1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. Heath is the one and only 3 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: West Hot Quits. We're coming to you here from our 4 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. The Packers opponent this 5 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Sunday Sunday night football prime time, in fact, the Kansas 6 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: City Chiefs. The Packers will be traveling to Arrowhead Stadium, 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: and as recently as a week ago, this look at 8 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: the opponent seemingly would have been a lot of chatter 9 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: about the reigning league m v P and Patrick Mahomes, 10 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: but that won't be the case here now. Nothing is 11 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: official in terms of mahomes availability for Sunday Nights game, 12 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: but all signs are pointing to the fact that he 13 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: will not be able to play due to his knee 14 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: injury from last Thursday night against the Broncos, and the 15 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs are turning their offense over to the 16 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: veteran backup Matt Moore. Yes, so, a couple of things 17 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: that across my mind when I first saw this first 18 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: and foremost to touch on what you were mentioning dislocated 19 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: kneecap for Patrick Mahomes. The reports coming out of there, 20 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: and I think even their team doctor who addressed the 21 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: media about this was saying, you know, no ligament damage, 22 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: it's just that kneecap. They have to be smart about it. 23 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: I think he's going to wear a sleep when he 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: comes back. The optics of it, though, considering he's at 25 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: this point, now what nine days out from the injury, 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: you're guessing that you're probably not going to want to 27 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: see him out there in potentially risk an aggravation of 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: some kind. I wouldn't think. So that's where this biggest 29 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: conversation is coming from, especially considering, you know, the grand 30 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: scheme of things here. They want to be able to 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. They want him to leave them 32 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: into the playoffs. You've got to be smart. Now. Again, 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: we'll see what the week takes as far as its course. 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: Matt More was a really interesting case study, though, because 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: we've seen this a couple of times the last few years, 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: Mike not very often though, where a guy who was 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: completely out of the NFL for an entire season is 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: then suddenly thrust into a starting situation. The Packers went 39 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: through it with Seneca Wallace in two thousand thirteen. Josh 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: McCown is a guy that was out of football, returned 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: to the game and certainly is you know, made a 42 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: nice career for himself that second sort of life to 43 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: his NFL career. Matt Moore is a guy personally I've 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: always been very high on. I was I've always respected 45 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: him as a backup quarterback. I think a lot of 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: that came from watching Hard Knocks the year that Ryan 47 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: Tannehill was drafted, and he was kind of the transitionary 48 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: quarterback and played pretty well for Joe Philbin early on. 49 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: And then you know, he was with the Carolina Panthers 50 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: for a while and kind of ushered in the Cam 51 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: Newton era. But the fact of the matter is is 52 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: he did not play in the NFL last year, and 53 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: he's thirty five years old. He's a guy who knows 54 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: how to win. He's played a lot of football at 55 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: the very highest of levels. But it's gonna be natural 56 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: question marks there, because when a guy steps away from 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: the game and then comes back to it and then 58 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: here we are a month and a half in of 59 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: the season and now you're playing naturally, there's just gonna 60 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: be some wonder of, Okay, what does he still have left. Yeah, 61 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: I think not to oversimplify things too much, but we 62 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: saw last year with Patrick Mahomes winning the league m 63 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: v P. There's so much offense that he can create 64 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: on his own that you know, the play breaks down, 65 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: whatever it takes. Patrick Mahomes would find a way to 66 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: make a play. Now, Matt Moore is not going to 67 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: bring that element to the Kansas City Chiefs offense. But 68 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: this Kansas City Chiefs offense does have playmakers, and this 69 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: game for Kansas City will be about how does Matt 70 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: Moore get the ball into the hands of these playmakers. 71 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: And the two of course that jump out to me 72 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: that are at the top of my list are tight 73 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: end Travis Kelsey, who is the leading receiver by quite 74 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: a significant margin for this Chief's offense, and then Tyreek Hill, 75 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: who is back from injury and is the is the 76 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: speeds stir and the really dangerous explosive guy wants the 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: balls in his hands. Yeah, and if you could look 78 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: at last week's game, now, certainly a lot of it 79 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: was garbage minutes, but Matt Moore did fine. I mean 80 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: ten of nineteen seventeen yards and a touchdown. He navigated 81 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: the offense and there are a lot of weapons he's 82 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: going to be able to work off of. To give 83 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: people a little bit of a backstory here, the whole 84 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: plan going into the season's chat Henny the former Michigan quarterback, 85 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: now in his twelfth NFL season, was going to be 86 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: the backup to Mahomes. He ends up suffering a season 87 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: ending injury. So then here comes Matt More off the 88 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: street and suddenly he's thrown into this predicament. But what 89 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: I like about his backstory and being able to have 90 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: the playmaking and you know experience that he's had in 91 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: the past is you know, you know what you have 92 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: in Tyreek Hill. You know what you have in Shady McCoy, 93 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey, one of the best, if not the best 94 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: tight end in the NFL right now. That gives you outlets. 95 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: And I thought one thing you saw in early on 96 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: here is that with Andy Reid in the way that 97 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: this offense is structured, it's very quarterback friendly for a 98 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: guy to potentially be thrown in this situation and get 99 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: you a winner too until you can get Patrick Mahomes back. 100 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: The only difference is exactly what you outlined. You look 101 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: at what the Baltimore Ravens are doing right now. Lamar 102 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: Jackson's their quarterback. R G three is their backup. They 103 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: have a guy that plays a similar way to what 104 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson does. Yes, Kansas City is not like that. 105 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: The offense is going to change when you don't have 106 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and you're making a shift to an older, 107 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: more pocket based quarterback, and that's gonna be one of 108 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: the biggest hurdles I think that they're gonna have to 109 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: overcome here. If Matt Moore is the guy on Sunday Night, well, 110 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey, he's done a heck of a lot for 111 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: the for this Kansas City Chiefs offense. And my question 112 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: do you here is exactly how do you envision or 113 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: do you have any prediction here as to how the 114 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: Packers are going to match up with him? Because we've 115 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: seen the ups and downs with this Packers defense, specifically 116 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: against tight ends against Philadelphia. Zach Ertz was a chain mover. 117 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: He was really really key part of what Carson Wentz 118 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: was doing in that Thursday night game at lambeau Field. 119 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: Jason Witten of the Cowboys, t J Hockenson and the 120 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: Lions didn't do a whole lot against the Packers there 121 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: there there wasn't a major impact from those guys. Then 122 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: the tight ends led by Darren Waller of the Oakland Raiders, 123 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: they were the big stars, along with obviously running back 124 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs of the Oakland Raiders offense and having a 125 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: big day at Lambeu Field. So how do you envision 126 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: Mike Patton going about this matchup here with Travis Kelsey 127 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: get to Matt Moore as quickly as possible? May not, honestly, 128 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 1: and that's not to be disrespectful the defensive backs. Certainly, 129 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: the Packers have a lot of guys that they can 130 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: match up there, but Travis Kelsey is a nightmare for 131 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: any secondary in the NFL. His size, his speed, his athleticism, 132 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: his catch radius. How the offense basically runs through him. Now, 133 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: they definitely have big play weapons. You mentioned Hill. Sammy 134 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: Watkins has found some new life in Kansas City. Yeah, Watkins. 135 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: Watkins is off to McCloy for how many years we've 136 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: seen can catch the ball in the backfield. But let's 137 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: be honest, Mike, where this all starts as Kelsey. So 138 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: I think the quicker that you get on more, the 139 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: faster that you speed up his internal clock, the more 140 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: important it's going to be, because, yeah, you can do 141 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: a lot of different things. It can be Orn Burkes, 142 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: it can be Adrian Amos. Let's see what the week 143 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: holds here for Darnell Savage through his ankle injury, if 144 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: he could be back in the cards. But you have 145 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: to script your coverage in your plans. You have to 146 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: tailor those two defending Travis Kelsey, so for Zadarius and 147 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: Preston Smith the defensive front. The less time you give 148 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: more to find those weapons, the better it's going to 149 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: be for this defense. Yeah, and when I look at 150 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, and this is taking nothing away from what 151 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: he might be able to do as far as running 152 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: the deep ball and getting over the top. But with 153 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: Matt Moore as the quarterback and Andy Reid kind of 154 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: designing drawing some things up, I just see Andy Reid 155 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: trying to find a way, whether it's just quick throws 156 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: to the sideline, short throws, just getting the ball into 157 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: Tyree hills hands and letting him try to make something happen, 158 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: which I think then just puts a huge premium on 159 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: the tackling of the Packers defense because Tyree Hill, if 160 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: he makes big plays in this game. I think for 161 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: the most part, it's going to be if he's breaking 162 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: tackles and getting yards after the catch. If the Packers 163 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: tackle solidly against a very slippery, fast guy and a 164 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: very dangerous guy, I think they can. They can do 165 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: what they need to against Tyreek Hill, but they have 166 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: to tackle the players. You've seen players like Tyreek Hill 167 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: in this league before. It's not like he's just this 168 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: new phenomenon, but what he does and with his skill set, 169 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: his size, and his speed, I've always referred to them 170 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: as just second level destroyers, they nests. Now he certainly 171 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: has big play potential. We've seen it. I mean, I mean, 172 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: he's I couldn't even tell you how many forty plus 173 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: yard catches he has in this league. Put a lot 174 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: of them are off of creating opportunities, making the first 175 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: tackler miss and being able to really, you know, weave 176 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: his way down field. And that's why the second level 177 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: he really challenges you there, because he challenges your mental mindset, 178 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: your gap, integrity, and what you're looking forward to achieve. 179 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: You know, inside those those sticks and he can break them, man, 180 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: and they can use them in a lot of different ways. 181 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: I agree with you when when I've always said this, 182 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: You've heard me talk about this numerous times. When you 183 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: have a backup quarterback, what do you need to do? 184 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: You need to introduce Chaos and Tyreek Hill and the 185 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: way he plays that can be definitely a player who 186 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: does that because he can go more off script and 187 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: allow more to uh, you know, potentially work underneath and 188 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: still have some explosive play possibilities. Yeah, alright, Well, before 189 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: moving on to the defensive side of the ball for 190 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: the Chiefs here West, some sponsor business select Cousin Subs 191 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: locations are now offering delivery. 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You talk 199 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: about Kelsey and all these outside weapons, this is going 200 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: to start for the packers in the trenches and stopping 201 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: McCoy because they've started to lean more towards him. The 202 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: Damien Williams experiment hasn't really worked out the way it 203 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: did late last season when they need to lean on him. 204 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: If you stop McCoy and you can stop that running game, 205 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: that's what starts you get allowing you to be you 206 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: can make them more one dimensional and allow you to 207 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: kind of defend the rest of the field from there. 208 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: That's going to be the primary objective I feel in 209 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: this game. Yeah, And certainly with the Chiefs looking at 210 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: the film of what the Oakland Raiders did with Josh 211 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: Jacobs and with Matt Moore being the backup quarterback, they're 212 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: going to try to pound the ball in the ground, 213 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: excuse me, and get something generated, get something started there. 214 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: The ground game is going to be a really good 215 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: best friend of Matt Moore here if the Chiefs can 216 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,599 Speaker 1: get it going, and that's why the Packers have to 217 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: stop it. Yeah. On the defensive side of the ball, now, 218 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: this is a team that reached the a f C 219 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: Championship Game a year ago, lost in overtime. If I 220 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: recall to the New England Patriots in that a f 221 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: C title game, but they overhauled their defense. They got 222 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: rid of pretty much the entire defensive coaching staff. They 223 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: changed some of the key guys, especially the pass rushers 224 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: um on that side of the ball. Justin Houston d 225 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: Ford where their bookend pass rushers coach by Mike Smith 226 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: who is now the outside linebackers coach of the Smith 227 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: Brothers and others here in Green Bay, Houston and Ford. 228 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: They racked up a lot of sacks, takeaways, turnover opportunities 229 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: for the Kansas City Chiefs. But they decided to move on. 230 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: They've rebuilt this defense and quite frankly, they haven't gotten 231 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: the results that they were looking for. Um, what what's 232 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: your sense right now of where this Kansas City Chiefs 233 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: defense is? Well, it's got check time because I'll tell 234 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: you what, D four. It's quickly becoming one of the 235 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: biggest playmakers in that defense for the San Francisco forty Niners. 236 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: Really good defense out there in Frisco. Yeah, they're gonna 237 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: be a problem here for the rest of the NFC. 238 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: They made the trade to get Frank Clark, and I 239 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: couldn't tell you, honestly, I haven't watched Clark enough, but 240 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: I've read all these things about you know, a lot 241 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: of questions there about if he's been the player that 242 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: you know they need him to be. They have twenty 243 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: sacks this year, but it's pretty spread across. I think 244 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: they have three or four guys that each have three sacks. Uh. 245 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: Their secondary is pretty stout. I mean, they're top ten 246 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: as far as past defense is concerned. But Shad Brylan 247 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: was one of the big signings this offseason. He works 248 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: as one of their starters, and then certainly the Honey 249 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: Badger going over there as well. They still are uptable. 250 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: It seems to be like, you know, to have the 251 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: ball moved against them, but maybe not the total sieve 252 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: that they were at times last season when Patrick Mahomes 253 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: was kind of just asked to win shootout after shootout. 254 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: But I think the big opportunity for Green Bay in 255 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: this game is going to be against running against that 256 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: front for Aaron Jones, Jamal Williams. I want to say 257 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: I don't have in front of me. I want to 258 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: say they're twenty five against the run this season. Yeah, 259 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: they're in there in the bottom quarter of the league 260 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: in run defense. I believe the ranking is even lower 261 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: when you look at just the yards per rush. I 262 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: believe it's actually five point oh that they're allowing on 263 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: the ground, which which is a problem. And certainly for 264 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: whatever injuries the Packers are dealing with offensively, and we 265 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: don't know what the status will be for Davante Adams 266 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: and whatnot this week, But for the Packers, if you 267 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: go into this game with Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams 268 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: both healthy and ready to go, and facing a defense 269 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: is giving up five yards per carry on the ground 270 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: for the season, you really want to get these running 271 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: backs rolling. Yeah, the Kansas City Chiefs at this point 272 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: played seven games. In five of them they've been out rushed. 273 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: That was including the yard game that carry On Johnson 274 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: had that you and I were talking about a couple 275 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Marlon Mack and Hunter thirty two yards 276 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: three weeks ago, and then Carlos Hyde the the early 277 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: season addition to Houston Hunter sixteen yards. So yeah, I 278 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: think this is gonna be the biggest key for them. 279 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: As much as you know Aaron Rodgers is still gonna 280 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: be important, You're you're gonna need to be able to 281 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: move the ball downfield and have that threat. This definitely 282 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: looks to me like a game that's tailored for Aaron Jones, 283 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams, Danny Vitalley to go to work up front. Yeah, 284 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: and when you're talking about going on the road here, 285 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: the Packers are two and oh on the road. But 286 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: this starts a stretch of four out of five games 287 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: on the road here for Green Bay. With the bye 288 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: week mixed in, it's gonna be a pretty charged atmosphere. 289 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or no Patrick Mahomes, this is gonna be 290 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: Sunday night, prime time under the lights at Arrowhead. This 291 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: is a Chiefs team that was on the verge of 292 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl last year. They're five and two this year. 293 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: They still have a lot of high hopes. They feel 294 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: like they can still be a challenger when it's all 295 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: said and done for the New England Patriots to try 296 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: to get back to the Super Bowl. I think it's 297 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: going to be quite the atmosphere even if Mahomes isn't 298 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: on the field on Sunday. Yeah, Brian Balaga was saying 299 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: on Monday. I mean they're fully prepared already for a 300 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: silent count in to deal with a lot of noise pollution. 301 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: It's funny because we've covered so many preseason games there, 302 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: At least from my perspective, I kind of forget that 303 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: I've never covered a regular season game there before. I've 304 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: covered I've covered two there, one in two thousand, two 305 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: thousand seven and then uh um and then again in 306 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven. There was a switch up in the 307 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: scheduling formula, so the Packers actually went to Kansas City 308 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: twice um in a span of five years there. And yeah, 309 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: I mean, now both of those were just your garden 310 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: variety afternoon games, So I have I haven't covered a 311 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: regular season game in prime time there, but certainly it's 312 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: it's a stadium that's that's known for its noise, known 313 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: for its atmosphere, and I think, you know, quite frankly, 314 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: this is a this is a fan base that's going 315 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: to come out with uh all the support that they 316 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: can muster for their backup quarterback to say, Okay, here 317 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: come the Packers and Aaron Rodgers, let's show them what 318 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: we got. Well, and you know, I said what I 319 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: said about the defense and the fact it's been more 320 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: balanced everything, but then you look at last week. I mean, 321 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: they did have nine sacks last week, so a lot 322 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: of their sacks. A lot of their pressures came in 323 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: that game against Denver. Now that was on the road. 324 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: If they if you go out and you allow them 325 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: to have that kind of momentum there early, the defense 326 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: can dictate this game, and that can get a crowd 327 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: charged up. I just think that those first five six 328 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: minutes of this thing are going to be so crucial 329 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: to you know, not only setting a tempo, setting a tone, 330 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: potentially taking the crowd out of it a little bit, 331 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: but also just being able to to get your momentum 332 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: here on the road. The Packers kind of in a way, 333 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: he sort of have to learn how to play on 334 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: the road here. Um, Dallas was a lot of fun. 335 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: They played well, They had a lot of Packer fans there. 336 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: There was some pretty good go Pack go chance, I 337 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: want to say, in both of these games so far, Mike, 338 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: including Chicago, there was a go Pack go chant that 339 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: broke out its soldier field to I think this is 340 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: gonna be a very Kansas City pro crowd. So um, 341 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: but it's a good But you need these type of 342 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: matchups because a week from now they're gonna have a 343 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: pseudo home game in l A. They just want one 344 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: out in l A. Is going to be a whole 345 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: different type of game, And to be honest with you, 346 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: that's kind of on the Chargers because of the way 347 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: the ticket pricing goes that they don't have a lot 348 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: of fans to drop from in that market. So who 349 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: are you gonna be getting. You're gonna be getting a 350 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: lot of Packer fans, and then you're back home against 351 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: Carolina and then you're into the bye week. So Patrick Mahomes, No, 352 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, I feel like there's a lot that they 353 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: can learn from in this matchup and just being able 354 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: to dictate tempo early on and understanding, okay, we get 355 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: into our silent count, you hit it. You know, they've 356 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: been so good at scripting those first fifteen you know 357 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them. Now that the first 358 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: series that I think that's gonna be put to the 359 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: test in this matchup. And making sure you can get 360 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: these guys playing as one. Yeah, well, as with most 361 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: road games, but I think particularly in a stadium like Arrowhead, 362 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to deal with surges from the home team. 363 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: They're gonna have their times where they generate momentum where 364 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: they get things going, and you know, how this is Wes. 365 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: You have to find a way you don't. You need 366 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: to weather those storms when you're on the road, and 367 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: you need to try to limit the damage as much 368 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: as possible. If they have some big, huge surge, but 369 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: if that surge is ten points as opposed to fourteen 370 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: or seventeen points or something like that, that can be 371 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: the difference in the game. It's about weathering that storm, 372 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: limiting the damage. And mahomes or no mahomes, the Chiefs 373 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: are gonna have. They're going to have their moments in 374 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: this game where the crowd is really going to get 375 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: into it. They're going to generate the momentum and the 376 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: and the Packers are going to have to respond. And 377 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: that's something Packers certainly did it well both at Chicago 378 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: and at Dallas. But for this to only be your 379 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: third road game this far into the season, I think 380 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: that's an interesting dynamic. Yeah, it's tough to say because 381 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, the day in which we're taping this on Wednesday, 382 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: we first have afternoon practice, so we don't know exactly 383 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: how this is going to shuffle out with Davante Adams. Yeah, 384 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: we're wanting to see what's going on with some of 385 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: these guys for the Packers who are injured. And the 386 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: other thing that makes a little bit more confusing is 387 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: you and I sit in these seats as you look 388 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: at the offense that Kansas City has their top ten 389 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: and basically every category there third in the least amount 390 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: of sacks allout. I mean, they are so they play 391 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: so well around Mahomes that when you add a new 392 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: dynamic to that, it kind of raises some questions there. 393 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: So what of the point I'm trying to make, What 394 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: does that lead you to believe? It leads you to 395 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,239 Speaker 1: believe in protecting the football and field position. It just 396 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: so happens. You look at the special teams of Kansas City, 397 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: Dustin Cole clip back there. This is gonna be a 398 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: really good battle for J. K. Scott too, and being 399 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: able to maintain that and keep it going in your 400 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: direction because Kansas City, we've known this. I mean, you 401 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: see the way that they play special teams. That's one 402 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: of the prototypes for how special teams are played in 403 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: this league. So as much as you want to talk, 404 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: we can talk about more. You can talk about their 405 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: defense and that I just think, again, this is gonna 406 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: be one of those matchups. That comes back to takeaways, 407 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: and it comes back to Okay, who's winning time of 408 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: possession and where are these guys starting from on each play. 409 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: Packers need a really strong performance other special teams I 410 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: think to prevail on Sunday, and I think we'll We'll 411 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: get into a little bit more of that discussion on 412 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: our shows as the week continues, but for now, we're 413 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: going to call it a wrap on this edition of 414 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted. 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