1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour. Thank 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: you once again for joining us, Kathy. Are we excited 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: to be back or what? 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: We are always excited to be back, and especially today 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: because we have a very special guest. Please welcome from 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: this season of The Golden Bachelor. Debbie. Hi, Debbie, how 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 2: are you? 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 3: Hi? 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 4: You guys, It's so good to see you, ladies. 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I love you, We love you. You 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: look absolutely gorgeous. You do you do? 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: And did I hear you say you're on like the 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: fourteenth floor or something with a view that won't quit? 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: In Denver? 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: Denver? 16 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: I live in Colorado and all the color it's Jean. 17 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 3: So it's funny because when I go to sleep, it's 18 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: all green, and then when I wake up, it's just 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: all golden. And because I'm facing souths I can actually 20 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: see Pike's. 21 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 4: Peak on a clear day. 22 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: Nice. 23 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 4: I'm just looking out at all the glorious fall color. 24 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: I love it. Gosh, what, Debbie, There's so much we 25 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: want to talk about today. 26 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 4: I am sure. 27 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start. I mean, first 28 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: of all, we didn't get to spend time with you 29 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: because you were on your one on one day. Although 30 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: we called a Glimpse of You coming Back, we were liked, 31 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: we want to talk to her. 32 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: Well, hold on, before we get to that. Debbie went, 33 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: I want to know. I want to know about you, Like, 34 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: tell me where you're from, what do you do, Give 35 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: us a little history of you. 36 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I am originally from Little Shoot, Wisconsin. Put 37 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 3: my little town on the map. And I grew up 38 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: in a giant family. So I have seven siblings. I 39 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: have a paternal twin sister, Donna, and we grew up 40 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: in a tiny house with one bathroom. And I moved 41 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: to LA when I was twenty one, and I was 42 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: just secretary for like eight years, and then I kind 43 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: of fumbled my way into fitness, and before I knew it, 44 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: I was creating the first program for Beach Body in 45 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight. 46 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: And you do know I've spent a ton on Beach Body. 47 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: I've had them all. 48 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 4: Yes, Well, Tony Horton and I are the ogs. You know. 49 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: We created the first program in nineteen ninety eight, and 50 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: then I had the amazing opportunity to create my own programs, 51 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: Slim and six, that sold through my infomercials for seventeen. 52 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's still. 53 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 4: Available on their digital platform. 54 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: So are you, I know you're still into fitness. Tell 55 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 2: us about that. 56 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 57 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: Well, when I moved to Denver, I was fifty three, 58 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: and Beach Body really didn't want to do. 59 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 4: The startup workout. 60 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: That I really wanted to do, like the Beginning Beginning workout, 61 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 3: because I was getting older and I had so many 62 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: requests for you know, slim and six is still too 63 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 3: hard for many people, right, so, you know, so he 64 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: couldn't really pull the trigger. So when I moved to Denver, 65 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: I started my own company. I found the studio, I 66 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 3: funded it all myself, I cast it, I directed it, 67 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: I crated eighteen workouts, and I just did everything. And 68 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 3: now I have my own digital platform and it's called 69 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 3: Body Dynamics spelled with an X instead of a CS, 70 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: and it really is for the fifty plus but also 71 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: for people who have limitations or beginners, and it has everything. 72 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: So I'm really proud of it because there's balance, there's 73 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: mobility drills, there's seated workouts. 74 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: You clearly are a woman about you look at it 75 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: and you talk the talk. So you're all about fitness. 76 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: Given that you've done all of this, how did you 77 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: get on the Golden Batchel it? 78 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: But wait, Catain, you might have to order one of 79 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: those for me for Christmas. 80 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: Sow Susan struggles with working out, But seriously, how did 81 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: you get on the Golden Bachelor? 82 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I applied because when I saw 83 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: the first season, I thought, my gosh, this is so 84 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: sweet and endearing. I mean, my original thought when I 85 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: saw this was happening was who's going to want to 86 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: watch a bunch of old people making out in the 87 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: hot top? 88 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 4: Right? 89 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: But then as I watched it, and Gary was so 90 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 3: sweet and you women were so incredible, and I realized 91 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: it's more about you know, positivity and you know wisdom 92 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: and women supporting women, and it was just a completely 93 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: different vibe. 94 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 4: And listen, I've tried everything. 95 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: I've been on the apps, I've worked with matchmaking agencies. 96 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 3: I just, I mean, honestly, just always ended up in 97 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 3: disappointment frustration. And when I saw the ad for the 98 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: second Golden Bachelor, I thought, you know what, I could 99 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: do that because A I've been on camera before, I've 100 00:04:58,800 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: taken a lot of risks. 101 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 4: I really put myself out there, not on this level 102 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 4: you know, but you know, what can I tell you? 103 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 4: I'm adventurous. 104 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: I thought, why not, it's to get it matchmaking platform 105 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: on the planet, and I'm sure I'm going to meet 106 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: some amazing women. 107 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: I do have a personal question for you. With your 108 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: fabulous career, do you think that's what kept you from 109 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: being in a serious relationship because you were too focused 110 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 1: on your dream at the time? 111 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: Is that? 112 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: Do you mind if I ask. 113 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: No, I don't mind, because this was brought up so 114 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: many times, and I knew going in I was going 115 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: to be the only one never married, never having kids. 116 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 4: And it really, you know, I had pause. 117 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: Really I was nervous about that because I feel like 118 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: there's a stigma. But really, my career took off at 119 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 3: forty and I really was ready to find someone at 120 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 3: that point. And I did have a relationship for five years. 121 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: Unfortunately he just couldn't step up to the plate. He 122 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: had four children, and I really loved that guy, but 123 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: you know, I ultimately had to walk away. And then 124 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 3: before I knew it, I was fifty, and you know, 125 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: the relationship I had ended tragically, and so I moved 126 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: to Denver to start my life over again, and I 127 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 3: did a lot of healing work on myself, and then 128 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: when I was ready to put myself out there, I 129 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: just found that most men wanted a younger woman. 130 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: Oh wait a second, you got to be tomato. I've 131 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 2: never heard that before. Wait, wait say that again, men 132 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: want younger women. Wow? What a shocker. 133 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: What did you think of Mel's comment when before he 134 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: apologized and you actually met him, Like, did that to 135 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: t your thoughts or. 136 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: Us? 137 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 3: And that was really tough because you know, I was 138 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: already invested in coming on the show and went through 139 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: all the things, and when that came out, it was 140 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: very disheartening because the first one was just so endearing 141 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: and positive and warm and fuzzy, and and he you know, 142 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: it was so unfortunate because you know, the first glimpse 143 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: into his character is that. 144 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: Yes, it is my biggest trigger. 145 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: Right, Oh, you would be both, baby, you would be both. 146 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Knowing what you knew or what 147 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: he had said, fast forward to night one, getting out 148 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: of the limo, seeing him, Tell me what's going through 149 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: your mind? Tell me what it feels like when you 150 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: meet him. 151 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, he was so much more handsome 152 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: in person, and I knew that I was going to 153 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 3: give this man the benefit of the doubt. 154 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: I was going to form my own opinion. 155 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: I know, people say a lot of stupid things and 156 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: they can be out of proportion. And as soon as 157 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: we just took each other's hands and I looked into 158 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: his eyes, you know, I thought, Okay, I might be 159 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: in trouble here. 160 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: You got the butterfly feeling I. 161 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: Did, because he's you know, he checked so many boxes 162 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: for me. And you know, I've been along for so 163 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 3: long and it's just frustrating because every guy that I 164 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: had remote interest in was either emotionally unavailable, not ready 165 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: for whatever reason. 166 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: You know what, I just have to jump in and say, 167 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 2: you and I must be dating the same guys, because 168 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: we'd think pretty similarly on most topics. So either you 169 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 2: and are dating the same guys or they're all the 170 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: same hella. 171 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: Hell was it meeting all the women, like when you're 172 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: finally in the house, none, did you gravitate towards anybody 173 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: in particular that you felt more comfortable? Tell us? 174 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, When I walked into the mansion and I saw 175 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: these incredible women, it was overwhelmed, right, And I mean 176 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: I gravitated right away to Roxanne and Cheryl. 177 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 4: They are just so girls. 178 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 3: They're so darn sweet, and you know, just our great listeners, 179 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: and I could just feel their sincerity and but honestly, 180 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 3: I just thought all of the women were amazing. 181 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 4: And you know, I knew this was gonna how it 182 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 4: was going to be. I knew it. 183 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: I thought, if these women went through what I went 184 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 3: through to get on the show, then they are dynamic 185 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 3: risk takers, adventurous spirits, accomplished and oh boy were they ever? 186 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: Who were your best friends in the house, who you 187 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: know when you met them, your roommates, Who are your 188 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: best buds? 189 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was. 190 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: You know, I roomed with seven women at first and 191 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: shared the bathrooms. 192 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 4: She had Kathy, so a lot of those women. 193 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: Of course, you know, Cheryl was in my room, Roxanne 194 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: was in my room. I loved Mileen and then Monica 195 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: Pe we called her Barbie, just the sweetest. But I 196 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: have to say Terry and I bonded right away because 197 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: she was the very first woman I met. We shared 198 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: the limo, and so she was doing her puppet stuff 199 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: in the limo and having us just cracking up Alex 200 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: with her sassy self. I mean, she was incredible and 201 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: then Lily was so she was holding her lilyes. 202 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, I'm gonna be Okay, I'm gonna be okay. 203 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 2: It sounds it just sounds so similar towards that, all 204 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: those feelings of excitement, apprehension. Then you walk out and 205 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: you see this good looking guy. So okay, we gotta 206 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: fast forward now. So sadly, you know, you were not 207 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: around for our slumber party that we brought uh or 208 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 2: you know, pajamas for and we saw you come in 209 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: from your date, but we just didn't get it. You 210 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: were coming as we were leaving, but you looked you 211 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: looked absolutely beautiful. But I want to know how was 212 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: your connection with mel you know, going into the date, 213 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 2: because Debbie, this is where your path and my path diverges. 214 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: I never had a one on one date, So tell me. 215 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: I thanks, Susan, thank you just want to put anything 216 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: else out there, But seriously, what it felt like going 217 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: into the date and then about the date and then 218 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: coming home? How did you feel with the connection. 219 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 3: Well, going into the date, I was super excited and nervous, 220 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 3: and I'm sure you saw the clip of me getting 221 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: the one on one and I was so ridiculous the 222 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: way my emotion over. 223 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 4: But honestly, you guys, it was a combination of the 224 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 4: build up of emotion. 225 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 3: Right, and then really the complete shock because I was 226 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 3: convinced Rob Sand was going to get that and all 227 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: of us actually were, so. 228 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 4: It was shock. 229 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 3: It was almost oh my goodness, I couldn't believe it. 230 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: And then excitement and what can I say. I'm a 231 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: sensitive goal. 232 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 4: Where my heart is. But I really only had. 233 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: A very little, very brief time with him at the 234 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: cheerleading competition and then at the pool party. I did 235 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: have a moment and I felt we really connected in 236 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 3: that moment. 237 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 4: But did I think that was enough? I you know, 238 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 4: I really didn't. So I was just so pleased. And 239 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 4: then going into. 240 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: The date, Oh my gosh, well he shows up and 241 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 3: he's just gorgeous, and I'm not I'm just more excited 242 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 3: than nervous, and I don't know where we're going, and 243 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: I'm thinking, you know, Cherry lad this fairy tale one 244 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 3: on one right, yes, and you know, we're driving and 245 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: driving into deep north Hollywood and we pull into this 246 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: funky little strip. 247 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 4: Mall and. 248 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: You know, my heart kind of drops and I thought, 249 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: where's the helicopter. 250 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 4: Right, the yell happening? 251 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: Where's the yacht? 252 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: And then I see like this pizza sign and he says, 253 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 3: we're gonna go have pizza, and I said, oh, I 254 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: love pizza. And I'm thinking what I mean, I'm in 255 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 3: a dress. But when we walked in there, you guys, 256 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 3: I recognize chef Ludo right away because I watched the 257 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 3: top chef and I thought, oh my goodness. And we 258 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 3: had a cooking lesson from she looked. 259 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: Up, okay, so let me. 260 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: In your caskin and on that date, like you just 261 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: felt the moment and went with it. I loved your 262 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: hands slipping on his ass. 263 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we saw. But here's the thing I 264 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: got to ask you, Debbie, I don't cook Susan's right. 265 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: I could give a flip. I don't care who this 266 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: chef is. I'm sure he's great. I want to know 267 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: what did you guys talk to Like did you get 268 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: any deep moments of this could be my guy? Like 269 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 2: what was the conversation like again, I never had this choice. 270 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: You know this, I want to hear. 271 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, the. 272 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: Date was fun and playful, and we did feel very 273 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: natural with each other. It was I felt like that 274 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: I knew this guy forever. And when we finished, you know, 275 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: our little cooking lesson, we got to go around the 276 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: corner to this intimate, romantic, exclusive, little French bistro and 277 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: having our intimate conversation in front of all the cameras. 278 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, get to the details. I want to know what 279 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: was the intimate conversation, And. 280 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 4: The details were basically I mean what I found. 281 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: It was difficult to pull stuff out of him, like 282 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: he would kind of deflect and it would turn back 283 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: on me, and I was kind of trying to get 284 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 3: more information. 285 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 4: And he did talk about. 286 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 3: His mom being a badass and got him into reading, 287 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: and his dad, you know, how much he loved his father, 288 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: and you know, I could feel that because his dad passed, 289 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: you know, recently, and they just had a great relationship, 290 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 3: and you know, but mainly it felt like he wanted 291 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: to know about me, and he wanted to know about 292 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: my past relationships, you know why I've never been married 293 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: and all those things. But yet I do feel like 294 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: we had some moments that were great because we talked 295 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: about travel and he was quite impressed that I traveled 296 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 3: for the very first time to Europe by myself when 297 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: I was thirty, and he's traveled extensively, and he can 298 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 3: make friends anywhere. And one of the friends he made 299 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 3: on one of his trips when he was quite young, 300 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: he's still friends with And so we had a real 301 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:45,239 Speaker 3: fun conversation surrounding that, and you know, we had some kisses, 302 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 3: and you got the rose and I got the rose. 303 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 4: And he was so sweet when he gave me the rose. 304 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: And I loved hearing after the fact, you know, when 305 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: I'm listening to the to the promo pieces and that, 306 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 3: you know, I was just tight and I felt that, 307 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 3: you know, I felt like we were each other's type 308 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: for sure. 309 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: Can we summarize the date by coming home? You came home. 310 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: I mean, you looked so happy. I'm guessing it was 311 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: everything you wanted and more. 312 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 4: It was. 313 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so happy for you. I'm so glad that 314 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: you've had that. 315 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, we were all pleased. We were all fans, trust me. 316 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: All right, Well, so get into this week, boy, tell us, 317 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: because Susan has a few things to say. How was 318 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: the group date for you? 319 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: Well, I will say this, the People magazine shoot was 320 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: over the top, Like, honestly, we didn't know where we 321 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: were going, but you know, beforehand we had our makeup 322 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: and hair done, so we were grateful for that because 323 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: God knows, we were doing our own hair. 324 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: Make hold on, hold on, you got your hair and 325 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 2: makeup done for that shot. Yes, listen, we had to. 326 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: I had to do everybody. 327 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: Anyway, carry on, just a little at that was. 328 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 3: But you know, we had to pick from a rack 329 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 3: of different themes for the beach shoot, and I actually 330 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 3: grabbed the beach Patrol because it was this red bathing suit, 331 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: but it had a really nice long red sarong which 332 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 3: I wanted to cover my legs. And the girls are 333 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 3: so cute because they know I've never worn a wedding dress. 334 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: I've never even tried one on. So the girls are like, no, Debbie, 335 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 3: this is you beach bride. And I said, oh my gosh, 336 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 3: how sweet. So I wore the gorgeous. 337 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: Oh no, look beautiful. 338 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 2: You looked beautiful, Debbie. I will say, uh. It was 339 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: somewhat of a disaster in our season when we had 340 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: the photo shoot and there were like three or four 341 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 2: brides because apparently Carrie didn't want to be monogamous. But 342 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: it didn't go as well because women got upset because 343 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: they hadn't want a bathing suit. But I will tell 344 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: you the beach dress that you had on wedding gown. 345 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: It was like a white slip. You looked beautiful, and 346 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: I said to Susan, it was it was beautiful because 347 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 2: I could imagine you getting married on the beach in 348 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 2: that dress. 349 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: I have a question for you, de Wie. At this 350 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: point in time, did you realize that you already have 351 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: feelings after your date? 352 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: Like? 353 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: Were you in it? Now? 354 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 3: Okay, yes I was, and then wearing this beautiful dress 355 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: and I had a veil too, But when I was 356 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: doing the photo shoot with. 357 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 4: Melth fell off right. 358 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 3: But first of all, we get to the beach and 359 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 3: we don't know what's happening. We walk up and the 360 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 3: production is giant, and Melle's standing there with this gorgeous 361 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 3: woman and he introduces her and we all look at 362 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: each other, thinking, oh my goodness, this is going to 363 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 3: be so epic. And you know, it was so cool 364 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 3: because it had drone shots. 365 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: And yeah yeah. 366 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: But here I am trying to get ready really fast 367 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 3: because I'm first up on the beach to have my 368 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 3: one on one photoshoot with him, and I'm walking up 369 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 3: in the in the wedding dress and he looks incredible 370 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 3: and he says, oh my gosh, I missed you. 371 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 4: And then he said, let's just do our valves right now. 372 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: I heard that. 373 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm ready. Be careful what you wish for, 374 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: care what you promise. 375 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 3: It was it was so much fun. We just again, 376 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 3: we just are so natural and comfortable together. And and 377 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 3: then I watch everybody else's one on one. 378 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: Well I saw your face, yeah, and I felt you. 379 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: I have a lot of empathy, and watching you watch 380 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: it was hard. 381 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: Didn't you say something when you didn't you? I can't remember. 382 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: There was something you said when Cindy and Mel were 383 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 2: in the surf making out, you said something I can't remember. 384 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 3: You know, well, first of all, you know, the photographer 385 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 3: picked who he thought had the best chemistry with Mel, 386 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 3: and I thought for sure it was going to be me, right, 387 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 3: but it was Cindy, And so we all had to 388 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 3: go back up onto the deck and watch them rolling 389 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 3: around in the sand like they were replicating. 390 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 4: From here to Eternity, you know that movie. 391 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was going like this, no boo. Well, 392 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: you know what, I like a woman who knows what 393 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 2: she wants in her man. I mean, you know, you 394 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: know who could say anything wrong with that? But I okay, 395 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: So we loved how you looked. You gorgeous in the dress. 396 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 2: Clearly you and mel have a connection. There's no denying that. 397 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: You can see it getting stronger each week. Now let's 398 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: get to one of the prettier parts of this episode, 399 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: which would be how you feel about that old drama 400 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: with Nicole at this point, As. 401 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 3: Far as Nicole's drama, I didn't have any problem with 402 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 3: her at all. I mean I shared a bedroomin of 403 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 3: bathroom with her. She did my makeup for my one 404 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: on one day. 405 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: Wow. 406 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: And by the way, she is a fabulous makeup artist, 407 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 3: and I found. 408 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: Her I will come in handy for her influencing, I'm 409 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: telling you. 410 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 3: But she is funny, she is smart, she's charming, she 411 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: cooked for us. She but you know, women had an 412 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 3: issue with it, but honestly I was. I even in 413 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 3: my interview I said, you know, you do you I 414 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 3: am not a flirt like that. I kind of wish 415 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: I was. I mean, I have a hard time with flirting. 416 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: I had to really put myself in, you know, out 417 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: of my comfort zone. I always hung back, you know, 418 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: I wasn't the first to pounce on him, So there 419 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 3: was a part of me that was kind of almost 420 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 3: envious that she. 421 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 4: So brave, and you know, she was very unapologetic about it. 422 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 3: She would do it again, and and I just, you know, honestly, 423 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 3: I didn't care. 424 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: I don't mind that part at all. I admire that 425 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: she's upfront and center. Is the part that she was 426 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: there for becoming a great influencer and then talking to 427 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: all the ladies about it and then saying the most 428 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: negative comment about our show that we weren't very attractive. 429 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 4: I didn't hear that. 430 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, said that we were not as good 431 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 2: looking as your crowd. So now, looking at you, Debbie, 432 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 2: I might have to agree with her. But it's okay, 433 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 2: it's okay. You know, we're all good. It's women supporting women, 434 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: and and I love your attitude about Nicole, because while 435 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: we all love women supporting women, the other side is, 436 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: you know, this is your shot, Take your shot, shoot 437 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: at whatever that expression is. Everyone has different ways of 438 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 2: relating to men, and that's her way. And you know, 439 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: ultimately he's either going to decide he likes that, or 440 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: he's going to decide he doesn't. 441 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, and that's what I thought. 442 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 3: And you know, the only thing I guess maybe I 443 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 3: was a little bummed about is it took so much 444 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 3: time from you know, because he was in the pool 445 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 3: for such a long time. And I even said, you know, shoot, 446 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 3: it just took me two and a half hours to 447 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: get ready. I ain't jumping in the pool. 448 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: You know, we've got a dirty straight Debbie. 449 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: Debbie, did you feel a bit more confident when you 450 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: went into the rose ceremony? Yes, because you had that 451 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: I had the rose. 452 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 3: But after, you know, after the group date, yes, I did. 453 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 3: I definitely felt confident. I didn't know, you know, how 454 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 3: far it would make it or anything like that, because 455 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 3: I just find all these women to be so spectacular, 456 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: and you know, everybody brings so. 457 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 4: Much to the table, and. 458 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: You know, and it was just an interestine wild ride. 459 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 3: It's so surreal, right. 460 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. 461 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: The whole time, I kept pinching myself thinking it was 462 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 3: almost like an out of body experience. 463 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 2: Really, yeah, right, I know it is. 464 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: I know it was real. It was, Yeah, and it 465 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: just gives all so many women hope that you know, 466 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: life is full of possibilities. It is not over at sixty. Yes, 467 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: and not everybody's going to end up on the TV show, but. 468 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 3: Right, but that's the biggest message, Susan. Yes, you know, 469 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 3: because I had given up. 470 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 4: I really did. I had given up. 471 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 3: I haven't been in a relationship in fifteen years. 472 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: Right, Well, and that's what you know. People ask us 473 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 2: when we came off the show, and Susan and I 474 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: have said repeatedly, it's this is your last chapter. Let's 475 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: make it the best, the longest. You can find love, 476 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: you can find happiness, you can find fitness, you can 477 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: find whatever you want if you're willing to put in 478 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: the work and find it. And that is the great message, 479 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,239 Speaker 2: I think the best message of the Golden Bachelor. We 480 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: all want to find love, but not all are going 481 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: to on that show, right, right, unless you're a polygamist, 482 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: And that's a whole other TV show. So so wait, Debbie, 483 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: do you have any questions for us? We've been running 484 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 2: our mouths. Do you have any questions for us? 485 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 4: I do? I wonder if you ladies have found love? 486 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: Yes you have? Yes. Oh. It was just this year 487 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: Kathy and I were on vacation in Saint Martin and 488 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: we went out that night for dinner, had an expressive 489 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: Martini couldn't sleep and I'm laying We washed our face, 490 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: did our girl talk. She goes up to bed and 491 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm playing games on my iPad, wide awake, and I said, 492 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: I want to download Tinder first person. 493 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 4: No. 494 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, he lives in Saint Martin. He's French, she speaks 495 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: mostly French. They spend a lot of time together. And 496 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: my answer is very quickly no. But you know what, 497 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 2: it's the fact that we just keep at it and 498 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: we keep looking and not giving up. It's the positive, positive. 499 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: And keeping yourself out there in a positive way. Kathy, 500 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: exactly right. 501 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: Any other questions, Yes, I wondered, because I know that 502 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 3: we're all talking about we're gonna be friends forever and 503 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 3: we want to see each other, and I'm wondering how 504 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 3: many of you actually are still in touch and you know, 505 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 3: still see each other. 506 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: As far as seeing each other. Mostly that us East 507 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: Coast and Kathy in Texas, like it's Teresa to myself, 508 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: and then Joan and Nancy live close together, and Kathy 509 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: and I are always together. 510 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: Right, I will say, I will say we're friends with everybody, 511 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 2: obviously the women that you on the show with longer. 512 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: Obviously you have a tighter relationship with that with them. 513 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 2: But Nancy and Joan and Susan are coming to my 514 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 2: house at the end of the month. Yeah, and we're 515 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna leave some scars in Austin. We're gonna 516 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: change the city. Uh. But but we have other friends. 517 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 2: I mean I talked to Leslie, but you're not you know, 518 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 2: you're you can't be as good friends with everybody. But 519 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: what a gift these friendships have been. I mean, you 520 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: will see that as time goes on. It's such a gift. 521 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 2: We aren't all gonna get Gary, We're not all thank God, 522 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: we're not all gonna get mel but we can have 523 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: each other. 524 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: Kathy. Remember the other question we used to ask on 525 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: our podcast. If you had to pick three people to 526 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: be on a deserted island with, who would they be? 527 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 4: M Y, oh. 528 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, I would pick Oh my god, that's so hard. 529 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 3: I would pick I would pick Rock Sanne. I just 530 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: adore her and I love how spiritual she is. She's 531 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 3: very deep, like I am. She's just got a lot 532 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 3: of layers. She's a really good listener, she's a great dancer. 533 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 4: We would have a lot of fun. 534 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 3: For sure, Okay, and well probably Amy because she just. 535 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: O and somebody good. 536 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 3: And she could figure out, you know, what to cook 537 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 3: on this deserted island because she would cook for us 538 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: all the time. 539 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 4: And then probably Terry because she'd bring she'd have her puppet, 540 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 4: and you know, yeah. 541 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: Wow, I love it. As the seasons are building, now 542 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: this is the third. You know, first it was ours, 543 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: and then Joan and then mel and as our family 544 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: gets bigger and bigger, how things evolve and change, like 545 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: just on the show alone, right, I know. 546 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 4: No. 547 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 2: Before to us being friends, all of us, the two 548 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: groups of women. 549 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 3: That's then you know what I'm telling you, this is 550 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 3: the one of the things I was most hopeful for 551 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: that even if I don't find love, I'm going to 552 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: make amazing new friendships. 553 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 4: I'm going to blow up my life. I'm going to 554 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: expand my life. 555 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 3: Because since moving to Dunver, my life has gotten a 556 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 3: little small. And I just realized, Debbie, you need to 557 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 3: light a fire under your butt. 558 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 4: You need to shake things up again. And I knew 559 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 4: that this would and. 560 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: So Kathy and I will come to Denver. We will 561 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: come to Denver. 562 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 4: We will call Cheryl lives here too, Charyl. 563 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: We told Robin we're going to go to the winery. 564 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: Now we'll go to Denver. 565 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you will take us. 566 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 4: On her motorcross dirt bikes to God. 567 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: Okay, on that happy note before I break a leg, 568 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: that we've got to wrap this up. But it was 569 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 2: so much fun, Debbie, actually chatting with you and not 570 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: watch you go up the stairs and not being able 571 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 2: to talk to you. So this has been grand and 572 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 2: we really love getting to know you are a lovely 573 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: human being inside and out. Truly, thank you so much. 574 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 4: I've enjoyed every single second of it. I was so. 575 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 3: Looking forward to it, and I'll make sure that I, 576 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: you know, post and you know, I want everybody to 577 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 3: check it. 578 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: Out and we'll follow each other and we'll get together. 579 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: We'll definitely get together. 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