1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: AJ, you want to open up the show. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's goot. Congratulations to you on your team. 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: That was a great game, by the way, not that 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: I was rooting for your team, but I will say this, 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 2: it was a great, great game. The fourth quarter of 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: that game. The first half was kind of black, but 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: the fourth quarter of that game was incredible. I can't 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: believe I stayed up the whole time. And guess what's 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 2: got now? Drew Pomerance has to wear that ugly green 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: and orange uniform one day. 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: Top either did you hear about that? Drew Pomerance made 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: a bet with us and oh right, I forgot. We 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: were together yesterday. AJ has Devin Hester Hurricanes jersey. But 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: it's one of those little belly shirt jerseys. 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: Oh so. 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: It already got rejected. We did try when we were 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: on the interview with Pomerance, and we're like, all right, 18 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: we're not. 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: Gonna wouldn't fit on much. 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: It wouldn't even fit a art. 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: He couldn't even get it over like his shoulders. 22 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: That's true. I just maybe we can get them ash 23 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: medium though, since it is a Miami Hurricanes jersey and 24 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: there are many frat bros wearing mediums. Down there. 25 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 4: I'll tell you what the Miami receiver was. His last 26 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 4: name Tony or something. I forget his last name, but 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 4: he was unbelievable last night. 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: Quarterback. We'll calm collected too, mister Carson back man, you'd. 29 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: Be cool comic collective if you were thirty two years 30 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: old and had seventeen million in the bank already. 31 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: Scott, it's not college football, AJ, I call it pro. 32 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: It's pro pro min it's minor league football. 33 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: People love minor league football little more than they love 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: minor league baseball. Or in a different way, we'll put 35 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: its exactly. I love minor league baseball, but yes I 36 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: am not following the championship of minor league baseball like 37 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: we do in college football. Anyway, there's a ton of 38 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: news today, very newsy news. So let's jump into a 39 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: topic that I'm excited to have you both for from 40 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: the jump here, charge about Todd Father and I started 41 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: talking about this yesterday, and we're going to dive into 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: it again. AJ. You missed the arbitration fund that we 43 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: had yesterday, but you didn't miss the headliner. After our show, 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: it comes out that Trek Scouble and the Tigers. 45 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: Have a little bit of separation. 46 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: I think you just texted me a little bit of 47 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: separation between the two. So the reporting for Schooble Tigers 48 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: nineteen million, Scooble thirty two million dollars. And here's how 49 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: arbitration works. If you actually go to a case, they 50 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: find the midpoint. And this is Mark Feinstand explaining it 51 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: very well MLB insider. He said, it's the biggest ever 52 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: spread in arbitration. Keep in mind the number will matter 53 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: in a hearing. It's not nineteen or thirty two until 54 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: the winner or loser is decided. It's twenty five point 55 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: five million. That's the midpoint. Each side has to prove 56 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: Schooble is worth one dollar above or one dollar below 57 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: that number. So aj if the Court of Baseball decides 58 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: that an arbitration panel decides that Schooble is worth twenty 59 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: five point five million dollars plus one penny or a 60 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: dollar whatever, then he will get thirty two million dollars. 61 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: If they think he's worth less than that number, then 62 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: he will get nineteen. So what do you think of 63 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: this big battle we're about to enter. 64 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: I think both teams are surprised by word the other 65 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: one filed meaning Schooble's team and the Tigers, because I 66 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: don't think I think the record for arbitration is nineteen 67 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: point seventy five. David Price with I believe the Tigers. 68 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: So for a pitcher. 69 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: He dated for a pitcher, sorry for a pitcher. So 70 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: the Tigers are probably thinking, well, we went to nineteen 71 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: how much higher can he be? 72 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: Oh? 73 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: Thirty two? He is the back to back Say Young 74 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: Award winner. I hope he wins, just because I want 75 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: the players to get all the money. Listen to somebody 76 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: that went through this arbitration process. It sucks as a 77 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: player because you just sit there across He's gonna sit 78 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: across from Scott Harris and all a couple other front 79 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: office people that he knows well, and they're gonna say 80 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: how bad Tarrek Schouble is at this, and how bad 81 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: Terreork Schooble is at that. And you walk out of 82 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: there and you're like, I hate this team because they 83 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: just blast you. Now, if you can go in there 84 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: with an open mind and just say they're just doing 85 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: their job. It's hard, though, And I don't know how 86 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: he's going to be a free agent after this, because 87 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: after you go through this unless they offer you just 88 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: a massive contract, which you haven't been willing to do. 89 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: He's gonna walk away from this with the bad taste 90 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: in his mouth. And if I was the Tigers, I'd 91 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: just be like, how about we give you twenty five 92 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: million right now? 93 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: Now? 94 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: What do you say? No? 95 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: You know you think he would, you think maybe get 96 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: to this point. I think he's going to be pretty 97 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: tough with them because I'd be pissed. I want back 98 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: to back cy Young Awards, and I know Todd father 99 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: has experience with this. Before you go, Todd, I just 100 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: want to point out David Price holds that record nineteen 101 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: point seventy five million that records from twin twenty fifteen. 102 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen, the Tigers filed less than what David Price 103 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: got a decade plus a go Ino Cyrus pointed out 104 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,559 Speaker 1: on Twitter that nineteen point seventy five million, just based 105 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: on inflation alone, is now worth twenty seven million dollars 106 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: and Schooble had a better season than Price and it's 107 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: back to back cy Young Awards. So if I'm making 108 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: that case, I'm feeling really strongly right now that they're 109 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: going to tip the scales towards me being worth a 110 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 1: little more than twenty five And if that's the case, 111 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: I might as well just sit pretty state my case 112 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: and get thirty two million dollars and really change the sport. 113 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: Starting pitchers are underpaid in arbitration. 114 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, And to go back to all your points here, 115 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 4: it's funny David Price. It was eleven years ago, nineteen 116 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 4: point seven five, he didn't even win a cy Young 117 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 4: and he got nineteen point seven five. I think this 118 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 4: case right here, I think school boy has it in 119 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 4: my opinion. I think he has it in the bag. 120 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 4: If you want the truth, I think the team is 121 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 4: going to go back and look at Jacob deGrom. I 122 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 4: was looking all this up. He had one cy Young 123 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 4: and he got seventeen million. But this is his second 124 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 4: one Schooble, second in a row. So where do you 125 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 4: put that price range? I put it up there just 126 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: I think the price is just where it needs to be. 127 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 4: And you know, you look back on some of these 128 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 4: things again we talk about Price. He didn't have a 129 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 4: cy Young Award. It was that nineteen seventy five. So 130 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 4: where does two cy Young awards make them? I honestly 131 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 4: think it's in the bag. I think Schooble made the 132 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 4: right choice by going a little bit higher. And I 133 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 4: think if you look at the value of twenty twenty five, 134 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 4: whatever it was, if it's dollar over a dollar. 135 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: Less, I think it's an easy, easy win for him. 136 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 4: I don't know how he can lose this one, knowing 137 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: that he's pretty much the undisputed best pitcher in baseball. 138 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 4: He's got two Cy Young Award awards, and you know, 139 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 4: if we're going back to each of these things, I 140 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 4: think I think he has this one in the bag. 141 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: Scott a j. 142 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also Todd Father, by the way, give me 143 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: a little tilt this way, right, babe, Yeah, on the 144 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: same camera. Well, because he's lee by the way, but 145 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: it took the day off. 146 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: Something that helps it helps him, by the way, school 147 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 2: is he because he's in his sixth year, which is 148 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: he's five plus, he can use other pitchers contracts as 149 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: a comp He can use Zach Wheeler at forty two. 150 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: He can use Jacob b. Gram at thirty seven million. Right. 151 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: So he's saying, man, if those guys are worth that, 152 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: I have two cy Young's under my belt the last 153 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: two years, pay me and listen as somebody that went 154 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: through this again and at the time, now this was 155 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: two thousand and four, I set a record for the 156 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: highest three plus catcher and first time arbitration catcher. At 157 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: the time, it wasn't very much, but it wasn't thirty 158 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: whatever million. He wants, trust me. But the Union wants 159 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: these wins, The Player Association wants these wins, and the 160 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: owners don't want them to win. So both sides are 161 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: going to throw everything they have. They had me go 162 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: last and arbitration in two thousand and four because I 163 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: was trying to set a record for catchers and I won, 164 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: so the Union, obviously, the PA was excited. The owners, 165 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: and I was on the Giants at time, they were 166 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: very happy, right So, but both sides through everything they 167 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: had at it because the owners want to keep the 168 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: salaries down. The PA wants the salaries to go up, 169 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: and arbitration is one way for them to try to 170 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: regulate this. So both teams are going to both sides 171 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: are going to go hard, hard at this and it's 172 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: going to be fascinating. I hope he gets it. I 173 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: hope he wins because it'll only help players in the future. 174 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: And to finish a point too. Look, look, at CESE. 175 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 4: He just got thirty million dollars in free agency after 176 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 4: being hurt, So, like, you got to take all this 177 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 4: into accountability. There's so much leaning towards Schoogle being that 178 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 4: guy to make this money. If if he does lose, 179 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 4: I don't know how just because of all the cases 180 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 4: of what he has right now. 181 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back and look at everything. 182 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 3: But again, I'm not an arbiter. I'm not in the court. 183 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: I'm not there. 184 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: I don't know what else they can go by besides 185 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: Jacob de gram seventeen million after one cy young. To me, 186 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 4: I feel like, I know, thirty two and nineteen is 187 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 4: a huge difference, but I think he's worked every point 188 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: of that thirty two million dollars. 189 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And also, just for clarification, I don't think Cease 190 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: has been durable. He's been okay, But I you're saying, 191 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean Cease obviously isn't Schoogle. There's a big difference. 192 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: That's what I'm hearing. These guys are getting paid, and yeah, 193 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: he deserves more than what these guys are getting a 194 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 3: lot more. 195 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: To me, this is a fundamental issue in the sport 196 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: right now, among many But why eleven years later is 197 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: the number of the same like in what world? Well, 198 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but the revenue numbers 199 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: back then probably not as shiny, probably half that, maybe 200 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more. 201 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: So. 202 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: We talked about inflation the whole deal. It'll be a 203 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: great battle. 204 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: If you're the tigers, though, why don't you go and 205 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: say we'll give you twenty seven, twenty eight thirty right now. Hey, 206 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: we'll go over the midpoint right now and get this 207 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: done so you don't have to go sit in that 208 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: room if you have a chance of resigning them. 209 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: Are you, Yeah, you're allowed to. 210 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: You can sign up to the minute. You can sign 211 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: up to the minute that the trial starts. And for 212 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: those people that have never heard of what happens at arbitration. 213 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: You walk in. There's these long table. It's shaped like 214 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: a te it's shaped like this. There's three arbitrators sitting 215 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: at this end, the players Association and the player on 216 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: this side, and on the other side of the GMS 217 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: and the the in the owner's people. And you sit 218 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: there and you as a player, you sit right at 219 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: the tee right here, and right across from you is 220 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: the GM or the assistant GM. Whoever is running the case, 221 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 2: and you just stare at them, and the union says, 222 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: do not make any emotions, no matter what kind of 223 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: stuff they what kind of bullshit they tell. And when 224 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 2: my case, they told some serious bullshit, and there was 225 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: a couple of times where my agent had to kick 226 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: me under the table because I wanted to like laugh 227 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: at some of the stuff they pull out. Stuff you 228 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 2: just don't even think is is even it's not relevant, 229 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: but they just pull it out. 230 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: And the arbitration panels not that smart on baseball, or 231 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: often it's not that smart on baseball. I guess that's 232 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: for them. Kind of the point. I don't know, right, 233 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: Like you're just independent. You're supposed to come in there 234 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: and just be like, present me what you've got. There's 235 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: some teams and I don't remember what the list is. 236 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: There are some teams that have a file and trial, 237 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: meaning yesterday is the deadline. You either figure it out 238 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: or refile our numbers. But most teams nowadays can still 239 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: settle between the time period yesterday of the deadline and 240 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: then the arbitration cases, which for the most part occur 241 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: in February. So AJ my response as fake schoogle representation 242 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: today is hell no on your twenty five mil. But yeah, 243 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: if you want to start talking twenty six, twenty seven, 244 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: twenty eight, we can start having a conversation, right because 245 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: think about it, he would significantly raise the tide for 246 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: arbitration at that point and you would take the risk 247 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: away of losing a case. Also, human beings are on 248 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: this case, and AJ we've joked about this in the past. 249 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: It's three guys on an arbitration panel, and if it 250 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: shifts one way or another too much, one side fires 251 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: the other. So this is going to be the most 252 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: controversial case ever if we get to that point. And 253 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: I just have a feeling that the arbitration panel will 254 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: be more worried about MLB than the PA. So if 255 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: I am a Google, you don't think so. 256 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: No, because it also depends on this. Okay, So if 257 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: you notice an arbitration by the way, they're chasing somebody 258 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: in Chicago, if you can hear the sirens. But the 259 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: arbitration cases are usually pretty even, like it's win loss 260 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: win laws. I know the owners have won more than 261 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: they've lost over the course of the history, but every 262 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: year it's kind of like almost fifty to fifty with 263 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: the owners winning like thirteen to eleven or twelve to 264 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: ten or nine to seven, whatever the numbers are. And 265 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: every once in a while the players will sneak in one. 266 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: But let's say it's eight to eight going down to 267 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: Schoogle and it could sway one way or the other. 268 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: And again, these are all made up numbers. But man, 269 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: because they are, I don't know who they're hired by, 270 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: if they're dually hired by the players Association and the owners. 271 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 2: But man, can you imagine being like, oh, I want 272 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: my job again, who do I vote for? 273 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. All of the other cases combined 274 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: basically equal to separation in this like most of the 275 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: other cases Todd Feather, There's there's one case that's a 276 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars separation. You hope that one gets settled, 277 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: and then all the way up to I think the 278 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: highest separation besides Schooble this year is like a million 279 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: and a half. So if you think about it, I mean, 280 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: this is the case. This is like the case of 281 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: the century for arbitration. 282 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 4: If we actually go this is what you know, people say, 283 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 4: you know, this guy won, this guy lost. They don't 284 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 4: remember everything that happens during the game, you know you don't, 285 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 4: but there's this one moment that you remember. Oh this 286 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 4: is what tilted everything. Well, this is this is the moment. 287 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 4: This is the moment right here in arbitration. If Schooble 288 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 4: happens to win, it'll be an absolute monster win for players. 289 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 4: If he happens to lose, okay, you know, just another 290 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 4: loss in the book. This MLB has all to lose here, 291 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 4: in my opinion, and nothing to gain if you want 292 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 4: the truth. 293 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why if you're schooling, I do think, 294 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: I do think he's gonna get. 295 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: But the thing they gain, Todd, is if they win, 296 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: they hold salaries down, right, that's kind of their job. 297 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: That's what they have to win, right, the win. But 298 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: the Tigers lose if they goes to case, no matter what, 299 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: whether they win or lose, because if he loses, schoogle 300 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: School's gonna be pissed. And if he wins, he's still 301 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: gonna be pissed, but he's gonna be happy that he 302 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: got the money, but that he had to go through it. 303 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: But the owners win, Todd. The way the owners win 304 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: is if they win, they hold salaries down because the 305 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: next guy, whoever that next person is, goes Google. Wont 306 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: two so Youngs. Paul Schemes would be the next guy, 307 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: right if he doesn't sign a long term deal at 308 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: some point by the Pirates. Sorry, wow, sorry, I made 309 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: myself laugh and choke right there. I send the long 310 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: term deal from the pirates Paul Schemes. But when he 311 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: gets arbitration in a couple of years, okay year a 312 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: cy young Scooble got thirty two my first year arbitration, 313 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: He's going to be looking at ten to twelve maybe, 314 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: and then by the time he gets to his thirty 315 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: year arbitration, he could be in the forties maybe. So 316 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: you know, this is what the owner is. This is 317 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: why arbitration is such a tricky process. Teams hate going through. 318 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: That's why they do the file and trial because most 319 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: players get scared at the end and say, oh, take 320 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: whatever you want, right, but you know what you deserve it. Derek, 321 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: You've been through it, You've been hurt. Now you're the 322 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: best picture of the planet. If you wont two so 323 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 2: Young's in a row. You've carried this team to the 324 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: postseason for two years in a row. Go get that glue, 325 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: and I. 326 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: Know you guys will love this. MLB has been trying 327 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: to get rid of the arbitration system and essentially, as 328 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: far as I know, replace it with just a pure 329 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: numbers based system where they calculate a number and then 330 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: say this is what you're worth. And that is not 331 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: advantatious to players, and that's why they want to keep 332 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: the case thing going. Right, You're going to sum everyone 333 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: up by a number. For those that think there's way 334 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: too many numbers involved already, that would take it to 335 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: another level. So I don't think that's going to happen, 336 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: but it makes things very interesting. I do also want 337 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: to show the Rangers tweet because you have the Tigers 338 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: in a battle with Tyrek Skoobel and it could get 339 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: ugly and fans are already pissed that they haven't signed 340 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: him long term. How about this tweet from Rangers Nation. 341 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: The Ranger streak of avoiding salary arbitration has reached twenty 342 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: six consecutive years. As the club finalized their agreements, they 343 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: entered the offseason with nine are of eligible players. In 344 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: addition to those four they reached a deal with, They've 345 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: listed some other dudes but anyway, the fact that they 346 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: have not gone to an arbitration hearing since two thousand, 347 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: Lee Stevens, that's crazy. A twenty six year streak. It's 348 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: the longest in MLB history, surpassing Detroit's active streak by 349 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: one year. And Detroit's active streak is on the line 350 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: with mister Scoogle, whoa, it's everyone's favorite song? Where will 351 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: bo go? And we do have a new contender in 352 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: the mix? I would call them a new contender, guys. 353 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't really think the Phillies were going 354 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: to be serious, and from the article that Ken and 355 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: Matt Gelb put together in The Athletic, I think it 356 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: should be taken somewhat seriously. The Phillies have been known 357 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: to spend a pretty penny on players like this. So 358 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: there is a little back and forth video exchange that 359 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: is going to occur with these two. They'll have a 360 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: little video conference call to talk about life and if 361 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: they feel like there's a fit. But here's where it 362 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: gets even more interesting to me, Todd Father, the Phillies 363 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't just do this and then nothing else. They would 364 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: have to trade someone like aj just mentioned. So that's 365 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: Stott or Boem, and it's probably Bohm who's entering his 366 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: free agent year. And then I guess you put bo 367 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: at third. Guess what. Bobashet has never played third. He's 368 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: played a little second, he looked really good there, but 369 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: he's never played third. And then there's the JT. Real 370 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: Muto factor where we're not sure if they're going to 371 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: bring him back if they end up spending this money 372 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: on Bobashett. But one other thing I'll say is that 373 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: the Phillies are just about at that luxury tax number. 374 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: They're already at a certain level of luxury text, but 375 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: they're almost at the number where it's one hundred and 376 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 1: ten percent of every dollar over. So that means if 377 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: Bobaschet is getting paid thirty million dollars next year, it 378 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: would really be like seventy million dollars in terms of 379 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: what it costs them. 380 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think there's a lot of unknowns here. 381 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: What do the Phillies want to do? Is there somebody 382 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 4: that wants Alec Baum? Is there an opportunity where they 383 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 4: really think he fits well at third base? And I 384 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 4: guess there's something to it, because they did have a meeting. 385 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 4: I think Bob would fit very well with this Philly team. 386 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 4: I think they would help out substantially. But then there's 387 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 4: a lot of different decisions that the Phillies are going 388 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 4: to have to make too as well. His name has 389 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 4: been out there for a while. There's been a couple guys, 390 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 4: but bobashett I feel like he's one of the most 391 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 4: interesting guys out there. Lo and behold because what he 392 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 4: did in the playoffs injured, I thought it was spectacular. 393 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 4: He hit that big home run even though they didn't 394 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 4: win it. He's a guy, he's a team guy, played 395 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 4: second base to help his team win. 396 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: Who wouldn't want him? I mean, who wouldn't want a 397 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: guy like that? 398 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 4: So he's gonna be fully healthy, uh, coming into the season, 399 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 4: and he's gonna go out there and dominate. Which whatever 400 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 4: team is going to pick him up. But yeah, seeing 401 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 4: the Phillies kind of get after it a little bit here, 402 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 4: it's inspiring. I know Kraty's gonna be happy about that 403 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: to hear, but we'll see what happens with them. I 404 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 4: know there's other teams lingering, but we're getting closer to 405 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 4: spring training, guy, so you know, either should or get 406 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 4: off the pot here. 407 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 3: It's coming up soon, agreed. 408 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 2: Here's my question for you guys. We don't know what 409 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: Bo's asking for. Okay, we don't know where we'll bogo. 410 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 2: We know that the song says it, but we also 411 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: don't know what he's asking for. My question on this 412 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: whole thing is, it's the same kind of with Bellinger. 413 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: Two guys sometimes in their agents overshoot their worth. Okay, 414 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: and I'm not saying Bo's not worth a ton of money, 415 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: but the way the Phillies can get in on this is, 416 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: let's say both thought he was gonna get ten years 417 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 2: three fifteen, but now all of a sudden that offer's 418 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 2: not out there, and now it's seven years two hundred, right, 419 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: so it cuts it down a little bit. I don't know, 420 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: because I've fought over this and I've seen some interesting 421 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 2: thoughts on this online and stuff. And you know Bo's 422 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: ops is eight oh six, which you know doesn't put 423 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: him in that upper echelon of superstars, right, So maybe 424 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: that's what's happened. I do hope not, because Bo's a 425 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: great player, like Todd said, and I think he can 426 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: bring a lot to a team offensively, defensively, just pure 427 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 2: being around the clubhouse. So I don't know if that's 428 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 2: the case, but it's just an interesting There's so many 429 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: interesting case studies. We Alex Fragmant and his age get 430 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: a long term deal, what happens with Kyle Tucker because 431 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: of all the questions with him? Right, it's an interesting 432 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: case of what a club's value with these major free 433 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: agents that are left, and what are the teams out 434 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: there that are willing to go to their price? And 435 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 2: as soon as one of them gets so you would 436 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: think these guys would sign, and as soon as one signs, 437 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 2: I think you'll see an avalanche. 438 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 3: For me aj. 439 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: I love this because I do feel as if the 440 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: Phillies have to do something different, something different, right, I 441 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: mean if that means the pain of losing some guys 442 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: that have been part of the core for a while, 443 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: like Bohm and Real. Muto is a big deal there. 444 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: The pitchers love working with him. I know that would 445 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: be complicated and difficult, but I just don't want to 446 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: keep running out the same exact lineup. If I'm Philadelphia, 447 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: that's me and I think Boba Schett would be a 448 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: huge factor for them, not just during a season where 449 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: he's almost always a hits leader, but I think he's 450 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: got the playoff or as crafts they do, though he 451 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: always looks for But. 452 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 2: What you said, Scott is true, and people, not only 453 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,239 Speaker 2: you and Kratz especially have been calling for this, but 454 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 2: Philly fans have been calling for mix it up. That's 455 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: why Alec Bohm has been such a popular trade target, 456 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: right or trade rumor, I guess would be the right word. Right. 457 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: That's why Brandon marsh and whoever they try to do 458 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: that when they brought in Baitor this year to mix 459 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 2: up some things that the Philly fans, especially when Kratz 460 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: is back on Nick you ask him, but they've been 461 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: kind of clamoring for a mix up because they're Nola's 462 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: older wheelers older, right, So they went out and got 463 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: Lazardo Sworez Rangers sare is probably going to be gone, 464 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: but you have Sanchez, so they kind of want to 465 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: changing in the guard. But Turner Harper now Schwarber's back, 466 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: real Mudo might not come back, right, So there's been 467 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: some different changes, but Philly fans are like, we want 468 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: to blow this up. This team is still really good. 469 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 2: Let's not forget this team is still really good. It's 470 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 2: not like they finished in fifth place last year. It's 471 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: not like they were the Rockies last year they won 472 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: the division. They lost to a Dodgers team that went 473 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: on and won the World Series for the second year 474 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 2: a row. 475 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel as if the results aren't there 476 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: when you need them at the at the playoffs, in 477 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: the playoffs. So I'm like baseball. 478 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 2: Hard, Scott, you never played. Tell them baseball is hard. 479 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: It's hard to win. 480 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: It's hard. 481 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: It's really hard to win. 482 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: Why are you going to put the same roster out 483 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: there every time. 484 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 2: They did it? They've changed it up. They brought it Duran, 485 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: they brought in Lizardo, they brought in Harrison Vader. It's 486 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 2: a different team. It's not the exact same team as 487 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: it was two three years ago. They brought in little 488 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: pieces to try. But there's guys you can't get rid of. 489 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: They were't going to get rid of real mood Are 490 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 2: They were going to get rid of Shwerber. They weren't 491 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: going to get rid of Harper. They weren't going to 492 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: get rid of Trey Turner. They have Nola, they have Wheeler, 493 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 2: they have these guys. Sanchez who had a great year 494 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: for him. They brought in some different pieces to try 495 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: different things. You can't just blow it all up because 496 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: Scott want Scott bron wants to. It's really hard to 497 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 2: win a World Series. 498 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 4: They should be World Series champs with those names that 499 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 4: you're saying, that's how good of a team they are. 500 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: So exactly that's my point. If we have all these 501 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: big ass names, then why aren't we getting the results 502 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: that we want. 503 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: It's confusing, very. 504 00:23:47,800 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: Look how using it is for a one of those 505 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: like I don't know. 506 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 2: It was fun because I don't know what the fuck 507 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: Scott's talking about. 508 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: Your face was worth a thousand words. It's Friday, baby. 509 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: Katel Marte is off the market. We just heard it 510 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: from Ken Rosenthal. How does it affect the rest of 511 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: the market. Well, it takes a superstar bat off of 512 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: the market. I mean that's who he is. Aj We've 513 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: talked about him for a while. Tell Marte is a 514 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: superstar bat and he was going to cost about twenty 515 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: million year over the next five years. Not only is 516 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: he off the market now, he is probably off the 517 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: market forever. Most guys do not want to be traded 518 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: away from Arizona, especially if Arizona is competitive. Which it 519 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: sounds like they will be so it sounds like the 520 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: marriage will continue for another five years. 521 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 2: When does he hit ten five? 522 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: He hits ten five in like April, like it's coming up. 523 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: That's why they were like, let's explore this now, see 524 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: if we can get a boat load. 525 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: And you know there's times and Todd you know this too, 526 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: like even though you have ten five and a no 527 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: trade team, no one are not used no one As 528 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: an example, we just had the Cardinals on right where 529 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: teams go, you know what, we really want to trade you. 530 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 2: Sonny Gray had a no trade and he accepted a 531 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: trade to Boston. Were there like Wilson Contrells's another one. 532 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 2: They're like, hey, you know we're not going to be 533 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: any good. Can we trade you? And depending on where 534 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 2: that trade is, guys will say yes. Or you can 535 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: always have the Phil Nevin story where Phil, we want 536 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: to trade you. No, I'm good, Okay, you're catching tomorrow, Okay, 537 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: I'll accept the trade. Thank you. 538 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that. 539 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, crazy, They wanted to trade Phil. Phill was 540 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: a catcher when he came up to Padrey said we 541 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 2: want to trade you. We had ten to five and 542 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 2: they go, Okay, guess what, Phil, You're now a catcher. 543 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: They caught him in a game and then he was 544 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: traded like a day later. He's like, yeah, I'm good guys. 545 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 4: Oh my god, where it'sking injury too? Listen, did I 546 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 4: from what the Diamondbacks have done. I mean they've been 547 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 4: in talks with everybody bragman, of course. But I like 548 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: cattle Martell, I I really do. I think think he's 549 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 4: a superb hitter. I think he fits well in Arizona, nice, quiet, 550 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 4: hot Arizona. You know, everybody talks about how good he is. 551 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 4: He doesn't bring any baggage. He plays the game the 552 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 4: right way. I honestly think this was the right move. 553 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 4: And now they got to get some pitch and fill. 554 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 4: I don't know what the next thing is then for doing. 555 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 4: Are they gonna trade find a free agent? There's a 556 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 4: bunch of them out there. So, like I said, before, 557 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 4: the clock is ticking. They got this team has to 558 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 4: get going to there's a bunch of teams. But for 559 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 4: the Diningback to say they're not trade and then Marte 560 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 4: can do whatever the heck he pleases now and I'll 561 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: go out and dominate. 562 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: Man. 563 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: If they had Alex Bragman, that would be sick. It's 564 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: not out of the realm. I know that it's been 565 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: talked about for a while now, and I don't know 566 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: a Kratz is on the camp like it's not a thing. 567 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: It's just making sure that there's another suitor involved, that is, 568 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, going to maybe compete with the Red Sox, 569 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: even if they're really not for the money offer. Are 570 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: you more in that camp or do you think there's 571 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: any seriousness to I will say and own he does this. 572 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: He's one of those wake up and decide something different. 573 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: And there are multiple owners who operate like this. Artie 574 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: Morino is one of those as well, where sometimes they 575 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: wake up and they just say, screw it. I'm signing 576 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: Anthony Rendon and Ken Kendrick goes screw it. I'm signing 577 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns. Alex Bragman would change the game in Arizona. 578 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 2: I agree. I just I don't see. I just don't 579 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 2: see it happen. I just I don't. I don't. I 580 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: wish they would, because listen, it's always good. It's good 581 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: for the game and good for the fans. When not 582 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 2: the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Cubs, whoever you want 583 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: to throw into that list of teams isn't doing all 584 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: the signings of guys, right when you get the Arizona signing, 585 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: when you get Pittsburgh signing a couple guys this year, 586 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: when you get other teams that go out and sign guys, 587 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: I just it's gonna be hard for me to see 588 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 2: Bragman not go back to Boston. I'm sorry, It's gonna 589 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: be really really hard for me not to see him 590 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: back in Boston. 591 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: And Boston has options if it doesn't work out, that 592 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: could end up being the destination for Boba Schet right, 593 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: That's why you have a little bit of a logjam. 594 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: I guess I do think that I don't like to 595 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: do that. Oh, this person is holding up the market situation. 596 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: But I do think that there is a little wait 597 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: and see with the Blue Jays on Kyle Tucker. That's 598 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: supposed to be the high end contract and then maybe 599 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: things fill out a little bit more. But what do 600 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: I know, show me the money money. That's not Cody 601 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: Bellinger on the line with the Yankees. That is from 602 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: an old movie, Jerry maguire, Todd Father. You know, I 603 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: like to reference that every time we can. Thirty million 604 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: dollars is the report that we saw from Brendan Coody, 605 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: who covers the team really well for the Athletic and 606 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: he put out there Yankees offer more than thirty million 607 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: per year, but gaps remain in conversationations. Cody's camp wants 608 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: seven years. The number that the Yankees are putting out 609 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: there would be a top five number for an outfielder 610 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: in terms of average annual value. We do not know 611 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: how many years. That is not a known figure at 612 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: the moment, but Brendan says thirty that would place after 613 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: Soto's fifty one, Judges forty trouts thirty five and a half. 614 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: Bets is thirty, so they'd be right there, neck and 615 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: neck with Mookie Betts. After that is Christian Yelich, by 616 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: the way, six on the list in terms of outfield money. 617 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: The one other thing Todd father that was in this 618 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: article was comps Pete Alonso gets five years one to 619 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: fifty five. That's thirty one a year through his age 620 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: thirty five season. Cody is thirty years old, so I 621 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: guess he's what basically the same age as Pete. Are 622 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: very close. Schwarber which I think is kind of a 623 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: different person. In case got five to one to fifty 624 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: to thirty a year through his age thirty seven season. 625 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: He has been aging well already, right, I mean his 626 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: best year might have been this past season at whatever, 627 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: thirty two years old. 628 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 3: So at all of the. 629 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: Up where are we at? And fans look at this 630 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: and want to kind of blame one side, like is 631 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: Cody being too greedy if it's say a five year 632 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: deal and he wonts seven if it's five years thirty 633 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: a year at one fifty ish? Is he being too greedy? 634 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: Or the Yanks or should they just kumbayan say six 635 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: point eighty let's do this tomorrow. 636 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 4: I'm lick in between on this because I love that 637 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 4: they're doing comps and they get to see, like who 638 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 4: made this and who made that. I'm looking at the 639 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 4: numbers here as well. Mookie BET's thirty point four? Yeah, 640 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 4: is he right around there? I think maybe below. I 641 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 4: I like the thirty million dollars. I think he's worth 642 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 4: every penny of it. I do it just a matter again, 643 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 4: like you talk about years. 644 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just you never know what's going on in 645 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 3: their minds. Is this is this a ploy. 646 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 4: Is this something to post up there just to get 647 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 4: people's minds going. And I think, honestly that's part of it, 648 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 4: just to get the fans excited or get them frustrated. 649 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 4: I want the players to make as much money as possible. 650 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 4: I'm not an agent, but at the same time, you know, 651 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 4: you have to look at other people and see where 652 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 4: you might you know, fit, and you go buy numbers. 653 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 3: And that's what baseball is. It's a numbers game. So 654 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: this is a start. 655 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 4: Scott I talked all the time about him, like, dude, 656 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 4: we got to get something going here. 657 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: So we're seeing a figure here at least from somebody. 658 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: And to me, aj the Yankees are holding firm like 659 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: we're not going seven years. Maybe it's five, maybe it's six. 660 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: They might already be at six, they might be at 661 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: six point eighty, and they're like, dude, we're not giving 662 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: you seven. We don't feel like anyone else in the 663 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: marketplace has given you seven. And this is where we'd 664 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: like to stop. Cody's a very good player. He was 665 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: a five win player this past season, fourteenth in MVP. 666 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: He does it all in terms of the tools and 667 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: in terms of the athleticism and the positions that he 668 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: can play. But it's not been a perfect ride for him. 669 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 3: AJ. 670 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: He's had some lows and lows. He's been what non 671 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: tendered by the Dodgers, traded multiple times or right, no, 672 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: traded once. I guess he signed with the Cubs on 673 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: that deal. Then he didn't use the opt out. He 674 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: stayed for one more season, then traded to the Yankees. 675 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: They had a great year this past season. Really good player. 676 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: It's just that it is a tough sell sometimes to say, Okay, 677 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: this guy's going to go over the two hundred mill 678 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: mark when a few years ago the Dodgers wouldn't pay 679 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: him like seventeen and a half million bucks for one year. 680 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that. That's what's That's what's interesting about 681 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 2: Cody Bellinger is if you go back two years, he 682 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: was a two two war player, Right, he has a 683 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: lower career ops plus than Bo Baschett. Okay, by one 684 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: twenty one for Bashett. And that's the numbers they all 685 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 2: look at. So I just don't I don't know like why. 686 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 2: This is why I asked man, like are they bidding 687 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 2: against themselves? The Yankees? Because who else is out there? 688 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 2: The Mats? 689 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 3: I guess. 690 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 2: But if the Yankees are offered him thirty years and 691 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: they're giving him six point eighty, how do you turn 692 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: that down? And listen, I want players to get every 693 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 2: dollar they can get, but man, that is a lot 694 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: to turn down. If I'm you know, you know, listen, 695 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 2: twenty three he was really good, but if you go 696 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, twenty two, he was not worth thirty 697 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: million dollars a year. So the Yankees and other teams 698 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 2: are going which Cody Bellinger we going to get as 699 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 2: he gets older and he gets older and he's gonna 700 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 2: be at thirty this year, which guy are we going 701 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: to get? And I don't know the answer to that. 702 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: I wish I did know the answer. If you could 703 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 2: tell me he was gonna do what he did this 704 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 2: past year and hit twenty nine homers and drive in 705 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 2: almost one hundred and and have a you know, eight 706 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 2: hundred plus ops and all that, then yeah, is he 707 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 2: worth it? Yeah? But I just don't. I think teams 708 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: look at it and say which one are we going 709 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: to get? They're gonna say, well, he hurt his shoulder. 710 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 2: Remember he heard his shoulder in the celebration, and that's 711 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: why he was down at what Boris will say. But 712 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 2: I just I think teams are looking at saying we 713 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: don't know which Cody Bellinger we're gonna get for multiple years. 714 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, if there's a blame meter. If it's four years, 715 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 1: I'm blaming the Yankees. If it's five years, I'm close. 716 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: Maybe it's tight, right, I can I can be flipped 717 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty there. If it's six years, I'm blaming 718 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: Cody's camp for sure, right, But I just don't think 719 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: that there's any other team out there that's going to 720 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: go seven years thirty years. There another team out there 721 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: that might stretch it to seven years and a lower 722 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: average annual value perhaps, but it's hard to know without 723 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: the years in place. I doubt that it's below five years, 724 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: don't you guys doubt that. I don't think they're going, hey, 725 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: four years at thirty for someone his age and based 726 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: off the other comps. But I also don't think he 727 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,479 Speaker 1: has the track record hitting wise that Schober or Pete 728 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: Alonzo do. He's more of an all around player. I 729 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: get that, but I don't know. I mean, if I 730 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: could be convinced on a five at thirty for him 731 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: and be like Wow, that's still a really good deal 732 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: for Cody. 733 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 3: I agree. I agree undred percent. 734 00:34:45,160 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 4: I do, and I think that'll be fine. 735 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: Ft helping p people get jobs. No, I'm kidding, but 736 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: former Minnesota Twins general manager Thad Levigne he's going to 737 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: be a special advisor to baseball operations for the Milwaukee Brewers, 738 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: so he gets to stay out there in the Midwest. 739 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: We had some fun conversations with that. I don't know 740 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: if he's still going to be doing what he's doing maybe. 741 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: I mean, he's got his little he's got his podcast 742 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: and some other appearances and things that he's been doing. 743 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: But we'll see. We love to have him him on, 744 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: so let's we'll try and get him back actually, so 745 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: we can talk about that. And he's joining a very 746 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: successful franchise. So Twins had a good little run, then 747 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,959 Speaker 1: they didn't and they became a disaster. That out good 748 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: timing and latching on with an organization that's in a 749 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: good spot right now. Last thing I wanted to do 750 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: Todd Father, just because I promised it at the top, 751 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: just for the last few minutes, is can you lay 752 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: out a little bit more details because you did some 753 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 1: homework on your arbitration case. I thought the comp part 754 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: was cool. I just wanted you to share that part. 755 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. 756 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 4: No, When I had my arbitration after my third year, 757 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 4: you know, when you come pair of people, you got 758 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 4: to go back to what they had, and and for 759 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 4: me it was my agency and myself. We went we 760 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 4: we compared ourselves to Eric Cosmer, and he was a 761 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 4: super two, which meant, you know, he had four years 762 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 4: of arbitration. 763 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 3: He had. What he had after his fifth year was five. 764 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 4: Years, one hundred and seventy one days. I had five 765 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 4: years forty nine days, so I wasn't eligible for that. 766 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 4: And if we go back, you know, by the numbers here, 767 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 4: if I can just pull them up here, excuse me it. 768 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 4: You know, his salary went his straight four years was 769 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 4: three point six five seven eight three twelve two five. 770 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 4: So I went off his fourth year and it's very unheard. 771 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 3: Of to do that. 772 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 4: Then I give credit to my agency. So my third 773 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 4: year I made pretty much the same as him. I 774 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 4: made twelve million, and we went back and forth on 775 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 4: what we wanted to do. My power numbers were better 776 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 4: than Hosmer's, but he had other things, you know, an 777 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 4: all star, I forget off the top of my head. 778 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 4: But then their team went by Chase Headley. So the 779 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 4: White Sox, who I was on, they said, well, we're 780 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 4: comparing you to Chase Headley, and Headley was a guy, 781 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 4: salary guy, where we were pretty much the same. I 782 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 4: had a lot more home runs, a lot more power 783 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 4: than him, but you know, he had more of the accolades. 784 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 4: So it was a back and forth battle. And you know, basically, 785 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 4: you know what happened there. You know, the two sides, 786 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 4: you know, came to an agreement. They started at like 787 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 4: eight million, we started at sixteen, and we basically met 788 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 4: in the middle. 789 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 3: And that's kind of basically what happens. 790 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 4: You know, we had the same position, same career, war 791 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 4: it just had a little more hardware than I did. 792 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 4: But it goes about numbers all the time. So as 793 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 4: we talk about. 794 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: Well, this was you promoting yourself more as a third 795 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: baseman though, right, I mean third base, but third base 796 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: for Hosmer, I mean third baseman get more value than 797 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: a first baseman. So that gave you a little bit. 798 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: You know, if Hosmer had you on say I don't know, 799 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: batting average and RBIs or whatever, and you have them 800 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: on power or you have them on position right. So 801 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at numbers you were coming off the 802 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: last three seasons leading up to that, twenty on homers, 803 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: thirty five homers, forty homers. I'm sure they tried to say, 804 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: or they would have said an arbitration. Oh he's in Cincinnati, 805 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't count. 806 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 3: It's home runs in Cincinnati. 807 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: But anyway, it's just cool because AJ for me, when 808 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: Todd told me that, I'm like, damn, they went from 809 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: they were at eight and todd Father's like, all right, 810 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: screw you. It's kind of like a MIDI school thing. 811 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: We're going to sixteen, right, that's the number that's above. 812 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: But all they have to do is prove that he's 813 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: twelve point one and he gets sixteen. And that's why 814 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: the Socks came back and said, uncle, twelve done. 815 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happens a lot of times. That's why 816 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 2: you shouldn't be trial and file right, file trail. 817 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. 818 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 1: I got to look that up maybe next week. Which 819 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 1: teams are still doing that officially? Officially, I feel like 820 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: there's been some that have cracked, but both sides don't 821 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: want to get to that point. So anyway, I think 822 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: we have one tweet on the way out that has 823 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: to do with a mascot and also we've got nice bears. 824 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 3: What is that? Is that a blank bears? 825 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 2: It's a blanket I bought in Mexico years ago. It's 826 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 2: like a poncho blanket kind of thing. A little I 827 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna keep me warm at the game tomorrow. 828 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 2: But fuck, those packers don't even greater, you know what 829 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 830 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys see this from from barstool Detroit. Got Yeah, 831 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: they were saying, terminated, just talking about the TV deals 832 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: and then pause. The mascot was like, oh I thought 833 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: I got fired for a second. You're good. 834 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 3: We love you. 835 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,280 Speaker 1: You're just gonna be viewed on a different TV screen 836 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: next year. It's okay, and tell your team to wake 837 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: up up. 838 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 3: True everyone. 839 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: Next week, Aja, fun at the game. Tod by you 840 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: next week, Cincinnati trip in a week two, let's go