Speaker 1: It's the Boulet cav podcast. Yeah, bit you welcome that
Speaker 1: Tony track bee god for said man. All right, well, listen,
Speaker 1: I want to shout out to Troy Ave. Dope boy.
Speaker 1: Troy was on the podcast. I've known Troy very very well.
Speaker 1: Him and I been. Uh we're not as close as
Speaker 1: we were, that's for sure, but uh, you know, for
Speaker 1: for a time there, me and Troy were really locked
Speaker 1: in for some years. Shout out to Troy Ave had
Speaker 1: him come on the podcast. Talked about some of the
Speaker 1: things that you know, you've been heavily criticized about for
Speaker 1: a while. Definitely stayed away from too much of the
Speaker 1: open case talk. You'll notice he went to another podcast
Speaker 1: and really talked about that shit. I was I want
Speaker 1: no part of that talk. Stayed away from the tax
Speaker 1: stone talk and want no part of that talk. But
Speaker 1: talked about like some of the issues he's had with
Speaker 1: his old management, whether or not he regrets dissing capital
Speaker 1: st z rip uh, and just what he's got going
Speaker 1: on right now. So Dope conversation with Troy av shots
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Speaker 1: the Troy av Interview Bootleg cap Podcast special guests My guy,
Speaker 1: dope boy, Troy Troy Chilly Man. You'll tell you it's
Speaker 1: a v Yes, sir man, how you been, bro? I'm blessed, Bro,
Speaker 1: God is good in the paper shape. I'm really blessed.
Speaker 1: I can't front besides the fact that I fucking might
Speaker 1: have left on my jury and airport, I'm really good.
Speaker 1: And it looks like you still have a lot of
Speaker 1: jewelry on right now. But I mean it is, but
Speaker 1: it ain't like I had like everything. I had my
Speaker 1: big beers, we chained. I had my fucking you left
Speaker 1: that on the plane. I left me. When I got
Speaker 1: over the plane, I went to put my hoodie on,
Speaker 1: and I took I took the hoodie out and I
Speaker 1: had to take it out to get to my hoodie.
Speaker 1: Oh hell no, I'm just like, I'm fucking stressed. How
Speaker 1: much money potentially could you have lost if no one
Speaker 1: turned that in? Oh my gosh, bro I didn't even
Speaker 1: want to begin to count. But one of the changes
Speaker 1: is the big new bus down that I bought is
Speaker 1: like fifty five piece, twenty five another forty sixty five
Speaker 1: honey something. Then I had some rings, then I had
Speaker 1: some bracelets. Oh my god, why travel? Why travel with
Speaker 1: all of that? Though? I got a fucking video shoots,
Speaker 1: oh videos Like I'm not just like, I'm not like
Speaker 1: the president. I don't walk around wearing Joey over the
Speaker 1: time for no reason. That sh is like I don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck about jury. But like I was gonna
Speaker 1: be having a video, I gotta go. I'm hosting a party,
Speaker 1: just ship like that, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: it's fun. This shit sucks. I'm like, well hopefully hopefully,
Speaker 1: I mean whatever. At the end of the day, it's
Speaker 1: just money. Long as you got your health, it's whatever.
Speaker 1: They get it back tenfold, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like I'm I'm tripping a body now, like fuck,
Speaker 1: because it's happening right now. Maybe I'm a God loved me.
Speaker 1: Literally just happened. Literally just happened, putting on a fucking
Speaker 1: hoodie because it was cold and and ship. But I'm
Speaker 1: just like, fuck, I don't know minutes it should be good.
Speaker 1: God loved me should always seem to work out for me.
Speaker 1: So that is true. Man, what have you been up to?
Speaker 1: I know you've ben dropping music, but like, just tell
Speaker 1: me what new album, new album out? God is great
Speaker 1: the paper new album out right now. It's doing very well,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It was charted number one independent,
Speaker 1: number four for just hip hop overall. I didn't drop
Speaker 1: White Christmas this year, but I'm actually gonna I turn
Speaker 1: whenever I would do White Christmas year. Yeah crazy remember
Speaker 1: the first one? You feel me? Yeah, So like we
Speaker 1: on now now. But it just always felt like it
Speaker 1: felt old to me when I would do promoting a
Speaker 1: project in January, that's Christmas February, you feel me. So
Speaker 1: what I did now was I turned White Christmas into
Speaker 1: it's gonna be called like the twenty twenty two season,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like I went close. When you now,
Speaker 1: when you're in the NBA or whatever and you start
Speaker 1: talking about your new season, things you about to do,
Speaker 1: new Year's resolutions, just getting to it, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, new plans, different shit like that. But
Speaker 1: that's all my people. That's that's go getters and hustlers
Speaker 1: like me, and they just gonna get to it. Yo,
Speaker 1: this is our new season. This is what we're doing
Speaker 1: right now, and that'll take over as White Christmas. It'll
Speaker 1: come out in December. This one is gonna come out
Speaker 1: in January, but it'd come out every December and just
Speaker 1: you know, I'll say a prayer blessed people, and we
Speaker 1: just go from there. So the twenty twenty two season
Speaker 1: is a new project that's coming down. I feel like you, like,
Speaker 1: still been putting out music, still been active, but I
Speaker 1: feel like music hasn't really been like your focal point
Speaker 1: in life. For a while, as far as like it's
Speaker 1: there because you're putting it out, but as far as
Speaker 1: like I feel like you're not really interested in being
Speaker 1: a part of the rap game anymore, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I got a big single called The weather Man out
Speaker 1: that's been getting good traction, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They playing it old on it on the East Coast
Speaker 1: a lot. On I noticed like recently, you're like starting
Speaker 1: to dip your toe back into like you know, doing shit,
Speaker 1: doing shit that. Like you know, I've been rapper shit
Speaker 1: kel I really ain't. I really like music. Wasn't never
Speaker 1: like my only focal point, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because like I was always been independent, so I never
Speaker 1: really liked I never really liked trusting in it one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, you feel me. So I always was doing
Speaker 1: other businesses, Like anytime I got first rap money, I
Speaker 1: started like buying real real estate and shit like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just in case, because life is full of disappointments, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But if you're prepare it for it,
Speaker 1: then it's just a disappointment could turn into a lesson.
Speaker 1: So I always never liked being on it on it
Speaker 1: like that, but like, you know, it's just happened to
Speaker 1: be something I'm good at, and it was in It's
Speaker 1: another hustle way to get money. If I could, If
Speaker 1: I could sell bottles of water and make as much
Speaker 1: money and get up whenever I went, I wouldn't do music.
Speaker 1: I sell bottles of water. So, like, I definitely got
Speaker 1: a bunch of different other business interests or whatever. And
Speaker 1: by the grace of God, this ship been working out. Man.
Speaker 1: So what is like your biggest piece of the pie
Speaker 1: as far as like your income, is it the real estate?
Speaker 1: May I broke? Baby? Don't do me like that. No. Oh,
Speaker 1: as far as like I don't tell how much? You
Speaker 1: tell me where you're getting the most money in twenty
Speaker 1: I give money from different different things. I got. I
Speaker 1: got cargo Van's, I got old, I got merchandise. The
Speaker 1: merchandise is crazy, got his great taper shape. The merch
Speaker 1: game is nuts. Like you say a lot of merch man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I say a lot of merch make a lot. You've
Speaker 1: always been been pretty big on the merch Yeah. Before
Speaker 1: it was like a thing, right, But now I got
Speaker 1: the hang of the hang of it. Before it was
Speaker 1: like freestyling, just figuring it out a little bit. But
Speaker 1: now it's like you gotta think, if say is like
Speaker 1: a couple of people in his room, if everybody bothers
Speaker 1: my album for ten dollars, that'll only be sixty bucks
Speaker 1: or whatever you said for sixty dollars. Oh, I sell
Speaker 1: hats for two fifty, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: people go people, I just I just feel a one
Speaker 1: thousand dollars order. People get fifteen worth shit. They just
Speaker 1: buy mad shit, you know what I'm saying. That's even
Speaker 1: better than sometimes somebody come to see you and pay
Speaker 1: fifty dollars at the show, and then that shit lasts
Speaker 1: with them, you know what I mean. So like the
Speaker 1: music is a gateway to connect with your people, and
Speaker 1: then it's like they want to get more and more.
Speaker 1: So I sell fucking aprons, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: for people cooking during the holidays or every day, like
Speaker 1: I'm about to sell candles and no kind of ship.
Speaker 1: I got old kind of shit I'm doing. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm writing a movie. I'm gonna sell movies like okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just been staying busy man, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you think, Like Jerry got me pissed. Bro.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, this is whack. You gotta got an update. No,
Speaker 1: we wait, it's gonna happen. We get an updated, Jerry,
Speaker 1: that's a mission back to that airport too, fucking man. Whatever, Man,
Speaker 1: it's gonna work out. Y'all gotta go back there. We
Speaker 1: gotta go back right like you got it. It's like
Speaker 1: when your call get told you had your car told
Speaker 1: you go at the empty spot. I have my car
Speaker 1: toad three times last month, Bro, that's why because where
Speaker 1: I live. Oh, you didn't learn from see. I used
Speaker 1: to always get my shit told. I like needed to
Speaker 1: have it so passed, and like I be, you violated
Speaker 1: to make sure to happen, and you just did it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just like many Well, they had like swapped
Speaker 1: out the security. The old security was cool, they didn't
Speaker 1: give a fuck. Then they hired a new company and
Speaker 1: they just kept holling. My sh I was so high.
Speaker 1: I go. You just get comfortable with breaking the rules
Speaker 1: and it just keeps going. I know how to fuck
Speaker 1: it goes eight hundred later, three three trips to an
Speaker 1: en pounds. That's nuts. And my wife pissed of course, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he just waste some money. That shit just flushed
Speaker 1: down the totally what to get your call back? That's crazy. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Just in general though, like I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, like I'm going if you're very
Speaker 1: active on social media. Yeah, you were doing the podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're still doing it. I know
Speaker 1: you're not doing it as often as you were doing it.
Speaker 1: That was like a pandemic thing, you know. We okay,
Speaker 1: we found time to do a lot of shit during
Speaker 1: the pandemic and it was good. It's so like I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know me, you know, I like to fuck with
Speaker 1: people who are fucked with and like I really fuck
Speaker 1: with my supporters and my fans, Like I really if
Speaker 1: you take time to spend some money with me some
Speaker 1: type of way when you don't have to. I really
Speaker 1: showed genuine love. So instead of people ask me about
Speaker 1: what I feel about this, so that through a DM
Speaker 1: or whatever I sell, just put it out. You can
Speaker 1: ask me questions, I'll turn into a podcast. But like
Speaker 1: once outside open back up, then you know, like the
Speaker 1: rest of real life start happening and ship, So you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I got to take my kids
Speaker 1: to school instead of on a fucking tablet. So like
Speaker 1: I got ship to do, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And it was just a lot, but I'm definitely gonna
Speaker 1: start jump starting it again because I've been in talks
Speaker 1: with a company to have my ship like aired on
Speaker 1: a on a on a on a platform, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and where I don't have to do
Speaker 1: Like you see, you got a production team. I got
Speaker 1: that ship, like I got that broad caster, I got
Speaker 1: the it's me, it's me recording it, it's me editing it.
Speaker 1: Like that ship is a lot, you feel me? So
Speaker 1: like now like you got the two cameras, I had
Speaker 1: a fun you got three cameras. I had two cameras,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, it switch it back and forths
Speaker 1: too much. I made it one camera, so like when
Speaker 1: you gotta do a lot of that ship is just
Speaker 1: like you, I could be doing other ship with my
Speaker 1: time to like because with me, tom is really money,
Speaker 1: you feel me, So we spend I spent my time
Speaker 1: doing this, I could be taking it and doing other shit,
Speaker 1: getting to a different bag. So that's why I was
Speaker 1: at That's why I'm at with it right now. Talk
Speaker 1: to me about like you know, there was like a
Speaker 1: point in time where twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, you're the
Speaker 1: hottest shit moving in New York, like, uh, everyone and
Speaker 1: their moms offering you record deals. Was I know that
Speaker 1: there was a lot of money on the table. They
Speaker 1: wasn't good. I'm gonna let you. I just mean, like
Speaker 1: I remember, like you know, talking to whole Vane back
Speaker 1: then and be like, man, everyone's trying to sign us
Speaker 1: right now, but we need this to even like think
Speaker 1: about doing it. They were. They were trying to sign
Speaker 1: us on some some homeboys shit, like trying to sign
Speaker 1: us for free like grand So I thought that might
Speaker 1: have happened, Like how you know it didn't? That didn't.
Speaker 1: It was like I told tivy'all want two million dollars.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He said, what you want
Speaker 1: someone too millny dollars And he was trying to give
Speaker 1: me like less and then saying, you know, let's go
Speaker 1: to the label and get I'm like, and you you
Speaker 1: got it, just give it to me. So I would
Speaker 1: do if I want a artist, I'm just give them
Speaker 1: the bread. So like I always believe in myself and
Speaker 1: I never want to be tied down and restraints saying,
Speaker 1: you know, like the worst fear or like just growing
Speaker 1: up seeing people on music getting signed and getting shelfed,
Speaker 1: and he just boxed in. So I would never, like,
Speaker 1: I always a bet on myself, Like man, unless it's
Speaker 1: something crazy like that, I don't million dollars. It feel
Speaker 1: me like I didn't have two million dollars at the time.
Speaker 1: I had hundreds of thousands of dollars. So you can't
Speaker 1: offer me hundreds of thousands because I already got it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So unless somebody make you
Speaker 1: like the Mob, I'm gonna make you a deal. You
Speaker 1: can't refuse that. I was like, yo, two million dollars
Speaker 1: because I know I never go broke again if you
Speaker 1: give me that. If you're turned two to ten, you
Speaker 1: felt exactly. That's why I knew, Yo, if I got
Speaker 1: that Freshman cover, I was gonna make a million dollars
Speaker 1: and I'll take it to the top. But I know
Speaker 1: if you get two million dollars in life and you're hustler,
Speaker 1: you'll never go broke again. But you know he didn't,
Speaker 1: uh whatever reason that that didn't happen, And like I
Speaker 1: was just I wasn't never signed off for no shit
Speaker 1: that I didn't that I had already. It made no
Speaker 1: sense because I knew I would work. I knew I
Speaker 1: would make myself get get my own opportunities. And you know,
Speaker 1: like even like all I wanted out of rap was
Speaker 1: I wanted a building, I wanted a Ferrari, and I
Speaker 1: wanted a goal a gold record, and I fucking got
Speaker 1: all three of those. Yeah, that's crazy. That's all I
Speaker 1: ever wanted out of out of music. The gold record
Speaker 1: came like like I wanted to after but I got.
Speaker 1: She belonged to the game, right, she belongs to the
Speaker 1: Games on his way to platinum. That's crazy, straight up,
Speaker 1: like really independent, you know what I'm saying? What was
Speaker 1: like the situation that you were closest to like signing
Speaker 1: with and that during that time everyone was everyone was
Speaker 1: trying to sign you, bro, like everybody they would if
Speaker 1: you I feel like, if you're trying to sound somebody,
Speaker 1: I feel like if you capture, if you really chunk
Speaker 1: as well, if you really trying to sound somebody, just
Speaker 1: give them what they want. Man, you feel me so
Speaker 1: like I want to say, it wasn't no situation. I
Speaker 1: like to if, like with all artists, just know who
Speaker 1: you getting in bed with. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I'm saying with anybody, just don't be so quick
Speaker 1: to be like, yo, yeah, I hold lot, I want
Speaker 1: to sign. I want to just now, just make sure
Speaker 1: that you know you're gonna get everything that you want
Speaker 1: or it's not worth it if you're a real hustler,
Speaker 1: and like if you this is what I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I understand when people talk a bunch of goot money
Speaker 1: ship and they music, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: then they turn around and they signed to somebody and
Speaker 1: then they rely on that person to give them everything
Speaker 1: to come up or you know what I'm saying, That
Speaker 1: happens a lot because then it's like you're not really
Speaker 1: a hustler or everything you talking about was cap or
Speaker 1: if you sign to somebody and then you don't and
Speaker 1: then in turn you sound for like you sound for peanuts.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna sound for peanuts, make sure you're
Speaker 1: getting a bunch of shit on the back end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta have actually like good structure dealer, because you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have to whatever you get signed for,
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay it. You're gonna have to pay that
Speaker 1: money back. I knew I was gonna make whatever money
Speaker 1: back because all my projects is always in the black,
Speaker 1: no matter what I got my in house production, I
Speaker 1: produce a right, I record do all my shit. So
Speaker 1: while there's not a lot of feeling overhead, it cost
Speaker 1: somebody else fucking two hundred and fifty thousand to make
Speaker 1: an album and it cost me ten thousand, and it's
Speaker 1: just gonna be just as fire. The only thing that's
Speaker 1: gonna suffer is the marketing dollars, and not for the
Speaker 1: lack of money, just the lack of resources, not having
Speaker 1: the right people, you know, because motherfuckers come here to
Speaker 1: promote their projects and ship they albums. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm on here because you know you my man,
Speaker 1: and you know I got a little little bit of clout.
Speaker 1: But just imagine all the other people who don't have that.
Speaker 1: They got just as good music, right, but they don't
Speaker 1: have the access they get to a bootleg keV or
Speaker 1: to go wherever they want to go to. So you know,
Speaker 1: I just thank god I got good relationships and I'm
Speaker 1: not scared of hard work. You just put a sign
Speaker 1: out a soldier boy. Oh yeah, Draco's and glocks. That's
Speaker 1: fucking extremely random. I'm not a million years I never
Speaker 1: thought I would be like, Yo, yeah, Troy having soldier boy,
Speaker 1: I would love Jacob say that man ain't right Big Jago,
Speaker 1: he's the homie, come on the show a lot, like
Speaker 1: I fun with him. His management Like yeah that h
Speaker 1: my god, No, it's cool, it's cool, but like, what
Speaker 1: how did that happen? That's super Always I always fuck
Speaker 1: with Sojia, always been loved, like in passing or whatever whatever.
Speaker 1: Like I fuck with I fuck with a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Let me not say a lot of people. I'll fuck
Speaker 1: with people that a genuinely fuck with, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like not all for so like if I
Speaker 1: fuck with an artist, I'm not like I fuck with Gates,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We don't got a song,
Speaker 1: but if we pop up with a song, I probably
Speaker 1: get Gates on some this year. But yo, that was random.
Speaker 1: But I've been fucking with Gates for years. That would
Speaker 1: make more sense to me, though, See what this this?
Speaker 1: How I do? I don't like, I'm not a dick rider,
Speaker 1: So I don't just do records with somebody because they
Speaker 1: got a buzz here, or I want to get their
Speaker 1: fans here. No, I want that ship to feel good sonically.
Speaker 1: Like even when I dropped my project Made You without
Speaker 1: a deal, I had great project you feel thank you.
Speaker 1: I had all the people on it that I grew
Speaker 1: up listen to the eye in my ear, and I
Speaker 1: put them perfectly where they needed to sound in pocket.
Speaker 1: I had Fat Joke perfectly in pocket. I had rayconon
Speaker 1: Prodigy and know perfectly in pocket. I didn't say well
Speaker 1: at that time. Of course, there's other rappers that's hotter
Speaker 1: than them that I could do collapse and get their fans,
Speaker 1: but they never been about that. I've never been in
Speaker 1: cloud chacks and never been a dick rider. I want
Speaker 1: to make the best music possible and I know how
Speaker 1: to put motherfuckers on beats that they gonna sound in
Speaker 1: the pocket. So this beat right here, this ship had
Speaker 1: that feeling you know, sold you to I say, yo,
Speaker 1: I need you to talk that go crazy on that ship.
Speaker 1: I don't need you make it clap. I need you
Speaker 1: to go crazy, do that yelling in the fucking camera. Shit,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's a fact. And yeah,
Speaker 1: the big Draco I need you to do the big Draco,
Speaker 1: and he did the big Draco in his fire. I
Speaker 1: got another joint coming out with trat boy Freddie and
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. People will say that's random,
Speaker 1: but I'll fuck with him. We got we got dog
Speaker 1: businesses and coming. You know what I'm saying, BSB bullies
Speaker 1: on the way. So you're breeding dogs, Yeah that's a fact.
Speaker 1: So who's okay this might be a random super pause question.
Speaker 1: But when you have a dog that I'm gonna start breeding,
Speaker 1: right well, I'm gonna start stutting them out. Who is
Speaker 1: jerking off your dog? Don't joke off your dog. You
Speaker 1: gotta take it to the uh take it to the
Speaker 1: So my boy does it himself and he makes like
Speaker 1: three hundre grand a year of jerking. He's jerking his
Speaker 1: dog off. And I'm like, bro, I'm not touching no
Speaker 1: dicks for no amount of money. Dog, But you can't
Speaker 1: touch the dog dickie. Take no, I'm not telling no
Speaker 1: Dixie in life. Like, I mean, it's a dog. Even
Speaker 1: like even like if I gotta change my kids diaper,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of baby wipe. I'm never physit. My
Speaker 1: fingers ain't touching it? Just what I'm curious because I
Speaker 1: just got a friend, Schie that's like a puppy man.
Speaker 1: I'm like, am I gonna have to jerk this dog? No,
Speaker 1: you can take it to the vet and then you
Speaker 1: will jerk the dog exactly unless and they'll leave you.
Speaker 1: You get to get the ship in there the specialmen
Speaker 1: and you be out. But like you gotta think, how
Speaker 1: much is it worth for you? Is it? This is
Speaker 1: what I look at. If the motherfucker try to you hear,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say myself one hundred and fifty dollars, and
Speaker 1: if it's only one hundred and fifty bucks, I'm paying
Speaker 1: the one fifty. But then it's like I'll pay the
Speaker 1: one fifty to someone I know to jerk the dog
Speaker 1: off less because they're not even Yeah, and then I
Speaker 1: could I can hold it over their head forever, like, bro,
Speaker 1: you jerked off later I brought on a camera, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they not a certified juggfer, So you're out of
Speaker 1: him less, you know what I mean? But yeah, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not jugging off no dogs at all. Lead out
Speaker 1: to Joe. Butten's mate, Oh my goodness, did you see
Speaker 1: u recently? I mean he was on his podcast a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago and he said that he would
Speaker 1: he would fight you for free or some shit. Maybe no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: he oh he's capp he's cat said some shit like that.
Speaker 1: By the way, I might be totally I listened to
Speaker 1: you on that he and he had said like that,
Speaker 1: there's no like real beef between you guys. But if
Speaker 1: he had to do like a celebrity fight, yeah whatever,
Speaker 1: if yead do a celebrity fight, what you guys each
Speaker 1: getting five hundred k? You're doing the fight? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the fight. Fu. I can beat people up less funny
Speaker 1: than that for nothing. What's up? Like, where where was
Speaker 1: the I mean, you guys have kind of had like
Speaker 1: a no, that's snow with nothing with him. That's a
Speaker 1: little riff for a while now Junkie Joe like it's whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't get Joe, but you know I don't got
Speaker 1: no beef for nobody in the New Year twenty two
Speaker 1: is good. Yeah, that's good, especially like in the podcast
Speaker 1: space because I like, I don't want to say I
Speaker 1: don't use the term respect loosely, but like if every
Speaker 1: like people that are doing ship like how you're doing
Speaker 1: this podcast academics like junkie Joe, like a bunch of
Speaker 1: people doing the ship. I say it in differently, like
Speaker 1: fuck it was a junkie, but it's okay, a lot
Speaker 1: of junkies. It's all right. When was you get better?
Speaker 1: But anyway, you know, like motherfuckers is doing some ship
Speaker 1: that I so this is dope. Let me child, let
Speaker 1: me aspire to do this, so I give credit what
Speaker 1: credit is due all and fucking this man, other people
Speaker 1: doing ship. Yeah, there's a lot of dope podcasts. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm forget in somebody. Man, there's no podcasts
Speaker 1: drink champs, yeah ship. Yeah. So like I feel like
Speaker 1: you can't really when I when if I say something,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be based on facts. I'm not just gonna
Speaker 1: go and be like trying to dis because I feel
Speaker 1: like you can't. But that again, that's a handicap because
Speaker 1: people don't do that. People people look people look up
Speaker 1: and talk them. You can't fucking do that, right, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? That's coney, you feel me, and
Speaker 1: that that means that if somebody's doing something that you
Speaker 1: if like me, I got mad buildings in real estate, man,
Speaker 1: multi family homes and if somebody talking ship about me
Speaker 1: and they don't they live in an apartment, like oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he ain't real estate or whatever. Like you can't do
Speaker 1: that though, because you're trying to get into what I
Speaker 1: get into. Now, if you say something factual about me,
Speaker 1: they got nothing to do with that, then cool. But
Speaker 1: you still got to have a certain level of I
Speaker 1: don't want to say respect, but like certain level because
Speaker 1: you're trying to get into that space as them or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I give a fuck about podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it's just another it's just another move, another
Speaker 1: outlet for me to talk to my people, and of course,
Speaker 1: spread your own news because if somebody else is telling exactly,
Speaker 1: have your own narratives, you know what I'm saying, Help me, man,
Speaker 1: what you know? I felt like you were in a
Speaker 1: position where everyone was embracing you. Hmm. Everyone was kind
Speaker 1: of fucking with Troy av I feel like then there
Speaker 1: was like a switch that happened and it felt like
Speaker 1: it just kind of felt like a lot of people
Speaker 1: kind of deserted you, or at least You're like, like
Speaker 1: did you feel that way, like like where you weren't
Speaker 1: getting embraced as much after something happened. I ain't never.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't ever sty I felt deserted because
Speaker 1: I always been on my own. I always been like independent.
Speaker 1: I just mean in terms of like on some industry
Speaker 1: shit man I used. I ain't never. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say deserted or anything. I just want to say, like,
Speaker 1: it's like when it's like everybody petting the lion until
Speaker 1: the lion shows teeths shows real teeth. Then it's like,
Speaker 1: fuck this motherfuckers on some other ship and they could
Speaker 1: get on some other ship at any time, and you
Speaker 1: know how this ship goes and his and his music
Speaker 1: shit is like it's entertainment, it's w w F. Everybody's
Speaker 1: a fucking wrestler. But when the guy really slims you
Speaker 1: on your neck and you get injured, and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, whoa, whoa, we were wrestling for fake, we're
Speaker 1: not wrestling for. So that happens a lot where it's
Speaker 1: just like it just if if you do some extremely
Speaker 1: ship that's so cold gangstill real and or they'll turn
Speaker 1: that into saying it's idiotic, and it's it's uh, it's
Speaker 1: fucking what you call what's what's the word. It's it's
Speaker 1: a hazardous and ship like that, and then people want
Speaker 1: to get away from that. You feel me because it's
Speaker 1: like you don't know what. But in certain instances, if
Speaker 1: you're leveled up and clouded up more like signed to
Speaker 1: a major label and ship like that, they gotta deal
Speaker 1: with you. Like people didn't fuck with fifty Cent for
Speaker 1: you because he was with Dre and m and that
Speaker 1: it was too late. It's the hottestrapper in the world.
Speaker 1: It was too late. It was like, damn, we can't
Speaker 1: feel me. He could, he could have fucking shootouts of
Speaker 1: getting ship and then, but we can't not fuck with
Speaker 1: him because it's to hes gonna be at all Lottle
Speaker 1: war shows. He's with Jimmy Ive and it's too late.
Speaker 1: I was just with me. I felt like you also,
Speaker 1: like you were doing some small things that made people
Speaker 1: root against you. They would be like, you know, like
Speaker 1: maybe it'd be like the Kendrick Lamar is a weirdo
Speaker 1: rapper line when like can everyone's fucking with Kendrick all
Speaker 1: of them just addressed. That's adds to Mad one by
Speaker 1: One that was on New York City, the album that
Speaker 1: was in New York City the album. Now, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. You do when you do some
Speaker 1: real ship, It's like, what, well, that's too real. I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I came in the game like thinking, like
Speaker 1: I put it to w W E Rustling. I always
Speaker 1: seen the wrestles going up. I thought they was real ship.
Speaker 1: They doing this. Okay, when somebody says something about you,
Speaker 1: When Snoop say he crushed the buildings, Nory and CNN
Speaker 1: came at them, a couple other people whatever, came like,
Speaker 1: that's how you supposed you supposed to react and defend.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought it was, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So when when fucking Kendrick Lamar said the ship about
Speaker 1: New York and everybody had their pennies and a bunch
Speaker 1: of ship, I'm like, all right, oh, you motherfucker's making
Speaker 1: whole songs. It's that's why is it that my one,
Speaker 1: my fucking one bar stuck moding the whole song? You
Speaker 1: said was that before the control freestyle? No, it was
Speaker 1: after after? Why would I say that? Yeah? That made
Speaker 1: no sense. So like I'm only everything Like people would
Speaker 1: throw stones and the hot they ends. They only see
Speaker 1: the reaction because my reaction is so aggressive and savage.
Speaker 1: But there's no rules to a reaction, Like I say,
Speaker 1: if somebody slap you and you minding your business slap
Speaker 1: and you get up and you fucking bludging them or
Speaker 1: beat them with a bat, they should have never slapped you.
Speaker 1: So everybody making whole disc records about Kendrick Lamar because
Speaker 1: he said to New York's right. I think jay Z
Speaker 1: even did a verse and and just never put it
Speaker 1: out like man, people had records and there was just nothing.
Speaker 1: But there's one line by little old Independent. I just think,
Speaker 1: I just think it's so hard. And I didn't say
Speaker 1: nothing crazy, You didn't say anything super disrespectfully. I just
Speaker 1: which which was like, But now motherfuckers want to use
Speaker 1: widow rapers as a term that like that what it
Speaker 1: was a widow rapper compared to the ship you were doing,
Speaker 1: not me doing. Just see, this is why I don't like.
Speaker 1: I don't like when media people everybody try to act like,
Speaker 1: try to just have alternative facts. If from the look,
Speaker 1: you got a bunch of fucking plaques on here from
Speaker 1: these people, we grew up looking at the clips these
Speaker 1: same fucking people packing big if they wore, like because
Speaker 1: you got me talking about to say, how when Kendrick
Speaker 1: Lamar came out on stage and he had the white
Speaker 1: ship on. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: recently right, like I means, and on the wall, and
Speaker 1: that Kanye up there, Kanye, you know, Kanye is fire
Speaker 1: the roots, state the roots, you know what they all like,
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with having There's nothing wrong with people
Speaker 1: having titles. I mean. Also that was that was like
Speaker 1: a retort for the control freestyle. It makes sense that's on.
Speaker 1: It was as it was. It was like the city, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is gonna be a bit and not represent every
Speaker 1: single one of my sons. Since day one for my mixtape,
Speaker 1: it always been New York. I even have my singles
Speaker 1: YO New York while everybody else is trying to dick ride.
Speaker 1: It sounds like for sure, you definitely first bricks in
Speaker 1: the backpack ship. Like I don't know how many songs
Speaker 1: I got about Brooklyn, how many songs I got about
Speaker 1: New York. And I'm spending my own money to promote
Speaker 1: this when I know it'll keep me local. But by
Speaker 1: me keep pushing and pushing, I'm repping. I'm loyal to
Speaker 1: where I'm from, and everybody should be like that. I
Speaker 1: love when I love when I come with. I hear
Speaker 1: yg first album and it ship sound like la You
Speaker 1: feel me when you hear choy A New York City
Speaker 1: albums sound like New York. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I want to hear fucking young thugs sounding like Atlanta
Speaker 1: or young Jeezy shit, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: ships got to sound like where it's from. There's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with collabing. When Big got with Boone Thug, that
Speaker 1: was the perfect collabing. Sure he kept his New York
Speaker 1: voice and he did their flow and did it better
Speaker 1: than them. I don't know, I'm so oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh man, But yeah, yeah, that was one thing. But
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Speaker 1: the other thing, and you regret the Capital Steeze thing
Speaker 1: with Joey, don't zoom them on my face when I'm smiling.
Speaker 1: See you getting most is out of me. I'm just
Speaker 1: asking about that at that time. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know you were on your troy A ship like
Speaker 1: in retrospect. Do you regret that at all? Oh? I'm
Speaker 1: just me, man. I mean, like, listen, man, this is
Speaker 1: how I feel. What can can you bring the people
Speaker 1: up to speed with what I said? And while I
Speaker 1: said it, because I want to make sure because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you didn't know that that was in response to the
Speaker 1: control freestyle. I want to make sure that so the
Speaker 1: joey thing, I felt like, like what the fact that
Speaker 1: we listen. I don't know why you said it. I
Speaker 1: know that at the time, you don't know why. I
Speaker 1: know that you guys are going back and forth to
Speaker 1: who was selling more records independently? Right, that was kind
Speaker 1: of the wasn't back and forth. I wasn't concerned with
Speaker 1: who was selling more records of New York. That wasn't me.
Speaker 1: I wasn't backing forth. You had brought up the fact
Speaker 1: that his one of one of the guys in pro
Speaker 1: era Capital Stees had killed himself and said some probably
Speaker 1: some not nice things about about that situation. This isn't Look,
Speaker 1: you got the clips on your wall, you got fifty
Speaker 1: cent on your wall. You don't have the locks head
Speaker 1: and they talk about fifties mother they died? What was what?
Speaker 1: Didn't push it because crazy like five or six years
Speaker 1: don't do that. Look, from what I'm trying to do
Speaker 1: is know what I'm trying to do is ask you
Speaker 1: like what like like for people who don't know and
Speaker 1: even refresh my memory. What was the origin of the
Speaker 1: issue with Joey? Where that that statement before before, before
Speaker 1: I forget, I want to set the premise on because
Speaker 1: it's very important and the environment. The rap Day that
Speaker 1: I grew up listening to as a kid is clips.
Speaker 1: Just push your t He's one of the greatest. Then
Speaker 1: he go crazy on drap Man who got having cereble
Speaker 1: posy or something, okay, fifty. He was going nuts on everybody,
Speaker 1: and they went nuts on him. It is, it is
Speaker 1: what it is, and this is Tupac hit him up
Speaker 1: and got these people on your wall, right, No, I do.
Speaker 1: And it's that they said was this ship? They said was?
Speaker 1: But I think that their issues with the with the
Speaker 1: other side of the exchange were probably at least a
Speaker 1: lot more stronger than what your at least what your
Speaker 1: issues might have been with Joey. No. Well, the issue
Speaker 1: started with Joey was I was minding my business, just
Speaker 1: doing my thing independent. I was only just independent. And
Speaker 1: I always said BSB Records is number one independent label
Speaker 1: at New York, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think he might have said something
Speaker 1: about it, or maybe not. I don't remember, but I
Speaker 1: know something like his A friend of his came on
Speaker 1: a record and he was like, yeah and such and such,
Speaker 1: So more records in joy aff now again. I dropped
Speaker 1: my I dropped my project major without a deal, and
Speaker 1: you know, they try to like it seemed like people
Speaker 1: always coming for me, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: it's like a bunch of fake people. And when they
Speaker 1: see the rail, they don't want the real Leshan because
Speaker 1: then you make them look funny. If you real diamonds
Speaker 1: around motherfuckers with fake shit, then they start looking funny.
Speaker 1: So well, let's get them out of here. So they
Speaker 1: said old choy Av took an l I only sold
Speaker 1: a couple thousand records or whatever. That wasn't really true.
Speaker 1: I dropped my I dropped my album on a Friday,
Speaker 1: when everybody else drop me on a Tuesday. Were talking
Speaker 1: about pure records solds for that week. I actually sold
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand recund For people who don't know, this was
Speaker 1: before it got switched to Fridays. This before Yeah, people
Speaker 1: are going to be in the comments like, man, shit
Speaker 1: comes out right. So back back then it was Tuesday's
Speaker 1: music to drop. So when you drop on a Friday
Speaker 1: getting it full You're not getting a full week. And
Speaker 1: then I didn't care about that. I'm independent. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop my people many music exactly. So I
Speaker 1: drop it and then I sell a couple thousand records,
Speaker 1: but mind you, it's a short week. And then, remember
Speaker 1: I'm independent. I sold a couple of thousand. That's all
Speaker 1: free money to me. I'm making more off my couple
Speaker 1: thousand records. So we ended up selling fourteen thousand. Like
Speaker 1: later on with the week, I made one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty thousand. That whole album only cost me probably ten
Speaker 1: thousand to make. And this is pretty pre before streaming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is none of this straight. It's straight buying, straight problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a fact. And now I'm getting ninety percent
Speaker 1: of that ninety five percent, Like it's a difference. Was
Speaker 1: it still was this the Empire shout the guys and
Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah yeah fuck Empire. So this this early
Speaker 1: like Empire days, you know what I'm saying. For sure,
Speaker 1: after my lawyer, Vinnie Kumar, he put that play together
Speaker 1: and it may and it made sense. He's that man
Speaker 1: here to go. So so now when I'm doing that,
Speaker 1: like you can't ever tell me. You can't ever tell me.
Speaker 1: I look at it like, you got people that's playing
Speaker 1: on ring your teams, and if your team is fully
Speaker 1: loaded and you got everybody on the team, and fucking
Speaker 1: you got Lebron and you got d Wade and ship
Speaker 1: like that, and then you come on and you score
Speaker 1: twenty points, that's not that. Twenty points ain't more than
Speaker 1: the guy who has who's carried that's twenty points ain't
Speaker 1: more than AI taking the Philadelphia to the championship with
Speaker 1: the Lakers. It's not more it's not more than you
Speaker 1: feel me. It's not more than. But they'll try to
Speaker 1: make it. And when I say load of teams marking
Speaker 1: in big money behind the shit, promotions, everything just you know,
Speaker 1: real publiciers like everything. So if they spending two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand to push your shit, and then you
Speaker 1: maybe sell a little bit more than me. If I'm
Speaker 1: only spending ten thousand dollars, this is a bigger win
Speaker 1: because then you can only do that one time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could do this shit three four times a year.
Speaker 1: But they'll try to act like what I did was
Speaker 1: an L when it's not an L. So I ain't
Speaker 1: never gonna be quiet out Like where I'm from, you
Speaker 1: don't just let somebody say something about you and then
Speaker 1: you you not say nothing, and you just fall back
Speaker 1: and like that sucking shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So uh, somebody that would never that would never. I
Speaker 1: never said nothing about nobody on a record or anything
Speaker 1: that I would not definitely say in their face when
Speaker 1: I see them. And that's what I didn't like about
Speaker 1: the music and internet. Shit, people will say things about
Speaker 1: you just randomly they got access to say some shit
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't say. And growing up growing up in
Speaker 1: my in my hood, like you got to see about
Speaker 1: that person right there and have the energy when you
Speaker 1: say that. That's called hating or you just a sucker.
Speaker 1: And so somebody, an artist just came and took a
Speaker 1: shot and said and such and such, so more records
Speaker 1: than joy Ad. Oh I think he said it. Joey
Speaker 1: said it such and such, so more records than joy Ad.
Speaker 1: When his artists, I'm like, why the fuck would you
Speaker 1: say that? Like that didn't make you Why you said
Speaker 1: that to me? Now? Mind you it wasn't, No, it
Speaker 1: wasn't that big of a deal because like it wasn't
Speaker 1: Like a bunch of people was like, oh whatever whatever,
Speaker 1: But I just caught window of it, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why the fuck would you say that to me? Knowing that,
Speaker 1: like like if I if I saw you, it would
Speaker 1: it would be a problem. Why are you starting with me?
Speaker 1: Why are you playing with me like that? Like I
Speaker 1: don't it make It makes you more upset when somebody
Speaker 1: play with you. That would never if you're not there, Like,
Speaker 1: that's not real ship, A real a real person would
Speaker 1: never go to somebody and then know when they when
Speaker 1: they see them, they wouldn't say that it wouldn't. I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that pop shit and apologize that
Speaker 1: sucking ship. You don't pop shit. And then when you
Speaker 1: see you playing the yola sit and talk it out.
Speaker 1: Yoa's so good that ship? Should it never happened? Why
Speaker 1: did it happen? And then you tell me why it happened?
Speaker 1: Why would somebody I never took a shot at nobody
Speaker 1: out of nowhere on no records for what? For cloud,
Speaker 1: just for what? Because when you disrespect, then you open
Speaker 1: the door to be down with all the disrespect that
Speaker 1: comes with it. So do you feel like they was
Speaker 1: down for all the disrespect that comes with it, or
Speaker 1: was it just I mean how you feel. I mean
Speaker 1: I think that being honest, listen, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: This is what happened. So that happened. I remember that
Speaker 1: line you're saying now now, I remember the Joey line
Speaker 1: you're talking about, which happened first. Also not not even
Speaker 1: in the same ballpark in disrespect as what you came
Speaker 1: and retorted with. I didn't know we played bullparks. But
Speaker 1: but but but what what I want to get to
Speaker 1: is like, because for a long time, so like I'll
Speaker 1: give you an example. Once that happened, you had a
Speaker 1: record at that time that was getting pushed to radio.
Speaker 1: I don't remember which song it was. I don't remember either,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember it was one of your record
Speaker 1: It wasn't I don't know what it was, but you
Speaker 1: had a record that was getting a soda in when
Speaker 1: the play, Yeah, it was a findy I think. I
Speaker 1: was like, but I might have my boy in Minneapolis
Speaker 1: who's playing your record on the radio, like the station
Speaker 1: called GO ninety five ninety sixty three, and he calls
Speaker 1: me and he's like, yo, we're like supporting Troy and like, yo,
Speaker 1: he's like disrespecting people who like have families that have
Speaker 1: gone through suicide. Ship, Like what how? How how are
Speaker 1: they taking it that personal? And the crazy shit is
Speaker 1: I really fucked with him. Whenever I would go out there,
Speaker 1: we would tap in, like I really fucked with him.
Speaker 1: So this is that's the promise me. And I'm like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I could just talk to Hovane, you know how? But Yo,
Speaker 1: they got to talk to you, right? How from a
Speaker 1: record of somebody starting something with me and then I
Speaker 1: respond I spoke to you too, But how does that
Speaker 1: affect other people in positions of doing their job? Like,
Speaker 1: it's not a personal thing. If you got a good record,
Speaker 1: you got a good record, throw it on the fuck
Speaker 1: with it this record that I disagree with you specific instance.
Speaker 1: It's not even like I'm saying play this record. This
Speaker 1: record is just a disrecord in response to what they
Speaker 1: said to me and it went crazy. But how how
Speaker 1: in the fucking world is that okay for somebody's personal
Speaker 1: feelings about what two other men have a problem with
Speaker 1: to affect you put pushing a ship or you playing
Speaker 1: just don't even push you just play it regularly. It's
Speaker 1: a good record. Everybody. Everybody loved the record. I don't
Speaker 1: remember which. I forget which record it was you had
Speaker 1: during that era, you had a few. So maybe maybe
Speaker 1: she belongs to the game. Maybe due to what she
Speaker 1: belongs to the game, I feel like, I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1: But no, but so let me ask you this. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like did you do you feel like that
Speaker 1: that specific line like I went too far? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: you obviously don't feel like you went too far. But
Speaker 1: do you feel like it kept out? I didn't say that.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it affected you and your career
Speaker 1: at all? Negatively? Because because that one anecdotal situation where
Speaker 1: you talked about about a single radio station Minnesota, that's
Speaker 1: but no, these other people, that's what I like that
Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: Traft were all that motherfucker, like he took it too far,
Speaker 1: like because they just they just wait, they they was
Speaker 1: never really fucking with me. Because I I stand for
Speaker 1: everything that they don't. I'll stand for independence, I stand
Speaker 1: for being confident, and they'll call my confidence cocky, they'll
Speaker 1: call my independent cells and mediocre, when in reality, my
Speaker 1: independence cells are superior to yours. Because I need more
Speaker 1: money dollars for a dollar, and like, I feel like
Speaker 1: that was just a way for people to come out
Speaker 1: and have something to say, like how any problem with
Speaker 1: between two men. It's more just look at Chicago they
Speaker 1: talk about smoking dead ops, it's a listen who I
Speaker 1: do not disagree right now, especially like in Jacksonville, shit
Speaker 1: is you feel me to who I smoked it? But
Speaker 1: it been music been disrespectful. I think people just looked
Speaker 1: at it as like Joey's like this kid who's just
Speaker 1: making dope, young rap music. You're from New York and
Speaker 1: maybe as opposed to like you guys having an issue
Speaker 1: and like it being like a thing like you know,
Speaker 1: And at the time, you guys were definitely you know,
Speaker 1: your your guys' rises were parallel to each other, not
Speaker 1: not related to each other. It wasn't really parallel. He
Speaker 1: was the way he was way ahead of me already.
Speaker 1: And I just mean in terms of like you guys
Speaker 1: are both up and coming in New York City. Your
Speaker 1: energy was a lot different, obviously, but Joffer Joey still
Speaker 1: was making like joe Like Joey Badass could have been
Speaker 1: on New York City the album, and that would have
Speaker 1: made sense and it would have sounded good. Right. Nah,
Speaker 1: he could have been on New York City album. Not
Speaker 1: that album, I'm not. I'm just meaning in terms of like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not ta beats. You know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: fucking no hell no, absolutely not? How hell? Where you know?
Speaker 1: It was on New York City album? So tell me
Speaker 1: if you you can't tell me one person that let
Speaker 1: alone put on, You can't tell me one person that
Speaker 1: I could take off to play in morning. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that he could fit. He cannot. You could
Speaker 1: pull all the songs up. There's no way that music
Speaker 1: is different. They was making backpack rap music. I think
Speaker 1: he was making traditional New York nineties boom bab ship,
Speaker 1: traditional New York nineties. I don't make I don't make nineties.
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying you but I'm making fucking incarcerated
Speaker 1: skull faces. I'm making capital punishment I'm making. I'm making that.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think Joey's ship was far
Speaker 1: from that wheelhouse. How those are two different types of
Speaker 1: hip hop. I'm telling them I grew up in that space.
Speaker 1: Those are two is listen, it's most has most Death
Speaker 1: in jay Z jay Z album, but he done ship.
Speaker 1: Uh well, I never heard tal on a jay Z album,
Speaker 1: not on a jay Z album, but they've they've been
Speaker 1: on a record together to get my remix. Come on,
Speaker 1: you know hip hop don't do that. Come on, So
Speaker 1: most Death make dope ass music, right and jay Z
Speaker 1: so even Tyler quality be flowing. But the two type
Speaker 1: of albums are different. They they it doesn't go. So
Speaker 1: you can't say he could have been on New York
Speaker 1: City the album, No or major with idea, No fucking way.
Speaker 1: It's not that it's Joey has records with all the
Speaker 1: guys that are on New York City the album. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure when no, I'll call Cap over one hundred
Speaker 1: some thousandth jings on me. Ill bet right now? Who
Speaker 1: is who is on the album? Who's on Pottigy Cameron, Fat, Joe,
Speaker 1: Ray Kwan, push your T No not push t J
Speaker 1: D kiss fabulous mad people. I bet you anything. It's no.
Speaker 1: It's never no CAP with you have I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't just do the assume, you know how people just
Speaker 1: throw out the fact that I guess. The point I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say is I feel like you like divided
Speaker 1: y'all so much like and I think some people made
Speaker 1: it had maybe thought it was unnecessary. What was There's
Speaker 1: no rules to a reaction that's fair. If somebody comes
Speaker 1: and slaps you right now in your face, what would
Speaker 1: you do, caes somebody just randomly walks inside react like,
Speaker 1: what would your reaction be just randomly violence? Like? Like
Speaker 1: what kind of violence? I don't know A punch. A
Speaker 1: punch is most severed in a slap, right, This is true?
Speaker 1: But do you not think that some of the things
Speaker 1: you were saying in the interviews were kind of like
Speaker 1: like he could have loosely taken them as like, yo,
Speaker 1: was he talking about us? I was never. There wasn't
Speaker 1: never when we were talking about like like being the
Speaker 1: biggest like like rapper at it out of New York. No,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm the number one independent rapper out of
Speaker 1: New York. I still am to this day. But how
Speaker 1: I'm only speaking facts. There's nothing wrong with speaking your facts.
Speaker 1: I don't listen. I'm just trying to independent. When you
Speaker 1: see my ship and say BSB Records, what you did?
Speaker 1: What you did feel? Did you did you feel like
Speaker 1: some of the industry turned their back on you. When
Speaker 1: that happened. I feel like different things like that happen,
Speaker 1: Like you said the guy in Minneapolis ship like that
Speaker 1: started happening, and even people that were like, we call
Speaker 1: me and they be like, now, what you're saying is right,
Speaker 1: but you know you can't say that like that in public?
Speaker 1: Why the fuck can I This is rap. Y'all didn't
Speaker 1: tell me the rules before I got into this shit.
Speaker 1: I'm watching, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, these people really fucking
Speaker 1: doing power drives and really doing clothes lines. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: this is what really happens. Oh, it's fake, it's not real.
Speaker 1: But I didn't know that. I didn't find it out
Speaker 1: until I do some real shit. Then it's like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: what's going on? And then like you gotta think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, anybody that got a problem
Speaker 1: with what I said to my suicide, if you go
Speaker 1: against me, you got somewhere wrong what I gotta say
Speaker 1: and take it up with God. You got something to
Speaker 1: say with the whole Bible. That's my only back and
Speaker 1: that's what I'm standing on. I'm standing on that. So
Speaker 1: I want the same people that got some against what
Speaker 1: I got to say make sure you say I don't
Speaker 1: fuck with God. I don't fuck with no religion that
Speaker 1: speaks against that anything that you can't be a fucking hypocrite.
Speaker 1: I don't deal with the hypocrisy. It's coney. That's a fact.
Speaker 1: So what you what you did was a Christian move. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not. I'm not. I'm not gonna say.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say I'm a Christian. I practice realism
Speaker 1: because I don't believe in dividing. I don't believe in
Speaker 1: dividing like they try to divide and concu us. People say,
Speaker 1: that's a fact everything. I don't believe you never. I
Speaker 1: don't have no hate in me at all. I don't
Speaker 1: have no fucking racism. I don't hate on somebody for
Speaker 1: being fucking gay. I don't hate on somebody forgetting money.
Speaker 1: I don't hate on somebody because they gender. None of
Speaker 1: that ship. So if you if what they try to
Speaker 1: do is is like separate us in different little bullshit
Speaker 1: where if this person is saying a lie, this person
Speaker 1: is saying a Messiah, and I'm saying God, it's a
Speaker 1: Jewish a Muslim, and you all saying the same thing,
Speaker 1: you all believe in God. That's the common denominator. Fuck
Speaker 1: everything else that has to go below. So I practice realism.
Speaker 1: You know, there's semantics of religion has been pretty much
Speaker 1: the cause of most wars, and it's just man sis.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing and divide and congo. Like, there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with being put in groups. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, if you all believe in one thing,
Speaker 1: then let's focus on that. So like like, focus on
Speaker 1: what we all have in common, exactly, exactly, and that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all I push. I never, you know, any time
Speaker 1: I ever said anything, I'm not thinking about nobody else.
Speaker 1: When I see I'm the number one independent labeling uh
Speaker 1: in New York. I am. I started this from the
Speaker 1: ground up. I really sold fifty five thousand records out
Speaker 1: of my trunk for sure, So I'm the number one independent.
Speaker 1: I'm really doing doing the most repping for the city.
Speaker 1: These other people, Joey whoever, they had head starts with me.
Speaker 1: They wasn't like motherfucker. First time I met yg he said,
Speaker 1: this is a motherfucker from New York. This is what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about right there. Because I look and I
Speaker 1: sound like it, I'm not you're not gonna meet I
Speaker 1: fuck with Tyler Qualley, but you're never gonna meet most
Speaker 1: step back in the day, like, yeah, this is what
Speaker 1: New York is like in most depth is dope as fuck. Right,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna say that. You're gonna say that about Biggie,
Speaker 1: You're gonna say that about jay Z. I think I
Speaker 1: think on a commercial level, you're right, Yes, on a
Speaker 1: commercial just period, we have commercial just period in general,
Speaker 1: that's the energy, that's what that's what it's about. My
Speaker 1: my my energy wasn't a Red Show energy, finger snap
Speaker 1: and ship. Like I said, I definitely think you had
Speaker 1: the like the closest you know, because I think after
Speaker 1: fifty there was a lot of people who try to
Speaker 1: be the new the new fifty or the new that
Speaker 1: that kind of like that feel that position, I guess
Speaker 1: I would say, And I feel like at that time,
Speaker 1: you're the closest person that got to that. And I
Speaker 1: think that's why at that time and fifty, you know,
Speaker 1: got behind, like fifty, you know, put his arm around
Speaker 1: you for a second, Like first fifty was hating and
Speaker 1: then he came he came around. At today, what's your
Speaker 1: relationship with fifty now? Good. I mean if I seen him,
Speaker 1: I seen him, it's so good, like that's that's me.
Speaker 1: I will never like fifty inspire me like I was
Speaker 1: saying about the junkie Joe shit, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying so of it. Have nothing bad to say about him,
Speaker 1: because if it wasn't No fifty, it wouldn't be me.
Speaker 1: But I'm not trying to sound like him. And I'm
Speaker 1: doing my own thing. You feel me, and and so
Speaker 1: like back to I want to stay on this because
Speaker 1: we got to get rid of some of these alternative facts,
Speaker 1: just like we did with the Kendrick ship. Nobody knew
Speaker 1: that I said that ship about Kendrick because he said
Speaker 1: this and and it was a fact. I just pointed
Speaker 1: out it was a fact. I didn't lie when I
Speaker 1: said this ship. Everybody when he did this song with
Speaker 1: Miguel and I don't know what he was wearing or
Speaker 1: brazy hat, everybody like, Yo, Troy ad was right. I
Speaker 1: mean to call someone a weirdo though, was subjective a
Speaker 1: weirdo to you? Yes, that's the fact. That's the fact
Speaker 1: that it is not the fact that Troy have which
Speaker 1: is fine. You spoke your truth. It's not would you
Speaker 1: say the clips are the clips talken cocaine rap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the definition of coke rap, exactly like we
Speaker 1: can people. I was wearing a koofee. You might have
Speaker 1: caught him a weirdo rapper at that time. Not well
Speaker 1: not not because where I'm from, you see a lot
Speaker 1: of brothers that are weare kofies and ship like that,
Speaker 1: even in jail, and they're not with those I would
Speaker 1: never call I. I just know that Kendrick is a weirdo,
Speaker 1: but it's every we could put every artist into who
Speaker 1: they are. Snoopyrec your definition of weirdo, Kendrick is a weirdo.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a weirdo because I know Kendrick
Speaker 1: and I know he's just I understand what you were saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know Kendrick. You replied to the style talking
Speaker 1: about style, and we've established that, right, So just see
Speaker 1: when you know somebody more present whatever. But back to
Speaker 1: the to the to the Joey bad ship. When you
Speaker 1: see them, like I said what I said, I'm breaking
Speaker 1: I'm lyrical with it. I'm breaking them down. And since
Speaker 1: they said a partner of his he brought other people
Speaker 1: into it, it wasn't just him going each other. He
Speaker 1: brought up somebody from his group, so more recordsent choy. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now it's open season on anybody from your group
Speaker 1: here or gone, you feel me, That's what happened. They
Speaker 1: they opened Pandora's box and then you, I said, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: you went too far. Don't play with me. Did anyone
Speaker 1: around you hear that and try to convince you to
Speaker 1: take it out? They the video. They was like, yo,
Speaker 1: come on the videos nuts, because I did the video
Speaker 1: on the roof. Yeah, but I mean, like I said,
Speaker 1: look all these motherfuckers you got on your wall. You
Speaker 1: got them on your wall. Tupac hit them up. Come
Speaker 1: on take it if you feel away about it, If
Speaker 1: you're not standing on how Troy went about his business,
Speaker 1: then you need to take Tupac off your wall or
Speaker 1: else you being in a hit. That was a more
Speaker 1: serious situation. What are you talking about? Serious to? Who?
Speaker 1: Seriousness is objective? Serious to? If somebody slaps you in
Speaker 1: your face, you don't have to respond to them with
Speaker 1: a punch you. I've seen people get slapped in here.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I've seen people get slapped. Damn. This guy's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, so everything you're saying, I'm only speaking facts. Listen,
Speaker 1: nobody can tell nobody can tell anyone how to react
Speaker 1: to something. Right you have and that was more serious
Speaker 1: than if I just I'm just telling you the perception
Speaker 1: of people. I'm not telling you you like my opinions
Speaker 1: because I'm on the Bootleg keV podcast. I think, I
Speaker 1: think at the time. I definitely think at the time,
Speaker 1: and I'm here, real ship. I didn't come here run out, yo, Kevin,
Speaker 1: I gotta go run and go get I'm really here here. No,
Speaker 1: I feel like at that time, to me, it felt unnecessary,
Speaker 1: it felt over the top for at the moment, like
Speaker 1: New York. We always hear about how Atlanta moved together.
Speaker 1: You know, why can't New York and l A move
Speaker 1: together like Atlanta does? And at that time, it felt
Speaker 1: like you were you would like carved out troy Ave
Speaker 1: Island and you were just standing on your island in
Speaker 1: New York. When I said that, you mean yeah, And
Speaker 1: it's in general, I just feel like you. I feel
Speaker 1: like Europe. I mean, I knew you at the you know,
Speaker 1: I know you so like I was very close to
Speaker 1: your situation, and so I would like, you know, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, well, Ship, it seems like a lot
Speaker 1: of people are rooting against stew as opposed to rooting
Speaker 1: for you. And I think that that was because of
Speaker 1: some of the things you would say some of and
Speaker 1: that's just you being you. Just it's just me being
Speaker 1: a real person. I am on Joyvlan because I'm self
Speaker 1: made and self paid. Nobody put me on and brought
Speaker 1: me up from the ground up. Ships I meet, I
Speaker 1: call it DJ like I used to call you very
Speaker 1: much or whatever. But with these two situations that you
Speaker 1: bringing up, who started them? They were all reactions. I
Speaker 1: didn't and that's important. That's important. No one can tell
Speaker 1: any individual how to react to something. But I'm asking
Speaker 1: do you do you do you agree it was? I mean,
Speaker 1: I Joey bad ship? Was it? Was it a reaction?
Speaker 1: Who you threw the first shot? I mean based on
Speaker 1: the recollections, yea, bro, listen, it's been so long. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I do remember that line that Joey dropped. So
Speaker 1: that's throwing the shot at me. And so you your
Speaker 1: that was your reaction to some of the threw a
Speaker 1: shot at you first, because you had never thrown a
Speaker 1: shot at him prior to that. Correct directly, No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't be going throwing shots. I'll be focused on me.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about what another man doing. I'm focused on.
Speaker 1: So we've established that you reacted to Joey, and you
Speaker 1: reacted to the control freestyle and the Kendrick thing. I
Speaker 1: just think people were like, what the fuck? But I
Speaker 1: think people it wasn't. It wasn't disrespectful. Yeah he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He wasn't disrespecting. But at that time, I just don't
Speaker 1: because it wasn't a big deal. Like it was just
Speaker 1: like it wasn't at all. But it was just like
Speaker 1: how how this ship appeared? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's why it wasn't a big deal. That's why I
Speaker 1: just do a one line and I'm just representing. I'm
Speaker 1: standing up for my city. I did for my city. No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a big It wasn't a big There wasn't
Speaker 1: personal that other ship. It was personal. I see that
Speaker 1: his personally at that time, it was personally. I don't
Speaker 1: really give a fun now, all right, moving forward, man,
Speaker 1: Without getting too much into the to get to the
Speaker 1: line though, because you saying I want to I want
Speaker 1: you to get to that line, man, which one you
Speaker 1: singing the capital Steve Ship and I want to I mean,
Speaker 1: I have people in my life who have committed suicide.
Speaker 1: We all have people in all life that committed me.
Speaker 1: It was maybe in poor taste with that being said,
Speaker 1: but remove remove the personal from it. That's what people
Speaker 1: can't do. Everybody wants to laugh at the ugly baby
Speaker 1: until they have a baby that's ugly. What is it
Speaker 1: not funny? You were just laughing at the ugly baby.
Speaker 1: You said that baby is fucking ugly. Now you have kids,
Speaker 1: you don't want to say no more. Let's remove the
Speaker 1: personal shit and just dealing fact my podcast. But that's
Speaker 1: why I think that's why it's hard for people to
Speaker 1: remove personal feelings from something that's serious. Sh ain't hard
Speaker 1: for me because I'm I'm solid. I'm one honey with
Speaker 1: myself always and you react, and like you said, you
Speaker 1: that's how you chose to see. You ain't gonna see
Speaker 1: people more more solid than me. That's fucking rid because
Speaker 1: I don't meet them. I know how to, I know
Speaker 1: how to be objective and like, remove personal ship from
Speaker 1: what's right and what's wrong. You feel me I know
Speaker 1: how to do that, Like, it's just a fucking you
Speaker 1: have to do it. You can't call yourself real. You
Speaker 1: can't call yourself real if you're hating on people. You
Speaker 1: can't call yourself real if you let your personal feelings
Speaker 1: get in the way of what's right and what's fucking wrong, like,
Speaker 1: because you wouldn't be saying that if you didn't have
Speaker 1: a personal experience about it. My shit, you can't say, yo,
Speaker 1: I believe in God and I believe in the Bible
Speaker 1: and then turn around and say you're wrong for saying this, Like,
Speaker 1: am I wrong if I if the guy in Minneapolis
Speaker 1: who I'm genuinely was fucking with right through you, if
Speaker 1: he stops playing my record? Cool? Other people call me
Speaker 1: even sway in the morning, was like, all right, man,
Speaker 1: I was, you're right, but that was fucked up whatever. Cool,
Speaker 1: So all these people stop supporting my shit publicly, right
Speaker 1: even though they know that you know, some shit I
Speaker 1: said was right. If I got to go through all
Speaker 1: that and motherfucker's never played my record again, you know
Speaker 1: why it's worth it. Because I've had multiple people, multiple
Speaker 1: people't healyon call me and say yo, not call me
Speaker 1: on personally phone like DM me contact me and say, yo,
Speaker 1: chill you have I'm not on front. I was going
Speaker 1: through it. I was thinking about doing something stupid, right,
Speaker 1: killing myself, but what you said made me rethink it.
Speaker 1: And because you didn't glorify suicide. Who wouldn't kill yourself?
Speaker 1: If they say, yo, you're gonna be with forty virgins, Yo,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be amazing if you do that, long live you.
Speaker 1: If they know that that's the reaction to killing themselves,
Speaker 1: why the fuck wouldn't they do it? Shit, I might
Speaker 1: consider it, but if I know the reaction is, yo,
Speaker 1: you fucking idiot. You're selfish, You left your family, your
Speaker 1: deckay life is the most precious thing that you can have.
Speaker 1: Why would you do that? You dummy? It's gonna make
Speaker 1: you think differently. So that's what I do. I say, Yo,
Speaker 1: don't be a fucking junkie. I don't say, oh, it's okay,
Speaker 1: you're using drugs. Everybody go to the thing. No, don't
Speaker 1: be a fucking Junkie're gonna stink it be a bump.
Speaker 1: That's gonna make you be like, yeah, I'm not getting
Speaker 1: no pity from motherfuckers. And that's how I come from,
Speaker 1: And if I got to go through all this shit
Speaker 1: to stop three, four or five people from committing suicide
Speaker 1: and killing himself, that might be my purpose. That might
Speaker 1: be my fucking purpose. God might put me here to
Speaker 1: be their angel, and I gotta go through hell. Some
Speaker 1: motherfuckers could get to get to heavy. So my next
Speaker 1: question is when is you in Logic putting out the
Speaker 1: suicide prevention hotline sequel slash remix? Well, Logic did my suicide.
Speaker 1: You don't know the song, but no, he put out
Speaker 1: a record. I really don't be listening to people wrap
Speaker 1: you see what the type shit I'm talking about, Liz,
Speaker 1: what he did with He just put out suicide prevention song.
Speaker 1: But there's nothing wrong with that. That's good. That's a
Speaker 1: good thing. That's what we need more of. Not long
Speaker 1: live you when you commit suicode me ask you this, bro,
Speaker 1: Like you went through a couple of attempts on your life.
Speaker 1: The last one was what was on Christmas or Christmas Eve? Yep.
Speaker 1: And we've seen so many people die recently, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, we've lost a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the last since that since you know,
Speaker 1: since your situation A lot of people have passed. How
Speaker 1: did like, like how did that change your life? And
Speaker 1: make you like that did it change your life? Like
Speaker 1: did you have to reevaluate certain things? Certain ways you move,
Speaker 1: like being moving? You know, like how did that change?
Speaker 1: I think it's going for you only only like the
Speaker 1: music shit, like the whole urban plaza shit that made
Speaker 1: me re evaluate shit. But like, oh I've been I've
Speaker 1: been having attempts on my life before that. It just
Speaker 1: wasn't glorified because I wasn't an artist or a musician.
Speaker 1: So like I'm no stranger to streets. Shit, I'm no
Speaker 1: stranger to being shot. I've been shot before. I don't
Speaker 1: I was never glorifying and shit of talking about it
Speaker 1: in my in my raps. I was in shootouts when
Speaker 1: I was fifteen and I got shot, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that shit happens when you're coming out
Speaker 1: the streets. So I was always trying to get out
Speaker 1: the streets and the only thing that made me move different,
Speaker 1: Like you know, you always ice up and be more
Speaker 1: on point. But that's why it's like hard to say
Speaker 1: ship without you know what I mean. When you're on
Speaker 1: care you don't talk about it, but the music ship,
Speaker 1: when when that ship happened, when I'm I had to
Speaker 1: place the business, you know the fact, Yeah, that's exactly.
Speaker 1: You know how good you feel me? That's the fact. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember. But like when you're trying to do the
Speaker 1: right thing and you at work, you actually place of business,
Speaker 1: It's like how I think Drake Yo the Ruler Home
Speaker 1: Homeboy was like Yo, he work, Draco Jaco, he was,
Speaker 1: he was there to perform, went to work. The same
Speaker 1: thing with me. That's what I'm trying to say. If
Speaker 1: you're going and you're doing street ship, like even Christmas,
Speaker 1: I mean, the street environment is whatever. I could accept
Speaker 1: that after you're moving around in the head, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, farms parked in the southwell and you
Speaker 1: know the fucking undesirable grimmy neighborhoods, whatever. That ship come
Speaker 1: with that. But when I'm going to work, you don't
Speaker 1: expect that. When I'm going in a place of business
Speaker 1: showing to better my life, you don't expect that. You
Speaker 1: feel me. So that made me really move different and
Speaker 1: see shit totally different. So, like like I said, I've
Speaker 1: been going through street shit way before that. I don't
Speaker 1: talk about because I'm not one of these dumb people
Speaker 1: that incriminate themselves and all kind of shit. But that
Speaker 1: ain't that don't even sketch the surface. So and the
Speaker 1: reason why I'm here is God, God, I'm blessed, and
Speaker 1: my reaction is different. I'm not people watch too many movies.
Speaker 1: You see a lot of motherfuckers get shot and me
Speaker 1: falling on the floor. Oh, watching the fucking movies. When
Speaker 1: you get shot or to shoot somebody, whatever, you don't
Speaker 1: have to lay down and die. Dog. You can fight
Speaker 1: for your life even if you go, even if you're
Speaker 1: taking your last breaths, you make a choice to lay
Speaker 1: down and die. You feel me? Or are you paralyzed?
Speaker 1: Are you head tapped with you already dead? Whatever? No,
Speaker 1: you still even if you get shot in your fucking heart,
Speaker 1: you're still gonna have some a genuine left right. And
Speaker 1: that's what I chose. Fight or flight, And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: fight every time. I'm gonna get hold in my kids.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep getting to this money. You feel me,
Speaker 1: This's not gonna stop. I'm gonna keep dropping music. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna keep spreading the word the gospel like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep being blessed. And that's the type of man I am.
Speaker 1: And all of that speaks to my character from everything
Speaker 1: I said, I never have no hate towards anybody. I
Speaker 1: never dissed nobody for no reason. No, that's what suckers do.
Speaker 1: Suckers pick, Suckers start problems, real ones finish it. You
Speaker 1: feel me, I'm never gonna go out and just take
Speaker 1: a jab at you because you're doing something. So what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm the number one independent show me factors
Speaker 1: that prove different. And so even if I want to
Speaker 1: say it, so what's and that's why I'm here And
Speaker 1: I always flourish. So even after me going through everything
Speaker 1: and going through courts and losing people and having to
Speaker 1: get rid of a whole entourage, how I still level up.
Speaker 1: How I'll come out and have twenty five times more
Speaker 1: than what I had at that time. You supposed to
Speaker 1: fall and it be nothing and left you' supposed to
Speaker 1: be done. Bro, I'm just I'm literally sitting here talking
Speaker 1: about I lost over one hundred and fifty thousand, and
Speaker 1: I ain't lose it, not gonna wear I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna fight it in the airport right there, I ain't
Speaker 1: run out of here like a yo. You gonna find
Speaker 1: my shit. I know I got my health. Fuck it,
Speaker 1: I'll get it back, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: that speaks to my character and that's why I'm different,
Speaker 1: and I'm just not laying shit shit don't bother me
Speaker 1: no more. It's whatever. Everything I'm gonna say and do.
Speaker 1: I stand on the Bible, on God. And if you
Speaker 1: got a problem with me, take it up with God.
Speaker 1: I bet you won't. Would you do a sequel to
Speaker 1: New York City album because that's my favorite project? Yeah? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be It's gonna be telling the right way,
Speaker 1: like I'm about to drop bricks in my backpack full.
Speaker 1: That's one of the best pitch, one of the best
Speaker 1: series ever. Sure you know what I'm saying. I'm doing
Speaker 1: POT four. I got the artwork and everything, but I
Speaker 1: don't just do shit. You're not gonna hit nobody on
Speaker 1: New York City the album that don't fit right that
Speaker 1: you you would? You would never hear that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So if I'm doing a record like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it, but whatever, But I just
Speaker 1: want to be clear it's different types of music, and
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with putting people in groups. And when
Speaker 1: we start jumbling and ship, that's where you get people
Speaker 1: who can say, well, you shouldn't have like, there's no
Speaker 1: way in hell that anybody removing personal feelings aside should
Speaker 1: be like choy have is wrong for doing this or
Speaker 1: doing that? How how sway? How? How keV? How? How's
Speaker 1: he wrong? Even asks sway? You can ask sway and
Speaker 1: be like how sway? Well, you know you're right, but
Speaker 1: you can't do that in public? That's how sway? Why
Speaker 1: can't I do that shit in public? Why can I?
Speaker 1: Why can't I spread the word of God and stand
Speaker 1: on God in public? You would have got canceled in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, that shit would have came out. They can't.
Speaker 1: They can't fucking cancel my I'm uncancellable because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: still get money. My goal is not to be popular.
Speaker 1: My goal is to have the most popular money. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I wouldn't be the most like
Speaker 1: want to have the most biggest bag. I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you man, have you? Have you? Uh? Have
Speaker 1: you and Hove ain't talked at all? Is there any
Speaker 1: any ye me h ain't straight. So you guys have yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys like was like it was like that whole
Speaker 1: Dame energy man. It was like that, you know. And
Speaker 1: and I'm real tight with Hope still and obviously that
Speaker 1: was kind of one of the more disappointed things that
Speaker 1: had transpired out of that situation was to see you know,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the breakup of BSB, it kind of
Speaker 1: felt like, well, I mean, I mean, you got to
Speaker 1: look at the facts again, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm only going deal with facts. If somebody
Speaker 1: tell the truth, there's nothing wrong with that telling the truth.
Speaker 1: You got to ask yourself why did that happen? You
Speaker 1: got to look at it and see why, why why
Speaker 1: did it happen? So you guys are cool now, though,
Speaker 1: How the convers Like how that first conversation go, because
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's been a while. We just kicking it
Speaker 1: about some other business that that you know, we we
Speaker 1: had some other shit we had to settle. So it
Speaker 1: just went from there. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: just like we got history, history, lifeg time. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: you know, I was just I was most so disappointed
Speaker 1: in them that in him that Yo, he didn't he
Speaker 1: didn't stay with me. How I would have still with him? Like,
Speaker 1: no matter what, I'm not letting nothing. If I hear
Speaker 1: shots go off and you anywhere in the vicinity twenty blocks,
Speaker 1: I'm getting to you no matter what you feel me,
Speaker 1: I'm not like, no matter what, I'm looking for you.
Speaker 1: That's how. That's how I'm moving with my peoples because
Speaker 1: I'm militant like that. And I got real love like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So that I was mostly disappointed,
Speaker 1: like damn, dug, you do me like that after everything?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And then so and that's
Speaker 1: that should be the question that everybody asks. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: it was other people there that you know sometimes motherfuckers,
Speaker 1: we act different in fight or flight. I'm always fight right,
Speaker 1: but it's all about being on man. Shit. It was
Speaker 1: other people there that they took flight, but they came back. Yo, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna hold you man. I was scared. I
Speaker 1: was scared of my nigga. I love you, yo know
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but y'all yo, I've never been on ship.
Speaker 1: And then you know what I accepted. I embrace it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just gotta say you're wrong, and apologies could
Speaker 1: fix it if there's history there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But some things you you owe more than that. So
Speaker 1: when yeah, I feel like you guys are like brothers, man,
Speaker 1: that's the fact. That's the fact, My my god child
Speaker 1: and all that. So it's like real, ship, it's like
Speaker 1: you gotta ask, so say you out. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you got brothers, but I know you got all right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the fact. But let's say you got your wife.
Speaker 1: If you go out with your wife and you in
Speaker 1: the supermarket and she said, Keathy, can you go over
Speaker 1: the owl give me some milk and whatever, and then
Speaker 1: you hear some shots go off and ship should her
Speaker 1: What would you do? Now, I'm not telling what would
Speaker 1: you do. I'm making sure she's no matter what right exactly.
Speaker 1: So when that person didn't do that, there's no excuses
Speaker 1: for that. It's like, come on, because you were tight
Speaker 1: like that, I would do that for you. We tight
Speaker 1: like that, like for real, for real, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So when that happens, it's just like and
Speaker 1: you didn't realize that until you it saw Vidy when
Speaker 1: I was in. When I was in jail, I was
Speaker 1: because they kept telling me like they was right there,
Speaker 1: right there. I'm like, how you was right there? Because
Speaker 1: it was only me trying to take that was the first.
Speaker 1: It was only me trying to pick up Bangos body.
Speaker 1: It's only it's mad videos that you don't see. It's
Speaker 1: me and Black We're trying to pick up bang a body.
Speaker 1: And well basically me, Black had to do something else.
Speaker 1: But when you're telling me you right there, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: in jail in a wheelchair like this, You're like, nah,
Speaker 1: it was right there. Like if if if he just
Speaker 1: came clean off rip and then said it, I'd have
Speaker 1: been you know what, you my nigga, Fuck it got scared.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's move on from here. It don't make
Speaker 1: it happen again, or I know how to move with you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But it's still loved there.
Speaker 1: But it's like the lion part that that made it bad,
Speaker 1: Like yo, I was there, No the fuck he wasn't
Speaker 1: there because if you was dead, you would have seen
Speaker 1: me struggling with my man body while he's dying, trying
Speaker 1: to pick him up. So don't tell me that. So
Speaker 1: those are the things that people don't see. They don't
Speaker 1: see all of that. They just see the the ending. Yo,
Speaker 1: choy avers bugging and he's cutting off people. No, I'm
Speaker 1: doing shit for a reason. I'm saying this about Kendrick
Speaker 1: Lamar because he said this about New York. This came
Speaker 1: after I'm saying this about Joey Bad because he took
Speaker 1: shots at me and had his and brought his man
Speaker 1: into it. So I said, let's let me respond and
Speaker 1: bring some more of your man's into it. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm not fucking with the BSB people
Speaker 1: or some of them that was there because they did this.
Speaker 1: I feel like they left me for dead. They didn't
Speaker 1: react and then it wasn't No. I was scared, Yo,
Speaker 1: I apologize, you know what I mean? Like how we
Speaker 1: do y'all did some pussy shit I can't front. Did
Speaker 1: has Hop like acknowledge that at least to you? No,
Speaker 1: it was like what's in this that they ain't had
Speaker 1: to be saved? Would you would you ever work with
Speaker 1: him again? Yeah? I mean yeah I will. It's just
Speaker 1: like as you as you grow and you just learning shit,
Speaker 1: just be different. Man. It's like a lot of times
Speaker 1: I had put in music, I put personal ship, so
Speaker 1: like I put I put whole ving on like that
Speaker 1: was my man from the hoods and he's killing it
Speaker 1: right now. We sold drugs together and you know I
Speaker 1: put them on like yo, here, come on here, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna believe in you any situation I had, even like
Speaker 1: I said in a in a record, like when I
Speaker 1: had my first uh uh management deal through Butch Lewis,
Speaker 1: I say, your but I'm gonna come to get with you,
Speaker 1: but I need you to pay my people's who been
Speaker 1: who been with me since they won. Nobody's doing that.
Speaker 1: I got them checks knowing that them checks come out
Speaker 1: of my money. You feel me. I got both of
Speaker 1: them checked him and K cash shot to K cash
Speaker 1: just he was just at my condo the other day.
Speaker 1: But I got them checks like I always bring my
Speaker 1: people and put with them all are you Are you
Speaker 1: proud to see like what Helbing's doing right now though,
Speaker 1: because he's he's doing stuff, I'm keep it a buck man.
Speaker 1: I don't be like I don't be like looking at
Speaker 1: ship at all. Bro, I don't. I'm not a nosy nigga.
Speaker 1: Like the only time I started following like different ship.
Speaker 1: Like at one time, I just don't follow everybody because
Speaker 1: I didn't want to see ship. I was just like
Speaker 1: fuck it. I was upset. I an't give a fuck
Speaker 1: about no music ship. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: don't want to see because it was all fake to
Speaker 1: me all of a sudden, you feel me. It was
Speaker 1: like the person who just get rid of all the
Speaker 1: pictures in the house. I don't fuck with them. Happened
Speaker 1: so and then I'm not nosy where I'm going snooping around.
Speaker 1: If it ain't in your peripheral, you're not. I got
Speaker 1: I got real life ship to do. I got real businesses,
Speaker 1: I got real I got a real life going on.
Speaker 1: I'm really a full time dad, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I'm really get into the bag and it shows,
Speaker 1: so you can't get to the bag. I feel like
Speaker 1: watching everyone else's bag. It's hard to eat. If you're
Speaker 1: looking at somebody else's plate, you're gonna keep missing your
Speaker 1: mouth facts. So that's real shit. Like I don't know
Speaker 1: if you tell me like you're saying, like yo, junk code,
Speaker 1: that's what up? Like more power soon, I'm whatever, And
Speaker 1: I saw the vision. Like I said, I set all
Speaker 1: that off, you know what I mean? So like whatever,
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't watch face like like they
Speaker 1: were saying, Brooklyn, something you've been watching face at all?
Speaker 1: That I feel like is probably like proven itself to
Speaker 1: be a hey, maybe try was on to something. Is
Speaker 1: that the Streets is a myth. First of all, this
Speaker 1: podcast is a miss myth because why the funk you
Speaker 1: bought me a seven eleven pure water? Well, because you're
Speaker 1: drinking is sentu. I wouldn't do him like that. I
Speaker 1: would not do learn this first of all. Look at
Speaker 1: the pH levels on that water. The pH levels I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do like that. No, that's is this alkalom water? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we n we drink thatt water with limit. Listen, bro,
Speaker 1: this is when I'm going to seven eleven. I'm buying nose. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's why I got myself another. I gotta get my gallon.
Speaker 1: Is I'm just this guy? So yeah, but the Streets
Speaker 1: is a mythship Like I do feel like we've been
Speaker 1: like like, man, this is this rap shit and like
Speaker 1: just kind of like the perception of like you know,
Speaker 1: we were talking about the Jacksonville shiit earlier, we were like,
Speaker 1: there's so many people just ending up in jail, bro,
Speaker 1: like for just trying to, I don't know, keep keep
Speaker 1: up their perception or keep it quote unquote real. I
Speaker 1: think that that part doing ship and going to jail,
Speaker 1: that part is not a myth. The myth is was
Speaker 1: supposed to happen. Oh, the rules after that was supposed
Speaker 1: to happen. So if somebody killed, if somebody, if somebody
Speaker 1: goes to jail, you're supposed too to take care of
Speaker 1: their family, their lawyers all with you, their whole new Dang,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do that. You're never supposed to try
Speaker 1: to fuck your homeboys girls ever. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If somebody killed your homies, you're supposed to go in
Speaker 1: fucking to be killing them, right. That's why you see
Speaker 1: me on on my case is to get back motherfucker's
Speaker 1: shot me killed my best friend, and you see me
Speaker 1: going to get to get back right there. That's what
Speaker 1: it is. It's self defense. It's self defense, like motherfucker
Speaker 1: used to. You don't see that from people. You see
Speaker 1: motherfuckers dying and then they just be it. Whether it
Speaker 1: be people in the streets or whether it be artists,
Speaker 1: friends that die whatever. Like in the hood, you see
Speaker 1: people that die and then tim will pass and they'll
Speaker 1: be like getting money with the people who has something
Speaker 1: to do with to death. I'm not getting money with
Speaker 1: a friend of yours or cousin or family member. It's
Speaker 1: all open season on whoever's associated with that. If they
Speaker 1: if you, if you kill somebody that I love it is,
Speaker 1: whoever you love it, that's a fact. Until you going
Speaker 1: so like you see that all the time. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, the real shit. Everybody want to pet
Speaker 1: the line until he shows teeth, right, So like you
Speaker 1: see it time and time again. How many rappers gotta
Speaker 1: die and then people that killed them and still living
Speaker 1: and lefting and going on about their business. How many
Speaker 1: times in the streets motherfuckers gotta die and then the
Speaker 1: people that killed them. It's still around. The hood is
Speaker 1: small you twenty block radius, You're still out. You're going
Speaker 1: to the same parties. Oh nah, it's hot. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna crash out. You can't be in the club with
Speaker 1: somebody that kills your homie. Yo, I'm not gonna crash
Speaker 1: out now. But then your love ain't that strong? It
Speaker 1: because in the hood, it teaches you you deal with
Speaker 1: everything on site, don't fucking play or is that a myth?
Speaker 1: Is that only that it sound good coming out of
Speaker 1: your mouth. It only sounds good coming out of the
Speaker 1: mouth for people who ain't gonna do it. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: the actual ain't gonna do it. Applying yourself to that coach.
Speaker 1: So that's my fault for taking shit literal. I'm taking
Speaker 1: shit literal like Yo and rap. It's no rules. Jay
Speaker 1: Z threw the fucking condom on the on the back seat,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. The locks was sorry missus Jackson,
Speaker 1: like all types of disrespect for shit. But then when
Speaker 1: I get in and I do it, whoa whoa? Hold on,
Speaker 1: that's too much I come from. If somebody try to
Speaker 1: take your life or they kill when your people, you
Speaker 1: go at them immediately, right whoa whoa choy avags reckless
Speaker 1: and dangerous. He's shooting up a club and no kind
Speaker 1: of shit. Whoa. Okay, So this ship is a myth.
Speaker 1: All this shit is fake, But that's why the sucker
Speaker 1: is beginning to elevate. You know what I mean, A
Speaker 1: good thing. By the grace of God. I'm still paid.
Speaker 1: Like I was saying earlier, I feel like you've still
Speaker 1: been putting music out, but I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: new energy where I feel like you're kind of like
Speaker 1: back dug in. Is that is that fair to say?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like twenty twenty two like just like
Speaker 1: I feel like you're like back to like really applying
Speaker 1: yourself to your music ship Like yeah, you say you
Speaker 1: weren't like you'll put it out, but it wasn't like
Speaker 1: the energy was different, Like it was just kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're just gonna put some shit out and
Speaker 1: see what it does. And it was just really I
Speaker 1: was rinning upstreams Are you like back on your Are
Speaker 1: you like back in? That's a fact. I'm back in
Speaker 1: on it as as much as I can be, Like
Speaker 1: I'm taking it. I take it more seriously to tell
Speaker 1: me that I do it so like I'm not a
Speaker 1: person that ever caused a hundred songs and then I
Speaker 1: picked the best way. Wow, I just feel like six album.
Speaker 1: I always tell everybody like, man, Troy Ave, you know,
Speaker 1: I was such I still am a big fan, but man,
Speaker 1: I was one of your biggest fucking supporters, and I
Speaker 1: always felt like you you need to support my shit
Speaker 1: more and play it when you on ninety two three, man,
Speaker 1: I know you gotta you could you know what I tied? Man,
Speaker 1: I know I'm not from the West Coast, but in
Speaker 1: terms of just like I just I felt like as
Speaker 1: a as an artist, I just assumed you were gonna
Speaker 1: have a million platinum records because like you have a
Speaker 1: knack for writing like fucking hooks, bro, and you're like
Speaker 1: an amazing songwriter, grated melodies like so I'm plattinum in
Speaker 1: the streets. I feel like after I feel like after
Speaker 1: everything happened to Irving Plaza and like you know, the
Speaker 1: crew disbanded, like it just it just it just never
Speaker 1: felt that like like I feel like the last couple
Speaker 1: of years at least it's felt like your choice the rapping.
Speaker 1: But like is he still like care about this ship
Speaker 1: type ship? You know what I'm saying, My owns my
Speaker 1: own's like being tired. It ain't much I could do,
Speaker 1: like promoting in different ship like that. So my heart
Speaker 1: wasn't in it to make those album until now, until
Speaker 1: now your last year killer be killed that I dropped
Speaker 1: got his great paper straight ship like that, like those
Speaker 1: are like projects like real Those are like New York City.
Speaker 1: The album made you without the deal real projects. But
Speaker 1: before it was just like, let me put this ship
Speaker 1: out run up streams. And that came from when I
Speaker 1: came home from jail. I couldn't go do no shows
Speaker 1: I could do now. I was on house rest, right,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, you know what, let me just drop
Speaker 1: ship just to get to coming in. Once you started
Speaker 1: doing that, it just became a habit, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then yes, you were. Instead of dropping
Speaker 1: music for the passion and being like I want to
Speaker 1: put out a classic album, I was dropping music just
Speaker 1: to add to my cabin, help them up. It was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was reconcenting that was passionate and ship
Speaker 1: like that. But I never gave it my old because
Speaker 1: I got a whole lot of other shit going on.
Speaker 1: Now I know how to. I don't know if the
Speaker 1: word is compartmentalized where I could. Yeah, Hey, it's hard
Speaker 1: to like split up your bandwidth when you're doing so much.
Speaker 1: Now now now I lock in, I'll be like, yo,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna focus on this album. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing shit for two weeks, but doing this album, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna focus and knock it out, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And then that's what I just got a schedule now
Speaker 1: where I'm like, like I really finally less than a
Speaker 1: month ago. I always said I was gonna do it
Speaker 1: in my head, but now I wrote it down. Like, Yo, listen,
Speaker 1: you're gonna drop four projects a year. One is gonna
Speaker 1: be White Christmas. That to come out December January. That'd
Speaker 1: be number one in March, four months later, you're dropping
Speaker 1: another project. In June, you dropping another project, you drop
Speaker 1: another project, boom, and then you drop three singles a
Speaker 1: year and you go from there and you drop in quality.
Speaker 1: But like before, I can't do that before, Like guys
Speaker 1: are gonna tell you I come with my album. He yo, yo,
Speaker 1: my album's done. Hey, I want to put it out
Speaker 1: in two weeks. You know what I'm saying, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just no rollout, just roll out to roll out,
Speaker 1: just put it out. The people people who are following,
Speaker 1: they're gonna listen, they gonna stream and they not the
Speaker 1: provate way, but you know it's profitable. But yeah, I'm backing.
Speaker 1: I'm back more like focusing with it. Man. I just
Speaker 1: feel good, Like like I said, and God is Great
Speaker 1: in my Paper Straight well on bricks on my backpack
Speaker 1: for I would love to hear someone from Grizelda on there.
Speaker 1: That'd be nice. That's yeah, that's why I with a
Speaker 1: fuck with Bennie the Butcher. I actually spoke to them like,
Speaker 1: damn Ship of the Day. I'm gonna get them on
Speaker 1: something for breaks my bag on some coke crap ship
Speaker 1: that'd be nice. Breaks my back of you definitely. But
Speaker 1: even if you listen to all the music, my music
Speaker 1: is like, no, I know it's not what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that series. That's why I mentioned that particular. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do every everything. It's gonna be like, it's gonna make
Speaker 1: sense where it fits. It's not just gonna be for
Speaker 1: no reason. Some people do it for it gotta fit that,
Speaker 1: gotta fair. Everything gotta fit people. Hey, So go go
Speaker 1: stream that. You got you got the stream on what
Speaker 1: I look at one of the the cameras, whatever, Go stream
Speaker 1: God is Great, Paper Straight, and Killer Be Killed. Four
Speaker 1: projects coming there. That's the fact. God is Great, Paper Straight,
Speaker 1: Killer Be Killed. I'm impeccable. Matter of fact, don't stream it.
Speaker 1: Fuck that go by the iTunes bias We're not website
Speaker 1: for the Merchant God is great paper Straight dot com,
Speaker 1: but you could go to Choe app dot com. It's
Speaker 1: just one of those go get everything to twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two season project. It'll be out by the time y'all
Speaker 1: see this that's coming this month. The Yeah, it's coming
Speaker 1: in January twenty first. Oh ship, so that's like next week. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's coming immediately post boom. There it is pause, super
Speaker 1: pause all right, and Troy, I appreciate you pulling up brother,
Speaker 1: Thank you perfect for having me. Kell