1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Hey there, I want to give you a heads up 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: that this episode may be upsetting for some listeners. Another gruesome, 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: murderous part of this. 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: Family story previously on Hello John Doe. 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 3: I just wanted the answers who was Sharon Marshall? The 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 3: DNA match both the father and the mother, and it 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 3: came back as a confirmation that the girl who was 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 3: killed in Oklahoma City was Suzanne Sevakas. 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 4: I just completely burned down, completely burned down. 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: I sometimes have this feeling that's hard to explain, but 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try. It's almost like there's a thin veil 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: between life and death, and sometimes I can see right 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: through it. It's part of why I got into this 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: business of trying to find the names of John Doe's. 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: The dead don't feel that far away from me. They're 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: close by. My brother and sister died so after being born, 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: they're still with me. And so were the two missing 18 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: boys I became obsessed with back in two thousand and four. 19 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: At that point, I was thirty four, raising two boys 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: alone and working on the Dough Network. Some days my 21 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: mind would wander and I'd find myself thinking about the 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: two missing boys. All things considered, I guess the six 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: year old was alive and the infant was dead, just 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: because it's hard to keep an infant alive. But eventually 25 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: the infant, Steve Patterson called me. I don't even know 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: how I got your remember he picked up the phone. 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: I mean it was just one in a billion. 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: I guess, But the six year old Michael never did. 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: His mama was Susie Sevegas and he went by Michael Hughes. 30 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: When I think of that thin veil between life and death, 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm not sure which side he's on. He was in 32 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: first grade when he vanished. News cruise taught to some 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: of his classmates. He was in a class that I fell. 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: He's not there anymore. Now he's not where is he? 35 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: So may chook them. 36 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: Sometimes I look at Michael's Doone Network page. He has 37 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: this big toothy grin with missing teeth. Makes me think 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: of my own sons and then my grandsons. Other days 39 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: I google stories of men trying to find their parents, 40 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: or look through John Doe's And then there are days 41 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: that I wake up and think he's gone. I'm going 42 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: to tell you what happened to him. Then you can 43 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: decipher yourself which side of the bell he's on. My 44 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: name is Todd Matthews and this is Hello John Doe. 45 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: A sleuth, a family, and a serial killer. The story 46 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: of a family torn apart by tragedy and my quest 47 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: to bring them back together. Chapter seven, The Other Missing Boy. 48 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: After Susie died, Floyd went to prison. Officials had finally 49 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: figured out had been a fugitive on the run since 50 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three. So their child, Michael, ended up in 51 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: foster care. He was a sweet toddler of brown hair 52 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: and brown eyes, scaring his forehead, and two little crooked 53 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: bottom teeth. 54 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: So Michael was in the custody of two of the 55 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: nicest people walk in the face of the your Marlin, 56 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: Earnest beIN. 57 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: That's former FBI agent Scott Lobb. He was tasked with 58 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: figuring out what happened to Michael after his mama died. 59 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: The Beans were an Oklahoma couple. Here they are in 60 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: a local program talking about how they started fostering kids. 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 5: We were at church and they had these two adorable 62 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 5: little boys, and one day was talking to him and 63 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 5: they said, oh, they're foster children. And we had no 64 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 5: idea what foster children was all about. They told us 65 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 5: that it was to the Department of Human Services and 66 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 5: that you just take kids in and love them like 67 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 5: you do your own, and I thought we can do that. 68 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: The Beans were gone to foster eighty children, if you 69 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: can believe it, including young Michael Hughes. They took him 70 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: in May one, nineteen ninety. He had just celebrated his 71 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: second birthday. Apparently, a caseworker told the Beans he still 72 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: drank out of a bottle and only drank pepsi. He 73 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,119 Speaker 1: seemed to have some developmental delays and sometimes through epic tantrums. 74 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: For a two year old, Michael had already had it tough, 75 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: but the Beans gave him all the love they could. 76 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: Over the next four years, Michael started to come into 77 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: his own, growing physically and emotionally. This story has so 78 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: many examples of chosen family. This is one. The Beans 79 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: chose Michael as their family, and he chose them too. 80 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: But throughout those four years, Franklin Ployce still got to 81 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: see Michael, even though he was now in prison. The 82 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 1: Beans had to bring Michael to the el Renal Federal 83 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: Correctional Institute. 84 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 3: Floyd would get I don't know, an hour or two 85 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: with them. 86 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: The Beans said Michael hated every minute of it. He 87 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: go hide and talk about that mean man. But in 88 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, floyd sentence was up, he was a 89 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: free man and he wanted to pick up where he 90 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: left on. By then, Michael is in kindergarten. 91 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 3: When he gets out of prison, he starts trying to 92 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 3: regain custody in Michael through the court system and through public, 93 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: through media, and he's being turned down at every point. 94 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: Floyd was persistent though he wanted Michael. 95 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 3: Finally, somebody got wise and requested that essentially a DNA 96 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: test be done and it turns out Floyd's not the father, 97 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 3: and so immediately the Bean family filed for adoption. 98 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: The DNA test results effectively stop Michael's visits with Floyd, 99 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: which apparently got under Floyd's skin. 100 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: Floyd knew from his interactions with Michael in the prison 101 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 3: setting that he had a real love for the Bean family. 102 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 3: He couldn't handle this. To him, Michael was his. 103 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: The Beans knew something us up. Merlebane even said she 104 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: saw Floyd looking around their house and a pickup truck. 105 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: So they acted swiftly, trying to file for adoption as 106 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: quickly as possible, but right before the adoption was finalized 107 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four, Floyd did something drastic awful. On 108 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: September twelfth, nineteen ninety four, Michael Hughes went into his 109 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: first grade classroom in Indian Meridian Elementary School the way 110 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: he did every day. He wore black high top sneakers, 111 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: wore red and blue shorts. He carried in a Laddin backpack. 112 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: While Michael was in school, Floyd left his halfway house 113 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City wearing a wrinkled suit. He had a gun. 114 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: He showed up at the front desk of Indian Meridian 115 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: Elementary School. This is what he said, according to news reports, 116 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: think I had better tea. I got a gun in 117 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: my pocket and I better show it to you. I'm 118 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: ready to die and if you don't help me, you 119 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: won't live. Took Michael out of his classroom and he 120 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: took Principal James Davis too. He forced them both into 121 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: the principal's pickup truck and made him drive into the woods. There, 122 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: he tied the principal to a tree. Then he got 123 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: back into the pickup truck with Michael and drove away. 124 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:27,559 Speaker 1: It was the last time anyone saw Michael, not knowing 125 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: what happened to him, destroyed the Bean family. Michael, who 126 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: we were in the process of getting the papers and everything, 127 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: was kidnapped, and after that we said no more foster kids. 128 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: There was a nationwide search. The Beans tapped, the newspapers 129 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: got on TV. They pleaded keep an eye out for Michael. Franklin. Floyd, 130 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: claiming to be the boy's father, abducted him, even tied 131 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: up the school's principal in the woods nearby. Michael Hughes 132 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: still hasn't been seen since after the kidnap him Floyd 133 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: Brown on one more time. A few months later, Floyd, 134 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: then fifty one years old, moved to Louisville and got 135 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: a job as a used car salesman. His neighbors observed 136 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: some weird details. He wore second hand clothing and wanted 137 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: to stay up all night. One neighbor said he always 138 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: wanted to come over and watch the fugitive on TV. 139 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: On his second day at the dealership, couriers delivering an 140 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: express mail package to Floyd, except they were really undercover agents. 141 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: Mark Anci remembers at the time he was an assistant 142 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: US attorney in the Western District of Oklahoma. 143 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: Floyd had applied for a license under one of his aliases, 144 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: and he had applied in Kentucky. So that's how we 145 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: were able to locate him in Kentucky. He had slipped 146 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: up by trying to get an id under one of 147 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: his old aliases. 148 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: They arrested him in charge him with the kidnapping of 149 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: both Michael and his principal. 150 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: The trial actually started in April of nineteen ninety five, 151 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: about ten days before the Oaklhom City bombing, which actually 152 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: occurred right across the street from the courthouse where we 153 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: tried Franklin Floyd. 154 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: Mark Anty was one of the prosecutors on the case. 155 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: And the trial became a little interesting because Franklin Floyd 156 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: decided to waive his right to a jury trial. 157 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: Mark Skiz Floyd might have figured a Jerry might not 158 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: be so friendly to him, especially because no one knew 159 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: or Michael was. 160 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: There was another interesting twist to the case. In addition 161 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: to him waving his right to a jury trial, he 162 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: really wanted to represent himself. 163 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: This was unconventional, kind of bizarre. 164 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: Judge Alie actually been over backwards to assist Franklin Floyd. 165 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: You typically can't have a lawyer and argue the case yourself. 166 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: It's one of the other. It's called hybrid representation. Judge 167 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: Alli allowed some form of hybrid representation to placate Franklin Floyd. 168 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: One of Franklin Floyd's key defenses is, I can't be guilty. 169 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: I am the father of Michael Hughes. So we put 170 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: on DNA evidence to disprove that he was the biological 171 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 2: father of Michael Hughes. And of course he countered by 172 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: suggesting that he was sort of the de facto father 173 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: or grandfather. 174 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: You heard that right. He was simultaneously arguing that he 175 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: was both the father and grandfather Michael, which wasn't true. 176 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,119 Speaker 1: But Mark and the other prosecutor did call Michael's real father. 177 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: To testify, Greg Higgs, who was actually Michael's biological father, 178 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: very normal, married and had his own children and knew 179 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: nothing about Michael. He did not know that he was 180 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: Michael's father, and had noted to us that if he 181 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 2: would have known that there was this whole custody spew 182 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: dude and that Sharon had died, he would have gladly 183 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 2: adopted Michael Wess his own. 184 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: Sorry, my god. His real father would have taken him 185 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: in had he known the trial didn't last longer than 186 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: a week. Trial's go much quicker and you don't have 187 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: a jury. After twenty years of running from similar crimes, 188 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: Floyd couldn't run anymore. He was finally locked up on 189 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: federal charges and sentenced to fifty two years for the 190 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: kidnappings and other related crimes. 191 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: There's no parole in the federal system, so when you 192 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: get a fifty year plus sentence, it's effectively life without parole. 193 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: Franklin Floyd may have been caught partaking Michael and principal 194 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: James Davis, but authorities still wanted to know where the 195 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: boy was. By the early twenty tens, it was a 196 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: cold case and the National Center for Missing and Exploited 197 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: Children was doing a cold case review, so they asked 198 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: Agent Scott Lobbed to reopen the case. That's how he, 199 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: an agent, ended up interview in Franklin Floyd. He was 200 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: trying to jumpstart the case for the National Center for 201 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: Missing and Exploited Children. Moving it forward meant finding out 202 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: who Sharon Marshall was and what happened to her. It 203 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: also meant figuring out what happened to. 204 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 3: Michael and at the time of Michael's disappearance, they had 205 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: local police involved in the matter, but at the time 206 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: it was still not known that Franklin Floyd had taken 207 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 3: him across state lines, and that is an element that 208 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 3: is necessary for a prosecution of kidnapping at the federal level. 209 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: A Sena's agent Lobbin first started asking Floyd flipped out, 210 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: started rambling. 211 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: We're FBI agents. We're here to talk to you about 212 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: Michael Hughes. And I said, I've reopened the investigation. And 213 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 3: he looked at me and says, what, I appreciate it 214 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: if you close it? 215 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: Oh, hell No. Seems to me that Floyd thought if 216 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: he asked very nicely, the FBI could close their cold 217 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: case investigation into a missing kid. They just didn't bat any. 218 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: They took Floyd back to the day kidnapped Michael from 219 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: Indian Meridian Elementaries. After leaving Principal Davis tied up in 220 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: the woods. Where did he take Michael? He said, they 221 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: drove along Interstate thirty five outside of Oklahoma City. 222 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 3: And we had walked him down Interstate thirty five and 223 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 3: Floyd said, we ended up in Dallas. We want to 224 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 3: know what happened between Oklahoma City and Dallas. 225 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: Now he had admitted to crossing state lines. But what 226 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: he's about to ment to next, it's really hard to 227 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: listen to. Floyd and Michael were in the pickup truck together. 228 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: According to Floyd, Michael was asking about the beans, how 229 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: he wanted to go back and see Mama Bean, and 230 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: he was just acting up on the drive down there, 231 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 3: and Floyd said he got to the point where he 232 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 3: knew he could never be with Michael again. He knew 233 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 3: every law enforcement official in the state of Oklahoma was 234 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: searching for him. 235 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: Think about all the witnesses at the elementary school. Plus 236 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: it was now publicly known that Floyd wasn't Michael's father. 237 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: He couldn't pass Michael off his he is the way 238 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: he did Susie. On the way out of town, Floyd 239 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: said he stopped to get a few things. 240 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 3: Well, I stopped at a convenience store in Dell City, 241 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: which is a suburban Oklahoma City, and bought him, you know, 242 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: some some drinks and some knickknacks. 243 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: He called them agents for and lawber. Following Floyd's pie, 244 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: as he described what happened. 245 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: You passed the crossroads mall, he goes well, that's that's 246 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: where I handed Michael off. No you did in Floyd. 247 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: At this point, we're just not even putting up with that, 248 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: and we say he didn't he took him. And Nate 249 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: jumps in at this point said, you know, we have 250 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 3: the starting point, we have the any point. We want 251 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 3: to know what happened in the middle. 252 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: Floyd seemed like he was ready to answer. He asked 253 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: for a pencil and a piece of paper. 254 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 3: He draws a map and it's Interseate thirty five. We 255 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 3: walk him down that road? What did you do? And 256 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: then Floyd goes you know, he just goes on forever, 257 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 3: talking about how they stopped. 258 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: They both got out of the car in a brushy, 259 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: secluded area off the side of the road. 260 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: They pray, they talk, they pray some more, and he's crying. 261 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: It's all crocodile tears, but he's crying, he's moaning, and 262 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: I at this point I knew he had him. I 263 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: slammed my hand down on the tabletop and said how 264 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: did you kill him? And he startled him. He said, 265 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 3: don't you do that in reference to me slapped my 266 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 3: hand on the table. I'm asking how'd you kill him? 267 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: Nate's asking him, why did you kill him? Now, I'm 268 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: just repeating myself, And he's looking off to his right, 269 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 3: crying and so forth. And he finally turned and looked 270 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: at me. Tears are gone, and he says, I shot 271 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: him twice in the back of the head to make 272 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: it real quick. 273 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: After years of deception, Floyd finally told the truth. It 274 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: was worse than I ever imagined to waste. He could 275 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: have just let the Beans raise Michael. His real father, 276 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: Greg was even willing to raise him. Agent Lob has 277 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: a theory on why Floyd would kill Michael. 278 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: This is what I think, this is what Floyd said. 279 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: But in his selfish mind, he said, well I can't 280 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: have him. Nobody's going to have him, and he killed him. 281 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: Very heartbreaking. 282 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: For allmost two decades, no one had known what happened 283 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: to Michael, not the Bean family, not Sandy and her kids. 284 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: Now Franklin Floyd finally gave them an answer. There's a 285 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: comfort in having a resolution after so many years of 286 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: searching for clues, and yet there was no sense of 287 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: comfort at the end of this. 288 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: You know, a little kid lost his life, So it 289 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 3: wasn't really it wasn't a high five moment. You know 290 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: it just it was. We got the answers. 291 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: The next step was getting photographs of the region to 292 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: try to figure out where the murder had happened. These 293 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: clues might help them find Michael's body. 294 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: We took a couple members of the evidence response team 295 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 3: from the office down there with us just do a 296 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 3: kind of a cursory survey, an initial survey, and we 297 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: decided we've got to go back and talk to Floyd. 298 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: We want to really zero in on where because it's 299 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: a big piece of property where this happened. And so 300 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 3: we did. In January of twenty fifteen, we went back 301 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 3: in South Floyd for the last time. 302 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: A few months later, a full team descended on that 303 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: area in Oklahoma. There was an evidence response tane, an anthropologist, 304 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: and a state forensic doctor. 305 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 3: And we go down there. We picked out an area 306 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: based on Floyd's description of where we thought that the 307 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 3: murder happened, and we staked off maybe a two thousand 308 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 3: square foot area. They had cautioned us, the anthropologist and 309 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 3: the forensic person from the state, that you're not going 310 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 3: to find it any human matter. 311 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: It's because of something else. I really hate thinking about 312 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: the area where Michael was shot as a high population 313 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: of wild hogs. 314 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 3: We sat there for two days, eight hours, ten hours 315 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: a day, just sifting dirt looking for something, and we 316 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 3: didn't find anything at all. 317 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: My heart sank when I heard they didn't find a 318 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: body or even bones. But but that remains. I figured 319 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: we didn't know for sure that Michael was dead. Maybe 320 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: there's hope. Agent Lomb thought otherwise. 321 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 3: I believe Floyd killed Michael where he said he did. 322 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 3: And I say that because in interviewing Floyd, you're looking 323 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 3: for indicators that somebody's lying to you, and with Floyd, 324 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 3: he was lying to us all the time. But we 325 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: knew when he was telling the truth called almost a 326 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 3: truth tell and there is no doubt in my mind 327 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 3: that Floyd was telling the truth in how he killed 328 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 3: Michael and where he killed Michael. And then there's people 329 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: who think Michael still living and walking the earth somewhere. 330 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 3: I just I don't believe that at all. I just 331 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 3: don't believe it. 332 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: I guess I'd just like to hear it from Michael. 333 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: I know it sounds strange, but I'm in a holding 334 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: pattern until. 335 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 3: I see a body. 336 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: I need to see it so that it can release me, 337 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: and now I'm the sleuth in this story. I can't 338 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: even imagine how Michael's biological family thinks about his disappearance. 339 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: So I called up Sandy to ask her about her grandson. 340 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 4: Do I think Michael's life? I mean you and you 341 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 4: and I disagree about this time, but I don't think 342 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 4: Michael's alive. 343 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: I just want him to. 344 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 4: Be I would love for him to be alive. But 345 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 4: I know what a temper Floyd had. Yeah, and if 346 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 4: he thought he was disrespected, it's hard to tell him what. 347 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 3: He would do. 348 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 6: It really is we disagree. 349 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: I don't think we really disagree so much as it 350 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: is that just I think we both hope yes, and 351 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: I hope pretty heavy. So I still don't want to 352 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: give up. 353 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 4: I haven't given up either. 354 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: So Floyd landed behind bars for kidnapping Michael because he 355 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: couldn't or wouldn't let him grow up with the beans, 356 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: but that kidnapping was not what put him on death row. 357 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: In the early two thousands of Florida, jury found Floyd 358 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: guilty of first degree murder. Believe it or not, it 359 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: wasn't the death of Michael or his mama, Susie Sevacas. 360 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: There was a third victim. Remember I told you that 361 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: Susie was a dancer to strip club called Mon's Venus. 362 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: That's where she met her friend, Cheryl Comesso. Cheryl had 363 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: very long black hair and lots of photos. It's kind 364 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: of teased, very nineteen eighties. A lot of people said 365 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: she was gorgeous and Italian and wanted to be a model. 366 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: Mon's Venus was just going to be a stepping stone 367 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: for her. Couple of times a week she would come 368 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: over to Floyd and Susie's two bedroom trailer. They all 369 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: hung out. She got close to Susie and apparently talked 370 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: to her about leaving Floyd. A lot of people that 371 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: worked at Mon's Venus talked to Susie about it. Daniel 372 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: Floyd was controlling and creepy. By this point. Susie was 373 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: about twenty years old. As I told you a couple 374 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: of chapters ago, Sheryl went missing in nineteen eighty nine, 375 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: leaving only a red Corvette behind. Six years later, a 376 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: landscaper come across the remains off Interstate two seventy five 377 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: in Florida. For years, she was Jane Doe I two 378 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: seventy five, but with a lot of detective work, authorities 379 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: finally identified her. 380 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: And they were able to identify the victim of Cheryl Comesso. 381 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: Investigators then had to try to figure out who killed her. 382 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: They suspected Floyd because he hung out with her in Florida, 383 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: but didn't have enough to put him away on just 384 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: their association with one another. But in a matter of 385 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: time the case had a breakthrough. A karma canny was 386 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: doing some repairs on a pickup truck, the one Floyd 387 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: ran away with. Michael Innn here's the agent law again. 388 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 3: They found the vehicle Franklin Floyd used to get away 389 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 3: from Oklahoma in a parking lot in Dallas, Texas have 390 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 3: believed a wonderbread speaking factory. 391 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 2: They put it up on a lift and that's when 392 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: it was discovered that there were a number of photographs 393 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 2: taped to the gas tank of that. 394 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: Truck, more than three dozen of them, all of young 395 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: women in various states of undress. 396 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: And it was pretty obvious to me and all of 397 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 2: us when we saw those photos that these were sort 398 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,239 Speaker 2: of Franklin Floyd's trophies because there was a lot of 399 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: incriminating photographs, including photographs of Sharon Marshall was. 400 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 5: A little girl. 401 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: Yantie suspens. Floyd put them under his car because he 402 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: couldn't stand to get rid of his trophies. Maybe he 403 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: thought he'd come back and get them someday. Either way, 404 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: they confirmed the unimaginable that Floyd had been abused in 405 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: his step daughter since childhood when he kidnapped Susie, which. 406 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 2: Confirmed our suspicion that he was a pedophile. There were 407 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 2: also another photo or two of women that we never hadid. 408 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: Other photographs showed a woman partially dressed and she had 409 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: been beaten. It was Cheryl. 410 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 2: They had found a body, skeletal remains of a woman 411 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 2: a few years earlier in St. Petersburg area. They were 412 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: able to take the clothing and wash it. And when 413 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: you look at the photos they uploaded, and you saw 414 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: the pink or the purple bikini in the striped shirt 415 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 2: and compared it with the photos that we found, you 416 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 2: could tell us the exact same clothing. 417 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: What's in these photographs honestly makes me see. But this 418 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: evidence was crucial in the State of Florida's case against 419 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: Franklin ploy. 420 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: These were polaroids and he was very clear not to 421 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: show himself in any of them, although there was one 422 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: good thumb photo in one of the photographs that I 423 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: know that the police in Florida used to their advantage 424 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: to try to identify him. 425 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't know why Cheryl was murdered. No one does, 426 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: but there's reason to think that she probably got in 427 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: between Floyd and Susie. And as far as you know, 428 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: no other murder. 429 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 2: Victims, well, as far as we know, I think we 430 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: all suspect there are more. 431 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: By the time Floyd was sentence in Cheryl's death, he 432 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: was already locked up for other crimes, including the nineteen 433 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: ninety four Michael Hughes kidnapping. Here's agent law again. 434 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: I've always maintained that for somebody on death row, death 435 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 3: is easy. They get out of prison. What's harder is 436 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 3: sitting there in yourself for twenty three hours a day. 437 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 3: Sounds a little cruel, and maybe it is. That's just 438 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 3: how I feel. Every now and then you get a 439 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 3: case that you read about and the guy gets the 440 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: death penalty when it is safe involves children like it 441 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 3: did in this case, you're just like, yeah, good. 442 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: Dorothy, Sandy's youngest wanted to confront Floyd to tell him 443 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,719 Speaker 1: flat out how much he had taken from her family. 444 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: She never got to know her oldest sister, Susie. Dorothy 445 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: was born after Susie was already gone. 446 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 7: Excuse my language, bless So when that motherfucker goes to die, 447 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 7: I want to be in a window holding my sister's 448 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 7: picture up along with my nephew and watch him take 449 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 7: his last breast and tell him flat out you took 450 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 7: this from me, and I never got it. 451 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: I even wrote to Floyd in prison. I just wanted 452 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: to understand, but what he responded was basically incomprehensible. Floyd 453 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: may have been sentenced to death, but he was never 454 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: put to death. His defense consistently argued that he was 455 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: too mentally unstable to face the death penalty. Other people 456 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: I spoke to who knew him said his mental illness 457 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: was among the most pronounced I had ever seen on 458 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: death row. Floyd died of natural causes in January twenty 459 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: twenty three. He was seventy nine. Of all the people 460 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: in this story, Floyd got to die of old age. 461 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: The Tampa Bay Times wrote about his death. They listed 462 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: off his string of crimes, Sheryl's murderer, Michael's kidnapping, and 463 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: references erratic and angry behavior. A Florida state attorney was 464 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: quoted in Floyd's obituary. He said, a better thing couldn't 465 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: have happened to a worse person. The news made its 466 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: way to Agent Lam. 467 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 3: And I had promised him, Floyd, You're going to die 468 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: in prison, and I remember one of my first reactions was, well, 469 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 3: it's a promise I kept. 470 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: Sandy was elated to hear that he had died. Hallelujah. 471 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 4: He sure ain't going to have him. 472 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: By the time Amy, Sandy's third daughter, heard of Floyd's passing, 473 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: she was already trying to move past him. 474 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 8: He didn't deserve the right for me to think about him, 475 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 8: to care about him, to give two sticks in the 476 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 8: dirt of what his life was like or anything. 477 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 6: He didn't have that. 478 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 2: Rate, So I don't let it bother me. 479 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: Floyd was never held accountable for most of what he 480 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: did to Sandy's family, How he separated a boy from 481 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: his mother, how he did it again when he murdered 482 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: Susie and left Michael motherless. When Steve got adopted and 483 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: ended up with Mary's family, He ended up in the dark, 484 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 1: consumed by feeling of not being wanted. 485 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 6: Do you know what Franklin did with Stephen That was 486 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 6: that's bullshit. Nobody, and I mean nobody should never be 487 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 6: taken away from their mother at all. And then you know, 488 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 6: he gets robbed of knowing his birth mother. 489 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: That left Steve at a crossroads last week, left him 490 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: he hadn't made up his mind if he wanted to 491 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: keep getting to know Sindy, if that one could ever 492 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: be repaired. I'd spent so many years think employd might 493 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: have killed Steve. When I found out he was still alive, 494 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: it was an absolute miracle. That's one of the reasons 495 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: why this case is so unusual for me. Usually I 496 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: find dead people and reuniting with their families, but with Steve, 497 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out how to help him heal. 498 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: There are no physical marks on Steve like they were 499 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: on Shril or Susie. But Floyd didn't just leave wounds 500 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: that you can see. He was an emotional wrecking bomb 501 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: for Steve and his siblings. They have to decide if 502 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: they want to choose each other as family now in 503 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: middle age, or if they want to let Sleep and 504 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: Dows lie because they just can't see a path forward together. 505 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: It's the biggest question of this entire podcast. Next time 506 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: on Hello John Doe. Steve's sister Amy grew up with 507 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: their mother, Sandy, but by the time she was a teenager, 508 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: she left home and had planned on never looking back. 509 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 8: I feel like he's a little bit jealous because I 510 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 8: had our actual mom, and I'm jealous that he didn't 511 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 8: have her. 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