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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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Speaker 1: This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts, Barry Church,

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Speaker 1: Anthony dor Set, De Montrey Moore, and new he Scrugs.

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Speaker 3: Here we are on a Tuesday players day off here

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Speaker 3: at the Star in Frisco. This is the players not

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Speaker 3: bought to by Aristocrat Gaming. This is Anthony dor Set,

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Speaker 3: former inn FL player and the son of Hall of

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Speaker 3: Famer Tony door Set and Heisman Trophy from the great

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Speaker 3: Man De Montree Moore, Texas A and m Abbey who

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Speaker 3: also played the National Football League for the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 3: and several other teams.

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Speaker 4: I'm new he Scruggs. We have lots to get to today.

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Speaker 3: If I'm glad we didn't make any we didn't pick

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Speaker 3: money in our games yesterday because I shut up with

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Speaker 3: the lost we did.

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Speaker 5: We did.

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Speaker 2: We picked them last week, picked them last week, picked them.

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Speaker 2: I want to.

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Speaker 6: Say if I'm not, I want to say I lost.

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Speaker 4: Probably I took. I took Buffalo and Washington.

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Speaker 2: I did too.

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Speaker 6: Everybody did, except for Church, who picked Atlanta for some reason.

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Speaker 2: That's why I said. He Church called it.

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Speaker 6: He said, coming off a bi week, he said, I

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Speaker 6: liked them, and that was the one where it was.

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Speaker 2: Like he was a solo rider. So I text c

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Speaker 2: B last night.

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Speaker 6: I said, hey, man, what's the score? He was like,

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Speaker 6: right now, you might be in the league. And so

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Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, well, if I win, I'm still

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Speaker 6: in the league. If I lose, we all and we're

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Speaker 6: gonna lose right there. So I think I was only

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Speaker 6: about one. C B Am I correct on them.

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Speaker 3: You and Church went three and five last week, hoddly enough,

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Speaker 3: Jesse Holly picked and he picked Chicago over Washington, and

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Speaker 3: he got that one.

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Speaker 7: So he went five.

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Speaker 4: He went four and three last week.

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Speaker 7: He had the best record.

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Speaker 2: Last week.

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Speaker 7: You went, knew you took the al last week two

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Speaker 7: and six.

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Speaker 8: Last week was bad and you two Anthony two and six.

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Speaker 2: This is my week, man, I was bad.

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Speaker 4: But but so Demante was three and five, three and five.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm still because the biggest thing with him

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Speaker 6: is he got the giants.

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Speaker 9: He the only one that picked the giants.

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Speaker 6: He picked the giants New England and Seattle, and those

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Speaker 6: were his two picks.

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Speaker 4: Everybody playful, that's right, all right, all.

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Speaker 6: Right, but it was a bad week for all of

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Speaker 6: us though, Like football was going crazy.

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Speaker 3: And I'll say this, you know, I imagine people who

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Speaker 3: were out there putting a little extras on the game

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Speaker 3: were all wrong too, because you're not thinking the Bills

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Speaker 3: are going to lose to the Falcons, and hey, look,

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Speaker 3: this is.

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Speaker 4: The league right now, this is the league.

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Speaker 3: That's why if you're a Cowboy fan, you should be

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Speaker 3: very frustrated about what happened in Charlotte, North Carolina. That

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Speaker 3: was a game that you could have should have won

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Speaker 3: and put that in the bank, and you did not.

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Speaker 3: And then you go, see the way the rest of

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Speaker 3: the week win. Here Chicago goes and beats Washington. On

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Speaker 3: Monday night, Atlanta handles the Buffalo Bills, and here the

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Speaker 3: Cowboys allowing Rico Daddle to say I'm him bucket up

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Speaker 3: and they.

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Speaker 4: Took that whoop into the backside some.

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Speaker 6: But this problem this weekend is what makes it. You said,

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Speaker 6: you don't bet on it because what's going on, But

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Speaker 6: this is what also makes people optimistic about it because

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Speaker 6: you're like, hey, with all this being said, the Cowboys

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Speaker 6: still got the number one offense. The Eagles lost, Washington lost.

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Speaker 6: It's like we're still, as Jason Garrett wuld say, in

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Speaker 6: the Red Meat. So that's why it's like you can

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Speaker 6: sit there and say, we're still.

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Speaker 3: In the hut, right, so you look at it glass

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Speaker 3: half full, okay, and I'm looking at half end because

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Speaker 3: if you can't beat the Carolina Pantons, we're.

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Speaker 2: Gonna beat if you can.

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Speaker 4: Rico running up in you what's going You know, Rico?

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Speaker 7: It defense wins championships and where it's playoffs.

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Speaker 2: But you're talking about the same Bears that came out there.

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Speaker 4: Tore the Cowboys up, to them up, they told them up.

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Speaker 6: But then you get in the shootout with Washington and

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Speaker 6: it's like, ah, man, you know what, Hey, we ain't

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Speaker 6: the only ones that lost to the Bear, so maybe

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Speaker 6: the Bears are doing good.

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Speaker 2: Like that's what I'm just saying.

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Speaker 6: It's just you know how you always sit there and say,

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Speaker 6: why the Cowboys fans always saying super Bowl on now?

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Speaker 6: Or we're still got this so we still have hope.

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Speaker 6: Like it's moments like this where you can still see it.

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Speaker 8: I don't even think I got nothing to do with that, Okay,

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Speaker 8: I just got I just feel like the city is

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Speaker 8: just caught up on some mediocre football in the year.

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Speaker 8: Regardless of what the media train does and what Jerry does.

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Speaker 8: He hypes everybody up and he's Uh, basically, these people

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Speaker 2: Who's leading the division right now?

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing man in Philadelphia right now, so Philly

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Speaker 3: is foreign to here is that. I'm with you, door set.

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Speaker 3: People have watched thirty years of mediocre football and now

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Speaker 3: they believe it's okay. And when we're watching players retire,

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Speaker 3: the questions or even thought to people saying about, well,

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Speaker 3: should Dez Brian getting the Ring of Honor?

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Speaker 2: No Tank?

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Speaker 3: Somebody asked me, with Tank Lawrence clip to Tank being

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Speaker 3: a ring, I said, no, there has been no winning done,

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Speaker 3: no one's nobody has hung a band around here. Nobody

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Speaker 3: can even get to the NFC's championship I mean the

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Speaker 3: NFC Championship game around here. But fans have been so

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Speaker 3: conditioned now to accept guys who've been okay, who've done

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Speaker 3: nothing to add to the legacy of the Dallas Caberys.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're young, I'm not wrong. I'm not now.

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Speaker 6: I agree with you wholehearted on that Tank no, there's

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Speaker 6: maybe it is because I'm younger and stuff like that.

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Speaker 6: For this generation. Yeah, it is mediocre, but he did

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Speaker 6: the numbers. He changed the game in his own like retrospect,

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Speaker 6: like the ex is still like iconic. But when you

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Speaker 6: think about the guys that you have said, the big

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Speaker 6: name giants said, who is it, mister din that's not

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Speaker 8: It's like, okay, Nicky Shuffer was icon Okay, so let's

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Speaker 8: let's look at it. That's who like what receivers or

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Speaker 8: or in or in the or on think Bob Hays

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Speaker 8: was running back in the receiver right was he.

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Speaker 4: Mainly being a receiver for Bob Hays? So Bob Hays

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Speaker 7: That's it, Michael, Michael, those are only three Okay.

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Speaker 4: Those those are those are your those are your your receivers.

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Speaker 7: Right now, people game Drew played that played the.

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Speaker 8: Game at one of the most vicious times in the game. Okay,

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Speaker 8: like they didn't even have no basically interference bumper run.

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Speaker 8: They was kind he was lining up at receiver in

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Speaker 2: Thousand yards maybe career wise less than ten.

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Speaker 8: Let's less. It may be less than eight. I don't

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Speaker 8: know how much Michael has. Okay, now, if we're looking

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Speaker 7: Let's see what the numbers that Dads has.

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Speaker 8: I understand he ain't win no championships, he ain't put

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Speaker 8: him no banners, but was he? I don't know how

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Speaker 8: many years are pro Dads is one of the most

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Speaker 2: And that's only for a number of years. And that's

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Speaker 8: Don't have a banner, do you not deserve to go

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Speaker 8: into Like say, if a dude has a a less

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Speaker 8: his career with no banners, are you saying like he

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Speaker 8: the Hall of Fame as well?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So basically right now, the Ring of Honor is

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Speaker 3: going to people who have won championships here or got

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Speaker 4: He's one of the other that's right.

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Speaker 2: A compet is Travis Ridgerck in the here's your.

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Speaker 3: may have been the last guy that got in there

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Speaker 3: I want to say nineteen seventy six. So basically now

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Speaker 3: for fifty years almost this is the standard. Des Bryant

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Speaker 3: doesn't meet the standard. I mean, the Marcus Ware doesn't

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Speaker 3: Should Tony Romo get in the Marcus where don't meet

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Speaker 3: Ware is already in.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Tank should d where he's in the Hall.

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Speaker 4: Of Fame about me?

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Speaker 2: I mean Tank talking about you know, I Tank don't

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Speaker 6: I mean if obviously everybody's going to talk about the

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Speaker 6: catch that was supposed to be the year that the

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Speaker 6: Cowboys was supposed to win the Super Bowl. But like

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to look I really want to find his numbers.

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Speaker 6: Call it bad as the tuck rule is like.

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Speaker 2: This, man, but it didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's at the end of the day we

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Speaker 3: could talk about Des caught it. Des didn't catch it. Uh,

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Speaker 3: the league said no, and it is what it is.

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Speaker 3: And as bad as the tuck rule was for for

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Speaker 3: your Raiders, you know what, it didn't go your way.

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Speaker 3: New England goes on to win a Super Bowl and

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Speaker 3: the legend of Tom Brady's and Adam and and Tierry

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Speaker 4: You know, this is what happens.

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Speaker 3: But Des Bryant while he leads to the Cowboys and

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Speaker 4: The game has changed.

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Speaker 3: The game has totally changed from what you can do

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Speaker 3: number one, as you talked about here receivers. Man, you

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Speaker 3: used to have DB's that could hit you all the

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Speaker 3: way down toil. You can't do it now. Now you

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Speaker 3: can barely brush your brother. And they're they've made the

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Speaker 7: How many yards did does Brian have career?

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Speaker 2: That's all trying. I can now fund it on here

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 3: So my thing on that is, once again, you got

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Speaker 3: no gold jacket. You did not win a championship with

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Speaker 3: the Cowboys. What are we talking about?

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Speaker 2: This?

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Speaker 4: This is what?

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Speaker 2: This is the list.

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Speaker 4: Now you go back to heart. Harvey Martin is a

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl MVP.

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Speaker 2: He's not even in here.

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Speaker 4: Defensive NFL Defensive Player of the Year, not in here.

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Speaker 2: You might be right.

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Speaker 6: I was just gonna interrupt you to say, give you

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Speaker 3: And let's and at this point, okay, if CD Lamb

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Speaker 6: Think that back that was up to twenty twenty. So

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Speaker 4: Then I man ain't got no time for you, Zach Martin.

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Speaker 3: So, Zach Martin, Zach No, No, those they've been doing

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Speaker 2: A case for someone how many super Bowls did Drew

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Speaker 8: Was Da Marino? First ballot? Yeah, he was first ballot. Okay,

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Speaker 6: If you want me to make a case for somebody

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Speaker 8: That may have the numbers but doesn't have the gold

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Speaker 6: I mean, we all know that Zach Martin is going

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Speaker 2: Name Travis Frederick. No, he didn't play on that man.

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Speaker 6: He was a catalyst to this line, Like he trained

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Speaker 6: Zach Martin, but he's going to be a first ballot

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Speaker 3: In five years. In five years, Zach Martin will be

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Speaker 4: Go in the Hall of Fame, so they'll be in

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Speaker 2: How many rings does Drew Piston have one? Okay? So

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Speaker 6: He has more career yardage seven eight and twenty two.

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Speaker 2: But Daz has seventy five touchdowns in his career.

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Speaker 6: Drew Pearson only has h I got a name for it.

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Speaker 2: Forty eight.

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Speaker 7: Did Tonyill win anything while he was here?

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Speaker 4: And Tony Hill shouldn't be in there?

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Speaker 7: Did Tony Will win anything while he was here?

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Speaker 4: To my knowledge, No, I don't think Tony was on

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Speaker 8: Tony he got more yards and Drew Pearson he got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but then Tony and Tony Hill doesn't. Tony Hill

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Speaker 3: shouldn't be in it. Tony Hill's name is and I

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Speaker 2: Tony Everson Walls in it.

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Speaker 3: Everson Walls shockingly and shamefully is not Everson Walls.

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Speaker 2: You don't deserve it.

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Speaker 7: Yes, okay, you told me to give you one.

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Speaker 2: I gave you one. Yeah, right, two times today.

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Speaker 8: But ever and ever, I think got fifty something career interceptions,

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Speaker 7: Everybody else that got fifty some interceptions, they.

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Speaker 3: All Everson Walls was up tragically, Tragically, Everson Walls was

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Speaker 4: Everson is a Hall of Fame player.

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Speaker 3: Should be It should be in the Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 8: Put They put Eric Allen in, one of my former teammates,

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Speaker 3: This is a Hall of Fame player who did win

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Speaker 8: See, I don't I don't know if I would have

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Speaker 7: And I know the time that he played, and I

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Speaker 3: But those numbers once again, okay, thousands, go back to

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Speaker 4: This is what this is what the NFL was.

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Speaker 3: You did not have teams that were out here throwing

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Speaker 7: Nobody had gone to go in this Why did it

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Speaker 3: That, I just told you one more time. This has

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Speaker 4: It took way too long for him to get it.

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Speaker 7: I didn't play against him, but I can.

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Speaker 4: Look at him that and that he changed the game.

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Speaker 8: So we're talking, we're talking about numbers that are not

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Speaker 3: got put in, but it's Lynn Swann and Drew Pearson,

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Speaker 3: Slash why part checking numbers here and this is what

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Speaker 3: it says for Lyn Swan career three hundred and thirty

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Speaker 3: six receptions, receiving yards, five thousand, four hundred and sixty

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Speaker 3: two receiving touchdowns fifty one.

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Speaker 2: What you say.

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Speaker 3: Career fel statistics three hundred and thirty six catches, five thousand,

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Speaker 3: four hundred and sixty two yards, fifty one receiving touchdowns

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Speaker 3: all all decade nineteen seventies, three times Pro Bowler, three

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Speaker 3: times First Team All Pro, Super Bowl, MVP, Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: ten when they beat.

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Speaker 4: The Cowboys, and four time Super Bowl champion.

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Speaker 2: Alive yards five thousand yards. But also when was he

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Speaker 2: he made? When was playing big?

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Speaker 4: Let's make so he let he finished in nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Eighty two when they wasn't throwing like that in so

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Speaker 3: so the thing.

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Speaker 8: It's kind of like when and the plays that he

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Speaker 8: made in the biggest games, bro, you get Swani showed up.

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Speaker 2: I ain't no saying other people didn't. Oh no, when people.

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Speaker 6: But when you say that number though, like you said,

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Speaker 6: three hundred and ninety.

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Speaker 4: Three hundred and thirty six catch estions.

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Speaker 6: Three hundred and thirty six das has five hundred and

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Speaker 6: thirty seventh.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and you can't, you can't. And this is

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Speaker 3: where I get frustrated. It's not the same game.

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Speaker 2: It's not it's not the same.

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Speaker 3: We can say football, but the NFL is not the

541
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Speaker 3: same game.

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Speaker 4: It's legislated differently, the rules are different.

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Speaker 3: They have pushed offense all day long and now passing

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Speaker 3: and you got I mean, think about Rocky Blyer, Rocky Blyer,

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Speaker 3: Robert Newhouse, two well known fullbacks.

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Speaker 2: Man, you're lucky you know Rockyers.

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Speaker 6: I don't know who Rocky Blyers, but I do know

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Speaker 6: Rod Newhouse. And I mean, I'm sorry Robert, because I

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Speaker 6: know I know it's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So that's just like, so you know, these are positions

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Speaker 4: that they don't even have to.

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Speaker 3: I remember when William Floyd played for the San Francisco

554
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Speaker 3: Run drafted the first round out of Florida State, bar none.

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Speaker 3: I can't think of the last time we saw a

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Speaker 3: fullback drafted in the first round. But this is the

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Speaker 3: difference to the the NFL. Football's changed. So when you

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Speaker 3: talk about received leaving numbers and passing numbers, to me,

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Speaker 3: I always say, go back to when a guy left.

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Speaker 3: When Tony dor Set left the National Football League, think

561
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Speaker 3: he was second all time in rushing.

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Speaker 4: He passed OJ Simpson.

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Speaker 2: He was second or third.

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Speaker 3: So so now you look at it, it's not the same.

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Speaker 3: But when you leave the game and you are top

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Speaker 3: three in a major category, dude, that's ballin it is

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Speaker 3: Joe Demagio.

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Speaker 4: It's just a baseball reference.

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Speaker 3: When Joe Demagio left Major League baseball, he was second

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Speaker 3: or third all time in home runs with only like

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Speaker 3: three hundred plus home runs under four hundred today, that's

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Speaker 3: nothing but that to me, when I say when did

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Speaker 3: you leave and how you left, it's a heck.

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Speaker 4: It's a heck of a thing. We don't talk about context.

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Speaker 3: So much of what matters when I think about these

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Speaker 3: things what's the context. And I go back to Lynn

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Speaker 3: Swann and what you were saying, the biggest games and

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Speaker 3: the biggest lights. That dude was there. Super Bowl thirteen

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Speaker 3: makes a hell of a catch, ends up getting hurt

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Speaker 3: and going out of the game, But it was one

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Speaker 3: of the differences the Steelers beat the Cowboys become the

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Speaker 3: team of the seventies four Super Bowl championships. Yes, the

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Speaker 3: first two they were running the ball, but dude was there.

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Speaker 3: That's what puts you in when you start to look

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Speaker 3: at the amount of winning first team. Okay, when they

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Speaker 3: came out all nineties.

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Speaker 4: So they sit up here.

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Speaker 3: They got two receivers for the whole decade, a heck

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Speaker 3: of a decade of football.

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Speaker 4: By the way, it's some tremendous players.

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Speaker 2: He was there. That's why I feel like.

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Speaker 4: Brian wasn't there.

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Speaker 6: No, he wasn't. And I'm not making a case for him.

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Speaker 6: I said, in my generation, I'm thinking about it. But

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Speaker 6: when I sit here, like I said, I'm a football guy.

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Speaker 6: Like when you become when you play outter a certain

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Speaker 6: amount of time, you know, you start to study of

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Speaker 6: and you have a better appreciation for it and looking

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Speaker 6: at the numbers, it's like, yes, he was iconic for

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Speaker 6: what I seen. But like you said, my man had

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Speaker 6: five thousand yards on three hundred and thirty six catch,

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Speaker 6: five hundred and thirty seven reception, he only has seven

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Speaker 6: thousand and only that is a major accompaniment some guys,

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Speaker 6: I'll never get this, But five hundred and thirty seven

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Speaker 6: Like you know how PFF has the ratio like, hey,

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Speaker 6: if this person only played five reps but he had

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Speaker 6: two sacks, then his production ratio is way over there.

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Speaker 6: Like I wish they had a grating skill like this

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Speaker 6: when it comes for talking to you know, if you're

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Speaker 6: going to compare receiver as a receiver, if he did

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Speaker 6: what he did in today's game with the protection that

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Speaker 6: this is what we project that he would have in

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Speaker 6: this day and age with you know, thirty four plus

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Speaker 6: games or howevery many extra plus regular season games because

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Speaker 6: we talk about I remember what was it a couple

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Speaker 6: would have been cool. The record's broken, but you have

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Speaker 6: way more games. Oh well, the Brett farlaid down for

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Speaker 6: straight hand to get the record and do this and

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Speaker 6: do that.

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Speaker 2: He did it in less reps.

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Speaker 6: Like it's still more impressive when you can do that, Like,

627
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Speaker 3: And it took contacts to go into all time contacts.

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Speaker 3: I mean, right now you start looking NFL passing leader,

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Speaker 3: it's all time yardage.

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Speaker 4: Brady's number one. Nobody argues with that.

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Speaker 3: But what I do find interesting when people say, well

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634
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Speaker 4: Matt Ryan's eighth all time? Is Matt Ryan a Hall

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Speaker 4: of Famer?

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Speaker 8: Is Frank Gore Hall of Famer? Was Frank Gore ever?

638
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Speaker 8: First Team All Pro? Is he ever the best running

639
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Speaker 8: back in the league? Was he ever the top back

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Speaker 8: in the league? But he got Hall of Fame now.

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Speaker 6: He got he got Hall of Fame numbers, and what

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Speaker 6: he had most importantly his longevity, Like, well, what do

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Speaker 6: you mean, bro, Who's who's played that long margument that we're.

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Speaker 2: Making right now? As well? You just made the argument

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Speaker 2: there's more games and.

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Speaker 6: It is, but it's he's played in multiple like it's not.

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Speaker 6: He played in one era. Frank Gore played.

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Speaker 3: Frank Gore sixteen thousand yards of rushing. How many numbers

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Speaker 3: he played number three all time? I don't know the

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Speaker 3: number of years at about sixteen years.

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Speaker 6: And buddy playing multiple years he played like we got

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Speaker 6: as we're talking.

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Speaker 4: When when you talk about.

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Speaker 7: Saying a thousand, a thousand yards ain't that big of

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Speaker 7: a deal.

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Speaker 3: Touchdowns twenty twenty's twentieth all time and touchdowns eighty one,

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Speaker 3: tied with OJ Anderson was.

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Speaker 2: The first pro ever first team Pro Ever. I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't think you.

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Speaker 6: I don't think you should say that, because that's that's

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Speaker 6: the measuring stick of as well.

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Speaker 2: It's a measuring stick. But we just you.

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Speaker 6: The whole argument before him was just about how the

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Speaker 3: Your This is what the great Rick Goslin would tell me.

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Speaker 3: He said, stack compiler, and I believe that's what you're

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Speaker 3: talking about here. Frank gorey Hall of Fame player. Was

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Speaker 3: he just a stack compiler because he played. And it's

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Speaker 3: an interesting thing because in the world of baseball, you

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Speaker 3: hang out long enough and get yourself three thousand hits,

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Speaker 3: they're gonna put you in based on, you know, three

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Speaker 3: thousand hits, three thousand hits. Frank Gore finishing third all

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Speaker 3: time and playing that long, there is something to be

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Speaker 3: said for that when you look at guys who've had

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Speaker 3: shorter careers and it gets used against them. So it's

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Speaker 3: a fantastic argument. And I would love to hear the person.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know which city Frank Gore would be

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Speaker 3: represented by. Who makes who makes the present day? Was

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Speaker 3: someone from San Francisco or who doesn't? What case would

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Speaker 3: you make for Frank Gore? It'd be very interesting. Here's

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Speaker 3: what we do. No, he was never a first team

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Speaker 3: All Pro player. He was a second team All Pro once,

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Speaker 3: five time pro bowler. He was NFL All Decade twenty ten,

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Speaker 3: so he wasn't All Decade player.

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Speaker 4: So he does that. He does have that his in

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Speaker 4: his in his back pocket.

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Speaker 3: And Frank Gore's almost in some ways as another fantastic

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Speaker 3: case of for Eli Manning. There are a lot of

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Speaker 3: people out there about Eli Manning who have a question

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Speaker 3: mark about.

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Speaker 2: Him, but he is well Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: But Frank Gore, here's your Here're your running backs for

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Speaker 3: for the twenty tens. Frank Gore, Marshawn Lynch, Lashawn McCoy,

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Speaker 3: and Adrian Peterson.

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Speaker 4: Those are your your four running backs.

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Speaker 8: So okay, So out of that list who you're picking,

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Speaker 8: you can only pick one.

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Speaker 6: If I'm pickings again, it's Adrian Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Let him pick.

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Speaker 3: I want to give it is Frank Gore, Marshaun Lynch,

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Speaker 3: Lashawn McCoy, and Adrian Peterson.

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Speaker 6: First ballot, yeah, ap, second ballot, Frank Gore. Out of

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Speaker 6: those guys, I mean those other two guys, they were

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Speaker 6: they were they were special, like shady shifting.

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Speaker 2: You talking about doing everything. I'll say this, but.

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Speaker 6: The best ability is availability, and Frank was available for

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Speaker 6: a long time.

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Speaker 2: It's a fantastic argument.

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Speaker 4: Now when you say pick one, I mean on these

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have multiple guys at a position go in

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Speaker 3: because just say, for instance, the quarterback, your two quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: on the list of Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, they're both.

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Speaker 2: Gonna go in.

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Speaker 4: They'll both be first ballot guys.

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Speaker 8: And it ain't two running backs on that list that's

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Speaker 8: going in right now, that's going in at the same time.

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Speaker 2: That's two different things you just said at the same time.

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Speaker 2: That's what I meant. What I mean is what I

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Speaker 4: Okay, two running backs on the same ballot.

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Speaker 8: Going yeah, no, no, no, they could be the same ballot,

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Speaker 8: But I don't think the two of those, that more

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Speaker 8: than one from that list is going to go in

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Speaker 8: at one time.

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Speaker 2: Not at one time.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, when you say the same class, like the

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Speaker 3: same Hall of Fame class, it's very rare. It's very

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Speaker 3: rare that you get multiple positions in one class at.

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Speaker 4: The same and it's rare.

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Speaker 2: And if we're being.

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Speaker 8: Completely non champ go in with with Ed Reid or

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Speaker 8: something like that to.

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Speaker 4: Safety in corner.

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Speaker 2: This is defensive back.

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Speaker 8: Neither one of y'all lined up to play the position

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Speaker 8: defensive back.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I lined up with both, and.

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Speaker 8: I know the skill and the technique it takes to

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Speaker 8: play both here and so Cardinal Lake played both.

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Speaker 4: Ad Here's what I'm trying to tell you.

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Speaker 3: Know, you understand that when I'm talking to the voters

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Speaker 3: and the people that do this, they have a differentiation

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Speaker 3: between the safety and the corner, I know, and now

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Speaker 3: a Rod Woodson, a Ronnie Lott played both who played both.

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Speaker 4: By the way, they just them ain't too many rod Woodson's.

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Speaker 7: I mean, that's like Aus Wilson Arnell Lake.

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Speaker 4: Right, there's like a list.

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Speaker 2: Now there's a.

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Speaker 7: Button list then then then then than there is but.

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Speaker 3: But but for the most part, they're looking at safety,

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Speaker 3: you know, corner. They're looking at him and that such

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Speaker 3: like a tie law. They're going to put him in

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Speaker 3: the corner kind of conversation. Ever since Wall, they are

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Speaker 3: going to put him in the corner conversation. And when

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Speaker 3: you talk about many guys who played both, first off,

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Speaker 3: it's very rare that you got somebody.

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Speaker 4: Who's that damn good anyway.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you should be able to go

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Speaker 3: the corner to safety and then still be balling to

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Speaker 3: special guys. We didn't get that many special dudes out

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Speaker 3: there like that. And just looking right here on the

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Speaker 3: Darell Reeves, Richie Sherman, and that was and uh, that

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Speaker 4: Then they go into defensive back.

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Speaker 3: They put two defensive backs there they said Chris Harrison,

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Speaker 3: Tyron Matthew. Then for safety they put three dudes on there,

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Speaker 3: Eric Barry, Earl Thomas and Eric Waddle. That so that

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Speaker 4: Three places for for for DB's so one corner dB

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Speaker 5: need the work, and so they were a tough, tough

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Speaker 5: opponent for us. The other day we almost pulled.

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Speaker 3: The Carolina Panthers have beaten three teams this year, Atlanta, Miami,

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Speaker 3: and Dallas. They've lost to Jacksonville, They've lost to Arizona,

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Speaker 3: they've lost to New England. All three losses were on

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Speaker 3: the road. All three wins were at home. And if

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Speaker 3: Jerry says they're on par with Carolina, guys, that doesn't

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Speaker 3: make me feel real good.

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Speaker 8: Let me say this before I forget it real quick,

892
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Speaker 8: because it was something he said, and and I don't

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Speaker 8: remember exactly what he said real quick, but he says

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Speaker 8: it made reference to the point that they almost that

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Speaker 8: they thought Rico was gonna get over two hundred yards.

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Speaker 2: Then he say, what do he It sounded like that,

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Speaker 2: It sounded like who said that. I didn't. I didn't hear.

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Speaker 6: What I heard was him just he basically just said,

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Speaker 6: I fools ain't gonna get fired. I need him in

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Speaker 6: the fight, but also this is a tough, tough opponent.

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Speaker 8: I said about the matchup, no way that they felt

902
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Speaker 8: like the game was going to know there now.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he said that the match up win exactly how

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Speaker 6: I was planned in the schedule from them seeing that

905
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Speaker 6: they just planned on him a couple.

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Speaker 8: More so, what I heard was that, yeah, we we

907
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Speaker 8: planned he We knew that he was gonna bust all right,

908
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Speaker 8: but we just thought that we might be able to

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Speaker 8: stop him at some point in time.

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Speaker 2: He didn't say him, he said, he said to them.

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Speaker 3: But we know who Breese Hall ran ran against. They've

912
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Speaker 3: they've given up yardage on the ground.

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Speaker 8: But we're talking about what he just said about Carolina, right,

914
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Speaker 8: and I'm just saying, yes.

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Speaker 4: He sounded like he said, hey, yeah, we knew we're

916
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Speaker 4: gonna give him some yards.

917
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were gonna give some yard.

918
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Speaker 3: But we thought we thought we get We thought Dak

919
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 3: was gonna and this is what Dak. We thought we're

920
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Speaker 3: getting the ball back six six o seven to go.

921
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Speaker 3: They thought they had one more shot to go win

922
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Speaker 3: the football game. But the vaunted the Carolina offense led

923
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Speaker 3: bry Bryce Young, did the six minute seven drive, not

924
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: a two minute, not a two minute, not a three minute,

925
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Speaker 3: but a six minute seven drive to say, you're not

926
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Speaker 3: getting the football back. Dude, that's pathetic, that's embarrassing. And Jerry, uh, yeah,

927
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Speaker 3: you wanted Matt Ebraflus, he tells us right there, he

928
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 3: hired Matt Eberflus. He wanted Matt Eberflus back in the building.

929
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Speaker 3: And this guy's not getting it done. But he said,

930
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Speaker 3: you know he's gonna be here.

931
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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 8: I think that the defense in itself, and we've talked

933
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Speaker 8: about this a lot of times already, this defense had

934
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Speaker 8: another gal on it at one point in time that

935
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Speaker 8: could make a lot of things disappear.

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Speaker 2: And at the same time, and.

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Speaker 4: At this hunt, they got the number one rush defense

938
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Speaker 4: in league.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 8: And then at the same time as well, Like if

941
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Speaker 8: you're looking at it and I don't know what options

942
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Speaker 8: ebra Flus has or whatever defense coordinator had, this job

943
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Speaker 8: is a much more attractive job with Michael Parsons on

944
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Speaker 8: the team than without him on the team.

945
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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 6: But I'm sorry, I'm sorry, stop talking about that, bro,

947
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Speaker 6: Like that doesn't matter, Like.

948
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Speaker 2: You are you talking about the job? Okay?

949
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Speaker 8: So you looking at teams, you're a free agent, you're

950
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 8: looking at teams, right, You're looking at teams. You're looking

951
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 8: at teams that got championship pedigree, players on it compared

952
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Speaker 8: to the.

953
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Speaker 7: Dudes who you know ain't gonna do nothing.

954
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Speaker 2: So what what team are you gonna pick?

955
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Speaker 8: Are you going to the team that's going to probably

956
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Speaker 8: get you to the playoffs with the champion pedigree?

957
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Speaker 2: Are you gonna take the take the team that's not

958
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Speaker 2: that you know exact?

959
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Speaker 6: What are you talking about from what perspective? A player

960
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 6: perspective on a coach's perspective, I'm talking about different perspective. No,

961
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Speaker 6: at the end of the day, now a free agent, Yes,

962
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Speaker 6: it is if I'm thinking of job something, Yes, if

963
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Speaker 6: somebody says that they're gonna get the defensive hold on,

964
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Speaker 6: hold on, let me. You can't interrupt me. If you're

965
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Speaker 6: gonna ask me a question, let me get it out. So,

966
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Speaker 6: like I said, it is a different job. If I'm

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Speaker 6: a defensive coordinator and somebody says I have the potential

968
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Speaker 6: to go be the defensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys,

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Speaker 6: or I'm gonna go be the defensive coordinator of the

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Speaker 6: Cleveland Browns. They gonna take the Cowboys every time because

971
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Speaker 6: of the off the field money, because of the note

972
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Speaker 6: to ride, because of the media.

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Speaker 2: Like you do deal with those things, but then.

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Speaker 6: You also and then you put them in then you

975
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Speaker 6: also market. But then also but then also you gotta

976
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Speaker 6: take it. Yeah, you put that's two different markets. Why

977
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Speaker 6: nobody would take it? But then hold on, I got

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Speaker 6: you new I don't want to keep talking. But also

979
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Speaker 6: the last thing is the ownership. Am I gonna go

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Speaker 6: somewhere that somebody wants me or don't want me? And

981
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Speaker 6: if I'm eber Flus going to America's.

982
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Speaker 4: Team the owner leveland Brown So.

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Speaker 2: That's two different organizations.

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Speaker 4: End it like this. I don't know if Maddi Flus

985
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Speaker 4: even had another option, that's all.

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Speaker 9: He might not.

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Speaker 2: That's all all.

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