued by this ice cream mango variety. Anyway, Yeah, 728 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 1: that's amazing. 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