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Speaker 1: Hey, every well, welcome back to Bechler Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena.

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Speaker 3: We are here to recap another episode of the Bachelorette.

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Speaker 3: But it is Fantasy Sweet Week and the season went

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Speaker 3: by pretty quick, it did.

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Speaker 4: And tonight, don't forget to tune in to the Men

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Speaker 4: tell All All your favorites are back, as well as

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Speaker 4: our favorite Bacherette, Jen. We'll be making an appearance and

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Speaker 4: then tomorrow be sure to tune into Bachelor Happy Hour

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Speaker 4: as we will be live from the Tell All interviewing

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Speaker 4: a couple of your favorite men.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy the live roundtable.

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Speaker 2: Me too.

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Speaker 4: I actually think this was my favorite mentell All interview

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Speaker 4: segment that we've done. Every one of the guys came

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Speaker 4: with such good energy, different personalities, different perspectives, and we

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Speaker 4: had a lot of really fun chats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You get everyone when they are still riding the high

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Speaker 3: of a reunion show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and just finishing those reunions, the adrenaline still going,

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Speaker 4: but you're also feeling so relieved that it's done, so

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Speaker 4: it's a great time to get to talk to them.

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Speaker 3: And within Bachlorination, we have I think five people announcing pregnancies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, It's a baby boom in Bachlorination for sure these

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Speaker 4: past few weeks.

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Speaker 3: So you have a former Bachelorette Andy Dorfmann, former Bachelor

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Speaker 3: Ben Higgins, Tia is having another baby, Madison Pruett, and.

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Speaker 2: I believe her name is Jenna Cooper.

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Speaker 3: Jenna Cooper who was actually on my season of my

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Speaker 3: first season on Bachelor in Paradise. So congrats to all

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Speaker 3: of them.

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Speaker 1: May they have beautiful healthy babies.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're so happy.

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Speaker 4: It's always fun to see the love and the babies

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Speaker 4: come all together in Bachelorination. So congrats to everyone, and

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Speaker 4: we are wishing you guys safe, happy, healthy pregnancies and children.

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Speaker 4: We also, speaking of Bachelor Nation events, saw a lot

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Speaker 4: of our Bachlination favorite It's Charity and Dotton, Ben Higgins,

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Speaker 4: Natasha Parker, Daisy the list goes on and on. Susie

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Speaker 4: and Kathy were there at the iHeartRadio Golf tournament event

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Speaker 4: in San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: Yep, we were supposed to go, but our flight got

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Speaker 3: canceled and Air Canada and decided to rebook us with

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Speaker 3: only one option, which was two and a half days later.

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Speaker 3: I did, like insane, I was. I was so upset

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Speaker 3: about that and the best is we didn't even know

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Speaker 3: our flight was canceled until four thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 4: Well it got canceled at like four twenty am. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and our flight we were waking up at five am

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Speaker 4: to leave for our flight, fully packed, ready to go.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy.

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Speaker 4: I was on hold with Air Canada for two hours

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Speaker 4: waiting to get through for them to be like, yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: like there's nothing we can do.

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Speaker 2: Which, look, stuff happens.

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Speaker 4: If you follow us on Instagram, you're fully versed because

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Speaker 4: we were updating you guys like crazy on our have.

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Speaker 3: A backup airlines, like have some more back up in place.

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Speaker 3: The fact that we couldn't fly out for two more days,

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Speaker 3: I I'm just not okay with.

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Speaker 2: That, I know. And Joe's been working really hard on

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Speaker 2: his golfing.

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Speaker 4: I had a cute golf outfit all lined up, we

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Speaker 4: were ready to go. So it was a huge bummer. Honestly,

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Speaker 4: we were down in the dumps for two days.

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Speaker 2: But it was nice.

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Speaker 4: We got to spend some more time with my family

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Speaker 4: and we will hopefully make the next.

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Speaker 2: I Heard event with all of our favorite people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we want to change our attitudes because right

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Speaker 3: now our attitudes are very negative, and that's not a

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Speaker 3: fun way to podcast. So let's change our attitudes and

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Speaker 3: get into the recap.

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Speaker 1: So we have fantasy.

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Speaker 2: Suites, fantasy suits.

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Speaker 1: Who is first up? Devin? Devin is first up.

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Speaker 4: They are in Hawaii, which I just really want to

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Speaker 4: go to Hawaii. Every time I see it, it just

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Speaker 4: calls to me. It speaks to me. I feel like

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Speaker 4: my soul would feel so at peace there. It just

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Speaker 4: looks so beautiful, so much nature. I love being in

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Speaker 1: I mean, we could go.

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Speaker 3: I know every strata doesn't know how to book a trip.

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Speaker 2: That's not true. That is not true. What do you

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Speaker 2: think I did until I met you?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if because I know that when you

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Speaker 3: first met me, when we were staying in Chicago, that

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Speaker 3: was the first time you were booking flights.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: Actually tell me that it's true.

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Speaker 4: I never booked a flight for myself until Joe and

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Speaker 4: I met. I wasn't traveling that much, or I usually

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Speaker 4: had help doing it. Like I would sit down with

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Speaker 2: But we travel a lot. I could book a trip.

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Speaker 4: You're just very good at booking trips, so I usually

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if you want to jump on the

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Speaker 3: Hawaii research.

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Speaker 1: Go for it.

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Speaker 2: Hawaii.

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Speaker 4: Is it so expensive during the winter, which is the

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Speaker 4: time of year you want to go to Hawaii? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so maybe next summer we'll go. It's literally my dream.

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Speaker 4: It's my dream I've always wanted to go.

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Speaker 3: There was anyone from Fairmount is listening to this podcast

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Speaker 3: and they want to hook us up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, or any airlines that want to make up for

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Speaker 4: a terrible travel and wants to fly us out there.

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Speaker 4: We are open to offers, but anyway or Bachelor if

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Speaker 4: you guys want to have us composed to date when

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Speaker 4: you guys are in Hawaii next We're totally available.

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Speaker 2: But they're in Hawaii.

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Speaker 4: Back on track, we open with a chat with Mollie,

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Speaker 4: who we saw in the Seattle date. Her and Jason

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Speaker 4: had been together for years. Jason was the bachelor. I

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Speaker 4: actually loved this conversation. I thought she was great. I

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Speaker 4: think they should definitely bring her back for more chats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I feel like we got a lot out of Jen.

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Speaker 4: I feel like Mollie directed the conversation where I wanted

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Speaker 4: it to go. I feel like she was really encouraging.

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Speaker 4: She was giving like big sister vibes.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was great. I really liked Mollie.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, if well, maybe a completely honest my issue,

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Speaker 3: I don't really have an issue. I'm just not sold

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Speaker 3: that Jen's ready for an engagement. If I'm gonna be

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Speaker 3: just don't know if I fully see that yet.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's an interesting take. Why do you think that.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know if it's that she's not ready

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Speaker 3: or I just I don't know. If I'm seeing her

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know exactly. I can't really

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Speaker 4: I will add on to what you're saying. I think

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Speaker 4: what we're seeing with Jen is, as she's expressed, she's

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Speaker 4: been in a lot of toxic relationships in her past.

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Speaker 4: I think this might be the first time she in

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Speaker 4: her life is exploring healthy, stable relationships that could legitimately

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Speaker 3: Merit, and she openly admits that once she shies away

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Speaker 3: it's that because I don't want to compare her to Charity,

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Speaker 3: but I remember watching Charity season and recapping Charity Season,

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Speaker 3: and at this point in the show, there was no

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Speaker 3: doubt in my mind that Charity like Charity, was ready,

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Speaker 3: and that's really how it came across.

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Speaker 4: And she was driving that show from day one towards engagement,

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Speaker 4: and she was very very vocal about engagement and if

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Speaker 4: you're not here for that, get out, Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for. I think Jen is on more of

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Speaker 4: an explorer's journey, and she's learning a lot about herself,

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Speaker 4: and she's discovering things about how she is in relationships

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Speaker 4: and what she's looking for, and I feel like that

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Speaker 4: storyline has maybe pushed the engagement to the back seat

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Speaker 1: So you agree with me.

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Speaker 2: It's not that I don't think she's ready.

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Speaker 4: It's just that I think that there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: end she'll be ready. But I think we're I think

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Speaker 4: we're taking steps in the right direction. But I don't

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Speaker 4: she came on like thinking she was ready, and I

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Speaker 4: honestly think that she through this journey has learned a

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Speaker 3: Don't think that there's anything wrong with not being ready.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you and I were truly ready and

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Speaker 4: You don't think at the ripe page of thirty five

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I I mentally was fully there.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I was, but I mean, yeah, there's still there's

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Speaker 4: still time left to see where this all goes.

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Speaker 2: But I do feel like the tone is less like.

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Speaker 4: I am looking for a husband and it's more like

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Speaker 4: this journey of self exploration and growth.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's really the narrative we're getting from Jen. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So okay, say okay one more time.

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Speaker 4: What I can just tell when you're like shut ups

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Speaker 4: or you know, we're done on this topic.

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Speaker 2: We're trying to move.

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Speaker 1: On, Okay. So Devin and her.

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Speaker 2: I didn't expect Devon to be number one.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm I actually yeah, I'm glad he was. And

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Speaker 3: this was the first time that I've seen them together,

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Speaker 3: and I'm kind of questioning it it now because I,

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Speaker 3: for I have really been a believer that Jen was

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Speaker 3: really really into Devon. Yeah, but after watching this whole

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Speaker 1: Into Marcus totally.

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Speaker 3: And Devin seems to be much more into Jen than

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Speaker 3: I thought he was, and that I think she's into him.

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Speaker 3: And what I kind of worry about is I feel

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Speaker 3: like Jen is coming across with I'm I don't know,

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Speaker 3: like Devin is perfect, Like Devin is telling me everything

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Speaker 3: I want to hear. I usually don't get this in

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Speaker 3: a relationship. Why can't I just be fully committed to this?

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Speaker 4: She seems to say she feels like it's too good

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Speaker 4: to be true with Devin, Yeah, which is interesting because

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Speaker 4: Devon's been at like the heart of the drama this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but she also I don't know if she knows

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Speaker 4: No, she doesn't. I mean, I'm sure she knew in

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Speaker 3: And now we were starting to see Devins spiral, which

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Speaker 3: I am when someone does this. At this point, I

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Speaker 1: I agree with you.

444
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Speaker 4: The only time I've seen it where it really surprised

445
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 4: me was I think it was Daisy that was like,

446
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 4: I'm not there yet, but then she actually got there

447
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, I was not expecting that.

448
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 4: But those who still didn't end up together because his

449
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 4: relationship will Him and Kelsey are just like beautiful and

450
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 4: soulmates in in love. But like I do think that

451
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 4: holds the relationship back.

452
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: If you ever didn't you see, didn't you see Marcus.

453
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 5: Seem to.

454
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 3: Get a little giddy or happier when he heard Jen

455
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 3: finally say that she was in love with him.

456
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 4: Because giddy would be the word I use. I mean,

457
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 4: he was like solemnly crying.

458
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then it's it seemed like that information.

459
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 4: Touched him and probably allowed him to like let another

460
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 4: guard down.

461
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, because maybe just maybe just not hearing that and

462
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 3: then maybe you know, after Fantasy Suites and then meeting

463
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 3: her family, he could.

464
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 4: Get there totally. And I hope that he does. I'm

465
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 4: just hesitant to think that he will. Especially he was

466
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 4: talking and I wanted to be like, get it out, man,

467
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 4: like what is going on? Because I was like, either

468
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 4: he's gonna say I'm in love with you, he's gonna

469
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 4: say I'm not in love with you, He's.

470
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: Gonna send himself home.

471
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 4: Like the whole conversation was teetering on this, Like like,

472
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 4: I think that conversation, if it had gone differently, could

473
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 4: have led to him going home. That was the energy

474
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 4: I was getting. Or maybe he was just so nervous

475
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 4: that that was the energy he was exuding. But I

476
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 4: think Jen saying well, I'm gonna be honest, I'm in

477
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 4: love with you pushed it towards him, saying and continuing

478
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 4: to try to make it work.

479
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: All right, hypothetical here before we end this recap.

480
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: Okay, and then I have one more thing to say.

481
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: Okay, do you want to say that now?

482
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 2: Yeah? I want to say it quickly.

483
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 4: I do think my last point on this topic about Marcus,

484
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people that come on this show

485
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 4: with a significant amount of childhood trauma, relationship trauma, et cetera.

486
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 4: And I think it can make it very difficult when

487
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 4: you're in the environment to determine am I not falling

488
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 4: for this person because of what I've been through in

489
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 4: my past and I'm letting it homeway back because the

490
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 4: environment is just not cohesive to me as a person

491
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 4: here on the show, or because I'm just not that

492
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 4: to the lead and I just don't. I think Marcus

493
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 4: is having an internal battle right now about like why

494
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 4: he's not getting there, and I think it it might

495
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 4: just be like Jen's not his person.

496
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, so let's say let's say it's let's say

497
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: it's Devin and Marcus.

498
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Devin and Marcus.

499
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: Okay, And.

500
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: Like hypothetically, Jonathan goes home.

501
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 3: Hypothetically, Jenna, I think, goes home, Marcus never gets there

502
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 3: and tells Jen, I'm never going to get there. Devon's

503
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: there and Jen's not there with Devon. If you're devn,

504
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: are you like, are you okay with that? Because no,

505
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 3: I'd like that to me is the that But I

506
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: think some people that is always like watching this show.

507
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: To me, that is the most difficult position to be in,

508
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 3: and I think the hardest thing to get over. If

509
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 3: you feel and there's a kind of enough evidence that

510
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 3: you're second place, that's tough.

511
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. The only way that

512
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 4: if it's Marcus and Devin that are the final two,

513
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 4: which like we still don't know because this could play

514
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 4: out in a variety of different ways. I think there's

515
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 4: also a chance that Jen is feeling really strongly for Devon,

516
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 4: but because I think he was. I think the leads

517
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 4: have the most restraint on the first Fantasy suite. They

518
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 4: hold the most back. They want to be respectful, they

519
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 4: want to be mindful. They have two more I think

520
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 4: Marcus being the third one. I also think Marcus having

521
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 4: a really really hard time is what led to Jen

522
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: saying she's in love with him.

523
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

524
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 4: I'm trying to like, there's so many different ways that

525
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 4: this could go. But if I was Devin, and it

526
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: like you were in love with Marcus but you weren't

527
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: in love with me yet, and then Marcus couldn't get there,

528
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: and now it's me and you.

529
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: But I feel like second choice, like that would be

530
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: very hard.

531
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: That would be hard.

532
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: But also it's like it is still a expedited experience

533
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: and in the real world, like you know, you could

534
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 3: have been wrong, Like it really could be Devin, Like

535
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: Devin actually does make the most sense, really into him,

536
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 3: so it's like.

537
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 4: It's worth giving it a shot if he's down and

538
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 4: she's down.

539
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't know, I'm getting I'm I don't

540
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 3: like like Devin's added now that I don't like like

541
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 3: Devin's attitude, but like Devin's attitude right now is not

542
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 3: giving me.

543
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: It's it's glass half empty, not glass half full.

544
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 4: Devon's having a bit of a meltdown, for sure, he's

545
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 4: breaking out, but there's usually someone that is during Fantasy

546
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 4: Sweet Week.

547
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I just think that's so hard to go

548
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 3: into a long term committed relationship with that mentality.

549
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 4: I just think that that mentality is if they did

550
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 4: end up together, would make it very hard for him

551
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 4: to watch the show back.

552
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's also that.

553
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: Because he obviously, you know, has been you know, dealt

554
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 4: with infidelity in the past and it's a soft spot

555
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 4: for him.

556
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 3: Also, Devin was the one guy that we interviewed that

557
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: was very vocal about Jen's X coming back and if

558
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: he stayed. He said, I'm gone, Yeah, Like he wouldn't

559
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: even like that, And to me, that's kind of all.

560
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: These guys are now gens X's technically, Yeah.

561
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: But that was kind of like a sign of like, well,

562
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: if this X comes back, that's a hard note. Like

563
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 3: I just feel like Devin has things he's fine with

564
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: and things he's not, and if it's if he's not

565
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: okay with it, then he can't.

566
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

567
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 4: But I will say like people that come on this

568
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: show as a contestant who have been cheated on in

569
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 4: past relationships do usually take this point in the journey

570
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 4: very like they feel like they're getting cheated on.

571
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 3: Well, his every guy on the show on this season

572
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 3: been cheated on, because I feel like every single guy.

573
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: That fantasy is different.

574
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like every guy.

575
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying is every guy on this season

576
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: has sat down legend and talked about how he's been

577
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: cheated on.

578
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: Past six guys.

579
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.

580
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I don't know, but yeah, most

581
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: of these guys in the season have been cheated on.

582
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

583
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 4: Also shout out Jesse. He's doing chats with everyone in

584
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 4: these days. He's playing golf with Marcus. Well, Marcus is

585
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 4: going through it sitting at a bar.

586
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: Well, to me, Marcus needs someone, Like I think Marcus

587
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 3: is in a spot where he really needs to talk

588
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 3: about this HM because he, like you said, I think

589
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: he's having a serious internal battle right now and he

590
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: can't really decipher what's what.

591
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do think he needs to kind of

592
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: talk it out.

593
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 4: I think Devin he's to talking out too, because he's

594
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: in his head totally spiraling right now about the fact

595
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: that he said I love you shouldn't say it.

596
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: Back with Devin's just talking and I feel like he's

597
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: he's just I think the more Devin talks about it.

598
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: He's spiraling himself deeper and deeper.

599
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just something I do.

600
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: I mean, he needs to talk to Jen on to

601
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 4: the point where he's saying, like she says she cares

602
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 4: about me, but like I don't feel it. He just

603
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 4: needs to talk to her, so thank god he went

604
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: to her room. We'll see tonight, I believe how that

605
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 4: all plays out. So stay tuned because it's gonna if

606
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: it could be Devin leaves because Jen's just not there

607
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 4: and he is, or he freaks out and can't do

608
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: it anymore. Jonathan Leeves it's kind of seems like he's

609
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 4: the one that's a little step behind. Or Marcus sends

610
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: himself home. Or Jen could just be like I'm too

611
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 4: far past where you are, like you're never going to

612
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: catch up to me, and like there's no point in

613
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 4: furthering this relationship.

614
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: It could really go one of three ways.

615
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, lucky happen. We'll see.

616
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: I'm actually I really I usually feel like I have

617
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: a good idea what's going to happen. I don't know.

618
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: I'm actually excited to see how this all plays out.

619
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: And yeah, thank you everyone. That's a recap. Thank you

620
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: for listening to Bachelor Happy Hour, and make sure you

621
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: subscribe a new episode weekly and new interviews.

622
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Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you very much.

623
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

624
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Speaker 4: Enjoy watching The Mental All tonight and be sure to

625
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Speaker 4: tune into our Mental All interviews tomorrow