1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. Welcome to stuff. I 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: never told you production I hurted you. 3 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: So today is because I feel like we're gonna have 4 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: to do some timelines and time stamping. They stamping? What 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: what are those things? 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: Time stamps? Yeah, you're right, time stamps? 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, I think I'm thinking about 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: now like work time stamps. Oh do you have to 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: use those? 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: I've never had to use those. 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so many times I've worked at like different 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: like corporations and companies and like menial jobs that I 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: definitely had those and you had to line them up perfectly. 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: Those were really nerve wracking. Anyway, back to my original point, 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: digital time stamp, meaning we are going to do it 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 2: for our podcast because we wanted to talk about Transmitsibility Day. 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: But today is April second, twenty twenty four. And I've 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: also mentioned how I hate April Fool's Day, so you know, 19 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: no April fools on you people's because we don't do 20 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 2: that here anyway. Yeah, so we are talking about chance 21 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: Day of Visibility, which was March thirty first, twenty twenty four. 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: To many people's arrived barely. I didn't know this. I 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: was like why are you what's happening? But whatever, I 24 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: love it even more. But that was a trans day 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: of visibility, and since we did not publish anything new 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: for that day, we thought we would take an episode 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: and highlight several trans focused organizations that have been helping 28 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: to advocate for the rights and protection and quality of 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: the trans community and of course when it comes to 30 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: feminists around the world, the trans community have been fighting really, really, 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: really hard for everyone's rights, and we were all about intersectionality, right, 32 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: That's what we're going to do for this episode, and 33 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: we would love for you to join us in not 34 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: only sharing their amazing works, but helping however you can 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: to highlight them and their contribution. So we do want 36 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: to do a content warning here because we are going 37 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: to mention Priya, which is the Prison Rate Elimination Act. 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: Also mentioned rape and socidality. So again we're not talking 39 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: any in depth, no actual incidents, but just isn't there. 40 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: It's in there and these are in no particular order, 41 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: and of course there are so many many more organizations 42 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: and we would love to hear from you, our lovely listeners, 43 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: for any of your own local nonprofits that are doing 44 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: some amazing work for the queer community and beyond, so 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: please let us know. But yeah, these are a few 46 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: that we wanted to highlight today. I'm sure we'll do 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: it again and we'll keep doing it. 48 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: Let's start with GATE, or Global Action for Trans Equality, 49 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: which is based out of the UK and has been 50 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: around since two thousand and nine and according to their site, 51 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: gate dot ngo quote was born out of a need 52 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: for a central body to lobby for trans rites at 53 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: the global level, particularly at the United Founded in two 54 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: thousand and nine, GATE sought to develop a global coordinating 55 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: network for trans organizing to transform the systemic exclusion of 56 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: trans people and their issues from international decision making and 57 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: research processes. Since the beginning of the organization, they have 58 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: focused on the inclusion of trans and gender diverse people 59 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to human rights on an international level 60 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: by campaigning and educating others around the world by bringing 61 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: awareness to the discrimination many trans people face. They have 62 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: also focused on advocating for the healthcare rights and access 63 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: for all trans and gender diverse people with community led 64 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: campaigns within the political process and exposing how the healthcare 65 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: responses for the trans community have been handled or oftentimes 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: not handled, and they have worked to help train and 67 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: mentor others to create a sustainable movement. They have worked 68 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: to grow resources and networks all over the world to 69 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: push for access, funding, and organizational growth that can eventually 70 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: be self seen staining within different organizations and sectors. So 71 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: there's one, here's another one. We have an organization in Memphis, Tennessee, 72 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: called My Sister's House, started by transactivist kay La Gore. 73 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: The organization started as a transitional home for trans and 74 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: other queer people who were unhoused and without resources. According 75 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: to their site MSH Memphis dot org, My Sister's House 76 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: MSH is a grassroots transgender led organization in Memphis, Tennessee 77 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: that provides wraparound services for primarily black and brown, transgender 78 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: and non binary individuals, including a safe space, emergency shelter, 79 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: and access to health and social services. Since the beginning 80 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: of the organization in twenty sixteen, they have been able 81 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: to provide at least twenty homes to those in need 82 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: of housing by using their tiny house project, and are 83 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 1: in the works of creating more homes that are ADA 84 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: compliant and accessible for those with disabilities. Gore herself converted 85 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: her six bedrooms from home into emergency housing for the 86 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: trans and queer community, and with that they've expanded their 87 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: services to include bail funds for incarcerated trans women, legal 88 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: help and assistance, and multi level resources to help with 89 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: housing and staple income. 90 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: Right, and then we have a Black and Pink National 91 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: which is an organization that quote is a prison abolitionist 92 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: organization dedicated to abolishing the criminal punishment system and liberating LGBTQIA, 93 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: t s plus people and people living with HIV AIDS 94 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 2: who are affected by the system through advocacy, support and 95 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: organizing and continuing from their site Blackinpink dot org. As 96 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: we continue to grow as an organization, a family, and 97 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: a community of accomplices, we will always hold true to 98 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: our foundational and radical beliefs in the capacity for good 99 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: and the abilities of all people to be the best 100 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: version of themselves and to dismantle the systems that plaque 101 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 2: I communities. We will always be partners with those impacted 102 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: by the prison industrial complex through autrocities it enacts, and 103 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: will not rest until it's come completely dismantled because we 104 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: not only imagine a world without prisons, we demand it. 105 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: And yeah, they've been working not only for liberation and 106 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: for the health of their community, but they have been 107 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: publishing data and detailed research to educate the public for 108 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: the reasons that needs behind organizations like theirs. Their extensive report, 109 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: done alongside vera dot org, shows the need to change 110 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: policies and procedures for the trans community who are currently incarcerated. 111 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: They're able to give it detailed surveys of what the 112 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: trans and queer community we're going through in their time 113 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: of incarceration and what is needed to help correct what 114 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: is happening. And here's a bit from their conclusion of 115 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: that report. It says three overarching themes emerged in this 116 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: report in terms of transgender people's experience in prison, their 117 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: housing situations, their access to healthcare and other gender affirming practices, 118 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: and their interactions and relationships with other people from abusive 119 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: to supportive. Participants in this project also had clear asks 120 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: in their terms of policy change. These policy recommendations underscores 121 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: the importance of meaningful input from transgender peace people who 122 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: are incarcerated and their advocates at all stages. Policy designed, 123 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: implementations and monitoring. Formal policies should also allow for some 124 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: flexibility for each person's individual situation. Not everyone who's transgender 125 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: has the same needs, risk or preferences, and so one 126 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: size fits all policies or eligibility criteria are too rigid. 127 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: This report outlines concrete suggestions from people with lived experience 128 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: of prison on more supportive policies and practices related to housing, 129 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: relationship and community, social transition and gender affirming language, healthcare PREA, 130 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: and other responses to sexual assault or harassment and staff conduct. 131 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: So that is a really really important piece and if 132 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: you have the time, please go and read their research. 133 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: There is a link from Black and Pink National dot 134 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: org to Vera dot org and it gives you a 135 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: whole pdf. It's about a ninety nine page report. And 136 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: I think it's so important that we have research like this. 137 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: We know that we've had a friend of the show, 138 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: Raquel will let's talk about the abolition of incarceration and 139 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: just how transgender communities are persecuted within the prison system. 140 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: So I think it's something that we need to talk 141 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: about more often. They do a lot when it comes 142 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: to that type of work, and they have done the work, 143 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: so it's not something that we have to do ourselves. Again, 144 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: there's a ninety nine page report about it with a 145 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: lot of good detailed surveys and questionnaires and a lot 146 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: of great information, so that in itself, go and check 147 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: it out, start publishing it, whatever you want to do, 148 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: If you want to highlight it in your own social media, 149 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: go for it, because I think it's such an important report. 150 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: And then we also have a trans Lifeline, which was 151 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: founded in twenty fourteen after an epidemic of sociedality arose 152 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: and no real support system for the trans community. So 153 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: it came quickly after I believe the Trans Day of 154 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 2: Remembrance was started, and after they realized how much of 155 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: a need they really had to support their own community. 156 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,359 Speaker 2: They not only offer emotional support for the trans community, 157 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: but up until recently we're able to give financial support 158 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: as well. And they are, quote from their site translifeline 159 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: dot org, a trans community by the trans community. And 160 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: we do want to know they have some controversy within 161 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: their organization, including that the original founders were allegedly embezzling 162 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: money from the company. Of course, they have since changed 163 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: over their leadership and have merged with a trans Assistance 164 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: Project who at the time helped develop a new program 165 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: known as the micro Grants program which helped provide funds 166 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: to quote support to correct names and or gender marketers 167 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: on identifying legal documents, fund gender affirming permanent hair removal, 168 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: and supply necessities for our siblings behind bars. However, this 169 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: program has been paused at this time due to the 170 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 2: higher demands and lack of funding. They were able to 171 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: give out one point five million, and I think that 172 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: equals out to be like several people getting five hundred 173 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 2: dollars to get this type of assistance. So they get 174 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: they did do quite a bit, and also due to 175 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: the budget shortfall, they've had to cut down the operating 176 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: hours for their hotlines, so I don't think it's successful 177 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: Saturday and Sundays. So they are such a needed organization 178 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: for this community. We know what happens oftentimes when police 179 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: are called or law enforcement are called in the states 180 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: of emergencies or in crisis, and there has been reports 181 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: showing that more oftentimes it causes more harm to the 182 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: trans communities when this happens. So having a support system 183 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 2: like this is vital and yes it is currently available 184 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: in US and Canada. Organizations like these are oftentimes under 185 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: the radar and don't get the support that they need. 186 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: Their hotline again doesn't have enough people to help out 187 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: and it is for trans by trans. So there's so 188 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: much to be said as we're losing more and more transactivists. 189 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: We know the deaths of transactivists have been pretty high, 190 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: and of course what's happening with policies going after the 191 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: trans community. Is not surprising to see that they're lacking support. 192 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: But organizations like these are in need and we do 193 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: want to support them as well. Again, their organization is 194 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: at translifeline dot org and they give you different resources 195 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: on how you can help, how cispeople can help the 196 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: organization as well, how non trans people can help in 197 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: these organizations, and it could be as easy as donating. Again, 198 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: like I said, I know they had controversies, but they 199 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: have really worked through that and come out of the fire. 200 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: Now they're trying to rebuild. They just recently did a 201 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 2: cool stream Athon, so they did it with several twitch 202 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: trans twitch people, trans celebrities i guess in the twitch world, 203 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: So that's exciting to see. That just happened like March twentieth, 204 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 2: so we missed it saying it, but they have many 205 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: more coming through I'm sure. So if you can, you know, 206 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: get to their newsletter, get more information, stay up to 207 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 2: date about what they're doing this This type of need 208 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 2: is high and there's not enough out there for those 209 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: who need it, and we know that, so we wanted 210 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: to take the time to talk about what they're doing. 211 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: You know, if you if you have an organization like this, 212 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: and I know there's other's like Trevor Project that are bigger, 213 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: that are more well known, but we did kind of 214 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: want to get the ones that were a little less 215 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: well known. Uh So that's what we were searching for. 216 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: But if you have the time, check out these organizations 217 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: and see if there's any way. 218 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 1: You could help. Yes, definitely, And if there's anything that 219 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: you think we should shout out that should be on 220 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: our radar, please let us know. You can email us 221 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: at Stephanie your Momsteph at iHeartMedia dot com. You can 222 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,599 Speaker 1: find us on Twitter at mom step podcast, or on 223 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok at stuff. Whenever told you. We have 224 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: a tea public store and we have a book you 225 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: can get wherever you get your books. 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