WEBVTT - #134 - Troy Ave 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:07.480 It's the Boulet cav podcast. Yeah, bit you welcome that 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:12.840 Tony track bee god for said man. All right, well, listen, 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:20.000 I want to shout out to Troy Ave. Dope boy. 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:25.079 Troy was on the podcast. I've known Troy very very well. 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:29.080 Him and I been. Uh we're not as close as 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.800 we were, that's for sure, but uh, you know, for 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:33.760 for a time there, me and Troy were really locked 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.760 in for some years. Shout out to Troy Ave had 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.199 him come on the podcast. Talked about some of the 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.280 things that you know, you've been heavily criticized about for 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.919 a while. Definitely stayed away from too much of the 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.040 open case talk. You'll notice he went to another podcast 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.760 and really talked about that shit. I was I want 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.080 no part of that talk. Stayed away from the tax 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.600 stone talk and want no part of that talk. But 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.640 talked about like some of the issues he's had with 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:05.800 his old management, whether or not he regrets dissing capital 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.840 st z rip uh, and just what he's got going 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.720 on right now. So Dope conversation with Troy av shots 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.679 who are good folks at odd socks go to odd 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.280 Socksofficial dot com. Support us by supporting odd Socks because 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.000 they're family. All right, you're gonna use that keyword, that 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:25.440 promo code Bootleg at checkout at save twenty percent off 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.120 the most comfortable socks in the world. 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I'm blessed, Bro, 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.800 God is good in the paper shape. I'm really blessed. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.120 I can't front besides the fact that I fucking might 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.919 have left on my jury and airport, I'm really good. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:12.160 And it looks like you still have a lot of 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.160 jewelry on right now. But I mean it is, but 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.240 it ain't like I had like everything. I had my 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.760 big beers, we chained. I had my fucking you left 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:21.960 that on the plane. I left me. When I got 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:23.640 over the plane, I went to put my hoodie on, 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.400 and I took I took the hoodie out and I 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.080 had to take it out to get to my hoodie. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.800 Oh hell no, I'm just like, I'm fucking stressed. How 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.600 much money potentially could you have lost if no one 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.320 turned that in? Oh my gosh, bro I didn't even 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.919 want to begin to count. But one of the changes 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.960 is the big new bus down that I bought is 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:52.240 like fifty five piece, twenty five another forty sixty five 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:58.160 honey something. Then I had some rings, then I had 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:02.360 some bracelets. Oh my god, why travel? Why travel with 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.240 all of that? Though? I got a fucking video shoots, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.280 oh videos Like I'm not just like, I'm not like 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.640 the president. I don't walk around wearing Joey over the 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.720 time for no reason. That sh is like I don't 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.400 give a fuck about jury. But like I was gonna 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.160 be having a video, I gotta go. I'm hosting a party, 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.480 just ship like that, you know what I'm saying, and 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.880 it's fun. This shit sucks. I'm like, well hopefully hopefully, 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.560 I mean whatever. At the end of the day, it's 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.639 just money. Long as you got your health, it's whatever. 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.000 They get it back tenfold, you know what I'm saying. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.080 So like I'm I'm tripping a body now, like fuck, 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.120 because it's happening right now. Maybe I'm a God loved me. 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.000 Literally just happened. Literally just happened, putting on a fucking 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.840 hoodie because it was cold and and ship. But I'm 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.800 just like, fuck, I don't know minutes it should be good. 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:51.680 God loved me should always seem to work out for me. 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.800 So that is true. Man, what have you been up to? 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:56.560 I know you've ben dropping music, but like, just tell 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.280 me what new album, new album out? God is great 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.200 the paper new album out right now. It's doing very well, 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.080 you know what I'm saying. It was charted number one independent, 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:11.320 number four for just hip hop overall. I didn't drop 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.720 White Christmas this year, but I'm actually gonna I turn 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:21.000 whenever I would do White Christmas year. Yeah crazy remember 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.760 the first one? You feel me? Yeah, So like we 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:28.080 on now now. But it just always felt like it 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.000 felt old to me when I would do promoting a 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:35.719 project in January, that's Christmas February, you feel me. So 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.240 what I did now was I turned White Christmas into 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.600 it's gonna be called like the twenty twenty two season, 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.720 and it's kind of like I went close. When you now, 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.719 when you're in the NBA or whatever and you start 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:49.680 talking about your new season, things you about to do, 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.640 new Year's resolutions, just getting to it, like you know 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.280 what I'm saying, new plans, different shit like that. But 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.240 that's all my people. That's that's go getters and hustlers 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.120 like me, and they just gonna get to it. Yo, 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:01.760 this is our new season. This is what we're doing 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:05.480 right now, and that'll take over as White Christmas. It'll 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.040 come out in December. This one is gonna come out 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.640 in January, but it'd come out every December and just 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.159 you know, I'll say a prayer blessed people, and we 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.279 just go from there. So the twenty twenty two season 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.719 is a new project that's coming down. I feel like you, like, 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.359 still been putting out music, still been active, but I 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.400 feel like music hasn't really been like your focal point 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.240 in life. For a while, as far as like it's 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.120 there because you're putting it out, but as far as 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.120 like I feel like you're not really interested in being 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.000 a part of the rap game anymore, if that makes sense. 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.480 I got a big single called The weather Man out 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.159 that's been getting good traction, you know what I'm saying. 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.720 They playing it old on it on the East Coast 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.320 a lot. On I noticed like recently, you're like starting 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.960 to dip your toe back into like you know, doing shit, 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.479 doing shit that. Like you know, I've been rapper shit 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.360 kel I really ain't. I really like music. Wasn't never 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.040 like my only focal point, you know what I'm saying, 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:03.599 Because like I was always been independent, so I never 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:07.320 really liked I never really liked trusting in it one 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.080 hundred percent, you feel me. So I always was doing 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.640 other businesses, Like anytime I got first rap money, I 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.240 started like buying real real estate and shit like that. Yeah, 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.599 just in case, because life is full of disappointments, you 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.680 know what I'm saying. But if you're prepare it for it, 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.440 then it's just a disappointment could turn into a lesson. 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.840 So I always never liked being on it on it 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:29.880 like that, but like, you know, it's just happened to 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.000 be something I'm good at, and it was in It's 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.360 another hustle way to get money. If I could, If 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.360 I could sell bottles of water and make as much 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.960 money and get up whenever I went, I wouldn't do music. 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.760 I sell bottles of water. So, like, I definitely got 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.039 a bunch of different other business interests or whatever. And 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.840 by the grace of God, this ship been working out. Man. 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.160 So what is like your biggest piece of the pie 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.400 as far as like your income, is it the real estate? 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.479 May I broke? Baby? Don't do me like that. No. Oh, 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.080 as far as like I don't tell how much? You 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:02.960 tell me where you're getting the most money in twenty 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.400 I give money from different different things. I got. I 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:09.040 got cargo Van's, I got old, I got merchandise. The 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.160 merchandise is crazy, got his great taper shape. The merch 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.880 game is nuts. Like you say a lot of merch man, Yeah, 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.680 I say a lot of merch make a lot. You've 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.640 always been been pretty big on the merch Yeah. Before 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.480 it was like a thing, right, But now I got 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:22.960 the hang of the hang of it. Before it was 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.560 like freestyling, just figuring it out a little bit. But 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.640 now it's like you gotta think, if say is like 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.960 a couple of people in his room, if everybody bothers 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.440 my album for ten dollars, that'll only be sixty bucks 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.120 or whatever you said for sixty dollars. Oh, I sell 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.640 hats for two fifty, you know what I'm saying. And 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.080 people go people, I just I just feel a one 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.480 thousand dollars order. People get fifteen worth shit. They just 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.119 buy mad shit, you know what I'm saying. That's even 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.240 better than sometimes somebody come to see you and pay 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.920 fifty dollars at the show, and then that shit lasts 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:54.240 with them, you know what I mean. So like the 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:58.000 music is a gateway to connect with your people, and 0:07:58.040 --> 0:07:59.920 then it's like they want to get more and more. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.760 So I sell fucking aprons, you know what I mean, 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.920 for people cooking during the holidays or every day, like 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.560 I'm about to sell candles and no kind of ship. 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.720 I got old kind of shit I'm doing. You know, 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.480 I'm writing a movie. I'm gonna sell movies like okay, yeah, 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.760 so I just been staying busy man, Yeah, I mean, 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:20.880 what do you think, Like Jerry got me pissed. Bro. 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.200 I'm like, Yo, this is whack. You gotta got an update. No, 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.600 we wait, it's gonna happen. We get an updated, Jerry, 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:33.800 that's a mission back to that airport too, fucking man. Whatever, Man, 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.800 it's gonna work out. Y'all gotta go back there. We 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.000 gotta go back right like you got it. It's like 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.160 when your call get told you had your car told 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.600 you go at the empty spot. I have my car 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.280 toad three times last month, Bro, that's why because where 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.840 I live. Oh, you didn't learn from see. I used 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.640 to always get my shit told. I like needed to 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:55.240 have it so passed, and like I be, you violated 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.120 to make sure to happen, and you just did it. Yeah. 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.120 I was just like many Well, they had like swapped 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.560 out the security. The old security was cool, they didn't 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:03.599 give a fuck. Then they hired a new company and 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.160 they just kept holling. My sh I was so high. 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.439 I go. You just get comfortable with breaking the rules 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.760 and it just keeps going. I know how to fuck 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.400 it goes eight hundred later, three three trips to an 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.760 en pounds. That's nuts. And my wife pissed of course, Yeah, 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:17.600 because he just waste some money. That shit just flushed 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:22.040 down the totally what to get your call back? That's crazy. Yeah, man, 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.040 how are you doing? Just in general though, like I 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.160 feel like, you know, like I'm going if you're very 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.960 active on social media. Yeah, you were doing the podcast. 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:32.440 I don't know if you're still doing it. I know 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.400 you're not doing it as often as you were doing it. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.200 That was like a pandemic thing, you know. We okay, 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.240 we found time to do a lot of shit during 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.880 the pandemic and it was good. It's so like I'm like, 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:43.840 you know me, you know, I like to fuck with 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.320 people who are fucked with and like I really fuck 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.000 with my supporters and my fans, Like I really if 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.400 you take time to spend some money with me some 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.319 type of way when you don't have to. I really 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.319 showed genuine love. So instead of people ask me about 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.040 what I feel about this, so that through a DM 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.040 or whatever I sell, just put it out. You can 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.560 ask me questions, I'll turn into a podcast. But like 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.360 once outside open back up, then you know, like the 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.079 rest of real life start happening and ship, So you 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:11.520 know what I mean. I got to take my kids 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.040 to school instead of on a fucking tablet. So like 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:15.679 I got ship to do, you know what I mean, 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.520 And it was just a lot, but I'm definitely gonna 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.679 start jump starting it again because I've been in talks 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.319 with a company to have my ship like aired on 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.880 a on a on a on a platform, you know 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.640 what I'm saying, and where I don't have to do 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.320 Like you see, you got a production team. I got 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.360 that ship, like I got that broad caster, I got 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.480 the it's me, it's me recording it, it's me editing it. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.280 Like that ship is a lot, you feel me? So 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.480 like now like you got the two cameras, I had 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.199 a fun you got three cameras. I had two cameras, 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:45.920 and I'm like, man, it switch it back and forths 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.199 too much. I made it one camera, so like when 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:49.920 you gotta do a lot of that ship is just 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.280 like you, I could be doing other ship with my 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.360 time to like because with me, tom is really money, 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.080 you feel me, So we spend I spent my time 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.800 doing this, I could be taking it and doing other shit, 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.760 getting to a different bag. So that's why I was 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.080 at That's why I'm at with it right now. Talk 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.520 to me about like you know, there was like a 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:15.120 point in time where twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, you're the 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:19.839 hottest shit moving in New York, like, uh, everyone and 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.160 their moms offering you record deals. Was I know that 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.480 there was a lot of money on the table. They 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.480 wasn't good. I'm gonna let you. I just mean, like 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:30.760 I remember, like you know, talking to whole Vane back 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:32.440 then and be like, man, everyone's trying to sign us 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.280 right now, but we need this to even like think 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.840 about doing it. They were. They were trying to sign 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.360 us on some some homeboys shit, like trying to sign 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.040 us for free like grand So I thought that might 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.920 have happened, Like how you know it didn't? That didn't. 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.200 It was like I told tivy'all want two million dollars. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:51.560 You know what I'm saying. He said, what you want 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.400 someone too millny dollars And he was trying to give 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.320 me like less and then saying, you know, let's go 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.720 to the label and get I'm like, and you you 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.520 got it, just give it to me. So I would 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.360 do if I want a artist, I'm just give them 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.320 the bread. So like I always believe in myself and 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.480 I never want to be tied down and restraints saying, 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:12.000 you know, like the worst fear or like just growing 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.760 up seeing people on music getting signed and getting shelfed, 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.200 and he just boxed in. So I would never, like, 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.880 I always a bet on myself, Like man, unless it's 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.960 something crazy like that, I don't million dollars. It feel 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:24.760 me like I didn't have two million dollars at the time. 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.800 I had hundreds of thousands of dollars. So you can't 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.000 offer me hundreds of thousands because I already got it, 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.280 you know what I'm saying. So unless somebody make you 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:33.880 like the Mob, I'm gonna make you a deal. You 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.440 can't refuse that. I was like, yo, two million dollars 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.480 because I know I never go broke again if you 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.280 give me that. If you're turned two to ten, you 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.600 felt exactly. That's why I knew, Yo, if I got 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.840 that Freshman cover, I was gonna make a million dollars 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.560 and I'll take it to the top. But I know 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.200 if you get two million dollars in life and you're hustler, 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.120 you'll never go broke again. But you know he didn't, 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.240 uh whatever reason that that didn't happen, And like I 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.520 was just I wasn't never signed off for no shit 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.120 that I didn't that I had already. It made no 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.000 sense because I knew I would work. I knew I 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.400 would make myself get get my own opportunities. And you know, 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.840 like even like all I wanted out of rap was 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.840 I wanted a building, I wanted a Ferrari, and I 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:17.120 wanted a goal a gold record, and I fucking got 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.560 all three of those. Yeah, that's crazy. That's all I 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.160 ever wanted out of out of music. The gold record 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.040 came like like I wanted to after but I got. 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:26.840 She belonged to the game, right, she belongs to the 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.560 Games on his way to platinum. That's crazy, straight up, 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.320 like really independent, you know what I'm saying? What was 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.439 like the situation that you were closest to like signing 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:40.160 with and that during that time everyone was everyone was 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.719 trying to sign you, bro, like everybody they would if 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.040 you I feel like, if you're trying to sound somebody, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.640 I feel like if you capture, if you really chunk 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.760 as well, if you really trying to sound somebody, just 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.320 give them what they want. Man, you feel me so 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:57.160 like I want to say, it wasn't no situation. I 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.000 like to if, like with all artists, just know who 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:01.920 you getting in bed with. You know what I'm saying, 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.360 Like I'm saying with anybody, just don't be so quick 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.600 to be like, yo, yeah, I hold lot, I want 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.120 to sign. I want to just now, just make sure 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.160 that you know you're gonna get everything that you want 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.680 or it's not worth it if you're a real hustler, 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.680 and like if you this is what I don't understand. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.120 I understand when people talk a bunch of goot money 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.160 ship and they music, you know what I'm saying, and 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:26.000 then they turn around and they signed to somebody and 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.280 then they rely on that person to give them everything 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.840 to come up or you know what I'm saying, That 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.200 happens a lot because then it's like you're not really 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.360 a hustler or everything you talking about was cap or 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.360 if you sign to somebody and then you don't and 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.080 then in turn you sound for like you sound for peanuts. 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.120 But if you're gonna sound for peanuts, make sure you're 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:46.880 getting a bunch of shit on the back end. Yeah, 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.280 you gotta have actually like good structure dealer, because you 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:50.880 know you're gonna have to whatever you get signed for, 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:52.120 you're gonna pay it. You're gonna have to pay that 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.800 money back. I knew I was gonna make whatever money 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.000 back because all my projects is always in the black, 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.160 no matter what I got my in house production, I 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.360 produce a right, I record do all my shit. So 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.760 while there's not a lot of feeling overhead, it cost 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.760 somebody else fucking two hundred and fifty thousand to make 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.880 an album and it cost me ten thousand, and it's 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:15.840 just gonna be just as fire. The only thing that's 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.480 gonna suffer is the marketing dollars, and not for the 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.880 lack of money, just the lack of resources, not having 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.040 the right people, you know, because motherfuckers come here to 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.240 promote their projects and ship they albums. You know what 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.880 I'm saying. I'm on here because you know you my man, 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.960 and you know I got a little little bit of clout. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.680 But just imagine all the other people who don't have that. 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.800 They got just as good music, right, but they don't 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.560 have the access they get to a bootleg keV or 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.680 to go wherever they want to go to. So you know, 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.720 I just thank god I got good relationships and I'm 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.880 not scared of hard work. You just put a sign 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.640 out a soldier boy. Oh yeah, Draco's and glocks. That's 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:56.880 fucking extremely random. I'm not a million years I never 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:58.960 thought I would be like, Yo, yeah, Troy having soldier boy, 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.680 I would love Jacob say that man ain't right Big Jago, 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.240 he's the homie, come on the show a lot, like 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.560 I fun with him. His management Like yeah that h 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.040 my god, No, it's cool, it's cool, but like, what 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.960 how did that happen? That's super Always I always fuck 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.480 with Sojia, always been loved, like in passing or whatever whatever. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.600 Like I fuck with I fuck with a lot of people. 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.720 Let me not say a lot of people. I'll fuck 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.720 with people that a genuinely fuck with, you know what 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.480 I'm saying, Like not all for so like if I 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.760 fuck with an artist, I'm not like I fuck with Gates, 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:30.280 you know what I'm saying. We don't got a song, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.720 but if we pop up with a song, I probably 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.200 get Gates on some this year. But yo, that was random. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.680 But I've been fucking with Gates for years. That would 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.360 make more sense to me, though, See what this this? 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.280 How I do? I don't like, I'm not a dick rider, 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.160 So I don't just do records with somebody because they 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:48.680 got a buzz here, or I want to get their 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.880 fans here. No, I want that ship to feel good sonically. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.040 Like even when I dropped my project Made You without 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.200 a deal, I had great project you feel thank you. 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.400 I had all the people on it that I grew 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.160 up listen to the eye in my ear, and I 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.000 put them perfectly where they needed to sound in pocket. 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.360 I had Fat Joke perfectly in pocket. I had rayconon 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.960 Prodigy and know perfectly in pocket. I didn't say well 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.160 at that time. Of course, there's other rappers that's hotter 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.280 than them that I could do collapse and get their fans, 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.639 but they never been about that. I've never been in 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.040 cloud chacks and never been a dick rider. I want 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.800 to make the best music possible and I know how 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.080 to put motherfuckers on beats that they gonna sound in 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.920 the pocket. So this beat right here, this ship had 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.800 that feeling you know, sold you to I say, yo, 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.520 I need you to talk that go crazy on that ship. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.040 I don't need you make it clap. I need you 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.200 to go crazy, do that yelling in the fucking camera. Shit, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.440 you know what I'm saying. It's a fact. And yeah, 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.760 the big Draco I need you to do the big Draco, 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.359 and he did the big Draco in his fire. I 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:54.639 got another joint coming out with trat boy Freddie and 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.040 you know what I'm saying. People will say that's random, 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.520 but I'll fuck with him. We got we got dog 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.480 businesses and coming. You know what I'm saying, BSB bullies 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.800 on the way. So you're breeding dogs, Yeah that's a fact. 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.280 So who's okay this might be a random super pause question. 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:11.760 But when you have a dog that I'm gonna start breeding, 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.080 right well, I'm gonna start stutting them out. Who is 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.119 jerking off your dog? Don't joke off your dog. You 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.760 gotta take it to the uh take it to the 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.919 So my boy does it himself and he makes like 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:23.919 three hundre grand a year of jerking. He's jerking his 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:25.679 dog off. And I'm like, bro, I'm not touching no 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.040 dicks for no amount of money. Dog, But you can't 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.600 touch the dog dickie. Take no, I'm not telling no 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.680 Dixie in life. Like, I mean, it's a dog. Even 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.320 like even like if I gotta change my kids diaper, 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.879 it's a lot of baby wipe. I'm never physit. My 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.240 fingers ain't touching it? Just what I'm curious because I 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.199 just got a friend, Schie that's like a puppy man. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.520 I'm like, am I gonna have to jerk this dog? No, 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.320 you can take it to the vet and then you 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.200 will jerk the dog exactly unless and they'll leave you. 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.480 You get to get the ship in there the specialmen 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.240 and you be out. But like you gotta think, how 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.480 much is it worth for you? Is it? This is 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.479 what I look at. If the motherfucker try to you hear, 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.840 I'm gonna say myself one hundred and fifty dollars, and 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.800 if it's only one hundred and fifty bucks, I'm paying 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.560 the one fifty. But then it's like I'll pay the 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.400 one fifty to someone I know to jerk the dog 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.320 off less because they're not even Yeah, and then I 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.199 could I can hold it over their head forever, like, bro, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.360 you jerked off later I brought on a camera, yeah, 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.639 because they not a certified juggfer, So you're out of 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.800 him less, you know what I mean? But yeah, I think, yeah, 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:26.040 I'm not jugging off no dogs at all. Lead out 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.800 to Joe. Butten's mate, Oh my goodness, did you see 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:30.760 u recently? I mean he was on his podcast a 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:32.080 couple of weeks ago and he said that he would 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:36.000 he would fight you for free or some shit. Maybe no, no, no, no, 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.399 he oh he's capp he's cat said some shit like that. 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.960 By the way, I might be totally I listened to 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.040 you on that he and he had said like that, 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.640 there's no like real beef between you guys. But if 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:52.520 he had to do like a celebrity fight, yeah whatever, 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.120 if yead do a celebrity fight, what you guys each 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.360 getting five hundred k? You're doing the fight? Yeah, that's 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:01.320 the fight. Fu. I can beat people up less funny 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.639 than that for nothing. What's up? Like, where where was 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:05.320 the I mean, you guys have kind of had like 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.080 a no, that's snow with nothing with him. That's a 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:12.280 little riff for a while now Junkie Joe like it's whatever. 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:15.080 I don't get Joe, but you know I don't got 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.600 no beef for nobody in the New Year twenty two 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.960 is good. Yeah, that's good, especially like in the podcast 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.200 space because I like, I don't want to say I 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:28.800 don't use the term respect loosely, but like if every 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.200 like people that are doing ship like how you're doing 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:35.320 this podcast academics like junkie Joe, like a bunch of 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.399 people doing the ship. I say it in differently, like 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.880 fuck it was a junkie, but it's okay, a lot 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.200 of junkies. It's all right. When was you get better? 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:46.800 But anyway, you know, like motherfuckers is doing some ship 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.720 that I so this is dope. Let me child, let 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.119 me aspire to do this, so I give credit what 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:56.320 credit is due all and fucking this man, other people 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.280 doing ship. Yeah, there's a lot of dope podcasts. I 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.920 feel like I'm forget in somebody. Man, there's no podcasts 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:10.359 drink champs, yeah ship. Yeah. So like I feel like 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.320 you can't really when I when if I say something, 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.400 it's gonna be based on facts. I'm not just gonna 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.120 go and be like trying to dis because I feel 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:21.400 like you can't. But that again, that's a handicap because 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.359 people don't do that. People people look people look up 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.800 and talk them. You can't fucking do that, right, you 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.960 know what I mean? That's coney, you feel me, and 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.080 that that means that if somebody's doing something that you 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:36.760 if like me, I got mad buildings in real estate, man, 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:40.199 multi family homes and if somebody talking ship about me 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.800 and they don't they live in an apartment, like oh yeah, 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.280 he ain't real estate or whatever. Like you can't do 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:46.960 that though, because you're trying to get into what I 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.119 get into. Now, if you say something factual about me, 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:51.840 they got nothing to do with that, then cool. But 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.040 you still got to have a certain level of I 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.720 don't want to say respect, but like certain level because 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:02.240 you're trying to get into that space as them or whatever. 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.640 I'm not saying I give a fuck about podcast. I'm 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.679 just saying it's just another it's just another move, another 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.560 outlet for me to talk to my people, and of course, 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.560 spread your own news because if somebody else is telling exactly, 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:19.680 have your own narratives, you know what I'm saying, Help me, man, 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.000 what you know? I felt like you were in a 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:26.520 position where everyone was embracing you. Hmm. Everyone was kind 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:31.479 of fucking with Troy av I feel like then there 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:33.679 was like a switch that happened and it felt like 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:37.160 it just kind of felt like a lot of people 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:39.119 kind of deserted you, or at least You're like, like 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.560 did you feel that way, like like where you weren't 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.200 getting embraced as much after something happened. I ain't never. 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:47.640 I mean, I can't ever sty I felt deserted because 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:51.320 I always been on my own. I always been like independent. 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.320 I just mean in terms of like on some industry 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:57.680 shit man I used. I ain't never. I don't want 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.760 to say deserted or anything. I just want to say, like, 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:08.439 it's like when it's like everybody petting the lion until 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.639 the lion shows teeths shows real teeth. Then it's like, 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.600 fuck this motherfuckers on some other ship and they could 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:20.239 get on some other ship at any time, and you 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.440 know how this ship goes and his and his music 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:27.080 shit is like it's entertainment, it's w w F. Everybody's 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:31.879 a fucking wrestler. But when the guy really slims you 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:33.560 on your neck and you get injured, and it's like, 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:35.880 oh ship, whoa, whoa, we were wrestling for fake, we're 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:40.040 not wrestling for. So that happens a lot where it's 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:43.520 just like it just if if you do some extremely 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:48.520 ship that's so cold gangstill real and or they'll turn 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:53.120 that into saying it's idiotic, and it's it's uh, it's 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:57.320 fucking what you call what's what's the word. It's it's 0:23:57.440 --> 0:23:59.560 a hazardous and ship like that, and then people want 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.240 to get away from that. You feel me because it's 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.960 like you don't know what. But in certain instances, if 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:09.639 you're leveled up and clouded up more like signed to 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:12.120 a major label and ship like that, they gotta deal 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:15.520 with you. Like people didn't fuck with fifty Cent for 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:17.480 you because he was with Dre and m and that 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:19.840 it was too late. It's the hottestrapper in the world. 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.600 It was too late. It was like, damn, we can't 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:26.320 feel me. He could, he could have fucking shootouts of 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:29.159 getting ship and then, but we can't not fuck with 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:31.560 him because it's to hes gonna be at all Lottle 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.040 war shows. He's with Jimmy Ive and it's too late. 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:36.800 I was just with me. I felt like you also, 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:40.000 like you were doing some small things that made people 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:42.879 root against you. They would be like, you know, like 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.040 maybe it'd be like the Kendrick Lamar is a weirdo 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:48.800 rapper line when like can everyone's fucking with Kendrick all 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.679 of them just addressed. That's adds to Mad one by 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:53.359 One that was on New York City, the album that 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:55.159 was in New York City the album. Now, that's what 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:58.080 I'm trying to say. You do when you do some 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:01.080 real ship, It's like, what, well, that's too real. I 0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:04.959 didn't know. I came in the game like thinking, like 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:07.520 I put it to w W E Rustling. I always 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.359 seen the wrestles going up. I thought they was real ship. 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.000 They doing this. Okay, when somebody says something about you, 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:17.320 When Snoop say he crushed the buildings, Nory and CNN 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:20.439 came at them, a couple other people whatever, came like, 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.040 that's how you supposed you supposed to react and defend. 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:26.200 That's what I thought it was, you know what I'm saying. 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:30.680 So when when fucking Kendrick Lamar said the ship about 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.440 New York and everybody had their pennies and a bunch 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.800 of ship, I'm like, all right, oh, you motherfucker's making 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.240 whole songs. It's that's why is it that my one, 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:44.560 my fucking one bar stuck moding the whole song? You 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.960 said was that before the control freestyle? No, it was 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:51.760 after after? Why would I say that? Yeah? That made 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:55.040 no sense. So like I'm only everything Like people would 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.200 throw stones and the hot they ends. They only see 0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:03.040 the reaction because my reaction is so aggressive and savage. 0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:05.360 But there's no rules to a reaction, Like I say, 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:08.240 if somebody slap you and you minding your business slap 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.960 and you get up and you fucking bludging them or 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:13.760 beat them with a bat, they should have never slapped you. 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:19.120 So everybody making whole disc records about Kendrick Lamar because 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:21.480 he said to New York's right. I think jay Z 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:23.679 even did a verse and and just never put it 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.919 out like man, people had records and there was just nothing. 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:31.120 But there's one line by little old Independent. I just think, 0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:33.480 I just think it's so hard. And I didn't say 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:36.600 nothing crazy, You didn't say anything super disrespectfully. I just 0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:40.960 which which was like, But now motherfuckers want to use 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:42.920 widow rapers as a term that like that what it 0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:45.800 was a widow rapper compared to the ship you were doing, 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:50.439 not me doing. Just see, this is why I don't like. 0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:54.760 I don't like when media people everybody try to act like, 0:26:55.440 --> 0:27:00.600 try to just have alternative facts. If from the look, 0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:02.920 you got a bunch of fucking plaques on here from 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.520 these people, we grew up looking at the clips these 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:11.080 same fucking people packing big if they wore, like because 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:12.879 you got me talking about to say, how when Kendrick 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:14.760 Lamar came out on stage and he had the white 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.320 ship on. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, that was 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:23.359 recently right, like I means, and on the wall, and 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:27.240 that Kanye up there, Kanye, you know, Kanye is fire 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:32.439 the roots, state the roots, you know what they all like, 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.600 There's nothing wrong with having There's nothing wrong with people 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.359 having titles. I mean. Also that was that was like 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.320 a retort for the control freestyle. It makes sense that's on. 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:45.040 It was as it was. It was like the city, Yeah, 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.320 which is gonna be a bit and not represent every 0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.920 single one of my sons. Since day one for my mixtape, 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:53.280 it always been New York. I even have my singles 0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:55.960 YO New York while everybody else is trying to dick ride. 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:58.760 It sounds like for sure, you definitely first bricks in 0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:00.960 the backpack ship. Like I don't know how many songs 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.399 I got about Brooklyn, how many songs I got about 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.560 New York. And I'm spending my own money to promote 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.360 this when I know it'll keep me local. But by 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:12.119 me keep pushing and pushing, I'm repping. I'm loyal to 0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:14.800 where I'm from, and everybody should be like that. I 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:17.239 love when I love when I come with. I hear 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:20.600 yg first album and it ship sound like la You 0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:23.080 feel me when you hear choy A New York City 0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:25.000 albums sound like New York. You know what I'm saying. 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.920 I want to hear fucking young thugs sounding like Atlanta 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:30.760 or young Jeezy shit, you know what I mean. Like, 0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.040 ships got to sound like where it's from. There's nothing 0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.960 wrong with collabing. When Big got with Boone Thug, that 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:40.400 was the perfect collabing. Sure he kept his New York 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.360 voice and he did their flow and did it better 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:48.920 than them. I don't know, I'm so oh my god, 0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:53.320 oh man, But yeah, yeah, that was one thing. But 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.000 that was one thing, yo. 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I'm 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:11.880 just me, man. I mean, like, listen, man, this is 0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:16.600 how I feel. What can can you bring the people 0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:18.800 up to speed with what I said? And while I 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:21.520 said it, because I want to make sure because it's like, well, 0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:23.920 you didn't know that that was in response to the 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:25.920 control freestyle. I want to make sure that so the 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:30.040 joey thing, I felt like, like what the fact that 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:32.760 we listen. I don't know why you said it. I 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:34.720 know that at the time, you don't know why. I 0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:36.520 know that you guys are going back and forth to 0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.880 who was selling more records independently? Right, that was kind 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:42.200 of the wasn't back and forth. I wasn't concerned with 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:46.240 who was selling more records of New York. That wasn't me. 0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:49.680 I wasn't backing forth. You had brought up the fact 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.200 that his one of one of the guys in pro 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:57.240 era Capital Stees had killed himself and said some probably 0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:02.160 some not nice things about about that situation. This isn't Look, 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.320 you got the clips on your wall, you got fifty 0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.560 cent on your wall. You don't have the locks head 0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:09.840 and they talk about fifties mother they died? What was what? 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.640 Didn't push it because crazy like five or six years 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.240 don't do that. Look, from what I'm trying to do 0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:18.920 is know what I'm trying to do is ask you 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:20.920 like what like like for people who don't know and 0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.760 even refresh my memory. What was the origin of the 0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:27.080 issue with Joey? Where that that statement before before, before 0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.320 I forget, I want to set the premise on because 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:33.520 it's very important and the environment. The rap Day that 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.960 I grew up listening to as a kid is clips. 0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:40.680 Just push your t He's one of the greatest. Then 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:43.680 he go crazy on drap Man who got having cereble 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:49.440 posy or something, okay, fifty. He was going nuts on everybody, 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:51.520 and they went nuts on him. It is, it is 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.920 what it is, and this is Tupac hit him up 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.840 and got these people on your wall, right, No, I do. 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:01.000 And it's that they said was this ship? They said was? 0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.080 But I think that their issues with the with the 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:08.320 other side of the exchange were probably at least a 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:10.840 lot more stronger than what your at least what your 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:14.200 issues might have been with Joey. No. Well, the issue 0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.680 started with Joey was I was minding my business, just 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:21.200 doing my thing independent. I was only just independent. And 0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.960 I always said BSB Records is number one independent label 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:26.240 at New York, you know what I'm saying. And then 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.040 I don't know, I think he might have said something 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:32.680 about it, or maybe not. I don't remember, but I 0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:36.560 know something like his A friend of his came on 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.480 a record and he was like, yeah and such and such, 0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:43.440 So more records in joy aff now again. I dropped 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:46.840 my I dropped my project major without a deal, and 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.600 you know, they try to like it seemed like people 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:51.920 always coming for me, you know what I mean, because 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.320 it's like a bunch of fake people. And when they 0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:57.640 see the rail, they don't want the real Leshan because 0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:00.800 then you make them look funny. If you real diamonds 0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:04.320 around motherfuckers with fake shit, then they start looking funny. 0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:06.320 So well, let's get them out of here. So they 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.960 said old choy Av took an l I only sold 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:12.480 a couple thousand records or whatever. That wasn't really true. 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.040 I dropped my I dropped my album on a Friday, 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.960 when everybody else drop me on a Tuesday. Were talking 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:20.400 about pure records solds for that week. I actually sold 0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.640 fourteen thousand recund For people who don't know, this was 0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:25.760 before it got switched to Fridays. This before Yeah, people 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:27.120 are going to be in the comments like, man, shit 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.280 comes out right. So back back then it was Tuesday's 0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:33.400 music to drop. So when you drop on a Friday 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.280 getting it full You're not getting a full week. And 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:38.959 then I didn't care about that. I'm independent. I'm like, man, 0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:42.520 I'm gonna drop my people many music exactly. So I 0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:46.200 drop it and then I sell a couple thousand records, 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.960 but mind you, it's a short week. And then, remember 0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:52.080 I'm independent. I sold a couple of thousand. That's all 0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.080 free money to me. I'm making more off my couple 0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.800 thousand records. So we ended up selling fourteen thousand. Like 0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:00.560 later on with the week, I made one hundred and 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.320 forty thousand. That whole album only cost me probably ten 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:07.600 thousand to make. And this is pretty pre before streaming. Yeah, 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:11.839 this is none of this straight. It's straight buying, straight problems. 0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:15.760 Yeah that's a fact. And now I'm getting ninety percent 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:18.600 of that ninety five percent, Like it's a difference. Was 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.480 it still was this the Empire shout the guys and 0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.440 oh yeah yeah yeah fuck Empire. So this this early 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.799 like Empire days, you know what I'm saying. For sure, 0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:30.320 after my lawyer, Vinnie Kumar, he put that play together 0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:33.279 and it may and it made sense. He's that man 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:37.960 here to go. So so now when I'm doing that, 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:43.360 like you can't ever tell me. You can't ever tell me. 0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:45.360 I look at it like, you got people that's playing 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.240 on ring your teams, and if your team is fully 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.920 loaded and you got everybody on the team, and fucking 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:55.160 you got Lebron and you got d Wade and ship 0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:56.880 like that, and then you come on and you score 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:02.680 twenty points, that's not that. Twenty points ain't more than 0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:08.120 the guy who has who's carried that's twenty points ain't 0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:12.560 more than AI taking the Philadelphia to the championship with 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:16.200 the Lakers. It's not more it's not more than you 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.520 feel me. It's not more than. But they'll try to 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:21.440 make it. And when I say load of teams marking 0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:30.040 in big money behind the shit, promotions, everything just you know, 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:36.000 real publiciers like everything. So if they spending two hundred 0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:39.520 and fifty thousand to push your shit, and then you 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:43.200 maybe sell a little bit more than me. If I'm 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:46.759 only spending ten thousand dollars, this is a bigger win 0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:49.839 because then you can only do that one time. Yeah, 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:51.719 I could do this shit three four times a year. 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:55.799 But they'll try to act like what I did was 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.000 an L when it's not an L. So I ain't 0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:01.400 never gonna be quiet out Like where I'm from, you 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:03.719 don't just let somebody say something about you and then 0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:06.399 you you not say nothing, and you just fall back 0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:08.640 and like that sucking shit, you know what I'm saying. 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:15.360 So uh, somebody that would never that would never. I 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:17.760 never said nothing about nobody on a record or anything 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.799 that I would not definitely say in their face when 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:22.680 I see them. And that's what I didn't like about 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.920 the music and internet. Shit, people will say things about 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.799 you just randomly they got access to say some shit 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:32.080 that they wouldn't say. And growing up growing up in 0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:35.280 my in my hood, like you got to see about 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.680 that person right there and have the energy when you 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:41.560 say that. That's called hating or you just a sucker. 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.120 And so somebody, an artist just came and took a 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.800 shot and said and such and such, so more records 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:50.400 than joy Ad. Oh I think he said it. Joey 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:52.640 said it such and such, so more records than joy Ad. 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.440 When his artists, I'm like, why the fuck would you 0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:57.799 say that? Like that didn't make you Why you said 0:36:57.800 --> 0:36:59.840 that to me? Now? Mind you it wasn't, No, it 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.319 wasn't that big of a deal because like it wasn't 0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.640 Like a bunch of people was like, oh whatever whatever, 0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:07.840 But I just caught window of it, and I'm like, 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:10.759 why the fuck would you say that to me? Knowing that, 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:14.040 like like if I if I saw you, it would 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.920 it would be a problem. Why are you starting with me? 0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:19.600 Why are you playing with me like that? Like I 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:22.720 don't it make It makes you more upset when somebody 0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.960 play with you. That would never if you're not there, Like, 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.839 that's not real ship, A real a real person would 0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:32.560 never go to somebody and then know when they when 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:34.799 they see them, they wouldn't say that it wouldn't. I don't, 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.800 I don't believe in that pop shit and apologize that 0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:40.040 sucking ship. You don't pop shit. And then when you 0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:42.279 see you playing the yola sit and talk it out. 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:44.879 Yoa's so good that ship? Should it never happened? Why 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:47.800 did it happen? And then you tell me why it happened? 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:50.800 Why would somebody I never took a shot at nobody 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:53.880 out of nowhere on no records for what? For cloud, 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:57.200 just for what? Because when you disrespect, then you open 0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:59.360 the door to be down with all the disrespect that 0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.120 comes with it. So do you feel like they was 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.640 down for all the disrespect that comes with it, or 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:06.719 was it just I mean how you feel. I mean 0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:09.800 I think that being honest, listen, let me tell you something. 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:13.600 This is what happened. So that happened. I remember that 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.600 line you're saying now now, I remember the Joey line 0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:21.560 you're talking about, which happened first. Also not not even 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.200 in the same ballpark in disrespect as what you came 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:28.360 and retorted with. I didn't know we played bullparks. But 0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:30.719 but but but what what I want to get to 0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:34.200 is like, because for a long time, so like I'll 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:36.719 give you an example. Once that happened, you had a 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.399 record at that time that was getting pushed to radio. 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:43.000 I don't remember which song it was. I don't remember either, 0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:44.879 but I don't remember it was one of your record 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:47.400 It wasn't I don't know what it was, but you 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.160 had a record that was getting a soda in when 0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:51.000 the play, Yeah, it was a findy I think. I 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.799 was like, but I might have my boy in Minneapolis 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:58.200 who's playing your record on the radio, like the station 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:03.800 called GO ninety five ninety sixty three, and he calls 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:07.799 me and he's like, yo, we're like supporting Troy and like, yo, 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:11.080 he's like disrespecting people who like have families that have 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:14.880 gone through suicide. Ship, Like what how? How how are 0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.319 they taking it that personal? And the crazy shit is 0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:19.640 I really fucked with him. Whenever I would go out there, 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:22.000 we would tap in, like I really fucked with him. 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:27.160 So this is that's the promise me. And I'm like, yo, man, 0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:30.600 I could just talk to Hovane, you know how? But Yo, 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:32.239 they got to talk to you, right? How from a 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:36.319 record of somebody starting something with me and then I 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.880 respond I spoke to you too, But how does that 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:43.120 affect other people in positions of doing their job? Like, 0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:45.360 it's not a personal thing. If you got a good record, 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:46.839 you got a good record, throw it on the fuck 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:51.160 with it this record that I disagree with you specific instance. 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.680 It's not even like I'm saying play this record. This 0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.400 record is just a disrecord in response to what they 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:01.040 said to me and it went crazy. But how how 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:04.720 in the fucking world is that okay for somebody's personal 0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:08.239 feelings about what two other men have a problem with 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:12.200 to affect you put pushing a ship or you playing 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:14.000 just don't even push you just play it regularly. It's 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:16.719 a good record. Everybody. Everybody loved the record. I don't 0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:19.680 remember which. I forget which record it was you had 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.879 during that era, you had a few. So maybe maybe 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.839 she belongs to the game. Maybe due to what she 0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:28.760 belongs to the game, I feel like, I don't know whatever. 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:30.719 But no, but so let me ask you this. Do 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:32.600 you feel like did you do you feel like that 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:37.960 that specific line like I went too far? No? No, no, 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:40.320 you obviously don't feel like you went too far. But 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:42.560 do you feel like it kept out? I didn't say that. 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:47.320 Do you feel like it affected you and your career 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:52.279 at all? Negatively? Because because that one anecdotal situation where 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.600 you talked about about a single radio station Minnesota, that's 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:57.120 but no, these other people, that's what I like that 0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.279 because I feel like a lot of people were like, oh, 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.319 Traft were all that motherfucker, like he took it too far, 0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.920 like because they just they just wait, they they was 0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:09.880 never really fucking with me. Because I I stand for 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:13.040 everything that they don't. I'll stand for independence, I stand 0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:16.759 for being confident, and they'll call my confidence cocky, they'll 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:20.960 call my independent cells and mediocre, when in reality, my 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:24.960 independence cells are superior to yours. Because I need more 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:28.440 money dollars for a dollar, and like, I feel like 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:30.879 that was just a way for people to come out 0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:33.480 and have something to say, like how any problem with 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:36.520 between two men. It's more just look at Chicago they 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:40.239 talk about smoking dead ops, it's a listen who I 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:44.439 do not disagree right now, especially like in Jacksonville, shit 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:46.920 is you feel me to who I smoked it? But 0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:51.399 it been music been disrespectful. I think people just looked 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:53.400 at it as like Joey's like this kid who's just 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:55.920 making dope, young rap music. You're from New York and 0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.240 maybe as opposed to like you guys having an issue 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:02.440 and like it being like a thing like you know, 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:06.880 And at the time, you guys were definitely you know, 0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:10.759 your your guys' rises were parallel to each other, not 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:13.239 not related to each other. It wasn't really parallel. He 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:15.320 was the way he was way ahead of me already. 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:16.959 And I just mean in terms of like you guys 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.399 are both up and coming in New York City. Your 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:23.400 energy was a lot different, obviously, but Joffer Joey still 0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:25.920 was making like joe Like Joey Badass could have been 0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:27.480 on New York City the album, and that would have 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:30.160 made sense and it would have sounded good. Right. Nah, 0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.120 he could have been on New York City album. Not 0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.160 that album, I'm not. I'm just meaning in terms of like, no, 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.040 I'm not ta beats. You know what I'm saying, like 0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:41.560 fucking no hell no, absolutely not? How hell? Where you know? 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:43.680 It was on New York City album? So tell me 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:46.160 if you you can't tell me one person that let 0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:49.000 alone put on, You can't tell me one person that 0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:52.399 I could take off to play in morning. I'm I'm 0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:55.000 not saying that he could fit. He cannot. You could 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:57.520 pull all the songs up. There's no way that music 0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:00.480 is different. They was making backpack rap music. I think 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:03.359 he was making traditional New York nineties boom bab ship, 0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:06.760 traditional New York nineties. I don't make I don't make nineties. 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:11.440 But I'm not saying you but I'm making fucking incarcerated 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:15.680 skull faces. I'm making capital punishment I'm making. I'm making that. 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.920 I don't think. I don't think Joey's ship was far 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:22.120 from that wheelhouse. How those are two different types of 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:25.800 hip hop. I'm telling them I grew up in that space. 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:30.520 Those are two is listen, it's most has most Death 0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:37.759 in jay Z jay Z album, but he done ship. 0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:41.279 Uh well, I never heard tal on a jay Z album, 0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:43.759 not on a jay Z album, but they've they've been 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:47.120 on a record together to get my remix. Come on, 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:52.000 you know hip hop don't do that. Come on, So 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:56.800 most Death make dope ass music, right and jay Z 0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:00.600 so even Tyler quality be flowing. But the two type 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:03.600 of albums are different. They they it doesn't go. So 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:05.359 you can't say he could have been on New York 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:08.399 City the album, No or major with idea, No fucking way. 0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:12.440 It's not that it's Joey has records with all the 0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:14.600 guys that are on New York City the album. I'm 0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:19.120 pretty sure when no, I'll call Cap over one hundred 0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:23.000 some thousandth jings on me. Ill bet right now? Who 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:27.080 is who is on the album? Who's on Pottigy Cameron, Fat, Joe, 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:34.960 Ray Kwan, push your T No not push t J 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:39.160 D kiss fabulous mad people. I bet you anything. It's no. 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:41.960 It's never no CAP with you have I don't. I 0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:44.040 don't just do the assume, you know how people just 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:46.120 throw out the fact that I guess. The point I'm 0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.440 trying to say is I feel like you like divided 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:50.920 y'all so much like and I think some people made 0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:55.239 it had maybe thought it was unnecessary. What was There's 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:58.600 no rules to a reaction that's fair. If somebody comes 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:00.640 and slaps you right now in your face, what would 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:03.560 you do, caes somebody just randomly walks inside react like, 0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:07.040 what would your reaction be just randomly violence? Like? Like 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:10.880 what kind of violence? I don't know A punch. A 0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:14.240 punch is most severed in a slap, right, This is true? 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:17.919 But do you not think that some of the things 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:21.080 you were saying in the interviews were kind of like 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:23.839 like he could have loosely taken them as like, yo, 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:27.680 was he talking about us? I was never. There wasn't 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:29.279 never when we were talking about like like being the 0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.080 biggest like like rapper at it out of New York. No, 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.320 I said, I'm the number one independent rapper out of 0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:37.319 New York. I still am to this day. But how 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:40.880 I'm only speaking facts. There's nothing wrong with speaking your facts. 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:43.400 I don't listen. I'm just trying to independent. When you 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:45.799 see my ship and say BSB Records, what you did? 0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:48.319 What you did feel? Did you did you feel like 0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.120 some of the industry turned their back on you. When 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.800 that happened. I feel like different things like that happen, 0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:57.560 Like you said the guy in Minneapolis ship like that 0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:01.560 started happening, and even people that were like, we call 0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:04.200 me and they be like, now, what you're saying is right, 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:06.480 but you know you can't say that like that in public? 0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.439 Why the fuck can I This is rap. Y'all didn't 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.120 tell me the rules before I got into this shit. 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:15.320 I'm watching, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, these people really fucking 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:18.480 doing power drives and really doing clothes lines. I'm thinking, 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:21.279 this is what really happens. Oh, it's fake, it's not real. 0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:23.399 But I didn't know that. I didn't find it out 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:25.600 until I do some real shit. Then it's like, WHOA, 0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:28.600 what's going on? And then like you gotta think at 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:30.760 the end of the day, anybody that got a problem 0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:33.200 with what I said to my suicide, if you go 0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:35.839 against me, you got somewhere wrong what I gotta say 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:39.200 and take it up with God. You got something to 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.440 say with the whole Bible. That's my only back and 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.080 that's what I'm standing on. I'm standing on that. So 0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:47.840 I want the same people that got some against what 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:50.080 I got to say make sure you say I don't 0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:52.560 fuck with God. I don't fuck with no religion that 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:57.000 speaks against that anything that you can't be a fucking hypocrite. 0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:01.200 I don't deal with the hypocrisy. It's coney. That's a fact. 0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:03.800 So what you what you did was a Christian move. No, 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:08.400 I'm not saying I'm not. I'm not. I'm not gonna say. 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:10.760 I'm not gonna say I'm a Christian. I practice realism 0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:14.120 because I don't believe in dividing. I don't believe in 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:17.799 dividing like they try to divide and concu us. People say, 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.840 that's a fact everything. I don't believe you never. I 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:23.719 don't have no hate in me at all. I don't 0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:26.400 have no fucking racism. I don't hate on somebody for 0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:29.760 being fucking gay. I don't hate on somebody forgetting money. 0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:32.600 I don't hate on somebody because they gender. None of 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:35.880 that ship. So if you if what they try to 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.720 do is is like separate us in different little bullshit 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.880 where if this person is saying a lie, this person 0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:44.799 is saying a Messiah, and I'm saying God, it's a 0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:49.719 Jewish a Muslim, and you all saying the same thing, 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.919 you all believe in God. That's the common denominator. Fuck 0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:55.600 everything else that has to go below. So I practice realism. 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:58.160 You know, there's semantics of religion has been pretty much 0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:00.520 the cause of most wars, and it's just man sis. 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.440 It's the same thing and divide and congo. Like, there's 0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:06.840 nothing wrong with being put in groups. But at the 0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:08.879 end of the day, if you all believe in one thing, 0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:12.319 then let's focus on that. So like like, focus on 0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:14.839 what we all have in common, exactly, exactly, and that's all. 0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:17.160 That's all I push. I never, you know, any time 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.399 I ever said anything, I'm not thinking about nobody else. 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:22.959 When I see I'm the number one independent labeling uh 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:25.000 in New York. I am. I started this from the 0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:27.839 ground up. I really sold fifty five thousand records out 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:32.400 of my trunk for sure, So I'm the number one independent. 0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:35.000 I'm really doing doing the most repping for the city. 0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:38.759 These other people, Joey whoever, they had head starts with me. 0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:44.319 They wasn't like motherfucker. First time I met yg he said, 0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:46.440 this is a motherfucker from New York. This is what 0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:48.640 I'm talking about right there. Because I look and I 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:53.520 sound like it, I'm not you're not gonna meet I 0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:56.640 fuck with Tyler Qualley, but you're never gonna meet most 0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:58.399 step back in the day, like, yeah, this is what 0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:00.839 New York is like in most depth is dope as fuck. Right, 0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:03.720 you're not gonna say that. You're gonna say that about Biggie, 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.279 You're gonna say that about jay Z. I think I 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.480 think on a commercial level, you're right, Yes, on a 0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:13.400 commercial just period, we have commercial just period in general, 0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:16.720 that's the energy, that's what that's what it's about. My 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:20.520 my my energy wasn't a Red Show energy, finger snap 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:22.399 and ship. Like I said, I definitely think you had 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:27.760 the like the closest you know, because I think after 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:31.160 fifty there was a lot of people who try to 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.920 be the new the new fifty or the new that 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:35.879 that kind of like that feel that position, I guess 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:37.640 I would say, And I feel like at that time, 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:39.480 you're the closest person that got to that. And I 0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:42.560 think that's why at that time and fifty, you know, 0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:44.439 got behind, like fifty, you know, put his arm around 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:46.239 you for a second, Like first fifty was hating and 0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:48.400 then he came he came around. At today, what's your 0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:51.040 relationship with fifty now? Good. I mean if I seen him, 0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:53.480 I seen him, it's so good, like that's that's me. 0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:56.480 I will never like fifty inspire me like I was 0:49:56.520 --> 0:49:59.200 saying about the junkie Joe shit, you know what I'm 0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:02.400 saying so of it. Have nothing bad to say about him, 0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:04.360 because if it wasn't No fifty, it wouldn't be me. 0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:06.799 But I'm not trying to sound like him. And I'm 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:10.279 doing my own thing. You feel me, and and so 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.360 like back to I want to stay on this because 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:16.400 we got to get rid of some of these alternative facts, 0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:19.120 just like we did with the Kendrick ship. Nobody knew 0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:22.560 that I said that ship about Kendrick because he said 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:25.000 this and and it was a fact. I just pointed 0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:27.120 out it was a fact. I didn't lie when I 0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:29.920 said this ship. Everybody when he did this song with 0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:31.640 Miguel and I don't know what he was wearing or 0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:33.880 brazy hat, everybody like, Yo, Troy ad was right. I 0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:36.799 mean to call someone a weirdo though, was subjective a 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:40.200 weirdo to you? Yes, that's the fact. That's the fact 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:41.879 that it is not the fact that Troy have which 0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:45.560 is fine. You spoke your truth. It's not would you 0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:49.439 say the clips are the clips talken cocaine rap. Yeah, 0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:53.480 that's that's the definition of coke rap, exactly like we 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:57.520 can people. I was wearing a koofee. You might have 0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:00.520 caught him a weirdo rapper at that time. Not well 0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:02.920 not not because where I'm from, you see a lot 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:04.920 of brothers that are weare kofies and ship like that, 0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:06.680 even in jail, and they're not with those I would 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:09.280 never call I. I just know that Kendrick is a weirdo, 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.400 but it's every we could put every artist into who 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:16.640 they are. Snoopyrec your definition of weirdo, Kendrick is a weirdo. 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:18.680 I don't think he's a weirdo because I know Kendrick 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:21.880 and I know he's just I understand what you were saying. 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:26.919 I don't know Kendrick. You replied to the style talking 0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:31.520 about style, and we've established that, right, So just see 0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:33.640 when you know somebody more present whatever. But back to 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:36.440 the to the to the Joey bad ship. When you 0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:40.240 see them, like I said what I said, I'm breaking 0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:43.319 I'm lyrical with it. I'm breaking them down. And since 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:46.560 they said a partner of his he brought other people 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:49.560 into it, it wasn't just him going each other. He 0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:53.640 brought up somebody from his group, so more recordsent choy. Okay, 0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:56.840 so now it's open season on anybody from your group 0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:01.040 here or gone, you feel me, That's what happened. They 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:03.520 they opened Pandora's box and then you, I said, whoa, whoa, 0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.520 you went too far. Don't play with me. Did anyone 0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:08.880 around you hear that and try to convince you to 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:15.000 take it out? They the video. They was like, yo, 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:17.399 come on the videos nuts, because I did the video 0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:20.479 on the roof. Yeah, but I mean, like I said, 0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:22.640 look all these motherfuckers you got on your wall. You 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.319 got them on your wall. Tupac hit them up. Come 0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:27.279 on take it if you feel away about it, If 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:29.760 you're not standing on how Troy went about his business, 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:31.799 then you need to take Tupac off your wall or 0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:33.120 else you being in a hit. That was a more 0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:35.919 serious situation. What are you talking about? Serious to? Who? 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:39.920 Seriousness is objective? Serious to? If somebody slaps you in 0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:42.160 your face, you don't have to respond to them with 0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:44.279 a punch you. I've seen people get slapped in here. 0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:49.319 Oh no, I've seen people get slapped. Damn. This guy's crazy. Yeah. 0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:54.080 I mean, so everything you're saying, I'm only speaking facts. Listen, 0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:56.600 nobody can tell nobody can tell anyone how to react 0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:59.280 to something. Right you have and that was more serious 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.760 than if I just I'm just telling you the perception 0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:06.120 of people. I'm not telling you you like my opinions 0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:10.520 because I'm on the Bootleg keV podcast. I think, I 0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:13.200 think at the time. I definitely think at the time, 0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:16.879 and I'm here, real ship. I didn't come here run out, yo, Kevin, 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:20.480 I gotta go run and go get I'm really here here. No, 0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:26.480 I feel like at that time, to me, it felt unnecessary, 0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:30.279 it felt over the top for at the moment, like 0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:34.040 New York. We always hear about how Atlanta moved together. 0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:36.359 You know, why can't New York and l A move 0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:39.480 together like Atlanta does? And at that time, it felt 0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:42.960 like you were you would like carved out troy Ave 0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:45.839 Island and you were just standing on your island in 0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:48.080 New York. When I said that, you mean yeah, And 0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:50.040 it's in general, I just feel like you. I feel 0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:51.960 like Europe. I mean, I knew you at the you know, 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:53.680 I know you so like I was very close to 0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:57.560 your situation, and so I would like, you know, I'd 0:53:57.560 --> 0:53:59.080 be like, yeah, well, Ship, it seems like a lot 0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:01.880 of people are rooting against stew as opposed to rooting 0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:03.840 for you. And I think that that was because of 0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:05.799 some of the things you would say some of and 0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:08.239 that's just you being you. Just it's just me being 0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:11.880 a real person. I am on Joyvlan because I'm self 0:54:11.920 --> 0:54:14.439 made and self paid. Nobody put me on and brought 0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:19.160 me up from the ground up. Ships I meet, I 0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:22.399 call it DJ like I used to call you very 0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:27.239 much or whatever. But with these two situations that you 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:31.799 bringing up, who started them? They were all reactions. I 0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:34.040 didn't and that's important. That's important. No one can tell 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:36.480 any individual how to react to something. But I'm asking 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:39.160 do you do you do you agree it was? I mean, 0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:41.480 I Joey bad ship? Was it? Was it a reaction? 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:46.840 Who you threw the first shot? I mean based on 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:53.640 the recollections, yea, bro, listen, it's been so long. But yeah, 0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:56.000 so I do remember that line that Joey dropped. So 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:58.279 that's throwing the shot at me. And so you your 0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:00.200 that was your reaction to some of the threw a 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:01.680 shot at you first, because you had never thrown a 0:55:01.680 --> 0:55:03.919 shot at him prior to that. Correct directly, No, I don't. 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:06.600 I don't be going throwing shots. I'll be focused on me. 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:09.319 I'm not worried about what another man doing. I'm focused on. 0:55:09.360 --> 0:55:13.360 So we've established that you reacted to Joey, and you 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:16.239 reacted to the control freestyle and the Kendrick thing. I 0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:18.520 just think people were like, what the fuck? But I 0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:21.799 think people it wasn't. It wasn't disrespectful. Yeah he wasn't. 0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:24.600 He wasn't disrespecting. But at that time, I just don't 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:28.120 because it wasn't a big deal. Like it was just 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:29.680 like it wasn't at all. But it was just like 0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:31.839 how how this ship appeared? You know what I mean. 0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:33.400 That's why it wasn't a big deal. That's why I 0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:36.279 just do a one line and I'm just representing. I'm 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:39.880 standing up for my city. I did for my city. No, 0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:42.359 it wasn't a big It wasn't a big There wasn't 0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:47.240 personal that other ship. It was personal. I see that 0:55:47.440 --> 0:55:49.959 his personally at that time, it was personally. I don't 0:55:49.960 --> 0:55:52.879 really give a fun now, all right, moving forward, man, 0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:55.440 Without getting too much into the to get to the 0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:58.759 line though, because you saying I want to I want 0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:01.120 you to get to that line, man, which one you 0:56:01.239 --> 0:56:05.440 singing the capital Steve Ship and I want to I mean, 0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:07.400 I have people in my life who have committed suicide. 0:56:07.640 --> 0:56:09.719 We all have people in all life that committed me. 0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:13.000 It was maybe in poor taste with that being said, 0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:15.880 but remove remove the personal from it. That's what people 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:18.560 can't do. Everybody wants to laugh at the ugly baby 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:20.880 until they have a baby that's ugly. What is it 0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:22.800 not funny? You were just laughing at the ugly baby. 0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:25.879 You said that baby is fucking ugly. Now you have kids, 0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:27.800 you don't want to say no more. Let's remove the 0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:31.920 personal shit and just dealing fact my podcast. But that's 0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:35.520 why I think that's why it's hard for people to 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:39.000 remove personal feelings from something that's serious. Sh ain't hard 0:56:39.000 --> 0:56:41.799 for me because I'm I'm solid. I'm one honey with 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:45.239 myself always and you react, and like you said, you 0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:47.839 that's how you chose to see. You ain't gonna see 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:50.520 people more more solid than me. That's fucking rid because 0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:52.719 I don't meet them. I know how to, I know 0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:56.279 how to be objective and like, remove personal ship from 0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:58.920 what's right and what's wrong. You feel me I know 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:02.840 how to do that, Like, it's just a fucking you 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:05.520 have to do it. You can't call yourself real. You 0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:07.719 can't call yourself real if you're hating on people. You 0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:10.400 can't call yourself real if you let your personal feelings 0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:13.440 get in the way of what's right and what's fucking wrong, like, 0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:15.799 because you wouldn't be saying that if you didn't have 0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:19.520 a personal experience about it. My shit, you can't say, yo, 0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:21.920 I believe in God and I believe in the Bible 0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:24.680 and then turn around and say you're wrong for saying this, Like, 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:28.960 am I wrong if I if the guy in Minneapolis 0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:32.480 who I'm genuinely was fucking with right through you, if 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:35.080 he stops playing my record? Cool? Other people call me 0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:38.439 even sway in the morning, was like, all right, man, 0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:41.680 I was, you're right, but that was fucked up whatever. Cool, 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:46.280 So all these people stop supporting my shit publicly, right 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:48.400 even though they know that you know, some shit I 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:50.760 said was right. If I got to go through all 0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:54.040 that and motherfucker's never played my record again, you know 0:57:54.080 --> 0:57:58.880 why it's worth it. Because I've had multiple people, multiple 0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:03.240 people't healyon call me and say yo, not call me 0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:06.320 on personally phone like DM me contact me and say, yo, 0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:09.880 chill you have I'm not on front. I was going 0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:12.520 through it. I was thinking about doing something stupid, right, 0:58:12.680 --> 0:58:17.760 killing myself, but what you said made me rethink it. 0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:23.280 And because you didn't glorify suicide. Who wouldn't kill yourself? 0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:25.920 If they say, yo, you're gonna be with forty virgins, Yo, 0:58:25.960 --> 0:58:28.600 you're gonna be amazing if you do that, long live you. 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:32.240 If they know that that's the reaction to killing themselves, 0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:35.320 why the fuck wouldn't they do it? Shit, I might 0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:38.360 consider it, but if I know the reaction is, yo, 0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:42.040 you fucking idiot. You're selfish, You left your family, your 0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:45.240 deckay life is the most precious thing that you can have. 0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:48.840 Why would you do that? You dummy? It's gonna make 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:51.960 you think differently. So that's what I do. I say, Yo, 0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:55.080 don't be a fucking junkie. I don't say, oh, it's okay, 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:57.240 you're using drugs. Everybody go to the thing. No, don't 0:58:57.280 --> 0:58:59.280 be a fucking Junkie're gonna stink it be a bump. 0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:02.440 That's gonna make you be like, yeah, I'm not getting 0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:05.240 no pity from motherfuckers. And that's how I come from, 0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:07.200 And if I got to go through all this shit 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:11.080 to stop three, four or five people from committing suicide 0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:14.480 and killing himself, that might be my purpose. That might 0:59:14.520 --> 0:59:17.200 be my fucking purpose. God might put me here to 0:59:17.200 --> 0:59:19.400 be their angel, and I gotta go through hell. Some 0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:22.520 motherfuckers could get to get to heavy. So my next 0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:25.080 question is when is you in Logic putting out the 0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:30.320 suicide prevention hotline sequel slash remix? Well, Logic did my suicide. 0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:32.400 You don't know the song, but no, he put out 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:34.800 a record. I really don't be listening to people wrap 0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:36.720 you see what the type shit I'm talking about, Liz, 0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:39.880 what he did with He just put out suicide prevention song. 0:59:39.920 --> 0:59:41.960 But there's nothing wrong with that. That's good. That's a 0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:44.760 good thing. That's what we need more of. Not long 0:59:44.760 --> 0:59:46.800 live you when you commit suicode me ask you this, bro, 0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:49.760 Like you went through a couple of attempts on your life. 0:59:50.520 --> 0:59:53.720 The last one was what was on Christmas or Christmas Eve? Yep. 0:59:55.520 --> 0:59:59.680 And we've seen so many people die recently, you know 0:59:59.720 --> 1:00:01.600 what I'm saying, Like, we've lost a lot of a 1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:04.680 lot of people in the last since that since you know, 1:00:05.080 --> 1:00:09.200 since your situation A lot of people have passed. How 1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:11.240 did like, like how did that change your life? And 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.400 make you like that did it change your life? Like 1:00:14.480 --> 1:00:17.400 did you have to reevaluate certain things? Certain ways you move, 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:20.400 like being moving? You know, like how did that change? 1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:23.600 I think it's going for you only only like the 1:00:24.080 --> 1:00:26.400 music shit, like the whole urban plaza shit that made 1:00:26.400 --> 1:00:31.080 me re evaluate shit. But like, oh I've been I've 1:00:31.080 --> 1:00:33.720 been having attempts on my life before that. It just 1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:36.640 wasn't glorified because I wasn't an artist or a musician. 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:39.640 So like I'm no stranger to streets. Shit, I'm no 1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:42.760 stranger to being shot. I've been shot before. I don't 1:00:43.080 --> 1:00:45.200 I was never glorifying and shit of talking about it 1:00:45.200 --> 1:00:47.040 in my in my raps. I was in shootouts when 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:49.600 I was fifteen and I got shot, you know what 1:00:49.640 --> 1:00:51.520 I'm saying, Like that shit happens when you're coming out 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:53.600 the streets. So I was always trying to get out 1:00:53.600 --> 1:00:57.840 the streets and the only thing that made me move different, 1:00:57.880 --> 1:01:00.280 Like you know, you always ice up and be more 1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:05.400 on point. But that's why it's like hard to say 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:06.960 ship without you know what I mean. When you're on 1:01:07.080 --> 1:01:10.960 care you don't talk about it, but the music ship, 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:13.000 when when that ship happened, when I'm I had to 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:17.800 place the business, you know the fact, Yeah, that's exactly. 1:01:17.840 --> 1:01:20.960 You know how good you feel me? That's the fact. Yeah, 1:01:20.960 --> 1:01:24.760 I remember. But like when you're trying to do the 1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:27.160 right thing and you at work, you actually place of business, 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:30.400 It's like how I think Drake Yo the Ruler Home 1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:34.440 Homeboy was like Yo, he work, Draco Jaco, he was, 1:01:34.920 --> 1:01:37.320 he was there to perform, went to work. The same 1:01:37.400 --> 1:01:39.320 thing with me. That's what I'm trying to say. If 1:01:39.360 --> 1:01:42.160 you're going and you're doing street ship, like even Christmas, 1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:46.120 I mean, the street environment is whatever. I could accept 1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:48.600 that after you're moving around in the head, you know 1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:51.360 what I mean, farms parked in the southwell and you 1:01:51.400 --> 1:01:55.880 know the fucking undesirable grimmy neighborhoods, whatever. That ship come 1:01:55.920 --> 1:01:58.360 with that. But when I'm going to work, you don't 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:00.960 expect that. When I'm going in a place of business 1:02:00.960 --> 1:02:03.640 showing to better my life, you don't expect that. You 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:06.320 feel me. So that made me really move different and 1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:09.640 see shit totally different. So, like like I said, I've 1:02:09.640 --> 1:02:12.840 been going through street shit way before that. I don't 1:02:12.880 --> 1:02:15.280 talk about because I'm not one of these dumb people 1:02:15.280 --> 1:02:18.080 that incriminate themselves and all kind of shit. But that 1:02:18.120 --> 1:02:21.880 ain't that don't even sketch the surface. So and the 1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:25.000 reason why I'm here is God, God, I'm blessed, and 1:02:25.320 --> 1:02:30.800 my reaction is different. I'm not people watch too many movies. 1:02:30.840 --> 1:02:32.560 You see a lot of motherfuckers get shot and me 1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:36.000 falling on the floor. Oh, watching the fucking movies. When 1:02:36.000 --> 1:02:39.040 you get shot or to shoot somebody, whatever, you don't 1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:41.280 have to lay down and die. Dog. You can fight 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:43.440 for your life even if you go, even if you're 1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:45.920 taking your last breaths, you make a choice to lay 1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:49.200 down and die. You feel me? Or are you paralyzed? 1:02:49.600 --> 1:02:52.280 Are you head tapped with you already dead? Whatever? No, 1:02:52.640 --> 1:02:54.520 you still even if you get shot in your fucking heart, 1:02:54.560 --> 1:02:56.480 you're still gonna have some a genuine left right. And 1:02:57.280 --> 1:03:00.000 that's what I chose. Fight or flight, And I'm gonna 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:02.520 fight every time. I'm gonna get hold in my kids. 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:05.040 I'm gonna keep getting to this money. You feel me, 1:03:05.120 --> 1:03:07.520 This's not gonna stop. I'm gonna keep dropping music. I'm 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:10.400 gonna keep spreading the word the gospel like I'm gonna 1:03:10.480 --> 1:03:13.320 keep being blessed. And that's the type of man I am. 1:03:13.440 --> 1:03:17.480 And all of that speaks to my character from everything 1:03:17.560 --> 1:03:21.480 I said, I never have no hate towards anybody. I 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:25.360 never dissed nobody for no reason. No, that's what suckers do. 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:29.560 Suckers pick, Suckers start problems, real ones finish it. You 1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:32.120 feel me, I'm never gonna go out and just take 1:03:32.120 --> 1:03:34.400 a jab at you because you're doing something. So what 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:37.080 I'm saying, I'm the number one independent show me factors 1:03:37.160 --> 1:03:39.480 that prove different. And so even if I want to 1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:43.120 say it, so what's and that's why I'm here And 1:03:43.160 --> 1:03:46.040 I always flourish. So even after me going through everything 1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:50.080 and going through courts and losing people and having to 1:03:50.120 --> 1:03:53.120 get rid of a whole entourage, how I still level up. 1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:56.640 How I'll come out and have twenty five times more 1:03:56.680 --> 1:03:59.040 than what I had at that time. You supposed to 1:03:59.080 --> 1:04:00.880 fall and it be nothing and left you' supposed to 1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:03.880 be done. Bro, I'm just I'm literally sitting here talking 1:04:03.920 --> 1:04:07.120 about I lost over one hundred and fifty thousand, and 1:04:07.440 --> 1:04:09.040 I ain't lose it, not gonna wear I think we're 1:04:09.040 --> 1:04:11.480 gonna fight it in the airport right there, I ain't 1:04:11.520 --> 1:04:13.800 run out of here like a yo. You gonna find 1:04:13.800 --> 1:04:16.200 my shit. I know I got my health. Fuck it, 1:04:16.240 --> 1:04:18.520 I'll get it back, you know what I'm saying. So 1:04:18.640 --> 1:04:21.440 that speaks to my character and that's why I'm different, 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:24.920 and I'm just not laying shit shit don't bother me 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.560 no more. It's whatever. Everything I'm gonna say and do. 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:29.920 I stand on the Bible, on God. And if you 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:31.959 got a problem with me, take it up with God. 1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:34.120 I bet you won't. Would you do a sequel to 1:04:34.120 --> 1:04:36.760 New York City album because that's my favorite project? Yeah? Absolutely, 1:04:37.000 --> 1:04:39.200 But it's gonna be It's gonna be telling the right way, 1:04:39.320 --> 1:04:41.560 like I'm about to drop bricks in my backpack full. 1:04:42.040 --> 1:04:45.480 That's one of the best pitch, one of the best 1:04:45.520 --> 1:04:47.840 series ever. Sure you know what I'm saying. I'm doing 1:04:47.920 --> 1:04:50.120 POT four. I got the artwork and everything, but I 1:04:50.120 --> 1:04:52.320 don't just do shit. You're not gonna hit nobody on 1:04:52.360 --> 1:04:54.800 New York City the album that don't fit right that 1:04:54.920 --> 1:04:56.480 you you would? You would never hear that, you know 1:04:56.520 --> 1:04:58.760 what I'm saying. So if I'm doing a record like, 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:02.760 I'm not gonna say it, but whatever, But I just 1:05:02.800 --> 1:05:05.120 want to be clear it's different types of music, and 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:07.400 there's nothing wrong with putting people in groups. And when 1:05:07.440 --> 1:05:11.160 we start jumbling and ship, that's where you get people 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:14.400 who can say, well, you shouldn't have like, there's no 1:05:14.640 --> 1:05:19.840 way in hell that anybody removing personal feelings aside should 1:05:19.880 --> 1:05:22.480 be like choy have is wrong for doing this or 1:05:22.520 --> 1:05:28.600 doing that? How how sway? How? How keV? How? How's 1:05:28.600 --> 1:05:31.720 he wrong? Even asks sway? You can ask sway and 1:05:31.760 --> 1:05:35.320 be like how sway? Well, you know you're right, but 1:05:35.840 --> 1:05:38.680 you can't do that in public? That's how sway? Why 1:05:38.760 --> 1:05:40.960 can't I do that shit in public? Why can I? 1:05:41.200 --> 1:05:43.080 Why can't I spread the word of God and stand 1:05:43.120 --> 1:05:45.840 on God in public? You would have got canceled in 1:05:45.880 --> 1:05:47.919 twenty twenty two, that shit would have came out. They can't. 1:05:48.120 --> 1:05:50.880 They can't fucking cancel my I'm uncancellable because I'm gonna 1:05:50.880 --> 1:05:54.160 still get money. My goal is not to be popular. 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:58.000 My goal is to have the most popular money. You 1:05:58.080 --> 1:05:59.840 know what I'm saying. I wouldn't be the most like 1:06:00.080 --> 1:06:03.360 want to have the most biggest bag. I want to 1:06:03.360 --> 1:06:05.920 talk to you man, have you? Have you? Uh? Have 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:07.800 you and Hove ain't talked at all? Is there any 1:06:07.880 --> 1:06:16.680 any ye me h ain't straight. So you guys have yeah, 1:06:17.160 --> 1:06:19.120 you guys like was like it was like that whole 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:23.240 Dame energy man. It was like that, you know. And 1:06:23.240 --> 1:06:25.680 and I'm real tight with Hope still and obviously that 1:06:25.800 --> 1:06:27.520 was kind of one of the more disappointed things that 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:30.880 had transpired out of that situation was to see you know, 1:06:31.280 --> 1:06:33.640 in my opinion, the breakup of BSB, it kind of 1:06:33.640 --> 1:06:35.600 felt like, well, I mean, I mean, you got to 1:06:35.640 --> 1:06:37.760 look at the facts again, you know what I'm saying, Like, 1:06:37.800 --> 1:06:40.160 I'm not I'm only going deal with facts. If somebody 1:06:40.240 --> 1:06:43.200 tell the truth, there's nothing wrong with that telling the truth. 1:06:43.680 --> 1:06:46.800 You got to ask yourself why did that happen? You 1:06:46.880 --> 1:06:49.000 got to look at it and see why, why why 1:06:49.000 --> 1:06:51.400 did it happen? So you guys are cool now, though, 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:54.480 How the convers Like how that first conversation go, because 1:06:54.480 --> 1:06:56.880 I'm sure it's been a while. We just kicking it 1:06:56.960 --> 1:07:00.560 about some other business that that you know, we we 1:07:00.600 --> 1:07:03.760 had some other shit we had to settle. So it 1:07:03.920 --> 1:07:06.040 just went from there. You know what I'm saying. It's 1:07:06.080 --> 1:07:09.680 just like we got history, history, lifeg time. Yeah, So 1:07:10.400 --> 1:07:12.480 you know, I was just I was most so disappointed 1:07:12.520 --> 1:07:15.760 in them that in him that Yo, he didn't he 1:07:15.840 --> 1:07:18.080 didn't stay with me. How I would have still with him? Like, 1:07:18.320 --> 1:07:20.960 no matter what, I'm not letting nothing. If I hear 1:07:21.040 --> 1:07:26.560 shots go off and you anywhere in the vicinity twenty blocks, 1:07:26.840 --> 1:07:29.680 I'm getting to you no matter what you feel me, 1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:32.160 I'm not like, no matter what, I'm looking for you. 1:07:32.240 --> 1:07:35.000 That's how. That's how I'm moving with my peoples because 1:07:35.200 --> 1:07:37.880 I'm militant like that. And I got real love like that, 1:07:37.960 --> 1:07:41.440 you know what I'm saying, So that I was mostly disappointed, 1:07:41.440 --> 1:07:44.400 like damn, dug, you do me like that after everything? 1:07:44.520 --> 1:07:47.120 You know what I'm saying. And then so and that's 1:07:47.160 --> 1:07:50.040 that should be the question that everybody asks. Now, you know, 1:07:50.120 --> 1:07:53.600 it was other people there that you know sometimes motherfuckers, 1:07:53.640 --> 1:07:56.560 we act different in fight or flight. I'm always fight right, 1:07:56.600 --> 1:07:59.760 but it's all about being on man. Shit. It was 1:07:59.800 --> 1:08:03.840 other people there that they took flight, but they came back. Yo, yo, bro, 1:08:03.960 --> 1:08:06.120 I ain't gonna hold you man. I was scared. I 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:08.200 was scared of my nigga. I love you, yo know 1:08:08.240 --> 1:08:11.720 I'm sorry, but y'all yo, I've never been on ship. 1:08:11.800 --> 1:08:13.720 And then you know what I accepted. I embrace it. 1:08:14.200 --> 1:08:17.200 Sometimes you just gotta say you're wrong, and apologies could 1:08:17.280 --> 1:08:20.519 fix it if there's history there, you know what I'm saying. 1:08:20.880 --> 1:08:23.280 But some things you you owe more than that. So 1:08:23.360 --> 1:08:25.240 when yeah, I feel like you guys are like brothers, man, 1:08:25.640 --> 1:08:30.240 that's the fact. That's the fact, My my god child 1:08:30.240 --> 1:08:32.680 and all that. So it's like real, ship, it's like 1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:35.320 you gotta ask, so say you out. I don't know 1:08:35.320 --> 1:08:38.439 if you got brothers, but I know you got all right, Yeah, 1:08:38.520 --> 1:08:40.599 that's the fact. But let's say you got your wife. 1:08:41.000 --> 1:08:42.439 If you go out with your wife and you in 1:08:42.439 --> 1:08:44.960 the supermarket and she said, Keathy, can you go over 1:08:45.000 --> 1:08:48.280 the owl give me some milk and whatever, and then 1:08:48.280 --> 1:08:50.880 you hear some shots go off and ship should her 1:08:51.400 --> 1:08:54.120 What would you do? Now, I'm not telling what would 1:08:54.120 --> 1:08:57.719 you do. I'm making sure she's no matter what right exactly. 1:08:57.920 --> 1:09:00.640 So when that person didn't do that, there's no excuses 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:03.840 for that. It's like, come on, because you were tight 1:09:03.960 --> 1:09:06.719 like that, I would do that for you. We tight 1:09:06.800 --> 1:09:08.280 like that, like for real, for real, you know what 1:09:08.320 --> 1:09:12.000 I'm saying. So when that happens, it's just like and 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:15.639 you didn't realize that until you it saw Vidy when 1:09:15.640 --> 1:09:17.320 I was in. When I was in jail, I was 1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:20.360 because they kept telling me like they was right there, 1:09:20.479 --> 1:09:23.639 right there. I'm like, how you was right there? Because 1:09:23.920 --> 1:09:26.599 it was only me trying to take that was the first. 1:09:26.840 --> 1:09:28.679 It was only me trying to pick up Bangos body. 1:09:29.000 --> 1:09:31.599 It's only it's mad videos that you don't see. It's 1:09:31.600 --> 1:09:33.599 me and Black We're trying to pick up bang a body. 1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:36.320 And well basically me, Black had to do something else. 1:09:36.560 --> 1:09:39.519 But when you're telling me you right there, I'm sitting 1:09:39.560 --> 1:09:41.760 in jail in a wheelchair like this, You're like, nah, 1:09:41.760 --> 1:09:45.760 it was right there. Like if if if he just 1:09:45.760 --> 1:09:47.600 came clean off rip and then said it, I'd have 1:09:47.600 --> 1:09:51.040 been you know what, you my nigga, Fuck it got scared. 1:09:51.120 --> 1:09:52.840 Let's let's let's move on from here. It don't make 1:09:52.840 --> 1:09:55.479 it happen again, or I know how to move with you. 1:09:55.479 --> 1:09:57.080 You know what I'm saying. But it's still loved there. 1:09:57.560 --> 1:10:00.800 But it's like the lion part that that made it bad, 1:10:00.920 --> 1:10:03.360 Like yo, I was there, No the fuck he wasn't 1:10:03.400 --> 1:10:05.519 there because if you was dead, you would have seen 1:10:05.560 --> 1:10:08.200 me struggling with my man body while he's dying, trying 1:10:08.240 --> 1:10:11.280 to pick him up. So don't tell me that. So 1:10:11.320 --> 1:10:13.760 those are the things that people don't see. They don't 1:10:13.800 --> 1:10:17.120 see all of that. They just see the the ending. Yo, 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:20.439 choy avers bugging and he's cutting off people. No, I'm 1:10:20.439 --> 1:10:23.240 doing shit for a reason. I'm saying this about Kendrick 1:10:23.320 --> 1:10:25.479 Lamar because he said this about New York. This came 1:10:25.520 --> 1:10:28.559 after I'm saying this about Joey Bad because he took 1:10:28.640 --> 1:10:31.840 shots at me and had his and brought his man 1:10:31.880 --> 1:10:34.120 into it. So I said, let's let me respond and 1:10:34.160 --> 1:10:36.200 bring some more of your man's into it. You know 1:10:36.240 --> 1:10:40.200 what I'm saying. I'm not fucking with the BSB people 1:10:40.439 --> 1:10:43.120 or some of them that was there because they did this. 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:45.840 I feel like they left me for dead. They didn't 1:10:45.880 --> 1:10:49.320 react and then it wasn't No. I was scared, Yo, 1:10:49.840 --> 1:10:51.920 I apologize, you know what I mean? Like how we 1:10:52.040 --> 1:10:55.120 do y'all did some pussy shit I can't front. Did 1:10:55.160 --> 1:10:57.760 has Hop like acknowledge that at least to you? No, 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:00.519 it was like what's in this that they ain't had 1:11:00.560 --> 1:11:02.479 to be saved? Would you would you ever work with 1:11:02.520 --> 1:11:06.439 him again? Yeah? I mean yeah I will. It's just 1:11:06.520 --> 1:11:10.559 like as you as you grow and you just learning shit, 1:11:10.720 --> 1:11:13.960 just be different. Man. It's like a lot of times 1:11:13.960 --> 1:11:16.640 I had put in music, I put personal ship, so 1:11:16.680 --> 1:11:19.120 like I put I put whole ving on like that 1:11:19.240 --> 1:11:21.840 was my man from the hoods and he's killing it 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:25.240 right now. We sold drugs together and you know I 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:26.960 put them on like yo, here, come on here, I'm 1:11:26.960 --> 1:11:29.880 gonna believe in you any situation I had, even like 1:11:29.920 --> 1:11:33.479 I said in a in a record, like when I 1:11:33.479 --> 1:11:37.960 had my first uh uh management deal through Butch Lewis, 1:11:38.160 --> 1:11:40.120 I say, your but I'm gonna come to get with you, 1:11:40.439 --> 1:11:43.240 but I need you to pay my people's who been 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:46.439 who been with me since they won. Nobody's doing that. 1:11:46.920 --> 1:11:49.680 I got them checks knowing that them checks come out 1:11:49.680 --> 1:11:52.080 of my money. You feel me. I got both of 1:11:52.120 --> 1:11:54.160 them checked him and K cash shot to K cash 1:11:54.720 --> 1:11:56.960 just he was just at my condo the other day. 1:11:57.320 --> 1:11:59.200 But I got them checks like I always bring my 1:11:59.240 --> 1:12:01.240 people and put with them all are you Are you 1:12:01.280 --> 1:12:03.360 proud to see like what Helbing's doing right now though, 1:12:03.360 --> 1:12:06.320 because he's he's doing stuff, I'm keep it a buck man. 1:12:06.400 --> 1:12:08.840 I don't be like I don't be like looking at 1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:12.000 ship at all. Bro, I don't. I'm not a nosy nigga. 1:12:12.240 --> 1:12:15.479 Like the only time I started following like different ship. 1:12:15.560 --> 1:12:17.880 Like at one time, I just don't follow everybody because 1:12:17.880 --> 1:12:20.080 I didn't want to see ship. I was just like 1:12:20.680 --> 1:12:22.439 fuck it. I was upset. I an't give a fuck 1:12:22.439 --> 1:12:24.560 about no music ship. You know what I'm saying. I 1:12:24.600 --> 1:12:26.559 don't want to see because it was all fake to 1:12:26.600 --> 1:12:28.640 me all of a sudden, you feel me. It was 1:12:28.720 --> 1:12:31.160 like the person who just get rid of all the 1:12:31.200 --> 1:12:34.080 pictures in the house. I don't fuck with them. Happened 1:12:34.160 --> 1:12:36.639 so and then I'm not nosy where I'm going snooping around. 1:12:37.640 --> 1:12:39.400 If it ain't in your peripheral, you're not. I got 1:12:39.680 --> 1:12:41.919 I got real life ship to do. I got real businesses, 1:12:41.920 --> 1:12:44.120 I got real I got a real life going on. 1:12:44.160 --> 1:12:46.639 I'm really a full time dad, you know what I'm saying. 1:12:46.880 --> 1:12:48.759 And I'm really get into the bag and it shows, 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:50.960 so you can't get to the bag. I feel like 1:12:50.960 --> 1:12:53.040 watching everyone else's bag. It's hard to eat. If you're 1:12:53.040 --> 1:12:55.360 looking at somebody else's plate, you're gonna keep missing your 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:58.800 mouth facts. So that's real shit. Like I don't know 1:12:58.840 --> 1:13:01.920 if you tell me like you're saying, like yo, junk code, 1:13:01.960 --> 1:13:07.000 that's what up? Like more power soon, I'm whatever, And 1:13:07.200 --> 1:13:09.240 I saw the vision. Like I said, I set all 1:13:09.280 --> 1:13:12.000 that off, you know what I mean? So like whatever, 1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:15.439 but I don't I don't watch face like like they 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:18.120 were saying, Brooklyn, something you've been watching face at all? 1:13:19.520 --> 1:13:25.760 That I feel like is probably like proven itself to 1:13:25.800 --> 1:13:28.320 be a hey, maybe try was on to something. Is 1:13:28.320 --> 1:13:31.280 that the Streets is a myth. First of all, this 1:13:31.479 --> 1:13:34.400 podcast is a miss myth because why the funk you 1:13:34.439 --> 1:13:38.840 bought me a seven eleven pure water? Well, because you're 1:13:38.880 --> 1:13:42.720 drinking is sentu. I wouldn't do him like that. I 1:13:42.760 --> 1:13:45.880 would not do learn this first of all. Look at 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:48.200 the pH levels on that water. The pH levels I 1:13:48.200 --> 1:13:52.160 wouldn't do like that. No, that's is this alkalom water? Yeah, 1:13:53.479 --> 1:13:55.920 we n we drink thatt water with limit. Listen, bro, 1:13:56.360 --> 1:14:00.320 this is when I'm going to seven eleven. I'm buying nose. Okay, 1:14:00.360 --> 1:14:03.200 that's why I got myself another. I gotta get my gallon. 1:14:03.280 --> 1:14:06.320 Is I'm just this guy? So yeah, but the Streets 1:14:06.360 --> 1:14:08.000 is a mythship Like I do feel like we've been 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:10.120 like like, man, this is this rap shit and like 1:14:10.960 --> 1:14:14.320 just kind of like the perception of like you know, 1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:17.360 we were talking about the Jacksonville shiit earlier, we were like, 1:14:17.400 --> 1:14:19.800 there's so many people just ending up in jail, bro, 1:14:20.240 --> 1:14:24.920 like for just trying to, I don't know, keep keep 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:27.960 up their perception or keep it quote unquote real. I 1:14:28.000 --> 1:14:31.400 think that that part doing ship and going to jail, 1:14:31.400 --> 1:14:34.680 that part is not a myth. The myth is was 1:14:34.720 --> 1:14:37.919 supposed to happen. Oh, the rules after that was supposed 1:14:37.920 --> 1:14:41.719 to happen. So if somebody killed, if somebody, if somebody 1:14:41.800 --> 1:14:43.479 goes to jail, you're supposed too to take care of 1:14:43.479 --> 1:14:48.880 their family, their lawyers all with you, their whole new Dang, 1:14:48.920 --> 1:14:51.320 you're supposed to do that. You're never supposed to try 1:14:51.320 --> 1:14:55.040 to fuck your homeboys girls ever. You know what I'm saying. 1:14:55.479 --> 1:14:59.320 If somebody killed your homies, you're supposed to go in 1:14:59.560 --> 1:15:02.559 fucking to be killing them, right. That's why you see 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:07.840 me on on my case is to get back motherfucker's 1:15:07.880 --> 1:15:11.720 shot me killed my best friend, and you see me 1:15:11.800 --> 1:15:14.519 going to get to get back right there. That's what 1:15:14.560 --> 1:15:18.120 it is. It's self defense. It's self defense, like motherfucker 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:21.439 used to. You don't see that from people. You see 1:15:21.479 --> 1:15:24.439 motherfuckers dying and then they just be it. Whether it 1:15:24.479 --> 1:15:27.400 be people in the streets or whether it be artists, 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:31.240 friends that die whatever. Like in the hood, you see 1:15:31.240 --> 1:15:33.880 people that die and then tim will pass and they'll 1:15:33.880 --> 1:15:36.439 be like getting money with the people who has something 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:38.640 to do with to death. I'm not getting money with 1:15:38.680 --> 1:15:41.720 a friend of yours or cousin or family member. It's 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:45.920 all open season on whoever's associated with that. If they 1:15:45.040 --> 1:15:49.479 if you, if you kill somebody that I love it is, 1:15:49.520 --> 1:15:53.559 whoever you love it, that's a fact. Until you going 1:15:54.120 --> 1:15:56.280 so like you see that all the time. That's what 1:15:56.400 --> 1:15:58.599 I'm talking about, the real shit. Everybody want to pet 1:15:58.640 --> 1:16:02.880 the line until he shows teeth, right, So like you 1:16:02.920 --> 1:16:05.599 see it time and time again. How many rappers gotta 1:16:05.680 --> 1:16:08.439 die and then people that killed them and still living 1:16:08.479 --> 1:16:11.120 and lefting and going on about their business. How many 1:16:11.160 --> 1:16:14.360 times in the streets motherfuckers gotta die and then the 1:16:14.400 --> 1:16:16.760 people that killed them. It's still around. The hood is 1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:20.400 small you twenty block radius, You're still out. You're going 1:16:20.439 --> 1:16:23.080 to the same parties. Oh nah, it's hot. I'm not 1:16:23.120 --> 1:16:25.720 gonna crash out. You can't be in the club with 1:16:25.880 --> 1:16:28.639 somebody that kills your homie. Yo, I'm not gonna crash 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:30.840 out now. But then your love ain't that strong? It 1:16:31.080 --> 1:16:33.960 because in the hood, it teaches you you deal with 1:16:34.000 --> 1:16:37.000 everything on site, don't fucking play or is that a myth? 1:16:37.640 --> 1:16:40.640 Is that only that it sound good coming out of 1:16:40.640 --> 1:16:42.479 your mouth. It only sounds good coming out of the 1:16:42.520 --> 1:16:44.360 mouth for people who ain't gonna do it. Yeah, because 1:16:44.360 --> 1:16:46.760 the actual ain't gonna do it. Applying yourself to that coach. 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:49.719 So that's my fault for taking shit literal. I'm taking 1:16:49.760 --> 1:16:52.720 shit literal like Yo and rap. It's no rules. Jay 1:16:52.840 --> 1:16:55.200 Z threw the fucking condom on the on the back seat, 1:16:55.360 --> 1:16:58.080 you know what I'm saying. The locks was sorry missus Jackson, 1:16:58.520 --> 1:17:01.639 like all types of disrespect for shit. But then when 1:17:01.680 --> 1:17:03.280 I get in and I do it, whoa whoa? Hold on, 1:17:03.320 --> 1:17:06.640 that's too much I come from. If somebody try to 1:17:06.680 --> 1:17:09.120 take your life or they kill when your people, you 1:17:09.160 --> 1:17:12.439 go at them immediately, right whoa whoa choy avags reckless 1:17:12.439 --> 1:17:15.160 and dangerous. He's shooting up a club and no kind 1:17:15.160 --> 1:17:17.599 of shit. Whoa. Okay, So this ship is a myth. 1:17:17.640 --> 1:17:20.519 All this shit is fake, But that's why the sucker 1:17:20.600 --> 1:17:23.160 is beginning to elevate. You know what I mean, A 1:17:23.400 --> 1:17:25.960 good thing. By the grace of God. I'm still paid. 1:17:26.200 --> 1:17:28.719 Like I was saying earlier, I feel like you've still 1:17:28.720 --> 1:17:31.640 been putting music out, but I feel like there's a 1:17:31.680 --> 1:17:33.200 new energy where I feel like you're kind of like 1:17:33.800 --> 1:17:36.400 back dug in. Is that is that fair to say? 1:17:36.439 --> 1:17:39.560 Do you feel like twenty twenty two like just like 1:17:39.680 --> 1:17:41.280 I feel like you're like back to like really applying 1:17:41.320 --> 1:17:43.519 yourself to your music ship Like yeah, you say you 1:17:43.520 --> 1:17:46.240 weren't like you'll put it out, but it wasn't like 1:17:46.280 --> 1:17:48.320 the energy was different, Like it was just kind of like, 1:17:48.400 --> 1:17:49.800 you know, we're just gonna put some shit out and 1:17:49.840 --> 1:17:51.519 see what it does. And it was just really I 1:17:51.600 --> 1:17:53.840 was rinning upstreams Are you like back on your Are 1:17:53.840 --> 1:17:56.320 you like back in? That's a fact. I'm back in 1:17:56.400 --> 1:17:58.760 on it as as much as I can be, Like 1:17:58.760 --> 1:18:01.880 I'm taking it. I take it more seriously to tell 1:18:01.960 --> 1:18:03.439 me that I do it so like I'm not a 1:18:03.439 --> 1:18:06.320 person that ever caused a hundred songs and then I 1:18:06.360 --> 1:18:08.960 picked the best way. Wow, I just feel like six album. 1:18:09.040 --> 1:18:11.680 I always tell everybody like, man, Troy Ave, you know, 1:18:11.760 --> 1:18:14.000 I was such I still am a big fan, but man, 1:18:14.080 --> 1:18:17.160 I was one of your biggest fucking supporters, and I 1:18:17.200 --> 1:18:20.120 always felt like you you need to support my shit 1:18:20.200 --> 1:18:22.280 more and play it when you on ninety two three, man, 1:18:22.320 --> 1:18:25.519 I know you gotta you could you know what I tied? Man, 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:27.400 I know I'm not from the West Coast, but in 1:18:27.560 --> 1:18:32.080 terms of just like I just I felt like as 1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:35.840 a as an artist, I just assumed you were gonna 1:18:35.880 --> 1:18:37.760 have a million platinum records because like you have a 1:18:37.800 --> 1:18:42.240 knack for writing like fucking hooks, bro, and you're like 1:18:42.240 --> 1:18:47.400 an amazing songwriter, grated melodies like so I'm plattinum in 1:18:47.400 --> 1:18:50.000 the streets. I feel like after I feel like after 1:18:50.040 --> 1:18:52.280 everything happened to Irving Plaza and like you know, the 1:18:52.320 --> 1:18:54.800 crew disbanded, like it just it just it just never 1:18:54.800 --> 1:18:57.160 felt that like like I feel like the last couple 1:18:57.200 --> 1:19:00.439 of years at least it's felt like your choice the rapping. 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:02.559 But like is he still like care about this ship 1:19:02.640 --> 1:19:04.720 type ship? You know what I'm saying, My owns my 1:19:04.800 --> 1:19:06.920 own's like being tired. It ain't much I could do, 1:19:07.040 --> 1:19:10.920 like promoting in different ship like that. So my heart 1:19:11.000 --> 1:19:13.880 wasn't in it to make those album until now, until 1:19:14.439 --> 1:19:17.360 now your last year killer be killed that I dropped 1:19:18.720 --> 1:19:21.639 got his great paper straight ship like that, like those 1:19:21.680 --> 1:19:24.160 are like projects like real Those are like New York City. 1:19:24.160 --> 1:19:26.840 The album made you without the deal real projects. But 1:19:26.960 --> 1:19:29.320 before it was just like, let me put this ship 1:19:29.320 --> 1:19:31.600 out run up streams. And that came from when I 1:19:31.640 --> 1:19:35.320 came home from jail. I couldn't go do no shows 1:19:35.320 --> 1:19:36.800 I could do now. I was on house rest, right, 1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:39.280 so I'm like, you know what, let me just drop 1:19:39.320 --> 1:19:43.280 ship just to get to coming in. Once you started 1:19:43.320 --> 1:19:45.760 doing that, it just became a habit, you know what 1:19:45.760 --> 1:19:49.559 I'm saying. And then yes, you were. Instead of dropping 1:19:49.640 --> 1:19:51.240 music for the passion and being like I want to 1:19:51.240 --> 1:19:53.240 put out a classic album, I was dropping music just 1:19:53.280 --> 1:19:56.000 to add to my cabin, help them up. It was. 1:19:56.080 --> 1:19:58.759 It was. It was reconcenting that was passionate and ship 1:19:58.800 --> 1:20:00.920 like that. But I never gave it my old because 1:20:00.920 --> 1:20:02.720 I got a whole lot of other shit going on. 1:20:03.200 --> 1:20:04.920 Now I know how to. I don't know if the 1:20:04.960 --> 1:20:07.519 word is compartmentalized where I could. Yeah, Hey, it's hard 1:20:07.560 --> 1:20:10.320 to like split up your bandwidth when you're doing so much. 1:20:10.479 --> 1:20:12.800 Now now now I lock in, I'll be like, yo, 1:20:12.880 --> 1:20:15.439 you know, I'm gonna focus on this album. I'm not 1:20:15.520 --> 1:20:18.160 doing shit for two weeks, but doing this album, I'm 1:20:18.160 --> 1:20:20.080 gonna focus and knock it out, you know what I mean? 1:20:20.160 --> 1:20:22.559 And then that's what I just got a schedule now 1:20:22.560 --> 1:20:26.080 where I'm like, like I really finally less than a 1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:28.479 month ago. I always said I was gonna do it 1:20:28.479 --> 1:20:30.559 in my head, but now I wrote it down. Like, Yo, listen, 1:20:30.960 --> 1:20:35.760 you're gonna drop four projects a year. One is gonna 1:20:35.760 --> 1:20:38.160 be White Christmas. That to come out December January. That'd 1:20:38.240 --> 1:20:42.200 be number one in March, four months later, you're dropping 1:20:42.200 --> 1:20:46.400 another project. In June, you dropping another project, you drop 1:20:46.439 --> 1:20:48.840 another project, boom, and then you drop three singles a 1:20:48.920 --> 1:20:51.400 year and you go from there and you drop in quality. 1:20:51.760 --> 1:20:54.280 But like before, I can't do that before, Like guys 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:56.840 are gonna tell you I come with my album. He yo, yo, 1:20:56.840 --> 1:20:58.280 my album's done. Hey, I want to put it out 1:20:58.280 --> 1:21:00.360 in two weeks. You know what I'm saying, Like yeah, 1:21:00.520 --> 1:21:04.760 I'm just no rollout, just roll out to roll out, 1:21:04.920 --> 1:21:07.320 just put it out. The people people who are following, 1:21:07.400 --> 1:21:09.320 they're gonna listen, they gonna stream and they not the 1:21:09.360 --> 1:21:13.120 provate way, but you know it's profitable. But yeah, I'm backing. 1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:16.680 I'm back more like focusing with it. Man. I just 1:21:16.680 --> 1:21:19.840 feel good, Like like I said, and God is Great 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:21.880 in my Paper Straight well on bricks on my backpack 1:21:21.960 --> 1:21:25.200 for I would love to hear someone from Grizelda on there. 1:21:25.240 --> 1:21:28.240 That'd be nice. That's yeah, that's why I with a 1:21:28.360 --> 1:21:31.040 fuck with Bennie the Butcher. I actually spoke to them like, 1:21:31.160 --> 1:21:33.760 damn Ship of the Day. I'm gonna get them on 1:21:33.840 --> 1:21:36.080 something for breaks my bag on some coke crap ship 1:21:36.080 --> 1:21:39.479 that'd be nice. Breaks my back of you definitely. But 1:21:39.560 --> 1:21:41.280 even if you listen to all the music, my music 1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:43.240 is like, no, I know it's not what I'm saying 1:21:43.520 --> 1:21:45.800 that series. That's why I mentioned that particular. I'm gonna 1:21:45.840 --> 1:21:48.720 do every everything. It's gonna be like, it's gonna make 1:21:48.800 --> 1:21:51.000 sense where it fits. It's not just gonna be for 1:21:51.000 --> 1:21:53.479 no reason. Some people do it for it gotta fit that, 1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:57.559 gotta fair. Everything gotta fit people. Hey, So go go 1:21:57.640 --> 1:22:00.080 stream that. You got you got the stream on what 1:22:00.280 --> 1:22:03.479 I look at one of the the cameras, whatever, Go stream 1:22:03.640 --> 1:22:06.479 God is Great, Paper Straight, and Killer Be Killed. Four 1:22:06.520 --> 1:22:09.040 projects coming there. That's the fact. God is Great, Paper Straight, 1:22:09.120 --> 1:22:12.680 Killer Be Killed. I'm impeccable. Matter of fact, don't stream it. 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:17.240 Fuck that go by the iTunes bias We're not website 1:22:17.240 --> 1:22:19.599 for the Merchant God is great paper Straight dot com, 1:22:19.600 --> 1:22:21.760 but you could go to Choe app dot com. It's 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:25.360 just one of those go get everything to twenty twenty 1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:27.800 two season project. It'll be out by the time y'all 1:22:27.800 --> 1:22:30.519 see this that's coming this month. The Yeah, it's coming 1:22:30.560 --> 1:22:34.320 in January twenty first. Oh ship, so that's like next week. Yeah, yeah, 1:22:34.360 --> 1:22:37.559 it's coming immediately post boom. There it is pause, super 1:22:37.600 --> 1:22:39.920 pause all right, and Troy, I appreciate you pulling up brother, 1:22:40.040 --> 1:22:41.559 Thank you perfect for having me. Kell