1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: The Ladies of Orange County took a trip to Ireland, 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: and it's anything but relaxing. After a bumpy start to 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: their vacation, the ladies head off on separate adventures. The 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: two groups reconvened for dinner, where Kelly awkwardly tries to 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: make amends with Tamra. However, the peace treaty doesn't last long. 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Comedian Justin Martindale joins me to break down this episode. 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: This is Real Housewives of Orange County Season eleven, episode sixteen, 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: bringing up old ghosts, Let's get into it. How are you? 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: Good morning, afternoon, Good to see you. 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: Where are you? 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: I'm in La right now. This is my podcast studio. 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: I'm actually rich us at the Comedy Store. 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: Oh you have a podcast studio at the comedy store? 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: I do, Yes, that's cool. Is that way? I just 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: watched that documentary? Was that about the Comedy Store? That 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: was about the Comedy Store? 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: Right the the Showtime one? 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy Mike Binder? I think maybe was it him? 19 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: Probably? So? I think so. 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a whole bunch of. 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 3: Little documentaries here and there. Yeah, they just celebrated their 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: fiftieth anniversary here. So I take my podcast just saying 23 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: with Jussein martinall here, we've been doing it for like 24 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: a year now, and yeah, it's really taking off. 25 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: We're having a good time with it. 26 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: How long have you been a stand up fourteen years? 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: This year September? Yeah, this September. Wait, actually this June 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: was when I got past here at the comedy store. So, yeah, do. 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: You ever know bomb? Do you still do bomb? Ever? 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: I mean no, no, you don't really bomb? No, I do. Everyone. 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: You have to. You have to bomb to get better. 32 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 2: You know. 33 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: It's like skiing, like if you're not going down the 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: harder trails. Is that what it is? 35 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, avoid the trees at all costs, you know, but 36 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: like every now and then you fall down, you get 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: back up. 38 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: That's just how it is. 39 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: I did stand up one time at UH. I had 40 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: ten days to prepare. It was just something I discussed 41 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: with Paul, my fiance, and then because I'd set it 42 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: out loud, I kind of challenged myself and I did 43 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: it at New York Comedy Club. And it was the 44 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: first night that the comedy clubs were opening during the 45 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: pandemic that I didn't think about the fact that people 46 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: would be wearing masks, and had to be six feet apart, 47 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: which is the opposite of comedy. 48 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing. 49 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: It was a weird thing. And I would say, like 50 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: if if it were getting a grade, I got like 51 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: a seven out of ten, and me it got laps. 52 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: It landed. I didn't feel like naked and afraid. I 53 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: definitely didn't bomb, and I understood. I just wanted to 54 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: know what it really felt like, because it's something that 55 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: people say I could do that, and everyone when I 56 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: said I was going to do it, my accountant and 57 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: oh I'd be great at that. I was like, all right, 58 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: we'll get up and do it. And I was happy 59 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: that I tried it. Like that, I did it. It 60 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: was three minutes. I called a bunch of comedians that 61 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: I know like and I had a lot of respect 62 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: for the medium because everyone responded like Chris Rock and 63 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: Ellen and Kathy Griffin. And when you come everyone responded 64 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: with real advice, like long advice, and it was all 65 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: different advice, but I I Kevin Kneel it. It was 66 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: a great experience. 67 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, you like cherish those little moments and when when 68 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: actual comics give you that advice, that's what makes you better. 69 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and so you just keep 70 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: going and going and perfecting it and everything. We did 71 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 3: it during when that same time, we were doing stand 72 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: up in parking lots oh people in their cars, like 73 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: in a drive through, and we're on stage and everyone's 74 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: in their car and they're flashing their lights and they. 75 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: Have little clickers like clicking out out. 76 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: That's an experience. 77 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: It was so weird. I was like, Okay, I'm glad 78 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: that's over with. 79 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: Well, there are rules too, which I didn't realize, Like 80 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: they're different and you can decide on your own, but 81 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: like pick up the microphone, put the microphone down, get 82 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: rid of the stool, but the stool like dumb things 83 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: that like I wouldn't have thought about, and I never 84 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: thought about that. Each person has their own style, like 85 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: you fit into are you a storyteller, you a joke 86 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: teller or you a ranter like a riot? Yeah, yeah, 87 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: what are you? 88 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: I'm a storyteller. 89 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: Like they're long, like a Kevin Nealon style, like they 90 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: leave into each other. 91 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of sort of like a storyteller kind of 92 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: picking up pop culture things that are happening around. 93 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: That's very much like what my podcast is. 94 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: And like observational humor and like how people are trying 95 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 3: to just make it into this crazy world, you know, 96 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: and and yeah, that's right, I do. I love I 97 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: love telling stories and doing characters and voices and all that. 98 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: Kind of stuff. Oh you do characters and voices? 99 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 100 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: Oh okay, well maybe we'll do one. Well okay, So 101 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: are you a Housewives fan at all or you know. 102 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: What I am? 103 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: And ish I'm new to the Housewives, I know, I 104 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: know of you, I know of you, know Ramona, I 105 00:04:54,040 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 3: know all of that. I'm personally a Beverly Hill, Miami 106 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 3: Housewives fan just because I just love. 107 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: Over the top y you know. Yeah, but you're so 108 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: you're not fluent, but you could. You can get by 109 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: on the language of leave even Orange County, where we are. 110 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, yes, of course Orange County. 111 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 3: Actually the episode you said me, I remember watching that one, 112 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 3: so I was like, oh, thank god, like. 113 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: So, yes, that's funny, because I am not, believe it 114 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: or not, I'm not fluent at all. I never even 115 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: watched my own except for to see the one rough 116 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: cut just to see if you were safe or dead, 117 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: like if you're going to live, have a bad week 118 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: or a good week, like, and that was it. I 119 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: didn't watch it in real time with commercials or whatever, 120 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,679 Speaker 1: and then I only used to watch Atlanta in the beginning. 121 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not fluent either, which is ironic. 122 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: So they're in Ireland and the first thing I'm noticing 123 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: is Heather's Chanel rainboots. I don't know why they jumped 124 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: off the page. I just was like, wow, I kind 125 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: of want those those rain boots. They've jumped off the page. Yeah, 126 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, how, I don't know if the 127 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: women look like this now, but everybody struck me as 128 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: very pretty and like there are other cities where they 129 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: spend more time on their glam. This is like pre 130 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: mac Daddy glam. But I thought I just really thought 131 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: everyone looked sort of fresh and pretty, which I don't 132 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: always take the time to say, if that makes any sense. 133 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, like an Irish spring rain, you know, just. 134 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, everybody, everybody exactly exactly. Okay, So Vicky Vicky, 135 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: they should do a show called Vicky and Vans. Vicky 136 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: gets her hand caught in the goddamn van like I 137 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: thought she was gonna and she had a thing earlier 138 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: in like the beginning Housewives of her cursing out a 139 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: driver because of a minivan to the airport. 140 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: You know what, I always wonder if producers can like intervene, 141 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: you know, like can help and they just let her 142 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: just dislocate her shoulder for a while. She's just like, 143 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: can someone And we're like, no, this is this is 144 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 3: the journey you're on. 145 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: Thank god, this was only a dislocation of a shoulder. 146 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, Vicki and Vance is a great watch. What happens? 147 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: You know, Vickey Advance, you need one more because things 148 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: are better than threes. But the one thing about Vicky, 149 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: she's never been the reason she's on my rush more 150 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: like a Ninni or Teresa, is she's not afraid to 151 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: look bad. Like she's not afraid, she's not she's not 152 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: always crafting what the audience is going to see, like 153 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: she doesn't mind looking messy. She gets dirty, she. 154 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: Gets dirty, and you know what, she grunts? I love, 155 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: I love. 156 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: I do the same thing when I'm in the car, 157 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: Like if like my boyfriend always makes fun of me, 158 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: he's just like, you're very vocal. Like if there's like 159 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: bad traffic, I'm always like hoop and he's like Okay, 160 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: that's that's my Vicky. I feel like Vicky grunts and 161 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: makes sounds and I'm kind of here for it. 162 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: She expresses herself. She'd be a good fully artist. 163 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, making sounds. 164 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: For movies exactly, all right. So I found that the 165 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: ancestry scene was very produced, like that's where the producers 166 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: think they have a good idea, let's play Pim the 167 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: tale and the donkey at the birthday part. Like it 168 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: just felt very produced. And the airmes bag and the 169 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: furry vest, you know, h but. 170 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: I mean, did she look good for Fall? Megan? Yes, 171 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: she looked great, you know, I thought. 172 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: And Kelly. I mean, Kelly had the airms bag and 173 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: the furry thing. But I thought Kelly looked. I thought 174 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: Kelly looked good for Fall too. Megan's very pretty. They're 175 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: very pretty, I thought the scene, but I did. 176 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: How weird, I mean, think of it. 177 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: This is I totally agree with you the we're going 178 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 3: to take these women to Ireland, but at the same 179 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: time you're going to ask random strangers if you're related 180 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: to them. 181 00:08:59,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: I don't understand. 182 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: Amazed. How was no one? How was there no pepper? 183 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: Is it because like Irish families typically like eleven children 184 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: in them, so you're bound to be. He's like a 185 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: stereotype is like. 186 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: Cancelationship Irish at all. I have no Irish or Scottish. 187 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: Cut to me getting at twenty three and me and 188 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm one hundred percent Irish, like I have 189 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 3: no idea, but I have no. 190 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: I think that I did. I did one of those, 191 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: the other one ancestry, and I was like a tiny 192 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: but Irish but not not enough to count. But I 193 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: went to a Catholic school in Rockville Center, Long Island, 194 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: which is a very Irish community, and everybody's last name 195 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: is Gallagher or Murphy, and everybody's first name is Maureen 196 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: or Meghan. And there were like people had eleven kids, 197 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: seven brothers and sisters. And it's like Dennis Leary has 198 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: like seven brothers and sisters. That's the cliche. You're going 199 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: to be related to someone, Okay, And I I want 200 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: to know what you thought about the comment. So it 201 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: kurts me now watching it. Back when I saw things 202 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: years ago, I saw the whole medium differently, and now 203 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: watching it it's like breaking down a football game or something. 204 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm not in it, and I see it differently, And 205 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't Kelly saying it directly to Tamra. It was 206 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: Kelly saying to another woman, that's why her kid doesn't 207 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: speak to her. 208 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was. 209 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 3: It was Kelly saying something like, what this is why 210 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: her daughter doesn't speak to her? And of course it 211 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 3: gets back to Tamra, right, okay, or what did you 212 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: think was going to happen? 213 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: Right? Well? In reality TV, everything has to be put 214 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: on the lazy Susan in the center of the table. 215 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: Nothing can be that's what producers. You know, Tinsley's trying 216 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: on wedding dresses when not engaged. The producers don't put 217 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: on me. I put it on the center of the 218 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: table at the lazy Susan because it has to come 219 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: into the show. That's what we're all doing. We're supposed 220 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: to trash each other and someone has to win and 221 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: someone has to lose. But it did strike forget. 222 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 3: There has to be a black and white filter, something dramatic. 223 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 2: From the Ghost of Housewives past. Yes, remind you of 224 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: what happened. 225 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: That's so what a good creative note, right, The flashback 226 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: has to show you that it's a black and white 227 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: grainy gritty hallways scene fact. Yes, yes, but how many 228 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: things do you say about other people that even like 229 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: your parents, your sister, your brother, your cousin, your boss, 230 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: your assistant assistant, like your agent, you're whoever, your booker, 231 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: the person in the next room at the comedy store, 232 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: if they heard the things that you say about them, 233 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: like it'd be ripped to shreds. So it's like it 234 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: seemed bad and now it doesn't seem that bad because 235 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: she didn't say it to her. It was a throwaway comment. 236 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like nowadays it's even more just. 237 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: You know, you find out things that people are saying 238 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: about you, and it's just the gates are open, you know. 239 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: But I don't know, is that a thing where it's 240 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: like I feel like that's very Treesia. It's like, you 241 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: don't talk about my family, you know, it's very as 242 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: family's off right. 243 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: To other people. 244 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 245 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: No, but no, I mean while she's fucking her husband's 246 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: best friend, I mean, you're gonna say that to you 247 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: to somebody you know, like, you know, wow, staying never 248 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: are home with the kids, the kids are raised by 249 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: ned like a throw away comment, Like it's a throwaway comment. 250 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: So it gets brought in, and there's another reality sort 251 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: of nugget that I was guilty of once in taking 252 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: the bait, Like if you take the bait, it becomes 253 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: a bigger scene and it becomes more of a Housewives 254 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: moment when it's exactly the opposite of what you want. 255 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: Because Tamer really doesn't want her relationship with her daughter, 256 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: which was strained coming into the show. It triggers her 257 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: and she goes crazy. When if she was just like, oh, okay, great, anyways, 258 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: past past the Irish cream, it wouldn't have been but. 259 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 2: Like that's the Irish cream. 260 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's a less for life that you gotta 261 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: hold sometimes and not take the bait. 262 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: But also Tamer knows what's good television. 263 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: Thank you. 264 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 3: Absolutely She's like, ye happened, Oh, let's bring Christianity into it. 265 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: And I agree with you on the Christianity. But I 266 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: think there are times when something comes out that crosses 267 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: over that line of it being good television, and you 268 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: really just are like raw and you really just don't 269 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: want like bad mothering to be something in the media 270 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: like that's a line, or like there are things where 271 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: like you're like this is the line and this is like, 272 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, the Denise Richard Richards Bravo, Bravo, bra that's 273 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: when the line is crossing. You can tell that that's 274 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: like they don't want that to be good TV. 275 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, fair, You know, I. 276 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: Thought this was I having been there, I thought this 277 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: was one of them. 278 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 4: Hey, everyone, it's Sophie Bush, host of the podcast Work 279 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 4: in Progress. I am thrilled to tell you that Work 280 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 4: in Progress is back for a third season. My friends, 281 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 4: it has never been more important than right now for 282 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 4: us to have all of these big conversations together. We 283 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 4: are going to get educated, a little bit enlightened, and 284 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,359 Speaker 4: we will definitely be entertained. I started Work in Progress 285 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 4: because I'm a curious person, and I realized there are 286 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 4: so many people I get to speak to that are 287 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 4: fascinating and rare, and so I thought, why not take 288 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: these conversations out into the world. I'm going to be 289 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 4: having deep chats with thought leaders, newsmakers, celebrities, entertainers, authors, 290 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 4: elected officials, and more. You can join us and listen 291 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 4: to Work in Progress on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 292 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 4: or wherever you listen to podcasts. 293 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: What about the scene with the cows, Will you ever 294 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: drink milk again, don't. 295 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: I mean, when did this turn into the Real Housewives 296 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: of Fear Factor, because it's just it's no one signed 297 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: up for this. 298 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: Did he enjoy it? Yes? 299 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: But I thought, for a second, anytime there's like cows 300 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: and hazmat suits, I don't know why, but I think 301 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,479 Speaker 3: they're going to like do the whole single life fisting 302 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: the cow thing. 303 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: Can I say fisting the cow? 304 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure here you can like a rectal example 305 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: of the cow. 306 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: The cow. 307 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: Okay, But I thought that's what we were going to 308 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: get into, and I was like, I didn't sign up 309 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: for this. I watched this on Saturday morning. I'm having 310 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: my coffee, like having my croissant. I'm like, well, here 311 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: we are, We're going to watch some cowshit on these 312 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: poor women. 313 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: Did I live? Yes? I did? 314 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: But no, no, no, But I you know, I wanted, 315 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: you know, some insight on how the Bailey's Irish cream 316 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: farm work. 317 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: So you know, oh, yeah, I'm sure that was great branding. 318 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: Now I want to drink Irish crea. Yeah, but I 319 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: felt I have when you watch TV if you see 320 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: like clutter in the background or certain thing, like I 321 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: felt dirty at lunch. Yeah, I watched them, and I 322 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: watched Heather take off our Chanel boots. I was fixated 323 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: by where she must have put them. And then they 324 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: had the hazmat suits and they took it all up, 325 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: and I felt like they were dirty. At lunch. I 326 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: could not get away from like the urine and like 327 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: all of it. So I felt dirty at lunch. And 328 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: then the steak of it all. 329 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, didn't they have steak afterwards? 330 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like, I'm now eating the cow. I 331 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: just I mean, it was like Pete must have gone 332 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: goddamn bananas. I mean, honestly insane. 333 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: It was like it's a movie like that where they 334 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: there's like some horrifying scene and then they like showed dinner, 335 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: you know, and you're like, oh, that's what that was. Yeah. 336 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 3: And also I'm sorry, but I would be taking a 337 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: full on silkwood shower after that. 338 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: Yes, you know, he's rubbing. 339 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: And just like no, and the smell I could smell 340 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 3: it horrible. 341 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: I love when I all hugged. I do think that 342 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: that reminds me of why the shows don't need to 343 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: be so trashy. They can be just lucy abolish. That 344 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: was like sort of the Lucy and Ethel moment. But 345 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: we had a couple of nipples references. It was nipples 346 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: and steaks and then Vicky showing her tits to FaceTime 347 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: to Heather's husband, I need out at lunch. Well you 348 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: mean not in a blue gown in a doctor's office. 349 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, just that. 350 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 3: But is that the same ones where she said that 351 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: she has the best vagina as well? 352 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: No, they flashed back to her fake cancer boyfriend saying 353 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: that she has a gorgeous vagina black and white filter. 354 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't think it was. I think it was a 355 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: flashback to a dinner and it's weird. I believed him. 356 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 1: I'm now thinking about Vicky's vagina. I don't know why 357 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: I believed him. I didn't doubt it. I believe you 358 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: did too well. 359 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: Before this interview, I was, you know, last night before 360 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: I went to bed, I'm like laying in bed and 361 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 2: I think my sleep paralysis team and woke me up, 362 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: and I'm staring at the ceiling going Vicky's vagina like it. 363 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 3: Was was the first thought that I had, and I 364 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: was like, is this normal? Like because I was like, 365 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 3: now I know, well, we can add. 366 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: It to your show. Vicky Vicky's vans and vaginas on TLC. Yeah, yes, 367 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: Vicky's vans. I believed it, and I didn't believe that that. 368 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: I didn't believe that Gwyneth Patro's vagina smelled like that candle. 369 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: But I believe that Vicky's vagina was nice. So that's 370 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: she got that across. But there was a Miami episode 371 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 1: where one of the women got to the house and 372 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: showed Lisa Hakstein's husband Lenny, who's a boob doctor. She 373 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: was like, but the twins are here, like talking about 374 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: her breasts at a party, and I thought, is that okay? 375 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: Like because they're a doctor, I was like, so you 376 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: can just show your vagina to Like, I don't think 377 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: because they're a doctor, you're gonna show your breath, like 378 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: hey hey guynecologist I know, or just you know Peter 379 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: Lueger's but I thought i'd show you might have vagina 380 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: just because I want to know if you think I need, 381 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, a pap smear. I think it's like that's 382 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: where the line is, but that's where it's TV. 383 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 3: I think that's also like you need to recognize when 384 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 3: someone's off the clock, you know they're not you're not 385 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: just getting a free This isn't you know? 386 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: What's that? What's that coupon company that upon. 387 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: Wait, what is it? The one that's like does all that? 388 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 3: It's with a G it's a groupon no, yes, no groupons. 389 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 3: It's like when when someone comes up to me and 390 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: they're like, oh, you're a comedian, tell us a joke. 391 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not working right now, right, I don't 392 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 3: need it. 393 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: I don't need to. I don't know you. No, I 394 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: don't need to see your huha or your whatever. 395 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: You know, right, Yeah, that's so true. The doctor should 396 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: send yeah, exactly. 397 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 3: Or if you want to send that person into a 398 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 3: spiral and they show themselves, you just just go gross 399 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 3: and just let them like spiral you know. 400 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: This is yeah, it's exactly. This is where you this 401 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: is where alcohol seems like such a good idea on 402 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,239 Speaker 1: reality TV because you don't think it's really happening. I mean, 403 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 1: it's a crazy thing. You would think who would ever 404 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: drink to access with cameras on you? But it's it 405 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: makes you feel more relaxed and you're so dehydrated. You're 406 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 1: in Ireland, but when you're doing it, you're adrenaline is 407 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: so lit and you're so dehydrated, like your nervous system 408 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: is working overtime, and you know how like probably you 409 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: do you know better than anyone, Like you're doing comedy, 410 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: and like it just seems like a good idea, right 411 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: to have a drink. Do you ever drink before doing comedy? 412 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: I have? 413 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? 414 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: Was it a bad idea or a good idea? 415 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 3: You know, it depends if it's you know, I could 416 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: do like a like a cocktail, that's fine. 417 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: But yeah, I've had I've had my moments where I'm like, 418 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: you know what, let's have you know, our seventeenth martini. 419 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 2: What could go wrong? 420 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 3: I've definitely had those. Those were like back in the 421 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 3: early days. But I try to stay clear from it, 422 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: just because you want to have your head clear. You 423 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 3: want to know what's landing, what's not landing. 424 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: Wait, the next day you might wake up and you 425 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: thought it landed and it was like it did not 426 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: land because you were fucked up and you were in 427 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: your own head. 428 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: But there are comics who have had that. 429 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 3: That's happened to them more like they're on you know, 430 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: they take an edible or they're smoking weed. And there's 431 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 3: some comics who are like, that's the only way I 432 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 3: can perform, and I'm like, I believe right, it's more 433 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 3: terrified to me. 434 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: What do you think about the Kelly Click thing? She's 435 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: at that lunch and I've been there and you feel 436 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: really uncomfortable. And there are certain people that are very 437 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: good at the following. Ramona and Tamar are both equally 438 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: good at like something having just happened and it They 439 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: bring the drama but don't kill the party. Like I 440 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: would be stopped down if I had heard that someone 441 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: was talking about my daughter and it was brought onto camera. 442 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: So ta Tamra's credit, even though it it doesn't matter 443 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: that she said it to some miles. Now we're in 444 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: the show. The meta of it all, it's hard to 445 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: kind of get onto the next golf hole when you're 446 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: still thinking about what happened and how you fucked up 447 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: the last one. And Tamara and Ramona are two people 448 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: to deserve credit for, like you could have done the 449 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: worst thing ever in the last scene, and they're just 450 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: the next scene is like a fresh start. They're like 451 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: a talk show host on the next night. 452 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, I definitely feel like. 453 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 3: They are the girls still in high school, the seniors, 454 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 3: the popular senior girls, and they know that they kind 455 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: of have the power now because they know who messed up, 456 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 3: you know. 457 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: M hm. So I feel like that whole lunch was 458 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 2: just Tamra milking. 459 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: It, just like ooh no pun intended. 460 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 2: Did you know? And Kelly felt Kelly really felt like 461 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: like and Tamar had that power just to be like, 462 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about her right now. I 463 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: don't want to just stop, just stop, you know, it's 464 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 2: very she wants to talk about it, but she's gonna 465 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: for all she can, you know. 466 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: And I distinctly remember I was in Colombia. I don't 467 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: why I remember this the most. And you kind of 468 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: can remember when you feel like everyone's turning against you. 469 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: You're in the show, you had it going good, something happened. 470 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: I always say, the pendulum swings. This This medium is 471 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: a zero sum game. You are very rarely in purgatory. 472 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: If you're in purgatory, you're getting fired, you know, like 473 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: someone nice like Jacqueline Marita was in purgatory for a while, 474 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: but like you cannot sustain with purgatory. You can only 475 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: sustain being Vicky, being loved and amazing, or being hated 476 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: like and with someone like Kelly who's been disliked because 477 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: she took it too far, then it gets dark and 478 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: the audience hates to hate you, and it doesn't end well. 479 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: It's like a very it's like limbo, it's like a seesaw. Yeah, 480 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: it's constantly like to try to keep it. It's just 481 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: never really in the middle. And so I remember being 482 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: in Colombia and like I could feel, Oh, they're all 483 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: turning against me. It's my turn. Like if you're if 484 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: you don't know who's get you're getting whack. Yes, I'm 485 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: feeling like this is Kelly and her way of doing 486 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: it is just like everyone's so mean, but it really 487 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: doesn't land because, like you've said some pretty mean things 488 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: while lashing out and sometimes being attacked, it's just not landing. 489 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: But I think that's Kelly's personality. I don't know what 490 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: sign she is. I don't know. 491 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: I've never met her, I know of her, but I 492 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 3: definitely feel like when you push somebody and just pushing 493 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: and pushing and pushing, she's just gonna you know, And 494 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 3: I get that me too, But I think that's what 495 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 3: it was, where it's like she's just and it's everything 496 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 3: so close quarters. 497 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: You know, she's a van, she's at the lunch. She's 498 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: just like this, just leave me alone. And I think 499 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: she just spits off because she's like, look, I'm getting 500 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: ganged up on. 501 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 3: And then when she says something, it's too much and 502 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: then everyone's like whoa, wha, wha, who whoa, whoa whoa. 503 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 504 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: What's funny, though, is it? I believe that probably both 505 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: of us we watched it whenever it aired the next day, 506 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: we would have been like more team Tamor and that 507 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: this girl deserved it. But we're older and more evolved, 508 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: and we have kind of grown with the way that 509 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: society portrays things a cancelation and thinking about people's feelings. 510 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: And I think that I agree with you, Like I 511 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: was seeing her as a girl who you know, has 512 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: had it, and and I was sympathetic towards her as well, 513 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: And I just don't think that I would have been 514 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: that evolved fifteen years ago to feel that way. 515 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she had just had it. 516 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 3: And I think this was prior to like how do 517 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 3: you deal with your feelings properly? 518 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: How do you you know? And this was like old 519 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: school lash out, and every. 520 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: Old old school lash out exactly. 521 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: And when you lash out like that, then it's like, okay, 522 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 3: now we can even go in more and make her 523 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 3: life a living hell, which is what happens later in 524 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 3: this episode. 525 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: I think one and she's apologizing and I don't even 526 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: think she knows what she's apologizing for in the beginning, 527 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: like she knows she said something bad. She just wants 528 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: the pain to go away. She just wants to be 529 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: liked by the cool girls and like get through this trip. 530 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: But the trips now, let me explain to you because 531 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: we could talk about the reality reckoning later. This thing 532 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: that I'm in the middle that I'm in the middle 533 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: of and the front of been you know, I don't 534 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: know if you've heard about it, and have you right, 535 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: So a lot of it is that where's the line, Like, 536 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: where's the line? This is a workplace. Effectively, people are paid, 537 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: they have to be there on time. They're not paid 538 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: properly meaning from a contract standpoint, to be technical workers. 539 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: But in any workplace this sort of treatment and yes 540 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: it's sleep deprivation, and yes it's alcohol. Now it's not 541 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: that it's clockwork orange and producers are putting toothpicks in 542 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: your eyeballs and saying stay awake. But they're aware when 543 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: you land, they're aware you at a jet lag, but 544 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: they only have a certain number of days. They've had 545 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: to maximize the money that's being spent, and you have 546 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: to work all the time, and they reference that how 547 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: they went to bed every night. They're exhausted. They're drinking, 548 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: and you're just on a loop and you're on fumes. 549 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: And I cannot express to someone who has not done 550 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: this what that whole machine does to you. You've been 551 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: on tour, You've been right, you've been a tour. You're 552 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: in another country and another time zone. You got to 553 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: get up and perform. You're fraid. So that's that ad 554 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 1: Alcohol add a schedule at emotions and I'm not kidding, Like, 555 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: you don't feel normal and you want to get off 556 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: the ride. Thank you. You're having a nervous breakdown. And 557 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: I want to bring that up because they later say that, 558 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: which is what they said to Kelly, which is what 559 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: I said about Kelly, but I didn't think about it 560 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: in a holistic manner about Kelly's probably never had a 561 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: nervous breakdown before with her friends, Kelly bensimone who did 562 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: have a breakdown, Kelly died, probably never had a breakdown before. 563 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: You're in a pressure cooker and it's all these things 564 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: happening at once, which is production dream. So it's the 565 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: upside down because if at work you see Jane drinking 566 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: to excess, has asked, she's having it, she's she's a 567 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: little afraid. Her boss has to be like, all right, 568 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: I think you take the day off tomorrow. You see 569 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: them a little that's not this world. This world is 570 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: no take the day off, No stop shooting. Put the 571 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: cameras in closer. If you're having a fucking nervous breakdown, 572 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: that's TV gold. 573 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there, get in there tight yep. 574 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 1: So that's the whole reason for the reckoning. And I 575 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: was part of the cesspool. I was the queen of 576 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: the cesspool. I own my part of it. But now 577 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm watching this stuff differently because I've rinsed it and 578 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: I'm not in it, and I'm watching this girl. In 579 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: each scene people are telling her to drink. And I 580 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: really believe that because the producers do say, oh my god, 581 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: now you get a couple of I swear on my life. 582 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: They've said, get a couple of Martins into Durinda, and 583 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: then she's gonna fucking fly off. 584 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: I've heard this, and I've heard I've heard this before, 585 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: but that they're like, oh no, we just get them 586 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: boozed up and they we just keep them, keep them in, 587 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: keep feeding the cows. No, you know what I mean, 588 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: it's keep milking the cows. 589 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: It's turn that knob in the back, wind them up. 590 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: And it's not technical. It's not like, oh, we need 591 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: you to drink. It's not we're pouring it down your throat. 592 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: It's not that. But it's really setting everything up in 593 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: the same way in the beginning of The Bachelor and Bachelorette, 594 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: they don't all. 595 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 3: Absolutely it's called there was that one episode or that 596 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 3: one season where that one woman was just like, wasn't 597 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: she just like shit faced? Is she in the She 598 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: didn't even make it to like the first round, but 599 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 3: like everyone was talking about her the next day because 600 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 3: she was the drunk, loose, you know, crazy person. 601 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 2: So now she loved as that for the rest of 602 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 2: her life, you know. 603 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And Kelly Dodd recently said, no one ever forced 604 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: her to drink, But you're watching other people say have 605 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: a drink, Have a drink, Have a drink. You're having 606 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: a drink. I know for a fact that's production saying 607 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: just get her waisted. She'll fucking do something crazy. 608 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: Well, wasn't that Shannon first? 609 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: It is Heather with the flask, with the child like 610 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: ignoring no no means no an alcohol too. 611 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've never seen a woman with a fireball flask. 612 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 2: You know me either, Chanelle fireball flask, Amazon wish list. Okay, 613 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 2: just mark that down. I agree. I agree with you. 614 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 2: Where it's just like when do we say like no, 615 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: I'm okay, But then there's the peer pressure, Oh just 616 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 2: come on, it's just one more drink and you're like, okay, 617 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 2: I want to be cool and fit in. You know, 618 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: it's the old yeah program, just say. 619 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: No, right and Bravo has recently published a letter to 620 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: Deadline saying that they're now going to be more cognizant 621 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: and more conscientious about alcohol consumption on set because I 622 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: bring back work like, you don't watch someone, You don't 623 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: watch someone drink nine drinks that the Christmas party, someone 624 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: in management's gonna be like they need to go home, yes, 625 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, or someone has a problem. So this is 626 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: a different, weird world where there are no rules. So 627 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: that's that's part of my propaganda. So that's why you 628 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: know I'm noticing it differently because I'm thinking about it. 629 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: So okay, so oh it's funny. I wrote down what 630 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: you said, people snap. That's interesting. I wrote that to people. 631 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: Fucking snap. 632 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 2: They snap. We see it all the time. We see 633 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: it all the time. 634 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: And yeah, you're right, and she wants She's calling her 635 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: husband saying, I want to go home like a bit 636 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: like a child. I remember me calling Dennis might pass 637 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: you passed away. I want to go home like you 638 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: want it. You're like a baby at school and you 639 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: want to go home. 640 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: Please come get me. I'm over this. I don't want 641 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: to be here. 642 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 3: And then on top of that, you're getting that different 643 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 3: rush of adrenaline where it's like I want to go home, 644 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 3: I don't want to be here. Then the adrenaline's more panic. 645 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 3: You're having a panic attack. You know, your body is dehydrated, whatever, 646 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 3: and that's it. I hate that feeling, you know of 647 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 3: just like and you're in another country. 648 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: Like nothing, and you're sleep deprived. 649 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and all of that. You know you've been drinking 650 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 2: the night the night before, you don't know who to trust. 651 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: I get it. That's terrible. 652 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. And also you won't be paid if 653 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: you go home. 654 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: Oh really, you. 655 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: Won't be Yeah, you'll be told that you won't be paid, 656 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: and you won't be in an episode. I mean, there's 657 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: a thousand layers to it, but you're kind of trapped. 658 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: And then to add and so to injury. Not only 659 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: will you not be paid, you now know you're in 660 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: so deep that if you walk out, they're going to 661 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: talk about you in a scene. So you kind of 662 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: have this addiction where you want to be in it, 663 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: which is what happened with Kelly on Scary Island. She 664 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: wouldn't go to bed, even though I was saying go 665 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: to sleep, because she knew that we so and she 666 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: was a little fucked up, I think. And it's very 667 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: hard like I don't. I never saw it that way 668 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: because I was, you know, we were the unsullied in 669 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: Game of Thrones. But I see it definitely. So I 670 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: have compassion for Kelly Dove, which I didn't think I 671 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: would be saying, but I do. 672 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: I do. 673 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: So now let's talk about this. Well, first of all, 674 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: to lighten it up. Their label flex seems like it's 675 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: a normal level, Like it seems like women, I know, 676 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: like the Chanel bag that this it's not like Beverly 677 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: Hills where it's like in a frame put on a 678 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: pedestal on the table. The burkin is like, yeah, rotating 679 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: plexiglass box. Like it's like literally I've seen them put 680 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: into the camera line, you know, like here's my giraffe 681 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: notebook right in front. 682 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 2: It real quick, let me scan it? Yes, where get it? Yes? 683 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: Here, it's like in the middle of the table, like 684 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: you're seeing Chanel bag flopped over. It seems like a 685 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: realistic label flex, which I like, mm hmm. 686 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a comfortable label flex. It's by the way. 687 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: It's a comfortable label flex. It's not it's not you know, 688 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not like star billing. It's like a 689 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: support supporting character. Where do you stand on nighttime Hallway filming? 690 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: I was so uncomfortable. 691 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 3: I had a hard time understanding actually what was going 692 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 3: on because from what I from what I gathered, Kelly 693 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 3: was asleep. The girls had gone out to a bar 694 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 3: or several so they were kind of I feel like 695 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 3: they had time to kind of conjure this little like 696 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 3: trap almost to fly out. 697 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 2: The night that night, right, so they're just. 698 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: Like am like four or five in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 699 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: and they right, and. 700 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 2: Then they called her out into the hallway, right, or 701 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: she got up because she heard they were talking shit 702 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 2: about her or whatever. 703 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: Well, I think Vicky spilled some tea to Tam and 704 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: then Tama texted or god knows what she her. 705 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 2: The picture, yeah, which grow up? 706 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 3: But then, yeah, of course, I think it's like, you're asleep, 707 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 3: you're aggravated, you. 708 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 2: Just want to go home. Her buttons have been pushed. 709 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 3: She's called her husband like get me out of here, 710 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 3: and then let's just add one more cold to the fire. 711 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 2: And yeah, she got up. And I thought it was 712 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 2: just so shady. 713 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 3: That Heather had her phone out and was recording her. 714 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 3: And yeah, of course, no one wants to be like, 715 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 3: it's it's two o'clock in the morning, get your camera 716 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 3: out of my face, like what are you guys? What's 717 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 3: going on? What's wrong with you people? 718 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: Okay, let me explain something to you that's terrible. And 719 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: that I was right, and then I was excellent at 720 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: It's like an addiction. The whole thing and when you're 721 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 1: in the machine, everything is something, so you have like 722 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: that's why you cannot be on with friends because if 723 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: you let's say you have a good friend that's on 724 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: and you're out there being exposed for anything that you've 725 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 1: ever done or are doing, and your friend is having 726 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: an affair, now you're like holding onto their secret. Yours 727 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: is wide out there and every single thing is fair 728 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: game when the cameras are on and when the cameras 729 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: are off, you're in this game, and like I said, 730 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: it's always it's a battlefield. So at night when you're 731 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: not on the actual field, but the god like you know, 732 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: you're still in the headspace. And the problem is in 733 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: the middle of the night, it's going to be one 734 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: point for that team. So they're not going to not 735 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: film that because the next day if a tree fell 736 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: and no one heard, it didn't really happen exactly. You 737 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: got to always be getting points on the board, whether 738 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: the cameras are on or off, and you always want 739 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: everyone to know everything that happened, especially if it's something 740 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: it's somebody else did that was bad. 741 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 3: Which I feel like I just started watching Salt Lake 742 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 3: as well, and I feel like that's what's happening with 743 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 3: Salt Lake this season. It's very much that, like, get 744 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 3: them on a Spurner van, get them all the fight, 745 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 3: you got the new girl who just got her Louis 746 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 3: Vuitton bag. You know, you have the bragging about my 747 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 3: sixty thousand dollars ring is missing. It's just it's very 748 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 3: much like that, just pure chaos. Expose them all, you know. 749 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you want credit from the producers. You want 750 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: the producers to like pat you on the head for 751 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: what you've just done. That was good because then you 752 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: know you're in more scenes and you're more you, and 753 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: you want a point, like it really is like that. 754 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: Anyone who says it isn't is lying. It's not like 755 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm stuttering. It's not like I'm asking, it's not like 756 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: it's open for discussion. It's a fact. 757 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 2: I get it. It's a squid game, yes. 758 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, and it's really the hunger games, like you're 759 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: just in it. You're there for yourself, and the reason 760 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: that you're friends with the people is because their alliance 761 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: is to push what you're doing forward and hopefully get 762 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: to the super Bowl or the end of it, which 763 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: is the reunion and survive. 764 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Taylor Swift will be there, of course, But 765 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 3: can we do that? Can we pitch that to Bravo? 766 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 3: Can we do Housewives Hunger games? 767 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 2: That would be. 768 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: Amazing, Yes, because people would be dead, it would be 769 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: actually dead. And I think about and I really do 770 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: not blame the people on the field. I really blame 771 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 1: the game. Like the girls are pushing the alcohol because 772 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: they want something to happen with Kelly. Then the stink 773 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: is off them. And it happened years before the Naked 774 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: Wasted scene, and they showed back to it. 775 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 2: It's like, let's get it done, and they. 776 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 3: Yes, two naked wasted and they even said that exactly. 777 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 1: Okay, So now now we're in that van and I'm 778 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: thinking they have to get on a plane together. And 779 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what that to your point, Like what it 780 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 1: feels like to be depleted and you're on an airplane 781 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: and you're disgusting. It takes you by two weeks to 782 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: come recover? What the hell happens in that van? Like 783 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: what the hell? 784 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. Vicki's arm was still caught 785 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 2: on the van. She still hadn't been helped, and that's 786 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 2: She's like that is dragged. No, there's nothing that I. 787 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 3: Uh, it's I'm like this when when it's early and 788 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 3: there's loud sounds, whether that be a loud talker or 789 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 3: like some construction outside, especially when it was like what 790 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 3: three point thirty in the morning, we had this weird altercation. 791 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 3: Just get me home, and then it's just pure. Anytime 792 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 3: there's a night vision camera on, I think like there's 793 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 3: it's the worst. 794 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: Shout out to the DP because you felt it, you 795 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: had bad breath, you left stuff in your room that 796 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: you forgot when you were packing your suitcase. You're just 797 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: squat in a rage. 798 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 2: You're packing like yeah, like just yeah, you. 799 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: Smell like some some bad potato chip, Like you just 800 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: can I can feel how toxic and disgusting they felt. Yeah, 801 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: And it did feel like a school school bus with 802 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: like a little kid that was like being picked on 803 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: and like seems mean and gives more reason to be 804 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: it really did. I know, I don't know why. I 805 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: really don't think you and I would have been sympathetic 806 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: back then to the same degree. I don't know, I 807 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: don't know, but I really was sympathetic. 808 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 2: I feel like we missed, we missed a moment where 809 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 2: Kelly does admit that she was sorry. I don't know 810 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 2: where that came from. I'm so sorry. 811 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 3: I've never done that before, And it cut several of 812 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 3: the women saying she has done this before, and we 813 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 3: got good old flashback scenes of her saying I've never 814 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 3: done this before. I'm so sorry. So they are even 815 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 3: like making fun of it. They're making fun of her apology. 816 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 3: They're not acknowledging her apology because they don't think it's genuine. 817 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 2: You know, at least she apologizes. 818 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: It's not because it's vital skill. It's Ramona. Huh, it's 819 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: Ramona like it's it's not really a real apology. But 820 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: you need to do the apology because the producers need 821 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: you to go to the bottom, but they need you 822 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: to come back up otherwise it goes too dark. And 823 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: then the viewer turns off, like it's this game not 824 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: unlike the media. You beat somebody down and then they're canceled, 825 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: but then we want to watch them come back. So 826 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm because you're younger than I am. I can tell 827 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: by your beautiful skin. I mean too spiritually evolved in 828 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: the sense that I am too like touched. I'm too 829 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,439 Speaker 1: sappy and sympathetic because I've met I've really spent time 830 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 1: with Nini recently, and I've spent time with people that 831 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: I met during this whole franchise process, and I've really 832 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: liked them off the show, which leads me to believe 833 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't want anybody to judge me based on 834 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: me on the show, So how would I judge them? 835 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: And with all these provocative questions we get asked in 836 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,879 Speaker 1: the media on shows like Watch It Up Into Live, 837 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 1: we're saying shitty things about each other, and then we 838 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: were surviving. So when you're at your like you're surviving, 839 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: you're not at your best. So I've judged Kelly Dott 840 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: and I bet you in real life if I met 841 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,959 Speaker 1: her at a cock support I'd probably like her. 842 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have learned that that to not believe people 843 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 3: are like what you see on television. 844 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 2: I just feel I think so, I mean, I feel 845 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 2: like a very few of them actually are. But I've 846 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:04,240 Speaker 2: met Nini. 847 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 3: I worked with Ninie on She was a guest on 848 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 3: Cupcake Wars like years ago, and I was a writer 849 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 3: on that and she was a delight. Her and Cynthia 850 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 3: were on it as a team they were lovely, But yeah, 851 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 3: I definitely feel like there's a small percentage of people. 852 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 3: And that goes with like anybody entertainment. I mean, there's 853 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 3: there's several people. You know, there's comics and stuff where 854 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 3: you're like, oh my god, I mean look at the 855 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 3: whole like Ellen Cancel thing where it was like, oh, 856 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 3: she's a nightmare. 857 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 2: In real life. You know. 858 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,760 Speaker 3: It's like there's so many things like the Jimmy Fallon 859 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 3: thing happening right now. 860 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: What is your opinion of the Jimmy Fallon thing. 861 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 2: I honestly don't know because I don't I don't know him. 862 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 2: I'm not there, but I mean I've never met him. 863 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 2: But I mean there has been this, like. 864 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, there was saying there was 865 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 3: something along the lines of like him having a drinking problem. 866 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 3: Also going to go into effect that he's a father, 867 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 3: he's like working, you know, Monday through Friday. This it 868 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 3: has to be on all the time. So I don't know, 869 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 3: the same thing happened with Kelly Clarkson, who I adore, 870 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 3: you know, and Kelly was like, I had no idea 871 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 3: what was going on. So there's a lot of little 872 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 3: factors that everybody kind of has to regroup and figure 873 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 3: out how we want to make the machine work, whether 874 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 3: that's reality, whether that's you know, talk shows, whether that's 875 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 3: any sort of entertainment. 876 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: So so you're saying there's a bigger reckoning overall, which 877 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: I agree with because so having been on Jimmy Fallon 878 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: many times and knowing him and having spoken to people 879 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 1: very high in power around his show, I have a 880 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 1: decent recipe of what I think. One is that you know, 881 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: it's so necessary for him to be like the boy 882 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: next door and the offshops and then every mom in 883 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,720 Speaker 1: America likes him. That's kind of what they put forward, 884 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: which does land and there's a lot of pressure to 885 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: that obviously, and he does like to party and does 886 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 1: like to drink, and that would have been his achilles heel. 887 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 1: That was what was sort of worried about by the 888 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: powers that be. I also think that doing that every 889 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: day is such a machine and having to be on 890 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: and you're a traffic cop and you've got to get 891 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: integrations in and you've got to get questions in, and 892 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: you've got to and I will say I defended him, 893 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: and it was picked It was picked up in many 894 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: places that from my experience, and I've met him off 895 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: the show, I've met him in real life. Like in 896 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: my experience, he and his wife are very nice people, like, 897 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,439 Speaker 1: they're gracious, and he, unlike most hosts, every single time, 898 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 1: comes into your dressing room and is really nice and charming. 899 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: And that's exhausting, you know, and to be so I 900 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: think that it must be a tremendous amount of pressure 901 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: not to mention you who's a comedian knows to be funny. 902 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: That's such a grounds for insecurity. Not just to be gracious, 903 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: like Kelly Clarkson, to be funny, you have to be 904 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: fed to be a clown every night. That's hard. 905 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is hard, especially when you know you're dealing 906 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 2: with the world our own falling apart and people falling apart, spiraling, 907 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 2: and it's like your own world. You're going through your 908 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 2: own sort of depression, your own sort of chaos, and 909 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 2: you have to show up and be like, hey, I 910 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 2: mean it's hard. I've had definite I've had nights where 911 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 2: I've just been like, God, what am I doing? How 912 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 2: can I do this? 913 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:19,919 Speaker 1: Yeah? 914 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 3: Also in the same aspect of like a Jimmy or 915 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 3: any type of late night talk show, any type of 916 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 3: celebrity at all. 917 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 2: It only takes that little person to kind of. 918 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: Go out a termite a termite, yeah, and just turn 919 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, one hundred percent. And that's why I felt responsible. 920 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: I felt a responsibility to say, for whatever my opinion 921 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: is worth, I do not believe that Jimmy Fallon should 922 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: be on the list of cancelations because I think his 923 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: is the exception, not the role. I'm sure he's fucked up, 924 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 1: and I'm sure the environment is fucked up, and he 925 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: knows about some doesn't know about others. But I think 926 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: when he apologize, it was truthful. And I think he 927 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,760 Speaker 1: beats himself up more than people do, and for some reason, 928 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,919 Speaker 1: he like Kelly, which Kelly's wasn't about her, was about 929 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: her team, and his was about him and the environment. 930 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: But I just what I felt like we all are 931 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: so quick to judge, and it was important for me 932 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: to say publicly that I did not want to put 933 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: him on that list of I believe that Jimmy fouln' 934 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 1: is a good guy and that it's got to be 935 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: really hard that people don't see that we. 936 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 3: Need to bring back just forgiveness for accountability, like genuine accountability. 937 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 2: I you know, I remember an old saying that nobody's perfect. 938 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I feel like we should. 939 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 3: Get out, get over the whole, like cancel stuff and 940 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 3: just like learn about forgiveness and like, hey, we're allowing 941 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 3: people to grow granted if it's like awful, terrible, horrific. 942 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying to Air is human to 943 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: forgive his divine is what you're saying. Yeah, it's become crazy, 944 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: but it's weird because every day you get canceled, but 945 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: you kind of get renewed the same day. It's like 946 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: it's bizarre. Like Balenciaga was the devil and then now 947 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,600 Speaker 1: everyone's wearing Valenciaga. I was saying, you need like a 948 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,399 Speaker 1: cancelation report, like a weather report, like oh we oh, 949 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 1: we're allowed to. I don't even have Valenciaga, but like, 950 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: am I supposed to be wearing it? 951 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 2: Like? 952 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 1: Is that what the cool kids are doing now? I 953 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,839 Speaker 1: don't even know? You know, you go on a ride 954 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 1: every day. 955 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true, and that's why you're just kind of 956 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 3: like what am I? What are we doing today? What's 957 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 3: what's in? What's out? What are we are? 958 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 2: We still mad? At Lizzo, What are we doing? Exactly? 959 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 2: Do you? 960 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 4: Oh? 961 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 2: No, she's brave, No, she's insane? What what? What is happening? 962 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 1: It's exactly. It's so true, and that's why it sounds ridiculous. 963 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: But I wrote this like weird like manifesto mission staming 964 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: yesterday because I was trying to take accountability. I'm fifty two, 965 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm older than you, like I said, and I was like, 966 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm part of this. And a lot of times I 967 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: talk about things that I'm reading, so I'm literally regurgitating 968 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 1: but putting my own spin on something it's been fed 969 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: to me. And whether it's a little comment about a 970 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,240 Speaker 1: tailor swift or something what, I really don't know anything. 971 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't know these people. I don't know Megan Markle. 972 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,920 Speaker 1: I don't know any of these people. I do know 973 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: the effect that some things have on my daughter, filtering 974 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: or face tuning. Can have an opinion about something, but 975 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't have to go hold Kim Kardashian responsible for 976 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: my daughter's false ideal of beauty. I'll be the parent. 977 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: I have to parent stronger like so, I feel like 978 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: I've had a weird awakening lately about all the stuff. 979 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 3: It is interesting because it's like I've always been obsessed 980 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,880 Speaker 3: with like pop culture and and you know, one of 981 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,759 Speaker 3: my idols was Joan Rivers, you know for sure, and 982 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,319 Speaker 3: she would talk about entertainment and stuff, and it's like, 983 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:27,280 Speaker 3: it's just so funny. 984 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 2: If you're not, you're damned if you do, you're damned 985 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 2: if you don't. That's what it is. So you're allowed 986 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,879 Speaker 2: with that opinion. You're allowed to make a joke. 987 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 3: But if it's not a joke that everybody likes, then 988 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 3: you're not funny, you know, because. 989 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: You have to Well that's harder for you as a 990 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: comedian because it has to land. And like what it 991 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: was that alan all to stead. If it bends, it's funny. 992 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 1: If it breaks, it's not. 993 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 2: But if it's funny for these people, they love it. 994 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 3: If it's funny, If it's not funny for these people, 995 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,360 Speaker 3: they're gonna like, you know, give you one star reviews 996 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:54,959 Speaker 3: on your podcast and you know. 997 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,760 Speaker 2: This and that you need to not exist anymore. 998 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 3: You know that kind of stuff. And it's just like, 999 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,480 Speaker 3: oh my god. So that's something that I've had to 1000 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 3: learn with And that's so true. 1001 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: And it's ironic because the most wholesome who was praised 1002 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: for his comedy without using curses was Bill Cosby, how ironic. 1003 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 1: And the one on TikTok that everybody adored and was 1004 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,760 Speaker 1: god was Lizzo. Yeah, so we shouldn't have these idols, 1005 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,920 Speaker 1: like keep it at fifty five miles an hour. We 1006 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 1: don't have to go so hot and be you know, 1007 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,799 Speaker 1: make it that there are gods gods, because they're just 1008 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: bound to disappoint. 1009 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, just just wait this whole Travis Kelsey 1010 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,719 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift thing. It's like the Mint the one game 1011 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 2: they lose, Oh, the cursive Taylor lives on. You know, 1012 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 2: it's I couldn't even imagine that level of fame where you. 1013 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,840 Speaker 1: Know I couldn't either, and it just feels distracting and 1014 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,359 Speaker 1: it feels so by design. But you wouldn't think at 1015 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,760 Speaker 1: that level of fame it's by design. But it can't 1016 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 1: not be because you know what I mean, Like, you know, 1017 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 1: every single thing you do is being filmed, like you're 1018 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 1: on a reality that's a reality show. So Taylor is 1019 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 1: on a reality show for sure. So you know everything 1020 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,680 Speaker 1: you do where say everyone you bring that it's obvious 1021 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: we've proven that. So if you put what you. 1022 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,800 Speaker 2: Just have to just be robotic. 1023 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 3: It seems you know, like you know you're being watched 1024 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:23,320 Speaker 3: at every moment. 1025 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,719 Speaker 1: You don't or or you know. I'm saying like the 1026 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: Queen knows she's being watched. The Queen of England knows 1027 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,719 Speaker 1: when she was So you saw that, like not a 1028 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 1: lot of movement, not a lot of opinions, not a 1029 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 1: lot of anything, because every gesture is taken. So Taylor 1030 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 1: Swift is as big as the Queen of England and 1031 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 1: she puts her arms around the mom and really is 1032 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,719 Speaker 1: very you know, excited and animated. So that's positive and 1033 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,920 Speaker 1: she's having fun. But we all have to know that 1034 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,799 Speaker 1: it's got to be intentional by design, because she's smart 1035 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,880 Speaker 1: enough to know that nothing she does is not captured. 1036 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:56,719 Speaker 1: So I don't know what the design is and I 1037 00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,640 Speaker 1: don't know what architectural plan she has going, nor is 1038 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,840 Speaker 1: it my business, but she is by design. 1039 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,560 Speaker 2: I think so too, because it's I think it's like 1040 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 2: some weird masterful puzzle that like, and knowing her with 1041 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,719 Speaker 2: her Easter eggs and stuff. 1042 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, how is she just like this? I don't know, 1043 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 3: she's just a crafty Yeah, she des no idea. Either 1044 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 3: she's a saint or a sinner, I don't know. But 1045 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 3: whatever she's doing, it's working. Like everyone's tuning into football 1046 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,440 Speaker 3: now and I'm like, what. 1047 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: She decides exactly agreed. Well, if you're good at it 1048 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 1: that you know. I mean, like I said, the Queen 1049 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,240 Speaker 1: of England was was a long rain and she was amazing, 1050 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,440 Speaker 1: And so if you're good at it, go it seems 1051 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: to be working. Yeah, we'll find out. You're amazing. I 1052 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: love having you on. I'd love to have you back. 1053 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,880 Speaker 1: It's like so just refreshing to talk to you. 1054 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's it's like it's an honor. 1055 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 2: I love I love seeing you in person. It's like 1056 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:52,400 Speaker 2: it's a dream. 1057 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 1: Thank you and yeah no, And it's important to me that, like, 1058 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,840 Speaker 1: in talking about the show, it's not like we're trashing people. 1059 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,200 Speaker 1: We're like just talking about Danna. 1060 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 2: Show, right, We're talking about all women. 1061 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: It's like talking about all women through this vehicle. So 1062 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate you for playing along. Thank you so much. 1063 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,279 Speaker 1: You have a great day. 1064 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 2: You too, bad Bye? 1065 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 1: That was fun. I liked him. I mean it was Paul, 1066 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: my fiance who comes up with a lot of my 1067 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 1: ideas He's the one who always says you should have 1068 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,280 Speaker 1: comedians do rewives with you. They just have a different 1069 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,360 Speaker 1: way of analyzing things and thinking about things. And he 1070 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,759 Speaker 1: was very, very sweet, and I love I love this show, 1071 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: and I've been nervous, frankly a by doing the show, 1072 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 1: not wanting to be hypocritical because I'm talking about the 1073 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: reality reckoning. But it is a vehicle to talk about 1074 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,960 Speaker 1: women and what women go through. It's not a vehicle 1075 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,440 Speaker 1: to trash anyone, because we certainly have not trashed anyone. 1076 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: We're just talking about dynamics with women and life. And 1077 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,480 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. Thank you.