Speaker 1: The Ladies of Orange County took a trip to Ireland,
Speaker 1: and it's anything but relaxing. After a bumpy start to
Speaker 1: their vacation, the ladies head off on separate adventures. The
Speaker 1: two groups reconvened for dinner, where Kelly awkwardly tries to
Speaker 1: make amends with Tamra. However, the peace treaty doesn't last long.
Speaker 1: Comedian Justin Martindale joins me to break down this episode.
Speaker 1: This is Real Housewives of Orange County Season eleven, episode sixteen,
Speaker 1: bringing up old ghosts, Let's get into it. How are you?
Speaker 2: Good morning, afternoon, Good to see you.
Speaker 1: Where are you?
Speaker 3: I'm in La right now. This is my podcast studio.
Speaker 3: I'm actually rich us at the Comedy Store.
Speaker 1: Oh you have a podcast studio at the comedy store?
Speaker 1: I do, Yes, that's cool. Is that way? I just
Speaker 1: watched that documentary? Was that about the Comedy Store? That
Speaker 1: was about the Comedy Store?
Speaker 2: Right the the Showtime one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy Mike Binder? I think maybe was it him?
Speaker 2: Probably? So? I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a whole bunch of.
Speaker 3: Little documentaries here and there. Yeah, they just celebrated their
Speaker 3: fiftieth anniversary here. So I take my podcast just saying
Speaker 3: with Jussein martinall here, we've been doing it for like
Speaker 3: a year now, and yeah, it's really taking off.
Speaker 2: We're having a good time with it.
Speaker 1: How long have you been a stand up fourteen years?
Speaker 2: This year September? Yeah, this September. Wait, actually this June
Speaker 2: was when I got past here at the comedy store. So, yeah, do.
Speaker 1: You ever know bomb? Do you still do bomb? Ever?
Speaker 2: I mean no, no, you don't really bomb? No, I do. Everyone.
Speaker 2: You have to. You have to bomb to get better.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like skiing, like if you're not going down the
Speaker 1: harder trails. Is that what it is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, avoid the trees at all costs, you know, but
Speaker 3: like every now and then you fall down, you get
Speaker 3: back up.
Speaker 2: That's just how it is.
Speaker 1: I did stand up one time at UH. I had
Speaker 1: ten days to prepare. It was just something I discussed
Speaker 1: with Paul, my fiance, and then because I'd set it
Speaker 1: out loud, I kind of challenged myself and I did
Speaker 1: it at New York Comedy Club. And it was the
Speaker 1: first night that the comedy clubs were opening during the
Speaker 1: pandemic that I didn't think about the fact that people
Speaker 1: would be wearing masks, and had to be six feet apart,
Speaker 1: which is the opposite of comedy.
Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: It was a weird thing. And I would say, like
Speaker 1: if if it were getting a grade, I got like
Speaker 1: a seven out of ten, and me it got laps.
Speaker 1: It landed. I didn't feel like naked and afraid. I
Speaker 1: definitely didn't bomb, and I understood. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: know what it really felt like, because it's something that
Speaker 1: people say I could do that, and everyone when I
Speaker 1: said I was going to do it, my accountant and
Speaker 1: oh I'd be great at that. I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll get up and do it. And I was happy
Speaker 1: that I tried it. Like that, I did it. It
Speaker 1: was three minutes. I called a bunch of comedians that
Speaker 1: I know like and I had a lot of respect
Speaker 1: for the medium because everyone responded like Chris Rock and
Speaker 1: Ellen and Kathy Griffin. And when you come everyone responded
Speaker 1: with real advice, like long advice, and it was all
Speaker 1: different advice, but I I Kevin Kneel it. It was
Speaker 1: a great experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you like cherish those little moments and when when
Speaker 3: actual comics give you that advice, that's what makes you better.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and so you just keep
Speaker 3: going and going and perfecting it and everything. We did
Speaker 3: it during when that same time, we were doing stand
Speaker 3: up in parking lots oh people in their cars, like
Speaker 3: in a drive through, and we're on stage and everyone's
Speaker 3: in their car and they're flashing their lights and they.
Speaker 2: Have little clickers like clicking out out.
Speaker 1: That's an experience.
Speaker 2: It was so weird. I was like, Okay, I'm glad
Speaker 2: that's over with.
Speaker 1: Well, there are rules too, which I didn't realize, Like
Speaker 1: they're different and you can decide on your own, but
Speaker 1: like pick up the microphone, put the microphone down, get
Speaker 1: rid of the stool, but the stool like dumb things
Speaker 1: that like I wouldn't have thought about, and I never
Speaker 1: thought about that. Each person has their own style, like
Speaker 1: you fit into are you a storyteller, you a joke
Speaker 1: teller or you a ranter like a riot? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you?
Speaker 2: I'm a storyteller.
Speaker 1: Like they're long, like a Kevin Nealon style, like they
Speaker 1: leave into each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of sort of like a storyteller kind of
Speaker 3: picking up pop culture things that are happening around.
Speaker 2: That's very much like what my podcast is.
Speaker 3: And like observational humor and like how people are trying
Speaker 3: to just make it into this crazy world, you know,
Speaker 3: and and yeah, that's right, I do. I love I
Speaker 3: love telling stories and doing characters and voices and all that.
Speaker 1: Kind of stuff. Oh you do characters and voices?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well maybe we'll do one. Well okay, So
Speaker 1: are you a Housewives fan at all or you know.
Speaker 2: What I am?
Speaker 3: And ish I'm new to the Housewives, I know, I
Speaker 3: know of you, I know of you, know Ramona, I
Speaker 3: know all of that. I'm personally a Beverly Hill, Miami
Speaker 3: Housewives fan just because I just love.
Speaker 1: Over the top y you know. Yeah, but you're so
Speaker 1: you're not fluent, but you could. You can get by
Speaker 1: on the language of leave even Orange County, where we are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, yes, of course Orange County.
Speaker 3: Actually the episode you said me, I remember watching that one,
Speaker 3: so I was like, oh, thank god, like.
Speaker 1: So, yes, that's funny, because I am not, believe it
Speaker 1: or not, I'm not fluent at all. I never even
Speaker 1: watched my own except for to see the one rough
Speaker 1: cut just to see if you were safe or dead,
Speaker 1: like if you're going to live, have a bad week
Speaker 1: or a good week, like, and that was it. I
Speaker 1: didn't watch it in real time with commercials or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then I only used to watch Atlanta in the beginning.
Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not fluent either, which is ironic.
Speaker 1: So they're in Ireland and the first thing I'm noticing
Speaker 1: is Heather's Chanel rainboots. I don't know why they jumped
Speaker 1: off the page. I just was like, wow, I kind
Speaker 1: of want those those rain boots. They've jumped off the page. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, how, I don't know if the
Speaker 1: women look like this now, but everybody struck me as
Speaker 1: very pretty and like there are other cities where they
Speaker 1: spend more time on their glam. This is like pre
Speaker 1: mac Daddy glam. But I thought I just really thought
Speaker 1: everyone looked sort of fresh and pretty, which I don't
Speaker 1: always take the time to say, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like an Irish spring rain, you know, just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, everybody, everybody exactly exactly. Okay, So Vicky Vicky,
Speaker 1: they should do a show called Vicky and Vans. Vicky
Speaker 1: gets her hand caught in the goddamn van like I
Speaker 1: thought she was gonna and she had a thing earlier
Speaker 1: in like the beginning Housewives of her cursing out a
Speaker 1: driver because of a minivan to the airport.
Speaker 3: You know what, I always wonder if producers can like intervene,
Speaker 3: you know, like can help and they just let her
Speaker 3: just dislocate her shoulder for a while. She's just like,
Speaker 3: can someone And we're like, no, this is this is
Speaker 3: the journey you're on.
Speaker 1: Thank god, this was only a dislocation of a shoulder.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, Vicki and Vance is a great watch. What happens?
Speaker 1: You know, Vickey Advance, you need one more because things
Speaker 1: are better than threes. But the one thing about Vicky,
Speaker 1: she's never been the reason she's on my rush more
Speaker 1: like a Ninni or Teresa, is she's not afraid to
Speaker 1: look bad. Like she's not afraid, she's not she's not
Speaker 1: always crafting what the audience is going to see, like
Speaker 1: she doesn't mind looking messy. She gets dirty, she.
Speaker 2: Gets dirty, and you know what, she grunts? I love,
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 3: I do the same thing when I'm in the car,
Speaker 3: Like if like my boyfriend always makes fun of me,
Speaker 3: he's just like, you're very vocal. Like if there's like
Speaker 3: bad traffic, I'm always like hoop and he's like Okay,
Speaker 3: that's that's my Vicky. I feel like Vicky grunts and
Speaker 3: makes sounds and I'm kind of here for it.
Speaker 1: She expresses herself. She'd be a good fully artist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, making sounds.
Speaker 1: For movies exactly, all right. So I found that the
Speaker 1: ancestry scene was very produced, like that's where the producers
Speaker 1: think they have a good idea, let's play Pim the
Speaker 1: tale and the donkey at the birthday part. Like it
Speaker 1: just felt very produced. And the airmes bag and the
Speaker 1: furry vest, you know, h but.
Speaker 2: I mean, did she look good for Fall? Megan? Yes,
Speaker 2: she looked great, you know, I thought.
Speaker 1: And Kelly. I mean, Kelly had the airms bag and
Speaker 1: the furry thing. But I thought Kelly looked. I thought
Speaker 1: Kelly looked good for Fall too. Megan's very pretty. They're
Speaker 1: very pretty, I thought the scene, but I did.
Speaker 2: How weird, I mean, think of it.
Speaker 3: This is I totally agree with you the we're going
Speaker 3: to take these women to Ireland, but at the same
Speaker 3: time you're going to ask random strangers if you're related
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 1: I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Amazed. How was no one? How was there no pepper?
Speaker 1: Is it because like Irish families typically like eleven children
Speaker 1: in them, so you're bound to be. He's like a
Speaker 1: stereotype is like.
Speaker 2: Cancelationship Irish at all. I have no Irish or Scottish.
Speaker 3: Cut to me getting at twenty three and me and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm one hundred percent Irish, like I have
Speaker 3: no idea, but I have no.
Speaker 1: I think that I did. I did one of those,
Speaker 1: the other one ancestry, and I was like a tiny
Speaker 1: but Irish but not not enough to count. But I
Speaker 1: went to a Catholic school in Rockville Center, Long Island,
Speaker 1: which is a very Irish community, and everybody's last name
Speaker 1: is Gallagher or Murphy, and everybody's first name is Maureen
Speaker 1: or Meghan. And there were like people had eleven kids,
Speaker 1: seven brothers and sisters. And it's like Dennis Leary has
Speaker 1: like seven brothers and sisters. That's the cliche. You're going
Speaker 1: to be related to someone, Okay, And I I want
Speaker 1: to know what you thought about the comment. So it
Speaker 1: kurts me now watching it. Back when I saw things
Speaker 1: years ago, I saw the whole medium differently, and now
Speaker 1: watching it it's like breaking down a football game or something.
Speaker 1: I'm not in it, and I see it differently, And
Speaker 1: it wasn't Kelly saying it directly to Tamra. It was
Speaker 1: Kelly saying to another woman, that's why her kid doesn't
Speaker 1: speak to her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 3: It was Kelly saying something like, what this is why
Speaker 3: her daughter doesn't speak to her? And of course it
Speaker 3: gets back to Tamra, right, okay, or what did you
Speaker 3: think was going to happen?
Speaker 1: Right? Well? In reality TV, everything has to be put
Speaker 1: on the lazy Susan in the center of the table.
Speaker 1: Nothing can be that's what producers. You know, Tinsley's trying
Speaker 1: on wedding dresses when not engaged. The producers don't put
Speaker 1: on me. I put it on the center of the
Speaker 1: table at the lazy Susan because it has to come
Speaker 1: into the show. That's what we're all doing. We're supposed
Speaker 1: to trash each other and someone has to win and
Speaker 1: someone has to lose. But it did strike forget.
Speaker 3: There has to be a black and white filter, something dramatic.
Speaker 2: From the Ghost of Housewives past. Yes, remind you of
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 1: That's so what a good creative note, right, The flashback
Speaker 1: has to show you that it's a black and white
Speaker 1: grainy gritty hallways scene fact. Yes, yes, but how many
Speaker 1: things do you say about other people that even like
Speaker 1: your parents, your sister, your brother, your cousin, your boss,
Speaker 1: your assistant assistant, like your agent, you're whoever, your booker,
Speaker 1: the person in the next room at the comedy store,
Speaker 1: if they heard the things that you say about them,
Speaker 1: like it'd be ripped to shreds. So it's like it
Speaker 1: seemed bad and now it doesn't seem that bad because
Speaker 1: she didn't say it to her. It was a throwaway comment.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like nowadays it's even more just.
Speaker 3: You know, you find out things that people are saying
Speaker 3: about you, and it's just the gates are open, you know.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, is that a thing where it's
Speaker 3: like I feel like that's very Treesia. It's like, you
Speaker 3: don't talk about my family, you know, it's very as
Speaker 3: family's off right.
Speaker 1: To other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, but no, I mean while she's fucking her husband's
Speaker 1: best friend, I mean, you're gonna say that to you
Speaker 1: to somebody you know, like, you know, wow, staying never
Speaker 1: are home with the kids, the kids are raised by
Speaker 1: ned like a throw away comment, Like it's a throwaway comment.
Speaker 1: So it gets brought in, and there's another reality sort
Speaker 1: of nugget that I was guilty of once in taking
Speaker 1: the bait, Like if you take the bait, it becomes
Speaker 1: a bigger scene and it becomes more of a Housewives
Speaker 1: moment when it's exactly the opposite of what you want.
Speaker 1: Because Tamer really doesn't want her relationship with her daughter,
Speaker 1: which was strained coming into the show. It triggers her
Speaker 1: and she goes crazy. When if she was just like, oh, okay, great, anyways,
Speaker 1: past past the Irish cream, it wouldn't have been but.
Speaker 2: Like that's the Irish cream.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a less for life that you gotta
Speaker 1: hold sometimes and not take the bait.
Speaker 2: But also Tamer knows what's good television.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Absolutely She's like, ye happened, Oh, let's bring Christianity into it.
Speaker 1: And I agree with you on the Christianity. But I
Speaker 1: think there are times when something comes out that crosses
Speaker 1: over that line of it being good television, and you
Speaker 1: really just are like raw and you really just don't
Speaker 1: want like bad mothering to be something in the media
Speaker 1: like that's a line, or like there are things where
Speaker 1: like you're like this is the line and this is like,
Speaker 1: you know, the Denise Richard Richards Bravo, Bravo, bra that's
Speaker 1: when the line is crossing. You can tell that that's
Speaker 1: like they don't want that to be good TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair, You know, I.
Speaker 1: Thought this was I having been there, I thought this
Speaker 1: was one of them.
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Speaker 1: What about the scene with the cows, Will you ever
Speaker 1: drink milk again, don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, when did this turn into the Real Housewives
Speaker 3: of Fear Factor, because it's just it's no one signed
Speaker 3: up for this.
Speaker 2: Did he enjoy it? Yes?
Speaker 3: But I thought, for a second, anytime there's like cows
Speaker 3: and hazmat suits, I don't know why, but I think
Speaker 3: they're going to like do the whole single life fisting
Speaker 3: the cow thing.
Speaker 2: Can I say fisting the cow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure here you can like a rectal example
Speaker 1: of the cow.
Speaker 2: The cow.
Speaker 3: Okay, But I thought that's what we were going to
Speaker 3: get into, and I was like, I didn't sign up
Speaker 3: for this. I watched this on Saturday morning. I'm having
Speaker 3: my coffee, like having my croissant. I'm like, well, here
Speaker 3: we are, We're going to watch some cowshit on these
Speaker 3: poor women.
Speaker 2: Did I live? Yes? I did?
Speaker 3: But no, no, no, But I you know, I wanted,
Speaker 3: you know, some insight on how the Bailey's Irish cream
Speaker 3: farm work.
Speaker 1: So you know, oh, yeah, I'm sure that was great branding.
Speaker 1: Now I want to drink Irish crea. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: felt I have when you watch TV if you see
Speaker 1: like clutter in the background or certain thing, like I
Speaker 1: felt dirty at lunch. Yeah, I watched them, and I
Speaker 1: watched Heather take off our Chanel boots. I was fixated
Speaker 1: by where she must have put them. And then they
Speaker 1: had the hazmat suits and they took it all up,
Speaker 1: and I felt like they were dirty. At lunch. I
Speaker 1: could not get away from like the urine and like
Speaker 1: all of it. So I felt dirty at lunch. And
Speaker 1: then the steak of it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, didn't they have steak afterwards?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like, I'm now eating the cow. I
Speaker 1: just I mean, it was like Pete must have gone
Speaker 1: goddamn bananas. I mean, honestly insane.
Speaker 2: It was like it's a movie like that where they
Speaker 2: there's like some horrifying scene and then they like showed dinner,
Speaker 2: you know, and you're like, oh, that's what that was. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also I'm sorry, but I would be taking a
Speaker 3: full on silkwood shower after that.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, he's rubbing.
Speaker 3: And just like no, and the smell I could smell
Speaker 3: it horrible.
Speaker 1: I love when I all hugged. I do think that
Speaker 1: that reminds me of why the shows don't need to
Speaker 1: be so trashy. They can be just lucy abolish. That
Speaker 1: was like sort of the Lucy and Ethel moment. But
Speaker 1: we had a couple of nipples references. It was nipples
Speaker 1: and steaks and then Vicky showing her tits to FaceTime
Speaker 1: to Heather's husband, I need out at lunch. Well you
Speaker 1: mean not in a blue gown in a doctor's office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just that.
Speaker 3: But is that the same ones where she said that
Speaker 3: she has the best vagina as well?
Speaker 1: No, they flashed back to her fake cancer boyfriend saying
Speaker 1: that she has a gorgeous vagina black and white filter.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was. I think it was a
Speaker 1: flashback to a dinner and it's weird. I believed him.
Speaker 1: I'm now thinking about Vicky's vagina. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I believed him. I didn't doubt it. I believe you
Speaker 1: did too well.
Speaker 2: Before this interview, I was, you know, last night before
Speaker 2: I went to bed, I'm like laying in bed and
Speaker 2: I think my sleep paralysis team and woke me up,
Speaker 2: and I'm staring at the ceiling going Vicky's vagina like it.
Speaker 3: Was was the first thought that I had, and I
Speaker 3: was like, is this normal? Like because I was like,
Speaker 3: now I know, well, we can add.
Speaker 1: It to your show. Vicky Vicky's vans and vaginas on TLC. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: Vicky's vans. I believed it, and I didn't believe that that.
Speaker 1: I didn't believe that Gwyneth Patro's vagina smelled like that candle.
Speaker 1: But I believe that Vicky's vagina was nice. So that's
Speaker 1: she got that across. But there was a Miami episode
Speaker 1: where one of the women got to the house and
Speaker 1: showed Lisa Hakstein's husband Lenny, who's a boob doctor. She
Speaker 1: was like, but the twins are here, like talking about
Speaker 1: her breasts at a party, and I thought, is that okay?
Speaker 1: Like because they're a doctor, I was like, so you
Speaker 1: can just show your vagina to Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: because they're a doctor, you're gonna show your breath, like
Speaker 1: hey hey guynecologist I know, or just you know Peter
Speaker 1: Lueger's but I thought i'd show you might have vagina
Speaker 1: just because I want to know if you think I need,
Speaker 1: you know, a pap smear. I think it's like that's
Speaker 1: where the line is, but that's where it's TV.
Speaker 3: I think that's also like you need to recognize when
Speaker 3: someone's off the clock, you know they're not you're not
Speaker 3: just getting a free This isn't you know?
Speaker 2: What's that? What's that coupon company that upon.
Speaker 1: Wait, what is it? The one that's like does all that?
Speaker 3: It's with a G it's a groupon no, yes, no groupons.
Speaker 3: It's like when when someone comes up to me and
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, you're a comedian, tell us a joke.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not working right now, right, I don't
Speaker 3: need it.
Speaker 2: I don't need to. I don't know you. No, I
Speaker 2: don't need to see your huha or your whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, right, Yeah, that's so true. The doctor should
Speaker 1: send yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Or if you want to send that person into a
Speaker 3: spiral and they show themselves, you just just go gross
Speaker 3: and just let them like spiral you know.
Speaker 1: This is yeah, it's exactly. This is where you this
Speaker 1: is where alcohol seems like such a good idea on
Speaker 1: reality TV because you don't think it's really happening. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a crazy thing. You would think who would ever
Speaker 1: drink to access with cameras on you? But it's it
Speaker 1: makes you feel more relaxed and you're so dehydrated. You're
Speaker 1: in Ireland, but when you're doing it, you're adrenaline is
Speaker 1: so lit and you're so dehydrated, like your nervous system
Speaker 1: is working overtime, and you know how like probably you
Speaker 1: do you know better than anyone, Like you're doing comedy,
Speaker 1: and like it just seems like a good idea, right
Speaker 1: to have a drink. Do you ever drink before doing comedy?
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was it a bad idea or a good idea?
Speaker 3: You know, it depends if it's you know, I could
Speaker 3: do like a like a cocktail, that's fine.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I've had I've had my moments where I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what, let's have you know, our seventeenth martini.
Speaker 2: What could go wrong?
Speaker 3: I've definitely had those. Those were like back in the
Speaker 3: early days. But I try to stay clear from it,
Speaker 3: just because you want to have your head clear. You
Speaker 3: want to know what's landing, what's not landing.
Speaker 1: Wait, the next day you might wake up and you
Speaker 1: thought it landed and it was like it did not
Speaker 1: land because you were fucked up and you were in
Speaker 1: your own head.
Speaker 2: But there are comics who have had that.
Speaker 3: That's happened to them more like they're on you know,
Speaker 3: they take an edible or they're smoking weed. And there's
Speaker 3: some comics who are like, that's the only way I
Speaker 3: can perform, and I'm like, I believe right, it's more
Speaker 3: terrified to me.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the Kelly Click thing? She's
Speaker 1: at that lunch and I've been there and you feel
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable. And there are certain people that are very
Speaker 1: good at the following. Ramona and Tamar are both equally
Speaker 1: good at like something having just happened and it They
Speaker 1: bring the drama but don't kill the party. Like I
Speaker 1: would be stopped down if I had heard that someone
Speaker 1: was talking about my daughter and it was brought onto camera.
Speaker 1: So ta Tamra's credit, even though it it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: that she said it to some miles. Now we're in
Speaker 1: the show. The meta of it all, it's hard to
Speaker 1: kind of get onto the next golf hole when you're
Speaker 1: still thinking about what happened and how you fucked up
Speaker 1: the last one. And Tamara and Ramona are two people
Speaker 1: to deserve credit for, like you could have done the
Speaker 1: worst thing ever in the last scene, and they're just
Speaker 1: the next scene is like a fresh start. They're like
Speaker 1: a talk show host on the next night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, I definitely feel like.
Speaker 3: They are the girls still in high school, the seniors,
Speaker 3: the popular senior girls, and they know that they kind
Speaker 3: of have the power now because they know who messed up,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: M hm. So I feel like that whole lunch was
Speaker 2: just Tamra milking.
Speaker 1: It, just like ooh no pun intended.
Speaker 2: Did you know? And Kelly felt Kelly really felt like
Speaker 2: like and Tamar had that power just to be like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about her right now. I
Speaker 2: don't want to just stop, just stop, you know, it's
Speaker 2: very she wants to talk about it, but she's gonna
Speaker 2: for all she can, you know.
Speaker 1: And I distinctly remember I was in Colombia. I don't
Speaker 1: why I remember this the most. And you kind of
Speaker 1: can remember when you feel like everyone's turning against you.
Speaker 1: You're in the show, you had it going good, something happened.
Speaker 1: I always say, the pendulum swings. This This medium is
Speaker 1: a zero sum game. You are very rarely in purgatory.
Speaker 1: If you're in purgatory, you're getting fired, you know, like
Speaker 1: someone nice like Jacqueline Marita was in purgatory for a while,
Speaker 1: but like you cannot sustain with purgatory. You can only
Speaker 1: sustain being Vicky, being loved and amazing, or being hated
Speaker 1: like and with someone like Kelly who's been disliked because
Speaker 1: she took it too far, then it gets dark and
Speaker 1: the audience hates to hate you, and it doesn't end well.
Speaker 1: It's like a very it's like limbo, it's like a seesaw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's constantly like to try to keep it. It's just
Speaker 1: never really in the middle. And so I remember being
Speaker 1: in Colombia and like I could feel, Oh, they're all
Speaker 1: turning against me. It's my turn. Like if you're if
Speaker 1: you don't know who's get you're getting whack. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: feeling like this is Kelly and her way of doing
Speaker 1: it is just like everyone's so mean, but it really
Speaker 1: doesn't land because, like you've said some pretty mean things
Speaker 1: while lashing out and sometimes being attacked, it's just not landing.
Speaker 2: But I think that's Kelly's personality. I don't know what
Speaker 2: sign she is. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've never met her, I know of her, but I
Speaker 3: definitely feel like when you push somebody and just pushing
Speaker 3: and pushing and pushing, she's just gonna you know, And
Speaker 3: I get that me too, But I think that's what
Speaker 3: it was, where it's like she's just and it's everything
Speaker 3: so close quarters.
Speaker 2: You know, she's a van, she's at the lunch. She's
Speaker 2: just like this, just leave me alone. And I think
Speaker 2: she just spits off because she's like, look, I'm getting
Speaker 2: ganged up on.
Speaker 3: And then when she says something, it's too much and
Speaker 3: then everyone's like whoa, wha, wha, who whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: What's funny, though, is it? I believe that probably both
Speaker 1: of us we watched it whenever it aired the next day,
Speaker 1: we would have been like more team Tamor and that
Speaker 1: this girl deserved it. But we're older and more evolved,
Speaker 1: and we have kind of grown with the way that
Speaker 1: society portrays things a cancelation and thinking about people's feelings.
Speaker 1: And I think that I agree with you, Like I
Speaker 1: was seeing her as a girl who you know, has
Speaker 1: had it, and and I was sympathetic towards her as well,
Speaker 1: And I just don't think that I would have been
Speaker 1: that evolved fifteen years ago to feel that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she had just had it.
Speaker 3: And I think this was prior to like how do
Speaker 3: you deal with your feelings properly?
Speaker 2: How do you you know? And this was like old
Speaker 2: school lash out, and every.
Speaker 1: Old old school lash out exactly.
Speaker 3: And when you lash out like that, then it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: now we can even go in more and make her
Speaker 3: life a living hell, which is what happens later in
Speaker 3: this episode.
Speaker 1: I think one and she's apologizing and I don't even
Speaker 1: think she knows what she's apologizing for in the beginning,
Speaker 1: like she knows she said something bad. She just wants
Speaker 1: the pain to go away. She just wants to be
Speaker 1: liked by the cool girls and like get through this trip.
Speaker 1: But the trips now, let me explain to you because
Speaker 1: we could talk about the reality reckoning later. This thing
Speaker 1: that I'm in the middle that I'm in the middle
Speaker 1: of and the front of been you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've heard about it, and have you right,
Speaker 1: So a lot of it is that where's the line, Like,
Speaker 1: where's the line? This is a workplace. Effectively, people are paid,
Speaker 1: they have to be there on time. They're not paid
Speaker 1: properly meaning from a contract standpoint, to be technical workers.
Speaker 1: But in any workplace this sort of treatment and yes
Speaker 1: it's sleep deprivation, and yes it's alcohol. Now it's not
Speaker 1: that it's clockwork orange and producers are putting toothpicks in
Speaker 1: your eyeballs and saying stay awake. But they're aware when
Speaker 1: you land, they're aware you at a jet lag, but
Speaker 1: they only have a certain number of days. They've had
Speaker 1: to maximize the money that's being spent, and you have
Speaker 1: to work all the time, and they reference that how
Speaker 1: they went to bed every night. They're exhausted. They're drinking,
Speaker 1: and you're just on a loop and you're on fumes.
Speaker 1: And I cannot express to someone who has not done
Speaker 1: this what that whole machine does to you. You've been
Speaker 1: on tour, You've been right, you've been a tour. You're
Speaker 1: in another country and another time zone. You got to
Speaker 1: get up and perform. You're fraid. So that's that ad
Speaker 1: Alcohol add a schedule at emotions and I'm not kidding, Like,
Speaker 1: you don't feel normal and you want to get off
Speaker 1: the ride. Thank you. You're having a nervous breakdown. And
Speaker 1: I want to bring that up because they later say that,
Speaker 1: which is what they said to Kelly, which is what
Speaker 1: I said about Kelly, but I didn't think about it
Speaker 1: in a holistic manner about Kelly's probably never had a
Speaker 1: nervous breakdown before with her friends, Kelly bensimone who did
Speaker 1: have a breakdown, Kelly died, probably never had a breakdown before.
Speaker 1: You're in a pressure cooker and it's all these things
Speaker 1: happening at once, which is production dream. So it's the
Speaker 1: upside down because if at work you see Jane drinking
Speaker 1: to excess, has asked, she's having it, she's she's a
Speaker 1: little afraid. Her boss has to be like, all right,
Speaker 1: I think you take the day off tomorrow. You see
Speaker 1: them a little that's not this world. This world is
Speaker 1: no take the day off, No stop shooting. Put the
Speaker 1: cameras in closer. If you're having a fucking nervous breakdown,
Speaker 1: that's TV gold.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there, get in there tight yep.
Speaker 1: So that's the whole reason for the reckoning. And I
Speaker 1: was part of the cesspool. I was the queen of
Speaker 1: the cesspool. I own my part of it. But now
Speaker 1: I'm watching this stuff differently because I've rinsed it and
Speaker 1: I'm not in it, and I'm watching this girl. In
Speaker 1: each scene people are telling her to drink. And I
Speaker 1: really believe that because the producers do say, oh my god,
Speaker 1: now you get a couple of I swear on my life.
Speaker 1: They've said, get a couple of Martins into Durinda, and
Speaker 1: then she's gonna fucking fly off.
Speaker 2: I've heard this, and I've heard I've heard this before,
Speaker 2: but that they're like, oh no, we just get them
Speaker 2: boozed up and they we just keep them, keep them in,
Speaker 2: keep feeding the cows. No, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: it's keep milking the cows.
Speaker 1: It's turn that knob in the back, wind them up.
Speaker 1: And it's not technical. It's not like, oh, we need
Speaker 1: you to drink. It's not we're pouring it down your throat.
Speaker 1: It's not that. But it's really setting everything up in
Speaker 1: the same way in the beginning of The Bachelor and Bachelorette,
Speaker 1: they don't all.
Speaker 3: Absolutely it's called there was that one episode or that
Speaker 3: one season where that one woman was just like, wasn't
Speaker 3: she just like shit faced? Is she in the She
Speaker 3: didn't even make it to like the first round, but
Speaker 3: like everyone was talking about her the next day because
Speaker 3: she was the drunk, loose, you know, crazy person.
Speaker 2: So now she loved as that for the rest of
Speaker 2: her life, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Kelly Dodd recently said, no one ever forced
Speaker 1: her to drink, But you're watching other people say have
Speaker 1: a drink, Have a drink, Have a drink. You're having
Speaker 1: a drink. I know for a fact that's production saying
Speaker 1: just get her waisted. She'll fucking do something crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, wasn't that Shannon first?
Speaker 1: It is Heather with the flask, with the child like
Speaker 1: ignoring no no means no an alcohol too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've never seen a woman with a fireball flask.
Speaker 2: You know me either, Chanelle fireball flask, Amazon wish list. Okay,
Speaker 2: just mark that down. I agree. I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Where it's just like when do we say like no,
Speaker 2: I'm okay, But then there's the peer pressure, Oh just
Speaker 2: come on, it's just one more drink and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: I want to be cool and fit in. You know,
Speaker 2: it's the old yeah program, just say.
Speaker 1: No, right and Bravo has recently published a letter to
Speaker 1: Deadline saying that they're now going to be more cognizant
Speaker 1: and more conscientious about alcohol consumption on set because I
Speaker 1: bring back work like, you don't watch someone, You don't
Speaker 1: watch someone drink nine drinks that the Christmas party, someone
Speaker 1: in management's gonna be like they need to go home, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, or someone has a problem. So this is
Speaker 1: a different, weird world where there are no rules. So
Speaker 1: that's that's part of my propaganda. So that's why you
Speaker 1: know I'm noticing it differently because I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 1: So okay, so oh it's funny. I wrote down what
Speaker 1: you said, people snap. That's interesting. I wrote that to people.
Speaker 1: Fucking snap.
Speaker 2: They snap. We see it all the time. We see
Speaker 2: it all the time.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you're right, and she wants She's calling her
Speaker 1: husband saying, I want to go home like a bit
Speaker 1: like a child. I remember me calling Dennis might pass
Speaker 1: you passed away. I want to go home like you
Speaker 1: want it. You're like a baby at school and you
Speaker 1: want to go home.
Speaker 2: Please come get me. I'm over this. I don't want
Speaker 2: to be here.
Speaker 3: And then on top of that, you're getting that different
Speaker 3: rush of adrenaline where it's like I want to go home,
Speaker 3: I don't want to be here. Then the adrenaline's more panic.
Speaker 3: You're having a panic attack. You know, your body is dehydrated, whatever,
Speaker 3: and that's it. I hate that feeling, you know of
Speaker 3: just like and you're in another country.
Speaker 1: Like nothing, and you're sleep deprived.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and all of that. You know you've been drinking
Speaker 2: the night the night before, you don't know who to trust.
Speaker 2: I get it. That's terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. And also you won't be paid if
Speaker 1: you go home.
Speaker 2: Oh really, you.
Speaker 1: Won't be Yeah, you'll be told that you won't be paid,
Speaker 1: and you won't be in an episode. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a thousand layers to it, but you're kind of trapped.
Speaker 1: And then to add and so to injury. Not only
Speaker 1: will you not be paid, you now know you're in
Speaker 1: so deep that if you walk out, they're going to
Speaker 1: talk about you in a scene. So you kind of
Speaker 1: have this addiction where you want to be in it,
Speaker 1: which is what happened with Kelly on Scary Island. She
Speaker 1: wouldn't go to bed, even though I was saying go
Speaker 1: to sleep, because she knew that we so and she
Speaker 1: was a little fucked up, I think. And it's very
Speaker 1: hard like I don't. I never saw it that way
Speaker 1: because I was, you know, we were the unsullied in
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones. But I see it definitely. So I
Speaker 1: have compassion for Kelly Dove, which I didn't think I
Speaker 1: would be saying, but I do.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: So now let's talk about this. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: to lighten it up. Their label flex seems like it's
Speaker 1: a normal level, Like it seems like women, I know,
Speaker 1: like the Chanel bag that this it's not like Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills where it's like in a frame put on a
Speaker 1: pedestal on the table. The burkin is like, yeah, rotating
Speaker 1: plexiglass box. Like it's like literally I've seen them put
Speaker 1: into the camera line, you know, like here's my giraffe
Speaker 1: notebook right in front.
Speaker 2: It real quick, let me scan it? Yes, where get it? Yes?
Speaker 1: Here, it's like in the middle of the table, like
Speaker 1: you're seeing Chanel bag flopped over. It seems like a
Speaker 1: realistic label flex, which I like, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a comfortable label flex. It's by the way.
Speaker 1: It's a comfortable label flex. It's not it's not you know,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not like star billing. It's like a
Speaker 1: support supporting character. Where do you stand on nighttime Hallway filming?
Speaker 2: I was so uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: I had a hard time understanding actually what was going
Speaker 3: on because from what I from what I gathered, Kelly
Speaker 3: was asleep. The girls had gone out to a bar
Speaker 3: or several so they were kind of I feel like
Speaker 3: they had time to kind of conjure this little like
Speaker 3: trap almost to fly out.
Speaker 2: The night that night, right, so they're just.
Speaker 1: Like am like four or five in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they right, and.
Speaker 2: Then they called her out into the hallway, right, or
Speaker 2: she got up because she heard they were talking shit
Speaker 2: about her or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Vicky spilled some tea to Tam and
Speaker 1: then Tama texted or god knows what she her.
Speaker 2: The picture, yeah, which grow up?
Speaker 3: But then, yeah, of course, I think it's like, you're asleep,
Speaker 3: you're aggravated, you.
Speaker 2: Just want to go home. Her buttons have been pushed.
Speaker 3: She's called her husband like get me out of here,
Speaker 3: and then let's just add one more cold to the fire.
Speaker 2: And yeah, she got up. And I thought it was
Speaker 2: just so shady.
Speaker 3: That Heather had her phone out and was recording her.
Speaker 3: And yeah, of course, no one wants to be like,
Speaker 3: it's it's two o'clock in the morning, get your camera
Speaker 3: out of my face, like what are you guys? What's
Speaker 3: going on? What's wrong with you people?
Speaker 1: Okay, let me explain something to you that's terrible. And
Speaker 1: that I was right, and then I was excellent at
Speaker 1: It's like an addiction. The whole thing and when you're
Speaker 1: in the machine, everything is something, so you have like
Speaker 1: that's why you cannot be on with friends because if
Speaker 1: you let's say you have a good friend that's on
Speaker 1: and you're out there being exposed for anything that you've
Speaker 1: ever done or are doing, and your friend is having
Speaker 1: an affair, now you're like holding onto their secret. Yours
Speaker 1: is wide out there and every single thing is fair
Speaker 1: game when the cameras are on and when the cameras
Speaker 1: are off, you're in this game, and like I said,
Speaker 1: it's always it's a battlefield. So at night when you're
Speaker 1: not on the actual field, but the god like you know,
Speaker 1: you're still in the headspace. And the problem is in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, it's going to be one
Speaker 1: point for that team. So they're not going to not
Speaker 1: film that because the next day if a tree fell
Speaker 1: and no one heard, it didn't really happen exactly. You
Speaker 1: got to always be getting points on the board, whether
Speaker 1: the cameras are on or off, and you always want
Speaker 1: everyone to know everything that happened, especially if it's something
Speaker 1: it's somebody else did that was bad.
Speaker 3: Which I feel like I just started watching Salt Lake
Speaker 3: as well, and I feel like that's what's happening with
Speaker 3: Salt Lake this season. It's very much that, like, get
Speaker 3: them on a Spurner van, get them all the fight,
Speaker 3: you got the new girl who just got her Louis
Speaker 3: Vuitton bag. You know, you have the bragging about my
Speaker 3: sixty thousand dollars ring is missing. It's just it's very
Speaker 3: much like that, just pure chaos. Expose them all, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you want credit from the producers. You want
Speaker 1: the producers to like pat you on the head for
Speaker 1: what you've just done. That was good because then you
Speaker 1: know you're in more scenes and you're more you, and
Speaker 1: you want a point, like it really is like that.
Speaker 1: Anyone who says it isn't is lying. It's not like
Speaker 1: I'm stuttering. It's not like I'm asking, it's not like
Speaker 1: it's open for discussion. It's a fact.
Speaker 2: I get it. It's a squid game, yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, and it's really the hunger games, like you're
Speaker 1: just in it. You're there for yourself, and the reason
Speaker 1: that you're friends with the people is because their alliance
Speaker 1: is to push what you're doing forward and hopefully get
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl or the end of it, which
Speaker 1: is the reunion and survive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Taylor Swift will be there, of course, But
Speaker 3: can we do that? Can we pitch that to Bravo?
Speaker 3: Can we do Housewives Hunger games?
Speaker 2: That would be.
Speaker 1: Amazing, Yes, because people would be dead, it would be
Speaker 1: actually dead. And I think about and I really do
Speaker 1: not blame the people on the field. I really blame
Speaker 1: the game. Like the girls are pushing the alcohol because
Speaker 1: they want something to happen with Kelly. Then the stink
Speaker 1: is off them. And it happened years before the Naked
Speaker 1: Wasted scene, and they showed back to it.
Speaker 2: It's like, let's get it done, and they.
Speaker 3: Yes, two naked wasted and they even said that exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now now we're in that van and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking they have to get on a plane together. And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what that to your point, Like what it
Speaker 1: feels like to be depleted and you're on an airplane
Speaker 1: and you're disgusting. It takes you by two weeks to
Speaker 1: come recover? What the hell happens in that van? Like
Speaker 1: what the hell?
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. Vicki's arm was still caught
Speaker 2: on the van. She still hadn't been helped, and that's
Speaker 2: She's like that is dragged. No, there's nothing that I.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's I'm like this when when it's early and
Speaker 3: there's loud sounds, whether that be a loud talker or
Speaker 3: like some construction outside, especially when it was like what
Speaker 3: three point thirty in the morning, we had this weird altercation.
Speaker 3: Just get me home, and then it's just pure. Anytime
Speaker 3: there's a night vision camera on, I think like there's
Speaker 3: it's the worst.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the DP because you felt it, you
Speaker 1: had bad breath, you left stuff in your room that
Speaker 1: you forgot when you were packing your suitcase. You're just
Speaker 1: squat in a rage.
Speaker 2: You're packing like yeah, like just yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Smell like some some bad potato chip, Like you just
Speaker 1: can I can feel how toxic and disgusting they felt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it did feel like a school school bus with
Speaker 1: like a little kid that was like being picked on
Speaker 1: and like seems mean and gives more reason to be
Speaker 1: it really did. I know, I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: really don't think you and I would have been sympathetic
Speaker 1: back then to the same degree. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I really was sympathetic.
Speaker 2: I feel like we missed, we missed a moment where
Speaker 2: Kelly does admit that she was sorry. I don't know
Speaker 2: where that came from. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: I've never done that before, And it cut several of
Speaker 3: the women saying she has done this before, and we
Speaker 3: got good old flashback scenes of her saying I've never
Speaker 3: done this before. I'm so sorry. So they are even
Speaker 3: like making fun of it. They're making fun of her apology.
Speaker 3: They're not acknowledging her apology because they don't think it's genuine.
Speaker 2: You know, at least she apologizes.
Speaker 1: It's not because it's vital skill. It's Ramona. Huh, it's
Speaker 1: Ramona like it's it's not really a real apology. But
Speaker 1: you need to do the apology because the producers need
Speaker 1: you to go to the bottom, but they need you
Speaker 1: to come back up otherwise it goes too dark. And
Speaker 1: then the viewer turns off, like it's this game not
Speaker 1: unlike the media. You beat somebody down and then they're canceled,
Speaker 1: but then we want to watch them come back. So
Speaker 1: I'm because you're younger than I am. I can tell
Speaker 1: by your beautiful skin. I mean too spiritually evolved in
Speaker 1: the sense that I am too like touched. I'm too
Speaker 1: sappy and sympathetic because I've met I've really spent time
Speaker 1: with Nini recently, and I've spent time with people that
Speaker 1: I met during this whole franchise process, and I've really
Speaker 1: liked them off the show, which leads me to believe
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't want anybody to judge me based on
Speaker 1: me on the show, So how would I judge them?
Speaker 1: And with all these provocative questions we get asked in
Speaker 1: the media on shows like Watch It Up Into Live,
Speaker 1: we're saying shitty things about each other, and then we
Speaker 1: were surviving. So when you're at your like you're surviving,
Speaker 1: you're not at your best. So I've judged Kelly Dott
Speaker 1: and I bet you in real life if I met
Speaker 1: her at a cock support I'd probably like her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have learned that that to not believe people
Speaker 3: are like what you see on television.
Speaker 2: I just feel I think so, I mean, I feel
Speaker 2: like a very few of them actually are. But I've
Speaker 2: met Nini.
Speaker 3: I worked with Ninie on She was a guest on
Speaker 3: Cupcake Wars like years ago, and I was a writer
Speaker 3: on that and she was a delight. Her and Cynthia
Speaker 3: were on it as a team they were lovely, But yeah,
Speaker 3: I definitely feel like there's a small percentage of people.
Speaker 3: And that goes with like anybody entertainment. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: there's several people. You know, there's comics and stuff where
Speaker 3: you're like, oh my god, I mean look at the
Speaker 3: whole like Ellen Cancel thing where it was like, oh,
Speaker 3: she's a nightmare.
Speaker 2: In real life. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like there's so many things like the Jimmy Fallon
Speaker 3: thing happening right now.
Speaker 1: What is your opinion of the Jimmy Fallon thing.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't know because I don't I don't know him.
Speaker 2: I'm not there, but I mean I've never met him.
Speaker 2: But I mean there has been this, like.
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, there was saying there was
Speaker 3: something along the lines of like him having a drinking problem.
Speaker 3: Also going to go into effect that he's a father,
Speaker 3: he's like working, you know, Monday through Friday. This it
Speaker 3: has to be on all the time. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: the same thing happened with Kelly Clarkson, who I adore,
Speaker 3: you know, and Kelly was like, I had no idea
Speaker 3: what was going on. So there's a lot of little
Speaker 3: factors that everybody kind of has to regroup and figure
Speaker 3: out how we want to make the machine work, whether
Speaker 3: that's reality, whether that's you know, talk shows, whether that's
Speaker 3: any sort of entertainment.
Speaker 1: So so you're saying there's a bigger reckoning overall, which
Speaker 1: I agree with because so having been on Jimmy Fallon
Speaker 1: many times and knowing him and having spoken to people
Speaker 1: very high in power around his show, I have a
Speaker 1: decent recipe of what I think. One is that you know,
Speaker 1: it's so necessary for him to be like the boy
Speaker 1: next door and the offshops and then every mom in
Speaker 1: America likes him. That's kind of what they put forward,
Speaker 1: which does land and there's a lot of pressure to
Speaker 1: that obviously, and he does like to party and does
Speaker 1: like to drink, and that would have been his achilles heel.
Speaker 1: That was what was sort of worried about by the
Speaker 1: powers that be. I also think that doing that every
Speaker 1: day is such a machine and having to be on
Speaker 1: and you're a traffic cop and you've got to get
Speaker 1: integrations in and you've got to get questions in, and
Speaker 1: you've got to and I will say I defended him,
Speaker 1: and it was picked It was picked up in many
Speaker 1: places that from my experience, and I've met him off
Speaker 1: the show, I've met him in real life. Like in
Speaker 1: my experience, he and his wife are very nice people, like,
Speaker 1: they're gracious, and he, unlike most hosts, every single time,
Speaker 1: comes into your dressing room and is really nice and charming.
Speaker 1: And that's exhausting, you know, and to be so I
Speaker 1: think that it must be a tremendous amount of pressure
Speaker 1: not to mention you who's a comedian knows to be funny.
Speaker 1: That's such a grounds for insecurity. Not just to be gracious,
Speaker 1: like Kelly Clarkson, to be funny, you have to be
Speaker 1: fed to be a clown every night. That's hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is hard, especially when you know you're dealing
Speaker 2: with the world our own falling apart and people falling apart, spiraling,
Speaker 2: and it's like your own world. You're going through your
Speaker 2: own sort of depression, your own sort of chaos, and
Speaker 2: you have to show up and be like, hey, I
Speaker 2: mean it's hard. I've had definite I've had nights where
Speaker 2: I've just been like, God, what am I doing? How
Speaker 2: can I do this?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Also in the same aspect of like a Jimmy or
Speaker 3: any type of late night talk show, any type of
Speaker 3: celebrity at all.
Speaker 2: It only takes that little person to kind of.
Speaker 1: Go out a termite a termite, yeah, and just turn
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred percent. And that's why I felt responsible.
Speaker 1: I felt a responsibility to say, for whatever my opinion
Speaker 1: is worth, I do not believe that Jimmy Fallon should
Speaker 1: be on the list of cancelations because I think his
Speaker 1: is the exception, not the role. I'm sure he's fucked up,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure the environment is fucked up, and he
Speaker 1: knows about some doesn't know about others. But I think
Speaker 1: when he apologize, it was truthful. And I think he
Speaker 1: beats himself up more than people do, and for some reason,
Speaker 1: he like Kelly, which Kelly's wasn't about her, was about
Speaker 1: her team, and his was about him and the environment.
Speaker 1: But I just what I felt like we all are
Speaker 1: so quick to judge, and it was important for me
Speaker 1: to say publicly that I did not want to put
Speaker 1: him on that list of I believe that Jimmy fouln'
Speaker 1: is a good guy and that it's got to be
Speaker 1: really hard that people don't see that we.
Speaker 3: Need to bring back just forgiveness for accountability, like genuine accountability.
Speaker 2: I you know, I remember an old saying that nobody's perfect.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I feel like we should.
Speaker 3: Get out, get over the whole, like cancel stuff and
Speaker 3: just like learn about forgiveness and like, hey, we're allowing
Speaker 3: people to grow granted if it's like awful, terrible, horrific.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying to Air is human to
Speaker 1: forgive his divine is what you're saying. Yeah, it's become crazy,
Speaker 1: but it's weird because every day you get canceled, but
Speaker 1: you kind of get renewed the same day. It's like
Speaker 1: it's bizarre. Like Balenciaga was the devil and then now
Speaker 1: everyone's wearing Valenciaga. I was saying, you need like a
Speaker 1: cancelation report, like a weather report, like oh we oh,
Speaker 1: we're allowed to. I don't even have Valenciaga, but like,
Speaker 1: am I supposed to be wearing it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is that what the cool kids are doing now? I
Speaker 1: don't even know? You know, you go on a ride
Speaker 1: every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true, and that's why you're just kind of
Speaker 3: like what am I? What are we doing today? What's
Speaker 3: what's in? What's out? What are we are?
Speaker 2: We still mad? At Lizzo, What are we doing? Exactly?
Speaker 2: Do you?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, she's brave, No, she's insane? What what? What is happening?
Speaker 1: It's exactly. It's so true, and that's why it sounds ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But I wrote this like weird like manifesto mission staming
Speaker 1: yesterday because I was trying to take accountability. I'm fifty two,
Speaker 1: I'm older than you, like I said, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm part of this. And a lot of times I
Speaker 1: talk about things that I'm reading, so I'm literally regurgitating
Speaker 1: but putting my own spin on something it's been fed
Speaker 1: to me. And whether it's a little comment about a
Speaker 1: tailor swift or something what, I really don't know anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know these people. I don't know Megan Markle.
Speaker 1: I don't know any of these people. I do know
Speaker 1: the effect that some things have on my daughter, filtering
Speaker 1: or face tuning. Can have an opinion about something, but
Speaker 1: I don't have to go hold Kim Kardashian responsible for
Speaker 1: my daughter's false ideal of beauty. I'll be the parent.
Speaker 1: I have to parent stronger like so, I feel like
Speaker 1: I've had a weird awakening lately about all the stuff.
Speaker 3: It is interesting because it's like I've always been obsessed
Speaker 3: with like pop culture and and you know, one of
Speaker 3: my idols was Joan Rivers, you know for sure, and
Speaker 3: she would talk about entertainment and stuff, and it's like,
Speaker 3: it's just so funny.
Speaker 2: If you're not, you're damned if you do, you're damned
Speaker 2: if you don't. That's what it is. So you're allowed
Speaker 2: with that opinion. You're allowed to make a joke.
Speaker 3: But if it's not a joke that everybody likes, then
Speaker 3: you're not funny, you know, because.
Speaker 1: You have to Well that's harder for you as a
Speaker 1: comedian because it has to land. And like what it
Speaker 1: was that alan all to stead. If it bends, it's funny.
Speaker 1: If it breaks, it's not.
Speaker 2: But if it's funny for these people, they love it.
Speaker 3: If it's funny, If it's not funny for these people,
Speaker 3: they're gonna like, you know, give you one star reviews
Speaker 3: on your podcast and you know.
Speaker 2: This and that you need to not exist anymore.
Speaker 3: You know that kind of stuff. And it's just like,
Speaker 3: oh my god. So that's something that I've had to
Speaker 3: learn with And that's so true.
Speaker 1: And it's ironic because the most wholesome who was praised
Speaker 1: for his comedy without using curses was Bill Cosby, how ironic.
Speaker 1: And the one on TikTok that everybody adored and was
Speaker 1: god was Lizzo. Yeah, so we shouldn't have these idols,
Speaker 1: like keep it at fifty five miles an hour. We
Speaker 1: don't have to go so hot and be you know,
Speaker 1: make it that there are gods gods, because they're just
Speaker 1: bound to disappoint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, just just wait this whole Travis Kelsey
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift thing. It's like the Mint the one game
Speaker 2: they lose, Oh, the cursive Taylor lives on. You know,
Speaker 2: it's I couldn't even imagine that level of fame where you.
Speaker 1: Know I couldn't either, and it just feels distracting and
Speaker 1: it feels so by design. But you wouldn't think at
Speaker 1: that level of fame it's by design. But it can't
Speaker 1: not be because you know what I mean, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: every single thing you do is being filmed, like you're
Speaker 1: on a reality that's a reality show. So Taylor is
Speaker 1: on a reality show for sure. So you know everything
Speaker 1: you do where say everyone you bring that it's obvious
Speaker 1: we've proven that. So if you put what you.
Speaker 2: Just have to just be robotic.
Speaker 3: It seems you know, like you know you're being watched
Speaker 3: at every moment.
Speaker 1: You don't or or you know. I'm saying like the
Speaker 1: Queen knows she's being watched. The Queen of England knows
Speaker 1: when she was So you saw that, like not a
Speaker 1: lot of movement, not a lot of opinions, not a
Speaker 1: lot of anything, because every gesture is taken. So Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift is as big as the Queen of England and
Speaker 1: she puts her arms around the mom and really is
Speaker 1: very you know, excited and animated. So that's positive and
Speaker 1: she's having fun. But we all have to know that
Speaker 1: it's got to be intentional by design, because she's smart
Speaker 1: enough to know that nothing she does is not captured.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what the design is and I
Speaker 1: don't know what architectural plan she has going, nor is
Speaker 1: it my business, but she is by design.
Speaker 2: I think so too, because it's I think it's like
Speaker 2: some weird masterful puzzle that like, and knowing her with
Speaker 2: her Easter eggs and stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm like, how is she just like this? I don't know,
Speaker 3: she's just a crafty Yeah, she des no idea. Either
Speaker 3: she's a saint or a sinner, I don't know. But
Speaker 3: whatever she's doing, it's working. Like everyone's tuning into football
Speaker 3: now and I'm like, what.
Speaker 1: She decides exactly agreed. Well, if you're good at it
Speaker 1: that you know. I mean, like I said, the Queen
Speaker 1: of England was was a long rain and she was amazing,
Speaker 1: And so if you're good at it, go it seems
Speaker 1: to be working. Yeah, we'll find out. You're amazing. I
Speaker 1: love having you on. I'd love to have you back.
Speaker 1: It's like so just refreshing to talk to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's it's like it's an honor.
Speaker 2: I love I love seeing you in person. It's like
Speaker 2: it's a dream.
Speaker 1: Thank you and yeah no, And it's important to me that, like,
Speaker 1: in talking about the show, it's not like we're trashing people.
Speaker 1: We're like just talking about Danna.
Speaker 2: Show, right, We're talking about all women.
Speaker 1: It's like talking about all women through this vehicle. So
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for playing along. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You have a great day.
Speaker 2: You too, bad Bye?
Speaker 1: That was fun. I liked him. I mean it was Paul,
Speaker 1: my fiance who comes up with a lot of my
Speaker 1: ideas He's the one who always says you should have
Speaker 1: comedians do rewives with you. They just have a different
Speaker 1: way of analyzing things and thinking about things. And he
Speaker 1: was very, very sweet, and I love I love this show,
Speaker 1: and I've been nervous, frankly a by doing the show,
Speaker 1: not wanting to be hypocritical because I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: reality reckoning. But it is a vehicle to talk about
Speaker 1: women and what women go through. It's not a vehicle
Speaker 1: to trash anyone, because we certainly have not trashed anyone.
Speaker 1: We're just talking about dynamics with women and life. And
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. Thank you.