WEBVTT - Horrific Murderer and Half-Hearted Blackmailer: Meet Dr. Cream

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas Neil Cream graduated with honors on March thirty first,

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen seventy six, from Montreal's McGill Medical School. The address

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<v Speaker 2>given to his class that day was titled the Evils

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<v Speaker 2>of Malpractice in the Medical Profession. A little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>evil foreshadowing, you might say. His thesis had been about

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<v Speaker 2>the effects of chloroform A lot more foreshadowing, as he

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<v Speaker 2>would soon demonstrate just how devastating he could be with

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<v Speaker 2>toxic compounds. Sixteen years later, a mob of onlookers attended

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<v Speaker 2>his execution for murder and extortion outside Newgate Prison in London.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's meet the good doctor. Welcome to Criminalia. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Mariach Marky.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Holly Frye. Thomas Neil Cream was born on

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<v Speaker 1>May twenty seventh, eighteen fifty, the eldest of eight children

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<v Speaker 1>to William and Mary Cream in Glasgow, Scotland. The family

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<v Speaker 1>left Scotland for Canada when Thomas was just four years old,

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<v Speaker 1>and his father became the manager of a shipbuilding and

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<v Speaker 1>lumber firm located in Wolf's Cove near Quebec City, and

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<v Speaker 1>the family prospered. His father had grown a very successful business,

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<v Speaker 1>and Thomas had become accustomed to a wealthy lifestyle that

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<v Speaker 1>included flashy clothing and jewelry and touring about in fancy

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<v Speaker 1>horse drawn carriages. When he attended McGill, he gained a

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<v Speaker 1>reputation among his fellow students as being extravagant, wild, and

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit sleazy. Through photographs and written descriptions of him,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that Thomas looked a lot like what you

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<v Speaker 1>might consider an archetypal villain of Victorian era. He wore

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<v Speaker 1>a top hat and a black silk cape, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had a big mustache that was perfect for twirling.

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas killed his first, well his first proven victims in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. Additional victims were in England, others in Canada,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe in Scotland. But we're not here to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the murderer Thomas Neil Cream. We're here to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>his other criminal offense, extortion and blackmail. Thomas was ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>undone when he attempted to frame and blackmail other people

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<v Speaker 2>for his murders.

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<v Speaker 1>Not long after his graduation from medical school, Thomas met

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<v Speaker 1>a woman named Flora Brooks, who was the daughter of

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<v Speaker 1>a prosperous hotel owner in Waterloo, Quebec. When Flora became pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas terminated her pregnancy, but that did not go well.

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<v Speaker 1>Flora fell ill, and after learning what had transpired, her

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<v Speaker 1>father tracked down Thomas, forced him back to Waterloo and

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<v Speaker 1>then also forced him, allegedly at gunpoint, to marry Flora.

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<v Speaker 1>But the day after the two were married, Thomas left.

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<v Speaker 1>He moved to London.

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas's story takes place during the Industrial Revolution, which spanned

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<v Speaker 2>from about seventeen sixty to eighteen forty, a period responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for an increase in the standard of living, an increase

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<v Speaker 2>in population, and the emergence of the capitalist economy. And

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<v Speaker 2>we mentioned this specifically because in England there was an

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<v Speaker 2>increase in the demand for doctors to care for those

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<v Speaker 2>living in poverty. Some reports state Thomas planned to study

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<v Speaker 2>surgery at Saint Thomas's Hospital, but failed their entrance requirements.

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<v Speaker 2>He was though accepted by the Royal College of Physicians

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<v Speaker 2>and Surgeons in Edinburgh. In late eighteen seventy eight, he

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<v Speaker 2>returned to Canada, where he set up his practice in London, Ontario.

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<v Speaker 2>He quickly became known as the guide to see a

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<v Speaker 2>terminated pregnancy in a legal act. At that time in Ontario,

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<v Speaker 2>he spent his free time carousing and courting women.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, back in Quebec, in eighteen seventy seven, his wife

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<v Speaker 1>Flora contracted broncos and she died of what appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>be consumption. Today we would call that tuberculosis. Her doctor, however,

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<v Speaker 1>later stated that he couldn't help but wonder if her

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<v Speaker 1>death had been linked to pills that Thomas had sent her,

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<v Speaker 1>and he admitted that he had always considered that her

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<v Speaker 1>death may have involved foul play. That, of course, though,

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<v Speaker 1>was his opinion in the hindsight.

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<v Speaker 2>About a year after establishing his new practice in Ontario,

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<v Speaker 2>the body of a woman named Kate Gardiner was discovered

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<v Speaker 2>in an outhouse located behind his office building, with a

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<v Speaker 2>bottle of chloroform next to her body. Authorities were suspicious

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<v Speaker 2>about the circumstances of Kate's death, after all, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a bottle of chloroform sitting with her, and they soon

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<v Speaker 2>discovered that she had visited Thomas's office on more than

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<v Speaker 2>one occasion seeking to end a pregnancy. But when questioned,

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<v Speaker 2>the doctor insisted that he had refused her in his

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<v Speaker 2>estimation her death must have been a suicide. Jury disagreed

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<v Speaker 2>with his assessment and ruled that Gardner died from chloroform

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<v Speaker 2>administered by some person unknown. Thomas was not charged with

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<v Speaker 2>her murder. However, suspicions against him grew so strong that

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<v Speaker 2>both his practice and his reputation were ruined. He relocated

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<v Speaker 2>to the United States. Thomas set up a medical practice

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<v Speaker 2>on Chicago's West Side, in a district known for its

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<v Speaker 2>high percentage of sex workers and its poverty stricken neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon word got around to those in the neighborhood and

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<v Speaker 2>to local police that he was the guide to see

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<v Speaker 2>to terminate a pregnancy, also illegal in the United States

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<v Speaker 2>at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a break for a word from

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<v Speaker 1>our sponsors here, and when we're back we will talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Thomas's arrest and time spent at the Illinois State Penitentiary.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk about the people who

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<v Speaker 2>died under Thomas's care.

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<v Speaker 1>In August of eighteen eighty, a woman named Julia Faulkner

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<v Speaker 1>whose name may have been Mary Anne. That's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit unclear anyway, she had been under Thomas's care, and

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<v Speaker 1>she died under mysterious circumstances. This time he was arrested

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<v Speaker 1>on charges of murder, but due to lack of evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>he was not convicted. In December of that same year,

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<v Speaker 1>another of his patients, Ellen Stack, died after she took

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<v Speaker 1>medicine that was prescribed by Thomas. It was about a

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<v Speaker 1>month after Ellen's death when Thomas started to engage in

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<v Speaker 1>blackmail and extortion. This was his first go round, and

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<v Speaker 1>in it he attempted to blackmail the pharmacist who had

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<v Speaker 1>compounded Stack's prescription by sending him threatening letters. The pharmacist

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<v Speaker 1>complained to the police, but no charges were ever brought forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing can of this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was eighteen eighty one when authorities finally had enough

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<v Speaker 2>evidence to arrest and try Thomas. They charged him with

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<v Speaker 2>the murder of a Chicago man named Daniel Stott. Daniel's wife, Julia,

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<v Speaker 2>had been regularly picking up pills from Thomas, who had

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<v Speaker 2>been marketing them as a remedy for epilepsy. She and

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas began an affair, but when Daniel grew suspicious of them,

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas coerced Julia into having her husband take out a

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<v Speaker 2>life insurance policy on himself, and then he sent her

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<v Speaker 2>home with strych nine laced pills instead of his epilepsy remedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Stott died on June fourteenth, eighteen eighty one, within minutes

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<v Speaker 2>of taking those pills, but his death was ultimately considered

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<v Speaker 2>to be from complications of an epileptic seizure, and again

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas picked up his pen. He sent a blackmail letter

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<v Speaker 2>to the coroner accusing the pharmacist who compounded Stott's pills

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<v Speaker 2>of being responsible for the death, and he demanded five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars for his silence. He also threatened to collect

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<v Speaker 2>money on Julia's behalf. When the coroner ignored the letter,

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas went to the district attorney to request the body

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<v Speaker 2>being zoomed. Upon further examination, it was found there was

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<v Speaker 2>enough strychnine in Stott's stomach to kill three people.

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<v Speaker 1>Although he pointed a finger at the pharmacist, it was

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas who was arrested. He was a suspicious character in

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<v Speaker 1>the death, and then Julia told authorities that she suspected

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<v Speaker 1>he had tampered with her husband's medicine. Thomas was charged

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<v Speaker 1>with and found guilty of murder in the second degree,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was sentenced to life at the Illinois State

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<v Speaker 1>Penitentiary and Juliet. He didn't serve a life sentence, though

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<v Speaker 1>not even close. He was released in June of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one when Governor Joseph Pfeiffer commuted the sentence. Though

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<v Speaker 1>there isn't really much, if any evidence, it is assumed

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<v Speaker 1>that the governor was bribed and possibly by Thomas's family.

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<v Speaker 1>Returned to Canada very briefly to collect an inheritance of

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen thousand dollars from his father's death. Then he returned

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<v Speaker 1>to England, where he moved to Lambeth Palace Road, in

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<v Speaker 1>an impoverished neighborhood of South London.

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas began referring to himself as Thomas Neil minus the Cream.

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<v Speaker 2>At this time. Almost all reports about him state he

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<v Speaker 2>was addicted to morphine and possibly cocaine, and possibly other

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<v Speaker 2>drugs too. In the first seven months in the Lambeth district,

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<v Speaker 2>he poisoned at least four sex workers, including Matilda Clover, Ellen,

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<v Speaker 2>Nellie Donworth, Alice Marsh and Emma Shrivel. A fifth victim

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<v Speaker 2>named Louise Harvey, had luckily and wisely decided against swallowing

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<v Speaker 2>the strych nine laced pills the good doctor had offered

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<v Speaker 2>to her. Her spidy sense of sorts kicked in and

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<v Speaker 2>it saved her life. She later testified against him in court.

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<v Speaker 2>Reynolds's newspaper reported the exchange between Louise and Thomas went

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<v Speaker 2>as so quote. He took two pills out of his

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<v Speaker 2>waistcoat pocket. They were wrapped in tissue paper and were long,

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<v Speaker 2>rather narrower at one end than the other. It was dark,

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<v Speaker 2>but they seemed to be of light color. He asked

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<v Speaker 2>her to swallow them one by one and not bite them.

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<v Speaker 2>He put them into her right hand. She pretended to

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<v Speaker 2>take them and passed them into her left hand. He

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<v Speaker 2>then asked her to show her right hand, and she

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<v Speaker 2>showed him it was empty. He then asked to see

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<v Speaker 2>the left hand in which the pills were, and she

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<v Speaker 2>threw them away.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas worked by befriending his victims, and then he would

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<v Speaker 1>offer them medications, supposedly to clear up something like a

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<v Speaker 1>rash or another vague ailment or complaint they had. But

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<v Speaker 1>his remedies were laced with strychnine. It's highly likely that

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<v Speaker 1>he would have avoided detection. Except he could not stop

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<v Speaker 1>scratching the itch. He decided to accuse his neighbor of

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<v Speaker 1>two murders. And here's where he really begins to use

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<v Speaker 1>a distortion along with his killings. Using a false name

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<v Speaker 1>of Malone, he wrote a letter to a prominent English neurologist,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor William Broadbent, claiming to have evidence of the doctor's

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<v Speaker 1>involvement in Matilda Clover's death, and he demanded twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand pounds to keep that information to himself. Doctor Broadbent

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<v Speaker 1>contacted Scotland Yard, who then waited for the mystery blackmailer

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<v Speaker 1>to collect the money. No one ever showed up. But

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas had unwittingly incriminated himself in that letter to Broadbent

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<v Speaker 1>because he had referred to the death of Matilda Clover

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<v Speaker 1>as a murder, despite it having been recorded as death

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<v Speaker 1>due to her excessive alcohol abuse. He had revealed knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>that only the killer could have known, and in that

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<v Speaker 1>instant Scotland Yard knew the person the press had nicknamed

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<v Speaker 1>the Lambeth poisoner was linked to the recent rash of

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<v Speaker 1>blackmail letters.

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas also wrote to the coroner offering to name the

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<v Speaker 2>murder of Nellie Donworth in return for a three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand pound payout. He also attempted to blackmail a WFD Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>owner of W. H. Smith Books, accusing him of Donworth's

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<v Speaker 2>murder and demanding money to keep quiet about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He then kind of went blackmail crazy. He claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>he had incriminating evidence against a Joseph Harper, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a local medical student. He sent an accusatory letter to

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<v Speaker 1>Harper's father, signed William H. Murray, demanding fifteen hundred pounds

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<v Speaker 1>to destroy alleged evidence against his son or he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to share his knowledge with the police. Harper refused. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>under different pseudonyms and once pretending to be a detective,

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas sent letters to the coroner implicating Harper and to

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<v Speaker 1>a Frederick Smith, demanding three thousand pounds to destroy supposed

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<v Speaker 1>evidence against both of them in the murders of the

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<v Speaker 1>four women. A similar letter was sent to Lord Russell,

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<v Speaker 1>a British Liberal Party politician. No blackmail money was ever collected.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a break for word from our sponsors,

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<v Speaker 2>and when we return, we'll talk about Thomas's arrest and

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<v Speaker 2>sentencing and what he may or may not have said

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<v Speaker 2>on the day of his execution.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to criminalia. Now let's talk about how Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>was finally caught and how he may or may not

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<v Speaker 1>have been Jack the Ripper. Yeah, stay tuned with us

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<v Speaker 1>on that one.

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<v Speaker 2>The poisonings were beginning to incite fear among the public,

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<v Speaker 2>and London's Daily News reported quote the police at Scotland

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<v Speaker 2>Yard are still pursuing their inquiries into the recent cases

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<v Speaker 2>of fatal poisoning of women in the neighborhood of Lambeth,

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<v Speaker 2>with a view to establishing a connection between the suspected

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<v Speaker 2>person against whom the police hold a warrant. From the

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<v Speaker 2>accounts which the police have received from various quarters concerning

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<v Speaker 2>this individual, there is every reason to believe that the

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<v Speaker 2>opinion of the detectives is correct, that he is suffering

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<v Speaker 2>from a form of mental derangement which finds exercise and

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<v Speaker 2>a desire to take away life. There is no other

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<v Speaker 2>motive attributable to the cruel poisonings, and as the history

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<v Speaker 2>of the Whitechapel murders shows, the indulgence of this homicidal

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<v Speaker 2>tendency upon women and a defenseless position is not singular

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<v Speaker 2>to the Lambeth poisoner. The Whitechapel murders mentioned were those

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<v Speaker 2>committed by the notoriously unidentified serial killer known as Jack

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<v Speaker 2>the Ripper.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's the thing about Thomas Neil Kream. He probably

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<v Speaker 1>could have continued his killing streak if he had just

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<v Speaker 1>stayed quiet about his activities. But he didn't. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like he couldn't. He bragged about his detailed knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>each killing. He even took former New York Least detective

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<v Speaker 1>John Haynes on a tour of the murder scenes in

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<v Speaker 1>the area. Haines became alarmed at the amount of detail

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<v Speaker 1>that Thomas knew, and he brought his concerns to the

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<v Speaker 1>attention of the police inspector. Thomas also gave a similar

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<v Speaker 1>tour to a mister McIntyre, who turned out to be

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<v Speaker 1>a police sergeant. But Thomas did not know that. McIntyre

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<v Speaker 1>began to surveil the doctor police constable. Comely we think

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<v Speaker 1>he was a constable. He was definitely law enforcement had

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<v Speaker 1>by chance seen a man who fit Thomas's description with

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<v Speaker 1>two of the women on the nights of their deaths.

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<v Speaker 1>He too, started to keep a close eye on him.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, of course there were those letters Thomas wrote

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<v Speaker 2>his letters under false identities in an attempt to cast

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<v Speaker 2>suspicion on other people, innocent people and always doctors or bourgeois,

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<v Speaker 2>and to extort money from anyone who could have in

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<v Speaker 2>some way been a potential suspect in the murders of

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<v Speaker 2>the four women in Lambeth. Think of these as I

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<v Speaker 2>know what you did, pay me not to talk kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of notes. It's the very definition of blackmail, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>that there was no truth in his accusations. Once his

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<v Speaker 2>letters drew attention from Scotland Yard, circumstances finally led to

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<v Speaker 2>his arrest. Thomas was charged with the extortion of two

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<v Speaker 2>London physicians.

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<v Speaker 1>Though there were others.

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<v Speaker 2>When evidence including seven bottles of Strych nine, was found

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<v Speaker 2>at his lodging, he was subsequently arrested and charged with

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<v Speaker 2>the murders of four women and the attempted murder of

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<v Speaker 2>a fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas's trial took place at London's Central Criminal Court, known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Old Bailey, over the course of five days

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<v Speaker 1>in October of eighteen ninety two. The jury needed only

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<v Speaker 1>twelve minutes to find him guilty of the death of

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<v Speaker 1>Matilda Clover, and with that Justice Henry Hawkins, the presiding

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<v Speaker 1>judge sentenced the doctor to hang, telling the prisoner that

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<v Speaker 1>his deeds could quote be expied only by your death.

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<v Speaker 2>On November fifteenth, eighteen ninety two, Thomas was taken to

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<v Speaker 2>the gallows. A pretty sizable crowd had gathered. Reports estimate

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere between three hundred to five thousand people came to

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<v Speaker 2>the scene of the execution. It wasn't public, though public

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<v Speaker 2>hangings ended in London in eighteen sixty eight. The Toronto

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<v Speaker 2>Globe reported the next day, quote, probably no criminal was

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<v Speaker 2>ever executed in London who had a less pitying mob

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<v Speaker 2>awaiting his execution.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the Courier in argus, quote, the morning was

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<v Speaker 1>dull and wet. By order of the High Sheriff, no

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<v Speaker 1>pressmen were admitted to the scene of the execution. Neil

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<v Speaker 1>appeared half dazed, but he walked and assisted. After the executioner,

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<v Speaker 1>James Billington, drew from his pocket a white cap and

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<v Speaker 1>placed it over Neil's head. He pulled the lever. The

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<v Speaker 1>bolts supporting the drop were drawn, and Neil was launched

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<v Speaker 1>into eternity. So as he fell, Thomas, allegedly, according to

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<v Speaker 1>only Billington, began to say something and it was something

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<v Speaker 1>that sounded like, quote, I am Jack, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>cut off as he fell to his death. Historians have

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<v Speaker 1>theorized that those last words, which Billington insisted were a

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<v Speaker 1>confession that he was Jack the Ripper, were probably nothing

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<v Speaker 1>more than an attempt to take credit for the murders

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<v Speaker 1>of a more famous killer. However, it is even more

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<v Speaker 1>likely that he never said anything at all.

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<v Speaker 2>While the Ripper theory is still holding today among some crowds,

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<v Speaker 2>most following the Ripper's story believed he couldn't have been

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<v Speaker 2>that infamous killer. As Thomas served his prison sentence from

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen eighty one to eighteen ninety one in Juliet, Illinois

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States, and all of Jack the Ripper's

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<v Speaker 2>murders were committed between August thirty first and November ninth,

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen eighty eight. And then there's this theory which we

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<v Speaker 2>felt we really did need to include in his biography.

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<v Speaker 2>Marshall Hall, the lawyer who defended Thomas, stated he believed

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<v Speaker 2>that the doctor had a double and that the two

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<v Speaker 2>used the same name and used each other's terms of

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<v Speaker 2>imprisonment as alibis for each other. I mean, it really

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<v Speaker 2>does seem everyone has a theory about Jack the Ripper

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<v Speaker 2>still today.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, it has launched a thousand books. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>like to head out to the coercion concoction area?

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly would listen.

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<v Speaker 1>This may be very predictable, but I wanted to do

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<v Speaker 1>a creamy drink because of.

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<v Speaker 2>His name dark cream yep, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the pills that were mentioned were described as light colored.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to make something that you drink and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, this tastes like a thing, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a second later you go, wait, does this have that

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<v Speaker 1>other thing in it? Which is exactly what happened when

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<v Speaker 1>I tested on my adorable guinea pig's mouth. This is

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<v Speaker 1>called Doctor Cream's Elixir. I almost called it criminal fanfic

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<v Speaker 1>because as he made up so much stuff about other people.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is one where I really want you to

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<v Speaker 1>stick with me, because you might go this doesn't go together,

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<v Speaker 1>but I promise you it does something cool. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>start out with a half ounce of a simple syrup

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<v Speaker 1>or a vanilla syrup. I always like a vanilla for

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<v Speaker 1>something like this. Two tablespoons of egg white, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is where you're gonna be like holly, two ounces of

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<v Speaker 1>pumpkin creamer. Now, I literally bought a creamer from the

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<v Speaker 1>grocery store, like one of those that you put in

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<v Speaker 1>your coffee. If you want to be fancy and make

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<v Speaker 1>your own homemade pumpkin creamer, you can do that by

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<v Speaker 1>combining some pureade pumpkin and some heavy cream and a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of sugar and whatnot. But I just bought

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<v Speaker 1>it off the shell. Food is great. Here's where again

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna get weirder. You're gonna add to this an

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<v Speaker 1>ounce of white rum and then an ounce of absinthe.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I know your brain is going does go together?

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<v Speaker 1>It actually does?

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<v Speaker 2>What and then of course it had this moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Right yeah, licorice pumpkin. I'm telling you you're gonna shake

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<v Speaker 1>this like the Dickens. Now, this isn't the case where,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, often when you have egg white in a drink,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to give that a hard, dry shake on

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<v Speaker 1>its own without ice in it. You don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>do that here because it's not the star of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not trying to like make it that beautiful frothy

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<v Speaker 1>top that sits on a cocktail. You're just giving a

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<v Speaker 1>little more body to the whole thing. So you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to do that step if you want to go crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't have to. But you are gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>this a nice heavy shake. You're gonna strain it over

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<v Speaker 1>fresh ice into like a rock's glass, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like a yummy, delicious winter time creamy drink, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is. You can garnish it with pumpkin pie, spice

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. But what's interesting is you sip it and

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<v Speaker 1>it all goes together. It doesn't fight with each other

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<v Speaker 1>at all, but the finish, you get that licorice note

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<v Speaker 1>and go. Is there absent than this creamy? Which? There

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<v Speaker 1>are creamy drinks with absinth, right, there's a drink called

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<v Speaker 1>an absence sweee, which we may have referenced on the

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<v Speaker 1>show before, which I love. But I just thought combining

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<v Speaker 1>it with pumpkin would do something interesting. And it did

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<v Speaker 1>nothing dangerous to you unless you're allergic to something in here,

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<v Speaker 1>but it does it echoes that whole I thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was getting medicine, and then it was something else. But

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<v Speaker 1>this one is a delightful surprise and not an evil one.

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<v Speaker 1>If you would like to make the mocktail, obviously you

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<v Speaker 1>can use your cream or your egg white and your syrup,

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<v Speaker 1>just as in lieu of white rum and absinthe. What

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<v Speaker 1>I would do is either make an anis or a

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<v Speaker 1>licorice tea and use that in the two ounce amount.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you can do like an anisset syrup and use

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<v Speaker 1>a little like a half ounce of that and then

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<v Speaker 1>do like a really softy like a camo meal or

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<v Speaker 1>something to fill it out. And then you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>a yummy doctor cream's elixir like patent medicine, but this

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<v Speaker 1>one will not hurt you in any way. That is

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<v Speaker 1>our yummy drink for the week. I drank it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I kept drinking it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was yummy.

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<v Speaker 1>I really really liked this one. I was surprised because

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<v Speaker 1>even I was like, am I about to really miss

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<v Speaker 1>this up? Am I gonna have to make a totally

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<v Speaker 1>different drink, And in fact came out great pumpkin creamer. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to start playing with creamers in your

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<v Speaker 1>cream based drinks. If you don't mind the pre made stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>the world is your oyster. They come in all the flavors.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you can chocolate chip creamer if you want. You

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<v Speaker 1>can get pepper mentally popular this time of year. Pumpkin

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<v Speaker 1>pie is really popular this time of year. The sweet

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<v Speaker 1>Italian cream I think would do some really yummy stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and cocktails. Go forth and play. We are so thankful

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<v Speaker 1>that you spent this time with us as we played

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<v Speaker 1>around with history and talked about some grizzly things, but

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<v Speaker 1>also had a yummy drink. We hope you join us

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