WEBVTT - Commanders-Eagles TNF Recap

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<v Speaker 1>Perts under center, he goes with a pitch to Barkley.

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<v Speaker 1>Barkley across the thirty twenty five Tony, good Bye, Bimo Billo.

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<v Speaker 2>He's unbelievable. He is unbelievable. Saquon Barkley running in for

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<v Speaker 2>a second touchdown on the night. You can hold him

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<v Speaker 2>down for a while, you can't hold him down for

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<v Speaker 2>four quarters. He ends up with one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 2>six yards on the ground with two touchdowns. The Eagles

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<v Speaker 2>beat the Commanders twenty eight twenty six rather to eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>in Philadelphia. This was a seven to three game for

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<v Speaker 2>Washington at halftime, and the Eagles offense got rolling. That

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<v Speaker 2>was Meryl Reese and Mike Quick on WIP. I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>the garage and I'm looking at my friend Steven Ruiz

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<v Speaker 2>of the Ringer from Washington, DC. But he's not a

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<v Speaker 2>Commanders fan, and so he's probably not heartbroken they lost

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<v Speaker 2>this game. A lot of Commanders fans are who thought

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<v Speaker 2>this season's gonna be special, and maybe it still will be,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're at seven and four. There are a couple

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<v Speaker 2>losses now back of an Eagles team. Steven that just

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<v Speaker 2>looked like a little tougher A little more grown up,

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<v Speaker 2>a little more ready for mid November football than Washington did.

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<v Speaker 1>No the Eagles just like the more talented team, the

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<v Speaker 1>more solid team. Most of these teams take a unique

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<v Speaker 1>approach to offense, especially on early downs. They have offenses

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<v Speaker 1>that don't look like any offenses elsewhere in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>But Washington's to this point has been based on one

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<v Speaker 1>the talent of a rookie quarterback in Jaydon Daniels who's

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<v Speaker 1>been brilliant but has run into a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>rookie wall this last couple of weeks, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>scheme of Cliff Kingsbury. I always think there's an expiration

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<v Speaker 1>date on offenses where you're kind of getting by on

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<v Speaker 1>smoking mirrors a little bit. And I think with the

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<v Speaker 1>Eagles where it's like talent based, like we just have

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<v Speaker 1>better guys than you at. We have an offensive line

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to run you over. We have a running

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<v Speaker 1>back that's going to take advantage of those holes, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we have two wide receivers that if you leave

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<v Speaker 1>them one on one on the outside, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do damage to the air. And I think you saw

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<v Speaker 1>that play out on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. You're already planting your flag that the

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<v Speaker 2>cliff second half collapse is coming. I love that by you, Steven.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's put a pin in that and get to that

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<v Speaker 2>a little later because that is intriguing. Jayden Daniels has

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<v Speaker 2>struggled the last couple of weeks. Although the offense, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>had moments against Baltimore tonight, they really didn't end up

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<v Speaker 2>with two hundred and sixty four yards and that includes

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<v Speaker 2>a garbage time touchdown drive that they had at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>They did have a chance with an on side kick

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<v Speaker 2>under thirty seconds to go, so you know it was

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<v Speaker 2>worth trying for. But most of the night they really struggled.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to give the Eagles their flowers first, because

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<v Speaker 2>to me, this was the classic Eagles game of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four. If you haven't watched them each and every week,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of them have been like this, and by

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<v Speaker 2>that I mean they look kind of disjoined on offense

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<v Speaker 2>often Jalen hurts sometimes like doesn't make the best decisions

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<v Speaker 2>in the red zone. For instance, you saw tonight there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of unforced airs. They had a trick

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<v Speaker 2>play which killed the drive, They had a holding penalty

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<v Speaker 2>which killed the drive. They had another drive which had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of drops, Jake Elliott's missing kicks all over

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<v Speaker 2>the place, two miss field goals in the first half,

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<v Speaker 2>missed extra point. But at a certain point, their offensive

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<v Speaker 2>talent seems to just catch up in your and overwhelm

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<v Speaker 2>the opponent. And meanwhile, the defense has been money since

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<v Speaker 2>the bye week, and now this is a better opponent

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<v Speaker 2>they're going against. They played well against the Bengals as well,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a good offensive opponent. And to me, they

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<v Speaker 2>are absolutely legit and they make you earn everything, and

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<v Speaker 2>that combination is a winning combination, because by the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>quarter of this game, it just felt like the play

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<v Speaker 2>differential the Eagles that had about fifteen to twenty more

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<v Speaker 2>plays at halftime ended up being too much for Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>and the second half drives for Philadelphia they were leaning

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<v Speaker 2>on them like you could you could see when you

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<v Speaker 2>had the overhead angle. They go field goal, touchdown, touchdown,

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<v Speaker 2>touchdown to end the game, and Saquon with prairies of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, acreage to run through and he hits it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a great formula as long as they're not

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<v Speaker 2>turning the ball over. It's tough to be.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels partly twenty twenty two Eagles formula. Like when

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<v Speaker 1>they were struggling with the passing game, they could just

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<v Speaker 1>go to that run game and just hammer the same

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<v Speaker 1>run plays over and over and over again. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>there was a game against the Giants where I think

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<v Speaker 1>they ran the same run play out of the same

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<v Speaker 1>formation eight times in a row and the Giants couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything to stop it. It feels like that like

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<v Speaker 1>the pass game isn't quite where it was a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago. But we've also seen highs out of

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<v Speaker 1>the pass game, especially when Jalen Hurts has been pushing

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<v Speaker 1>it deep outside the numbers to aj Brown, to DeVante Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if they can get that going more consistantly,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to see this team reach some of the

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<v Speaker 1>highs they reached when they made that run to the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, tonight, I think Washington's defense did a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>I look, Jalen didn't attempt to throw over twenty yards,

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<v Speaker 2>and he only completed three over ten yards. Everything was short.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt like the two teams were almost in a

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<v Speaker 2>staring contest. In My colleague Jordan Rodrigue The Athletic pointed

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<v Speaker 2>this out on Twitter. That this was clearly Vic Fangio's

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<v Speaker 2>defensive plan. It kind of always is. Jaden Daniels did

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<v Speaker 2>not throw well against split safety tonight according to next

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<v Speaker 2>Gen seven of eleven for thirty two yards. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth quarter interception that Reid Blankenship picked off. First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, you know, shout out to Reid Blankenship. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like the closer. He only catches interceptions in the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>quarter and he never drops him. It's kind of an

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<v Speaker 2>underrated aspect to a defensive back, Like a defensive back

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<v Speaker 2>that never drops the interception and suddenly like that ball

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<v Speaker 2>was just rolling down downhill fast in the fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>This was this was a close game that the Eagles

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even have the lead going into the fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>They take a touchdown drive that ends with the tousch

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<v Speaker 2>push with Jalen Hurts with like twelve minutes ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>after that it was it was all Philadelphia. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think their defensive plan to like make jad and Daniels

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<v Speaker 2>really work down the field slowly and not go to

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<v Speaker 2>his wide receiver is Washington felt caught comfortable playing that way,

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<v Speaker 2>but like they need bigger plays than what they got tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and even during their fast dart to the season,

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't getting a lot of like downfield explosive plays.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of their explosive plays were coming on like

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<v Speaker 1>like yards after catch or Jaden Daniels getting outside the

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<v Speaker 1>pocket and scrambling for a first down. But like we

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<v Speaker 1>remember the big throws downfield, especially against Cincinnati, the two

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<v Speaker 1>throws on Monday Night, and then he had some other

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<v Speaker 1>like Jayden Daniels, I mean had some other like Marquee

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<v Speaker 1>deep throws. I think he had one against the Ravens.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he had one against the Steelers down the sideline.

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<v Speaker 1>But outside of that, there's not a lot of passes

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<v Speaker 1>going downfield, especially like over the middle of the field.

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<v Speaker 1>And you saw the Eagles kind of take away those

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<v Speaker 1>early down efficient plays and force them into a dropback

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<v Speaker 1>game on third down, and this was one of their

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<v Speaker 1>worst games on third down. I think they were one

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<v Speaker 1>for nine at one point. I know they might have

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<v Speaker 1>improved the stats on that garbage time drive. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't garbage time because they cut it to one possession,

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<v Speaker 1>But really before that drive, they weren't really moving the

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<v Speaker 1>ball and third down at all, and that had been

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<v Speaker 1>such a strength for them. They had such great third

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<v Speaker 1>down numbers, such great fourth down numbers. We see a

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<v Speaker 1>fourth down stop on a concept that I know some

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<v Speaker 1>people criticize the play call there, but that's a call

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<v Speaker 1>they've been using a lot on fourth down and having

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of success with it. It hasn't been stopped

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<v Speaker 1>having Jadan Daniels do a little play action fake and

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<v Speaker 1>then roll outside the pocket and either run for it

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<v Speaker 1>or pass for it, and no team has been able

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<v Speaker 1>to stop it. But I think it speaks to how

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<v Speaker 1>much heavy lifting the scheme was doing early on, and

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<v Speaker 1>now that teams kind of have all this film and

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<v Speaker 1>know how they're going to approach games, I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to see them. They're gonna have to come up

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<v Speaker 1>with playing b's and playing seeds going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you brought up that sequence. So after the

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<v Speaker 2>Eagles touchdown, the score is twelve to ten because Elliott

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<v Speaker 2>missed the extra point and Washington is driving, they actually

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<v Speaker 2>have a second and one. They're playing fast, they're playing tempo,

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<v Speaker 2>which is where they've been at their best all season.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the first drive of the night where Jayden

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<v Speaker 2>and Daniels just ripped a couple of confident throws. He

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<v Speaker 2>had one to McLaurin, who only had one catch tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and that led all wide receivers. Zakias had one, Noah

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<v Speaker 2>Brown had one, Dammy Brown had one, and they totaled.

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<v Speaker 2>Just doing some quick math here for twenty eight yards.

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<v Speaker 2>That's absolutely outrageous. Their wide receivers got absolutely nothing done.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's second and one there in field goal range

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<v Speaker 2>and Jalen Carter to me, makes the play of the night.

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<v Speaker 2>Just I was watching on the Prime Vision view from

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<v Speaker 2>the overhead camera, which is just awesome. And the way

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<v Speaker 2>he shed the tackler. They are impenetrated. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>many defensive tackles, if any, are gonna make that play,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he forces a third and two. They stuff that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was kind of slow developing. That was a nice

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<v Speaker 2>play too. That brings up the fourth down that you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's actually take a listen to that and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the decision after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of trying for a game changing field goal that

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<v Speaker 1>would give them a one point lead, they're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>on fourth and two. Daniel under Sun. Daniels is back.

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<v Speaker 1>He's big, chased, he's running, he's big pushed, He's not kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of bones the Eagles takeover on downs. Theagles take over

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<v Speaker 2>a down that was a great call there again by

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<v Speaker 2>by Merlo Reese and Jalen Carter busted up that play

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<v Speaker 2>too at the beginning. I know they fumbled the snap

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<v Speaker 2>a little, but that is an incredible sequence. This guy

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<v Speaker 2>had three quick pressures tonight according to the next Gen stats,

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<v Speaker 2>like he is having that second year leap. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know if his raw numbers are that crazy, I

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<v Speaker 2>honestly don't know, but just by the eye test and

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<v Speaker 2>the film and everything, he's having that second year leap,

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<v Speaker 2>like he might be an all pro right now. And

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<v Speaker 2>that sequence with the fourth down stop two, which which

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<v Speaker 2>they make a good play on the edge he started

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<v Speaker 2>that play.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it kind of reminds me of watching like a

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<v Speaker 1>young Aaron Donald, where you didn't even need to see

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers. You just you saw ninety nine just blowing

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<v Speaker 1>up every play. Every time you watch on the game pass,

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<v Speaker 1>the condensed version, you'd see ninety nine breaking into the backfield.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of how it feels with ninety eight

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<v Speaker 1>on the Eagles right now. And there were times when

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<v Speaker 1>like Washington had a good play call on like they

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<v Speaker 1>had the numbers in the run box, they had the

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<v Speaker 1>blockers there, and then an Eagles defensive lineman, usually Carter,

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<v Speaker 1>would just blow up the play. And that's the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between these two teams right now. One is a finished product,

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<v Speaker 1>or as close to a finished product as you can

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<v Speaker 1>get with them, kind of like bouncing back after the

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<v Speaker 1>last year. And then you have Washington, a team that's

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<v Speaker 1>still trying to learn how to build around this young

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback who has who has given them a spark. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they're ready for games like this

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<v Speaker 1>at this point in the season yet.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's interesting, I was not expecting to come

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<v Speaker 2>into tonight and hear some Jaden skepticism from Steven Ruiz

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<v Speaker 2>where's he at in your QB rankings? But it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of makes sense, and I don't disagree with anything you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think he was erratic last week, which was

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<v Speaker 2>like a little concerning. You know, he missed more throws

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<v Speaker 2>than you would expect it, but there were the big

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<v Speaker 2>plays and he's really avoided big mistakes, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>is really to his credit, and that was true in

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<v Speaker 2>this game too. It is impressive for a rook But

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<v Speaker 2>am I fair to pick up on a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of Jaden Daniel's rookie season skepticism and where is he

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<v Speaker 2>in the rankings? Just tell me that too.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I think he's like eighteen seventeenth. Now I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to slow play it with the rookies. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like to, you know, give him your ranking.

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<v Speaker 2>To be clear, is kind of like an all encompass scene,

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<v Speaker 2>like how good are they at the NFL level? Y,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fair, guys with seven years of experience is tough

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<v Speaker 2>to top that.

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<v Speaker 1>But most of my skepticism has to do with Cliff

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<v Speaker 1>Kingsbury in the offense. Like I think, like every rookie,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be skeptical that they're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to carry over a hot start to the rookie

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<v Speaker 1>season to the second half, especially when the schedule gets tougher.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think Jaden Daniels' skills I don't question those,

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<v Speaker 1>like the skills that have allowed this offense to operate

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<v Speaker 1>like it's operating. That's like precise accuracy, especially underneath twenty yards.

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<v Speaker 1>And then his ability to run. Now we have seen

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<v Speaker 1>him kind of lose that. I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 1>the injury I don't know if he's hesitant to take

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<v Speaker 1>some hits now after the rib injury, but he's not

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<v Speaker 1>making guys miss in the open field as much as

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<v Speaker 1>he did early on. I mean, we'll see how that

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<v Speaker 1>goes going forward after he gets healthy, but that would

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<v Speaker 1>be my one concern with him individually. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>the more that teams are able to like sit on

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<v Speaker 1>some of these concepts that Washington has had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of success with and they start to figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>they're using the no huddle in the second half, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's just gonna get a little bit harder. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think like they're gonna go away. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>this offense is a complete fluke, and I think Jayden

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<v Speaker 1>Daniels is going to end up winning Rookie of the

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<v Speaker 1>Year and we're still going to feel good about him

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the year. I just don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be that, Oh, he's a top five

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback based on production and maybe even an MVP candidate

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<v Speaker 1>by the end of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was saying two weeks ago, I thought he

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<v Speaker 2>was an MVP canning just because the offense is based

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<v Speaker 2>around him and he transformed a team that just wasn't there,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was hard to argue with the efficiency. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's just the schedule. You played two of the

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<v Speaker 2>better defenses right now in the league. I'm comfortable putting

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<v Speaker 2>Philadelphia there as a top eight defense, whatever the number is.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly Pittsburgh is there too, and so you play some

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<v Speaker 2>better defenses and they won more than they lost. They

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<v Speaker 2>weren't disasters on offense this last two weeks. They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>make huge critical mistakes. They put up some points against Pittsburgh,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a lot of failed drives. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the fourth down decision, because, as you heard on

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<v Speaker 2>that call, Merril Reese is a little surprised they could

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<v Speaker 2>have attempted a kick there with their backup kicker Zane

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<v Speaker 2>Gonzalez to take a thirteen to twelve lead. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think about the decision by dan Quinn there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it's fine. I know it was

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<v Speaker 1>a low scoring game and you want all the points

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<v Speaker 1>you can get, but the Eagles were moving the ball

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<v Speaker 1>even in the first half. Like they missed the field goals.

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<v Speaker 1>Jake Elliott missed his two field goals, they missed the

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<v Speaker 1>extra point, so I think the score was being suppressed

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit and it wasn't actually indicative of how

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<v Speaker 1>the Eagles were moving the ball. And then Washington has

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<v Speaker 1>been money on fourth down all year long. They've been

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<v Speaker 1>going forward on fourth and short all year long. To

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<v Speaker 1>stop doing that, to go against your identity and the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest game of the season, I think that sends the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong message to your locker room. And it says like

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<v Speaker 1>if dan Quinn does that, and I was in that

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<v Speaker 1>life where I'll go, oh, he was scared of the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>like he's done. He does it against the Bucks, He's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to do it against the Eagles in primetime.

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<v Speaker 1>I would question him after that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I love that. I agree with all that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I give maybe I'm giving dan Quinn too much credit.

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<v Speaker 2>What I hate about coaches sometimes is when they don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel like they have a flow of the game or

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<v Speaker 2>they know where their strengths are, they know where their

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<v Speaker 2>weaknesses are in a certain game or in a season

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<v Speaker 2>in general. Sean McVay is like that sometimes. With his

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<v Speaker 2>fourth down decisions and the way this game was going,

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<v Speaker 2>I think dan Quinn knew the burst was about to

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<v Speaker 2>break with his defense. He had just given up a

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<v Speaker 2>drive where they got absolutely gashed. The play disparity, as

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<v Speaker 2>I was saying, was pretty massive and a field goal

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<v Speaker 2>was not going to win this game. Like he I

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<v Speaker 2>think he felt the way that game was going, they

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<v Speaker 2>needed to stay on the field longer. They need to

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<v Speaker 2>try to get seven if they can, and if they

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<v Speaker 2>can't pick up one yard over a three play sequence,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like bully to you, you're you're better than us today,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we need to be able to prove that we

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<v Speaker 2>can do this because everyone honking about not going for

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<v Speaker 2>that field goal. Oh, would have changed the momentum of

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<v Speaker 2>the game. It's like Philadelphia was gonna keep scoring. They

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<v Speaker 2>probably were going to score a touchdown or two more,

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<v Speaker 2>which they did not that dan Quinn is thinking we're

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<v Speaker 2>about to give up like two massive, big games. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think he knew they probably needed a touchdown to

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<v Speaker 2>possibly win this game and they didn't get it. And

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<v Speaker 2>you got to give him credit, Zach Bond on that

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<v Speaker 2>play on the outside, red blanken chip on the outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Their defense has really been special. No one is older

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<v Speaker 2>than twenty seven years old on their starting defense, which

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<v Speaker 2>is just crazy. They they had wanted Vic Fangio in

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<v Speaker 2>Philadelphia for a few years and they got him, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just was wondering if it was gonna work because

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<v Speaker 2>Fangio's defenses over the last handful of years haven't been amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>And the first month of the season they're figuring out.

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<v Speaker 2>And now you see how great Quinnon Mitchell has been.

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<v Speaker 2>He was against Terry McLaurin tonight, and Cooper Degen comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>You're getting much better play out in Na Kobe and

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<v Speaker 2>Nolan Smith has a big sack tonight. Josh Sweat, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is doing his normal thing. It's like, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good defense and that Fangio higher like looks like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the better coaching highers of the offseason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a big bounce back year for Vic

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<v Speaker 1>Fanjo and really the Vic Fangio tree, which had been

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<v Speaker 1>like so in vogue a couple of years ago and

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<v Speaker 1>then fell out of favor, and then Vic Fangio was

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<v Speaker 1>I think Jalen Ramsey criticized him in Miami last year.

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<v Speaker 1>I think because they weren't playing enough man coverage, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he goes to Philadelphia and he gets man corners

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<v Speaker 1>and they're playing man coverage. They're majoring in man coverage,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that was a big reason why they

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<v Speaker 1>matched up so well with Washington today. And really, if

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<v Speaker 1>you could play man coverage, you can match up with

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<v Speaker 1>any offense. The man coverage is like the catch all

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<v Speaker 1>solution to any offensive or any problem the offense can present.

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<v Speaker 1>So and I don't think that's going away. I think

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<v Speaker 1>these corners are legit, and I think that's the big

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<v Speaker 1>difference between last year and this year. You have more

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<v Speaker 1>synergy between the pass rush the defensive line, which is

0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.960
<v Speaker 1>playing better, granted, but you're also getting better coverage on

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<v Speaker 1>the back end, so those guys have a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more time to get after the passer and we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the fruits of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's crazy they really did in one offseason.

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<v Speaker 2>They were smart to keep slayh. I never thought they

0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.120
<v Speaker 2>were gonna get rid of him anyways, But he's having

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<v Speaker 2>a good year. John C. Gardner Johnson hasn't really worked out.

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<v Speaker 2>He's probably the one guy that they're not thrilled with

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<v Speaker 2>in the back end, although he had a decent game tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the two rookies, what do you think of

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<v Speaker 2>Reid Blankenship and Cooper dejen showing up to the stadium

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<v Speaker 2>tonight wearing exciting Whites T shirt. I think that's officially

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<v Speaker 2>the nickname Exciting Whites.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean that's a good sign. The vibes

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<v Speaker 1>are good. The vibes haven't been this good in Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 1>since the twenty twenty two season, or maybe even the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen season when they're wearing the underdog masks in

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs. But yeah, they are exciting whites. Like Cooper Degene,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess a lot of people like want

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<v Speaker 1>to call him a Gimmi because he's a white quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>but he could play. He's a good player. And Quinnon

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<v Speaker 1>Mitchell is the type of player who can transform a

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<v Speaker 1>secondary and allows you to do different stuff in the

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<v Speaker 1>back end. Like I think, if they're not getting the

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<v Speaker 1>years they're getting out of Cooper Degene and out of

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<v Speaker 1>Quinn and Mitchell, this defense looks a lot different, Like

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<v Speaker 1>how Vic Vangiem was calling. The defense looks a lot different.

0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.359
<v Speaker 1>And I think this game tonight would have looked a

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<v Speaker 1>lot different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and back Bond with a couple of nice

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<v Speaker 2>plays early in past deflection he's been he's been awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And and Na Kobe Deane's been rock solid. I had

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<v Speaker 2>someone in Philadelphia was interesting because Quinya Mitchell was playing

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<v Speaker 2>slot corner in training camp, and actually the Beat reporters

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<v Speaker 2>were like wondering, Hey, what's going on here, Like is

0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.600
<v Speaker 2>this is this going well? They seem they seemed uncertain,

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<v Speaker 2>And someone you know, within within the organization told me,

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<v Speaker 2>like very early on, they're like they were so excited

0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.840
<v Speaker 2>about quinn I Mitchell. They're like, oh, man, we got

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<v Speaker 2>this one right, Like this is like try to keep

0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.760
<v Speaker 2>keep a lid on it, but just feeling internally like, man,

0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.119
<v Speaker 2>this guy is gonna be really good. And I was like, Oh,

0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.680
<v Speaker 2>that's interesting. That's different than than what we've heard in there.

0:18:55.800 --> 0:19:00.520
<v Speaker 2>The confidence has been absolutely born out and and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe Hurts can be a little skittish here and there,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe it doesn't matter if it's a run first offense.

0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.360
<v Speaker 2>It really is kind of a run first offense. They

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<v Speaker 2>were so patient. He was fifteen for fifty six in

0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.520
<v Speaker 2>the first half of this game, Saquon, Like they weren't

0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.040
<v Speaker 2>getting a lot of push, like they're getting three four yards.

0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:21.159
<v Speaker 2>They weren't unsuccessful runs, but they weren't busted open. But

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<v Speaker 2>they stayed patient. And then late in the game Becton's

0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.919
<v Speaker 2>making blocks. My Latta's out there. The Jurgens had a

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<v Speaker 2>one crazy block where he just lifted a guy in

0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.800
<v Speaker 2>the air, like got Her is pumping his fists after

0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.200
<v Speaker 2>one of his seal blocks. I think on a Saquon play,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's it's all kind of cohesive and it

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<v Speaker 2>looks cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Yeah, it feels like the opposite of last year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it feels like. And yeah, I there are

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<v Speaker 1>concerns about Hurts. I've been a little I've been skeptical

0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.080
<v Speaker 1>of Jalen Hurts in the past couple of years. And

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<v Speaker 1>you can you can have your criticism about him holding

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<v Speaker 1>onto the ball in the pocket. I think he did

0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.639
<v Speaker 1>that a couple times tonight. He missed some open receivers.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think all of those criticisms were true in

0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:03.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two and that didn't stop them from rolling

0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:05.879
<v Speaker 1>over the NFC. Like he wasn't that great in the

0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.320
<v Speaker 1>pocket that year just didn't matter. And I think they

0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.120
<v Speaker 1>have the same ecosystem once.

0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that super Bowl man, that super Bowl is beautiful.

0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you get him to the Super Bowl, he's

0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.440
<v Speaker 1>capable of producing the performance like that. You could beat

0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 1>anybody you can almost beat Patrick Mahomes, but Patrick Mahomes

0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:24.159
<v Speaker 1>was just perfect on that night. Yeah. I mean, I'm

0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:25.679
<v Speaker 1>not going to say they're going to win the NFC,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would not be surprised if they're in the

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<v Speaker 1>NFC Championship. And if you would have asked me about

0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.000
<v Speaker 1>this team ceiling a month ago, I would not have

0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:32.640
<v Speaker 1>said that. And I think one of the big differences

0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.840
<v Speaker 1>the receivers are back, and that stretch without those receivers

0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of poisoned our perception of them. I think I

0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:42.480
<v Speaker 1>think it made me a little bit too low on

0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.520
<v Speaker 1>them and what they could be. And now that I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen that receiving core back and what Saquon can do

0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.640
<v Speaker 1>with them around, and with that offensive line, how it's rolling, Like, Yeah,

0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:52.919
<v Speaker 1>this offense could be like a top five unit at

0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:53.359
<v Speaker 1>its best.

0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And they're cross your fingers, like quite healthy right now.

0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.240
<v Speaker 2>They get my Lota back and is a very important

0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.080
<v Speaker 2>player for them. So yeah, when they were missing Goddar

0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:04.760
<v Speaker 2>and Brown at the same time, and they're underfeeded with

0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:08.040
<v Speaker 2>AJ Brown, especially if you watch those first games that

0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Brown was back, like he just was the whole passing game.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they just spam him on a slant whenever

0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.920
<v Speaker 2>they need it, or a go ball, and Jalen throws

0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.560
<v Speaker 2>those well, and A J. Brown's that good. I mean tonight,

0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.320
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't pop off the screen. He's five for sixty five.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would just say in terms of value to

0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 2>his team, he is as valuable as any wide receiver

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<v Speaker 2>in the league. I'm not gonna say like he's ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of Jefferson or Chase, but I think it's right there. Like,

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.600
<v Speaker 2>I think he's as valuable to the Eagles as any

0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:38.280
<v Speaker 2>wide receiver is to their team.

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<v Speaker 1>And like you've heard the criticism about this offensive scheme,

0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:42.960
<v Speaker 1>it's been like one of the most criticized schemes over

0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.640
<v Speaker 1>the last two years. Whereas like Justin Jefferson is getting

0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot of scheme help in Kevin O'Connell, Whereas the

0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Eagles like scheme is just like AJ Brown running a

0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.800
<v Speaker 1>straight line. AJ Brown takes two steps in a slant

0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.639
<v Speaker 1>and like you said, it's open every time. It's easy money.

0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I know they missed on a couple throws today, but

0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the exception to the rule. Usually that go ball

0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:07.240
<v Speaker 1>outside the numbers has been money for them, and especially

0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:09.679
<v Speaker 1>against this opponent, so I am kind of impressed with

0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.840
<v Speaker 1>what Washington did, especially in the secondary in this game,

0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.200
<v Speaker 1>because they've had trouble defending this offense when it's rolling,

0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:18.600
<v Speaker 1>especially those two guys on the outside. The last couple

0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.480
<v Speaker 1>of years, those guys have went wild on their secondary

0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:22.679
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't happen tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back in just a second. So your family are Commander fans. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, how is that you grew up, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Washington in a Washington household and then you

0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:55.640
<v Speaker 2>become a Panthers fan, And then how has it been

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.040
<v Speaker 2>this transition to Commander Land with Jane Daniels for them

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<v Speaker 2>and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're excited. My mom texted me on a Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>and she texted it was like it was like a

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<v Speaker 1>month ago and she just texted me the number twenty

0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 1>three with the question mark, and I had no idea

0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:11.240
<v Speaker 1>what it meant. I was like, what does that mean?

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I had Jaden Dangel's ranked at the time,

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 1>and she was questioning. She was texting me on a

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday to yell at me about my rankings. And then

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.679
<v Speaker 1>two weeks ago, I think, no, No, it's before the

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.760
<v Speaker 1>it was right before the bill bears Hail Mary. She

0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:27.080
<v Speaker 1>calls me and she's just like talking about the Commanders

0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:29.160
<v Speaker 1>to me. I'm like, Mom, I'm writing I have to podcast,

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 1>like this is my busiest day of the week. Why

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.560
<v Speaker 1>are you calling me right now? And then I hung

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I hung up the phone, and then literally like five

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.520
<v Speaker 1>seconds later, Jadan Daniel Stow's that touchdown for the win.

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<v Speaker 2>That that is incredible, And yeah, I want to speak

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 2>to the Commanders fans out there, because man, they're a

0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:50.240
<v Speaker 2>group that's hungry. They have so many fans and they're

0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:52.359
<v Speaker 2>out here in Los Angeles too, and I know a

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.879
<v Speaker 2>couple of them, and I think they're like heartbroken and

0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 2>they're like they're like mad. I think they're going to

0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:00.280
<v Speaker 2>be mad after this game that they did not look

0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:03.399
<v Speaker 2>quite in the same class of Philadelphia. And I'm just thinking, like,

0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 2>enjoy this journey here, because here's what's gonna happen. You're

0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:10.920
<v Speaker 2>seven and four. Let's look a little big picture. They're

0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna make the playoffs. Their next two games are against

0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Dallas and against Tennessee. Then they have a bye. They're

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna I think they're gonna win those games. They've they've

0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 2>really shown they're able to beat bad teams, and those

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.960
<v Speaker 2>are really bad teams right now. So they can be

0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:29.640
<v Speaker 2>nine to four. They can head into the buye. They

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:33.760
<v Speaker 2>have two games left all season against teams with winning records.

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:37.200
<v Speaker 2>One of them is the Falcons. That's a very winnable game,

0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 2>one of the worst probably teams with a winning record

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 2>in the league, like certainly that's that's a coin flip

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:46.120
<v Speaker 2>game at worst. And the other game is the week

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.680
<v Speaker 2>before it, and that's home for Philadelphia in week sixteen.

0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I posit that home game against Philadelphia in week sixteen, which, yeah,

0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:58.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, Philadelphia show tonight. They're probably a better team,

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:01.160
<v Speaker 2>but I think Washington beat them in a given day.

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I still think that'll be for the division lead at

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:05.800
<v Speaker 2>that point, because the Eagles are eight and two, they

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 2>have to play another game, they have another buy They're

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 2>at the Rams, that's tricky. At Baltimore they have the Panthers,

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.359
<v Speaker 2>so that's a layup. Then they're home for Pittsburgh. That's

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 2>all before that Commander's rematch. Those are three tough games

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:22.960
<v Speaker 2>in there. I think the Commanders are gonna hang in

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.960
<v Speaker 2>this thing. The Eagles will probably have three losses like

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 2>at best going into that game, and you'll have a

0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:33.399
<v Speaker 2>chance to get a spot for first place in freaking

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Week sixteen, a year after what everything that happened last year.

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 2>In like worst case scenario, you lose that game to Philly,

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:45.359
<v Speaker 2>you don't win the division, You finish the season with

0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 2>the Falcons and the Cowboys, you probably getting to ten

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:49.680
<v Speaker 2>or eleven wins, and you're probably going to the playoffs.

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 2>So like it's house money. And I also think like

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:56.280
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be playing big time games like the week

0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:59.879
<v Speaker 2>of Christmas this year, So this loss does not feel

0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:02.399
<v Speaker 2>like overly devastating to me. Philadelphia to me had to

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:05.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of get this game in hand considering the schedule

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:06.360
<v Speaker 2>that's coming up.

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and even when, like this team has made the playoffs,

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.119
<v Speaker 1>which hasn't happened much in the last two decades, but

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 1>every time they've kind of had a rally at the

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 1>end of the year to make it. Like even in

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve with RG three, I think they were like

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 1>three and five at at one point, maybe even a

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 1>worse record than then. They really had to win down

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the stretch. Kirk Cousins had to come in and win

0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>a couple a game or two to just get them

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.360
<v Speaker 1>into the wildcard. Two thousand and five, I think that's

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>when Sean Taylor was killed and they had a rally

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:35.439
<v Speaker 1>then with Joe Gibbs, when Tyler hennicky, when they played

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:37.119
<v Speaker 1>the Bucks in the in the playoffs a couple of

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:39.159
<v Speaker 1>years ago, like they weren't. They didn't look like a

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>playoff team until like the last week of the year,

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>and I think they won with some like ungodly record.

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 1>This year, they're actually like winning wire to wire, and

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 1>this feels like a race that you can pay attention

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to every week. Like I'm with you. I think, no

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 1>matter how this sence, you should be happy because this

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 1>is the first time you've been able to follow a

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 1>team like this for I don't know, maybe before the

0:26:58.280 --> 0:26:59.200
<v Speaker 1>turn of the century.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So the only game I didn't mention, by

0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:03.719
<v Speaker 2>the way, on the schedule was a game against the Saints.

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 2>So men, you got two games against the Cowboys, the Saints,

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 2>and the Titans. If you just can win those games,

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.680
<v Speaker 2>you're at eleven wins right there, without even beating another

0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 2>good team. And yeah, that two thousand and five team,

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I sneaky enjoyed that team that was like the Mark

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Brunell team, right, And then did we have a Chris

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Simms appearance?

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 1>They beat Chris Sims in the wildcard round, Yes, that's right,

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 1>and then they lost to Seattle, and then Seattle beat Carolina.

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:31.959
<v Speaker 1>I was really rooting for Washington to win that game

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>because I knew Carolina was gonna get washed by Seattle

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.159
<v Speaker 1>and in Seattle, and that's exactly what happened.

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:41.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so big winners tonight. Eagles fans, they can you know,

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:47.360
<v Speaker 2>they can enjoy beating Josh Harris, the Commander's owner at

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 2>a time where they are not happy with their seventy

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 2>six ers. And just before we go, I just have

0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:55.919
<v Speaker 2>to give a shout out to Joe Shane because like

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.160
<v Speaker 2>whatever he thought that the Giants g I should preface,

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 2>you know that famously in Hard Knocks saying that like

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 2>we didn't give our quarterback forty million dollars the handoff

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.640
<v Speaker 2>to a twelve million dollars running back, whatever he thought

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 2>could have been the worst possible worst case scenario, and

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:17.439
<v Speaker 2>whatever was in John Mara, the owner's mind, when he

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, was saying he hopes that it wouldn't go

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 2>to Philly. Whatever the worst case scenario is, this is

0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 2>so much worse.

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:28.359
<v Speaker 1>Right, Like, plenty plenty of gms have let players walk

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and have lived to regret it. But none of them,

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.119
<v Speaker 1>literally none of them have had HBO come in and

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 1>document the mistake in their building.

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Right, but have how many though, have let go the

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 2>franchise's best player at the time, in his prime and

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 2>he goes to a division rival who's much better and

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 2>he has like an offensive Player of the Year type

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 2>of season, Like I don't know how many times that's happened.

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 2>My rule in the NFL it was always like teams

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 2>never let players that they want to keep go, Like

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty easy to like, if a player leaves in

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 2>the middle of their prime, it's usually because like they

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of wanted him to leave, which was true here.

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 2>They did want Saquon Barkley to leave. It just was

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 2>it just could not have worked out any worse or

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 2>better for the Eagles and for us because if he

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>was in New York, like this wouldn't be happening. So

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I might be talking from the biased viewpoint of a

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Saquon Barkley fantasy owner that's like always mad when he

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 2>goes down at the one, but it always works down,

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 2>It works out in the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, where are you at an Offensive Player of the Year?

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Are you? Are you someone that says no quarterback can

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 1>win Offensive Player of the Year. It's only going to

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 1>a non quarterback.

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Now, Yes, I just used to refuse to acknowledge it.

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 2>I hated it because quarterbacks kept getting it, and I

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 2>just thought it was stupid. It was the dumbest protest

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 2>in the history of protests was NFL dot COM's editors

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 2>would send us to fill out all the awards, and

0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I just I just would skip offensive players. No one,

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 2>no one else knew other than them that I was,

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, protest. That was just so stupid. But now

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 2>non quarterbacks should get awards, So they should have a

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>like a non quarterback award, and then they should have

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 2>an offensive Lineman award too. So yes, so I would

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>say yes. So you would think, right now, who would

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 2>it be? It would be It would be Saquon, it

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>would be Derrick Henry her, it would be Chase maybe

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>you know that.

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I guess in the mix, I would give it to Saquon,

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Like what I would really do is give it to Lamar.

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 1>I would give it. I know you hate giving it

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 1>to quarterbacks, but like, I feel like he has at

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>least like a dual threat impact on that offense. Like

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:40.239
<v Speaker 1>he is the focal point of the run game in

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>the pass game.

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 2>So he wins ball.

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if you're not going to give it to Lamar,

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I would give it to Saquon over Derrick Henry. And

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 1>my my reasoning is simple. I'm not voting an offensive

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Player of the Year who's not the best player on

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 1>his own offense. And I think Saquon Barkley has been

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>far and away the best player on his offense. And

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 1>that's only really because A. J. Brown has been hurt.

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I think if A J. Brown's in there, you can

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>make a debate about that. But Saquon has just been

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>like everything for this team, and when they've gone bad

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>on offense, they've just been like, let's press the Saquon

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 1>button over and over and over again, and eventually something

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>good's going to happen that and it has. It has

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>literally every time they've won, it's been Squon having a

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>great game.

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Right, I'm looking at the numbers. He he's up. He

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>was at eleven hundred and fifty yards from scrimmage before

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 2>this game and then adds what almost two hundred tonight,

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Like he's maybe over six yards per Kerrie still on

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 2>the season, which is crazy. They need to work, you know,

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>be a little careful with his usage. He is. He

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 2>is on pace for like a monster workload. But I

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 2>like that. I don't like the Lamar thing, just because

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I never really understood some of the years when the quarterback,

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the same quarterback would win Offensive Player of the Year

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 2>and and MVP. It like it didn't really have any

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 2>rhyme or reason. It wasn't like super duper years they

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 2>get both. It was more just like there wasn't good

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<v Speaker 2>candidates or votes got split. Its just if the awards

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<v Speaker 2>that vague. I don't like it. And yes, I think

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<v Speaker 2>we if offensive linemen can't possibly win any awards, then

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<v Speaker 2>we should. We should come up with an award for

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<v Speaker 2>an offensive lineman.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good doll. I'm with that.

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<v Speaker 2>The Brian Balden the award. Stephen Ruiz, you can check

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<v Speaker 2>him out at the Ringer The Ringer Football Show. He

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<v Speaker 2>has a cat. What's what's his or her name?

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Ronda.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Ronda, Shout out to your your mom,

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<v Speaker 2>did she send you any text tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm actually I'm actually kind of concerned she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>text me tonight. I'll call her tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was a late night and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a long week here. This is one of

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<v Speaker 2>those weeks. How did I actually went to a concert?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm feeling it at my age. So I'm I

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<v Speaker 2>am glad we are done with Thursday night football. The

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<v Speaker 2>Picks show that we do every week will be on

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<v Speaker 2>Friday afternoon, me and Cynthia Freeland. I'm on a heater there.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixth straight wins on that, so check that out Friday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh until then for Stephen Ruiz, Yeah when uh when

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<v Speaker 2>Sake on Barkley is just making that crowd at the

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<v Speaker 2>link go crazy. You know football is back to see you,

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<v Speaker 2>Fredick

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<v Speaker 1>M hm