1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you should know a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and we're just gonna play 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: a rousing version of Yankee to do Old Landy or 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: something like that in the background of this stirring episode. 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: You got a. 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: Picklo, No, I'm just gonna go like this. I'll record 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: a track of do Do Do Do Do Do Do 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: Do Do Do and we'll play that on a loop 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: underneath us talking. Jerry said she can do it with editning. 12 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: I'm sure this would be an all time great Okay. 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: The reason I want to do that is because as 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: I was reading this, I was what's the word I'm 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: looking for? I'm toying with enthused. That's not it. That 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: sounds like the opposite of how I feel. It is inspiring, 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: but also like, it's just cool that there's this un Well, 18 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: in a way, it's not cool. It's cool to discover 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: this whole group, this whole cadre of inventors that just 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: are overlooked. That's the uncool part. They've been overlooked. For 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: so long. But there's a bunch of women inventors here 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: in America and around the world presumably, but we're just 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: talking about American ones today that really made some amazing contributions, 24 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 2: and especially at first for the first significant amount of time, 25 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: they really had an uphill battle to get their invention 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: like out there because of just how generally mistreated women were. 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, here's a fairly horrifying stat because it was 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: not that long ago, but in the late twentieth century, 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: only about ten percent of all patents were awarded to 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: women and their inventions. And we're going to talk about 31 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: some of the reasons before we get going on highlighting 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: some of these great inventions and some of these great women. 33 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: But one reason is just a lot of times, if 34 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: you were a woman and you had an invention, you 35 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: had to file it at least the patent under your 36 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: husband's name, or your brother's or your father's name, or 37 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: any man in your life that was willing to sign 38 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: on the dotted line saying yeah, that's my idea, because 39 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: you can't. You can't grant intellectual property or a patent 40 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: to my sister or wife or daughter. 41 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, remember in the Widow's episode we talked about coverture, 42 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: which was a woman was either essentially an extension of 43 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: her father while she lived with her parents or her 44 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: husband after she got married and could not she had 45 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: no property rights. If you have no property rights, you 46 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: can't own intellectual property, and therefore you can't have a 47 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: patent on anything, because that, by definition gives you intellectual property. 48 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: And that was a huge deal for a while. In 49 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: addition to that, because women were just generally treated, they 50 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: also didn't have access to schooling or education, especially technical 51 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 2: education that would kind of help those who were already 52 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: inventive by nature to actually like blossom. 53 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what an incentive is there too? If you 54 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: know that you can't get a patent for something, it's 55 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: gonna dull your inspiration to go out and try and 56 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: invent something to begin with, because what's the point. I mean, sure, 57 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: there's a point to inventing things because you might make 58 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: the world better, But I think a lot of the 59 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: drive for invention is also to do with like money, 60 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: having something in your name and making money on it. 61 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, But yeah, having something in your name 62 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: I think is a more sentimental way to put it, 63 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: for sure, But it does deter it, and I'm sure 64 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: that was part of the whole thing. I mean, at 65 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: the very least, women weren't seen as a group that needed, 66 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: that should be encouraged to pursue these kind of things, 67 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: if not actively discouraged, and some women face that. There 68 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: was actually I didn't know about this, but at the 69 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: Seneca Falls convey and then the suffrage movement that followed, 70 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: there were a couple of competing groups that were like, 71 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: we really need to put all of our time and 72 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: effort behind suffrage, like giving women the right to vote. 73 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: That needs to be our focus. We need to say, 74 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: laser focus on that, because that's important. That's the one 75 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: you think of when you think of the women's rights 76 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: movement of the nineteenth century. But there's a other group 77 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: economic feminists that were like, hey, you can have all 78 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: the voting rights you want in the world, but if 79 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: you don't have any means of being self sufficient, if 80 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: you need to be it, it doesn't add up to 81 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: a hill of beans. I think that was their slogan. 82 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a woman named Charlotte Smith who, like 83 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: you said, she was like, you know, if we want 84 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: to make real advances, then how about and she eventually 85 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: came to the invention part of it, but how about 86 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: property rights and intellectual property rights? And then starting in 87 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy five, she really focused in on inventors and 88 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: invention and getting patents and getting the patent Office to 89 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: just simply recognize the fact that women were starting to 90 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: get patents. Was took nine years. It was in I 91 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: believe eighteen seventy nine she moved to DC started hassling 92 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: the Patent Office to say, hey, here's all I want. 93 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: Just give me a list of women inventors period. I 94 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: think it could inspire other women. We could publish it. 95 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: So if you could just put together that list, you 96 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: got the list, put it together for me, and they 97 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: said sure. Nine years later they came back with women 98 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: as well. I think she packaged it, but women inventors 99 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: to whom patents have been granted, And in eighteen eighty 100 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: eight she published it five hundred copies worth, and that 101 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure was a big game changer as far as like, hey, 102 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: look it's happening, it's possible, you can do it. 103 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: Yes, And while that did kind of open up the 104 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: floodgates two women inventors seeing like I can do this, 105 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: there is like a path for me here to take 106 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: toward inventing. There were women who did have patents in 107 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: their name prior to this. It was just extremely rare. 108 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, well there were how many were there? 109 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: Did it? I thought there was a list here? 110 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, the only one that I've come across. I 111 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: never saw the list of women inventors to whom patents 112 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: have been granted, but I did see one. I think 113 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: the first American woman to earn a patent in her 114 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: name was named Mary Dixon keys Ki Ees. 115 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was the first one about ninety years earlier. 116 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: But it supposedly took four clerks ten days to put 117 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: this list together, So you know, it was a great 118 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: thing that Charlotte Smith did. She had a vision that 119 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: this could be a game changer, and it seems like 120 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: it probably was. 121 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. She was like, you can't hide the truth any 122 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: longer with your Walrus mustaches and your arm guarters. Give 123 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: me that list, and they did. 124 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: So should we highlight some of these? These are pretty great? 125 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: Yes? 126 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: All right, Well let's take a break after this first one, 127 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 1: maybe because I want I'm eager to talk about Marie 128 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: Van Britton Brown. She was awesome. She was born in 129 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty two in Jamaica, Queens, New York City, an 130 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: African American woman who worked as a nurse and oftentimes 131 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: was working you know, late night shifts, coming and going 132 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: at odd hours. Her husband, Albert Brown, was an electronics technician. 133 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: He had odd hours of work too, So how that 134 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: shakes out is a lot of times Marie van Britton 135 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: Brown would be at home or come home late at night, 136 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: be a little worried, and you know, what was a 137 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: rough neighborhood at the time as to who may become 138 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: a knocking on her door. So she invented along with 139 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: her husband's help, but it ended up being kind of 140 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: the first closed circuit TV system and home security system 141 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties. 142 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty amazing. It was a bunch of different 143 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: systems that they put together to create this one complete 144 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: system pretty much out of the box. It was like 145 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: a complete security system. But they really had to work 146 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: with a lack of technology at the time, Like there 147 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: was no way to pan the video camera that the 148 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: whole thing was based on. So instead they had four 149 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: separate peopoles and you could raise or lower the camera 150 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: to the correct peopole depending on the height of the 151 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: person on the other side. 152 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: I find that ingenius, great idea, I said, CCTV. So 153 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: there were television monitors. This camera fed into these monitors. 154 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: So the idea is that you didn't actually have to 155 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: go to the door. And even looking through a peepole 156 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: can be dangerous if someone knows you're just on the 157 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: other side of the door at that people, they can 158 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: get you. 159 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: That's what it saysn't the patent application, that's what it said. 160 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: So she had to a remote control that would let 161 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: her unlock the door from a distance away, and an 162 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: emergency button a distance away that would alert the police 163 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: or security in the apartment building. You had these four 164 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: peep holes, this sliding camera, and two way microphones, so 165 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: she could actually say, like who's you know, basically what 166 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: we have now with like ring doorbells and nest doorbells. Yeah, 167 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: she thought of this idea and her husband helped her 168 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: pull it off in nineteen sixty six. 169 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the idea of just how ubiquitous this has become. 170 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: This is like such a commonplace everyday thing now is 171 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: kind of a testament to what she invented because at 172 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: the time This was completely revolutionary. There was nothing like 173 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: this at the time, and she and her husband just 174 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: invented it from whole cloth. And I think they got 175 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: patent number three million, four hundred and eighty two thousand 176 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: and thirty seven. That was the US patent for their 177 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: closed circuit television security system. 178 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: That's right. She also got an award from the National 179 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: Scientist Committee. She was recognized in The Times, the paper 180 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: of record. Sadly she passed away in nineteen ninety nine 181 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: at the age of seventy six. But it was such 182 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: a good idea that thirty two subsequent patent applications referenced 183 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: her original invention and their patent application. So, in other words, 184 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: great idea. 185 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, you want to take that break, now, let's 186 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: do it. Okay, we'll be right back. 187 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: And in things. 188 00:10:37,160 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: Job in job, okay, chuck. So up next, we're going 189 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 2: to talk about a woman named Josephine Cochrane who kind 190 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: of bucked the trend of inventors and was a wealthy 191 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: socialite and supposedly the origin of her invention, the dishwasher, 192 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 2: the first actual useful dishwasher, came from dismay that her 193 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: servants washing her fine china that had been in her 194 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: family since the seventeenth century, that it was getting chipped, 195 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: and so at first she's like, give me that, I'll 196 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 2: do this, And then she was like, oh, doing the 197 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: dishes really sucks. There's got to be a better way. 198 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: And she put it off to the side for a while. 199 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: But then her husband died and left her and her 200 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 2: family in debt, and she decided to bring that idea 201 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: off of the shelf and invent her way out of debt. 202 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what she did. 203 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, you mentioned this was the first sort 204 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: of really practical usable dishwasher. There had been other attempts, 205 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: but you know, there litle clunky literally clunky. They were 206 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: the kind of thing where like you turn a crank 207 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: on the side and the dishes are jumbling around. Yeah, 208 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: well they would break and chip. And she was like, well, listen, 209 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: this is my original problem is that I have chip 210 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: dishes here, So why don't we do something mechanical that 211 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: you don't crank and move those dishes around. She very smartly, 212 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: at least for her, because she was making something for herself. 213 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: She measured her dishes and made sure that each compartment 214 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: fit the dishes very well and stayed in place. Like 215 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: I said, I don't know that she had the idea 216 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: that this is going to be a big mass marketed product. 217 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: Yet she's just trying to solve her problem. And she 218 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: had a motor powered wheel above a boiler spring soapy 219 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: water on dishes and got it patent on December twenty eighth, 220 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty six. 221 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: Yes, kids, you just imagine the person who came over 222 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 2: that hand crank dishwasher demonstrating it, and you can just 223 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: hear all the dish yeah, breaking inside, frank in it. 224 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: They're like, I'm sure they're fine in there. This is 225 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: what it sounds like when they're being washed. 226 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: It rarely happens that way. 227 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 2: So the eighteen ninety three World's Fair in Chicago, the 228 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: White City where the Devil in the White City is set, 229 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 2: that was a huge kind of like introduction of women 230 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: inventors in the United States to the world, and Josephine 231 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: Cochrane was one of them. She debuted her dishwasher at 232 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 2: the eighteen ninety three World's Fair and actually won a 233 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: World's Fair award. So I abbreviated this and I don't 234 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 2: remember exactly how it goes. But it has to do 235 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: with mechanical construction, durability and adapted to its line of work. 236 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 2: Oh great, so she knocked out all four of those boxes. Or, 237 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: to put briefly, best mech construct durable and adapt to 238 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: its line of work. 239 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: End quote looks strange on a trophy. Hey, she earned it. 240 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: She earned it, and this little company that she established 241 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: ended up becoming Kitchen Aid. It was after she died 242 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirteen. But hey, pretty big feather in the 243 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: old burial cap. I guess hotels and restaurants were the 244 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: first ones to use it because even though it was 245 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: super handy as a thing, houses didn't have hot water 246 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: heaters that could kind of sustain that level of output 247 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: at the time, so you had to have these big 248 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: giant bowlers and boilers and hotels and stuff that could 249 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: handle that. But her time would come by the nineteen 250 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: fifties when those hot water heaters got better. The home 251 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: dishwasher became a pretty great thing. And I think anyone 252 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: whoever has lived in a small apartment or his apartment 253 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: searching a dishwasher was always very high at the top 254 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: of my list because she didn't always get them. 255 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so hats off Josephine Cochrane. 256 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: You know you gotta sometimes you run a vacation house. 257 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: They got two of those things. 258 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like two dishwashers, like dish washers. 259 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you were in like a house on the 260 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: beach where you know, they want those houses to sleep 261 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: like twenty people. 262 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 2: Oh I gotcha. 263 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: Sure, they'll have like sometimes two stoves, two dishwashers, or 264 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: two sets of washers and dryers and stuff. It's pretty amazing. 265 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: We got one of those ones that's like one full 266 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: size washer but broken into two drawers so you can 267 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: run your dish dishwasher like pretty frequently. 268 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it. 269 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: It works really well. 270 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 271 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: I like them too, And we can thank Josephine Cochrane 272 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: for that. It's originated that in a pretty direct way. 273 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: I wonder who came up with the drawer style. 274 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just don't know. Yeah, do you 275 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: want me to look it up? 276 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: No, that's okay, okay, kid, because we're gonna talk about diapers, 277 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: right yeah. 278 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: We're gonna move on to an inventor named Marion Donovan 279 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: who has a bunch of inventions to her name, but 280 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: the one that she's most famous for is disposable diapers. 281 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: That's right. You know. A lot of times, necessity is 282 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: a mother of invention. And at the time Mary and 283 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: Donovan was working at home as a homemaker. And this 284 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: is after graduating from college and working for Vogue magazine 285 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: and after inventing things even as a kid. I think 286 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: in elementary school she came up with a toothpowder that 287 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: improved dntal hygiene. So Mary and Donovan just had one 288 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: of those inventor's brains. But while she was working as 289 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: a mom and at home, she was putting her little 290 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: babies down right after she changed that diaper for a 291 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: little nappy time, and that baby would just be so 292 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: happy they would peel over the place. And with those 293 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: cloth diapers at the time that you safety pin, that 294 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: would leak out onto the bed sheets. So now she's 295 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: got a baby or poopy baby, and you've got a 296 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: wet or poopy diaper, and then you have wet or 297 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: poopy sheets, and that is no good. And she said, 298 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: there's got to be a better way. 299 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, And at the time, there were something called rubber 300 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: pants already, which is like a diaper made of really 301 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 2: thick material that didn't breathe, so you would just pee yourself, 302 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: and your neglectful parent would leave you to wallow in 303 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: your own urine and get diaper rash because that stuff 304 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: wouldn't leak out. 305 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 306 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: I think they went over the diaper. It's like a 307 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 3: little pair of pants exactly. Yeah, but it would keep 308 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 3: it would prevent those leaks from happening. But that didn't 309 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 3: mean you didn't still pee yourself, so you would get 310 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: diaper rash as a result. 311 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. I'd probably cut off some circulation to the calf 312 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: and the waistline. 313 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they would take you out in one 314 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: of those death strollers that we were raised in, and 315 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: you'd spend some time on the jungle gym. That was 316 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: also related to death because not only were there like 317 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: rusty edges, there were also hornets nests in the end 318 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: of every single one of those. 319 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: That's right, So all you have to do is not 320 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: vibrate those things in your Fine, this onen't just going 321 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: to stay in place. 322 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you just hang from the monkey bars without moving. 323 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: Dead still like a yet, you'll be fine. So she 324 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: said nuts to all this, ran and grabbed a shower curtain. 325 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: Cut it. Actually two size and was like, this isn't 326 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: just a big pair of rubber pants, and sewed it 327 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: on the outside of the cloth diaper, added some snaps 328 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: so you didn't need those safety pins, and all of 329 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: a sudden you had your cloth diaper that could fit 330 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: inside of a fitted shower curtain. 331 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, I think that's what she started out with, 332 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: was a shower curtain, but she landed ultimately on something 333 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: like nylon parachute material. It could generally keep leaks in, 334 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 2: but it was much more breathable and so this is 335 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: not necessarily the dispoper. This is the thing that led 336 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 2: to the disposable diaper. She marketed and called it boaters. 337 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: To her, they looked like boats. I looked at these things. 338 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 2: I did not see it, but that's what they were called. 339 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: It's a catchy, cute little name. And what it was 340 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: was like an improved rubber pants or rubber like diaper cover, 341 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: because you still use the cloth diaper in there, but 342 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: it would prevent leaks, but it was breathable enough that 343 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 2: it didn't cause diaper rash. So this called the attention 344 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: to a lot of people. Apparently it started being sold 345 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: at sax Fifth Avenue in nineteen forty nine, and the 346 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: Kiko Corporation came and knocking and said, we'll give you 347 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: one million dollars for this idea. And Marion just laughed 348 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: all the way to the bank. 349 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, because she said, you know what, that's nineteen forty nine, 350 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: and these two dopes podcast about me in twenty twenty 351 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: four h ask me like thirteen million bucks. 352 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is pretty sweet for Yeah, a woman who 353 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: just invented something out of necessity. 354 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it meant she was ra immediately. She 355 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: got a patent for those boaters nineteen fifty one, and 356 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: then went to work on what you were talking about, 357 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: the disposable paper diaper, and did that and it worked 358 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: pretty well, but it wasn't a big commercial success because 359 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: the diaper industry didn't get behind it. They were like, hey, 360 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, this is pretty good, but all that really 361 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: is doing is keeping you from having to wash cloth 362 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: diapers over and over, and we don't see the value 363 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: in that. 364 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 2: Right, It's an unnecessary convenience. 365 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: Nih get back to work exactly. 366 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: It took ten years then finally Procter and Gamble saw 367 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: the usefulness in this and came up with Pampers and 368 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 2: the landfills of the world just shuddered in expectation. 369 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: That's right. 370 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: Some other I said that Mary and Donovan also invented 371 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 2: some other stuff too. She invented something called the Zippity 372 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: do you very cool? Very cool? So it's like an 373 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: elastic extension that you put onto a zipper so that 374 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: you can zip your own dress much more easily. Yeah, 375 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: there's also something called the Big hang Up. 376 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: I love that. 377 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: It came out in the late sixties or seventies, based 378 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 2: on the font used in the advertisement. But it essentially 379 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 2: took your clothes and turned them the opposite way that 380 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: you would normally hang them from a hanger. So you 381 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 2: would hang it at like a rack from the what 382 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 2: is the thing that you hang the hangers on in 383 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: a closet, the rail, the pole, rod, the rod, thank you, 384 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: And you would take those clothes and turn them the 385 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 2: opposite way so you could fit more clothes front to 386 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: back and side to side. It was an enormous space 387 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 2: saving measure. 388 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was basically a grid, like a 389 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: metal grid, and you could hang anything. So it used 390 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: paper or not paper clips, clothes pins, right, so you 391 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: could hang your belts, you could hang a hat, you 392 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: could hang a pair of boots, You could hang whatever 393 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: you wanted, what else, and more lots of things. But 394 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: the point is this one grid could hold like four 395 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: pair of pants, two pair of boots, seven belts. 396 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: You sure you can hold a pair of boots up 397 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: with some clothes pins, That's what he had said, all right, 398 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: They must have been lightweight boots back then. Like maybe 399 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: they're talking about like Aladdin shoes. 400 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think it speaks to the clothespins too. 401 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: Sure they're not like these woke clothes bends these days. 402 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: So one other thing about Mary and Donovan, if you 403 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: weren't already spitting with her enough. At forty one, she 404 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: went back to school and received a degree in architecture 405 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: from Yale and then used it to design her own 406 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: house in Connecticut. 407 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: Amazing, agreed, Should we take another break? 408 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's time. 409 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna come back and talk about grocery 410 00:22:37,200 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: sacks right after this and things jogging job. All right, 411 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: we promised talk of grocery sacks. And you might be thinking, well, 412 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: did someone invent the grocery sack? And was that person 413 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: a woman? And why is that a big deal? Because 414 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: it's just a bag. No, that's not what we're going 415 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: to tell you. We're going to tell you what a 416 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: historian named Henry Petrowski told you in an article called 417 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: the Evolution of the Grocery Bag. And a woman named 418 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: Margaret Knight, who was another one of these kids who 419 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: was inventing things from a very very preteen age. 420 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, she got a job at twelve at a or 421 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 2: fabric factory, textile mill, that's what they call it, yeah, 422 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 2: cotton mill. And when you're using when you're weaving using 423 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: a loom in an industrial setting, there's these little torpedo, 424 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: heavy wooden torpedo things with the steel tip on the 425 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: end that you use to basically separate the fibers as 426 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: you're weaving. And the whole thing moves very fast, and 427 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: if you lose your grip on it, that thing that 428 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: is called a shuttle can go flying and injure your 429 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 2: neighbor at the next loom. Right. So Marion Knight got 430 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 2: a job at one of these mills, saw this, that 431 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 2: how dangerous this could be, and before she turned thirteen, 432 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: invented a way to prevent steel tip flying shuttles from 433 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 2: flying off of the loom and injuring somebody that became 434 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 2: distributed industry wide at all textile mills, that became like 435 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: a standard part of any loom. She wasn't even thirteen yet. 436 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, also preteen. The age of twelve, she got a 437 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: patent for a device that automatically just stops an industrial 438 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: machine if something gets caught up in it. So I 439 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: mean that every industrial machine on the planet now stops. 440 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: When your arm gets caught or when something goes wrong, 441 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: something gets caught in the machinery, they all stop. And 442 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: that is because of Margaret Knight. Yep. 443 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: So we finally, after years and years of this of 444 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: coming up with great ideas and implementing them, she's like, 445 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: I just starting to look into patenting these things. And 446 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 2: she got a job ultimately at Columbia Paper Bag Company 447 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: in Springfield, Massachusetts, and this is where her greatest patent 448 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: came along. There were paper grocery sacks already, but they 449 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: were kind of envelope like they didn't do the job 450 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 2: very well. Like you know when you buy a greeting 451 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: card and they put it in that bag that doesn't 452 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 2: really do anything. It's just an envelope. It's like a 453 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 2: cover for your greeting card to go home with. 454 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you know what I'm talking about. 455 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: Sure, Okay, that's what grocery bags were, like paper grocery bags. 456 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: And she said, we can do way better than this. 457 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: If we just make a square bottom grocery sack, it'll 458 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 2: stand up on its own and as you put stuff 459 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: into it, the weight will be distributed and you can 460 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 2: carry so much more stuff. 461 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, people were putting can goods in basically envelopes, like 462 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: total morons, Like total morons. She came along and not 463 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: only figured out that that was a good idea, figured 464 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: out how to do it. In eighteen seventy, she built 465 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: a wooden machine that would cut in, glue, fold and 466 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: glue these things and manufacture them. She was working on 467 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: a heavier duty or prototype made out of iron, and 468 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: some jerk comes along and bald face steals her idea. 469 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: Like he had seen this thing before. His name was 470 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: Charles Annon ann An, and he had seen it a 471 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: few months earlier, went to file a patent. She filed 472 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: a claim against him, a patent interference suit, and he 473 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: was like, there's no way that this lady came up 474 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: with this thing. And she came into court with just 475 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: reams of the most detailed blueprints and spelled out exactly 476 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: how and when she invented it, and they went, you're wrong, 477 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: and she's right, buddy, Yeah. 478 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 2: That thieve and sob Charles Ann and I couldn't see 479 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 2: anything about what became of him aside from losing that 480 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 2: patent suit and something he should have gotten some sort 481 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: of come up, and he shouldn't have just been let 482 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 2: off the hook for, like you said, bald faced, stealing 483 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: an idea or an invention that shouldn't be unpunished, you know. 484 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: But I guess we'll have to go dig them up 485 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: and have a talking to you with them. That's the 486 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: best we can hope for at this time. 487 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: We can besmirch his name, I guess. 488 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: I guess we kind of are, but we're not besmirching. 489 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: I think besmirching indicates a certain level of like exaggeration 490 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 2: or you know, Oh okay, that's just my interpretation. I 491 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 2: don't know if it's correct or not. 492 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: I've never read the definition, so you're probably right. 493 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 2: So she won that patent claim and won of the 494 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: device the patent for the device in eighteen seventy one, 495 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 2: and went on to be awarded more than twenty patents 496 00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: in her lifetime. 497 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: Amazing again. 498 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, way to go, Margaret night boo, Charles Ann and booooooo. 499 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: So let's move on to the windshield wiper because this 500 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 1: is a pretty fun one. It was a woman from Alabama. 501 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: Her name was Mary Anderson born in eighteen sixty six, 502 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: a long long time ago, long before the car came along. 503 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: She was visiting New York City and she was on 504 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: the I guess they were street cars, and she's like, 505 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: these guys are driving around in rain and snow with 506 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: their head out the side window because they can't see. 507 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: They looked like a Sventura pet detective and. 508 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 2: They would have to stop and get out and wipe 509 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: the snow off of the trolley windshield like every so often. 510 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: That was part of the trip, That was part of 511 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: driving a trolley at the time. And she said, there 512 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: has to be a better way. So she took this 513 00:28:54,040 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: experience back to Alabama and she invented the first windshield wiper. Essentially. 514 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: It was pretty clever as a matter of fact. 515 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, this thing wipe's windshields. I just don't 516 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: know what to call it. 517 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: So there was a spindle, right, so like kind of 518 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: like a spool, but with a point on it sticking 519 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: out of the windshield and attached to it was an 520 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: arm with a squeegee on it, and the other side 521 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: of the spindle that went into the car was attached 522 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: to a cord that had a handle in the car, 523 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: and when you pulled the handle, it operated the spring 524 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: mechanism that made that windshield wiper go back and forth 525 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 2: and it would reset and then the next time you 526 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: needed to clear off your windshields, you just pulled it. 527 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 2: No stopping, no getting out, no sticking your head out 528 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: of the car, like ace Ventura. It could all be 529 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 2: done within the car, and in I think very short order. 530 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: Cadillac I think ten years after she got the patent 531 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: for this, Cadillac started making wind shild wiper standard on 532 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 2: their cars starting in nineteen twenty two. So that was 533 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: all Mary Anderson. 534 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it was more like twenty years, but still 535 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: it was the first. It was the first thing to 536 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: roll off the line. Is something you didn't have to 537 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: ask for. What do you call those options? 538 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't an option, it was standard. That's nineteen 539 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: years later. Uh. 540 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: And she also would go on to build and manage 541 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: an apartment building in Birmingham, made some good money doing that, 542 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: and said, I'm going to California, And she went out 543 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 1: to Fresno and operated a cattle ranch at a vineyard, yes, 544 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: in her later years. 545 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, though, on the way out there, she got a 546 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: punch in the nose and it started to flow. She 547 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: thought for a second that she might be sinking, but 548 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: she made it out. Okay, Oh man, it's on the 549 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: tip of my tongue. 550 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: Uh, led up one. Okay. It was one of those. 551 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: It was like it was rattling in my head and 552 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: I heard it and I heard it. Oh God, that's 553 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: frustrating when those never come, you know, I'm glad that 554 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: it came. Then I just saw this, uh this weather 555 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: person who does the weather on the news. Sure, and 556 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: I guess is a Pearl Jam fan and inserts Pearl 557 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: Jam lyrics into his weather report. Oh yeah, on the 558 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: rag it was pretty fun. 559 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: What news national? 560 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: Local? I think it was a local news. I didn't 561 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: catch the city. I mean maybe Seattle. 562 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: Oh gotcha. So you saw this on like like the internet. 563 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was on the internet. I wasn't just 564 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: watching the news. 565 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: I didn't know if you were like talking about in 566 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: Atlanta news person, I'm like, why aren't you telling everybody who. 567 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I don't. As we know, I 568 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: don't watch the local news. But what I do enjoy 569 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: occasionally on tour is watching local news wherever I am, 570 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: if it happens to be on Sure, I don't seek 571 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: it out, but it's kind of fun when you hear about. 572 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: Car work going on nearby. 573 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: Exactly a car rick in Boston. Very fascinating, right, everyone 574 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: was okay. 575 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: Though, That's good. That's usually how it pans out on 576 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: the news. 577 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: Can we talk about car heaters? 578 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, Chuck, I think this might be the last one, right, 579 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: I think? So, okay, Well, let's talk car heaters because 580 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: Margaret Wilcox Margaret A. Wilcox, my apologies, invented the car 581 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 2: heater as you know it today, the car heater decades 582 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: before there was such a thing as cars. W Yeah, 583 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: she invented the car heater for railway cars. Because when 584 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 2: she came along and reached I think her late twenties 585 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: has sort of been the eighteen fifties eighteen sixties, rail 586 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 2: travel was still pretty no frills for most people. Like 587 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: you see that one railcar that the millionaire has, and 588 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 2: it's like all outfitted and beautiful, like velvet and there's 589 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 2: oil lamps and everything. Most people's experience was nothing like that. 590 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 2: And in fact, especially during cold like cold months and 591 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: cold climates, you would be freezing in the railway car. 592 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: And Margaret Wilcox went stood up and said, enough enough 593 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 2: of being cold. Let's get warm everybody. And they said, 594 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 2: invent it, Margaret, and she said I will, I'll be 595 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 2: right back. 596 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: They said, what is warm? Even we forgot this is 597 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: in Chicago, So you know, she had plenty of experience 598 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: in the cold. 599 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: I cannot imagine how cold it was. 600 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean it's like now, but maybe colder. 601 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: With no break, no heat, you just stayed cold. 602 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean people's roofs collapse in Chicago in the 603 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 2: winter because it gets so snowy, and that would indicate 604 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 2: it gets pretty cold. 605 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. So she's like, hold on a minute, I 606 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: know that they're shoveling coal up there. Those guys are 607 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: sweating up there in the engine room where freezing er 608 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: took us off back here? What do we gotta do 609 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: to get some of that heat back here? And shockingly, 610 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: no one had ever thought of that the fact that 611 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: there was heat on board that train in Spain, and 612 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: all you had to do was send it back to 613 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: the what do you call them passenger cars. 614 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's essentially what she did. She figured out 615 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: how to pipe engine heat back to the passengers. There 616 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: were some problems with this invention the train car heater. 617 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 2: One was there was no way whatsoever to regulate this heat. 618 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I imagine you could open the windows when 619 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 2: you needed to, but it would just get hotter and 620 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 2: hotter and hotter in the rail car. And that was 621 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 2: kind of a problem, but I think it was still 622 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 2: preferable to the cold. 623 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now is where I introduce you to my 624 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: first car as a sixteen year old. Talked about it 625 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: before nineteen sixty eight, Volkswagen Beatle. Sure, and if you 626 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: ever run those old volkswagens, you know they had heat 627 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: that I like to refer to as the ankle burners. 628 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 2: I remember that. 629 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: Same concept as Margaret Wilcox's heat idea. H those Oldvw's 630 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: would just pump heat straight from that rear engine out 631 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: these little vents on the floorboard right by your ankles. 632 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: And there was at least in the sixty eight that 633 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: I had. There was no way of regulating it. I 634 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: think at a seventy five later on that had like 635 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: a little lever that you could, you know, bring in 636 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: a little bit of the cool air too. 637 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 2: It just opened the passenger door. 638 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. But I had a hole in my floorboard too, 639 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: so that up that. 640 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you said that, and I'm sure when 641 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 2: you've told me that before, I told you that my 642 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 2: dad had a hole in his floorboard of his Malibu 643 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: when we were kids. 644 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: So right, less just sit there and watch the world 645 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: go by under your face, right. 646 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 2: So, Uh. Margaret Wilcox's idea was implemented in train cars 647 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 2: more importantly when automobile engineers came along and started inclosing cars, 648 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 2: because you know, the first cars were all open, there 649 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 2: was no roof. Yeah, as they started doing close them, 650 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 2: they're like, we could control the climate in here. We 651 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 2: need some sort of climate control mechanism. And they looked 652 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 2: around and they found Margaret Wilcox's patent for transmitting engine 653 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,399 Speaker 2: heat to the passenger compartment. And over time they kind 654 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 2: of refined it and it got more and more advanced 655 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 2: to where now there's hot coolant that's heated by the 656 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 2: engine that transfers that heat to the cabin air when 657 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 2: you turn the heat on. Even more amazingly, you can 658 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: you can adjust the heat the temperature by letting in 659 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 2: colder outside air without even opening your windows. 660 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: That's right, And she got a patent for this thing. 661 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: Eighteen ninety three. She received a patent. Obviously, there were 662 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: women were able to get patents by that point, and 663 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: she was on a pretty short list. 664 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: At least one hundred. 665 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: Was there a hundred? Yeah? 666 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 2: Remember one hundred women? Who had the list of one 667 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 2: hundred women who were inventors that had patents that the Patent. 668 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: Office created, and it called one hundred women. 669 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 2: I guess not. No, you're right, I wonder what the 670 00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 2: list was. 671 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: I gotta get that list. 672 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 2: I mean, it had to be decent size. It took 673 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 2: four clerks ten days to compile the list. 674 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: But they had to go through all the patents period though, 675 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: to get that list. So yeah, yeah, who knows, I 676 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: don't know. 677 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 2: Well, anyway, she was on that list eventually, that's right. 678 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 2: Or actually that's not even true either. The list came 679 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 2: out a couple of years before she got her patent, 680 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 2: five years before, so it's completely moot. But there is 681 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 2: one other mention about her too that I love. She 682 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 2: had some other ideas that she patented, unfortunately not in 683 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 2: her name, because this was before women could have had 684 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 2: property rights for a combination clothes dishwasher. 685 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,919 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know if. 686 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: It's the same time. Maybe the same time. If so, 687 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 2: there's really gross. Yeah, but it's still also very clever. 688 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, you don't want your you don't want your 689 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: champagne glass being watched next to your bloomers. 690 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 2: No, especially if they're so because you drank too much champagne. 691 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, you got anything else? 692 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: I got nothing else? 693 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 2: Are you sure? 694 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? 695 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, since Chuck affirmed that he has nothing else, 696 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 2: I think everybody, it's time for listener man, I'm. 697 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: Gonna call this misunderstanding from episode titles. Okay, And I 698 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: should say that we had a wonderful young woman in 699 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: maybe DC. I think it was DC that said that 700 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: she was a bird enthusiast and that she was all 701 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: excited about the Cranes episode and then realized it was 702 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: construction Cranes. That's why we've titled things like our Nirvana episode. 703 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: I think it was Nirvana, not the band sure, so 704 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: we do stuff like that. We try to be clear, 705 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: but not always. 706 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 2: Sometimes we're purposely obtuse. 707 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, because like you might want the bird crane and 708 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: then be delightfully surprised or disappointed, right exactly. Hey guys, 709 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: I'm in and out, but og all the time. Stuff 710 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: you should know has stayed with me as a weekly 711 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: listen ever since I heard the Jellyfish app. I consider 712 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 1: myself well versed in the English language and American pop culture, 713 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: but every now and then, titles of the episode set 714 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: me up for quite the surprise. I should probably read 715 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: the descriptions for the episodes, yes, but I'm going to 716 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: listen regardless of what's the point. For example, Hobo Signs, 717 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 1: I thought it was about handwritten signs that hitchhikers make, 718 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: or someone saying will work for food, or the end 719 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: is messed what I think it was probably supposed to 720 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: be the end is near. 721 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was some weird a auto correct. 722 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: I like the end is mess though, IM gont it? 723 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: That should be a T shirt? Sure, I like that 724 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: to my delight as a ux designer. It was about 725 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 1: iconography and communication even better than those cardboard signs. The 726 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: last episode about conductors. I know what's coming. I thought 727 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: it was about train conductors, and the tagline what the 728 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: heck is going on there was referring to their mindset 729 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: when they're patrolling in the aisle and train station, like 730 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: an American equivalent of the British what's all this? Then? 731 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 1: I was also hoping that it was not about electric 732 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: conductors because I really wanted a train episode. Turned out 733 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 1: I was wrong once. Thanks for all the great knowledge 734 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 1: that is from Morton Laggerud in Norway. 735 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,839 Speaker 2: Great name, Morton, Thank you for listening to us all 736 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 2: these years. Yeah. 737 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: Have we done one on just trains? 738 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, that seems like a big, 739 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 2: big one. 740 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah that's a big asmr sid too. 741 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,240 Speaker 2: Oh sorry everybody hopefully Mesiphonia side. 742 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. 743 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we could try to do one on train. 744 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 2: Sometimes we just have to figure out how to condense it. 745 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 2: Can't get into electric trains, I'll tell you that, by God, 746 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 2: no way. 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