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Speaker 1: The sweatshirt. You like the sweatshirt?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, front pocket. I mean, you're lounging around watching

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: People a lot of times look at me.

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Speaker 4: I'm wearing that sweat They're like that is that kangaroo

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh yeah. And it's like people get

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Speaker 4: Who knows, you know, the kangaroo pocket has no limits

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Speaker 4: go get that sweatshirt on bdradty dot com. Welcome back

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Speaker 4: to another edition of the Fridagg Podcast. Today I am

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Speaker 4: joined by Nick Hardy. Nick is a former All American

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Speaker 4: from the University of Illinois. He was actually up on

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Speaker 4: episode nineteen or thereabouts. He was on with his teammate

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Speaker 4: Dylan Meyer. So Nick is just got through the second

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Speaker 4: stage of Q school. He's obviously a pretty high profile

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Speaker 4: young player who will be playing on the Corn Ferry

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Speaker 4: Tour next year, and a local from the Chicago area.

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Speaker 4: So I've gotten to watch Nick play so many times

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Speaker 4: grown up from when he was thirteen. It's been pretty

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Speaker 4: cool to see a local kid really develop into one

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Speaker 1: So here's our podcast with Nick Hardy. I miss a green,

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Speaker 1: for example, I'm already upset. When I find my ball

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Speaker 3: A frid Egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Friday,

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Speaker 3: Frida Egg, Brian Egg, Frida Egg, Bride egg.

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Speaker 1: I'm about ready to run off the gump. What do

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Speaker 1: you do in your downtime when you're not playing golf?

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Speaker 3: Oh, man, I mean not much, Honestly. I like to

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Speaker 3: spend spend a lot of time, you know, at golf,

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Speaker 3: and just because I love it. I'm always practicing, I'm

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Speaker 3: fantasy football. I love the Bears, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about the teammates. I think one of the

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Speaker 1: Q School stage two just by what the two shots one? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: back at that week though, that was huge because it

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Speaker 3: was honestly the first week where I felt like I

434
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Speaker 3: could beat every single one of these guys. Like I

435
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Speaker 3: came in really confident, I was hitting the ball as

436
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Speaker 3: good as I've ever hit the ball, and I just

437
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Speaker 3: had two doubles on the first round that killed me, Like,

438
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Speaker 3: and there were mistakes that I don't normally make either.

439
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Speaker 3: It was like it was just normally I take my

440
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Speaker 3: own medicine and play patiently and all that, but I

441
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Speaker 3: made I made a bad mistake on number nine out

442
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Speaker 3: of the fairway bunker. I hit a five iron trying

443
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Speaker 3: to go for the green when I probably should have

444
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Speaker 3: just hit a layup in that fairway and just took it.

445
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Speaker 3: Took a five, but even the layup into the nine

446
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 3: fairway is not easy because you got the ocean on

447
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 3: your right and just horrible rough on the left. So

448
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: I took all of everything into account and I went

449
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Speaker 3: for the green and I hit it in the hazard

450
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Speaker 3: to the right, just barely in the in the prairie

451
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Speaker 3: grass in front of the ocean, and ended up hacking

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Speaker 3: out and making a double. And then I hit a

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Speaker 3: great iron shot into ten that came up short and

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Speaker 3: didn't get up and down. So I was backed even

455
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Speaker 3: through ten holes after being three under through seven, and

456
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Speaker 3: I just made another double bogie coming in, and I,

457
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm looking at I think I was. I

458
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Speaker 3: shot three over in the first round, I think, or

459
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Speaker 3: two over, I can't remember, but uh yeah, I shot

460
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Speaker 3: two over in the first round. And then I come back,

461
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Speaker 3: you know, and I played in the morning on the

462
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Speaker 3: first round, in the afternoon in the second round. Now

463
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Speaker 3: I'm going to like the last tea time, and I'm

464
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Speaker 3: finishing almost at dark and it was not easy. Like

465
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Speaker 3: I played really solid in the second round and I

466
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Speaker 3: had I was on the cut line with six holes ago,

467
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Speaker 3: and I missed a short put on number four and

468
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Speaker 3: I finished on nine, and I had a bunch of

469
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Speaker 3: opportunities coming in for Birdie the last five holes, and

470
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Speaker 3: I didn't get one to go. And I remember, I

471
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Speaker 3: remember though, like after all the heartbreaks I had prior

472
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Speaker 3: to that US Open and you know, everything I had

473
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Speaker 3: three or four before that, I knew I was handing

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Speaker 3: on myself really well. And I came away with that

475
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Speaker 3: US Open thinking, well, I know I handled myself so

476
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Speaker 3: well coming down the stretch in this one. It wasn't

477
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Speaker 3: that I kind of hurt myself or cost myself by

478
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Speaker 3: not handling myself the right way. And that was the

479
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Speaker 3: most frustrating part of it, was I finally handled myself

480
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Speaker 3: the right way I felt like, and it didn't it

481
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: just didn't happen my way. And you know, walking away,

482
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Speaker 3: you know, walking away from that week was just just

483
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Speaker 3: grueling because I knew I handled myself the right way finally,

484
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Speaker 3: instead of the ways before where I didn't maybe didn't

485
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Speaker 3: control myself down the stretch the way I should have, or.

486
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Speaker 1: You might have pushed too much when.

487
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Speaker 3: Right right, or I tried too harder, or yeah, exactly

488
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: this time, I knew I hindled myself the right way.

489
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Speaker 3: It just didn't go my way. I didn't get in

490
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Speaker 3: for the weekend, and that was so frustrating because I

491
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 3: played so well that week and I remember probably could

492
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: have I probably could have scored. I mean, the way

493
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Speaker 3: I hit the ball and the way I played it,

494
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Speaker 3: it could have been a really special first two days.

495
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 3: It could I mean, it could have been, and everyone

496
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: could say that, but I really believe I knew it.

497
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Speaker 3: That's what's you know, stunk was deep down. I knew

498
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Speaker 3: I could be like in the top ten after these

499
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: first two rounds away I've hit the ball and the

500
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Speaker 3: way I've played, and I remember, you know, I was

501
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Speaker 3: just so so motivated right after that, and I got

502
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Speaker 3: on a plane to Tulsa, Oklahoma to play in an

503
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Speaker 3: All Pro Tour event, and it's like, Wow, You're going

504
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 3: from the US Open to an All Pro Tour event.

505
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Speaker 3: This is kind of crazy, this is reality, you know.

506
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Speaker 3: I'm like, this is a professional goal. I haven't done

507
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: anything yet. I have not proven myself one bit, I've

508
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: gone from the US Open to an all pro tour event.

509
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: It's you know, this is this is reality. And I

510
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 3: I actually went into that week and I I shot

511
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Speaker 3: six under the first round and ten under the second round,

512
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Speaker 3: and I that was just all semming from what I

513
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 3: told you. That was the one I won the week

514
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 3: after the US Open. I just I remember that that

515
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 3: I was just telling myself the right things after the

516
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Speaker 3: US Open, like okay, like you can't feel bad for

517
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Speaker 3: yourself after that. I was telling myself like I knew

518
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 3: I handled myself the right way, and I knew, I

519
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: know I'm close, and I I remember that that was

520
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: just all from self talk, and I knew I was

521
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 3: really confident even after missing a cut.

522
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Speaker 1: That's the thing with Gofflet Your score is not always

523
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: doesn't always show right.

524
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Speaker 3: It doesn't indicate what you're how you're playing sometimes, because

525
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: that's the frustrating part. And that's what happened to me

526
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 3: at the US Open, for sure. It just it just

527
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 3: doesn't indicate. Like they always say there's no pictures on

528
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: the scorecard, but really, in your mind, there's always pictures

529
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 3: on the scorecard.

530
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you could go out and shoot seventy five

531
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Speaker 1: and be like, god, I played really really good.

532
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 3: Yeah it.

533
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Speaker 1: And then you could play the next day and shoot

534
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: seventy two and be like, I didn't play very good.

535
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 3: Oh exactly. There's no doubt about it. And everyone go

536
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: around telling everyone how they played after the round or whatever,

537
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: and there's people who were Everyone's saying the same thing,

538
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 3: usually like oh, I played so good, but I just

539
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: couldn't get the putts to drop. And it's the same

540
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: story for a lot of people, but yet no one cares.

541
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: You just got to go out and get it done.

542
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: And that's a great thing about professional golf is you

543
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: got to keep proving it. You got you can't just

544
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: This isn't the NBA where you can sign a four year,

545
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty million dollar contract and you're set

546
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: for four years. You got to keep proving it every

547
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 3: single weekend, every single day, and that's that's a great

548
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 3: thing about it. And it's just a total result oriented business.

549
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Speaker 1: To talk a little bit, you mentioned about the late

550
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Speaker 1: tea time at Pebble. Obviously as a sectional coalth you

551
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: get kind of the dumpy tea times as a sponsor.

552
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: And that's you get and that's another day. That's another

553
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: thing about it. The number one most popular question I've

554
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: been asked when I say I played three years opens, Oh,

555
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: who you've been paired with? Like it must be I'm like, you,

556
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 3: you have no idea that.

557
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: I followed you for a little event and you're you're

558
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: playing partners weren't having their best days out there.

559
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, you must be played with some of

560
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: the coolest like playing. I'm like, you have no idea

561
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: who they are, Like, like, you know, I need to

562
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 3: be I need to prove myself before I can get

563
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: those nice seat times that everyone has.

564
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: You know, how much tougher is it playing in those

565
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: tea times. Then it's say even college where you are

566
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: amateur stuff where you were, you know, nobody's ever going

567
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: to say you get put in. They have like preferred pairings.

568
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: But in amateur events you totally get preferred pairings. If

569
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Speaker 1: you're a big, bigger player.

570
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Speaker 3: Well, there are different experiences for me, Like at Oakmont,

571
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: I had the best tea times I thought I had

572
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: like the third time the first the first round and

573
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 3: the perfect morning you know, like perfect greens everything, and

574
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: then like the third time in the afternoon wave so

575
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: it was perfect like that. I would I wouldn't want

576
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 3: better two times in that and then in the chambers

577
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: and uh oakma or in Chambers and pebble a the

578
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 3: same tea times. I had the last tea time of

579
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: the morning wave in the in the first round, and

580
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: then the last tea time in the afternoon wave of

581
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: the second round, the totem pole, the worst tea time Chambers.

582
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Speaker 1: You're this you're what were you a freshman, right or

583
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: so I was going to be a sophomore, gonna be

584
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: so they didn't really know who you were, right, No,

585
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: And then and then you made the cut, and then

586
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: the next year you get a prime amateur t time

587
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: and then you're at the bottom of the rung of pros.

588
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, it's hilarious. But it's fair. It's I mean,

589
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: it's fair. But I mean I knew what I was

590
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: gonna get it, you know good. I knew the times

591
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: I was gonna going into it. But that's the thing,

592
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: like those those tea times suck. But I mean it's

593
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: just way it is. Like you you go into the

594
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: first round, Okay, I got a morning tea time, but

595
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: I'm like nine o'clock or nine thirty and and then

596
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: I got so much time, you know, because I'm like

597
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: three o'clock the next day or two o'clock or whatever,

598
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: and you're just like the waiting.

599
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, what what is that day?

600
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, it's just okay, let's go work out,

601
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: let's eat breakfast, let's go work out again. Let's I mean,

602
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: it's just like I mean, I got tons of food

603
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 3: waiting for me at the tent. I'm like, I don't know,

604
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: I just it is eating and working out and stretching.

605
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: That's what it is. And it's just like you trying to.

606
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: Stay offes off On TV.

607
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: I watch a little bit. I like to see how

608
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: the courses reacting, but it's not going to react the

609
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: same at five or six pm when I'm playing. So

610
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean it doesn't do me any good anyway,

611
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: But like, uh, I mean, both Chambers and Pebble, I'm

612
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: getting off the course and it's pitch black, you know,

613
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: like I it's it's cold. At Pebble, it's it's I mean,

614
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: the ball's not going anywhere at six pm at you know,

615
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: on the ocean, it's it's completely different. But the greens

616
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: are you know, Pebble's greens were amazing at and and

617
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: you know, everyone says like they're not usually this good, ever,

618
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, I mean, they can't get any

619
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: better than this, And then you know, when you get

620
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: to six pm, seven pm at night, they're they're totally

621
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: beat up.

622
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: And did you play or do any practice round stuff

623
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: that late? Did you think about trying to do that?

624
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,239
Speaker 3: That would have been a smart idea, but I did.

625
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I mean, like honestly, having been my

626
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: third US Open, I wanted to really just make sure

627
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: I was fresh. And I remember my Chambers one. I'm like, oh,

628
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: like first US Open, I'm gonna play all the practice

629
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 3: runs I can. And I played with some cool players.

630
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: I played with brooks Keopka. There, I played with Zach Johnson,

631
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: I think Web Simpson. I played with some really cool

632
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: players in the practice ns. But that was because I

633
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: spent seventy two holes preparing for the tournament. And then

634
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: I bade the cut and I remember after that Sunday,

635
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: I couldn't move. I mean I even as a freshman

636
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: or sophore when I was young, but I was so

637
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: beat up, like and then I I you know, I

638
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: learned the hard way with that. But like I just

639
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: kind of at the at Pebble, I'm playing nine every

640
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: day and I played with Charlie Danielson every day for

641
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: four days straight, and I'm like, I'm just I don't

642
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 3: I'm just totally focused on having the most energy I can.

643
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: I think that's something that has changed, and especially professional

644
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: golf in the last five years, is how much less

645
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: practice round play happens that especially at major championships. And

646
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: I think that's something that's the common golf fan doesn't understand,

647
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: is how much seventy two holes right of competitive especially

648
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: national championship level golf, takes out of you.

649
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: No. It It really like people don't see, like, you know,

650
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: the physical toll any tournament will take on you, even

651
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: if you have a caddy, but still it is a

652
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: physical toll. It really meant the mental the mental wears

653
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: on the physical, sure, but but it's still I mean,

654
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: it's it's totally a factor and people don't see that.

655
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: But it really is.

656
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: Going from the US Open, the feeling of playing US

657
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: Open versus.

658
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: Q School, I mean, I would I mean, Q School's

659
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: more stressful, for sure, but the first tea nerves it's

660
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: that doesn't compare. I mean, I had never been more

661
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: nervous in my life the first US Open first tuh,

662
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: but just on the every shot told. I mean, the

663
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: Q School like the grind of it. It's just it's

664
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: it's more so the grind from you know, whole one

665
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: to hold seventy two than it is for the US Open.

666
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: You know, the the US Opens like exhilarating because you

667
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: got tons of people watching, even my group, you know what,

668
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: I'm playing with Joe Shmo's next to me. It just

669
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: made the US Open too. Uh, it's exhilarating because you

670
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: got so many people out there and I, you know,

671
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: I get all these IL chants and I and I chants,

672
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: and it's just it fires you up, like you have

673
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: that you have that extra support and it feels great

674
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: out there. Like it's just exhilarating. But you know, the

675
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: the Q School rind is different. There's nobody out there,

676
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: you know, it's just you. Really, I mean I I

677
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: carried my bag at both stages this year. I'm like,

678
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: it's just me out there with a bunch of guys

679
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: who are trying to try to do it.

680
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: It just doesn't compare, would you say that you've got

681
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: like the heightened nerves of the US Open, but then

682
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: you get into it and you're just.

683
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Once you get into it, it's like it's just,

684
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: you know, some of the most fun times in your

685
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: life on the course, just because there's so many people

686
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: watching and it's the ultimate stage, you know, on the

687
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: ultimate venues, and it's just it's it's really just it's

688
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: it's fun. It's that's what it is. And after the

689
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: first t or a first hole, it's like, Okay, the

690
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: nerves start to go away and it's just fun.

691
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: And then with Q School it's more of like just

692
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: a looming it's.

693
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: Anxiety, the anxiety like being able to having to control

694
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: the anxiety the whole time. Is is from one to

695
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: seventy two. That's the part of it that's different because

696
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: at the US Open, even as a pro, like you look,

697
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: it's a good paycheck if you you know, do well,

698
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: but it's it's it's just exhilarating, exhilarating, like even in

699
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: my third one, honestly, it's still it's just the most

700
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: fun times in your life. And it will be that

701
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 3: way and you know into my fifteenth one hopefully.

702
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'd be good up hopefully more than that. Yeah,

703
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: what was the biggest shock turning pro? Like, what was

704
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: one thing that surprised you when you turned pro that

705
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: you didn't expect.

706
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: It's hard to say, because I mean, honestly, I was

707
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: lucky because I was so well prepared for it being

708
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: in Illinois and you know, being around all those guys

709
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: that went pro at Illinois before me and having those

710
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: relationships with those guys. I mean, I wouldn't say I was, like,

711
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: you know, surprised with one thing. Honestly, I just nothing,

712
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: nothing equals to the like the excitement you get when

713
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: you walk on the range with all those guys that

714
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: you've been watching for your whole life. And I mean

715
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: you can't. You can't mimic that. You you can, you can

716
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: always drop in your mind how how things will go,

717
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 3: and like be ready for that just because you you've

718
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: been wanting it your whole life. But nothing mimics when

719
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: you walk up on the range and there's tiger woods,

720
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: you know, or nothing, even even other guys. It's just

721
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: it's cool.

722
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: I feel that way, and I'm just a medium member

723
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: Tigers on the Range.

724
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it, you know, it's just that's that's not

725
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 3: something that you can be ready for.

726
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: Honestly, you played tons of match play as an am,

727
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: whether it be through USGA stuff, the Western other am events. College.

728
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: Is there is there a match that you think about

729
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: the most?

730
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean my sophomore year, we should have won

731
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: it at Oregon. I know it's like, oh, anyone can

732
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: say we should have won, but we really should have

733
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 3: won that year. It was like I I I think

734
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: of I don't. I don't. I'm not a dweller of

735
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 3: the past at all. Like I move on things fine,

736
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: and you know I'm better for it, but I'm really Yeah,

737
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: it stings that we never won a national championship when

738
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: I was there and our team my sophomore year, I mean,

739
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: I've got a poster of my room behind me, and

740
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: it's like how many times we won. It's we won

741
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: like ten of our thirteen events that year, nine of

742
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 3: our thirteen events that year, and and then going in

743
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 3: nothing will beat the vibe of that team that we had,

744
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: like we we were so close knit. You know, it

745
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: was me, Charlie Thomas, Dylan, and Eduardo Aprelli and then

746
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 3: Alex Burge played a lot too, and nothing will beat.

747
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 3: The vibe of our team that year. I mean, we

748
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: we were so close knit, we were so good. I

749
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: mean we had Coach small too. You know, that's that's

750
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 3: pretty fun. But I mean going into Oregon, we were

751
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: we were we no doubt in our minds, we were

752
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: the best team. And we finished second in match play

753
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: after not having our best stroke play. And I remember

754
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: we were like eighth going into the final round of

755
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: stroke play, but that that never felt like like oh

756
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: crap to us. We never felt like, oh, we were

757
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: gonna miss match play. We just kind of played a

758
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: really solid final round and we ended up being one

759
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: stroke out of Texas for winning stroke play, and we

760
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: were the two seed and we played South Carolina and

761
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 3: I remember the great thing about the South Carolina match

762
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: was that, uh, they put up Matt ne Eesmith against

763
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: or uh, coach put up Eduardo against Matt ne Eesmith

764
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: and or one of the other way around or something,

765
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: and Coach it was perfect because Coach was able to,

766
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: like Edwardo was a freshman at the time, and Coach

767
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: was able to like get Eduardo ready for this match

768
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: because he's like, like they're talking about how you're the

769
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: sacrificial lamb at Wardo like like, you're they they've already

770
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: marked off a win for your match. And and it

771
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: was great, no better feeling when Eduardo beat him on

772
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: the eighteenth hole and we uh we ended up you know,

773
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: we ended up taking care of business against them, But

774
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: that that was that was such a fun feeling because

775
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 3: Eduardo like felt, you know, so great and you should

776
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 3: have and he beat their best player and Matt's now

777
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 3: gone on to the PGA Tour. But uh, that was

778
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: such a great feeling. And then it's just one drawback

779
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 3: that I have about the NCAA match play is that

780
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 3: you have to play two matches in one day. And

781
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 3: that always bid us in the butt, honestly, Like we

782
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: we we made final, the you know, final four three

783
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 3: years in a row, and we end up losing in

784
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: the final four three years in a row. And I mean,

785
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 3: you can't make excuses looking back. I mean, I don't

786
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: make excuses. But that's that's one thing that I wish

787
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: was different, is that you spread out the matches one

788
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: each day.

789
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: You know, they'd make more money that way too.

790
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and I mean it just makes complete more

791
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: sense that way too, because I mean we talk about

792
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: the physical and mental grind of the US Open. Nothing

793
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 3: compares to the NCAA Championship Week.

794
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: You know, is it the added Is it added because

795
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: you've got your team?

796
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got your team and it's emotional. But you

797
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: got on the Thursday where the week starts. Practice round.

798
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 3: You've got a seven and a half hour practice round.

799
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

800
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: So you show up to the NCAS and you got

801
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: on Wednesday or Tuesday, and you got a practice round.

802
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 3: You get one practice round on Thursday, and it is

803
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 3: the slowest round of golf on your in your whole life.

804
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: It is seven and a half hours, and you gotta

805
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 3: study each hole. You gotta be you know, coach is

806
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: just going crazy. It's a you know, a huge day.

807
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: You got to learn every hole. You got a super

808
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: Bowl Yeah, yeah, it's it's just a hectic day. And

809
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: then you know, you you eat breakfast obviously, like nine,

810
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: go out the course of ten. You're you're on the

811
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: course till five for sure at least, and then you know,

812
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: you get you got to get a quick dinner and

813
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 3: you got you know, the first round the next day,

814
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 3: and you got four rounds of stroke play. You have

815
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: a cut after the third round, that's you know, no,

816
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: no joke, top fifteen out of thirty, and then you

817
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: got another cut, and then you got match play, and

818
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: you got that first day of match play is two matches.

819
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 3: So think about already the toll you've taken. You know,

820
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: you already played four rounds, you already played a slow practice.

821
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: You got a team that's obviously emotional wanting to win.

822
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: Obviously everyone wants to win. But that that you get,

823
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: you get to play your match, you win, and you

824
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: have to go right back out, and that's just it's

825
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: just a grind. It doesn't doesn't make sense to me.

826
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: And we never we never accomplished anything that day, which

827
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: I mean obviously it's an excuse, but that just doesn't

828
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: make sense to me.

829
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you get to there. And it's

830
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: the other thing about match play is it's just you

831
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: see it every year with it. I mean last year

832
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: they were talking about how Lucas Beureguard beating Tiger Woods

833
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: was like the upset. It's like, I mean, we're talking

834
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: about the fortieth rank player. It's like it's like Eduardo

835
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: beating Matt and he said, like that that's gonna happen

836
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: four times out of ten.

837
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: I hate it too, my own horn. But when he

838
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: lost to Lucas Beureguard, I'm like, he's gonna win the

839
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: Masters like that, that's I mean Tiger. You know that

840
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: festered with Tiger for that whole week and a half

841
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: more than master, you know that. And and I'm like, like,

842
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: he just missed a four footer, like that's not what

843
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: he is. That put yeah me too like that. I mean,

844
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, I mean this guy, you saw how good

845
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: he looked and in Austin that that week he hit

846
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: the ball amazing, like, and he played really well against

847
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: beer Guard too. He just made a couple of dumb

848
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: mistakes and Tiger doesn't make normally, and that was that

849
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: was quite something. And then yeah, when everyone's talking about, oh,

850
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: like someone some random beat the beat Tiger, I'm like he,

851
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 3: first of all, he's not random. He's probably won before

852
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: many times in.

853
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: The wgcsh right right.

854
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like it's it's golf. It's just it drives

855
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: me nuts.

856
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: Every year. It's like, yeah, every year one of the

857
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: big players goes down to some guy that's like fiftieth

858
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: to sixty and it's like this is not enough. Set

859
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: like this issically going to happen.

860
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 3: It's probably that guy will probably beat the top seed

861
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 3: forty six percent of the time.

862
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: Exactly like the part. And that's a That's another great

863
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: thing of what we talked about is the margin in

864
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: golf so right, and.

865
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: And that's that's crazy when you just compare it to

866
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 3: it's like sister sport in tennis. It never happens in tennis.

867
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: You never see you rarely see a fifty seed beat

868
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 3: a three seed. Even it just doesn't happen.

869
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's really true. I think there's something because

870
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: tennis has played a match in tennis in a weird way.

871
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: Is more it's like a it's like a five game

872
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: series in NBA versus like a set is like a game, right,

873
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, versus a round in golf.

874
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: Is it's a sprint.

875
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it talk about US Open local versus u US

876
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: Open sectional. I always think about this with qualifiers like

877
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: eighteen hole versus thirty six hole qualifiers mindset or it's

878
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: bit or Monday Monday, it's massive.

879
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: I mean obviously I would much rather prefer a thirty

880
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: six hole match, you know, thirty six hole qualifier, Like

881
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: I mean, you you can play not as like aggressive

882
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: you can it definitely will get a better player ten

883
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: times out of ten. Then in just an eighteen home match,

884
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 3: but I understand the logists of an eighteen hold match

885
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: or eighteen old round already takes five and a half hours,

886
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 3: you know, so you don't have the time usually, but

887
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 3: it is it is definitely a big difference. Like in

888
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: a Monday qualifier, you gotta, you know, get out and

889
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: get off the good start no matter what, or you're

890
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 3: going home. And then in a thirty six hole US

891
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 3: Open qualifier you can play more patiently, you can can

892
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: serve more energy, you can just play to your strengths

893
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 3: more and it just will get the better player for sure.

894
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: We're both from Illinois. We're not a professional golf hot bed. Yeah,

895
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: per se, we got a lot. There are a lot

896
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: of guys in your age group that are doing stuff.

897
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: But I don't know if a lot of people know this.

898
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: So State junior match flights called the chick Evans here. Yeah,

899
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: you're thirteen, and you and Doug gam playing all high

900
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: schoolers make the finals as eighth grader. Yeah, do you

901
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: ever think back to how crazy, I mean, you guys

902
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: played your first match against each other since then, and

903
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: the at the East Like Cup a few years ago,

904
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: but like talk about that, we I mean, and did

905
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: you know Doug well before that?

906
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, Doug, I started playing IJG events when I

907
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: was nine and nine and ten years old. I honestly

908
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 3: want a lot of them. I didn't have like much

909
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 3: competition at all, like honestly, I mean, I'm not trying

910
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: to be cocky, but that's what that's what it was.

911
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: And then and then eleven years old comes around, and

912
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: you know, you got this new kid who's paired with

913
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: me in the first term of the year and his

914
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: name's Doug gimm And I'm like, oh, okay, like this

915
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: is like this is a new player obviously, And I was,

916
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 3: you know, a little surprised that he was paired with me,

917
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 3: because honestly, the ijjus always paired with me with the

918
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 3: same guys that were like supposed to be pretty good.

919
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: And he was really good, Like he was really good.

920
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: I don't think he played too well in the first

921
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: event because, like I know, he and his dad say

922
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: that his dad didn't let him play an event until

923
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know if he was able

924
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: to hit range balls really well or I don't know,

925
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 3: but I know Doug said he wasn't allowed to play

926
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: in events until his dad led him, and finally he did.

927
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: And I think I squeaked it out in the first

928
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: event that we played with each other, and I think

929
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 3: it was like glen View Park. But after that, I mean,

930
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 3: Doug and I played a lot against each other eleven, twelve,

931
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: and thirteen, and then when we were thirteen, we did

932
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: the Chick Evans, obviously, and I remember I think Doug

933
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 3: one won the stroke play and I was like third

934
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: in this or fourth in the stroke play, and I

935
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: think I was like the sixth seed and he was

936
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: a one seed and we ended up both seeing each

937
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: other in the finals, which was pretty cool, and that

938
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: was really cool. And I still remember the match and

939
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: I'm still kind of beat up about it because I

940
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: was one up through fourteen, and on fifteen, I think

941
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: I three putted to lose a hole, and then we

942
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: tied sixteen, and then on seventeen Doug made a birdie

943
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: to go one up, and then on eighteen I hit

944
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: this drive. I don't know if anyone knows the eighteenth

945
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: old steeplechase, but it's like a it's like a dog

946
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: leg left par five. Then the second shot if you

947
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: go for it's over water. But of course I was

948
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: like four foot six at the time and Doug was,

949
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: you know, probably taller than me. But I hit my

950
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 3: drive right on like the side hill, and I had

951
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: this baseball swing lie and I just completely missed it.

952
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: I tried to lay up with like a six iron,

953
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: I towed the crap out of it, and I ended

954
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 3: up under these trees with the small trees on the

955
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 3: left side. Like I remember, I had like one hundred

956
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: and ninety yards out of the rough and Doug had

957
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: laid up to like one hundred one hundred yards and

958
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: I needed to make a birdie. And I mean, to

959
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: this day this was probably one of my best shots

960
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: I've ever hit my life. But I was under a

961
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: tree one hundred ninety yards out out of the rough,

962
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 3: and I was thirteen years old, and I had a

963
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 3: five wood in hand, and I hit the best five

964
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: wood of my life. I mean, I I had to

965
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: like shorten my swing to make sure I don't hit

966
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: these tree brand and I just hit this punch. I

967
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 3: had hit it right in the side of the face.

968
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 3: It was one of those knucklers that came out hot,

969
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: no spin. But I landed this thing just over the water,

970
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 3: probably in the rough, maybe in the fringe, and it

971
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 3: lands really soft and kicks up to like three feet,

972
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: and I was just like, that's the best shot I've

973
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 3: ever hit. I remember my dad walking up to the

974
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: left just like screaming, like like my dad was crazy,

975
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: probably just going nuts. And Doug's dad was either cadding

976
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 3: for him or standing there. And Doug ended up hitting

977
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: this good wedge like twelve feet. He's got like a

978
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 3: curl or like a like a three foot slider down

979
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: the hill and he makes it like a twelve foot

980
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 3: three foot break slider. And I was just like damn,

981
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: Like that was quite a match, Like I mean, and

982
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: then I was I ended up, you know, losing one

983
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 3: down and they put up two down on the board.

984
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 3: I'm like I lost one down, but I mean it

985
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: was just I was like, yeah, this kid's this kid's

986
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: for real. You know, you were a little but like

987
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: when I saw let me say this, let me say this.

988
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: When I saw Doug make that but last, you know,

989
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 3: a couple of months ago to make his card, I'm

990
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: like I've seen that like eight times already like like that.

991
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I that's not it doesn't. It didn't surprise

992
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: me one bit when I went in.

993
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: That was honestly one of the coolest moments of the

994
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: hold off here.

995
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, for sure, I mean it was. It

996
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: was the heck of it. Up and down. I mean

997
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: we played two big tens at Victoria, and that's no

998
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: easy up and down. You got you got water right

999
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 3: behind you. And it was like a twenty yard bugger

1000
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: shot and he had like a ball below his feet,

1001
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: and you know, he played a great like side spinner

1002
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: you know, coming in from the left that you know,

1003
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 3: chucked up to about what it was seven feet and

1004
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: drilled it. You know.

1005
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: It kind of like encapsulates prog golf, like right there,

1006
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: like this great player, he was way inside the line,

1007
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: a bad shot here and a bad shot there, and

1008
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's on the line and then

1009
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: he's got crazy. He's got to get really not an

1010
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: easy up and down to get his card, and it's like,

1011
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: are you gonna do it? Are you not going to

1012
00:48:59,640 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: do it?

1013
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, that's that's that's the great beauty of professional golf. Honestly,

1014
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 3: it's just there's no better way of being competitive, I guess,

1015
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: and the feelings you get being able to control it,

1016
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 3: learn how to control it. Just it's the best you were.

1017
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: You were a smaller kid growing up and then you

1018
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: hit this gross burt and yeah, I imagine your game

1019
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: change completely totally.

1020
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: I mean I was. I was not. I didn't probably

1021
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 3: break six feet until senior year of high school. Like

1022
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: I was. In my freshman year of high school, I

1023
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 3: remember I weighed one hundred and twenty pounds and I

1024
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: was like five foot three. And then by my junior year,

1025
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: I finally was growing and I was probably five ten.

1026
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: But I mean, I, I uh, I was so such

1027
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 3: a different player my I mean, I was like I

1028
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 3: was like Dylan Meyer. I was basically like Dylan Meyer.

1029
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: I had a hell of a short game and I

1030
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 3: hit these hybrids and woods to you know, three feet

1031
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: all the time. And then my game change obviously a lot.

1032
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: And once I grew, I kinda honestly, I started hitting

1033
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: it further and and my short game got kind of

1034
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: messed up, Like I didn't have the same like technique.

1035
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: My technique changed because I grew, I think, And.

1036
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: Do you think it's also because you were hitting you

1037
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: needed it.

1038
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: Last probably, And I was just always such a talented

1039
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: ball striker. I always knew kind of how to hit greens.

1040
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 3: I didn't I always I haven't always had like, honestly,

1041
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 3: the best swing. I've always had, you know, I've always

1042
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 3: been a little steep. I've always had, you know, not

1043
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: you know, not the best fundamentals, but I've always been

1044
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 3: able to know how to feel it around. And that's

1045
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 3: you know, that's the credit obviously I had. I've had

1046
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 3: the same swing coach Brett Paki since I was ten

1047
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 3: years old, and we've been together ever since. And that's

1048
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: a great thing about it is Brett and I have

1049
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: such a great dialogue and even through my Grossburt, you know,

1050
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: through everything we've we've been able to, you know, have

1051
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: you know, do really good job, I think, and he's

1052
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 3: done a great job with me. But yeah, my golf

1053
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 3: swing changed so much. My short game change and obviously

1054
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: not having to rely on it much probably changed it.

1055
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: But by the time I got to school freshman year,

1056
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: coach wanted to change all this stuff about Coach Mall

1057
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 3: wanted to change a lot of stuff about my short game.

1058
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 3: And you know, I played well my senior year of

1059
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: high school. I going into the freshman year of college,

1060
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 3: I made the final four of the Western m I

1061
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 3: I you know, made another USAM. I've been playing really

1062
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 3: well and my freshman year at college, I had a

1063
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: good year. But I was just totally overwhelmed with my

1064
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: short game. I mean I was just you know, having

1065
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: you know, obviously not having the best short game my

1066
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: senior year of high school. But I still like didn't

1067
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: overthink it. I just kind of went around there and

1068
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: just got the job done. And then, you know, I

1069
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: needed a better fundamental short game, but I needed to

1070
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 3: change things, obviously, but I was just totally overwhelmed. When

1071
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 3: I started working with coach Mall on it, I ended

1072
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 3: up getting pretty damn good at it, and right now,

1073
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: short game has never been better. And it's why I

1074
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 3: played really well last week and I leaned on it

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00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: a lot last week.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like when you're a kid, it's not

1077
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: fun to practice short game, but then like all of

1078
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: a sudden, it becomes the most fun thing.

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00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: To practice, exactly, no doubt about it. I Mean you

1080
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: kind of just don't care. When you're a kid. You

1081
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 3: kind of just do it and find a way to

1082
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 3: be good at it, you don't really think about the

1083
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 3: technique of it. But in order to have all the shots,

1084
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 3: you need to have good technique. And that's kind of

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00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 3: what I learned for a couple of years there at Illinois.

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00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 3: I mean, Coach Small did a great job teaching me

1087
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: how to do it like like, but like I I

1088
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: was pretty overwhelmed for a few years there.

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00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: I actually think that the best feeling in golf is

1090
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: when you have an incredibly difficult the shot where you

1091
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: know you have to hit it right into a certain

1092
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: spot for it to just kind of trundle over a.

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00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 3: Hill like on a pitch, and when you hit nip

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00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 3: it definitely on tight lines like no better feeling. And

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00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: I you know, I was never good at those, but

1096
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: like now I feel like I could go anywhere. And honestly,

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00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: I I was never good at the tight lie like

1098
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: square face, but got to keep it up a little

1099
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 3: bit shots and that's what I've been proven on a lot.

1100
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I've always been pretty good at just you know,

1101
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: the awkward ones, flop ones, bomps, the flops, all those,

1102
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 3: but the square face off, tight lies off a downhill lie,

1103
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 3: you know, those are those are when you get it

1104
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: good of those. It's a powerful feeling, you know, it's like.

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00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: The most most fun. Yeah, when you hit those right,

1106
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: because then the ball dis reacts. It's just like you

1107
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: know how it's going to react, no doubt. Yeah, it's

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00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: it's cool. I short game is something that I used

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00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: to hate and wasn't very good at right, and then

1110
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: like now like I don't play or play that much

1111
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: and try, I don't practice at all, but like short

1112
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: games where I have the most fun.

1113
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is fun. It's fun to practice. I mean

1114
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 3: I learned that at school too. Coach small short game

1115
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 3: is amazing and a lot of my teammates is were too,

1116
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: like d Trie and Charlie's their short games are unreal.

1117
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. So what's the thing you miss most about college

1118
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: amateur golf?

1119
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: College? For sure, miss my teammates and practicing with them

1120
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 3: day to day. Amateur golf, I mean the summer events.

1121
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 3: The slate of the summer events are so good, you know,

1122
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: like you can name every one of them. Every one

1123
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 3: of them is run amazingly by great people. And I

1124
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: played in most of them, and you know, those were

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00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 3: a lot of fun, for sure.

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00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: What's the thing you least miss about it.

1127
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 3: You know, I almost said slow golf, but it just

1128
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: gets slower.

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00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: But I.

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00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 3: Honestly I like the flexibility of having creating my own

1131
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 3: schedule now, like with like how I want to do

1132
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 3: things every day to day. So I wouldn't say I missed.

1133
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 3: I least missed the structure part of it. But I

1134
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 3: definitely like being able to be flexible.

1135
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the structure.

1136
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely class though not having class in there is huge.

1137
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: I mean not having those walks across the quad in

1138
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: December and champagne.

1139
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like that's that's that I don't miss for sure.

1140
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: I remember one hear I had this U. I had

1141
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: like the last final and I've I lived in the

1142
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: six pack as a fresh last final and the buses

1143
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: weren't running. It was like the last day. It was

1144
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: so late and it was like the coldest day of

1145
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: the year, and I was walking back and I just

1146
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: had a horrible final. I knew I bombed it. Yeah,

1147
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: And I was walking and it was windy and I

1148
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: almost just gave up. I almost laid down.

1149
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 3: I know, I know that feeling.

1150
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: So the last two questions here, we'll get out on

1151
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: two fun ones and So what's the best shot you've

1152
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 1: ever hit? The one the best shot that you think about.

1153
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 3: Oh, that's hard. I don't really have one that I

1154
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: think about from time to time. I probably should, Honestly,

1155
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 3: I don't have one, but the one I just mentioned

1156
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 3: against Doug I obviously remember. Well, so I'll leave it

1157
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 3: on that one.

1158
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: Okay. What's the worst shot you've ever had?

1159
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, I hit a pretty bad one a couple

1160
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: of weeks ago at uh at Illinois fundraiser. I coach

1161
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 3: had me get up in front of about two hundred

1162
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: people with who were there, and uh, it was cold morning.

1163
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 3: I hadn't quite warmed up yet, and he told me

1164
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 3: to get out the driver because he you know, and

1165
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, at least yeah, so at least I

1166
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: could tee it up too, right, And then, uh, you know,

1167
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: I tee this thing up and I just hit like

1168
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 3: a thirty yard duck hook, like straight in the ground,

1169
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, let me just I just went

1170
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 3: straight and teed up another one, and this one went

1171
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: like ninety yard duck hook, and then I teed up

1172
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 3: another one and finally I hit it one way down there.

1173
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I warmed up, you know,

1174
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: but man, I mean I wasn't embarrassed, but I'm just like, like,

1175
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 3: this is pretty dumb to hit a shot when you're

1176
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: not even warmed up yet.

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Speaker 1: It's it's funny the worst shots that like they're almost

1178
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: so shocking that like you're not like you're just like, wow,

1179
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: that was really weird.

1180
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just got to laugh them off, you know.

1181
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: It's a short memory. So well, good luck in final

1182
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: final stage. Hopefully you've got a bunch more fans to

1183
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: go with all the line. I faithful here, thank you,

1184
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: and and uh we'll be we'll be looking for you,

1185
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: and uh and next year on the corn Ferry Tour.

1186
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 3: Yes, sir,