Speaker 1: Hey, every well, welcome back to Bechler Happy Hour.
Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena.
Speaker 3: We are here to recap another episode of the Bachelorette.
Speaker 3: But it is Fantasy Sweet Week and the season went
Speaker 3: by pretty quick, it did.
Speaker 4: And tonight, don't forget to tune in to the Men
Speaker 4: tell All All your favorites are back, as well as
Speaker 4: our favorite Bacherette, Jen. We'll be making an appearance and
Speaker 4: then tomorrow be sure to tune into Bachelor Happy Hour
Speaker 4: as we will be live from the Tell All interviewing
Speaker 4: a couple of your favorite men.
Speaker 1: I enjoy the live roundtable.
Speaker 2: Me too.
Speaker 4: I actually think this was my favorite mentell All interview
Speaker 4: segment that we've done. Every one of the guys came
Speaker 4: with such good energy, different personalities, different perspectives, and we
Speaker 4: had a lot of really fun chats.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You get everyone when they are still riding the high
Speaker 3: of a reunion show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just finishing those reunions, the adrenaline still going,
Speaker 4: but you're also feeling so relieved that it's done, so
Speaker 4: it's a great time to get to talk to them.
Speaker 3: And within Bachlorination, we have I think five people announcing pregnancies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's a baby boom in Bachlorination for sure these
Speaker 4: past few weeks.
Speaker 3: So you have a former Bachelorette Andy Dorfmann, former Bachelor
Speaker 3: Ben Higgins, Tia is having another baby, Madison Pruett, and.
Speaker 2: I believe her name is Jenna Cooper.
Speaker 3: Jenna Cooper who was actually on my season of my
Speaker 3: first season on Bachelor in Paradise. So congrats to all
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: May they have beautiful healthy babies.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're so happy.
Speaker 4: It's always fun to see the love and the babies
Speaker 4: come all together in Bachelorination. So congrats to everyone, and
Speaker 4: we are wishing you guys safe, happy, healthy pregnancies and children.
Speaker 4: We also, speaking of Bachelor Nation events, saw a lot
Speaker 4: of our Bachlination favorite It's Charity and Dotton, Ben Higgins,
Speaker 4: Natasha Parker, Daisy the list goes on and on. Susie
Speaker 4: and Kathy were there at the iHeartRadio Golf tournament event
Speaker 4: in San Francisco.
Speaker 3: Yep, we were supposed to go, but our flight got
Speaker 3: canceled and Air Canada and decided to rebook us with
Speaker 3: only one option, which was two and a half days later.
Speaker 3: I did, like insane, I was. I was so upset
Speaker 3: about that and the best is we didn't even know
Speaker 3: our flight was canceled until four thirty in the morning.
Speaker 4: Well it got canceled at like four twenty am. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and our flight we were waking up at five am
Speaker 4: to leave for our flight, fully packed, ready to go.
Speaker 2: It was crazy.
Speaker 4: I was on hold with Air Canada for two hours
Speaker 4: waiting to get through for them to be like, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: like there's nothing we can do.
Speaker 2: Which, look, stuff happens.
Speaker 4: If you follow us on Instagram, you're fully versed because
Speaker 4: we were updating you guys like crazy on our have.
Speaker 3: A backup airlines, like have some more back up in place.
Speaker 3: The fact that we couldn't fly out for two more days,
Speaker 3: I I'm just not okay with.
Speaker 2: That, I know. And Joe's been working really hard on
Speaker 2: his golfing.
Speaker 4: I had a cute golf outfit all lined up, we
Speaker 4: were ready to go. So it was a huge bummer. Honestly,
Speaker 4: we were down in the dumps for two days.
Speaker 2: But it was nice.
Speaker 4: We got to spend some more time with my family
Speaker 4: and we will hopefully make the next.
Speaker 2: I Heard event with all of our favorite people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we want to change our attitudes because right
Speaker 3: now our attitudes are very negative, and that's not a
Speaker 3: fun way to podcast. So let's change our attitudes and
Speaker 3: get into the recap.
Speaker 1: So we have fantasy.
Speaker 2: Suites, fantasy suits.
Speaker 1: Who is first up? Devin? Devin is first up.
Speaker 4: They are in Hawaii, which I just really want to
Speaker 4: go to Hawaii. Every time I see it, it just
Speaker 4: calls to me. It speaks to me. I feel like
Speaker 4: my soul would feel so at peace there. It just
Speaker 4: looks so beautiful, so much nature. I love being in
Speaker 4: open water.
Speaker 1: I mean, we could go.
Speaker 3: I know every strata doesn't know how to book a trip.
Speaker 2: That's not true. That is not true. What do you
Speaker 2: think I did until I met you?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if because I know that when you
Speaker 3: first met me, when we were staying in Chicago, that
Speaker 3: was the first time you were booking flights.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Actually tell me that it's true.
Speaker 4: I never booked a flight for myself until Joe and
Speaker 4: I met. I wasn't traveling that much, or I usually
Speaker 4: had help doing it. Like I would sit down with
Speaker 4: like a friend or like my mom, and they would
Speaker 4: help me.
Speaker 2: But we travel a lot. I could book a trip.
Speaker 4: You're just very good at booking trips, so I usually
Speaker 4: let you do it.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if you want to jump on the
Speaker 3: Hawaii research.
Speaker 1: Go for it.
Speaker 2: Hawaii.
Speaker 4: Is it so expensive during the winter, which is the
Speaker 4: time of year you want to go to Hawaii? Yeah,
Speaker 4: so maybe next summer we'll go. It's literally my dream.
Speaker 4: It's my dream I've always wanted to go.
Speaker 3: There was anyone from Fairmount is listening to this podcast
Speaker 3: and they want to hook us up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, or any airlines that want to make up for
Speaker 4: a terrible travel and wants to fly us out there.
Speaker 4: We are open to offers, but anyway or Bachelor if
Speaker 4: you guys want to have us composed to date when
Speaker 4: you guys are in Hawaii next We're totally available.
Speaker 2: But they're in Hawaii.
Speaker 4: Back on track, we open with a chat with Mollie,
Speaker 4: who we saw in the Seattle date. Her and Jason
Speaker 4: had been together for years. Jason was the bachelor. I
Speaker 4: actually loved this conversation. I thought she was great. I
Speaker 4: think they should definitely bring her back for more chats.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel like we got a lot out of Jen.
Speaker 4: I feel like Mollie directed the conversation where I wanted
Speaker 4: it to go. I feel like she was really encouraging.
Speaker 4: She was giving like big sister vibes.
Speaker 2: I thought it was great. I really liked Mollie.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, if well, maybe a completely honest my issue,
Speaker 3: I don't really have an issue. I'm just not sold
Speaker 3: that Jen's ready for an engagement. If I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: completely honest, if we're all watching the same show, I
Speaker 3: just don't know if I fully see that yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's an interesting take. Why do you think that.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know if it's that she's not ready
Speaker 3: or I just I don't know. If I'm seeing her
Speaker 3: have the conversations that would be taking it would be
Speaker 3: like really getting to know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know exactly. I can't really
Speaker 1: pinpoint it.
Speaker 4: I will add on to what you're saying. I think
Speaker 4: what we're seeing with Jen is, as she's expressed, she's
Speaker 4: been in a lot of toxic relationships in her past.
Speaker 4: I think this might be the first time she in
Speaker 4: her life is exploring healthy, stable relationships that could legitimately
Speaker 4: lead to.
Speaker 3: Merit, and she openly admits that once she shies away
Speaker 3: from them. Yeah, So I think maybe it's just that
Speaker 3: it's that because I don't want to compare her to Charity,
Speaker 3: but I remember watching Charity season and recapping Charity Season,
Speaker 3: and at this point in the show, there was no
Speaker 3: doubt in my mind that Charity like Charity, was ready,
Speaker 3: and that's really how it came across.
Speaker 4: And she was driving that show from day one towards engagement,
Speaker 4: and she was very very vocal about engagement and if
Speaker 4: you're not here for that, get out, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 4: I'm looking for. I think Jen is on more of
Speaker 4: an explorer's journey, and she's learning a lot about herself,
Speaker 4: and she's discovering things about how she is in relationships
Speaker 4: and what she's looking for, and I feel like that
Speaker 4: storyline has maybe pushed the engagement to the back seat
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 1: So you agree with me.
Speaker 2: It's not that I don't think she's ready.
Speaker 4: It's just that I think that there's a lot of
Speaker 4: newness and experiences happening and growth that maybe by the
Speaker 4: end she'll be ready. But I think we're I think
Speaker 4: we're taking steps in the right direction. But I don't
Speaker 4: know if she necessarily came on this show in a
Speaker 4: place where she was like I am. I think maybe
Speaker 4: she came on like thinking she was ready, and I
Speaker 4: honestly think that she through this journey has learned a
Speaker 4: lot about herself that I also.
Speaker 3: Don't think that there's anything wrong with not being ready.
Speaker 3: I don't think you and I were truly ready and
Speaker 3: we did it and it worked.
Speaker 4: You don't think at the ripe page of thirty five
Speaker 4: you were ready to get engaged.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I I mentally was fully there.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I feel like you were.
Speaker 4: Maybe I was, but I mean, yeah, there's still there's
Speaker 4: still time left to see where this all goes.
Speaker 2: But I do feel like the tone is less like.
Speaker 4: I am looking for a husband and it's more like
Speaker 4: this journey of self exploration and growth.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's really the narrative we're getting from Jen. Okay,
Speaker 2: So okay, say okay one more time.
Speaker 4: What I can just tell when you're like shut ups
Speaker 4: or you know, we're done on this topic.
Speaker 2: We're trying to move.
Speaker 1: On, Okay. So Devin and her.
Speaker 2: I didn't expect Devon to be number one.
Speaker 3: No, I'm I actually yeah, I'm glad he was. And
Speaker 3: this was the first time that I've seen them together,
Speaker 3: and I'm kind of questioning it it now because I,
Speaker 3: for I have really been a believer that Jen was
Speaker 3: really really into Devon. Yeah, but after watching this whole
Speaker 3: this whole episode, I'm actually I'm like, oh, she's really.
Speaker 1: Into Marcus totally.
Speaker 3: And Devin seems to be much more into Jen than
Speaker 3: I thought he was, and that I think she's into him.
Speaker 3: And what I kind of worry about is I feel
Speaker 3: like Jen is coming across with I'm I don't know,
Speaker 3: like Devin is perfect, Like Devin is telling me everything
Speaker 3: I want to hear. I usually don't get this in
Speaker 3: a relationship. Why can't I just be fully committed to this?
Speaker 4: She seems to say she feels like it's too good
Speaker 4: to be true with Devin, Yeah, which is interesting because
Speaker 4: Devon's been at like the heart of the drama this
Speaker 4: whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she also I don't know if she knows
Speaker 1: her right.
Speaker 4: No, she doesn't. I mean, I'm sure she knew in
Speaker 4: the beginning. There's a little conflict because it was kind
Speaker 4: of going on in her face. But yeah, she feels
Speaker 4: like it's too good to be true in terms of
Speaker 4: like how he acts with her and what he says
Speaker 4: towards her.
Speaker 3: And now we were starting to see Devins spiral, which
Speaker 3: I am when someone does this. At this point, I
Speaker 3: also want to be like, you do have to realize
Speaker 3: that there are you're on a show and there's multiple
Speaker 3: there's all other guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why he's freaking out because there are other
Speaker 4: guys there.
Speaker 3: I know, But he also has to give her some
Speaker 3: grace and understand her situation, like put yourself in that situation,
Speaker 3: because she can't fully It would be foolish if she
Speaker 3: fully committed to him at this point. There is other
Speaker 3: guys there and she doesn't know. Yeah, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 3: It's like one of those things where guys go on
Speaker 3: the show and they're like, I've never watched the show,
Speaker 3: but this is kind of what you need to watch
Speaker 3: it for because this is what happens.
Speaker 2: I think. Yeah, I don't know. It's so hard to tell.
Speaker 4: Because Jen actually I felt like she seemed so happy
Speaker 4: on this date, like she was just beaming. She seemed
Speaker 4: to relax, she seemed herself, but then she did kind
Speaker 4: of seem like that on the other dates as well.
Speaker 4: But I was just like, wow, she seems really happy
Speaker 4: with Devin, and Devin is looking for those things of
Speaker 4: wife and kids and a family, and those seem to
Speaker 4: be the things Jen's looking for as well, But she
Speaker 4: wonders if she's self sabotaging, kind of waiting for the
Speaker 4: other shoe to drop, Whereas I feel like with Marcus
Speaker 4: there have been kind of like barriers and struggles in
Speaker 4: terms of like the ability to get there and emotional growth.
Speaker 4: And I just feel like she's like, Oh, it's good
Speaker 4: that we're struggling here and now, and I see that,
Speaker 4: and I don't want to leave this with Devin and
Speaker 4: then find out like then struggle on the outside, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's as simple as Jen wants something
Speaker 3: that she potentially can have, which I think everyone falls
Speaker 3: victim to that.
Speaker 4: Maybe I do think her and Marcus have an amazing connection,
Speaker 4: but I think that there's something a little psychological with
Speaker 4: being the lead of this show. And I mean, I've
Speaker 4: never asked to lead this. They might be like, you
Speaker 4: don't know what you're talking about, But being the lead
Speaker 4: of the show, you have so many people idolizing you
Speaker 4: and telling you like, this is my wife and you're
Speaker 4: the one for me, and you're beautiful and perfect in
Speaker 4: every way and then to have someone that like is
Speaker 4: giving you a little resistance. I think there's refreshing, refreshment.
Speaker 4: I think it's a refreshing I think there's a bit
Speaker 4: of a challenge and excitement there that you don't necessarily
Speaker 4: get with the people that are all in from day one,
Speaker 4: that like don't even know you. And I think it
Speaker 4: just feels a little more real because.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I agree with that, especially with this
Speaker 3: season two, because.
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of the guys came at her.
Speaker 2: Like with so hard and so fast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like very strong, like I'm fully committed, like I'm
Speaker 3: ready for engagement. But yeah, I mean they leave. I
Speaker 3: mean Jen seems once they part ways, Devin and Jen,
Speaker 3: Jen seems happy totally. Devin is the one that's expressing
Speaker 3: the fact that, like this is really hard, he's not
Speaker 3: receiving what he's giving, and yeah, this is when I'm
Speaker 3: kind of like, well, Devin, like, yeah, there's two other guys.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting too because he obviously tells
Speaker 4: Jen that he's in love with her and she doesn't
Speaker 4: say it back.
Speaker 2: I think that Devon probably thought she might say it back.
Speaker 4: In the Fantasy Suite, because he seems pretty like rattled,
Speaker 4: but okay until the Fantasy Suite's done, and then he
Speaker 4: openly says, like, I said it again in the Fantasy
Speaker 4: Suite and she still didn't say it back, which like
Speaker 4: if there's a time to say it back and you're
Speaker 4: trying to like kind of like be sneaky of it,
Speaker 4: it's in the Fantasy Suite, And to me, that tells
Speaker 4: me she's not in love with it. I think she
Speaker 4: explicitly says like, I'm not in love with Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: she does. Jen thinks I wrote. Jen thinks she'll know
Speaker 4: it when she knows it, but she's not in love yet.
Speaker 4: So Devin is ahead of Jen in this situation for
Speaker 4: sure in terms of his feelings, and he absolutely is
Speaker 4: freaking out.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Okay. Then moving on to the next one
Speaker 3: is Jonathan. Jonathan I just think really slow played his
Speaker 3: relationship with Jen, and I feel like he's he's the
Speaker 3: third guy, and it feels like he's in third place.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially from just the things that we see in
Speaker 4: this episode in terms of Devin's in love with Jen,
Speaker 4: but Jonathan, it just feels like he's a step behind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's giving yet it's almost flirting with like friend zone. Really,
Speaker 3: you think if there weren't attracted to each other, I
Speaker 3: think there's an attraction there, but I just I think
Speaker 3: it's more like we're attracted to each other. Like I
Speaker 3: think Jonathan is there because he's good looking, and it
Speaker 3: was like and he's likable, and I think there's somewhat
Speaker 3: of a friendship there, and I think he.
Speaker 2: Was the Really, I don't know if I agree with that.
Speaker 4: I feel like I've seen fantasy suites where it's like
Speaker 4: there's an obvious place, dude, and it's either they're super
Speaker 4: hot the girl, the guy is like amazing good looking,
Speaker 4: You're like okay, I feel like they're just here because
Speaker 4: like there's an attraction, or the opposite, where it's like
Speaker 4: there's no sexual chemistry and they're just here because like
Speaker 4: they're funny or they get along. I feel like Jonathan
Speaker 4: has both, just not to the extent that she does
Speaker 4: with Devin and Marcus. And I do think he comments
Speaker 4: he says something at the beginning of the day where
Speaker 4: he's like, she doesn't know enough about me for me
Speaker 4: to feel comfortable proposing to her yet, and I want
Speaker 4: to be like, well, Jonathan pick up the pace man and.
Speaker 3: You're almost there, And she said that, but it also
Speaker 3: she says that, I also don't think.
Speaker 1: She really cares as much.
Speaker 2: Like I also she's not trying to get to know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I also think that that's a little on
Speaker 3: Jen of like, if you war really into him, you
Speaker 3: are the lead.
Speaker 1: You could push, you could push a little too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ask some questions, let's go interrogate the man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and which I feel like she does with Marcus.
Speaker 2: She does.
Speaker 5: I feel like she she really drives those because I
Speaker 5: feel like Marcus.
Speaker 3: Is much more reserved than Jonathan. But but Jen pushes
Speaker 3: Marcus more and then Marcus opens up where I just
Speaker 3: don't see that with Jonathan. So yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 3: but I don't know because right now, after seeing Marcus
Speaker 3: in Devin goal, I kind of put them both in
Speaker 3: the same.
Speaker 2: Boat, Marcus and Devin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I could I could see, like I could
Speaker 3: see we see a teaser at the beginning of the episode,
Speaker 3: and then we see it at the end of the episode.
Speaker 3: But Devin's gonna confront Jen go to her room.
Speaker 2: And I wait, do you mean you put Marcus and
Speaker 2: Devin in the same boat or Jonathan and Jonathan and Devin. Okays,
Speaker 2: we haven't.
Speaker 1: Talked about Marcus yet. We'll get there.
Speaker 4: But I agree because she's not in love with Devin either,
Speaker 4: and she's not in love with Jonathan, so for all
Speaker 4: we know, like her feelings for Jonathan could be more escalating.
Speaker 3: And I could see Devin going to her room and
Speaker 3: being like, you know, and I could see her being like,
Speaker 3: I'm just not there.
Speaker 1: So see, because we've seen.
Speaker 3: That in the past few seas where you know, someone
Speaker 3: towards the end goes and confronts the lead and it's
Speaker 3: it's somewhat worked, but like, I'm kind of waiting for
Speaker 3: that to not work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like that conversation could really go either way,
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, I do think she's really into Devin.
Speaker 4: I feel like they have a very natural chemistry. But
Speaker 4: she didn't say it back because she doesn't feel it
Speaker 4: or she's not there yet at least or ready to
Speaker 4: say it, and he did. So, Yeah, that conversation's gonna
Speaker 4: go one two ways. Either she's gonna be like, no,
Speaker 4: I do feel these things for you, or she's gonna say, look,
Speaker 4: I'm just not there and I don't know if I'm
Speaker 4: going to get there and if you like feel like
Speaker 4: you gotta go, you gotta go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm confused with the Devin and Jenn of at all,
Speaker 3: which I going into this, I really wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was really I really had.
Speaker 3: I was really like, Jen's really in the hymn, He's
Speaker 3: really in the her and that's gonna work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I was wrong with how much
Speaker 1: I thought Jen was into Devon Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Marcus.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like we thought it was like Devin
Speaker 4: and then Marcus like a couple of notches down and
Speaker 4: I would flip that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's go to Marcus. Marcus's date.
Speaker 3: Also, they did something really cool where they like night
Speaker 3: and they like went underwater and.
Speaker 2: That was one of the coolest date activities I've ever
Speaker 2: seen it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that looked like a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: They go to they have deeper conversations Marcus. Marcus is like,
Speaker 3: I'm just like, I'm sorry, I'm just not there Witch.
Speaker 4: That was a very very long, very serious conversation between
Speaker 4: Jen and Marcus. Like that went on way longer than
Speaker 4: I expected, which.
Speaker 3: I think as a viewer, I think most people are
Speaker 3: gonna be like, that's a red flag. But if you've
Speaker 3: ever done this experience. For Mark not to fully be
Speaker 3: there at this point is.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, wait, wait what I think it's I think
Speaker 5: for Marcus to be because he's being very honest, he's
Speaker 5: I don't think he's he's I think he really likes Jen.
Speaker 3: I just think he it takes him a longer time
Speaker 3: to fall in love and this is such a fast
Speaker 3: process that I think where he is is still okay.
Speaker 3: I don't think being the lead you have to be like, no,
Speaker 3: if he is not there yet, he'll never get there.
Speaker 3: I don't think that is what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 3: do you think if since Marcus is not there yet,
Speaker 3: do you think he can never get there.
Speaker 4: It's not that I don't think he can ever get there,
Speaker 4: it's the way he speaks about not being in love
Speaker 4: with Jen is not in a hopeful tone where it's like, look,
Speaker 4: I'm not in love with you yet. But I do
Speaker 4: think tonight in Fantasy suitets is going to be huge
Speaker 4: for our relationship and there's just things that we need
Speaker 4: to talk about, and like meeting your family is going
Speaker 4: to be so huge, Like I see myself getting there
Speaker 4: and I'm on that trajectory, Like there's no hope of
Speaker 4: I'm not in love with you, but I think I
Speaker 4: will be. It's like I don't think he knows if
Speaker 4: he will be, which usually in this process means no.
Speaker 4: And as much as like, yeah, there's time left, like
Speaker 4: if you don't feel like you're like close to falling
Speaker 4: in love with someone, like I don't know if the
Speaker 4: next couple hours is going to change that. And I
Speaker 4: know he's been through a lot and there's a lot
Speaker 4: of internal conflict going on, but this process is fast
Speaker 4: and it goes by fast, and I just think that
Speaker 4: he is a step behind her, which is never great.
Speaker 4: Like the only time I remember saying, you know what,
Speaker 4: I take everything, I said, you're right, do you agree
Speaker 4: with me?
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 4: The only time I've seen it where it really surprised
Speaker 4: me was I think it was Daisy that was like,
Speaker 4: I'm not there yet, but then she actually got there
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, I was not expecting that.
Speaker 4: But those who still didn't end up together because his
Speaker 4: relationship will Him and Kelsey are just like beautiful and
Speaker 4: soulmates in in love. But like I do think that
Speaker 4: holds the relationship back.
Speaker 1: If you ever didn't you see, didn't you see Marcus.
Speaker 5: Seem to.
Speaker 3: Get a little giddy or happier when he heard Jen
Speaker 3: finally say that she was in love with him.
Speaker 4: Because giddy would be the word I use. I mean,
Speaker 4: he was like solemnly crying.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then it's it seemed like that information.
Speaker 4: Touched him and probably allowed him to like let another
Speaker 4: guard down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because maybe just maybe just not hearing that and
Speaker 3: then maybe you know, after Fantasy Suites and then meeting
Speaker 3: her family, he could.
Speaker 4: Get there totally. And I hope that he does. I'm
Speaker 4: just hesitant to think that he will. Especially he was
Speaker 4: talking and I wanted to be like, get it out, man,
Speaker 4: like what is going on? Because I was like, either
Speaker 4: he's gonna say I'm in love with you, he's gonna
Speaker 4: say I'm not in love with you, He's.
Speaker 2: Gonna send himself home.
Speaker 4: Like the whole conversation was teetering on this, Like like,
Speaker 4: I think that conversation, if it had gone differently, could
Speaker 4: have led to him going home. That was the energy
Speaker 4: I was getting. Or maybe he was just so nervous
Speaker 4: that that was the energy he was exuding. But I
Speaker 4: think Jen saying well, I'm gonna be honest, I'm in
Speaker 4: love with you pushed it towards him, saying and continuing
Speaker 4: to try to make it work.
Speaker 1: All right, hypothetical here before we end this recap.
Speaker 2: Okay, and then I have one more thing to say.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you want to say that now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I want to say it quickly.
Speaker 4: I do think my last point on this topic about Marcus,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people that come on this show
Speaker 4: with a significant amount of childhood trauma, relationship trauma, et cetera.
Speaker 4: And I think it can make it very difficult when
Speaker 4: you're in the environment to determine am I not falling
Speaker 4: for this person because of what I've been through in
Speaker 4: my past and I'm letting it homeway back because the
Speaker 4: environment is just not cohesive to me as a person
Speaker 4: here on the show, or because I'm just not that
Speaker 4: to the lead and I just don't. I think Marcus
Speaker 4: is having an internal battle right now about like why
Speaker 4: he's not getting there, and I think it it might
Speaker 4: just be like Jen's not his person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, so let's say let's say it's let's say
Speaker 3: it's Devin and Marcus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Devin and Marcus.
Speaker 1: Okay, And.
Speaker 2: Like hypothetically, Jonathan goes home.
Speaker 3: Hypothetically, Jenna, I think, goes home, Marcus never gets there
Speaker 3: and tells Jen, I'm never going to get there. Devon's
Speaker 3: there and Jen's not there with Devon. If you're devn,
Speaker 3: are you like, are you okay with that? Because no,
Speaker 3: I'd like that to me is the that But I
Speaker 3: think some people that is always like watching this show.
Speaker 3: To me, that is the most difficult position to be in,
Speaker 3: and I think the hardest thing to get over. If
Speaker 3: you feel and there's a kind of enough evidence that
Speaker 3: you're second place, that's tough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. The only way that
Speaker 4: if it's Marcus and Devin that are the final two,
Speaker 4: which like we still don't know because this could play
Speaker 4: out in a variety of different ways. I think there's
Speaker 4: also a chance that Jen is feeling really strongly for Devon,
Speaker 4: but because I think he was. I think the leads
Speaker 4: have the most restraint on the first Fantasy suite. They
Speaker 4: hold the most back. They want to be respectful, they
Speaker 4: want to be mindful. They have two more I think
Speaker 4: Marcus being the third one. I also think Marcus having
Speaker 4: a really really hard time is what led to Jen
Speaker 4: saying she's in love with him.
Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to like, there's so many different ways that
Speaker 4: this could go. But if I was Devin, and it
Speaker 4: like you were in love with Marcus but you weren't
Speaker 4: in love with me yet, and then Marcus couldn't get there,
Speaker 4: and now it's me and you.
Speaker 2: But I feel like second choice, like that would be
Speaker 2: very hard.
Speaker 1: That would be hard.
Speaker 3: But also it's like it is still a expedited experience
Speaker 3: and in the real world, like you know, you could
Speaker 3: have been wrong, Like it really could be Devin, Like
Speaker 3: Devin actually does make the most sense, really into him,
Speaker 3: so it's like.
Speaker 4: It's worth giving it a shot if he's down and
Speaker 4: she's down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't know, I'm getting I'm I don't
Speaker 3: like like Devin's added now that I don't like like
Speaker 3: Devin's attitude, but like Devin's attitude right now is not
Speaker 3: giving me.
Speaker 1: It's it's glass half empty, not glass half full.
Speaker 4: Devon's having a bit of a meltdown, for sure, he's
Speaker 4: breaking out, but there's usually someone that is during Fantasy
Speaker 4: Sweet Week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I just think that's so hard to go
Speaker 3: into a long term committed relationship with that mentality.
Speaker 4: I just think that that mentality is if they did
Speaker 4: end up together, would make it very hard for him
Speaker 4: to watch the show back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's also that.
Speaker 4: Because he obviously, you know, has been you know, dealt
Speaker 4: with infidelity in the past and it's a soft spot
Speaker 4: for him.
Speaker 3: Also, Devin was the one guy that we interviewed that
Speaker 3: was very vocal about Jen's X coming back and if
Speaker 3: he stayed. He said, I'm gone, Yeah, Like he wouldn't
Speaker 3: even like that, And to me, that's kind of all.
Speaker 2: These guys are now gens X's technically, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But that was kind of like a sign of like, well,
Speaker 3: if this X comes back, that's a hard note. Like
Speaker 3: I just feel like Devin has things he's fine with
Speaker 3: and things he's not, and if it's if he's not
Speaker 3: okay with it, then he can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But I will say like people that come on this
Speaker 4: show as a contestant who have been cheated on in
Speaker 4: past relationships do usually take this point in the journey
Speaker 4: very like they feel like they're getting cheated on.
Speaker 3: Well, his every guy on the show on this season
Speaker 3: been cheated on, because I feel like every single guy.
Speaker 2: That fantasy is different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like every guy.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying is every guy on this season
Speaker 3: has sat down legend and talked about how he's been
Speaker 3: cheated on.
Speaker 1: Past six guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I don't know, but yeah, most
Speaker 3: of these guys in the season have been cheated on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also shout out Jesse. He's doing chats with everyone in
Speaker 4: these days. He's playing golf with Marcus. Well, Marcus is
Speaker 4: going through it sitting at a bar.
Speaker 3: Well, to me, Marcus needs someone, Like I think Marcus
Speaker 3: is in a spot where he really needs to talk
Speaker 3: about this HM because he, like you said, I think
Speaker 3: he's having a serious internal battle right now and he
Speaker 3: can't really decipher what's what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do think he needs to kind of
Speaker 1: talk it out.
Speaker 4: I think Devin he's to talking out too, because he's
Speaker 4: in his head totally spiraling right now about the fact
Speaker 4: that he said I love you shouldn't say it.
Speaker 3: Back with Devin's just talking and I feel like he's
Speaker 3: he's just I think the more Devin talks about it.
Speaker 2: He's spiraling himself deeper and deeper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just something I do.
Speaker 4: I mean, he needs to talk to Jen on to
Speaker 4: the point where he's saying, like she says she cares
Speaker 4: about me, but like I don't feel it. He just
Speaker 4: needs to talk to her, so thank god he went
Speaker 4: to her room. We'll see tonight, I believe how that
Speaker 4: all plays out. So stay tuned because it's gonna if
Speaker 4: it could be Devin leaves because Jen's just not there
Speaker 4: and he is, or he freaks out and can't do
Speaker 4: it anymore. Jonathan Leeves it's kind of seems like he's
Speaker 4: the one that's a little step behind. Or Marcus sends
Speaker 4: himself home. Or Jen could just be like I'm too
Speaker 4: far past where you are, like you're never going to
Speaker 4: catch up to me, and like there's no point in
Speaker 4: furthering this relationship.
Speaker 2: It could really go one of three ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lucky happen. We'll see.
Speaker 3: I'm actually I really I usually feel like I have
Speaker 3: a good idea what's going to happen. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm actually excited to see how this all plays out.
Speaker 3: And yeah, thank you everyone. That's a recap. Thank you
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Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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