WEBVTT - Diamonds or Dire Straits? 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:04.080 Hey, every well, welcome back to Bechler Happy Hour. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:05.880 I'm Joe and I'm Serena. 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:11.960 We are here to recap another episode of the Bachelorette. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.040 But it is Fantasy Sweet Week and the season went 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:16.279 by pretty quick, it did. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.320 And tonight, don't forget to tune in to the Men 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.400 tell All All your favorites are back, as well as 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.799 our favorite Bacherette, Jen. We'll be making an appearance and 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.120 then tomorrow be sure to tune into Bachelor Happy Hour 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.440 as we will be live from the Tell All interviewing 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:32.919 a couple of your favorite men. 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.000 I enjoy the live roundtable. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:36.120 Me too. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:40.560 I actually think this was my favorite mentell All interview 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.360 segment that we've done. Every one of the guys came 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:47.559 with such good energy, different personalities, different perspectives, and we 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.120 had a lot of really fun chats. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:49.480 Yeah. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:52.919 You get everyone when they are still riding the high 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:54.920 of a reunion show. 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.200 Yeah, and just finishing those reunions, the adrenaline still going, 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.760 but you're also feeling so relieved that it's done, so 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:03.319 it's a great time to get to talk to them. 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:10.760 And within Bachlorination, we have I think five people announcing pregnancies. 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.600 Yeah, It's a baby boom in Bachlorination for sure these 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:15.400 past few weeks. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:20.160 So you have a former Bachelorette Andy Dorfmann, former Bachelor 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:27.520 Ben Higgins, Tia is having another baby, Madison Pruett, and. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.320 I believe her name is Jenna Cooper. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.959 Jenna Cooper who was actually on my season of my 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.960 first season on Bachelor in Paradise. So congrats to all 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:38.319 of them. 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.920 May they have beautiful healthy babies. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:42.320 Yes, we're so happy. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.160 It's always fun to see the love and the babies 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:50.080 come all together in Bachelorination. So congrats to everyone, and 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.080 we are wishing you guys safe, happy, healthy pregnancies and children. 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.880 We also, speaking of Bachelor Nation events, saw a lot 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.720 of our Bachlination favorite It's Charity and Dotton, Ben Higgins, 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:07.040 Natasha Parker, Daisy the list goes on and on. Susie 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:11.640 and Kathy were there at the iHeartRadio Golf tournament event 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.360 in San Francisco. 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.679 Yep, we were supposed to go, but our flight got 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.240 canceled and Air Canada and decided to rebook us with 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.160 only one option, which was two and a half days later. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.880 I did, like insane, I was. I was so upset 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:27.520 about that and the best is we didn't even know 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:31.280 our flight was canceled until four thirty in the morning. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.880 Well it got canceled at like four twenty am. Yeah, 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.880 and our flight we were waking up at five am 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.200 to leave for our flight, fully packed, ready to go. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:41.320 It was crazy. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.760 I was on hold with Air Canada for two hours 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.359 waiting to get through for them to be like, yeah, no, 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:48.800 like there's nothing we can do. 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:50.600 Which, look, stuff happens. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.720 If you follow us on Instagram, you're fully versed because 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.840 we were updating you guys like crazy on our have. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:01.359 A backup airlines, like have some more back up in place. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.320 The fact that we couldn't fly out for two more days, 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.600 I I'm just not okay with. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.440 That, I know. And Joe's been working really hard on 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:09.040 his golfing. 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.720 I had a cute golf outfit all lined up, we 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.040 were ready to go. So it was a huge bummer. Honestly, 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.280 we were down in the dumps for two days. 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:17.839 But it was nice. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.360 We got to spend some more time with my family 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.919 and we will hopefully make the next. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.960 I Heard event with all of our favorite people. 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.760 Yeah, but we want to change our attitudes because right 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.040 now our attitudes are very negative, and that's not a 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.919 fun way to podcast. So let's change our attitudes and 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:35.640 get into the recap. 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.560 So we have fantasy. 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.360 Suites, fantasy suits. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.160 Who is first up? Devin? Devin is first up. 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:48.960 They are in Hawaii, which I just really want to 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.560 go to Hawaii. Every time I see it, it just 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.240 calls to me. It speaks to me. I feel like 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.800 my soul would feel so at peace there. It just 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.720 looks so beautiful, so much nature. I love being in 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:01.560 open water. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:03.400 I mean, we could go. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.880 I know every strata doesn't know how to book a trip. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.680 That's not true. That is not true. What do you 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:10.960 think I did until I met you? 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:11.840 I don't know. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:13.840 I don't know if because I know that when you 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.960 first met me, when we were staying in Chicago, that 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:18.919 was the first time you were booking flights. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:19.440 That's true. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.680 Actually tell me that it's true. 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.039 I never booked a flight for myself until Joe and 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.320 I met. I wasn't traveling that much, or I usually 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.359 had help doing it. Like I would sit down with 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:30.839 like a friend or like my mom, and they would 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:31.120 help me. 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.680 But we travel a lot. I could book a trip. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.159 You're just very good at booking trips, so I usually 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:36.880 let you do it. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:38.480 Well, I mean, if you want to jump on the 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:39.920 Hawaii research. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:40.680 Go for it. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:41.640 Hawaii. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.640 Is it so expensive during the winter, which is the 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.560 time of year you want to go to Hawaii? Yeah, 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.200 so maybe next summer we'll go. It's literally my dream. 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:51.760 It's my dream I've always wanted to go. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.840 There was anyone from Fairmount is listening to this podcast 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:55.880 and they want to hook us up? 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.039 Yeah, or any airlines that want to make up for 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.839 a terrible travel and wants to fly us out there. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:05.120 We are open to offers, but anyway or Bachelor if 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.159 you guys want to have us composed to date when 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.640 you guys are in Hawaii next We're totally available. 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.440 But they're in Hawaii. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.960 Back on track, we open with a chat with Mollie, 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.080 who we saw in the Seattle date. Her and Jason 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.839 had been together for years. Jason was the bachelor. I 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.520 actually loved this conversation. I thought she was great. I 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.960 think they should definitely bring her back for more chats. 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:27.599 Yeah. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.400 I feel like we got a lot out of Jen. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.680 I feel like Mollie directed the conversation where I wanted 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.760 it to go. I feel like she was really encouraging. 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:38.919 She was giving like big sister vibes. 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.080 I thought it was great. I really liked Mollie. 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.960 I mean, yeah, if well, maybe a completely honest my issue, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:51.320 I don't really have an issue. I'm just not sold 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:55.200 that Jen's ready for an engagement. If I'm gonna be 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.640 completely honest, if we're all watching the same show, I 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:00.920 just don't know if I fully see that yet. 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.800 Okay, that's an interesting take. Why do you think that. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.040 I just I don't know. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.160 Maybe I don't know if it's that she's not ready 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:15.480 or I just I don't know. If I'm seeing her 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:21.240 have the conversations that would be taking it would be 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.960 like really getting to know. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.880 I don't know. I don't know exactly. I can't really 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:28.600 pinpoint it. 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:33.440 I will add on to what you're saying. I think 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:37.520 what we're seeing with Jen is, as she's expressed, she's 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.160 been in a lot of toxic relationships in her past. 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.719 I think this might be the first time she in 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:52.680 her life is exploring healthy, stable relationships that could legitimately 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:53.280 lead to. 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.840 Merit, and she openly admits that once she shies away 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.440 from them. Yeah, So I think maybe it's just that 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.560 it's that because I don't want to compare her to Charity, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.839 but I remember watching Charity season and recapping Charity Season, 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.880 and at this point in the show, there was no 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:14.560 doubt in my mind that Charity like Charity, was ready, 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.520 and that's really how it came across. 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.560 And she was driving that show from day one towards engagement, 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.040 and she was very very vocal about engagement and if 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.240 you're not here for that, get out, Yeah, that's what 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.680 I'm looking for. I think Jen is on more of 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:33.600 an explorer's journey, and she's learning a lot about herself, 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.920 and she's discovering things about how she is in relationships 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.840 and what she's looking for, and I feel like that 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:46.560 storyline has maybe pushed the engagement to the back seat 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:47.120 a little bit. 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:48.200 So you agree with me. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.600 It's not that I don't think she's ready. 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.720 It's just that I think that there's a lot of 0:07:54.160 --> 0:08:00.320 newness and experiences happening and growth that maybe by the 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.080 end she'll be ready. But I think we're I think 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.000 we're taking steps in the right direction. But I don't 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.480 know if she necessarily came on this show in a 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.520 place where she was like I am. I think maybe 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.280 she came on like thinking she was ready, and I 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.760 honestly think that she through this journey has learned a 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.560 lot about herself that I also. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.280 Don't think that there's anything wrong with not being ready. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.640 I don't think you and I were truly ready and 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:23.640 we did it and it worked. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.480 You don't think at the ripe page of thirty five 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:27.960 you were ready to get engaged. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.559 I don't know if I I mentally was fully there. 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.000 Really, yeah, I feel like you were. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.480 Maybe I was, but I mean, yeah, there's still there's 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.040 still time left to see where this all goes. 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.520 But I do feel like the tone is less like. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.839 I am looking for a husband and it's more like 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.840 this journey of self exploration and growth. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:55.320 Okay. 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.680 I feel like that's really the narrative we're getting from Jen. Okay, 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.040 So okay, say okay one more time. 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.760 What I can just tell when you're like shut ups 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:08.880 or you know, we're done on this topic. 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:09.600 We're trying to move. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:18.760 On, Okay. So Devin and her. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.560 I didn't expect Devon to be number one. 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:27.839 No, I'm I actually yeah, I'm glad he was. And 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.679 this was the first time that I've seen them together, 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.880 and I'm kind of questioning it it now because I, 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:42.000 for I have really been a believer that Jen was 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:47.120 really really into Devon. Yeah, but after watching this whole 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:52.400 this whole episode, I'm actually I'm like, oh, she's really. 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.280 Into Marcus totally. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.959 And Devin seems to be much more into Jen than 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:03.080 I thought he was, and that I think she's into him. 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:05.839 And what I kind of worry about is I feel 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:13.000 like Jen is coming across with I'm I don't know, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.920 like Devin is perfect, Like Devin is telling me everything 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.640 I want to hear. I usually don't get this in 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:25.360 a relationship. Why can't I just be fully committed to this? 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.880 She seems to say she feels like it's too good 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.560 to be true with Devin, Yeah, which is interesting because 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.200 Devon's been at like the heart of the drama this 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:34.640 whole time. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.320 Yeah, but she also I don't know if she knows 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:37.080 her right. 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:38.719 No, she doesn't. I mean, I'm sure she knew in 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:40.400 the beginning. There's a little conflict because it was kind 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:44.240 of going on in her face. But yeah, she feels 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:45.480 like it's too good to be true in terms of 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.280 like how he acts with her and what he says 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:47.840 towards her. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.000 And now we were starting to see Devins spiral, which 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.000 I am when someone does this. At this point, I 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.160 also want to be like, you do have to realize 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:03.079 that there are you're on a show and there's multiple 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:03.960 there's all other guys. 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.840 Yeah, that's why he's freaking out because there are other 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:07.400 guys there. 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.800 I know, But he also has to give her some 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:16.120 grace and understand her situation, like put yourself in that situation, 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:20.920 because she can't fully It would be foolish if she 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.120 fully committed to him at this point. There is other 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:28.720 guys there and she doesn't know. Yeah, and I don't know. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:29.160 That's why. 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:30.840 It's like one of those things where guys go on 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.880 the show and they're like, I've never watched the show, 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:35.680 but this is kind of what you need to watch 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:37.640 it for because this is what happens. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.040 I think. Yeah, I don't know. It's so hard to tell. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:47.000 Because Jen actually I felt like she seemed so happy 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.600 on this date, like she was just beaming. She seemed 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.600 to relax, she seemed herself, but then she did kind 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.040 of seem like that on the other dates as well. 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.840 But I was just like, wow, she seems really happy 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.760 with Devin, and Devin is looking for those things of 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.720 wife and kids and a family, and those seem to 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.000 be the things Jen's looking for as well, But she 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.080 wonders if she's self sabotaging, kind of waiting for the 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.800 other shoe to drop, Whereas I feel like with Marcus 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.880 there have been kind of like barriers and struggles in 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.040 terms of like the ability to get there and emotional growth. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.280 And I just feel like she's like, Oh, it's good 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.880 that we're struggling here and now, and I see that, 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:27.720 and I don't want to leave this with Devin and 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.160 then find out like then struggle on the outside, you 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:30.680 know what I mean. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:35.000 Do you think it's as simple as Jen wants something 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:39.080 that she potentially can have, which I think everyone falls 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:39.760 victim to that. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.440 Maybe I do think her and Marcus have an amazing connection, 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:49.560 but I think that there's something a little psychological with 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.720 being the lead of this show. And I mean, I've 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.600 never asked to lead this. They might be like, you 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.679 don't know what you're talking about, But being the lead 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.400 of the show, you have so many people idolizing you 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.040 and telling you like, this is my wife and you're 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.000 the one for me, and you're beautiful and perfect in 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:12.280 every way and then to have someone that like is 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:16.520 giving you a little resistance. I think there's refreshing, refreshment. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.440 I think it's a refreshing I think there's a bit 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.400 of a challenge and excitement there that you don't necessarily 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.160 get with the people that are all in from day one, 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.800 that like don't even know you. And I think it 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.360 just feels a little more real because. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.920 It's like, yeah, I agree with that, especially with this 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:33.920 season two, because. 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.840 I feel like a lot of the guys came at her. 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:39.720 Like with so hard and so fast. 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.920 Yeah, like very strong, like I'm fully committed, like I'm 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:47.000 ready for engagement. But yeah, I mean they leave. I 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:51.000 mean Jen seems once they part ways, Devin and Jen, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:56.800 Jen seems happy totally. Devin is the one that's expressing 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.560 the fact that, like this is really hard, he's not 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.640 receiving what he's giving, and yeah, this is when I'm 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.920 kind of like, well, Devin, like, yeah, there's two other guys. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:09.679 Well. 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.080 I thought it was interesting too because he obviously tells 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.480 Jen that he's in love with her and she doesn't 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:15.120 say it back. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.160 I think that Devon probably thought she might say it back. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:24.000 In the Fantasy Suite, because he seems pretty like rattled, 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.760 but okay until the Fantasy Suite's done, and then he 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:28.880 openly says, like, I said it again in the Fantasy 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.000 Suite and she still didn't say it back, which like 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:32.640 if there's a time to say it back and you're 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:34.120 trying to like kind of like be sneaky of it, 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.960 it's in the Fantasy Suite, And to me, that tells 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:39.360 me she's not in love with it. I think she 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.520 explicitly says like, I'm not in love with Oh yeah, 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.120 she does. Jen thinks I wrote. Jen thinks she'll know 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.120 it when she knows it, but she's not in love yet. 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.440 So Devin is ahead of Jen in this situation for 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.640 sure in terms of his feelings, and he absolutely is 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:55.200 freaking out. 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.480 Yeah yeah, Okay. Then moving on to the next one 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:08.000 is Jonathan. Jonathan I just think really slow played his 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:12.400 relationship with Jen, and I feel like he's he's the 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:16.080 third guy, and it feels like he's in third place. 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:16.480 A little bit. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.240 Yeah, especially from just the things that we see in 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.240 this episode in terms of Devin's in love with Jen, 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.720 but Jonathan, it just feels like he's a step behind. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:33.680 Yeah, it's giving yet it's almost flirting with like friend zone. Really, 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:37.200 you think if there weren't attracted to each other, I 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.320 think there's an attraction there, but I just I think 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.000 it's more like we're attracted to each other. Like I 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:47.000 think Jonathan is there because he's good looking, and it 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.440 was like and he's likable, and I think there's somewhat 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.280 of a friendship there, and I think he. 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.520 Was the Really, I don't know if I agree with that. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.760 I feel like I've seen fantasy suites where it's like 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.760 there's an obvious place, dude, and it's either they're super 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.920 hot the girl, the guy is like amazing good looking, 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.720 You're like okay, I feel like they're just here because 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.960 like there's an attraction, or the opposite, where it's like 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.200 there's no sexual chemistry and they're just here because like 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.480 they're funny or they get along. I feel like Jonathan 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.360 has both, just not to the extent that she does 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.200 with Devin and Marcus. And I do think he comments 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:22.480 he says something at the beginning of the day where 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.920 he's like, she doesn't know enough about me for me 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.560 to feel comfortable proposing to her yet, and I want 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.360 to be like, well, Jonathan pick up the pace man and. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.680 You're almost there, And she said that, but it also 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.680 she says that, I also don't think. 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:37.280 She really cares as much. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.160 Like I also she's not trying to get to know. 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.360 Yeah, Like I also think that that's a little on 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.680 Jen of like, if you war really into him, you 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:46.760 are the lead. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.640 You could push, you could push a little too. 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.200 Yeah, ask some questions, let's go interrogate the man. 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.040 Yeah, and which I feel like she does with Marcus. 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:54.520 She does. 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.600 I feel like she she really drives those because I 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:57.720 feel like Marcus. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:02.320 Is much more reserved than Jonathan. But but Jen pushes 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.639 Marcus more and then Marcus opens up where I just 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:11.600 don't see that with Jonathan. So yeah, I mean, I 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.280 but I don't know because right now, after seeing Marcus 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:20.200 in Devin goal, I kind of put them both in 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:20.880 the same. 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.760 Boat, Marcus and Devin. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.400 Yeah, because I could I could see, like I could 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.440 see we see a teaser at the beginning of the episode, 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.280 and then we see it at the end of the episode. 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.360 But Devin's gonna confront Jen go to her room. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.480 And I wait, do you mean you put Marcus and 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.879 Devin in the same boat or Jonathan and Jonathan and Devin. Okays, 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:41.640 we haven't. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:42.840 Talked about Marcus yet. We'll get there. 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.520 But I agree because she's not in love with Devin either, 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:47.680 and she's not in love with Jonathan, so for all 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.120 we know, like her feelings for Jonathan could be more escalating. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:52.960 And I could see Devin going to her room and 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.159 being like, you know, and I could see her being like, 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:56.680 I'm just not there. 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.120 So see, because we've seen. 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.399 That in the past few seas where you know, someone 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.560 towards the end goes and confronts the lead and it's 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.560 it's somewhat worked, but like, I'm kind of waiting for 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.200 that to not work. 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.800 Yeah, I feel like that conversation could really go either way, 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.160 you know. I mean, I do think she's really into Devin. 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.800 I feel like they have a very natural chemistry. But 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.840 she didn't say it back because she doesn't feel it 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:25.879 or she's not there yet at least or ready to 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:30.040 say it, and he did. So, Yeah, that conversation's gonna 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:31.480 go one two ways. Either she's gonna be like, no, 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.160 I do feel these things for you, or she's gonna say, look, 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.400 I'm just not there and I don't know if I'm 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.639 going to get there and if you like feel like 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:39.719 you gotta go, you gotta go. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:44.399 Yeah, I'm confused with the Devin and Jenn of at all, 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.480 which I going into this, I really wasn't. 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.160 I was really I really had. 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.040 I was really like, Jen's really in the hymn, He's 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.640 really in the her and that's gonna work. 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:00.400 Yeah, And I think I was wrong with how much 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.120 I thought Jen was into Devon Yeah. 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:04.120 And Marcus. 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.919 Yeah, I think like we thought it was like Devin 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.800 and then Marcus like a couple of notches down and 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:10.879 I would flip that. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:20.000 Yeah, so let's go to Marcus. Marcus's date. 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.000 Also, they did something really cool where they like night 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.200 and they like went underwater and. 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.159 That was one of the coolest date activities I've ever 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:30.359 seen it. 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:31.680 Yeah, that looked like a lot of fun. 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:38.240 They go to they have deeper conversations Marcus. Marcus is like, 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.320