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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number one

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Speaker 1: tan the show. We are joined by a couple of

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Speaker 1: my friends out in Montana sit CAD Gears, Garrett Long

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Speaker 1: and Matt McCormick, and we're discussing some of their most

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Speaker 1: memorable white tail hunting stories, photography and conservation. All right, folks,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sitkad Gear. And today in the show, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be joined by my friends Garrett Long and Matt McCormick

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Speaker 1: from SITKA Gear and Garrett may nages Sick Goes conservation

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Speaker 1: related activities and Matt manages the Sick Ambassador program along

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Speaker 1: with being a professional photographer. And this chat actually was

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Speaker 1: recorded last week while I was in bos in Montana

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Speaker 1: for sit goaes Converge event. And when we get those

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Speaker 1: guys on, they'll give you the full scoop on what

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Speaker 1: that event was all about. But as far as the

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Speaker 1: conversation we had, um, I think you're really gonna enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: We we got into some pretty entertaining white tail hunting

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Speaker 1: stories that that I really enjoyed, and we also taught

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Speaker 1: conservation and photography and a whole lot more. So it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be some good stuff. You're even probably gonna hear

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Speaker 1: some shotgun blass in the background of this one, I think,

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Speaker 1: because we were recording this episode during the range day,

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Speaker 1: which was an outside event, and there's a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of shooting and other activities going on, so made for

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Speaker 1: a pretty unique podcast setting, I guess. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to that, I did want to catch up with

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Speaker 1: that man you heard laughing. He is my good buddy,

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Speaker 1: my co host, and a Yukon Cornelius impersonator, Dan Johnson.

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Speaker 1: You're kind of a butthole sometimes, but uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know how I used to talk to you about

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Speaker 1: you having like weak facial hair. Yeah, I saw a

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Speaker 1: picture the other day and you're not so much a

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Speaker 1: rookie picture anymore. You're starting to get past that too.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say a wily veteran yet. He knows

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Speaker 1: how to throw the you know, the wicked sliders. But

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Speaker 1: you know you got it, your your your gotee game

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Speaker 1: is coming up a couple of notches. I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: saying that. Every day I'm just willing it into existence,

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Speaker 1: hoping that please, just one more whisker you do you

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Speaker 1: do any just for man treatments? No, but I've wondered

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Speaker 1: if that would work. Yeah, I got ways to go.

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Speaker 1: But but slowly, but surely, I'm I'm becoming a man, Dan,

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Speaker 1: that's happening. So, yeah, how you've been? You know, you

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Speaker 1: asked me that every week, and it's pretty My life

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Speaker 1: at times is boring. It's uh, it's full bore or

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Speaker 1: it's pretty slow and uh, I don't know. Since the

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Speaker 1: last time we talked, it's been full borre, husband, father duty,

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Speaker 1: and not so much white tail related stuff. But I

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Speaker 1: the fourth of July. Uh is going to be one

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Speaker 1: change my trail cameras and um ah do all you know,

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Speaker 1: be done. Nice, that's good you got in the calendar.

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Speaker 1: Lockdown definitely gonna happen. So sometimes you have to do,

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Speaker 1: because it's so easy for life just to all of

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Speaker 1: up the right thing, dude? I'll tell you what. Um Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to put the phone on right anyway, but luckie Rookie

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Speaker 1: moved Dan. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry, man, I all

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Speaker 1: Oh we're keeping that. I like to embarrass you. Um.

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Speaker 1: How did you guys cook that venicone? Um? It was

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Speaker 1: That's fly together and enjoy some wild game. Was that you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: do and right amen. So, speaking of your garden, keep

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Speaker 1: and next year. Even because um I posted on Facebook

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Speaker 1: guy is a lawbreaker. He is not a true hunter,

425
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Speaker 1: he's not a true sportsman, and um, and that's that's sad. Yeah,

426
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Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, there's a lot of

427
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Speaker 1: instances where someone a well known figure, um, gets convicted

428
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Speaker 1: of some kind of hunting violation and it seems like,

429
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, okay, maybe this might have been just a mistake,

430
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Speaker 1: you know, And I can, I can. I look at

431
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Speaker 1: these and I try to take it then with a

432
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: grain of salt and realized, like you know, all of us,

433
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: like there are some pretty complicated regulations and and lots

434
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Speaker 1: of it's easy to maybe miss step a little bit here,

435
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Speaker 1: and they're not I can like give free passes a

436
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: little bit on and that when it's when it's a

437
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: sincere mistake and you you take you know, I've made

438
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: a mistake, and you pay your dues, and you do

439
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Speaker 1: whatever you have to do to to make up for

440
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Speaker 1: it and learn from it in the future. But I

441
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: think this situation was so like, um, so blatant that

442
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Speaker 1: it's something that that really got me just just so

443
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Speaker 1: disappointed that somebody would that would do this, that that had,

444
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Speaker 1: you know, the influence that I'm sure he had with

445
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Speaker 1: people because of his platform. I mean, as I understand

446
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Speaker 1: it from what I've read, they're out Elk Cunning on

447
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Speaker 1: a ranch and he was after this big Bowl and

448
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: he was shooting multiple times at this bowl and was

449
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Speaker 1: missing it and then ended up shooting and killing a

450
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Speaker 1: calf cow Elk. And then while he's on this they

451
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: had recorded videos. This is very clearly proven. They said, oh,

452
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Speaker 1: we gotta get rid of that, We gotta get rid

453
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Speaker 1: of that calf. Make sure to edit that out. And

454
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Speaker 1: then they ended up shooting that bowl eventually after shooting

455
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Speaker 1: like four different times and killing this calf, and they

456
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: dragged the calf into a ditch and hit it there

457
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: and left it and then took the bowl and just

458
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: went on their way. Um. And so that's want and

459
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Speaker 1: waste of game. It's irresponsible, I think, you know, just

460
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Speaker 1: firing off random shots into a herd of elk where

461
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Speaker 1: you might where you're killing another animal. Um. I mean

462
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Speaker 1: it's on a whole slew of things. It's just really, um,

463
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Speaker 1: a horrible example to be set. And uh man, we

464
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Speaker 1: just can't have that. We can't have it with any hunter,

465
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Speaker 1: let alone someone who's doing this and talking about it

466
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Speaker 1: to millions of people. So I'm and they're they're the

467
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Speaker 1: Wild Game Nation uh TV show. I don't know if

468
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Speaker 1: you saw this or not, but the Outdoor Channel put

469
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Speaker 1: out a statement and he himself and hit the Wild

470
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Speaker 1: Game Nation uh TV show is has been taken down

471
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Speaker 1: and will not will no longer air on the Outdoor Channel.

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Speaker 1: I did just see that a second ago. It'll be interesting.

473
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Speaker 1: I saw the use the word suspended, and it'll be

474
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Speaker 1: interesting if that's like a temporary suspension and they're in

475
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Speaker 1: a wait till it blows over and it comes back

476
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Speaker 1: next year, or if this is done zo um. But

477
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Speaker 1: I would hope um, and you know, we don't. I

478
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Speaker 1: don't know. I have one my my my gut instinct

479
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: on anything. This is always like we don't know the

480
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Speaker 1: whole story. I want to be like respectful of like

481
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: guilty until proven but or innocentil proven guilty. But I'm

482
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Speaker 1: pretty sure in this situation is very very clear. It's

483
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Speaker 1: very clear that it is guilty. He got busted, busted,

484
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: it's and it's it's convicted now, and it was an

485
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: egregious offense, and um, and he did it. He did

486
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Speaker 1: it previously too. He had other game violations beforehand. You're right,

487
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Speaker 1: I forgot about that. So so it's not like this

488
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Speaker 1: guy's some kind of This is not an accident. This

489
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: is this is a poor sportsman who continues to disobey laws.

490
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Speaker 1: And uh, as far as I'm concerned, he should never

491
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Speaker 1: have the right to hunt again. So whatever fine he

492
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: had to pay in his however many years suspension for

493
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: not hunting is like compared to what what it should

494
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Speaker 1: be my opinion, and I agree, it's um, it's just

495
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: a really disappointing situation. I keep saying that, but it's

496
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Speaker 1: it's just it's frustrating to see that kind of thing happening.

497
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Speaker 1: And I think this is just like a this is

498
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Speaker 1: another wake up call that we all, like people need

499
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Speaker 1: to be held accountable and we as individual hunters, I think,

500
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, in this case, it seems like this

501
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: is just like bad behavior that keeps repeating. Um, I

502
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: would say for other people, I would say, just when

503
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: it comes to just game violations in general, just like

504
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: a reminder to everyone, like really read that stuff in detail,

505
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: because there are more and more people like stuff getting

506
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: posts on social media all the time, and if you

507
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: are not paying attention to your regulations, you might mistakenly

508
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Speaker 1: do some small thing wrong and then share it with

509
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: the world and then all of a sudden you're you know,

510
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: finding yourself in a world of hurt because of that.

511
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: So I think we just it is right the responsibilities

512
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: on us as the individuals to know everything, and um,

513
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: we got to do that. So I'm just finding myself

514
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: like more and more every year, like obsessively trying to

515
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: read every detail because you know it just can't afford

516
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: to make a mistake. Um. So this is a great

517
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: reminder again to to to don't be that guy and

518
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: then also don't make an innocent mistake if you can

519
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: any way. Um, anyway, not so yeah, so's to come

520
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: on that topic too. Yeah, Yeah, it's a it's a bummer,

521
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: see that. It's a bad, bad um And we actually

522
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: Garrett Matt and myself go on to talk about this

523
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: at some point within the episode. I think, if I

524
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: remember this episode correctly, that you know, it's just so

525
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: important how always hunters represent ourselves and when someone who's

526
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: supposed to be a representative of us to the to

527
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: the to the outside world on TV, when they're representing

528
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: the hunting community so poorly, it's it's bad for everyone.

529
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: So let's just each of us as individuals try our

530
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: best to make up for it, I guess, and uh,

531
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: and not be the bad apple. So that's anything else

532
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: you want to add, Dan, you score those sheds yet,

533
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: you know I haven't. I just got back so late

534
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: the other night. I'm gonna try to do um. I'm

535
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: gonna try to do that probably tonight or tomorrow and

536
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: then we'll have that. But man, they are, They're awesome, awesome,

537
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: Thank you again, my friend. All Right, buddy, Well, let's

538
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: pause briefly here for our sickst story and then we'll

539
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: let you go, Dan, and we're gonna hop over to

540
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: that previously recorded interview, And here with our sickest story

541
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Speaker 1: is Spencer Newhart. For this week's sites story. We're joined

542
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: by Dylan Tramp, a public land archery hunter. Who tells

543
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: us about a sit Gigear helped turn day spent on

544
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Speaker 1: the prairie into his most memorable hunt and biggest buck

545
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: all right, one of my most memorable hunts to date.

546
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: That was a last fall in western South Dakota on

547
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: public land d I Y Archery mule deer hunt with

548
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: my dad. Got to spend some good time in the

549
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: field and had a few rough rough first days UM

550
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: Day one, Day two, Day three pretty fruitless. Then day four, UM,

551
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: the last day of our hunt, we bumped into a

552
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: really nice buck on the way in and about a

553
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: hundred sixty class mule deer buck. We were getting down

554
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: on our luck, starting to think it just wasn't wasn't

555
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: in the cards for us this year, so we pushed

556
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: back a little further today try to get away from

557
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: the hunting pressure. And another day striking out well. On

558
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: the way back to the truck, we decided, well before

559
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: we head home, let's let's class this one last draw

560
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: before we call it quits, because the direction that bucks

561
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: from earlier that morning had run and he might just

562
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: be bettered in there. And anyways, we go lasted forty

563
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: five minutes. I was already throwing the cards. My dad

564
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: whistles and says, hey here he then he gets up

565
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: and deer rebeds and repositions in the shade ends up.

566
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: It's about twelve o'clock. Just we know the buck's not

567
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: going anywhere. We've got them bedded in the perfect ravine

568
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: with the wind in her face. My dad's up on

569
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Speaker 1: the hill spotting, pointing me which way to go. He

570
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: directs me into about twenty yards, and we know this

571
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: buck's not going anywhere, so I'm just I'm getting cozy, relaxing.

572
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: About four hours into it, buck finally gets up, goes

573
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: right through my shoes and lane at twenty yards, right

574
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: around one big stage bush that gave me some cover

575
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: and just couldn't have rote it up any sweeter. It's

576
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: just good, good times done with my dad in the

577
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Speaker 1: field and hunter. I'll never forget. On Dylan's hunt, which

578
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: took place in western South Dakota, he was wearing sick

579
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Speaker 1: is Equinox system. If you'd like to create a sick

580
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: the story of your own what learn more about Sita's

581
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: technical hunting apparel, visit sick of gear dot com. I've

582
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: actually memorized that backwards though. Can you do that. You

583
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: should start the podcast without him reciting it backwards. Give

584
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: it to us z x Y alright, that that was three?

585
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: That was three. Well, we are here and we've been recording.

586
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: We are here at Sicker's Converge event. We are in

587
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: Beautiful Paradise Valley, Montana, and I'm here with Matt McCormick

588
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: and Garrett Long with SICA. Can you guys, let's start

589
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: with Matt, what do you do with sick of gear?

590
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Because you're here. Both of you guys are heavily involved

591
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: of what this whole event is about. So I want

592
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: to hear about this event first. But Matt, who are you?

593
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: What do you do here? UM? So I'm Matt McCormick.

594
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: I live in Bozeman. I spend a lot of time

595
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: with the guys over at SICA UM helping with the

596
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: marketing team and their ambassador teams, managing all three categories

597
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: of their ambassadors. It's right now, it's at about people

598
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: UM spread across North America. We have a couple. We

599
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: have one in New Zealand. We have one in South

600
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: Africa right now. UM. We have some in Argentina. We

601
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: have you know, they're spread out kind of everywhere, and

602
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: so it's about, you know, much like this event, it's

603
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: about getting influencers involved, getting the people that really truly

604
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: can influence their communities, guides, outfitters, local people, UM, media,

605
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: people like yourself, you know, UM, getting them involved in

606
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: humanizing this brand in a way that can that people

607
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: can relate to, you know, because I just feel like

608
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: sometimes people get lost and what a brand portrays themselves

609
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: to be online and uh, you know, there's a lot

610
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: that goes into that stuff. And this is a way

611
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: for for us. A program like this and an event

612
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: like this is a way for us to really connect

613
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: with with people we care about most. So, Yeah, something

614
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: that I that I've always appreciated about SICCA is um

615
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: it's a brand that personifies something. There's a brand and

616
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 1: it's not just an image. It's like a it's a culture.

617
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: It's a feel. How would you describe that sick something

618
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: the brand? I don't know, tell me what what What

619
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: are the feelings or emotions or thoughts that you have

620
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: about SICKA as a as a community, as a try

621
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: It's a good one. Yeah, Garrett, we need to introduce Garrett.

622
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: We'll get Garrett first. I want to finish swing you

623
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: we're roast man. And then then you know, this is

624
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: actually a really good question and it's something that we

625
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: talked about at SICA nearly every day. I mean there's

626
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: in every aspect of what sick it does, from product

627
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: to development and design to um, you know, a an

628
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: Instagram post that you may see and and everything in between.

629
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: This question is asked, what do we do doing? What

630
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: is the message? And you know what it all comes

631
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: down to is it's just you know, it's an overused word,

632
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: but authenticity is something that we really care about. We're original. Um,

633
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: we stand for hunters and you know that in every aspect,

634
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's not just about the pursuit, it's about

635
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: everything else. And and uh yeah, it's sick It really

636
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: focuses on the experience and that's portrayed through all their

637
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: content and everything. UM. But there's more than just just

638
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: the hunting experience. It's it's the lifestyle experience. It's it's

639
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: you know the way that you you you know from

640
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: to and from work, you know how you drive to

641
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 1: and from work, is you do it because you're a hunter.

642
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: You may take the long way around, or you want

643
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: to check a field or you want to you want

644
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: to go just swing ye all the time. You know,

645
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: you can always see, especially waterfall season, you can see

646
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: when when there's a big field of geese, and and

647
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: you can always tell the hunters because they start swerving

648
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: all over the road when when there's big fields of geese.

649
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: Everybody's rubber necking exactly. Yeah, and uh, you know, so Sika,

650
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: really that's what they're about. They're about everything. It's it's

651
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: actually very little about the actual harvest and everything, and

652
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: so much more about everything that goes into it, um

653
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: and across all three categories um. Today. You know, there's

654
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: there's just a huge lifestyle um that these hunters are living.

655
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: That's that is really untold. And those stories and those

656
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: uh you know why people are hunting and and what

657
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: they you know, just everybody is a little bit different

658
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: and and it's about the whole thing. You know, it's

659
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: not just about hunting. I I think, just to add

660
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: to matt is and why this event is so great is,

661
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: you know, Sitka, we're a bunch of outdoor enthusiasts and

662
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: and a bunch of hunters that you come into the office.

663
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: That's that's what we're about. Right. And and we love

664
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: to be in the outdoors, and we love to be

665
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: out there for a long time. And and so you know,

666
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: the gear aspect where that all comes into play is

667
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: the longer you can be out there, it's generally more

668
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: successful just because you get to experience nature longer. Right.

669
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: And so I think that that's what makes this so

670
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: fun is the gear facilitates that. And then when we

671
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: have an event like this, we can bring in these

672
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: guides and outfitters that are really at a kind of

673
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: the spearhead of the industry in a lot of ways.

674
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: Uh And and and we can just socialize with them

675
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: in that aspect. You know, we're just we're all hunters

676
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: and outdoors and we love it. So so what do

677
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: you do here? So my my position is pretty multifaceted. Uh.

678
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: I work with guides and outfitters um on the service

679
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: side a lot so um, you know, trying to trying

680
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: to see their needs, what they're seeing, because a lot

681
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: of their feedback is some most valuable feedback we get,

682
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: I mean day in and day out right um. And

683
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: then the other aspect is working directly on our conservation

684
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: efforts right um. And and just really trying to move

685
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: move the I don't want to use the compass, but

686
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: but move us in a direction that that looks at

687
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: at a conservation and holistic manner. You know, rather a

688
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: lot of times as hunters we look specifically at a

689
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: herd management as what we're doing is conservation. Um and

690
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: and uh so we're looking at how we can tell

691
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: more of that story beyond just herd management. Right. And

692
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: so you know here again at Converge, you know we

693
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: have a Shane Mahoney coming in right. Yeah, you know,

694
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: I always say is one of the best conservations of

695
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: our time. It's it's a privilege to be being you know,

696
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: just talk with him about and listen to him and

697
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: h you know, right there he's going to give a

698
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: presentation to guides and outfitters as as to what they're

699
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: doing and how it has purpose within conservation rather than

700
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: just simply heard management. But so much more that goes

701
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: into it. Absolutely um. It's it is nice to see

702
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: that a company is willing to develop the resources in

703
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: time of someone like you to focus on something like that.

704
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: I think that's important for anyone in this industry. That

705
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: should be a priority. So that's a good thing to

706
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: see yeah, And I think the awesome thing about it

707
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: is the brand is willing to support anything that's good

708
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: for conservation. So when when that's when that's your end goal,

709
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: it makes my job really easy, you know, because you

710
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: always have a brand that's going to back it and

711
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: the people in the office are always going to back it.

712
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: That was cool, That's a big deal. That's a really

713
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: good thing. So you mentioned Converge, You mentioned a little

714
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: bit of what's going on here, but can one of

715
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: you guys tell me what this event is, what specifically

716
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: are we doing here and what's it for in more

717
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: detail maybe if you want to a first step of

718
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: that and gear you can expand Yeah, yeah, of course.

719
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: You know, Converge is a you know, it's a it's

720
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: a gathering of all of our guides and outfitters, you know.

721
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: It was it was sent out to our entire guide

722
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: and outfit our program. We worked with w t A,

723
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: we worked with was a couple of different organizations to

724
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: help get the word out there. But you know what

725
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: it what it's all about is showing appreciation to the

726
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: guides and the outfitters um for everything that they do

727
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: and help add a little value to their lives, you know,

728
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: outside of the gear. You know, we all love this gear.

729
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: We all rather very passionate about this gear, and it's

730
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: it's changed the way that we live. It's changed the

731
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: way that we hunt. It's changed the way that we

732
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: look at hunting. But you know, there's more to it

733
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: than just that. And it was back to influence and

734
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: what you know, what we're sick As really trying to

735
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: do is is spend more time with these guys and

736
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: again humanize this brand UM. So it's bringing them in,

737
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: adding value to their lives, their businesses, and and also

738
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: just having meaningful interactions with UM, the guys and gals

739
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: at Sick of Gear UM learning a little bit about

740
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: about the product. Learning UM. We got partner brands in here.

741
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: You know, we're sitting here and in the paradise and

742
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: we got Banelli over here setting up a setting up

743
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: a booth and they're gonna be doing a you know

744
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of new gun shooting. And we got Kimber.

745
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: They're gonna be shooting you know, new rifles. We got

746
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: Leaphold here. They're gonna be showing off some of their

747
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: new cool stuff, their new opt Fate stuff, which is

748
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: great so we got Yedie, didn't you know, Dennis did

749
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: a great job yesterday doing a new product UM review

750
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 1: for these guys. You know, it's it's just really fun,

751
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: meaningful interactions UM that we can have UM with these guys,

752
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: bringing them all here, showing them what Bozeman is showing them,

753
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: what Montana is showing them, what Sick is, where the

754
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: roots are, this is where we all are. Meet us

755
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: and let's go have some fun. And that's why we're

756
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: out here. You know, we're a little bit early UM

757
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: and and so we've shot these shotguns and we're getting

758
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: things set up and having fun the whole time. Me

759
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: and Josh we're talking earlier. We're like just about to

760
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: get to a really good point and then stock out

761
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: of our conversation. Oh sorry at Waterfall Hunters. Yeah, you know. So,

762
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: so that's why that's that's why we're here. We're here

763
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: to show appreciation to the guides and outfitters and and

764
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: they've been some of the most loyal UM consumers of

765
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: ours for for so long. And I mean this is

766
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: I know it's a lot of people say this, but

767
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: it is the least that we can do for what

768
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: they do for us and you know, as far as

769
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: providing high quality feedback m on the gear making it better, um,

770
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: but also kind of showing us the ways of of

771
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: authenticity and and what really goes on out here. Do

772
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: do you guys ever see this expanding beyond just guys

773
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: and outfitters to be more like a rendezvous for the

774
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: entire sick Of tribe, so even average or other serious

775
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: hunters that are part of that sick of community. So

776
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: truthful feeling that would be super cool. Yeah, Um, probably not. No, Um,

777
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: the this is this particular event is a guide not

778
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: fit our event. We would like to see this event

779
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: continue to grow, you know, and the goals for an

780
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: event like this as the years come is is going

781
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: to be significant growth. Um. But within the guide out

782
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: at our community, what I could see happening is a

783
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: regional converge event that that extends past guys and outfitters.

784
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: But we do it. This event I believe will will

785
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: always live as this event. It might change locations every year,

786
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: we might, you know. I mean, there's been so much

787
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: that's been talked about in the last day and a half,

788
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: just you know, after the months of planning this thing,

789
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: there's there's tons of things that we could do, and

790
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: we have everybody is thinking of new ideas. UM. But

791
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: but I would say that we want to continue to

792
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: show appreciation to these guys on a really really high level,

793
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: a really personal level, and then UM start hosting UM

794
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: And is Jason listen to this podcast when which Jason

795
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: were talking about miclate. I'm not sure how often you

796
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: might listen. Okay, Well, I would like to, Well, I

797
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: would like to I would like to say that we

798
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: start doing start doing regional converges, is what I would

799
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: like to see, you know, as far as as far

800
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: as where this is going to go. Now, you know,

801
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: obviously there's there's more to it than just saying, you know,

802
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: let's go to Missouri and let's do a regional converge event.

803
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: You know, that's what we should do. That Well, there's

804
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot more that goes into it. But UM,

805
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: I could see we're all, like Matt said, we'll always

806
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: have this for guides and outfitters. UM. But I would

807
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: say I could see us having a rendezvous for general consumers.

808
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: But it would just that'd be separate. This is just

809
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: such a core group of people that make that makes sense,

810
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and you know we do. I mean,

811
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: we've done events in the past that like at s

812
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: c I, and we we host events at you know,

813
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: in in p A at the that's a great great

814
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: American outdoor Days, and and we've done you know, we

815
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: do all these events that are that are open to people,

816
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, and we'll continue to to advance those and

817
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: get better at those. And we're learning a lot lately.

818
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: So um, you know, looking at Lyle here, you need

819
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: to get Lyle on here. He's the mastermind behind it all. Yeah,

820
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: he's the guy. He's quite the main man, quite the

821
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: crew with that puts a song on, that's for sure.

822
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about a number of different

823
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: things that you guys, above and beyond just this stuff,

824
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: because both of you have some interesting white tailed experiences

825
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: to share. I think, Matt, you were on one of

826
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: our sickest stories like a year ago, I think, but

827
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: not even not even a year ago. But we only

828
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: got to hear like one minute of it. And I

829
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: know that's a much longer story. So I want to

830
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: pry that entire story out of you. I want to

831
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: pry out a mule their hunt story you told me,

832
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: which is pretty epic. I want to hear about some

833
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: of the more I don't. I don't know all what

834
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: kind of juicy might have, Garret, but I'm sure there's

835
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: something I can embarrass you with. And also, Matt is

836
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: a pretty darn good photographer, so I want to pick

837
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: your brain a little bit about that. But first I

838
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: gotta tell a story of my own, because Matt got

839
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: me in big trouble once, Garrett. I don't know if

840
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: you know this, but he he got me in a

841
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: lot of trouble. I don't. I can't remember if I

842
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: told this in the podcast or not. I might have

843
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: briefly covered it, but all right, So I was out

844
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: here white tail hunting um and I killed my buck,

845
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: I filled my tag. I came back into town, and

846
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: it was kind of like a weird thing, like I

847
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: came back to town, dropped off my buck, and then

848
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: I realized i'd be fun to just sit out in

849
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: the woods some more. So then I drove back out

850
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: like two hours away or wherever it was to go back,

851
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: and I thought I'd stay out there for a few

852
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: days and just scout. So I'm doing that, And then

853
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: on a whim, I always said, and now I want

854
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: to go fishing. Man, we got some serious wind huh um,

855
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: So I want to do some fishing. So I had

856
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: like a whole bunch of a lot of changing plans,

857
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: changing things around. So I end up going to the

858
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: Gallopan River there outside of Bozeman, and you don't need

859
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: where about the wind? Well it'll be okay, Um, I'm

860
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: gonna go fishing. I show up at the river and

861
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: the drive from the public land that I hunt there's

862
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: no service. So I no cell phone service that day

863
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: in the morning, so I hadn't talked to my wife

864
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: that day because I was driving that service. I figure

865
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: I'll talk to at some point today. So I hit

866
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: to the river. I'm fishing, having a good time. Then

867
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: Matt calls me. He's like, hey, you wanna go fishing.

868
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, sure, I'm already fishing, but where do

869
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: you want to go? And he's like, well, I got

870
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: this such and such place you should come. So now

871
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: all sudden, like all right, I go made up Mattie,

872
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: Gold me up Matt and we take off. Now it's

873
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: like noon or something. Usually I talked to my wife,

874
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: Mamable once to day when I'm a trip like this,

875
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: when I've got service, I'll check it and just hey,

876
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: I'm all right, everything's good. Well so far today I

877
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: have n't but still morning. It's not afternoon, no big deal.

878
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: But Matt takes me up into the tiniest little backwoods

879
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: canyon middle of nowhere to fish all day. And then

880
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: he makes me hike like four miles down this river

881
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere to go try to find

882
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: a cutthroat or whatever it was up was cutties. We

883
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: caught some browns, brown browns, I remember, um. And there

884
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: was no cell phone service up there, but Montana. You know,

885
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: we're having so much fun fishing. We're having so much

886
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: fun fishing. I wasn't thinking about it. So we're fishing.

887
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: We're fishing like eight hours, nine hours later, we finally

888
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: get done. We drive out. It's like ten o'clock or

889
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: something our Montana time. But some good fishing too. It

890
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: was fun, Yeah, it was. That was one of my

891
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: favorite little fishing and scurs is because of where we're at,

892
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: like there's no other people, we're all by ourselves. We'd

893
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: waited way down this river just kind of little little water,

894
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: picking little spots. And how about that dragonfly? Yeah, that

895
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: was that was wild. I haven't seen anything like what

896
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: was that that was? Explain that that was just a

897
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: hungry brown trout. That was that came out of the

898
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: water completely and ate this dragonfly like way out of

899
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: the water. Yeah, like a foot out of the water.

900
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: You hand that every day. And then right at this place,

901
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: so we this dragonfly thing happens, and then Matt's like,

902
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: all right, right here, we're to catch a fish right

903
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: here some Matt strip strip oh fish on, pulls this

904
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: nice fish and then we landed fish. Take some pictures

905
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: and he's like, all right, this right here, like ten

906
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: yards over, there'sn't be another one there. Strip tripped way

907
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: for way for him. Ever another one hoppers right were

908
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: hoppers And that was awesome, Like writing that little couple

909
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: of minutes to real nice fish right there and the

910
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: dragonfly incident. It was good. It was cool. It was

911
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: really good. Well what about Yeah, I'm yeah, where this

912
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: is going. We're having a good time. Everything's great. Um,

913
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: we finally get out of the canyon. We're driving down

914
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: the road. I'm like, I don't check in with Kylie now,

915
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: so I'll give her a call. She answered the phone.

916
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: It's like where are you. I'm like, oh, we just

917
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: had fishing. We had a great time, and shuts cameras,

918
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: the phone down and hangs up on me. I'm like,

919
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: what was that? What was that about? And then I

920
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: text her and she's like, I haven't been I haven't

921
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: heard from you in like over twenty four hours. Um

922
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: like your stuff, Like you didn't check in with this.

923
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: She her mom had kind of I think gotten her

924
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: all work because she called I couldn't get ahold of

925
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: me forever, my buddies ever meeting me, the elk hunt

926
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: soon couldn't get a hold of me. No one was

927
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: able to get aho to me. Kylie was freaking out.

928
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: Her mom, I think, got her even more freaked out,

929
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: told her she should call the police to check on me.

930
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: So she called the cops. The cops went to where

931
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be. I wasn't where I was

932
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: supposed to be. So now she's worried. I'm lost in

933
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: the middle of Montana, not picking up my phone for

934
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: a day and a half. She was so mad at

935
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: Migha she was imagined. And what was even worse. What

936
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: was even worse than how mad my wife was was

937
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: the fact that the whole time we're driving back and

938
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: this is happening, Mats just saying that. I mean, he

939
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: just laughed because it wasn't him. I'm like, I am

940
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: in such deep crap right now. Match, just that was brutal.

941
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: That was awesome. I've never had an experience like that

942
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: before that the fishing, or a wife mad like that,

943
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: girlfriend wife, Matt like that. You know, well, being in Montana,

944
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's expected that you're not going to have service,

945
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: you know, living the lifestyles that we live out here,

946
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's very little, sir. I'm actually incredibly surprised

947
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: that we have service here, you know, and where we're

948
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: at right now. And yeah, it's just kind of one

949
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: of those thing, was like an expectation thing, like lots

950
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: of times she knows on many places where I'm not

951
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: going to myself were won't have service, and she's finally,

952
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: I'll be out elk hunting for seven ten days and

953
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: she doesn't hear from me. It's fine, but I think

954
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: I had set the precedent right that I'm checking in

955
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: basic general time every day, and then you didn't know,

956
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: and then it didn't and then it was longer and

957
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: longer and dark, and you know, I'm up, I'm all

958
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: by myself, um, climbing up in a tree. She's always

959
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: worrying me falling on a tree or something like that.

960
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: So that's always in her mind. I think, like one

961
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: thing someone says, oh, well, this could happen, that could

962
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: have happened. That that makes her worry more, and then

963
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: it was the whole thing. Well, my my wife would

964
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: laugh at that because at our house it's the other

965
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: way around. So when I go out for long periods

966
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: of time, my wife says, well he's out of service, right,

967
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: or even if that precedent is set, she can't. She's

968
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: very optimistic, so she's never worried that I'm hurt. Where

969
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: when she leaves, I'm the guy that if you know,

970
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: I said, call me at ten o'clock. By ten o'clock

971
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: at night, and it's and she hasn't called yet. Yeah,

972
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: people are I started driving to Bozeman from have her

973
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: one time because I couldn't get hold of her. Yeah,

974
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: and then you know, it turns out she was just

975
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: on a trail run. That doesn't surprise me. At just

976
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: call me, I mean, is it that hard? Yeah, So

977
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: it goes. I learned that you have to get to

978
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: get to set the expectations, yes, and communicate when possible. Yeah,

979
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: I think for me, it's just Camille does a lot

980
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: of it, does a lot of traveling too, Sorr. You know,

981
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: we we are just hoping that we're we're good to go.

982
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: You know, do you ever do you ever worry about

983
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: Camille being more of a badass than you, Matt, because

984
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: I feel like that might be possible. No, I think

985
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: it is true, actually not possible. Matt's girlfriend, she's as

986
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: just a pretty much pro fly fishing superstar, isn't she. Yeah,

987
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: she is, She's exactly that she Uh yeah, she works

988
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: for Yellow Dog, does a lot of travel, um, kind

989
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: of does a lot of projects with SIMS, does a

990
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: lot of projects, you know, with Yeddie Um awesome Yeddi Films.

991
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: She was in this year. Yeah, Yeah, it's been great.

992
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's on the website now, it's kind

993
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: of it's yeah. History Channel released it um in December

994
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: last December, and now yeah, eventually yet I'll officially released it.

995
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: Probably wait for Alaska to kind of pick up here.

996
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: You know, Alaska is just getting going Alaska fish and

997
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: just can't going so um just stay relevant. I would

998
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: say that probably wait another couple of weeks a month

999
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: or so, and probably released that you can go see

1000
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: that along with a recent trip we did a Christmas Island. Yeah,

1001
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: you know there's some just some fun stuff. I walked

1002
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: into their house this spring and I'm like, man, look

1003
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: at that buck on the wall. Well, that's Camille's like,

1004
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: oh Man, look at like grizzly are on the wall.

1005
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's camals that. There's a lot of that. Okay,

1006
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: real quick, before we move on, we need to pause

1007
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: one more time for a big thanks to our partners

1008
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: at White Tailed Properties. And as I mentioned last week,

1009
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: over the past few years, we've had a number of

1010
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: White Tailed Properties land specialists on this podcast and they

1011
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: were terrific episodes. Today, I just wanted to give one

1012
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: more plug for those interviews because they are so jam

1013
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: packed with helpful White Tail knowledge. So when you're done

1014
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: listening to this, if you haven't yet heard him, check

1015
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: out episode number forty six with Dan Perez for some

1016
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: ship hunting talk number ninety two with Ben Harshine, where

1017
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: we talk about maps and using them to scout and

1018
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: figure out your property number. Again with Perez, when we

1019
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: talk about how you know, regular people like you and

1020
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: me can go about trying to buy their first piece

1021
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: of hunting ground. Episode number one eleven with Jake Elinger

1022
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: when we talk about small property hunting and habitat improvement tips,

1023
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: and an episode one nineteen with Tony Hansen we talked

1024
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: about hunting in heavily pressured states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, etcetera.

1025
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: So great episodes, I think I think you will really

1026
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: enjoy them. And next week we will be back with

1027
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: our little short white tail wisdom segments from white tail Properties.

1028
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: But until then, if you want to learn more about

1029
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: white tail properties, you can visit white tail properties dot com.

1030
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: And now back to the show. So okay, tell us

1031
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: your glory white tail story though, Matt, you went on

1032
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: your first big Midwest white tail hunt this past fall,

1033
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: and UM, I was headed to uh, you know. For

1034
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: for those that have heard you know, I'll start from

1035
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: the beginning. I kind of have you heard this Garret

1036
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: I haven't met. You're in for a treat. Yeah, I'm excited.

1037
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: So I met Donnie Wilson, who has been on here

1038
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: um from Ohio. I met him a few years back

1039
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: when we started the Master program. Um, you know Donnie

1040
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: great guy. You know if you follow him on Instagram,

1041
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: they you know, to shoot some big deer down there

1042
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: in Adams County, YEP. And h you know it's ah.

1043
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: It was one of those things where he's like, you know,

1044
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 1: I got Dennis coming out from Eddie. I got Derek

1045
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: coming out from Dennis is Zuck. He was on the

1046
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: podcast every week for like a year, giving us their

1047
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: little sick of tips and insight into the new product

1048
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: and everything. Like, so Zuck is like a friend to

1049
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: our audience. Of course. Yeah, so Zuck was there, um

1050
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: from Yedie who he works for Yeddie. Now Zuck was there, Um, Derek,

1051
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: I was there for Matthews, and then Brad was there.

1052
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: You know he was newly sick of guy and uh

1053
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, we got the whole place

1054
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: shut down. We're gonna have these three guys come in.

1055
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: If you want to come, just get a plane ticket

1056
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: and come hang out. You know, it would be great

1057
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: to have you in camp and and just come spend

1058
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: some time. And you know, at the time, I had

1059
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: nothing really going on on that particular week, and so

1060
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, sure, let's get this ticket

1061
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: book to do it, and uh, you know side note,

1062
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: it was the first time I'd ever hung out with

1063
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: Brad Christian, who's for those of you who may or

1064
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: may not know Brad, He's he can be He's extremely stoic,

1065
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: so he can be quite intimidating if you don't know him.

1066
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: He's a new you know, new guy. It's sick of

1067
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: um me being in my role. You know, you need

1068
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: to you need to maintain relationships and stuff like that.

1069
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: And so I was a little bit nervous to go

1070
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: on this trip, not only because it was a white

1071
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: tailed trip. You know, in your background waterfall like you're

1072
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: a super crazy hardcore or water waterfall hunter. You know.

1073
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: Last year was the first year I'd ever even started

1074
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: our tree hunting and um sambo shambo. You know. We

1075
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: ended up getting lucky and and and stumbled into an

1076
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: antelope early on, Yeah, in antelope early on, and in August,

1077
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: and then in September we ended up you know making

1078
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: that meal dear happen with the boat. It was really cool,

1079
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: So I had the streak going. That was probably the

1080
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: worst thing that could have happened. Who actually pulled the

1081
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: trigger on those animals? My good buddy Jordan Gill, I

1082
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: got to say, Um, so back to the white tail,

1083
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: it was. It was a trip that that I wanted

1084
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: to do, and I really wanted to scout it out

1085
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: for you know, potentially my dad and I go out

1086
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: there one day and spend some time in Ohio with

1087
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: Donnie and and spend some time with the industry guys

1088
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: and and just go white tail hunting for a week.

1089
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: And it's the last week in October. Well last year,

1090
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: it was really warm and a big white oak here,

1091
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: so there's acorns everywhere, so there, I mean, the patterning

1092
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: was early on, it just wasn't happening. You know. There's

1093
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: so much food, and the deer were kind of all

1094
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: over the place, and it was so warm, and um,

1095
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't pretend to know really

1096
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: much of anything about white tail hunting outside of the

1097
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: fact that I was going to Ohio and I'm going

1098
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: with a guy that seems to have something figured out,

1099
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I was looking forward to learning.

1100
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: And my week was filled with a lot of deer activity.

1101
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: You know, I saw, I saw a pre road activity.

1102
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: I passed on a three year old that was uh,

1103
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: Donnie said that he would have been okay if I

1104
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: would have shot it like it was. It was a

1105
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 1: good deer, but it was definitely a three year old

1106
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: um and uh I passed on there, they're superstar two

1107
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: year old. I had him at yards for I mean,

1108
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, just a beautiful, beautiful tan and but he

1109
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: was tune a half. And there was one deer on

1110
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: the wall that they're like, this is the only dear

1111
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: that you come here. You shoot any deer you're happy with.

1112
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: There's no there's no score limit or anything like that.

1113
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: There's no fee. It's just like shoot a trophy for you,

1114
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: except for this one. And it was just, you know,

1115
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: just a beautiful um two year old. And he ended

1116
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: up coming right under me eating acorns for you know,

1117
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: thirty minutes or so with another deer, and and that

1118
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: was really cool. I got some really cool video of him.

1119
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever showed you little um.

1120
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: So I had a lot of deer movement, um, but

1121
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: there was a couple of really big deer that we're

1122
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: on camera that we they had kind of kind of pattern.

1123
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: But it was like right in that transition period, you know,

1124
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: it's and of October starting to cool down at night. Um,

1125
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: there's definitely some movement happening and uh and we were

1126
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: trying to get you know, Brad was hunting this one

1127
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: specific deer the whole time. Dennis Zuck tagged out. First day, Yeah,

1128
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: shot that really nice nine Yeah, like one six or

1129
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: something really nice, dear. First day, Um, yeah, yeah, it

1130
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: was really cool and so um, you know, we we

1131
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: never had another encounter with with what any of us

1132
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: considered as shooters for the for the remainder of that trip.

1133
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: And so on the last day, um, you know we're

1134
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: seeing deer movement and stuff. But on the last day

1135
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: it's just you know, we're looking at our know, they

1136
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: got one of those big hunter maps on the wall,

1137
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: just like where do we want to go? What do

1138
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: we want to do? It's last day, you know, what

1139
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: do we want to do? And you know Donni mentioned

1140
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: something about in the back forty you know it's yeah,

1141
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: it's it's like just over nine acre farm. Um, it's

1142
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: like this back forty that they never go in. He's like,

1143
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: I've only been in there once to hang this stand

1144
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: and nobody's been in there yet this year. You know,

1145
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: it's just really really untouched as we got two looking

1146
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: at it. You know, it's just just up the hill

1147
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: from where Brad. Brad was hunting. This deer was by

1148
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: himself hanging out, and I think, you know, potentially car

1149
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: checking or you know, you know, there's some bait that

1150
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: gets dumped in that those areas. You know, I think

1151
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: there was some potentially some movement that was happening, you know,

1152
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: from from human interaction. And we're like, you know, they

1153
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: could have just popped up the hill and be going

1154
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: to a different food source. And this stand was located

1155
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: right in the middle of that, and so it was

1156
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: about a two and a half mile hike from where

1157
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: we were at. And they don't they didn't want to

1158
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: run a they didn't want to run a four wheeler

1159
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: out for me in the morning, Like, I'll just hike it.

1160
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: I'll just a legit. Two and a half a mile

1161
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: hike in the morning. Yeah, that's that's a white tail

1162
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: hiker right there. That's a serious hie for Because I

1163
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: had to go down big hike for a waterfowl guy. Yeah, yeah,

1164
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: for what especially in overweight yeah, you know, and so

1165
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: but it was because I had to go down I

1166
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: had to like work my way through and around to

1167
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: get because of the way that the deer were moving

1168
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: at night, I couldn't walk through. There was a shorter route,

1169
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: but I couldn't walk it because of the because kind

1170
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: of the feeding different different feedings and stuff like that

1171
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: big food source as well. Yeah, yeah, and even though

1172
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: we didn't figure that this particular deer was using any

1173
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: of them, you just from what I understand, you don't

1174
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: want to risk anything, you know, if if you can

1175
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: get in unnoticed and touched, So if we do it.

1176
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: Actually learned a lot about layering um in that, which

1177
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: is I mean a whole another deal. But you know,

1178
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: so I had a long hike um and I was

1179
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: pretty well stripped down for the hike, made it in.

1180
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: Donnie did a absolutely horrible job of marking the trail

1181
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: and ended up getting lost on the way, so I

1182
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,959
Speaker 1: had to backtrack through come back around. There was only

1183
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: he uses those little clothes pins with the like the

1184
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: tech type of thing. But it's like one every just

1185
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: out of reach, you know, with the light, and I

1186
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: know them close obviously there's gonna be deer round. I

1187
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: don't like the idea of just like shining your light

1188
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: all over crashing through there I actually made so much

1189
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: noise going in there that it was just ridiculous. I mean,

1190
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: there was there was down timber, there was brush. I

1191
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: went right through a briar patch, like a big, bad one.

1192
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: It was. It was just it. That's the worst. And

1193
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: I get to the stand and I'm sweating up. What

1194
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: did what did you have on? A lot too much? Well?

1195
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: Not really, I mean, I so I always wear a

1196
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: Marino bass and then um, I had my fanatic hoodie

1197
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: on and I had it all on zip, thinking that like,

1198
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take my time. I left super early.

1199
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: Nobody was even awake when I left. It's like last day.

1200
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit all day, made some sandwich, was like

1201
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna going and uh and that worked out. I

1202
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna work out great, but I kind

1203
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: of got lost, so I got in a hurry. And

1204
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: then I had to climb this hill that I wasn't

1205
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: really sure how big it was going to be. It

1206
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: turned out it was really big and and I'm just

1207
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: kind of filled with those big hills. It's rugged country,

1208
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: it's rugged white and uh. And finally make it to

1209
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: the stand, find find it and uh, sweating, I rip

1210
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: off a layer, get up in the tree. I thread

1211
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: everything onto the to the harness. You know, I had

1212
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: Celsias fanatic best. That's what I'd like. I like going

1213
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: Celsius jacket fanatic best. Um. I have everything on at

1214
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: this point because I got cold, so I got everything on.

1215
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: Starts getting light. I can hear some deer kind of

1216
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: moving around, and I have this dough walk. I can

1217
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: hear the neighbors running a four wheeler first thing in

1218
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: the morning. He must have been I don't know if

1219
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: he's dropping clients or something like. I can hear him

1220
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,919
Speaker 1: running like I need to. We knew that I would

1221
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: need to be in before that happened. And so I

1222
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: get this dough. I start seeing like movements coming from

1223
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: mountain front, which is the additional food source that we

1224
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: were thinking. And here comes this dough and she's coming

1225
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: right across in front of me, and I hear ah

1226
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: and just walking real slow bleating, just like coming right

1227
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: underneath me. I'm thinking, I'm new to white till henty

1228
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: when I first heard it oft in the disc since

1229
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's got to be a buck. But it's weird.

1230
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: It's like a weird noise. Why would have. I mean,

1231
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: it sounds weird, but hey, deer's coming and it sounds

1232
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: like it's getting closer. And so she walked right under me. Um.

1233
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: The best part about this was thermals were coming up

1234
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: with like no wind, and so I was just I mean,

1235
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: it had sprinkled brained a little bit, and there was

1236
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: some there's some water on the ground, and so it

1237
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: was all coming up. So there was no way that

1238
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: anything can smell me any direction around me, which is

1239
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: really cool. And so she comes out in front and

1240
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: we're you saying that she's making that like bleeding noise.

1241
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: She's making that noise. Okay, well I follow you. Interesting,

1242
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: So she's she's making just like just like a yeah bleat,

1243
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: a little bleat. Okay. So this is happening, and now

1244
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: you're thinking, okay, it's something gonna be following her. Something's

1245
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: probably following her, um, you know, but maybe maybe not.

1246
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: And then I have this buck he walks by, um,

1247
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: just like just in sight to my right, and he's

1248
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: going down the hill. I'm right on the edge, um

1249
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: of just like open and thick. I'm right on the edge.

1250
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: So it's so my stand location is fairly thick. Um,

1251
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: Donnie hadn't cut any lanes lanes in it or anything.

1252
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: There was nothing. It was just just thick, just a

1253
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: tree stand lock on. So she comes through, buck walks

1254
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: by far right, and then I hear a grunt and

1255
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: then it's it's like, noticeably, this is like a deeper,

1256
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: darker grunt. I can hear, you know, I had heard

1257
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: grunts all all week from these younger, younger bucks pushing

1258
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: deer run. Definitely something coming. And then I see off

1259
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: to my front left coming at me, um, one single

1260
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: dough and then another single dough, and then I hear

1261
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: it again and it's back behind, and they're coming down

1262
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: a trail right at me. They're gonna kind of quartering

1263
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: to me. And then this buck stands into this little

1264
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: opening at about sixty yards or so from me, and

1265
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: he stops and he just stands there for like ten minutes,

1266
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: and your thoughts and horror doing what at this point?

1267
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: I immediately so I saw this buck, and I so

1268
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to so so these these two deer a

1269
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,839
Speaker 1: coming down this trail and he steps into this opening

1270
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: and all I see is just from the front shoulder forward.

1271
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: So he's got a big neck he's standing very, very tall,

1272
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: and he's perpendicular to me. So I just see the

1273
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: side and I instantly knew that it was the buck

1274
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: that we had seen on the trail cameras. It was

1275
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: the buck that we were chasing, Like it was the buck,

1276
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: like that was him, there was no question, I mean

1277
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: it was. He's beautiful, big deer and he had very

1278
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: uh he had very unique color to his rack that

1279
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: really stuck out. And he sat there for I swear

1280
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: it was ten minutes. They made it almost all the

1281
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: way to me from sixty yards on a trail, just

1282
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: you know, walking be or he even took another step,

1283
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: and he's just watching doing buck things like whatever he's doing.

1284
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: And then finally he starts coming down the trail and

1285
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: he's coming down the same trail that they're coming down.

1286
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 1: At this point, they're about twenty yards, but they're behind me,

1287
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: and I have this spruce tree that blocks me, so

1288
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: I can't shoot to the left of me, um like

1289
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: back left of me, and this trail comes out back

1290
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: left of me. So they come down and they're sitting

1291
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: right here behind the spruce tree at about and he

1292
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: comes down and there's one opening that I already. UM

1293
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: pretty much ranged every little opening that I had, so

1294
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: I had a really good understanding of what everything was at,

1295
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: where everything was. My best angles were out to the front, front, right.

1296
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: He was coming. There was only two spots that I

1297
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: could shoot on the left, UM and he was coming

1298
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: through it and he started walking through. I'm again, I'm

1299
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: gonna say, rookie, white tail. He's coming down the trail

1300
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: and I think I'm going to draw and like shoot,

1301
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: like he's gonna stop in one of these holes on

1302
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: the way in. And so I go and I go

1303
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: to draw, and I can't draw. Like I go to

1304
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: pull back, I can't pull it back when he walks through,

1305
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: like like I'm gonna go, Like, I couldn't physically pull

1306
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: the bow back. I went. He was walking and he's

1307
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: going to enter into this hole. And I'm like, well,

1308
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: if he's gonna stop, if he stops in that hole,

1309
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: I need to be. I need to be. I need

1310
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: you have to be a full drawn. So I had draw,

1311
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: and I could not make it happen. Now were you

1312
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: just were you shaking like crazy? I wasn't. No, I wasn't.

1313
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't shaking really at all. I was just weak. Well, okay,

1314
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: I was just the entirely overweight water exactly. No, that's right.

1315
01:10:55,479 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: And so he walks through the hole and I'm just like, okay,

1316
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: not thinking that I totally missed my opportunity because he

1317
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 1: walked right through, so it wouldn't went it mattered. Um,

1318
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: So he gets he caught up to those two doughs.

1319
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: Those does are just feeding behind me at this point.

1320
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: Um they're at about fifteen. And he comes up and

1321
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: he starts pushing him around, and he's grunting at him

1322
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: and pushing him around, and he runs him back down

1323
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: the hill behind me, and uh, he's they're like feeding

1324
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 1: back there, and I'm thinking, wow, what a really cool encounter.

1325
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: They're gone, but that was a really cool encounter. Even

1326
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: if I would have been able to pull my bow back,

1327
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: like I didn't have a shot. There's no shot. And

1328
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: then I hear him messing around on the hill behind me,

1329
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: and then I hear grunt and then I and then

1330
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're running and they're running right

1331
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: at me, both the Does and he's behind him and

1332
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: he's got his head down and he's pushing him, pushing him,

1333
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: pushing him, and I'm like brinker calling me, and I'm like,

1334
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen right now. He is wishing them

1335
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: as quickly as he can, and they're coming, coming, coming,

1336
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: and they split and one goes to one side of

1337
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: the tree and one goes to the other side of

1338
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: the tree. And he's behind him and he follows the

1339
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: one coming out on my left. And so I draw

1340
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: and she runs out into the into the opening, and

1341
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: you got your bow back this time? This time I

1342
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: had it back. Yep, yep. It's a good steps. It's

1343
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: a good step. One step. So I draw back, and

1344
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: this is she's on a trail that's almost right under

1345
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: the stand, about ten yards or whatever, it's like that,

1346
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: and she comes running out. I drew. She runs out,

1347
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: and he's right behind her, and like here we go.

1348
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: And then he stops right behind the spruce tree, right

1349
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: on the edge. And I can see his face in

1350
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: the opening at ten yards, but I cannot see anything else,

1351
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: like I can't there's no shot. And he stops. She stops.

1352
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: So now she's at ten yards kind of front left

1353
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: to me. He's just right there and he kind of

1354
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: is looking around. He's kind of licking and he like

1355
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: messing around on the ground and he's rubbing his antlers

1356
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: on things like he was just doing buck things like

1357
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 1: right next to me. And I'm still at full draw,

1358
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: and she's here and she kind of works out in

1359
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: front of me, and I'm bare bones right in front,

1360
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: wide open, and and at the corner of my I'm

1361
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: just pretty fixated on him, And out of the corner

1362
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: of my eye, I see her doing the head bob.

1363
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: So she's she's doing dope things. Now, got me like

1364
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: she knows something's going on, right, She's she's looking at me,

1365
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: head bobbing at me. And this is I mean, I

1366
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: feel like it was a couple of minutes, you know

1367
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: that that this is like over the course of the

1368
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, these events, and she's doing this thing, and

1369
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: he looks up and notices are doing this thing, and

1370
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: so he knows something's going on. So the whole thing is,

1371
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: the whole thing is a mess going downhill very quickly,

1372
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, we've reached the climax leaving. So he starts

1373
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: walking back where he takes like three steps back where

1374
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: it turns around, gets back to the trail he came

1375
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: in on, and starts heading back out the trail. The

1376
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: exact way that he came in. And are you still

1377
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: drawn back at this? Still drawn back at this point,

1378
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to do. What else do

1379
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 1: you do? Down? Yeah? Usually let down, But that's not smart.

1380
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: She still doesn't know what's going on. She's she hasn't

1381
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: she's stomping her fully busted. You're not fully busted yet,

1382
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: So you don't want to. But I did. But I

1383
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: did level out, and she watched me level out, you know,

1384
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: because he's going back out on this on this trail,

1385
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: and I know that there's one two spots. If he

1386
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: stops in any one of those spots, like I know

1387
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 1: the range, it's thirty yards, it was like seven to one,

1388
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: thirty to the other. He's gonna walk through him. If

1389
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 1: he stops, I'm still gonna have a chance at it.

1390
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: And he's walking without moving his head or neck or anything.

1391
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: It's like just his legs are moving and he's just

1392
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: perfectly still walking very very slowly. And so he's retreating.

1393
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: She's still here um stomping her foot, and he's not

1394
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: looking at it or anything. He's just looking straightforward, just going.

1395
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: And he once, you guess it, stops right in the

1396
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: thirty yard whole stops right in it and just not

1397
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: arranged for you then right, and he turns and looks

1398
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: back at her, and so I settle in. Everything looks right.

1399
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm a little weak right now. We've been I've been

1400
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: holding the whole time, so I was definitely a little

1401
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: shaky um. But this was the opportunity that I had.

1402
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: I remember settling in bubble. Everything's good. I knew it

1403
01:15:55,760 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: was dirty. Let it go, and it looks it looks

1404
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: right like it's going. It looks extremely true. I have

1405
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: white fledging to watch it all. It's going extremely true.

1406
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: And then I hear this huge whack and all I

1407
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: can think of. The immediate thing that took over my

1408
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: took over my, my entire thoughts everything was that I

1409
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 1: hit him in the shoulder. I thought I hit him

1410
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: in the shoulder, which really gave me this overwhelming feeling

1411
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: of regret for taking the shot. You know, I just

1412
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: felt really bad about taking that shot. But it was

1413
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: the only shot I had, and it's but it sounded

1414
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: like bone breaking, you know, That's what it sounded like.

1415
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: And uh, he didn't flinch or anything, and he kind

1416
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 1: of took a couple of bounds like everything happened. And

1417
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: then looking back, there was a split second where he

1418
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: didn't move after I heard that noise, so he didn't

1419
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: really know what happened. Bounds off, and now he's stopped

1420
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: broadside at about fifty I got trees. He looks like

1421
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: a truck handing there, like he's huge, like the body

1422
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: of him was really big out in this little clearing.

1423
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: I can't shoot. I got too much stuff. But I

1424
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: can see his side that I shot at, and it's

1425
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: perfectly clean, perfectly clear, and and I realized that I

1426
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: must have missed, like I must not hit him. And

1427
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him and looking at him, looking at him.

1428
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: He's looking under me, but he's looking in my direction,

1429
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: and and he's perfectly clean. There's no blood, there's no arrow,

1430
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: there's no nothing, and he seems to be doing just fine.

1431
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: So she watches me shoot. She bounds off, gets to

1432
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: right next to him, and then she blows one time,

1433
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: and then he does this blow that was It was

1434
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 1: like a freight train. It was so loud, like so

1435
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: much louder than any dough I've ever heard blow before

1436
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: in my life. It was so loud. And then he

1437
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: jumped up did like a ninety degree turn in the

1438
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: air and was gone. And all I saw I was,

1439
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: I just saw his flag and flag and and he

1440
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 1: was just like bounding away like all four He looked

1441
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 1: like a meal deer bounding away. It was crazy. So

1442
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: how did you feel after all that, I mean, your

1443
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: first serious close encounter almost get to kill a giant

1444
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: wild imagine extremely bad bad, Yes, that sounds likely. Describe

1445
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: all describe all the thoughts of because at this point,

1446
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, take us and do your misery. And what

1447
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: I should have done is I should have I should

1448
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: have watched. So I snapchatted this entire experience that I

1449
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: had afterwards, I don't remember. I don't remember if I

1450
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 1: did or not after this entire So I what I

1451
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: did was I actually documented the entire experience via snapchat

1452
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 1: from day one, and so all of those bucks's I

1453
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: think it's Matt McCormick o five. Just like my Instagram account.

1454
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: It's pretty easy and so little plug for you. I

1455
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: snapchat at that entire experience, and so I had a

1456
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of here. Anyways, Um it was

1457
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: I didn't start to shake until after he was gone. Um,

1458
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: but I started to shake really bad. Then UM, I

1459
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: was feeling like I questioned a lot of things like

1460
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: what did I do wrong? What it started out with? What?

1461
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: What did I do wrong? Um? You know, should I

1462
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: have should I have waited to draw? Sh it? I've

1463
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 1: what should I have done? Like? And uh, what happened

1464
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: with the arrow? I couldn't figure couldn't really figure it out. Um.

1465
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: And but what a cool experience, right, And so I'm

1466
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm I'm having this like kind of

1467
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: it was kind of emotional, but it wasn't. It was

1468
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: just a really really cool experience, except for I felt

1469
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: like I let the group down a little bit. I

1470
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 1: definitely felt that at some point during that whole thing

1471
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 1: that that like, we all came down here as this group,

1472
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: and and over the course of the week, we became

1473
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: more of a team than a group of of random guys.

1474
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: We were we became really good friends over the course

1475
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 1: of that week, and I felt like I may have

1476
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 1: let them down a little bit. So I was pretty

1477
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: bummed out about that. UM just kind of it's kind

1478
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: of not feeling real great about the whole situation and

1479
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: shaking UM. That lasted for quite a while, like an

1480
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: hour or so, and I didn't see any deer um

1481
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: for for a while, and then I had some deer

1482
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: comes through I actually saw. Um. I ended up seeing

1483
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: like three or four more bucks that day. UM. I

1484
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 1: did sit there the whole the whole day. UM. But

1485
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: after and now and even that day, even by the

1486
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: time I got over this, you know, this feeling of

1487
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: whatever what, I don't know what that feeling is. I'm

1488
01:20:51,920 --> 01:21:00,040
Speaker 1: sure you have a word, sure, yea. I think I

1489
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: think that I started to realize that that was a

1490
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: really incredible experience. UM. You know, for me personally, I

1491
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: didn't have a whole lot invested in I had a

1492
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: week invested into that property. I didn't have a whole

1493
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: lot invested into that deer. Um. You know, it was

1494
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: it was virtually a guided kind of like a guided

1495
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: type hunt. Um. Donnie had some some something invested into

1496
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: that deer. So I felt kind of maybe like I

1497
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: let him down a little bit. But but I personally

1498
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: had an experience with a deer on a property that that,

1499
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, I may never have an experience like that again.

1500
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: And um, to have him in and around me for

1501
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: that long and watching him just interact at a you

1502
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: know kind of I've never I grew up in Wisconsin.

1503
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: I I've never seen a deer that's not running all right,

1504
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it looks like converge out there

1505
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: on the on the deer woods out there sometimes. And yeah,

1506
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: and you know, it was it was really cool just

1507
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 1: to see it not just a you know, not just

1508
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: a really big deer, but any buck that's having that

1509
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: type of interaction with the does at that time of

1510
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: the year, and it's kind of ending the trip, it's

1511
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: ending that week, and and it just kind of was

1512
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 1: a really good rap on the whole thing. And so

1513
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: thankfully I got the entire day. This happened within the

1514
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,879
Speaker 1: first hour. I had the entire day to sit and

1515
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,640
Speaker 1: think about it, decompressed, and I had, you know, go

1516
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: through the roller coaster, and and yeah, it was. It

1517
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: was a really cool experience. Man. I couldn't have I

1518
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: couldn't have. I couldn't have painted a better picture. And

1519
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: and that image of that buck when he first stepped

1520
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: into that that opening was I'll never forget that. I

1521
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: had him closer than that. I remember the basses and

1522
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: I remember that That's what I remember seeing, you know,

1523
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: everything else I was fairly focused on just the body

1524
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: of the deer and you know his movements, but that

1525
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: him and I shared a really cool moment when he

1526
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: stepped into my set and it's like he sent something

1527
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 1: because he stood there for so long, but he went

1528
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 1: ahead and moved on anyways and came in and that

1529
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: was really cool. That is cool. It's awesome, And I

1530
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 1: think that's one of the cool things about white tail

1531
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: hunting is like you can have I mean, obviously have

1532
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: incredible experiences of animals when you're stock and mule, deer,

1533
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: elk or something like that. But with white tails, it's

1534
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: a little bit different because usually you are a silent

1535
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: observer of their world and you're in it, but you're

1536
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 1: not You're not like changing it. You're just observing and

1537
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: got to be the right place, and then they enter

1538
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: that and then you have a strangely kind of intimate,

1539
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: like he said, some these weird little moments with deer

1540
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: that are very very cool, very powerful. Um, So, how

1541
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: how do you feel at white tailing? Are you gonna

1542
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: do it again? You have the bug? I would say

1543
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: that I do have the bug, and that's why I'm

1544
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: not gonna hunt meal deer in Montana, but probably the

1545
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: range maybe. Yeah. Yeah, if you go to the range,

1546
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: you spend more time at thirty. You know, one thing,

1547
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 1: one thing that I do and one thing that I

1548
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: do need to do is uh, you know, when I

1549
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: did shoot my meal deer last year, it was it

1550
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: was at a really steep angle. But in Montana, we

1551
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: don't have at our ranges, we don't have elevated, um,

1552
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: elevated shooting spots. Right much like in the Midwest you

1553
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: have a lot of elevated shoot spots you can practice

1554
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 1: that way. We don't have that here. Um, So we

1555
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 1: have to do makeshift ones off of rocks and stuff

1556
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: like that. So yeah, and the trees, yep, perspective is

1557
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: is different. Yep, it's definitely different. And uh no, it was.

1558
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: It was great. And I've always I've always I thought

1559
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 1: I would like whitetail hunting, especially archery, but that was

1560
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 1: a really cool experience. It definitely pushed me over the

1561
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: edge on on that because I feel like that was

1562
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: such a unique experien ants and I know that some

1563
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 1: people have experiences and encounters like that with big deer.

1564
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 1: You'll have to put the pictures of deer up or something. Yeah,

1565
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 1: we definitely Yeah, well a neighbor end up shooting it

1566
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: right and ended up being a It was a booner,

1567
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah, it was like just over one seventy. Yeah,

1568
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: we'll put a picture up. Yes, hey, you've been there too. Kids.

1569
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't really have any unsuccessful stories. No, okay, Well

1570
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 1: that was because it was Matt's only white tail experience.

1571
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: That was probably his best white tail experience. What's your

1572
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: most memorable white tail experience? So I've been hunting white

1573
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:45,560
Speaker 1: tails for just over ten years, and so yeah, I

1574
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: have a lot of experiences. One that stands out the

1575
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 1: most though, is hunting with my wife just just this

1576
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: last year, and uh, you know, we got to sit

1577
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: in a double stand. Um, it's a beautiful area right

1578
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: on the river bottom. Uh, and we had we knew

1579
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: all the trails right when when a deer came to

1580
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 1: where their trails split, if it went in a certain direction,

1581
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: we knew where they were going to be going. And

1582
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 1: so we get set up in the stand and it's

1583
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 1: her first year bow hunting, and so I'm sitting there

1584
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: next to her, and these deer come down this trail

1585
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: and they get to that split, you know, and they

1586
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: once they hit that split, they're coming. They're coming right

1587
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 1: at us, right, and you know if if they take

1588
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: that trail, they're coming, understand. And I'm an emotional hunter,

1589
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 1: so I've I've I've been fortunate enough to hunt, like

1590
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 1: I said, white tails for a long time. Every year,

1591
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: the first though that comes down the trail, I shake.

1592
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: I sit there and you know, shaking everything. And and

1593
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm not even the one hunting, right, but

1594
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm starting to shaking, and uh you

1595
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: know I mentioned jan I'm like here, it's coming, you know,

1596
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 1: and I can't even really talk. I guess like for me,

1597
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 1: like with me, like was with my wife, I'd be

1598
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: the one like freaking out. And then I look at

1599
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 1: her like thinking she's breaking out that she's like stone cold.

1600
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: So my wife just she's kind of looking at me

1601
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: actually like I'm insane, right, and why she's telling me

1602
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: to calm down, you know, she's like, your inexperienced hunter,

1603
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: calmed down, you shouldn't be doing this. And uh so

1604
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 1: this deer comes in and and we had just decided,

1605
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,799
Speaker 1: because of the way we had patterned these deer, twenty

1606
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: yards was going to be max and and you know

1607
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: that wasn't gonna be a problem. They come right underneath

1608
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: your stand in the spot. And so sure enough, here

1609
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: comes this dough and she puts her head down and

1610
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: I told you, and I said, okay, drawback right, and

1611
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: Jenny goes, I can't, and you know, and like I said,

1612
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm emotional. So I'm sitting there and I go, what

1613
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: do you what do you mean you can't? Why can't

1614
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: you dry? And she goes, there's this limb behind my arm.

1615
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 1: I can't draw back. And so I see what's going on. Well,

1616
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: where I'm sitting, I could draw back really easily, but

1617
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, my my bows hung up. Song like, I'm

1618
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: not gonna go down that route. Not gonna be that

1619
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 1: guy again. Um again, there's another study, like I said,

1620
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: an emotional hunter. Okay. Uh, so she's she's trying to

1621
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: draw back. She can't, she can't in this dough at

1622
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: fifteen yards beds down. Wow, was hanging up right in

1623
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: front of us. So now not only can Janna draw back,

1624
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: but we can't. We can't pull the switch right, We're

1625
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 1: just gonna be stuck. So as this dough is bedded down,

1626
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: we have I mean, it was no less than a

1627
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: dozen other doughs walk by and we can't. We're just

1628
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: sitting and watching, which was really fun um and it

1629
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: allowed me to calm down. She was already fine. So

1630
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: finally they all kind of clear off and we'd pull

1631
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: the switch and I get on the other side of

1632
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: the stand and and and she now can draw, and

1633
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: we're we're testing it and everything like that. And uh

1634
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 1: so the next dough is coming down and hits that

1635
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 1: that's that mark and I go, okay, you're you're good,

1636
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: You're ready, you know, and I start doing the shake

1637
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 1: thing again, you know, and I'm like and I'm telling

1638
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, Jenny, you're ready, you know. And she's like, yeah,

1639
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 1: I see you come on like you this one it's

1640
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: gonna come in, you know. And she goes, yeah, I

1641
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: get it. It's it's gonna come in. And it's at

1642
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: about twenty five yards and I'm I'm just like at

1643
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:26,719
Speaker 1: this um extreme intensity level, you know, I'm just so excited,

1644
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: and she goes, Garrett, you what, She goes, do you

1645
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: think I should get my dog a different vest? At

1646
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: that moment, I just started to laugh because she was

1647
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 1: so calm. And this dough comes in and uh, you know,

1648
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: twenty yards, stands broadside janit draws back, perfect shot, you

1649
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: know it? Uh? I think it ran like forty yards

1650
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 1: maybe after that, right. But what was amazing to me

1651
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: with that was I was so intense. And when you

1652
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: when you hear of her say something like that, you know,

1653
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 1: you think to yourself, was she was she there experience earlier?

1654
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: But she wasn't. She was. She was calm enough where

1655
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 1: she was just thinking as clearly as as we are

1656
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: right here, you know. And and as she thinks back

1657
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 1: to that hunt, she she talks about watching that dough

1658
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 1: and where it hit the splint and how she thought, wow,

1659
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: this this might happen. And and then you know, there's

1660
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 1: not a person in this world that's more appreciative. But

1661
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 1: it was so interesting for me because I'm used to

1662
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: being on this level of you know, like I said,

1663
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: I shake every single dough, you know, and yet she

1664
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: was so calm, and that's her first year, and that's amazing.

1665
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: I felt like I was with a professional hunter. That's

1666
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: just you know, yeah, this is this is beautiful. And

1667
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm inspired to try to reach the level

1668
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: where I can be like your wife daily. How How

1669
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: was she afterwards? That, you know. So that was what

1670
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:00,679
Speaker 1: was interesting is when we got out to the stand,

1671
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:05,719
Speaker 1: that was when all those emotions started to hit UM.

1672
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 1: And I've actually heard I can't remember what hunter I

1673
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: was watching UM, but he talked about how he worked

1674
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: very hard on harnessing his emotions until after you don't

1675
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 1: do you know, make sure you do everything the right

1676
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: way and then you can be emotional. And so that

1677
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: I guess what was even more inspirational was watching that

1678
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:30,440
Speaker 1: to a t happen, you know, just very stoic, poised.

1679
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 1: And then yeah, we got out and all the emotions

1680
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: rushed and and uh, you know it was a beautiful

1681
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 1: dough walked up and uh, you know, she was just

1682
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 1: so appreciative, you know, you walk you have different hunters

1683
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 1: out there, you know, and and watching her and how

1684
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: much she appreciated this animal unbelievable for me. How did

1685
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: it feeling for you to see your wife and what

1686
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: was the emotional experience like for you? Well for her,

1687
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,600
Speaker 1: as I said, yeah, as I said, leading into it,

1688
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think you could have got a

1689
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 1: pulse on me. It was going that fast, you know.

1690
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: And uh and then yeah, when I watched UM, her

1691
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 1: makes such a great shot. First, I have to say

1692
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: that was surprising, you know, just you know, you know,

1693
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: you never should be surprised, but first animal, you know,

1694
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: you're watching this and you're like, right serious, Wow, that's amazing. Um.

1695
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 1: And then that's I guess for my So we we

1696
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: were kind of like on opposite tracks there, you know,

1697
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 1: And so when that happened, I all of a sudden

1698
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: really came down to base level and just watching it.

1699
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: For me, I that's where I was a lot more

1700
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 1: calm than she was, but just kind of marveled. Honestly.

1701
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: You know, you can't do anything else than that when

1702
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:51,680
Speaker 1: you see somebody take their first animally right next to

1703
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 1: him with the bow and the level of poise that

1704
01:32:55,640 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 1: was demonstrated, but then the appreciation afterwards, you know, I

1705
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 1: just I literally I you know, I kind of stood

1706
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 1: back about twenty yards so she could walk up, you know,

1707
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:09,600
Speaker 1: and have that experience by yourself and just watching her. Um,

1708
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 1: that was really inspirational. Honestly, it really was cool. UM.

1709
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 1: And she didn't miss like you know, some other people

1710
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 1: out there, so she did. Well you might you might

1711
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 1: be served Matt to hang out with her a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

1712
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: I guess so, man, that's good stuff. That's always cool.

1713
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 1: I mean both of these stories are perfect examples of

1714
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 1: of of why any kind of hunting is just such

1715
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 1: a powerful experience. Yeah. Um, whether it be a solo

1716
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 1: encounter with an animal or sharing a special moment like

1717
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: that with a loved one. Um and with an animal.

1718
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a pretty profound and we're just

1719
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 1: very luck people to it. We're very fortunate, different than

1720
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 1: anyone else, anyone hiking or bird watching or camping. We

1721
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: get to not only observe, but we get to participate

1722
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: in that process. That's pretty special. It's cool. Yeah. So

1723
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 1: I like being a hunter. I love being a hunter,

1724
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 1: and you guys, um, yes it does so. Garrett Conservation professional,

1725
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 1: Matt photography professional. I want a little bit of advice

1726
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: from both of you on those two topics. Um, So

1727
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 1: for our listeners if they are looking to take their

1728
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: photo game to the next level a little bit, Matt

1729
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 1: uh any basic gear recommendations, and then any basically technique

1730
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 1: or things to think about when taking shots, whether it

1731
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: be just like senior shots or maybe a harvest photo. Um,

1732
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I guess, gear, any any gear thoughts and things to

1733
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: think about Yeah. You know, the biggest thing is is

1734
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 1: to ask yourself what do you want out of it?

1735
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: You know, what do you want to get out of

1736
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 1: the photos that you're taking? Do you want to remember experiences? Um?

1737
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 1: Do you want it to be really beautiful? Do you

1738
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: want to share those experience? Says? How are you going to?

1739
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 1: You know, what are you gonna do with the imagery?

1740
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: Is it just gonna go up on Instagram? Or you're

1741
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 1: gonna print some photos or you're gonna you know, build

1742
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:13,679
Speaker 1: calendars for your for your mom's and grandma's for their

1743
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: for Christmas? You know, what are you gonna do with

1744
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 1: the imagery? Um? And kind of work backwards from there?

1745
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 1: In my in my opinion, you know, you can spend

1746
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: as much or as little as you want on photography here.

1747
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: You know there's it is a never ending investment. And UM,

1748
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 1: what I will say is that you know there are

1749
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 1: some basic things that you need and what you need

1750
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 1: to decide if you want to a mirror list or

1751
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 1: a DSLR, so you you'd start there. You know there's

1752
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 1: pros and cons to both, and you can read lost

1753
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 1: and lots of articles about them. Is there is there

1754
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 1: a five second summer. You can give of each as

1755
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:56,760
Speaker 1: two pro cons at a very very hi level. Uh.

1756
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: I means it gets into you know, you get into

1757
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 1: a lot of technical stuff. It's pretty cool. We've got

1758
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:07,720
Speaker 1: people showing up here, so everybody knows. UM. You know,

1759
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 1: the the really quick rundown of it is going to

1760
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 1: be weight. Um is a big thing. So when you're

1761
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 1: looking at pro photographers, if they're using it based on weight, um, uh,

1762
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 1: image quality is actually really close to the same. Um.

1763
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 1: But they have their own lenses. UM. Mirrorless has their

1764
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: own lenses. Um. You know, DSLRs have their own lenses. UM.

1765
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: Dslars are, in my opinion, faster. Um. There. You know,

1766
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: you can argue it. You can put photos next to

1767
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: each other and they look almost the same. It's really

1768
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 1: tough to tell. There is some cons um but really

1769
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 1: you need I don't like to get into the into

1770
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,879
Speaker 1: them because it's like it's it's like, really you're saying's

1771
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 1: people it's jumping on you. It's sensitive, Well what do

1772
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 1: you shoot mirror lists? People are really pensitive because it's

1773
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: the new thing, you know, and it's fairly new. It's

1774
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: fairly new to this game. So what I'll say is

1775
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: that you need to just choose what's right for you, um,

1776
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 1: and then kind of go from there. Um so picking

1777
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 1: picking a good solid body, but really focusing on, in

1778
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 1: my opinion on the lenses. The lenses are what make

1779
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 1: the difference, what truly make the difference. If you buy

1780
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,759
Speaker 1: a six camera body and you put a two thousand

1781
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: dollar lens on it, it's gonna look really it's gonna

1782
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 1: look really good. Is it gonna look better if you

1783
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 1: put a three thousand dollar body on it? Of course

1784
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:40,600
Speaker 1: it is, But it's gonna look really good because the

1785
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:46,440
Speaker 1: glass is really good. Um So, UM investing in glass

1786
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 1: is what I would say. You know, you can get,

1787
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 1: you can spend. You can buy really good lenses for

1788
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 1: five I shoot cannon DSLRs and I shoot cannon lenses,

1789
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:02,679
Speaker 1: and um, you can get some really good stuff up there.

1790
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 1: All of their l series lens are great, Um, are

1791
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 1: really great. All around lens is seventeen forty UM L

1792
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 1: Series four point. Oh, it's affordable, it's a workhorse, and

1793
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 1: it takes really beautiful photos. Awesome. UM, if you wanted to,

1794
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, step up your game and and start taking

1795
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 1: just more beautiful images. In general, outside of the you know,

1796
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 1: outside of the shooting at the first hour, in the

1797
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 1: last hour of the day, which you know, for we've

1798
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 1: talked about this doesn't happen. You know, all the moments

1799
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 1: in the world don't happen in the first or last

1800
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 1: hour of the day. So you gotta figure out how

1801
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 1: to take photos at every other time of the day.

1802
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 1: UM is really just changing the perspective. UM. You know,

1803
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 1: what are you trying to capture. Um, if you're trying

1804
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,719
Speaker 1: to capture a kill shot, or you're trying to capture

1805
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 1: a wildlife shot, or or whatever it may be, just

1806
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: just change the perspective, look at the frame as a whole,

1807
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 1: and really try to figure out what you're what you

1808
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 1: want to do with it. Oftentimes you have a little

1809
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 1: bit of time too to figure out and frame it up.

1810
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:11,919
Speaker 1: And you know, one big thing, making sure the horizon

1811
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 1: is straight. Everything bugs me more than seeing photos or

1812
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 1: the rise. It's not straight. You know, your lines, lines

1813
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 1: matter the matter, UM, and the horizon is is for

1814
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 1: the most part always straight, so in our everyday life.

1815
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 1: So keeping it very simple, UM. You know, creating your

1816
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 1: own style, whether that be low angles or whether that

1817
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 1: be you know, wide angles or telephoto you know, really

1818
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 1: compressed it angles. It's kind of up to you. You know,

1819
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:42,680
Speaker 1: what do you like, what is your what do you

1820
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 1: feel most comfortable with. You know, if you look at

1821
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 1: a lot of my photos, a lot of my photos,

1822
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:50,719
Speaker 1: my subject is on the left side of the frame,

1823
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 1: so I shoot my right eye, I look across. My

1824
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 1: subject is almost always on the left side of the

1825
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 1: frame because it's the most comfortable for me. So I

1826
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 1: frame it that way because I'm looking across. If I

1827
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 1: try to look to the right with my right eye,

1828
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 1: it's harder than looking light. And so, you know, figuring

1829
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 1: out what works best for you and then just rolling

1830
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:18,799
Speaker 1: with it. Ummm use tripod is definitely something that people

1831
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 1: always they always try to hand held everything. Now as

1832
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 1: you create a steady hand, you can start hand holding

1833
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 1: more and more. Don't be afraid to use a tripod

1834
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: or monopod or whatever just to add stability. Um. Learning

1835
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,600
Speaker 1: I s O and its effects on the image, and

1836
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 1: how you can manipulate basically artificial light, how you can

1837
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 1: use artificial light to to make the camera think there's

1838
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 1: something going on it's not. Um understanding that and uh,

1839
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:52,520
Speaker 1: and then the last thing that I would say is

1840
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 1: is photo editing and understanding the basics for photo editing

1841
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:04,600
Speaker 1: is going to take your images to a whole new level. Um.

1842
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 1: You know, you look at any of these pro photographers,

1843
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 1: anybody anybody on Instagram that you follow, that is that

1844
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:15,600
Speaker 1: is you that you're considering as a pro. They're not

1845
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 1: taking photos directly from their camera and putting them on Instagram.

1846
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't care what they tell you. They're not doing it.

1847
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: They're editing photos. They're at least flattening them, or they're

1848
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 1: adding a little bit of something, whether it's sharpness, or

1849
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 1: they're they're de hazing it, or they're you know, bringing

1850
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 1: up the shadows a little bit so that adds a

1851
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,600
Speaker 1: little detail, or you know, whatever the case may be.

1852
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 1: You know, these images you can buy the best cameras

1853
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 1: out there, and they they don't look like that coming

1854
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 1: out of the camera. Only they do, but only very

1855
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 1: very rarely do so. UM for photography, I would say

1856
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:57,639
Speaker 1: that's you know, those are some main some main tips,

1857
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 1: some main pointers, UM for stuff. I hope. So there's

1858
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: so much to it, right, There's so much to it,

1859
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:08,519
Speaker 1: And really it's a matter of shooting and never stop

1860
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 1: learning because and never stopped practicing with stuff. And and

1861
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 1: so if you want to take a really cool if

1862
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 1: you want to take a really too cool kill photo,

1863
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 1: um try some different stuff. I mean, you have time, right,

1864
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 1: don't do the same old, same old, and just leave

1865
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 1: with that. Try some different stuff. Put on a on

1866
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 1: a wide angle or something like that, and and kind

1867
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:31,599
Speaker 1: of mess around with it. Put on telephoto and step

1868
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:33,599
Speaker 1: back and just see what it's like and and just

1869
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 1: mess around and and know that you're not in a hurry.

1870
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:38,839
Speaker 1: And and photography is meant to be fun and and

1871
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, platforms like Instagram have made it really fun

1872
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 1: and and you know, don't be afraid to share the

1873
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 1: photos that you're taking and and get feedback from people.

1874
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 1: You know, the people definitely definitely aren't afraid to give feedback.

1875
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:59,640
Speaker 1: So so where can people see some of your photography

1876
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 1: right now? The truth is the best place to see

1877
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 1: my photography is on is on my Instagram account. Um

1878
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 1: or you know, troll the sick accounts. You know, yeah,

1879
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 1: let's do that, um or you know yet he does

1880
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 1: some stuff, but for the most part where you can see,

1881
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, kind of updated stuff. Minus is on my

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Speaker 1: Instagram a count which is Matt McCormick zero five. There

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Speaker 1: you go, yep, or pick up a copy of a

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Speaker 1: recent magazine. Yeah, there's been a couple of magazines, you know,

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Speaker 1: the last two Wild Follow magazines have had had a

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Speaker 1: cover shot this last month, there's a white Tail. I

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Speaker 1: actually have a white Tail photo essay coming out in

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Speaker 1: Gray Sporting Journal next month. Um. Yeah, there's there's a

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Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit everywhere right now, which has

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Speaker 1: been I've been really fortunate to meet a lot of

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Speaker 1: the right people at the right time and and they're

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Speaker 1: helping me get the content out there. So that's awesome. Yeah. Man,

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Speaker 1: Well what about you, Garrett? From a conservation standpoint, do

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Speaker 1: you either have some advice as far as how people

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Speaker 1: can get evolved or do you want to leave anyone

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01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:10,760
Speaker 1: with some I think you know, involvement is pretty easy

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Speaker 1: to find, and we have gateways through wild cheap things

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Speaker 1: like that where there's experts that can really help you

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Speaker 1: get involved. Um. I think the big thing for hunters

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Speaker 1: to really recognize is that every public interaction you have

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01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 1: could potentially be the first time a non hunter is

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Speaker 1: introduced to hunting, not an anti hunter, obviously, because that

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Speaker 1: wouldn't imply that they've already had some kind of interaction

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Speaker 1: with hunting. But a non hunter, so you are either

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Speaker 1: potentially swaying them one way or another on this idea

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Speaker 1: of hunting. And with that, you know, we see things

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Speaker 1: because of us being so close to it. The acculmination

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Speaker 1: is always going to be, you know, kill shots, right, um.

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Speaker 1: But there's so much more than that. Uh. And if

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Speaker 1: you are a non hunter and you want to know

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Speaker 1: what this hunting things about, and and that's what you

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Speaker 1: see on a highlight reel or that's all anybody talks about,

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Speaker 1: that's their that's their perspective, that's their entire perspective of hunting. Um.

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Speaker 1: And what I like to think about a lot And

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Speaker 1: actually Mr Mahoney was talking to me about this is

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Speaker 1: nobody questions how a shepherd loves his sheep, um, but

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Speaker 1: why does he raise his sheep? Well, eventually they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be food, uh, much in the way that we do

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Speaker 1: for hunting. And we care for those animals much in

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Speaker 1: the same way. You might not stand there and and

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Speaker 1: move them from pasture to pasture, but our compassion and

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01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 1: passion for those animals is just as high. And why

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Speaker 1: is hunters have we not painted that is the picture.

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Speaker 1: And and it's because of of highlight reels of kill shots,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, really, it really comes down to that.

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Speaker 1: And so I would say, if I was a hunter

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Speaker 1: listening to this, just take it from a perspective. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to take it from a perspective of an

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Speaker 1: anti hunter, because sometimes it could be pretty difficult. We're

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01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: too close to it. But take it from the perspective

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Speaker 1: if you have never seen this before, and what that means,

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Speaker 1: what does this communicate to that person? Yeah? And and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people I think, on

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Speaker 1: all sides of life that that say, well, you know what,

1935
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Speaker 1: I don't really care what they think. Um, but the

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Speaker 1: reality is you have to start. Um, we all have

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01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:45,519
Speaker 1: to start because the majority of other people in this

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01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 1: country that don't hunt, they have the voting power and

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Speaker 1: all that that will determine the future of what we

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01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 1: can or cannot do, whether you like it or not.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, I mean, you don't have to like it,

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Speaker 1: but from a pragmatic standpoint, realize that's just a reality.

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Speaker 1: If we want to be able to keep doing this, um,

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01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 1: we need we need to listen to what you just said. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so yeah, that would be my my, my biggest,

1946
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Speaker 1: my biggest thing you know, at moving forward for hunters.

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01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:15,680
Speaker 1: We all have to work at that. Um, TV has

1948
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 1: to work at that. Unfortunately, in the last twenty five years,

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01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, TV kind of did a terrible job of

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Speaker 1: depicting what we do out here. They don't they they

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01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:31,160
Speaker 1: don't show Matt's experience the way he described it. Um.

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01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:35,679
Speaker 1: They just show the end. And that's important, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's not what it's all about. And I think it depicts,

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Speaker 1: um it doesn't clearly depict our lifestyle as well. You know,

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Speaker 1: being a hunter isn't going out and killing things. Being

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Speaker 1: a hunter we always say it. I don't want to

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01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: it's a cliche, but that kind of defines you, you know,

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Speaker 1: for how you live your life. UM. And I think

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Speaker 1: that we need to start telling that story rather than

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Speaker 1: just the end of it. And I think in addition

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Speaker 1: to that, back to your job, is that not only

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01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:12,800
Speaker 1: we need to tell that story, and a big part

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Speaker 1: of that story should be what we're doing is conservationists.

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Speaker 1: Because we always like to tout a hunters are the

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Speaker 1: greatest conservationists. You know, all of our tax dollars go

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Speaker 1: to pay for all this stuff, which is true and

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01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:25,719
Speaker 1: it's all great and good, but if you're not actually

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Speaker 1: walking the talk to and actually doing more than just

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Speaker 1: buying your AMMO and saying that's conservation, we need to

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Speaker 1: do more than that. It goes beyond punching a tank.

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Speaker 1: We need to do more than that, and we and

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Speaker 1: then communicate that UM as well, because I think action

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01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,719
Speaker 1: speaks speaks very loudly. And if I think non hunters

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Speaker 1: see not only are we doing things with respect, but

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Speaker 1: then they also understand that we are also compassionate. We

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Speaker 1: are all also working to protect these things, not just

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Speaker 1: saying and not just pointing at our taxes blah blah,

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Speaker 1: but actually doing things that show that care. And then

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Speaker 1: that speaks loudly. You know one thing that really works

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Speaker 1: for me, and I would do it if I had

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Speaker 1: a pen and paper. Here in every interaction I have

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Speaker 1: that involves conservation, I drop a little ven diagram um,

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01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 1: because in order for it to work, it has to

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Speaker 1: have three basic components. And you have access, a sense

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Speaker 1: of ownership, which would be hunting um, and then fiscal

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01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 1: fund slash political will. Usually they kind of go hand

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Speaker 1: in hand, right, UM. And if you take away any

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Speaker 1: of those three nearly every time, it won't work on

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Speaker 1: on a grand scale. You can have a you can

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Speaker 1: maybe have a park on a very micro scale, um,

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01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 1: but on the grand scale, it won't work. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: because if you take away somebody's access to that enjoyment.

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Speaker 1: We like to think as human beings were all great

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Speaker 1: human beings, but you usually don't care about it as much.

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Speaker 1: Right if you can't access it, a sense of ownership

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Speaker 1: goes to hunting. We like to say hunt hunters are

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01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 1: the best conservationists. Why is that we're willing to invest

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Speaker 1: in that animal far beyond what the general public is

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Speaker 1: willing to do. You go to a Wild Sheep Foundation

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Speaker 1: banquet and ask who all there has been able to

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Speaker 1: harvest the sheep. Usually it's people there have not well,

2002
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:19,240
Speaker 1: but yet they're spending thousands of dollars on sheep habitat

2003
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:23,839
Speaker 1: and that. So that connection you have is extremely valuable.

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Speaker 1: And then obviously you have to have the funding, but

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Speaker 1: usually it comes hand in hand with that, with that

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Speaker 1: connection and the access. So if if I was to

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Speaker 1: give advice for anybody that's wanting to get involved or

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Speaker 1: help make decisions out there, I would say, you know,

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Speaker 1: jot down that little ven diagram and if it falls

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Speaker 1: into those, it's generally going to work out. But if

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Speaker 1: you're missing any one of those, it's not it's just

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Speaker 1: not well. I think we've got some some good stuff

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Speaker 1: here to that, gentlemen, this is great. I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you of course. Thanks taking the time to do this.

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Speaker 1: Thank you a lot of fun. It's been really great.

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Speaker 1: Matt you got to plug your Instagram account snapchat. Is

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Speaker 1: there anything you want to mention, Garrett, whether it be

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Speaker 1: from a personal standpoint or sick at standpoint? You know,

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Speaker 1: I I don't. I think this is just a blast

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Speaker 1: for me. I get to talk to Matt way too

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Speaker 1: much anyways, but having somebody else around it's really nice.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I can break up the mona for you. Alright, guys, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you for this has been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: And on to the rest of the Converge event. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: and that is it, folks. As usual, you've heard me

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Speaker 1: stayed a million times, but I'm gonna keep at it.

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Speaker 1: If you can leave a rating or review for this

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Speaker 1: podcast on iTunes, it's a huge help, um And if

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Speaker 1: you enjoy the show another way, you can support the

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Speaker 1: podcast is to send a message or a tweet or

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Speaker 1: an email to our sponsors and let them know that

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Speaker 1: you pre ship and supporting the podcast. That would be awesome.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of big thanks to sit Ka Gear, Yeti Cooler's,

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Speaker 1: Matthew's Archery, Maven Optics, white Tail Institute of North America,

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Speaker 1: Trophy Ridge and hunt Terra Maps, and of course thank

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Speaker 1: you all for listening. Have an awesome rest of your day,

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Speaker 1: get to work on those white tailed projects and stay

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Speaker 1: wired to hunt