1
00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,520
Speaker 1: You get great news like that, and I was like,

2
00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,920
Speaker 1: so broke and busted. My flight got canceled and I

3
00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,080
Speaker 1: literally couldn't afford a hotel in Boston, so I slept

4
00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:20,000
Speaker 1: in the airport. Then you know Hayley Witters. I mean,

5
00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,560
Speaker 1: she absolutely could have made it just based on talent

6
00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,400
Speaker 1: in her first year in town. But what I like

7
00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,240
Speaker 1: about her story is just the timing. It wasn't right,

8
00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,279
Speaker 1: but she just kept on. Like timing's a big part

9
00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,920
Speaker 1: of it, because she's had the talent. But what's cool

10
00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,040
Speaker 1: is she didn't really change who she was, and now

11
00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,720
Speaker 1: she gets to be who she really is, and now

12
00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,680
Speaker 1: she gets she's having a real moment here. And so

13
00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,800
Speaker 1: I really like Hayley. We've had her on the radio

14
00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,479
Speaker 1: show to play and I don't know, I just just

15
00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,720
Speaker 1: her spirit is awesome. And she's very open about the

16
00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,640
Speaker 1: fact that she's been here ten, eleven, twelve years and

17
00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,480
Speaker 1: it took her that long, and she talks about had

18
00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,080
Speaker 1: to go back to waiting tables, and if anything, I

19
00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,600
Speaker 1: want people to take away from this, not even the

20
00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,360
Speaker 1: music part of it, that like, as long as you're

21
00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,319
Speaker 1: still going to day and over and it's super cool.

22
00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm just a big fan of her episode three eighty six.

23
00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:18,000
Speaker 1: Her current single is everything. She Ain't sort of turn

24
00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,119
Speaker 1: it down briefly, so let me get sued right down

25
00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,800
Speaker 1: and all the way, all the way now back up

26
00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:32,959
Speaker 1: money everything she eats everything. We still have an official

27
00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,760
Speaker 1: ruling on that, right. They just say no more than

28
00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,000
Speaker 1: five seconds. They say five seconds, but we should do

29
00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,000
Speaker 1: it like six seconds for a couple episodes to see

30
00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,920
Speaker 1: if they come at us, and then seven the next

31
00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,600
Speaker 1: thing you know, we're playing the entire song. Huh. So

32
00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,880
Speaker 1: Hailey Witters, she has an album called Raised to come

33
00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,000
Speaker 1: out last year. It's her third studio album. But she

34
00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,720
Speaker 1: talks about stuff and it's like, does that happened? Twelve

35
00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,400
Speaker 1: years she spent here and she just now started to

36
00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,720
Speaker 1: really see it happen. But she's always been awesome and

37
00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,160
Speaker 1: she's always been herself, and I think that's what held

38
00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,440
Speaker 1: her back for a bit because people didn't know what

39
00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:03,880
Speaker 1: to do with her because she was so different. But

40
00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,320
Speaker 1: it's also now what's really like put her in a

41
00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,480
Speaker 1: spot to be hugely successful. So follow her at Hailey

42
00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,240
Speaker 1: Witters on Instagram and TikTok or what I like to

43
00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,000
Speaker 1: do sometimes when I listen to podcasts. If I don't

44
00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,320
Speaker 1: know the person, I'll go look, it's what their face

45
00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,560
Speaker 1: looks like, so I can imagine them during the interview.

46
00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,400
Speaker 1: So if you like her, check it out, enjoy it. Mike.

47
00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,239
Speaker 1: What's on Movie's movie podcasts? This week? I watched every

48
00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,480
Speaker 1: single Marvel movie and did a breakdown of how I

49
00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,280
Speaker 1: watched them. He had in a different way. You didn't

50
00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,480
Speaker 1: watch him in order? Yeah, I did a character by character,

51
00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,320
Speaker 1: so check that out. And then next week on this

52
00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,440
Speaker 1: is we have Chase Rice. I don't know if that

53
00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,080
Speaker 1: was next week, but also one that Chase left. And

54
00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,360
Speaker 1: I've known Chase in our capacity for years. We never

55
00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,000
Speaker 1: really hung out, never really got along that well, but

56
00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,080
Speaker 1: we kind of get into that and it was I mean,

57
00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,040
Speaker 1: it really was one of the best ones as far

58
00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,959
Speaker 1: as somebody coming in and just going, all right, all

59
00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,960
Speaker 1: the armors off, let's just talk about it. It's awesome.

60
00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,320
Speaker 1: It's a really good one. And this one's great and

61
00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,600
Speaker 1: it's Haley Witters. I hope you enjoy it. She's going

62
00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,960
Speaker 1: out on the twenty twenty three Raised tour. I hope

63
00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,920
Speaker 1: you go see her alive. She's amazing and here she is.

64
00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,320
Speaker 1: I grew up in Arkansas, we had a bunch of tornadoes.

65
00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,720
Speaker 1: You have a bunch yeah in Iowa. Yeah, yeah, we

66
00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,560
Speaker 1: always did us too, And so I just got them

67
00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,600
Speaker 1: on my wife and she's driving to Memphis and then

68
00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,000
Speaker 1: back later tonight because she has an event out there.

69
00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,760
Speaker 1: But she was like, hey, they just come up the phone.

70
00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,680
Speaker 1: It's at tornado warning. I like, everywhere, I don't see

71
00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,720
Speaker 1: twenty warnings? Really, yeah, did you look any everywhere? I

72
00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,960
Speaker 1: didn't see anything I didn't see. You know. I feel

73
00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,200
Speaker 1: like we all get really skittish, and rightfully so because

74
00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,800
Speaker 1: we had that super bad one, you know, but like

75
00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,760
Speaker 1: I mean tornadoes back growing up, it was like, let's

76
00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,480
Speaker 1: go sit on the board. Same thing. It really was,

77
00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,960
Speaker 1: until we absolutely have to go to the basement. Yeah.

78
00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,040
Speaker 1: We the last time there was a big storm here,

79
00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,000
Speaker 1: probably like six months ago, we got in the basement

80
00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,480
Speaker 1: because under this place there's a big like finish basement.

81
00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,760
Speaker 1: And in my I just had a surgery and he's

82
00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,360
Speaker 1: in a cone. Had two people from New York that

83
00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,600
Speaker 1: have flown in for like business, and we're all underneath there.

84
00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,120
Speaker 1: One of the dogs is new Pean on stuff. It

85
00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,200
Speaker 1: was just wild, but they were all freaked out because

86
00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,400
Speaker 1: they were from New York and they had never seen

87
00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,760
Speaker 1: tornadoes before. Again, yea, we have in Arkansas every three

88
00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,400
Speaker 1: weeks or so. On this it Oh my god, it

89
00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,440
Speaker 1: was consistent. So my point is, she's freaking out a

90
00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,120
Speaker 1: little bit. But I'm looking. I don't see anything. Microphone

91
00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,680
Speaker 1: still on, right, Yeah, you're watching. I don't see anything. Well.

92
00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,279
Speaker 1: I saw Haley put her phone on airplane mode, and

93
00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:27,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if that's the move

94
00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,400
Speaker 1: right now. I'm trusting y'all will tell us if we

95
00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,760
Speaker 1: gotta go downstair. We got I got like four different

96
00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,960
Speaker 1: things that are gonna alert us. But other than that,

97
00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,080
Speaker 1: how's it been going? It's good. I was just telling

98
00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,240
Speaker 1: the boys. I just got in this morning. I was

99
00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,800
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis last night. She played like a radio show

100
00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,159
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, we played um K one O two

101
00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,320
Speaker 1: radio show fan jam Frozen fan Jam. Scottie mccrew was

102
00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,159
Speaker 1: out there, Shane Prophet Brelan was out there. Um yeah,

103
00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,640
Speaker 1: it was good. Is that Greg sweat Berg? Yes? Greg

104
00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,200
Speaker 1: and Pat got it. Yep. And so you flew back

105
00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,400
Speaker 1: this morning. You know what I saw about you was

106
00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:11,080
Speaker 1: it was as I saw that your song had maybe

107
00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,480
Speaker 1: top thirty or something last week? Am I accurate on that? Yes?

108
00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,000
Speaker 1: Last week I thought super cool, because yeah, it's so

109
00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,479
Speaker 1: hard to get to that spot because there's like a

110
00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:26,839
Speaker 1: weird like swampy ground that's like forty eight to thirty thirty,

111
00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,760
Speaker 1: and if you can break that then you actually have

112
00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,280
Speaker 1: a shot. There's just so much I mean, people are

113
00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,320
Speaker 1: just throwing stuff left and right at that chart. And

114
00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't really like I don't personally do music and

115
00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,200
Speaker 1: don't really keep up with music as far as like

116
00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,640
Speaker 1: was on the charts, But I just play the stuff

117
00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,920
Speaker 1: that I like, or have the people on the show

118
00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,400
Speaker 1: that I like, or I program the National Countdown or

119
00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,560
Speaker 1: the Women of our Country and that. But I did

120
00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,440
Speaker 1: see that yours had climbed up and now like you

121
00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,960
Speaker 1: got you got a real shot with this song. It

122
00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,920
Speaker 1: has like this whole thing is so new to me.

123
00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,880
Speaker 1: This is my first go with radio and it's been

124
00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,800
Speaker 1: such a really yeah, I've never been you know, so

125
00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,120
Speaker 1: like I don't know what to expect. I told my managers.

126
00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,480
Speaker 1: I was like, y'all just call me if it's good news,

127
00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,719
Speaker 1: Like you know, I think it would drive me like

128
00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,440
Speaker 1: neurotic to just be like checking all the time and like,

129
00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,600
Speaker 1: because you know, it's so much like out of your control,

130
00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,200
Speaker 1: and but this is my first go with it all,

131
00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,480
Speaker 1: and it's been such a learning experience for me. And

132
00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,159
Speaker 1: like definitely they like preped me. They were like, look,

133
00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,640
Speaker 1: there it's a slog in like the fifties, forties and stuff,

134
00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, and so like, I'm I'm pleased to hear

135
00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,760
Speaker 1: you saying that about the thirties because who knows. Shoot, well,

136
00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,479
Speaker 1: I would say that just speaking to you honestly, that

137
00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,680
Speaker 1: I think you gotta get up to like thirty nine

138
00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,080
Speaker 1: twenty eight so that your team then goes because they

139
00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,520
Speaker 1: have to kind of be reminded even though they know,

140
00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,560
Speaker 1: but they're so inside that hey, maybe we should we

141
00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,320
Speaker 1: should spend even more money on this promotion. And sometimes

142
00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,080
Speaker 1: it can roll if you hit top twenty five or so,

143
00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,800
Speaker 1: that momentum actually rolls into the next song, right, It

144
00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,160
Speaker 1: was just kind of depending on what it is. But

145
00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,280
Speaker 1: no one I saw. I saw it on Twitter. There's

146
00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,200
Speaker 1: a guy that lives in New York and he's a

147
00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,920
Speaker 1: random like it is like I'm not sure the show

148
00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,679
Speaker 1: he does, but he posts a lot of charts stuff,

149
00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, I think I saw him post it that

150
00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,360
Speaker 1: you'd hit top thirty. Yeah, and I was like, that's

151
00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,520
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. That's awesome, that's good. And I

152
00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,400
Speaker 1: didn't know. I guess I've known of you so long.

153
00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know that you hadn't really done that where

154
00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,760
Speaker 1: they have tried the radio thing, because I know for

155
00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,680
Speaker 1: a long time they were just putting out really good

156
00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,560
Speaker 1: music by you, so people would know the really good

157
00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,880
Speaker 1: music like strategically And so, is this the first time

158
00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,080
Speaker 1: you've had a promo team work a song? Yeah? Yeah,

159
00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean I this is like my first because I

160
00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,600
Speaker 1: was independent for so long. I mean I've been here

161
00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,840
Speaker 1: fifteen years, and it was like you're twelve. I think

162
00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,520
Speaker 1: it was twenty twenty. But three years ago I signed

163
00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,720
Speaker 1: my first ever record deal with Big Loud and Pigasus

164
00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,440
Speaker 1: and so, and then it was like with the pandemic

165
00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,880
Speaker 1: had hit, I came in with a record, so like

166
00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,840
Speaker 1: we released that and then we went and did this

167
00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,920
Speaker 1: EP and then Raised is the first record that like

168
00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,280
Speaker 1: was kind of like my official starting with Big Loud

169
00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,760
Speaker 1: record and um, this was one of those songs off it.

170
00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,480
Speaker 1: It was like kind of testing the waters a little

171
00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,480
Speaker 1: bit to see what would happen with it, and this

172
00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,440
Speaker 1: one kind of like took off, and so they were like, great,

173
00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,600
Speaker 1: let's get a radio campaign going, you know, which means

174
00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,720
Speaker 1: that it's money, right, They're gonna spend money. Yeah, I mean,

175
00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,400
Speaker 1: that's really what it is. They're gonna spend money to

176
00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,320
Speaker 1: make sure that you can get to places like Minnesota.

177
00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:28,880
Speaker 1: What sucks for you as you don't get paid, but

178
00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,440
Speaker 1: what's great is they're paying for it, and you're gonna

179
00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,120
Speaker 1: go do promotion and be in front of people's faces

180
00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,040
Speaker 1: and you know, and then they go, well, like her,

181
00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,920
Speaker 1: let's play the song. It's just up yeah, you know,

182
00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,960
Speaker 1: but it is money and resources. Yeah, and they're spending

183
00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,000
Speaker 1: it now. Yeah, and hopefully when it hits top thirty,

184
00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,320
Speaker 1: they go, Okay, let's look, let's go a little more in. Yeah,

185
00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,040
Speaker 1: and if they're listening now, you should go a little

186
00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,360
Speaker 1: and we should go a lot more in. I'm a believer.

187
00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,480
Speaker 1: I just got my first ever plaque. I got a

188
00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,240
Speaker 1: gold plaque two days ago. Does it gold me five

189
00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,800
Speaker 1: hundred thousand? I don't really know either, So what for

190
00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,960
Speaker 1: this song? Yeah? And so what does that mean now?

191
00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,320
Speaker 1: Because back in the day it would mean five hundred

192
00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,280
Speaker 1: thousand units bought. But I guess now it's the equivalent

193
00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,920
Speaker 1: with streams. I think it's like, is it seventy million

194
00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,800
Speaker 1: or some seventy or seventy five million? I feel like, congratulations.

195
00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,880
Speaker 1: Where do they give it to you on stage? Um? No,

196
00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,720
Speaker 1: they surprised me at the Big Loud label building the

197
00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,240
Speaker 1: other day. They like woke me up for a nine

198
00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,240
Speaker 1: am surprise come to the office. Likely. I was like,

199
00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:34,080
Speaker 1: actually dressed, you know, and um yeah, and they surprised

200
00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:35,840
Speaker 1: me there and it was awesome. I mean I've never

201
00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,640
Speaker 1: won anything, you know, So it's what's crazy. I hear

202
00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,920
Speaker 1: you say that. I just have such a high regard

203
00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,080
Speaker 1: for you and your talent that sometimes I have to

204
00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,679
Speaker 1: be reminded that, Like even when you're like this is

205
00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,960
Speaker 1: my first br I'm like really, yeah, Like what a

206
00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:53,280
Speaker 1: travesty that is. Oh gosh. But don't get me depressed, Bobby. No,

207
00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,600
Speaker 1: it's the opposite of that. And it's a true testament

208
00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,079
Speaker 1: of just tenacity more than anything. And I feel like

209
00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,559
Speaker 1: that's been the key to any success I have. Yeah,

210
00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,200
Speaker 1: where you're actually good at something, I just last like,

211
00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,280
Speaker 1: you're like super talented, and I just go I'm just

212
00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,520
Speaker 1: like a cockroach like things by around me. I just

213
00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,040
Speaker 1: keep walking. I want to go back though a few

214
00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:19,080
Speaker 1: years god to the record that you paid for yourself,

215
00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,280
Speaker 1: which was The Dream. Yeah right, yeah, when you when

216
00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,640
Speaker 1: you pay for a record yourself, how do you go

217
00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,640
Speaker 1: about that? Is it a lump some how? Many tracks?

218
00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,280
Speaker 1: Like walk me through those decisions, because sometimes there are

219
00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,840
Speaker 1: hard decisions to make because you don't have money pay

220
00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,079
Speaker 1: for all the tracks that you want to come right,

221
00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,320
Speaker 1: So go back to that record and tell me how

222
00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,160
Speaker 1: you made the decisions that you did to put that out.

223
00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,200
Speaker 1: That was like you know, some people go and they

224
00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,680
Speaker 1: like cut a record in like a week. That was

225
00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,319
Speaker 1: like a year and a half process for me. So

226
00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't like, you know, I just had this giant

227
00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,240
Speaker 1: sum of money and let's go blow it on a record.

228
00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,120
Speaker 1: It was like I was waiting tables I um I had.

229
00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,080
Speaker 1: I was still in my first publishing deal, which was

230
00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,960
Speaker 1: with Carnival Music, so I was getting like, you know,

231
00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,840
Speaker 1: my monthly songwriter thing. Um. But let me tell everybody

232
00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,559
Speaker 1: listening that ain't no luxury boats. Oh no, like you're

233
00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,000
Speaker 1: pension pennies. You know, like first deal, you ain't making money,

234
00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,840
Speaker 1: but um and so I like, I also had had

235
00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,199
Speaker 1: my first single as a songwriter kind of during that time,

236
00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,200
Speaker 1: maybe a few years prior, a little Big Town recorded

237
00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,400
Speaker 1: a song I've written called happy People. Um was that

238
00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,760
Speaker 1: on the Frail Project or was it it was on UM? Yeah,

239
00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,560
Speaker 1: it was right after it was the Breaker record? Got

240
00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,120
Speaker 1: it and you know, again like that one struggled at radio,

241
00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,320
Speaker 1: like I think it was only on there for maybe

242
00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:41,960
Speaker 1: a few months, So it wasn't like I had before.

243
00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,440
Speaker 1: You talk about struggle tho, I want to talk about

244
00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,360
Speaker 1: you getting the single, like, because because that isn't that's

245
00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,560
Speaker 1: an amazing thing to hear they're cutting your song. Yes, so,

246
00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,280
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get back to the record, but You've

247
00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,040
Speaker 1: sent me down a different hole that I want to

248
00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,120
Speaker 1: go look into, where it's you're writing songs, you have

249
00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,240
Speaker 1: a publishing deal, you write that song, and how do

250
00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,920
Speaker 1: you know when they're interested? First, this was like a

251
00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:08,440
Speaker 1: total freak never happened thing that happened to me where

252
00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,440
Speaker 1: it was like I went up to Boston. I think

253
00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,160
Speaker 1: this was like you're eight maybe of me being in

254
00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,280
Speaker 1: town seven or eight something, and you know, Laurie McKenna,

255
00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,079
Speaker 1: it's like that's like years of building up to try

256
00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,280
Speaker 1: and get in a room with Laurie McKenna, and I

257
00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,200
Speaker 1: finally got the green light and I went up to

258
00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,760
Speaker 1: Boston and I wrote We wrote Happy People was the

259
00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,880
Speaker 1: first song we ever wrote. And I was literally sitting

260
00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,320
Speaker 1: in the Boston airport about to like fly back to Nashville,

261
00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,040
Speaker 1: just texting my plugger, Hey, here's what we wrote. YadA YadA.

262
00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,520
Speaker 1: She was like, I'm going to send this to Karen

263
00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,240
Speaker 1: Fairchild and she like texted it to her, emailed whatever,

264
00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,160
Speaker 1: and within like an hour she texted me back was like, hey,

265
00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,960
Speaker 1: Karen wants to hold this for the sand same trips.

266
00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm not even home yet, and I was like what dang,

267
00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,240
Speaker 1: and so um, you know they played it. I guess

268
00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,280
Speaker 1: everyone liked it. Next thing you know, they're cutting it.

269
00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,520
Speaker 1: Next thing you know is your first get that call

270
00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,840
Speaker 1: they're cutting the song or do you know afterward? I

271
00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,679
Speaker 1: knew they were holding it, but you didn't know they

272
00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,280
Speaker 1: had cut it yet. I didn't know they were holding it.

273
00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,400
Speaker 1: And you want to know what's so funny about this story,

274
00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,560
Speaker 1: and just to like give some perspective, I was still like,

275
00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,560
Speaker 1: you get great news like that, And I was like,

276
00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,400
Speaker 1: so broke and busted, Like my flight got canceled and

277
00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,600
Speaker 1: I literally couldn't afford a hotel in Boston, so I

278
00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,720
Speaker 1: slept in the airport. Then what is position things? What

279
00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,079
Speaker 1: a juxtaposition? You're like, hey, major artists, Yes, they want

280
00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,280
Speaker 1: your song and they love it. Also, yeah, you got

281
00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,400
Speaker 1: no money for Super eight. Yeah you can't stay well

282
00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,000
Speaker 1: in Boston downtown Boston. It's like two hundred bucks or whatever.

283
00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,760
Speaker 1: But still it's like I remember, like couldn't even barely

284
00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,720
Speaker 1: eat a meal because I was like probably had like

285
00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,520
Speaker 1: a few hundred bucks in my account at that time.

286
00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,520
Speaker 1: But it's the insane thing about this business where it's

287
00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,520
Speaker 1: like the highs and the lows, you know, but um

288
00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,480
Speaker 1: and the dream that feeds you even when you're not

289
00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,720
Speaker 1: really eating real food. Yes, like that was it for

290
00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,560
Speaker 1: me for such a long time, where I just had

291
00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,240
Speaker 1: the idea that one day it wasn't going to be

292
00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,920
Speaker 1: like this, and because I had that hope in that dream,

293
00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,680
Speaker 1: yeah it was Okay, it sucks now, but I just

294
00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,120
Speaker 1: gotta keep fighting. Yes, And without that, I don't think

295
00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,720
Speaker 1: I could have done it. Yeah, without there being a hope,

296
00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,160
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have been able to last

297
00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,320
Speaker 1: like I did. Yea, that was my nourishment A lot

298
00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,280
Speaker 1: of times was what possibly could be. Yeah, and I

299
00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:26,920
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of that to be said about

300
00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,840
Speaker 1: this story too. Yeah. I like to say, like we're

301
00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,040
Speaker 1: kind of like negligent optimists, you know what I mean.

302
00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,280
Speaker 1: We take foolish risks sometimes, but every once in a

303
00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,840
Speaker 1: while something pays off really big. You sleep in the airport,

304
00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,360
Speaker 1: you go home, use rubb with Dorian McKinnon. You're broke,

305
00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,440
Speaker 1: but you're things are happening in a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.

306
00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,520
Speaker 1: So whenever a little big town has your song and

307
00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,720
Speaker 1: they say they're key, will you get any any better

308
00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,560
Speaker 1: rights just because an artist is holding a song or

309
00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,000
Speaker 1: is that mostly after they cut it? Or like when

310
00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,840
Speaker 1: does the reputation st a little bit where people want

311
00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,160
Speaker 1: to get you in a room? I feel like it

312
00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,440
Speaker 1: starts there, you know, like Lorie being able to see

313
00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,160
Speaker 1: my name on a song with Lori and like a

314
00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,200
Speaker 1: hold and a little big towns cutting it and stuff,

315
00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, like that all kind of really helps. I

316
00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,480
Speaker 1: think get cracked the door open for me a little bit.

317
00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,760
Speaker 1: When did they tell you that they did they send

318
00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,240
Speaker 1: you the song before I came out on the record.

319
00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't think they did. I think that they posted

320
00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,960
Speaker 1: a clip of them singing it a cappella somewhere and

321
00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,320
Speaker 1: that was like the first moment. I was like, oh,

322
00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, chills, just like hearing their voices on it.

323
00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,760
Speaker 1: It was such a cool feeling and it was just

324
00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,880
Speaker 1: really exciting, you know, you think like everything's gonna change

325
00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,080
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah. I've had a few of those and

326
00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is huge chip and it does it,

327
00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,720
Speaker 1: but it's always something really small that is at the

328
00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,800
Speaker 1: time kind of inconsequential feeling. Yeah, that are the big things. Yeah,

329
00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,840
Speaker 1: that actually do pivot into stuff. So you have the

330
00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,600
Speaker 1: relationship with Loria the Rush a little big town, but

331
00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,760
Speaker 1: at the same time you're working on this record that

332
00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,400
Speaker 1: you're paying for yourself. Yeah. Yeah. So you say it

333
00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:05,680
Speaker 1: took a year and a half. Is that because you

334
00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,840
Speaker 1: would save up and get a track done or how

335
00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,480
Speaker 1: was that process? I would do like five songs I

336
00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,720
Speaker 1: think a session, and you know, we'd like work on that.

337
00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,840
Speaker 1: And I didn't really have a team at this point either,

338
00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,400
Speaker 1: so it was like me and my producer Jake and

339
00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,360
Speaker 1: my publisher Emily Schiraldi Firman at Carnival, and it was

340
00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,040
Speaker 1: kind of like the three of us just like holing

341
00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,520
Speaker 1: up in the office like what should we do? I

342
00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,760
Speaker 1: don't know, Yoda yoda, And you know, we'd kind of

343
00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,200
Speaker 1: work on the record a little bit. Frank Ladell at

344
00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,760
Speaker 1: Carnival he produces Miranda Lambert or he had done a

345
00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,200
Speaker 1: few records on Hurley and Walmack. He was kind of

346
00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,440
Speaker 1: like grandfathering us a little bit and like coaching us

347
00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,800
Speaker 1: through it and telling us, you know, like what he

348
00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,520
Speaker 1: honestly was just really supportive and kind of like fed

349
00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,080
Speaker 1: us to keep going and whatnot, because we had no

350
00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,600
Speaker 1: idea what we were doing. I'd never produced a record,

351
00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,400
Speaker 1: My producer had never produced a record. We just like

352
00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,720
Speaker 1: we're following our gut with it all, you know, and

353
00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,119
Speaker 1: making trying to make music that we liked, that we

354
00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,159
Speaker 1: would want to listen to. And for me, it was

355
00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,359
Speaker 1: the mentality of like I've been here ten years, like

356
00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,640
Speaker 1: this may be it for me, So let's just make

357
00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,200
Speaker 1: something that if this is the last thing I get

358
00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,399
Speaker 1: to make here, we love it and we can go

359
00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,600
Speaker 1: home and like I can tell my kids about it

360
00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,960
Speaker 1: some day or something. You know, unless you fail doing

361
00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,800
Speaker 1: what you wanted to do. There have been times when

362
00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,560
Speaker 1: I failed doing something other people have say why don't

363
00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,200
Speaker 1: you do this, and I'm like, you know what, okay,

364
00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,200
Speaker 1: and then you bam them out and you're like, god, dang,

365
00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,680
Speaker 1: I'd rather failed doing what I wanted to do, So

366
00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,360
Speaker 1: I didn't have all these thoughts that would like yeah,

367
00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,040
Speaker 1: and so that was that was your idea of Okay,

368
00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,520
Speaker 1: we may go down, dang it, but we're gonna do

369
00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,960
Speaker 1: something that really feels true to me and what we're doing,

370
00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,520
Speaker 1: because if it fails, at least we fail to honestly Yeah, yeah,

371
00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,239
Speaker 1: and you can hang your hat on that, you know.

372
00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,959
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of what we did. And it

373
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,639
Speaker 1: was a year and a half of just like holding

374
00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,359
Speaker 1: up in my engineer's studio in Germantown, and you know,

375
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,800
Speaker 1: we'd just stay up late into the night, drink bourbon

376
00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,639
Speaker 1: and talk about we're just so buzzy on songs and

377
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,320
Speaker 1: energy and excitement and fun. You know. It was like

378
00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,200
Speaker 1: one of the most fruitful years for me because I'd

379
00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,720
Speaker 1: been so brokenhearted by the industry, you know, and so

380
00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,320
Speaker 1: this was like kind of me getting a little bit

381
00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,200
Speaker 1: of like I tuned out so much of the town

382
00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,400
Speaker 1: and just kind of went in and was like finding

383
00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,360
Speaker 1: it all again. Is there an impatience as you guys

384
00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,040
Speaker 1: were creating the songs that would be the record and

385
00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,200
Speaker 1: you're doing them in batches? Was it ever like, you know, what,

386
00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,240
Speaker 1: screw it, let's just put these five out, like I

387
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,760
Speaker 1: just want to get something out. Did you have to

388
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,760
Speaker 1: battle that or did you really have the patience to go,

389
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna finish this whole thing and we're gonna put

390
00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,679
Speaker 1: it out as the project is because my patience isn't good. Yeah,

391
00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, didn't let's go and get it

392
00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,440
Speaker 1: out there. How was that process for you? I it's

393
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,760
Speaker 1: funny that you say that, because I have never thought

394
00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,879
Speaker 1: about that. But I was just like, it was a

395
00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,760
Speaker 1: record in my mind, and it wasn't done until everything

396
00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,680
Speaker 1: was complete. I mean, shoot, I think that I went

397
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,359
Speaker 1: up to right with Lorie again and I wrote what

398
00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,119
Speaker 1: ended up being like one of the title track of

399
00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,840
Speaker 1: the record. So we've gone in and made that session,

400
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, and then I went up with her and

401
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,240
Speaker 1: I wrote a few more songs. So it wasn't you know,

402
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,840
Speaker 1: it was a work in progress the whole way until

403
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,840
Speaker 1: it felt complete to us, and then we didn't have

404
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,480
Speaker 1: a team, so then we're like, okay, now what do

405
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,560
Speaker 1: we do with it? You know, you put out other

406
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,400
Speaker 1: songs from that record, like a deluxe version, right because

407
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,879
Speaker 1: you did the record that you've added songs. Was it

408
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,480
Speaker 1: different to do those songs that were added because the

409
00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,879
Speaker 1: record was at least critically acclaimed and depending on I mean,

410
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,280
Speaker 1: I like the record, and a lot of people like

411
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 1: the record, but I don't. I don't know it's reach

412
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,440
Speaker 1: out because I wasn't watching any of your Psycho about

413
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 1: you just so was it easier to find the money

414
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,959
Speaker 1: to do those tracks because of the success of the

415
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 1: original record? Yeah? I think so, And I'm trying to like, remember,

416
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,399
Speaker 1: I think on the deluxe is when Big Loud I

417
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 1: was signing my deal too, so then they were a

418
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,159
Speaker 1: part of that. So I wasn't like saving all my

419
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 1: waitressing tips anymore. You know. It was like they were

420
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,399
Speaker 1: helping float me and giving me the freedom to be

421
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 1: able to create han Ty, the Bobby Cast will be

422
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,439
Speaker 1: right back. Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

423
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,200
Speaker 1: Was there any part of that record that whomever signed

424
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 1: you over at Big Loud, Like, I don't know which

425
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 1: of the guys. Yeah, which are the people over there

426
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 1: were instrumental and hey, that's awesome, let's get her. Was

427
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 1: there a song or two that they brought up like

428
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 1: really resonated with them. They were like, when we listen

429
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 1: to this, this song shows us who you are. Do

430
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 1: you remember? I remember like Seth got super jacked on

431
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 1: Filling my Cup when he heard Feeling my Cup. He

432
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 1: was like, this is the sound you know? That was

433
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 1: like we'd put fiddle on it. It kind of has

434
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 1: that throwback like you know, um and and he was

435
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 1: just like he lit up on that song. And yeah,

436
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: it's been really cool, you know, to see the whole

437
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: thing with them, and Nicole Gallants a part of it too,

438
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: with songs and daughters, and she's someone I've written with

439
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: for a very long time, so she knows me very

440
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 1: well creatively. But I feel very fortunate. I think having

441
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: been here for so long, I was always so like

442
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 1: gun shy about record labels because I've seen so many

443
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: friends just get crushed, you know what I drop, Yeah,

444
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 1: just it not work. Yeah, So it was very important

445
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 1: for me. One of the perks of having been around

446
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 1: the block of this town a few times. Very important

447
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 1: for me to find someone that just like got it,

448
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I felt that Seth and Nicole and

449
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: the team there, they really got it. And they've been

450
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: really cool about letting me do my thing. You know,

451
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: when you play shows now and if you when you

452
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: play the single, do you hear people sing back to you, Yeah,

453
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 1: it's last night. It was so freaking nuts. It's so

454
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,239
Speaker 1: bizarre as someone who's been here for freaking ever, you know,

455
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: put out multiple records to be able to see the

456
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: difference with this one song. It's just nuts, and it's

457
00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: nuts at thirty, oh god, twenty, it's a it's a

458
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: different level ten. I mean, you're gonna have so many

459
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: people that finger quotes believed believed in you from the beginning.

460
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: Like that's the best. That's the best part about it

461
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 1: is that so many people now, Hayley, You're gonna be like,

462
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 1: we knew it. We knew it when we first we

463
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: first moved to town. You're like, well, if you knew it,

464
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: why don't you call me? Yeah? Seriously, I was so

465
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 1: when you moved to town there you were if some

466
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: of the stuff, I'm just gonna go from memory of

467
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: ye speaking with you, uh teenager when you moved here.

468
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: I was seventeen. That's why teenagers seems because you weren't.

469
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: But you went to school here though, right I came here. Yeah,

470
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm moving here no matter what.

471
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: And my mom kind of panic mode, oldest to leave

472
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: the nest, like she found Belmont. She was like, please

473
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 1: go to school. So it was kind of like my

474
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: safety net, you know. But if you're seventeen when you

475
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: move here, because you even go to school right when

476
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: you moved here. Yeah, I was like one of I

477
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: was one of those weird kids where it was like

478
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: school starts in August. I'm eighteen in September, you know.

479
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: Um so, yeah, i'd lived there. I lived on campus.

480
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: I didn't have a call, are you know. I walked

481
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: down a broadway, walked into Tootsie's, was like, can I

482
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: get a gig? You know that whole thing. How did

483
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: you find Nashville though? In general, because that your town

484
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: in Iowa. Not big, No, So it was Nashville a

485
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: bit because for me, this is the biggest city of

486
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: ever I've been. I'm in big cities a lot now,

487
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: but I'm from Mountain Pine, Arkasas. I never lived in

488
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: a city this big yeah, like Austin, Nashville, same size,

489
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: And when I would get to I'd be like, dany,

490
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: this is huge. H But then my friends would come

491
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 1: here from bigger they were like, oh, what a tiny town.

492
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you guys don't know what it's like

493
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: growing up in a small town. Was there that for

494
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: you when you first moved here? Like holy crab, tall building? Yeah,

495
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: sports team? Oh yeah. I felt like such a city girl. Yeah,

496
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: you know, like q sex in the city. I was like,

497
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: I am just a huge city girl now. But yeah,

498
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: because this was the biggest city i'd been to too.

499
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: What'd your parents think about you moving to a big city?

500
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: I think they were a little scared for me, but

501
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: I think they were excited for me, you know, and

502
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: could they've been nothing but like encouraging and go get

503
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: it and go do it and Whatnotum Apparently my mom

504
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: like locked herself in her bedroom for a week because

505
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm the oldest six like moving

506
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: nine hours away. I didn't know a single soul, you know,

507
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: so I think, um, you know, I like to think

508
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: she missed me. But yeah, it was a big deal

509
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: for me, and I found it because she had she knew.

510
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: I was so determined to do something here and I

511
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: just didn't know how. You know, probably same with Arkansas.

512
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: It's like there's no music scene. There's nobody that's done

513
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: in there's no blueprint. People where I grew up worked

514
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: as mill Yeah, and so that's what I knew. So

515
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: people most people left school they did in your town.

516
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: What did most kids do when they graduated? Um, you know,

517
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: either went into like a trade school, started work over

518
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: their dad or um, you know, some kids would go

519
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: to like Iowa or Iowa State or something. And so

520
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: you move here and you're going to school. What did

521
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: you think about Belmont as a school freshman year? Big?

522
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: Did you think? Were you like whoa? Also these kids

523
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: are really talented? Yeah, because you're so scared because again

524
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm like little kind kid, you know, I didn't come

525
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: from a musical family like, so I just totally it

526
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: was just like oh my gosh, you know, like everyone

527
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: here is so good, and you know there's the whole

528
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: like Belmonte culture and the stars and all that. So yeah,

529
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean this Nashville was like my crash course and

530
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: like country music and honky tonk education, you know, going

531
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: down playing bars learned very quickly. It's a songwriter town book,

532
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: a gig at Richard's Cafe, which ironically is where I

533
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: went back in twelve years later, asking for a job,

534
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: but just feeling my way through the dark with it all,

535
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: trying to meet as many people as possible, trying to

536
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: co write immediately, just to build my network and get

537
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: to know people. What were you doing playing in Iowa?

538
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: If you're fourteen fifteen you love music? Where were you

539
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: playing the year or two years or however long to

540
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: actually know that you love to do it and you

541
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: wanted to move and pursue it. I mean, gosh, like

542
00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: flatbed trailers at birthday parties and graduation anywhere? You just anywhere?

543
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: Like did you start? Where do you get your first guitar?

544
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: My first guitar? My mom got me. She signed me

545
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: up for some good like guitar center, I think in

546
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: Cedar Rapids. She signed me up for some guitar lessons.

547
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: I started playing guitar, learning a few chords. I always

548
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: loved writing, and I always knew I wanted to write

549
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: my songs, So I started writing silly little songs. And

550
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: then she actually brought me down here when I was

551
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: like fifteen, and that was like the moment I think

552
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: that I got to see it, and then there was

553
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: no turning back. You know, when you left, you just knew.

554
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: Did you talk about it a lot? Like? Oh? Probably?

555
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: I think I was like so pumped and just I'm

556
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: moving to Nashville, YadA, YadA. You know that's so cute.

557
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: Did you think let's just talk at the trip down?

558
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: Do you drive or fly? Drug drove with my family.

559
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: My family all loaded up the truck. All my siblings

560
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: came down, and you know, I'm like, all your siblings

561
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 1: came down. Five huh yeah. Dad brought the truck. Everyone

562
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: he liked to. I mean, he'd throw us all in

563
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: the back of the truck, put a topper on it,

564
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,239
Speaker 1: and we don't just probably not the most safe, but

565
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: sometimes no top, you know, I mean. And so we

566
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: all drove down, and I was really it was bittersweet.

567
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: I was, I was so excited to be here, but

568
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: I've always been so sad to leave there. And so

569
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking, we're gonna have this really sweet,

570
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, emotional weekend. And they literally dropped me off

571
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: and we're like, all right, we'll see Thanksgiving and they

572
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: just turned around and drove back to Iowa. Were you

573
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: in a dorm? Yeah, so did you think on your

574
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: You're not going to be able to really remember this,

575
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: but maybe you can just kind of identify the feeling.

576
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: But as you were on your way down and were

577
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: you like I'm going to Nashville breaking gonna make it,

578
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: or like I'm going to Nashville, I don't know what's

579
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but I'm gonna try. Like what was that?

580
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna make it, you know. I

581
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: think I was just like so, I didn't know how,

582
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know when, but I just had this feeling

583
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: like this is what I'm doing, you know, and I'm

584
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: there's never been a plan B. It wasn't until you know,

585
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: a decade in that I really started to think for

586
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: the first time ever, like what if this doesn't work?

587
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: What else are you going to do? You know? Um,

588
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: did you finish school at Belmont? But did oh good

589
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: for you? Yeah? And were you playing You say you

590
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: went to Tousie Where did you go very first and go, hey,

591
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: can I like audition or where was the first time

592
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: you played a show in Nashville's Yeah, I mean I

593
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: went down to like the open mic and asked. But

594
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: then the other place was Richards and then another early

595
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: one was um gosh, I don't even think it exists anymore.

596
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: It was like kind of behind Saco over in Vandy.

597
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: I think it was called like cat. It was like

598
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: a oyster bar or something, which sounds so weird in Nashville,

599
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was like this little basement dive bar.

600
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: You walked down and the guy would have writers nights there.

601
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: And I remember seeing Ruthie Collins. She was in a

602
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: band at the time, she was in a duo, and

603
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: I just like watched that show and then I went

604
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: and asked the guy, the sound guy, like how can

605
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: I play here? The commodore was really big. I remember

606
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: when were you playing a bunch of covers mostly after

607
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: are people there? Or were you playing your own music?

608
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: Those riders nights were totally my own music. What about

609
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: like a tutsis tutsis covers? You know, did you have

610
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: to learn a lot of covers or did you learn

611
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: some but then put like the phone up and play

612
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: the chords of people? Asked that was that was like

613
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: some old day stuff, you know, like I knew a

614
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: lot of songs from playing the bars back home, so

615
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: I knew a lot of covers, you know, and then

616
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: they have the house band there, so I'd jump up

617
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: sing SuDS in the bucket, uh, you know, Heads Carolina

618
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: things like that. Um, you know, some days I'd to

619
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: wake up and I'm still trying to go to school too,

620
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: and sometimes they call and they're like, hey, we need

621
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: you down in like ten minutes. Can you get down here,

622
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: and you know, stitching class to like go play, yeah,

623
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like playing. I'd go do like a four

624
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: There was some days that I would play like a

625
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: four hour shift. Me and I gets are at the

626
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: airport and then I would go straight down to Broadway

627
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: and I'd play Rippies from like you know, two to six.

628
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: So it's like we're in the airport. Um, it doesn't

629
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: really exist anymore. But there's like two Tootsies. There's the

630
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: one that's cool and in there, and then there was

631
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: one that was like on your way to baggage claim,

632
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: and I was the one on the way to baggage claim.

633
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: So you're playing these places you're going to school. How

634
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: about your grades? Oh see, CB, did you feel like

635
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: because I was working full time and going to school

636
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: two and there were times where I felt underwater. Yeah,

637
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: did you feel that way? Did you ever feel like, hey,

638
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm a after quit school. I never felt that way.

639
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean I did enough to like get to pass

640
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: and to make good grades, you know, But in my mind,

641
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: it was like I was out hustling music, row in

642
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: the honky tonks and trying to work and you know,

643
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: make music and get noticed and get discovered. How'd you

644
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: get your publishing deal? Um I had graduated. I was

645
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: like a year after I'd graduated, and I made a

646
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: little EP and you know, I had a few contacts

647
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: passing it out whennot I was at an ASCAP and

648
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: they had a GPS program that would like hook you

649
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: up with a publisher every month and you would get

650
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: to go in and have sessions. And I'm reconnected with Emily,

651
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: who I'd known from running around in circles and stuff

652
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: like that, and she I was her first signing at Carnival.

653
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: Well yeah, she was like, I want you to be

654
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: my first signing here, and so, you know, for both

655
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: of us it was brand spanking new. We don't know

656
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: what we're doing, but we're figuring out together. We believe

657
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: in each other and and I was with her for

658
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: eight years. Was there anyone that you kind of showed

659
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: up to town around the same time and or maybe

660
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: a few people that you saw actually make it and

661
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, dang, they are good, but I'm good too.

662
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: I was like, so, I mean, I don't know if

663
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: I had that approach. Everyone was just like so much

664
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: better than me in my mind. So it wasn't like

665
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: I was like bitter or like, you know whatever. But

666
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: I mean Casey Musgras like slept on my couch a

667
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: few times. Marin. I remember when Marion got to town.

668
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: I was probably like five years in at that point

669
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: and she I just remember watching her blow up, you know.

670
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: And um, I went to school with like Ryan hurd Um,

671
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: what do you think? I think he was like a

672
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: year older than me maybe, but yeah, same time. What

673
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: do you what do you credit And I know what

674
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: your answer is going to be, but I'm just walking

675
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: back to it. What do you credit their success too?

676
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: Especially early? I think they were so good they had

677
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: been doing it since they were so much younger. I

678
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: didn't have like those resources, I don't think growing up,

679
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I just didn't know Um,

680
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: they kind of had the Texas thing where it was

681
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: like it sounds like they were tour in Texas and

682
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: making records and whatnot. I didn't have that, and I

683
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: think that that really helped them know who they were

684
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: so early. They both did know who they were, very

685
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: knew who they were. Yeah, you know, they showed up

686
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: knowing who they were, and they were really great songwriters. Yes, which,

687
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: like you said, this is a songwriter town, which I

688
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people know because it's just hey, Nashville,

689
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: can you sing? Go make it really hard to sing

690
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: if you can't actually sing your own store your own words,

691
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of being luke and sing. Yeah,

692
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who can write really good songs,

693
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: but there's a few they can write really good songs

694
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: and freaking sing them. Yeah. And if you can do that, yeah,

695
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: Like that's where it is. You're playing these shows, you're working,

696
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: you're going to school, you graduate. Do you think, okay, well,

697
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 1: it's about to get easier now because now I can

698
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: focus fully on music. And was it easier? Well? I

699
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: had sort of a unique situation, I guess, because I

700
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: actually I actually graduated a month after a month later

701
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: than I was supposed to because my brother died, So

702
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: that kind of threw a whole you know, left turn

703
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: into my plan. So those years after I freshly graduated,

704
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: it was pretty dark for me, you know. I mean

705
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't focused on music. I was still writing. I

706
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: remember getting like the first email from someone in the industry,

707
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: Bonnie Baker emailed me, and it was really sweet and kind,

708
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: and it made me think like I should keep doing this,

709
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, someone checked in on me and thout going

710
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: home to stay. I did go home for a minute.

711
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: I went home for like his funeral, and then a

712
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: whole month or two months after that, my whole entire

713
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: family just kind of like packed up the RV and

714
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: went driving out west. So once we got back from

715
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: that trip, though, I was like, I need to go back.

716
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep working graduate all that, So I did that.

717
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, I think coming out of that period,

718
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't really know when I was. I was still writing,

719
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: still working, probably not as much, but I don't know

720
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: when I really started hitting the ground running. After that.

721
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: It just kind of gradually started happening again, probably when

722
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: I started making that next DP and trying to land

723
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: a publishing deal because I was nannying at the time

724
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: and waiting table still and and then I made that

725
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 1: EP and I got my pub deal like an hour

726
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: or an hour. That's quick story. Yes, let's do a

727
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: tornado check, Mike. How are we doing? We're good? Okay?

728
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Is there anything tornado? Becauld? Say? Even? If so, I'm

729
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: gonna call Kate. Like as you driving to Memphis, they

730
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: just said nothing spicy on the radar as of this minute.

731
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: Who said nothing spicy? And why am I trusting them

732
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: if they're calling the weather weather? Okay? And like to Memphis.

733
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: If there's only a Memphis account, I can find one.

734
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: Take a look see if you don't mind. Is your

735
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: car on the shop? Uh? No, it's that it's in

736
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: your's right, Yeah, was it in the shop? I was

737
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: gonna take it, but I don't have time. No, that's

738
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: a time. That's a thing. You should have time. That's

739
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: a priority thing. I know. I'm gonna take it tomorrow,

740
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: I think. But what's wrong? Why are you driving? What's

741
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: wrong with it? Just needs an oil change? Oh that's it?

742
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, my god, okay, yeah, no, no, no, no,

743
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm not like missing a bumper or anything. Well even work. Okay,

744
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: so your car everything's good. I'm good. Okay. Um, who

745
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: taught you how to drive? Back home? Well? I didn't

746
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: drive like a shift or anything, my dad. No, I didn't.

747
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: My dad taught me how to drive a shift later. Um,

748
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: but I drove a truck and he taught me how

749
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: to drive. And he was like the scariest teacher. He

750
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: taught me how to read. He taught me how to

751
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: drive because he's like one of those guys. It's like

752
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: you want to learn how to swim. Boom, push you

753
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: in the deep in starts swimming, you know what I mean.

754
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: So um, and he's very impatient. So you start just

755
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: like making moves you know. Um, you didn't drive it,

756
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: you'd have to throw a stick like early on. No

757
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: I didn't. No, I didn't. Um, I am assigning a

758
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: biased that I shouldn't be doing. I would love to.

759
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean I tried. He went and gave me a

760
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: crash course in the field and whatnot, and it was

761
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: very painful. You have a shut corn getting so mad?

762
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah okay, yeah I've done that too. But yeah,

763
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: if you just had no one that I've been like,

764
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: you're not from my one. Get right here, Yeah, that's

765
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: all the story. So did you ever get close, meaning

766
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: you're in town, you're working, you're writing, you're singing. Did

767
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: you ever get close to like landing something and it

768
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: just didn't quite happen? Um, like the first time you

769
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: had your heart broken by this town where you're like

770
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: godly like that, oh so close? I mean, I think

771
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: it was kind of like the cuts, you know, when

772
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: people are putting things on hold, or when it was

773
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: like you were starting to have some like label meetings

774
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: and stuff. The showcases. Man, those things are so intense

775
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: because it's like you get so worked up. Everyone's coming out,

776
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: they're watching you. And I don't even know if those

777
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: happen anymore with TikTok, But like back in the day,

778
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: it was like this is your moment and press us

779
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: and that was always really painful. They talked funny, it

780
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,479
Speaker 1: sounds like they did. Yeah, that's how I'd be working.

781
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: But you know, stuff like that. I'm sure there's been

782
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: I feel like mine has. Mine was just like a nice, slow,

783
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: gradual heartbreak, you know, of things not working out. I

784
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: think so probably you know, it wasn't like there was

785
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: one big moment that just kind of like, you know,

786
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: screwed me up and then I quit. It was it

787
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: was like kind of just like a low, a slow

788
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: grind And then yeah, so did you have any label

789
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: heads or meetings that you would meet with and they

790
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: would be like, man, you got something good, we just

791
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. We can't do anything with

792
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: you all the time because I only asked that because

793
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: what what's making you different now also made you different then,

794
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: But I think people are now realizing the value of

795
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: it now. Yeah, because then, like you there there are

796
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: parts of you that are very traditional, there are parts

797
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: of you that aren't. But depending how you're viewed by

798
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: the individual, they could go while she's way too traditional

799
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: for what we're doing, or it could be the other way,

800
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: like she look tritional butter So I just I would

801
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: imagine there were times where people just know what to

802
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: do with you, because you're obviously awesome, but they were like,

803
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: we just we don't know, we don't know what to do. Yeah, yeah,

804
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: I think like all the time, did you reconsider your

805
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: style or yeah I did. There was like a phase

806
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: that I did and it was awful, and I was like,

807
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: I'm never we had we made cut some things, and

808
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: I had our first meeting and I had to play

809
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: it for a friend in the business, and I was like,

810
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna play these songs to anybody again. I

811
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: don't like this stuff, you know what I mean. But yeah,

812
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: it was weird because everyone always told me I was

813
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: too Americana to Americana. I was Texas country. I wasn't,

814
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, commercial, and at that time it was very pop.

815
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: Commercial was very pop. So I felt like fish out

816
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: of water, Like I grew up on Alan Jackson and

817
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: Trishia Yearwood and stuff like that. So I didn't know

818
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: what to do with that. But yeah, I mean, it's

819
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: interesting how music is just so cyclical because now it's

820
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: like countries back and Americana's country and America Americana is

821
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: the most country thing period anyway. Yeah, Like honestly like that.

822
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: People say, oh, they do Americana, but that to me,

823
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: there's nothing country or than Americana music. Yeah, is the

824
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: weird thing about that. Yeah, And so I was with

825
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: Lucas Nelson a few weeks ago, who's awesome, Like just

826
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: by the way, I liked his music, but until I

827
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: heard him play a live like I liked his music.

828
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: Now I freaking love I love what he does. After

829
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: watching that guy sing, and he's also the nicest guy,

830
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: and you know, you'll classify him as like americana. Yeah,

831
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like that dude's just a country music artist. Yeah,

832
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: like straight up just a country music artist. Yeah. And

833
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: so the Americana label, I feel gets tossed around a

834
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: little unfairly, yeah, because it's just people that don't know

835
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: what to do with it. Yeah, and that's what it is, Like,

836
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: it's really good, but we don't know what to do

837
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: with it because we're scared to take a commercial risk

838
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: on it. So we're gonna assign you the category of Americana. Yeah,

839
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: Like Isabel would go to the whole list of people

840
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: that there's nobody more country, and had they arrived at

841
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: a different time now or three years prior or, they

842
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: would have just been country. Yeah, but because of the time.

843
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: And they say, I remember just seeing you like your style,

844
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, before I even heard you,

845
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: I was like very traditional, but then I heard you

846
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh yea, yeah, you're traitional, but

847
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: there are some really progressive elements here at the same time. Yeah,

848
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast. We'll be right back. Welcome back to

849
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast. So whenever you meet with Seth at

850
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: Big Loud, did they say, look, this is you're doing

851
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: what we want and so let's keep doing that, but

852
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: let's find a way, Like we'll find a way to what?

853
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: Like what do they how do they grow you an artist?

854
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: Because you knew you were too. We talked about Marion

855
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: just you just did it here? Yeah, like you found

856
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: it here? Yeah? What do they say about your future

857
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: and your progression whenever you finally sign a deal? You know,

858
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: they honestly didn't say much. I was like really caught

859
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: off guard by how much they were, like, go, do

860
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: you really? Because I was like expecting to come in

861
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: and get changed and shifted a little bit, you know,

862
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: and YadA YadA. But like from the beginning they were like, no,

863
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: we are into this, you know what I mean? Just

864
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: keep doing you, keep being you. So I feel very

865
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: lucky in that respect. You're doing some big tours, You're

866
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: getting to post some really good people. I was looking

867
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: before I came over here. Did you have you done

868
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: this Shania stuff yet? Or is that coming up? It's

869
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: coming up in May. That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, it's

870
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: so cool. Excited about that. Yeah, I'm very excited about it.

871
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm like so nervous. I was doing an interview today

872
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: and he was like, how's it going to feel to

873
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: play stadiums? And I was like, what, I don't think

874
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: it really hit me yet. You know what I mean,

875
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna be big. Have you spoken to her yet

876
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: at all? Never matter, it's gonna be So I have

877
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: a friend I'm gonna pull some details so it never

878
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: gets tracked back to them, and we'll say he he

879
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: was opening for an artist, big artist, Shani alike, but

880
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: not Garth. People think it's going and uh, this friend

881
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: goes back and he had it. He'd played multiple shows

882
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: and still hadn't met the headliner really, which I thought

883
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: was weird too. And so he played multiple shows. I'll

884
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: tell you off there the whole real story about I'm

885
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: gonna give you the ju up. And now he played

886
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: multiple shows and like the ninth show headliners says, hey,

887
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: I want to go. I want to meet him, and

888
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: he's like, oh great. So he goes in and meets

889
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: him and he takes a acoustic guitar and he said, hey,

890
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: I haven't get to me. Yet you're my hero, You're

891
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: one of my heroes. I'm so grateful to you bring

892
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: me on this tour. You know, I just want you

893
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: to know that that you've really influenced the music. And

894
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, I've done that to a lot of people. Whoa, whoa,

895
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, then what did you come sign the guitargoes? No.

896
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: I said, well, thank you for having me and left

897
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: and he didn't go back again. Oh my god, he

898
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: didn't play any more shows. He didn't know. He didn't

899
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: go back to meet him again. He played shows, but

900
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: he just like played the shows and left. And by

901
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: the way, he yeah, okay, and I'll tell you the

902
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: whole day because it's okay, it's hilarious. Oh my god.

903
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: But I know that Shania is not like that is

904
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: why I tell the story good because yeah, good, that

905
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: would tear, that would crush me. I know it suck

906
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: now though it's harder to be a jerk, I think

907
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: just because the way that information is distributed quickly and

908
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: in so many places. Yeah, that will be tough if

909
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: or today. But Shanaya, I've met her a few times.

910
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: I have people that have that she's lovely, so lovely.

911
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: So that's super cool. What do your parents think about that?

912
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: When you go I'm gonna go do shows with Shanaya.

913
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: They're so stoked. I mean, like I grew up like

914
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: on those records. I have a video of me singing

915
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: in my underwear like any man of mine, just belting

916
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: it out. You know. Um, that's like a record I

917
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: just remember being played all the time in my house.

918
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, Dad always thought Shania was hot, so I'm

919
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: sure he's stoked. Your dad also talks funny. They are

920
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: like some like Screech meets Yeah, some kind of weird.

921
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: I'll be an impersonator when this when my single crashes.

922
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You don't, You're not you can't

923
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: be an impersonator. They're terrible impressions. But I appreciate it.

924
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Well, yeah they could. Yeah. Um, so are

925
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: you doing stuff? They're at church? Yeah, what is that?

926
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do some shows with him. I think

927
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: in September we're doing the Gorge Jelly rolls on that show,

928
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: and then I'm doing another Weekend with him and Paul Coffin.

929
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: Are you doing festivals? I'm doing a lot of festivals

930
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: this year, and I'm gonna do, you know. So I'm

931
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: doing the Schnaia Tour. I'm doing some dates on the

932
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: Eric Tour. You know, everyone kind of doing that thing

933
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: where they're rotating openers. So I have some dates there,

934
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: some dates there, some dates with Luke Brian and the Fall,

935
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: and then I'm doing a lot of festival stuff. We

936
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: interrupt this interview to bring you a message from our sponsor.

937
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: This is the Bobby Cast. Are you doing any of

938
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: your shows where you're like, let's see if anybody comes,

939
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: how many fans I have? I mean, that's basically right.

940
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's the test too. And anytime I put

941
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: tickets on sale, because I'll do theaters and I'll do

942
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: set specific seats, I am so neurotic and I get

943
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: so nervous that nobody likes me every single time. It's scary, man.

944
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: So are you doing your own shows where it's like

945
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: please sell? Yeah, we're starting that next week and um

946
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: we start. It's called the Raised Tour and it'll be

947
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, this record, the Raised Record and all that,

948
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: and I think we have like nine dates. But I'm

949
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: really stoked. I mean, it is scary and I've definitely

950
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: had the total flop ones, you know, but it's so

951
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: cool to do a show that's just you know, even

952
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: if it's freaking fifty people showing up, they know every

953
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: word to every song, and that's just like, those are

954
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: the moments you for thinking that, because I don't. I'm

955
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: not mature like that. If I go and it's not

956
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: sold out, I go, oh, I've mental mental breakdowns almost

957
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And if a show doesn't sell like

958
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: seventy percent the first weekend, I'm like, well, this sh'll

959
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: end up getting canceled. It is good for you, oh man,

960
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: good for you for enjoying it. If there are five

961
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 1: open seats and I see them, I'm like, they people

962
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: must have been sitting there and they left because they hated.

963
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's not. My brain's tragic. I live in

964
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: tragedy constantly. But good for you. You're gonna go play

965
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: these shows. The song is hopefully we'll be killing it.

966
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: It's doing great right now with momentum, which is amazing

967
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: to see and it's just so cool to see it. Like,

968
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: you're just an example for a lot of folks. And

969
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: I hate wh people tell me that sometimes because I

970
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: don't want to be the example. I want to be

971
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: the example of somebody just shows up and is super

972
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: talented and makes it. But there are a lot of

973
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: people who are super talented who showed up and then

974
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: he got sent back home too because they didn't have

975
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: the knowledge or the capacity to handle it once it

976
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: finally happened. And man, it is time. It's it's your

977
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: time to be a star. It's so cool. It is

978
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: thank you. It is your time to be a star.

979
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: So when you do the show's for like Shanaya or Eric,

980
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: that set is probably twenty minutes or so, I think. So, yeah,

981
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: when you do your shows, are you doing an hour?

982
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: We're doing like ninety Okay, I'm gonna do an hour.

983
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home after an hour, but I'm gonna

984
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna it's the rest of us gonna be good

985
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: like a capacity for like sixty minutes being a capacity

986
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: and then I'm out. Um so, and they can go

987
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: to your website and get tickets to your your tour. Well,

988
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: it is an exciting time for you. It is. It's

989
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: super cool. I mean, when when did you come on

990
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: anything with me? The first time I came on, was

991
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: it a year ago. Maybe actually everything she ain't had

992
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: maybe just come out when I came on the show,

993
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? And I brought fiddle player in

994
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: and Laurence Achs and um Ethan and we sat into

995
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: I don't think the record had come out because you

996
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: asked me about boys back Home or what my favorite

997
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: song wasn't we talked. I don't think it'd come out yet.

998
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: It does seems like forever ago, doesn't. It seems like

999
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: forever ago. Did I do a TikTok about you before

1000
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: I ever met you? Did? I? I did what like,

1001
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: I've been a fan and for let me, I'm not

1002
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna go back home my own TikTok. I just want

1003
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: to look at all my h streaming numbers, so tough, right,

1004
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: I did a TikTok about her. I was so interested

1005
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: in your story. This read who does all my like

1006
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: social media editing? He's like video a plus guy? And

1007
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: I was like, let's do ony on Haley Witters. And

1008
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: so we found all this stuff about you, and then

1009
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: we did one and I posted it and I was like,

1010
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: I never met that girl. That's oh my gosh, holy cow.

1011
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: Did was she the one that did you sing? Dixie.

1012
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: Was that her? No, maybe it wasn't her. Do you

1013
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: think Dixie checks like a high school something? Oh? I

1014
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: wrote a paper? Is that what it was? Trying to

1015
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: remember the things that we had said about her? It

1016
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: was like one of them. I think, like someone got

1017
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: sick or something, and I like stepped in. That's what

1018
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: it was in your paper. You had imagined that one

1019
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: of the chicks got sick, and you're which one can

1020
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: you stepped in and filled her off? That's funny. My

1021
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: point was all dying to know where that paper is.

1022
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: By the way, me too, because that would be awesome

1023
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: to see. My point is I've been a fan for

1024
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: a long time, even before we met each other. I

1025
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: was like, I'm so interested in like what she's about

1026
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: because I know and knew it wasn't easy to stay

1027
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: being about what you were about when people didn't quite

1028
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: get it yet, because that that ain't easy, and you

1029
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: can go, well, I'm as talented everybody else. I could

1030
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: change and just do what's accepted now. But he didn't

1031
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: do that, and like, sincerely, that's I'm super proud for

1032
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: you that it's now starting to happen. Well, thank you

1033
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: so much. And there's a lot of really great people

1034
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: in this town. I don't believe you have to show

1035
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: me so many great people. One of them and there's

1036
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: two other people in here, so that tells you one

1037
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: of the main great in here. I mean, there's been

1038
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: so many great people, and I'm inspired by so many

1039
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 1: of the paths. And Brandy Clark, I remember she's one.

1040
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: I remember when she was shopping and all that, and

1041
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: it was just like, how you know? And so I

1042
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: just I have a lot of good friends. Give a dog.

1043
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: I have two dog? What are they? An awesie? Who

1044
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: is awesome? I'm so codependent? Out of do you have dogs? Like?

1045
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: So codependent? And then I have a blue tick beagle mix. Boh,

1046
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: he doesn't really like that much. So did you get

1047
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: Bow from here or from home? Bo? We got from

1048
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: like Indiana. He was a foster pop. Yeah, we had

1049
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of I asked that because we had blue ticks,

1050
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: but we used him to hunt. Oh yeah, they're like

1051
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: they were either a bird dog or so if he's

1052
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: from Indiana was a blue That's that's just whrom my

1053
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: mind went. So, anyway, you got Bow, why were you

1054
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: in Indiana touring? No? We found it like the foster

1055
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: company or something was in Indiana, I don't know, and

1056
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: so we like went up there and got him. And

1057
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: then the Aussie we say were rescued her showed up

1058
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: in an Arby's parking lot in Cookeville and this woman

1059
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: just like handed her to us. So wait, I don't understand.

1060
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: You got to go into more, dear. It was Craigslist.

1061
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: It was a Craigslist find. You know. I was at

1062
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: my friend's baby shower and I was like, let's get

1063
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: a dog. We're not getting a kid, so let's get

1064
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: a dog. And we went on Craigslist and found Aussie's

1065
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: and we went and like drove to Cookeville to meet

1066
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: this person and they just like we thought it would

1067
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: be at the barn. They were like their she was

1068
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: raised on a farm, like would be with a mama

1069
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: at the barn and all that, and like literally the

1070
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: address takes us to an Rvy's parking lot and the

1071
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: woman gets out of the car with the one puppy

1072
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: and just like hands her to us and you just

1073
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: handle money and we just hand her cash, and we're like,

1074
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we got to take this dog now, you know.

1075
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: It's like we can't send her back right. So it

1076
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: was kind of sad because then we got home and

1077
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: she had flees too, So we say we rescued her. Yeah, no,

1078
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: that works. And anything off Craigslist was rescued no matter

1079
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: what it is. But it's couch, a human, yeah, a dog, anything?

1080
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: Is that any good part of town to be And

1081
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: it's in general, like you just need to know exactly

1082
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: where you're gonna go in those places and don't go

1083
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: anywhere else. Nope. I have two dogs. We have a

1084
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: husky mix, a husky and she's also a hound. Oh

1085
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: so we got her. She was like this big she

1086
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: was just pulled her off the street. She was so

1087
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: aggressive that they told us she would never be able

1088
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: to be with her other dog. He was like a

1089
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: year older. They were like, she's so aggressive, you can't

1090
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: keep her in the same house. And we had aggression

1091
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: specialists come here and work with us because it's about

1092
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: us being able to be consistent with the dog. And

1093
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: the aggression special is like, she's so she was on

1094
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: the street so long, these traits will never leave her.

1095
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: She will attack and if she gets big, she'll kill

1096
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: your other dog. Whoa. And to Caitlin's credit, she was

1097
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: like that's tough. Okay, it didn't matter. This is the dog.

1098
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: So we're very consistent with her, and she's awesome. Now

1099
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: she's too she's not aggressive, she's actually opposite, annoyingly like

1100
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 1: loving her, her and the bulldog. She has a crate

1101
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: that she sleeps in, but it never closes, right, it's

1102
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: not a crate, but we create trained her early on

1103
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: to know, this is your house, this is your consistency. Yeah,

1104
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: and so it's her crate. But even but the bulldog

1105
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: will sometimes go lay in her crate and she'll just

1106
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: go lay in the bed beside it. But she's not

1107
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: aggressive at all. So she's just like, okay, cool. And

1108
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: so we've had her for two years. And then Stanley

1109
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: is a bulldog and he's in surgery today is fourteenth surgery.

1110
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: Whoa we got him? I mean he had six surgeries

1111
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: in his first year. He had a lot of stuff

1112
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: from eye weener, no, that's but it's really him, it's

1113
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: really him. But he had all these surgeries and so

1114
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: he lived in a cone. So it's really hard to

1115
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: instill any sort of discipline in because of that. But

1116
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: he's a great dog now. But he tores acl one

1117
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: leg all the way in two had surgery, miserable rehab

1118
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: because these three's fat dogs towards the other one all

1119
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: the way in half. And today he gets sent off

1120
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: to the hospital. I'll be back tomorrow morning. But I

1121
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: actually just posted this walking over here. This is me

1122
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: give him a pep talk this morning. Here you go,

1123
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you don't even know English, so you

1124
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 1: don't know what surgery is. But when you're done that leg,

1125
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna be all better. Okay, And I'm sorry I

1126
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: can't teach you this morning because you'll vomit all over

1127
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: the doctor. I love it very much. Hopey for concergery. Okay, buddy,

1128
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: high five? Oh my gosh, he high fives. So yes,

1129
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: I love my dogs. I'm set just and my wife

1130
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: never had dogs growing up, so these are her first dogs.

1131
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: And it's fun to see that her. Yeah, she was like,

1132
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: we never had dogs, I don't like and she just

1133
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: loves them. It's like I told you, I told you,

1134
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: you tell me I'm an idiot. I told you you're

1135
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: the idiot. You said you didn't like dogs. Except I

1136
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 1: don't call her radio because she beat me. Okay, look, Hayley,

1137
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: we've we've we've done it all, we've said it all.

1138
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: First of all, it's great to see the trajectory that's

1139
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: happening now because you deserve it. And I will say

1140
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: I would say the same thing to do off the air.

1141
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: Getting to this place on the chart is good for

1142
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: one of two reasons. One either this song keeps going

1143
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: or two it's crazy momentum for the next one. Okay,

1144
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: it literally is like, for some reason, you're in five

1145
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: weeks levels like, well, we can't get past that's they're

1146
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: gonna go to a song immediately. Yeah, and that's what's good.

1147
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: So you've hit that spot that actually allows you to

1148
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: have another really strong shot. Worst case, that's worst case scenario. Okay,

1149
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: best cases, let's go. Let's go best case. Let's go.

1150
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: Oh may I hope we get so famous forget who

1151
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: I am in two years? That would be that's soul

1152
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: to make goals to for you to walk out and

1153
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: be like, who's that guy? It's like white ain't gonna

1154
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: that could be him? That ain't happening. Look, Haley Witters

1155
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: at Hailey Witters follow her everything she ain't can we

1156
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: have like four seconds of it? Mind? So way, don't

1157
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: get sued by the music police. Everything. We'll get sued

1158
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: by the music place if we play over five seconds.

1159
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Brutal, brutal exactly, the music police. That's

1160
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: you and your people though. So talking with how was

1161
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: it doing like late night TV for the first time?

1162
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's one of those things, is like

1163
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: for the first time I get to do would you

1164
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: do Kimel? So insane? Yes, yes, he say, tell me

1165
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: about it Kimmel? Very like a publicist called Monday night, Hey,

1166
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: can you do Kimmel on Wednesday? Sure, jumped on a plane,

1167
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: flew out, very cool, like honestly, just hung in our trailers. Um,

1168
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: they had great snack selection. We did two takes, just

1169
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 1: ran through this song twice. I got to meet Jimmy.

1170
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: He was very sweet, took a few photos and it

1171
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: was done like a yeah. And then it was kind

1172
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: of nice because we were like pre taped. I don't

1173
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: know if I was supposed to say that, but we

1174
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: were pre taped. But it was kind of nice because

1175
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: the day of you could be like, I'm gonna be

1176
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: on Kimmel all night without the nerves and knowing it

1177
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: was good. I didn't see it, so I didn't know.

1178
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I got it because I was like,

1179
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: she's in a pre tape. If I know I did good, yeah,

1180
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: if it's like live, I'm like, I don't know, I

1181
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: may suck at this. I don't want body watching quite yet.

1182
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: That's awesome. And then I saw it may have been

1183
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: around the same time that Kelly Clarkson did a cover

1184
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: up because she comes out and sings at the beginning. Yes,

1185
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: and I've done her show before and she she did

1186
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: a queen song and she crushed it. I was like, oh, yeah,

1187
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: forgot she's like one of the greatest singers ever too. Yeah.

1188
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: But then she did one of your songs. Yeah, like

1189
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: the next morning. Oh, it was like the next morning really. Yeah.

1190
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: It was really strange where it was like all and

1191
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: it was like kind of funny because I had just

1192
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: been on Kimmel. But again, like I guess like back

1193
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: Home demo or something. Every like woman I know back

1194
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: home texting me like you were on Kelly Clarkson this morning,

1195
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was on Kimmel last night too,

1196
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: you know. But it was like, Kelly, Man, that's awesome, O, congratulations,

1197
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 1: I'd love to see it. I'm super proud. For you

1198
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: and you guys, go follow Haley on Instagram and TikTok

1199
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: and just listen to her singing, listen streamer music. But

1200
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: also you do enough singing and places and on social

1201
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: media so people can actually hear you sing without a

1202
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: processor without like it's just it's so good, you're so good.

1203
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: You're so good, and I love to see it. Okay,

1204
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: at Haley Woods, go follow her and her car's fine,

1205
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: so don't worry about that. And there are no tornados, Mike,

1206
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: We're all good, good, okay, thank you, and we will

1207
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: conclude by Haley. This has been a Bobby Cast production.