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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one h three,

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Speaker 1: Episode two of Jo Days Night Guys, Yeah, production of

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Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. This is the podcast where you take

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into America's share consciousness and say, officially

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Speaker 1: off the top, fuck Coke industries, as in the Cooke

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Speaker 1: Brothers and Fox News. Uh. It is Tuesday, October eight,

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Speaker 1: two thousand nine. Tea. My name is Jack O'Brien, a

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Speaker 1: k a oh b r e n oh Brian. That's

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Speaker 1: courtesy of a spector, says, and I'm thrilled to be

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Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host Mr Miles. Russian

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Speaker 1: propaganda it's a daily sign and I'm voting right the

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Speaker 1: parties on the Sovietan side, as I raised from my

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Speaker 1: jewel pot and I burned it up. Trolls from Old

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Speaker 1: Lingo took their meals from the cooks, wait, took emails

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Speaker 1: from the cook's. Democracy is over raining footing industry, E Miles, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we made it. Okay, thank you too. Firstie, I'm a

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Speaker 1: Gucci may for that one. You know, just keep the

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Speaker 1: Montella Jordans. He's just keeping the momentum alive. So thank

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Speaker 1: you for that one. Kind of buzzed. It's all because

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Speaker 1: this is how we can't hear an a k from

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Speaker 1: that song and not want to complete the lyrics from

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Speaker 1: from where it is. It's a problem that I that

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Speaker 1: I have to deal with. That is my product. Was

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Speaker 1: that been in south Park? Like Cartman had to sailing?

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that like there was a Goodies like? I have

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Speaker 1: to finish it? When I hear that was probably the

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Speaker 1: last episode of south Park? Episode? Oh really? Yeah, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I fell off a little bit. How long ago was that?

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Speaker 1: I honestly think that was from two thousand. Well, we're

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Speaker 1: turtled to be joined in our third seat by the

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Speaker 1: hilarious and talented host of stuff they don't want, you

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Speaker 1: ton't know and ridiculous history. He is, Mr Ben Bowler.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, guys man, that's a hell of

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Speaker 1: a set up. Hilarious and talented. You know, could you

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Speaker 1: do like middling or severely? I'm going in severely, Okay,

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Speaker 1: severely severely just all right? Ye? Severely mediocre? Uh well,

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Speaker 1: great man suffering with acute mediocrity. It's great to have

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Speaker 1: you in person. Uh, I think we've well, this is

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Speaker 1: the second this is our third time around now right,

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Speaker 1: and last time we were in Orlando together, very huddled room.

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Speaker 1: Nice to have you in person and not in Miles's

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Speaker 1: hotel house the weekend. YEA, yeah, yeah, uh great. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to know you a little bit better in

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Speaker 1: a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a few

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Speaker 1: of the things we're talking about today. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about James Harden apologizing to the People's Republic of China.

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Speaker 1: What do Uh? He did nothing right. We're gonna we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about what why that sentence is not an

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Speaker 1: indication that I'm having a stroke. Uh. We're going to

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Speaker 1: check in with a whistleblower Ukraine controversy, Rick Perry. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about people predictions. They're really running the

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Speaker 1: gamut these days about how this whole impeachment thing is

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Speaker 1: gonna affect Trump. We are going to speak with Robert

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Speaker 1: Evans about Syria. What's going on with America's sort of

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Speaker 1: decision to step aside and let Turkey do their thing

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Speaker 1: in Syria. Uh. And of course we have to check

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Speaker 1: in about the tide pods for Scotch, the Whiskey tide

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Speaker 1: pods uh. And Joker did break the record of the

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Speaker 1: box office, like we expected. Uh, we're gonna talk about that, Uh,

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Speaker 1: what what it was like at the theater our writer went,

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Speaker 1: I went and saw it over the weekend, and just

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Speaker 1: general impressions. But first, Ben, we like to task our guests,

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Speaker 1: what is something from your search history that is revealing

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Speaker 1: about who you are? All Right? So it turns out

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Speaker 1: if someone looked at my search history today, they would see, uh,

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Speaker 1: they would see of frantic, frenetic uh search for dispensaries.

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Speaker 1: Since I'm here in l A. They would see how

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Speaker 1: to find a cessna in Alaska. And then they would

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Speaker 1: see Andrew Johnson overrated because yesterday I was in Greenville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Uh where everything it's a small town, third oldest town

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Speaker 1: the claim to fame high school, any anything to the

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Speaker 1: America's worst president up to this, up to three years ago,

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Speaker 1: right until until three years ago, it was him and

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Speaker 1: it's like the idea. They're like dispensaries. All right, where

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Speaker 1: did I get a single engine? Cessna? A single and

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Speaker 1: FBI is paying attention, they might think you're buying weed

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Speaker 1: here from a dispensary because you're like the worst businessman ever,

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Speaker 1: and then trying to sell it with volume. Baby, it's volume.

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Speaker 1: How much can you move at a time? About fifty

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Speaker 1: six grams? Well, okay, in my defense, in my defense,

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Speaker 1: the Sessina stuff. I was googling Cessna wreckage fine recked Cessna.

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Speaker 1: in Unit one three B Yeah, yeah, yeah the podcast. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's like you're getting a little slappy, my man, I

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Speaker 1: knew that was your CVS. Right. Did you find a dispensary?

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Speaker 1: I found some. I found some stuff, very much new

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Speaker 1: to that exploration, and I to help you, sir, Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, consider me Aladdin and this studio a magic carpet,

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Speaker 1: because I can show you the world. You didn't need

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Speaker 1: to go behind him and put your arms. Don't dare

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Speaker 1: close your eyes started the song? Then what is something

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Speaker 1: you think it's overrated? Oh my gosh, Andrew Johnson in

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Speaker 1: that one town. Yeah, I like the town, just not

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Speaker 1: the branding. I think I'm gonna go real quick through

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Speaker 1: a few Uh. Sex in space overrated? The concept of

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Speaker 1: having sex in space? Oh no, apparently the practice, The

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Speaker 1: concept is dopey sci fi. Actually yeah, in practice. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a weird flex. So you're space fucking recently, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, not not yet, but I was never Well,

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Speaker 1: it's looking because there's been this rumor for a long

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Speaker 1: time that there were secret US and Russian experiments to

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Speaker 1: see whether people could have sex in space. I'm just sorry. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the concept to see if people could know. But that's

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Speaker 1: people as if get up with your blood flow right

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Speaker 1: when you are in zero gravity, and it's like automatically

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Speaker 1: do like performative selfiees with the suffering, you know when

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Speaker 1: connected to Las Vegas. Uh no, No, that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: But the people were sitting there and saying, all right,

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Speaker 1: we need to put people in space. Let's fucking figure

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Speaker 1: So there was an all right, so right, And they're like,

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Speaker 1: every time. I think we should see if boners are

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Speaker 1: possible in space. That's all I'm saying. I've got I've

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Speaker 1: got a power point. Yeah it's one slide, It's yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's it's strange because it's also I've been

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Speaker 1: preoccupied with this realization. I don't know if we mentioned

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Speaker 1: this in previous episodes, but statistically speaking, someone out there,

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Speaker 1: maybe even listening now is the world's worst astronaut. This

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Speaker 1: the person who who was like, you know what, we

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Speaker 1: really need to prioritize sex and space. So are we

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Speaker 1: do we have any kind of more deeper understanding if

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Speaker 1: the main point? Right? If we're talking about is sex

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Speaker 1: possible in space? That's because conceivably zero gravity is preventing

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Speaker 1: someone from having an erection. I forget where I read that,

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Speaker 1: buffalo while because they say, like, your head starts to grow,

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Speaker 1: because there's like, because it's your your body is designed

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Speaker 1: the big question to what's what's missing? The point about

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Speaker 1: says you won't believe what happens to an astronaut's penis

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Speaker 1: in outer space? Hell yeah, please let me know. There's

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Speaker 1: it's like trying to fly, but it like doesn't know

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Speaker 1: it looks really hilarious. Yeah, I know. It's it's almost

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Speaker 1: What's something you think is underrated. Other than Casey Diaz,

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Speaker 1: I also think it is I love that you guys

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Speaker 1: shout out the Coke Brothers and the Coke to Puss

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Speaker 1: every episode because I think that the actions of the

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Speaker 1: Coke Machine are severely underrated, especially given the death of

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Speaker 1: one of the brothers who wasn't even like the wasn't

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Speaker 1: even the final boss and everyone's ding dong the witch

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Speaker 1: if you have some semblance of humanity and you object

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Speaker 1: to the socio political machine socio economic machine they put

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Speaker 1: his death is overrated and the effect of that thing

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Speaker 1: it's just like people have this idea, like they oversimplify,

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Speaker 1: like these kinds of plans that have been like forty

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Speaker 1: it's over one guy. It's like no, this is this

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Speaker 1: of movie idea of like, well if the bad guys dead,

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Speaker 1: then they all live happily ever after. Right, It's like, no,

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Speaker 1: their plan lives happily ever after. And I took some

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Speaker 1: heat on that in in conversations you know, online and stuff,

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Speaker 1: because we did a show on we just show on

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Speaker 1: David Coke and uh, and people were like, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I respect out of respect for the dead and his family,

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Speaker 1: and where was his respect for the people who did

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Speaker 1: because of like the sort of systems that are in

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Speaker 1: We need to look at corruption. Then he continued that statement,

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Speaker 1: said this is a verbatim quote. Likewise, China should start

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Speaker 1: an investigation into the Bidens because what happened in China

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Speaker 1: is about as bad as what happened with Ukraine. That's

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Speaker 1: the that's the quote from this man's mouth. Cut to

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy on Fox and Friends with a whole new strategy,

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Speaker 1: which is gaslighting. Yesterday, Jim Jordan was asked about the

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Speaker 1: president say I want China and investigate Biden, and he

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Speaker 1: said he was just like Marco Rubio. He was just

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Speaker 1: trolling China. He was just having fun. Do you believe

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Speaker 1: the President was kind of just having fun when he said,

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Speaker 1: like Jim Jordan's said that, hey, China want she'd investigate

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Speaker 1: Biden's When you look at you you watched with the

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Speaker 1: President said he's not saying China's investcaped. But let's get

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Speaker 1: to the clear point. If I'm a member of Congress

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Speaker 1: and I break the law and there should be investigation,

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Speaker 1: and I run for an okay, because there's nothing much

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Speaker 1: that he said. He literally just said, I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: not what he said. I just read you the quote. Likewise,

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Speaker 1: China should start an investigation into the Bidens because what

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Speaker 1: happened in China is just about as bad as what

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Speaker 1: happened with He didn't say that. The thing is, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you talk abou corruption, okay, wow, Uh, it's a

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Speaker 1: bit of a panic. So now we're in the new

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Speaker 1: phase of the scandal, where again every time someone gets pressed,

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Speaker 1: they throw somebody else under the bus. When it was Rudy,

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Speaker 1: he threw the State Department under the bus. When it

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Speaker 1: was Trump, first person under the bus was Mike Pence.

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Speaker 1: Then this time, according to Axios, he's now throwing Rick

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Speaker 1: Perry in the Department of Energy under the bus. There

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Speaker 1: was a quote in this Axios article from over the

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Speaker 1: weekend where Trump was on a call with other House members,

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Speaker 1: and this is what he said, according to people who

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Speaker 1: are on the call. Uh, this is from Trump quote.

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of people know this. But I didn't

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Speaker 1: even want to make the call. The only reason I

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Speaker 1: made the call was because Rick Perry asked me to

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Speaker 1: something about an liquefied natural gas Plant League. But then

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Speaker 1: people are like, wait, what, so is there a there's

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Speaker 1: an energy dimension to this too, And it turns out

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Speaker 1: there is now but not necessarily with Trump. But when

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Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani was out there fucking parading around Ukraine being like,

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Speaker 1: I'm the President's personal attorney, he also was making in

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Speaker 1: roads for clients of his in the United States with

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Speaker 1: these two Ukrainian Americans and a Texas energy guy who

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Speaker 1: basically were like, this would be a dope, sick gas plan.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna donate a ton of money to Trump packs

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Speaker 1: get in with y'all. But here's our thing. What if

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Speaker 1: you took the Ukrainian gas company Naftogaz, completely flipped their

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Speaker 1: board with people who we want, and then we can

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Speaker 1: start exporting our gas to Ukraine and everybody's gonna make money.

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Speaker 1: That's essentially what was going on. And they had everyone

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Speaker 1: from Giuliani talking to these people UM to like these

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Speaker 1: Americans who were like reaching out to people who are

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Speaker 1: already on the board of this company being like, you know,

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Speaker 1: actually we think you should be the man. They're like,

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Speaker 1: this feels like a shakedown, um, and then the so

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Speaker 1: then on top of that, Rick Perry personally delivered this

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Speaker 1: message to Zelinsky as well, uh saying like this is

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Speaker 1: from an article from the a P said, Perry made

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Speaker 1: clear that the Trump administration wanted to see the entire

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Speaker 1: NAFTA GAST Supervisory Board replaced. According to a person who

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Speaker 1: attended both meetings, Perry again reference the list of advisors

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Speaker 1: that he had given Zelenski, and it was widely interpreted

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Speaker 1: that he wanted Michael Bliser, a Ukrainian American businessman from Texas,

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Speaker 1: to join the newly formed board. Then the problem was, then,

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Speaker 1: Rick Perry, this is where what Trump was talking about.

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Speaker 1: He asked Trump too, then hey, make sure to like

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Speaker 1: also mention that thing on the call to yeah, while

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Speaker 1: you're while you're while you're up there, get that one

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Speaker 1: in there too, because I'm also working some side this whole. Again,

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Speaker 1: it's like you're starting to see just sort of how

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Speaker 1: he's corrupting every single person now. And now I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: fucking I mean, I guess if we're going to lean

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Speaker 1: on him for all kinds of stuff, like let's maybe

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Speaker 1: make some money too. And let me just point out

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Speaker 1: that Rick Perry, when he was in the running or

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Speaker 1: as as a presidential candidate. He said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we should abolish a ton of ship, including the Department

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Speaker 1: of Energy, and now he's in charge of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's and that's the one one of the ones whose

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Speaker 1: name he could remember. He don't remember the other one. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Don't be fooled by the glasses, right, or you know,

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Speaker 1: intelligent search search his wonderful ranch and word head. Right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for mentioning that people that article, because you

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Speaker 1: really want to get a glimpse into this man's head.

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Speaker 1: He had just looked that up. There's a I think

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Speaker 1: a ton of easy coats actually wrote about it, like

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Speaker 1: way back. But yeah, again, this is sort of the

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Speaker 1: snake pit that we're operating. Yeah, and kind of taking

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Speaker 1: a step back about how the entire impeachment is playing

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Speaker 1: for him, because you know, we have conflicting data, we

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Speaker 1: have polling data. That's is that support for impeachment is skyrocketing.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're seeing him pulling. But we're also seeing

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Speaker 1: his approval rating holds steady at a not good but

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Speaker 1: still steady, you know, low forties. McK mulvaney claims that

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Speaker 1: based on their skyrocketing fundraising following the opening of the

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Speaker 1: impeachment inquiry. Uh that he expects Trump to win in

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Speaker 1: a historic forty five state landslide once the impeachment is over,

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Speaker 1: because his base is fired up that the four governments

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Speaker 1: that they're meddling with and can you give me states

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Speaker 1: because but you were even pointing out that his numbers

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Speaker 1: are going up with independence, or at least Biden fucking

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Speaker 1: dived eighteen points. He had an eighteen point or nineteen

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Speaker 1: point lead, eighteen or nineteen point lead over Trump with independence,

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Speaker 1: that now he only has a one point advantage now.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a it's very it's like within

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Speaker 1: single digits. He has leads over Warren and Sanders too.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I think you know those if the

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Speaker 1: if the Needle move for independence away from Biden last week,

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Speaker 1: that means that means they bought this idea, that the

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Speaker 1: debunked bullshit about the Bidens is true, or like I said,

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Speaker 1: not to say that what Biden isn't doing reeks of

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Speaker 1: nepotism and the kind of ship that we don't like

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Speaker 1: that we would ideally not have in our politics. That

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Speaker 1: maybe those people are principled enough, but maybe there are

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Speaker 1: people who are Trump supporters who call themselves independence and like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, actually after this, you know that if there's

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Speaker 1: if the bidens are corrupt, maybe, but I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you just think about sheer volume of messaging, like we're

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Speaker 1: hearing NonStop defenses from Trump of his you know, horrible corruption.

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Speaker 1: And he's got this huge, massive machinery of the US

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Speaker 1: presidency and this huge one of the if not the

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Speaker 1: richest presidential election campaign. So he has this huge war chest.

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Speaker 1: I saw he's running some pretty effectively made campaign ads

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Speaker 1: that are insane propaganda. But if that's where you're getting

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Speaker 1: your information, um, it seems like he is most in

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Speaker 1: his element when he's in involved in a conflict or

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Speaker 1: involved in a fight, and there has to be something

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Speaker 1: to react to, right right, Yeah, And so this gives

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Speaker 1: him something to react to. But like I said, there's

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Speaker 1: also reason to think, like support for impeachment is higher

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Speaker 1: now than it was with Nixon at this stage. It

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Speaker 1: can't be that can't be good. And also got a

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Speaker 1: second whistle blower. Yeah, we have a second whistle blower.

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Speaker 1: It seems like there's a ton more ship coming out.

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Speaker 1: A member of his executive team he used to run

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Speaker 1: his construction projects and kind of knows like the anatomy

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Speaker 1: of a Trump meltdown, believes that he's going to resign

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Speaker 1: rather than face impeachment eventually. I also want to point

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Speaker 1: out I don't I'm sure everyone saw this. He when

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Speaker 1: he was having a lover's quarrel with Fox, he floated

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Speaker 1: the idea of having a state owned out media outlet

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Speaker 1: that would be more in line. Yeah, these are I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are all things that are going to look like

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Speaker 1: very clear steps to future historians, you know, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what starts off as like, well, Fox News wasn't enough,

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Speaker 1: and he jokingly said that and welcome to the Trump

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Speaker 1: News Network. Although I mean the people that he has

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Speaker 1: on his own like weird little YouTube channel, it's very

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Speaker 1: If that's what it's gonna look like, I think we'll

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Speaker 1: be okay. It's it's like the least convincing conversations about

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Speaker 1: nothing I've ever seen. And again, there's this woman who's

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Speaker 1: on there. Who is this woman who claims she was

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Speaker 1: a pussycat doll, And they're like, yo, she wasn't in

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Speaker 1: the group. She's like hotly contested because when they blew up,

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Speaker 1: she wasn't part of the group. But I think she

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Speaker 1: was saying in the build up was and that's like

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Speaker 1: one of their sort of nicer like clearly they're like

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Speaker 1: we need we need a hot blonde woman because everyone

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Speaker 1: is so like camera ready on that channel, and it's

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Speaker 1: like Laura Trump too. It's really about there's no no substance,

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Speaker 1: it's all the optics of it. Yeah, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: move on to the stakes. What you having somebody like

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Speaker 1: this in office running U S foreign policy UH does

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Speaker 1: to the world. And we actually have Robert Evans, host

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Speaker 1: of Behind the Bastards and the new weekly podcast Worst

588
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: Year Ever, about the election and just all politics in

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Speaker 1: general at this very moment on he is recently come

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Speaker 1: back from being in Northern Syria, which is exactly where

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Speaker 1: this UH Kurdish led fighting force is from. So basically,

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Speaker 1: the US partnered with a fighting force in Northern Syria

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Speaker 1: to defeat isis in that part of the country, and

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Speaker 1: it's like partially Kurdish, which is an ethnic group in

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Speaker 1: that region of the world that doesn't like actually have

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Speaker 1: a state, but it's also you know, a bunch of

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Speaker 1: other people, other types of people. And Robert Evans, host

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Speaker 1: of Behind the Bastards, who's about to join US, went

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Speaker 1: over there and actually spent some time time with this

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Speaker 1: fighting force because they're incredibly progressive. But anyways, the US

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Speaker 1: partnered with them to drive out Isis, and they are

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Speaker 1: despised by Air Tawan and you know his government in Turkey,

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Speaker 1: and he's been itching to have the all clear to

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Speaker 1: attack them and basically carry out essentially a genocide. Right Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think the US pulling out sort of is like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: well we'll turn our backs to this, and but just

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Speaker 1: promise you'll be good. You won't do the thing that

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Speaker 1: history and what we think with our we see all

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Speaker 1: with our own eyes won't happen. Right. Trump announced, uh,

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Speaker 1: two nights ago that he is going to step aside

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Speaker 1: basically let let Turkey do its thang. Uh. And that

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Speaker 1: in that fang is fucking violent and terrible. Yes, uh.

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Speaker 1: And it's you know, experts on the region are troubled

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Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. We wanted to ask you then, Robert,

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Speaker 1: because you were uh, like a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: hanging out with these Kurds in northern Syria. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're they're not all Curreds. That's generally how

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Speaker 1: it gets boiled down in the in the media because

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Speaker 1: it's it's a very complicated situation. But the the group

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Speaker 1: that is in control of Rojata in particularly the military

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Speaker 1: forces there, but also sort of like it's a very

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Speaker 1: um had a regeneous region and so like the people

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Speaker 1: that I spend time with were Kurds and Arabs and Armenians,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there were there were a number of

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Speaker 1: different groups out there, UM, a number of ethnic groups. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And in the early days of of the Rojada and project,

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Speaker 1: most of the particularly the fighting forces were Kurds UM,

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Speaker 1: but that's no longer the case in every region. Like

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Speaker 1: some of the places with some of the cantons, which

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Speaker 1: is essentially analogous to a state that we went, they

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Speaker 1: were actually majority Arab fighting forces. UM. I spent a

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Speaker 1: day on a military base for the training of members

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00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: of the women's militia that was that was all Arabs.

634
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: So it's it's a very mixed force. And in fact,

635
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: one of the things that like it's pushed a lot

636
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: to kind of defame these people in the international media

637
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: is the idea that they're they're all Kurdish and at

638
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: the Kurdish dominated force and so like, that's one of

639
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: the lines Turkeys using is that these cities rightfully belonged

640
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: to Arabs uh, and the Kurds are like ethnically cleansing

641
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: these regions of Arabs. And then nothing could be further

642
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: from the truth. What's kind of like, I know, when

643
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: you were there, right there was all I'm sure there's

644
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: always like this fear that Turkey would invade or the

645
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: US would basically turn its back on the Kurds. What how,

646
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: what was sort of the environment like when you were there,

647
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: when things were not as certain? I would say I

648
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: was with him one to two miles sometimes within a

649
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: couple of dozen feats of the Turkish border. Uh. Much

650
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: of my time in Rojava, I was actually usually using

651
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: a Turkish cell network just because those were the strongest

652
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: cell towers in the area. UM. And you could see

653
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: the entire Turkish border with Rojava is there's an enormous

654
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: border wall, a huge concrete slabs and guard towers, um

655
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: and it just sort of looms over everything on that

656
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: side of things. And the Turks built up with this

657
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: enormous you know, it's kind of like the wall that

658
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump dreams about at night when he

659
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: imagines what he might build on the Mexican border. It's

660
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: it's that kind of construction areas that would like chap

661
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: you in half and alligators guarding not yet yet, but

662
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: I think that has more to do with the climate.

663
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, the stand damages laser working and allers don't

664
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: do so well with the desert. Um. But like while

665
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: the Turkish forces like dope up with this gigantic wall,

666
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: the Kurds were drilling down and we you could watch

667
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: the construction of it wasn't even really secret. Um, hundreds

668
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: of miles of tunnels under every single city and every

669
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: single military base, uh and the twenty five down. I

670
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: looked down into a couple of the shafts while they

671
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: were building like enormous constructions meant to be uh protected

672
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: from aerial bombardment, everything that they've they've been building for years. Um.

673
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: It was a really like significant construction. And everyone I

674
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: talked to and befriended over there was sort of there

675
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: was this kind of there was a little bit of

676
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: hope maybe the US won't abandon us. But I would

677
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: say the vast majority of people I talked to there

678
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: was this kind of dull acceptance that like y'all are

679
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: going to abandon us. Sooner or later, you're going to

680
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: abandon us, and we're gonna have to fight Turkey. Like

681
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: they're very pragmatic people over there. You don't get a

682
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: lot of um, kind of hopeful idealism over there. There

683
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: was this kind of we're enjoying some peace now and

684
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: it's nice, but there's no way we can trust the

685
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: guy who's running y'all's country, and in general, because things

686
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: changed so much depending on who's in charge in the

687
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: United States, we really can't rely on you for long anyway.

688
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: And there's accept there's sort of a burden of history

689
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: of play here too, because it's unfortunately part of the

690
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: U s is geopolitical m o right to use groups,

691
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: uh use indigenous groups against one another and then abandoned them. Right,

692
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: This is not the first iteration of this sort of strategy. Yeah,

693
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's always a little different each time, Like

694
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: the one of the other, one of the the other

695
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: cases in history, the people will point to a sort

696
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: of being like this is, um what happened with the

697
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: Montagnards in Spain, which was the group of indigenous people

698
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: in Vietnam who fought with the United States and with

699
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: South Vietnam against you know, the Vietnamese Communist forces, and

700
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: you know, obviously that didn't work out, but we did.

701
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: There was a pretty comprehensive UM resettlement plan for like

702
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: helping those people who could get those Montignards could get

703
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: out of Vietnam find homes in the United States. A

704
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: lot of them wound up in like Michigan. I think, UM,

705
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: I've talked to a couple of people from whom that

706
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: was the journey. The same thing kind of happened with Mong.

707
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: So there was at least an effort made too. Even

708
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: though like we we gave up the ghosts in that fight,

709
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: there was an effort made to UM take some sort

710
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: of care with the the individual people themselves that had

711
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: fought for us. And I don't think we're like, obviously

712
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean we didn't abandon them, but it's it's something.

713
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: And I don't think we're even going to do that

714
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: for our Syrian Kurdish allies, my friends over there. I

715
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: can't even get visas for anywhere. Like you if you're

716
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: if you've get a Syrian passport, UM, and if you're

717
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: lucky enough even have a Syrian passport, you can't go

718
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: to Europe, you can't go to the United States. Um,

719
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: there's no way to do that legally. You have to

720
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: try and do the whole smuggling route. So like, um,

721
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty comprehensive abandonment that these people are

722
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: going to see, right, And I think, you know, looking

723
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: at sort of how the story evolved, right, Trump put

724
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: out his uh wild tweets saying and like in his

725
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: infinite wisdom that he would obliterate the Turkish economy if

726
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: they did anything that he saws off limits. And I

727
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: know Lindsay Graham was pretty vocal and a lot of

728
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: actually a lot of Republicans for the first time we're

729
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: oullowed to agreeing with Trump on this um and just

730
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: saying how terrible of an idea it is. How likely

731
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: do you see even with the like the relationship between

732
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: the U S and Urduwan, how real that threat is

733
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: of like, well, don't do anything off limits now or

734
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: do the thing that we think you're going to do.

735
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: I have no faith that any of that will happen,

736
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: because I think, um, one thing all the other one

737
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: has to do is deny that whatever is happening is happening.

738
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: Which they did in a Thrine, which is the other

739
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: a city that Turkish forces took over the last year, UM,

740
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: and they carried out an ethnic cleansing campaign. You know,

741
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: the side I one of the sides I write for

742
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: Belling Cat did a lot of analysis of like satellite

743
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: photography over the area and you can see like um,

744
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: like one of the things that they did is they

745
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: went into the graves of these Kurdish martyrs who died

746
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: fighting against ISIS, which are like kind of political monuments too,

747
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: and just bulldozed these cemeteries, UM, which is like part

748
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: of genocide. Like the destruction of of cultural centers like

749
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: cemeteries is an aspect of the genocide UM. And there's

750
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: a lot of fear among the Kurds that that's what

751
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: Turkey has planned for them UM. And you know, more

752
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: to the point, the Turkish forces support hardcore Islamic groups

753
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: in the region. This has not been heavily reported on

754
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: in the Western media, but it's it has been reported on,

755
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: and like there's evidence beyond the shadow of a doubt

756
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: that during the early stages of the spread of the

757
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: Islamic State UM, the Turkey was allowing ISIS fighters to

758
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: cross into Syria. And I've talked to dozens of people

759
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: at this point who watched with their own eyes ISIS

760
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: fighters entering UH Syria to go fight, like moving directly

761
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: from the Turkish border to the front lines and Syria

762
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: fighting against the YPG and wounded fighters leading back into

763
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: Turkey UH and like going to Turkish hospitals and being

764
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: given care. Um, it was very direct, it was very obvious,

765
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: and it's very well documented the aid that the Turkish

766
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: government gave ISIS fighters Because number one, Um, there's a

767
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: lot of support and sympathy for kind of extremist, hard

768
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: hard light Islamist groups like that in the chunks of Turkey.

769
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: But more to the point, um, you know, they're also

770
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: enemies of the of the Syrian state, Like they don't

771
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: like Alasad either. It's two very unpleasant dictators who hate

772
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: each other. Um. But Turkey saw having ISIS in that

773
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: area is kind of a buffer zone both against the

774
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: SOD and against the Kurds, who are also their enemies.

775
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: What what's in it for Trump? Why is Trump stepping aside?

776
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: Why why is the US making this move at this point?

777
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: Is it just that he you know, Ari Juan is

778
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: also or is the strongman dictator that he aspires to

779
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: be in game recognized game or is it like, is

780
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: there some strategic element to this? Yeah, I've got two

781
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: theories in my head, and I don't know which is

782
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: accurate from what I'm reading today. Um, the justification that

783
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: Trump is giving is that, um, the European forces were

784
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: not our European nations were not doing enough to take

785
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: in uh, their captured Isis fighters. Um, which is true. Uh,

786
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: European nations needed to do more to actually take and

787
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: prosecute the members of their nations who went out to

788
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: fight for Isis. They just kind of left them there,

789
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: which is not cool, but it is a fairly minor

790
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: issue in the grand scheme of the regional politics. His

791
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: other justification is that the US beat ISIS and we

792
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: don't need to be there anymore, um, which is absurd

793
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. But I so, I think

794
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: the justification Trump wants to give is that the US

795
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: is tired of footing the bill for this whole effort,

796
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: and we're going to leave it up to other people

797
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: to to to solve. Um my theory about what went on.

798
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: You know, we know we had a conversation with arid one,

799
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: and I suspect one of two things happened in that conversation.

800
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: Either are one said, Hey, I'm gonna invade. I'm I'm

801
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: ready to move in. I've got my forces masks, I'm

802
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: going to do this. Um are you going to stop me?

803
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: And I that would have been a bluff because Turkey,

804
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: if the US wanted to oppose that, it would last seconds. UM.

805
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: From one thing, we could cut off their access to

806
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: the mechanics who maintain their entire military force. UM. But

807
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: I think Trump saw that as possibly getting him embroiled

808
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: in a new war, which would be bad for him politically. UM.

809
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: So I think that's one possibility that urd Win uh

810
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: gambled and Trump is a coward and backed down UM

811
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: and didn't want history worst negotiator. He's unbelievably bad at

812
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: He's the worst negotiator than me. Uh and I always

813
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: pay double the blue book value for whatever. Um. Now.

814
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: The other possibility is that he had a really good

815
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: song called with Erdoin, and Erduin was like, Dude, we're

816
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: gonna take care of all these isis. Guys will take

817
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: care of the whole region. You won't have to wear

818
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: that anything, and then you get to brag during the

819
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: election that you got US troops out of a whole country.

820
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: Um And he can't. Obviously he can't get out of Afghanistan.

821
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: He clearly wants to, but for whatever reason, nobody can

822
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: get the US out of Afghanistan. So if he's going

823
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: to brag about getting the US out of a country,

824
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: this is his best option. Um So that and I

825
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: kind of them leaning towards that that he wants to

826
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: be able to make that sort of campaign brag in

827
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: the coming months. Um So he did this, and it

828
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: is it is kind of hardening to me to see

829
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: all of these Republicans who I do not like, are

830
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: pretty unanimous and outspoken that this is a terrible idea,

831
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: um because it is one thing those people tend to

832
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: get is like well, but like like like when I

833
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: was a kid growing up in a very conservative household,

834
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: Like the whole line being given about why the invasion

835
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: of Iraq was a good idea focused around how much

836
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: better it was going to be for the women in Iraq.

837
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: Um So the fact, like if you the reality on

838
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: the ground in uh Rojab is so um stark and undeniable. Um.

839
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: The improvements in women's right. It's it's unbelievably radical. Uh.

840
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: And under I think a lot of the improvements in

841
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: women's rights under this Kurdish Yeah, under the Kurdish Kurdish

842
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: led forces, primarily Kurdish led forces, has been so um

843
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: revolutionary and so comprehensive. And I think there's a lot

844
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: of folks who, even though they might be inclined otherwise

845
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: to go along with the president because they're Lindsay Graham,

846
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: just can't in good conscious ignore that fact. Um. So

847
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: I do think that's a factor that these guys that

848
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: they have a glimmer of a soul and they're like,

849
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: but this is the thing we've been trying to do

850
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: for twenty years over there, right, Yeah, is uh, you know,

851
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: put progressive values into action in the region. Yeah. Um.

852
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: It also seems like it's a broader a reflection of

853
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: the broader issue we just got done talking about the

854
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: whistleblower Ukraine controversy, and you know that there is another

855
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: situation where the president is sacrificing American interests and the

856
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: interests of American allies abroad for his you know, political considerations.

857
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: And it sounds like you're suggesting that could kind of

858
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: more implicitly be what's happening uh in in this case. Alright, well,

859
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: Robert Ovans, thank you so much for joining us. Uh,

860
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure talking to you about this horrible subject. Yeah,

861
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's really frustrating. Um. I think I would

862
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: I would encourage people who want to read more to

863
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: to look up David Graber. He's a he's an anthropologist

864
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: who has written for The Guardian and and also been

865
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: in Rojava. Um, you know you might check out his stuff. Yeah,

866
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: that that would be my um advice to people. And

867
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: he's writing about this specific kind of progressive feminist culture

868
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: that has taken hold among the forces that have that

869
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: are kind of in power in Java. Yeah. Yeah, he's

870
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: written a lot about that, and UM, I'm I'm working

871
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: on pieces about that that'll hopefully be outside. Raby's actually

872
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff published, So I would I

873
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: would recommend looking into his his work on the matter. Awesome,

874
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: Thanks for Robert. All Right, we're gonna take a quick break.

875
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back, and enough of

876
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: all that heavy ship guys, let's talk about tide pods

877
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: for Scotch. Yeah. Oh, man, you know the problem with

878
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: drinking is that I can't eat the glass I'm drinking

879
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: out of. I've noticed you try to do that. Yeah,

880
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: well that's why might have terrible mouth cuts. My gums

881
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: are in terrible shift. Of lacerations I have oral lacerations

882
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: I have are terrible. But apparently the people like Glenn

883
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: Livid think that's a real concern from the general alcohol

884
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: consuming public. Yeah, because they have just announced a very

885
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: odd tied pod esque cocktail that will only be available

886
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: in a bar in London. Who has a very disturbing website. Yeah.

887
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: Their website looks like a bundle of mushrooms being drenched

888
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: in maybe a milk or some kind of bodily substance.

889
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: It's ben just let that. Okay, there we go. Who

890
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: is being poured on a stack of mushrooms. I don't

891
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: know what that means about a bar, but this is

892
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: a very forward thinking cocktail. They're offering three different cocktails.

893
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: They say no ice, no stir, no glass, So it's

894
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: a single shot worth of scotch putting your mouth and

895
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: it bursts into your mouth. Don't people sip scotch though? Well?

896
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: These are cocktails and their capsules as they see in

897
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: the video the capsules, Yes, the capsules with man orally

898
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: placed capsules. Also, I'm pretty sure people will probably be

899
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: boofing these, But that was my first thought, is how

900
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: do I y? Yeah? Yeah, well I think that the

901
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: capsule itself is made with a sustainable seaweed extracted casing. Yeah,

902
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: those of us who have long wanted to take our

903
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: shots as positories now have an option. The video, the

904
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: the ad in which they announced this, it's very difficult

905
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: to tell if it's a piece of satire or not.

906
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: But the actress who they have taking the capsule capsule

907
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: into into her mouth, like, there's never been a worst

908
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: illustration of someone enjoying our product because her mouth is

909
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: like so full and she's just like doing her best

910
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: to try to like illustrate that this is like a

911
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: fun thing and no big deal. But everybody's like, m like,

912
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: you can even like the way the actors are portraying it,

913
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: it's still kind of like this is weird? Is it

914
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: like the Is it like that subculture on YouTube where

915
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: people are just filming themselves eating stuff in a weird smr? Yeah, No,

916
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: it's just it's like shots, stylized shots, it's just they

917
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: weren't able to make it look seamless. You can tell

918
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: they're not. They couldn't. They couldn't find an actress with

919
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: a big enough mouth to make it not seem just

920
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: weird as hell. Yeah, they're the three whiskey is is zesty, citrus,

921
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: spice and would Yeah, those are the three. Yeah. Let

922
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: me get wood. Yeah, let me get a wood capsule, holmie.

923
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: Let me get three woods real quick. Yeah, and uh,

924
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: two spice in a wood please sue spice ittle woods

925
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: the thing that people want out of their whiskey. I

926
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: guess central notes. Yeah. I always hear it called notes,

927
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm not a you know, a Scotch

928
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: doctor or yeah, a scotch. A scotch thank you, yeah,

929
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: thank you. It's the proper term. I mean, I the

930
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: thing is, I really like Scotch, but I only drink

931
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: it neat. You know, it's like my favorite winter alcohol

932
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: to drink, you know, have the have the fire, you know,

933
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: gather around the hearth. It seems like one of the

934
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: more overwhelming tastes of any of the liquors. Like it's yeah,

935
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: it's a lot to take. That's why a sipping drink.

936
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: So it's but it's a lot of the things that

937
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: people want to do with their thing is that they

938
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: don't take shots of it. But that's because they can't

939
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: have the shot just burst into their mouth. You would

940
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: never you would never do a shot of scotch nobody. Yeah, right,

941
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: thank you, But that's why, you know, I guess these

942
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: cocktails must have, you know, very very specific flavors. So

943
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: it's a nice Scotch based cocktail. I would wonder if

944
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: it's deluded somehow too, just because like what you said, Jack,

945
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: the flavor is so overwhelming. Yeah, it would be a lot.

946
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: Maybe it's more like Southern comfort or something like that.

947
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: People are just like fucking spitting it out like it's

948
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: too much. Yeah. The act the actors are like the

949
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: day rate is not covering. Yeah, they're asking, like, coun

950
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: I actually just use a tide pod for this. I

951
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: think I might be able to make it easier face. Alright, guys,

952
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: let's talk about what is going on with the People's

953
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: Republic of China as it relates to the Houston Rockets

954
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: NBA basketball team. Yeah what wow? Yeah. Darryl Morey is

955
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: the GM of the Houston Rockets, he's uh called dork

956
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: Elvis by Bill Simmons, And they called him dork Elvis. Yeah,

957
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: because he's like a huge deal at like this metrics conference,

958
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: Like he's the man like Metrics here, Darryl Morris here.

959
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: Holy shit, Yeah, he's like Saber metrics. He basically is

960
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: the moneyball guy for the NBA um and he has

961
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: completely defined the identity of of the Rockets, like how

962
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: they play, the fact that James Harden takes as many

963
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: threes as he does, the fact that he draws my

964
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: the fouls as he does that, the fact that they

965
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: built their team around jasign by design, and it's really

966
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: goes back to this guy's philosophy of just like looking

967
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: at the highest value shots on the court and building

968
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: the team from metrics back. And the Rockets were considering

969
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: firing him, according to reports over the weekend, because of

970
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: a single tweet in which he expressed support for the

971
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 1: protesters in Hong Kong. Yeah, it was like like stand

972
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: with democracy, something about democracy, stand with Hong Kong. Nothing,

973
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: nothing mentioning the word China. But I guess obviously if

974
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: there's a binary here, if you're standing with Hong Kong,

975
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: then I guess you're probably against China, and they took that.

976
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: I think the first one of the first responses China

977
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I think we're gonna pull all

978
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,479
Speaker 1: the Houston Rockets games from TV. We are no longer

979
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: interested in broadcasting just a single swath, just literally like

980
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: and I think that was sort of the shot across

981
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: the bow of the NBA saying you want to keep

982
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: doing this. You know, you've spent a lot of time

983
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: like trying to get our dollars and opening up this

984
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: revenue stream that's big for you, and now we will

985
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: show you that your God is money. Yes, uh, and

986
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: march out a player to apologize on behalf of the

987
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: entire NBA. So they got James Harden their star and

988
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: uh two years ago m v P last year m

989
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: VP runner up to apologize on behalf of the organization

990
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: to China and express his love for China and all

991
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: that they're about. That happened. Yes, it was just one

992
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 1: tweet and right now there's they're playing games in Japan

993
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: and so like it was weird. It's him and Russell

994
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: Westbrook anything to say, But James Harden is like, Okay,

995
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: what do I have? Okay, I'll say it and yeah,

996
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: it looks like a hostage video. Let's play. Yeah, we're apologize. Um,

997
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, you know we love China. We love you know,

998
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: playing there. I know, for for both of us individually,

999
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: we go there, you know, once or twice to hear. Uh,

1000
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: they show us the most important love. So you know,

1001
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: we appreciate it as a fan base, and we love

1002
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: everything you know they're about. And and you know we

1003
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: appreciate the support that they give us individually and as

1004
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: an organization. So uh, you know, we love you. Oh my,

1005
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: that was painful, man, dude. We love everything you're about. Love,

1006
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: love to work with the weakers, Yeah, work in harvesting. Yeah,

1007
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: I love everything you're about. I think you can take

1008
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: the alleged out honestly keep but Jesus, I mean, like really,

1009
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: that's just so embarrassing and it's so sad to just

1010
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: see how much this money based system is being like, Okay,

1011
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: fuck it, we can't even like have a be on

1012
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: the right side of something like this. And you can

1013
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: hear the you can you can hear when people are

1014
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: recalling talking points, but you know, we apologize even wait, Dan,

1015
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: can you just play we apologize if the we apologize

1016
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: is so weak up top right, we apologize It sounds

1017
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: almost like or something like the quality of the clip

1018
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: or something. But yeah, I mean the relationship between American

1019
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: corporations and China's tricky because on one hand they are

1020
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: an authoritarian regime that is involved in horrible human rights

1021
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: violations and you know, threatening US implicitly with their weapons.

1022
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, uh, they got a lot

1023
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: of money and they have such a huge market. You know,

1024
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: it's even it's changed the film industry for sure, among everything, yeah,

1025
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: video games, and also I gotta tell you because you

1026
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: guys know, in some of the shows I do, we

1027
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: get involved with research into stuff like Hong Kong, research

1028
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: into stuff like surveillance, states, sesame credit and so on.

1029
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: And now we're hanging out talking about this in the air.

1030
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: Are we going to be able to get in? Probably not? Okay,

1031
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: well I better not see any of us. It goes

1032
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: free to Anna on some video saying we apologize, I

1033
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: won't be able to go to that Twilight theme park

1034
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: they're making. Damn it wasn't. That wasn't. Actually, can we

1035
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: cut this segment? I totally forgot about the Twilight. That's

1036
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: gonna be big. I love you, China, and I apologize

1037
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: honestly dog for everything you're about, which is chilled to me.

1038
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: So I don't know what the big deal is. I'm

1039
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 1: gonna be up at the embassy having that Uh what's

1040
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: that rom com where he holds up the boom box

1041
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: and it's rain anything? Yeah, do say anything at the border? Man,

1042
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: I feel bad. James Harden must be like, why the

1043
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: fund did I have? That's terrible? Seriously, I'm joking around,

1044
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: but that is not just terrible. That's right. That was

1045
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: the most influence. Yeah, when you realize who is the

1046
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, master in this fucking

1047
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: situation where they're also be like okay, well moneys are

1048
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: God and now James Harden go what pulled? Yeah? Unbelievable? Uh,

1049
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: all right with the Joker movie made a bunch of

1050
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: money over the weekends. I saw it, miles, you didn't

1051
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: see it? Do see it? No? I read a lot

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Speaker 1: of think pieces written by people who hadn't seen it

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Speaker 1: before it came out. It's hard not to have a

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01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: think piece just like spontaneously come out of your body

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01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: after watching it, because it's like such an overtly political movie.

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Speaker 1: Like I went to sleep and had nightmares about like

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01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: the world, like our society coming to an end the

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Speaker 1: whole night after watching it. Uh, oh my god. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's pretty good. Huh. It's it's affecting. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a very well put together piece

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01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 1: of propaganda for something for a very specific like point

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01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: of view that is really I guess problematic. It's really strange.

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Speaker 1: So is it caping for this mentality? Like you're justified?

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Speaker 1: It puts you in that I mean, and you're you

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Speaker 1: find yourself like rooting for this lonely, mentally ill guy,

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01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: and the relationship to mental illness is really weird because

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Speaker 1: he sort of becomes fully himself and like the person

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Speaker 1: that you find yourself Like, there are many times where

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Speaker 1: he can't say what he wants to say over the

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Speaker 1: course of the movie, like for the first two thirds,

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Speaker 1: but once he's off his meds, he like becomes the

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Speaker 1: like smoother, cooler version of himself, and like he becomes

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Speaker 1: more violent, but the violent the violence is, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's hard. Now he's an unreliable narrator to right

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Speaker 1: without spoiling things. Yeah, I would say, so he is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's definitely that's definitely suggested a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: but it's still it's interesting. Did you get any did

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Speaker 1: you get any of the because I read stuff where

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Speaker 1: people were saying up like the people in the involuntary

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Speaker 1: in cell, people were supposed to be showing up at

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Speaker 1: theaters or something. So so our writer Jam like my experience,

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Speaker 1: I went fairly late after the kiddies were in bed,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I say, did you bring them just chill?

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Speaker 1: Just children? But I had a pretty normal like there

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Speaker 1: wasn't a big security presence, but our writer Jam McNabb

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01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: went over the weekend and there was not just a

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Speaker 1: security person out front, but a security person inside his

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Speaker 1: screening and like his walkie talkie kept going off like

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01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: during the movie you could hear it, which is pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the media was like on alert, like was

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Speaker 1: there going to be an attack over the weekend and

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of a lot of you know,

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Speaker 1: there there was a foul smell coming from a theater

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Speaker 1: nearby and people were concerned about a gas attack, but

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01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: like they don't know what it was. But yeah, there

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01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: were two men were smoking and causing a ruckus during

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Speaker 1: a screening. But it just sounds like if you pay

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Speaker 1: attention to everyone in movie theaters over the course of

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01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: a weekend, like that is going to happen. There's a

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Speaker 1: foul smell in every movie. Yeah, yea, yeah, the real ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, also causing a ruckus. How would nineteen fifties?

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Speaker 1: Is that like what they're smoking indoors and horsing around

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01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: like I'm smoking a cigarette here. Yeah, I'm sure they

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Speaker 1: were vaping and because this article was written by a

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01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: time traveler from there, that they were smoking it up.

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean jam wrote that he has to

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01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: admit he was a little jump here than normal. I

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01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: was definitely like keeping an eye out. But you know,

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01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: but I think, yeah, right, I mean it's but I

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Speaker 1: feel like, how much of that is just sort of

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Speaker 1: attached to this origin story about the Aurora I where

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Speaker 1: we come for everything? Joker means, you know, we're attaching

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01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: all these like sort of past traumas and things to

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Speaker 1: this one character. Also that theater refused to air the

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Speaker 1: Joker refused to screen it rather. Yeah, It's it's strange

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01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't want to sound conspiratorial. I

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01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: know it's a little bit stereotypical for me. But but

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Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves, like this is getting so

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Speaker 1: much press and the other stuff that you guys just

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01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: talked about earlier in the show, he's getting like equal

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Speaker 1: time or gen less attention, inte. And this is a

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01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: this turns out to be a complete non story in

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Speaker 1: terms of what actually happened. I will say, like it

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Speaker 1: did really well. I would expect it to continue to

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Speaker 1: do well. And I mean it has a very clear

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Speaker 1: message or like a very I don't know. I I

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01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: do think it will be have an effect on the culture,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't think it should be just treated like

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Speaker 1: any other movie. I do. I do think it's probably

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01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: worth keeping an eye on how people are responding to it,

1131
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: because it almost seems like it could be a movie that,

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01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: like the sorts of people who do mass shootings, like

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01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: that sort of mentality would rally behind or at least

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01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: expressing like what they are feeling when they do that,

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01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: which is I guess a valid like artistic. It's not

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01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: like necessarily glorifying it, but it seems like the sort

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Speaker 1: of thing that could be like the sort of rage

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Speaker 1: and anti society, like anti establishment society sentiment a little

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Speaker 1: legitimacy or something. Yeah, how much of the how much

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Speaker 1: of that do you think is rooted in the time

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01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: in which it came out or like, is it is

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01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: it like this very timeless narrative like thirty years from now.

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01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: It's set in the eighties, I think, or sometime around there,

1144
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: early eighties, late seventies, and but it's vision of d

1145
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: life is like very like they refer to like how

1146
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: the city is being overtaken by criminals, and they refer

1147
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: to them as animals. A couple of times those are

1148
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: people in authority. We're not necessarily meant to identify with

1149
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: that sentiment. But he does like get beaten up by

1150
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: a gang of like twelve to fifteen year old children. Uh.

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01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 1: And I think it's a powerful movie. I just don't

1152
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: know if it's power is directed in the right direction

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01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: or how it's going to affect people. Should I see

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01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: it or should I wait for I mean, I think

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01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: we have people who have seen it were like, I

1156
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: mean kind of the same take where it's like he's

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01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: performance is really good and it will kind of funk

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Speaker 1: with you. So I think in that sense, Uh, yeah,

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01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: I think that you know, that's the prerogative of the

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Speaker 1: viewer if they if they want to see it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I I'm probably gonna check it out, but I'll probably

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01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: wait for the screener because I don't want to go

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01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: to movie theaters. Ever. There's nothing like I'm telling you.

1164
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: It's easier to watch in your own home any movie. Sorry, sorry, everyone.

1165
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: The snacks are better. Snacks are better unless it's something

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01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: in IMAX or something shot on large format. Then I'll

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01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: go to the theater. Well, Ben, it's been a pleasure

1168
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: having you. Where can people find you and follow you?

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01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: You can find me and my crew of reprobates at

1170
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know or lousy all

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01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: over the internet, So just search that. You can find

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Speaker 1: us for ridiculous history you're using the employing the same method.

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01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: You can find me getting kicked into and out of

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Speaker 1: various countries, communities, and events. On my Instagram which is

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01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: at ben Boland in a burst of creativity, you can

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Speaker 1: find me doing terrible one liners and uh hot takes.

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Speaker 1: It's stupid, stupid things that sounded smart at the time.

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Speaker 1: On Twitter, where I'm at ben Bowland h s W

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Speaker 1: and uh I've got to have you guys, on ridiculous

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Speaker 1: History again if you like Myles and Jack and did

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Speaker 1: this show. We did, and we did a two parter

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Speaker 1: Weirdest Historical Flexes where flexi history. Yeah, they're there are

1183
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: some weird ones. Ben is their a tweet you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 1: So I found you guys are plagued Inness. You probably

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Speaker 1: already know about this, but I found this hot Takes

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Speaker 1: music spot. Have you heard hot music Takes? So it's

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Speaker 1: just some sort of algorithm where he or it whomever

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01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: created this programmer of the algorithm. Sure, yeah, yeah, is

1189
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: just has made this formula where it says stuff like

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Speaker 1: it's always a one take. Uh, weird comparison or description

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Speaker 1: of an audience that likes a band. So like the

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Speaker 1: Beach Boys makes tool for wine once or for like

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Speaker 1: uh in the Aeroplane over the Sea is just fodder

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Speaker 1: for people with Bible Verse tattoos. Uh. Danny Brown is

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Speaker 1: Vampire Weekend for everyone stuck in five. I haven't really

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Speaker 1: like No, it doesn't good last one. Gucci Maine is

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Speaker 1: the Michael Boublet of people with jewels, Like I don't

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Speaker 1: understand a lot of this, and they're not all, you know,

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Speaker 1: solid gold, but sometimes the algorithm might nail it. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: it's the monkeys and the typewriter. Yeah yeah. Uh Miles,

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Speaker 1: where can people find you? And as their tweet you've

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Speaker 1: been enjoying Twitter, Instagram at Miles of gray tweet I

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Speaker 1: like from Reductress says why I switched to eating only

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Speaker 1: dot com. Uh. You can find me on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Jack Underscore O'Brien. A couple of tweets I've been enjoying

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Speaker 1: Earl sweatshirt twee. Ea did butt naked standing in front

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Speaker 1: of the computer with the Captain Morgan stance. I would

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Speaker 1: I just want to say to the federal agent looking

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Speaker 1: through my front cam, welcome to the meat show. Because

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Speaker 1: oh and Patton Oswalt tweeted, seriously, who is this actress?

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Speaker 1: She's having such a blast being evil and she's got

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Speaker 1: to riff the whole thing. Just amazing about a video

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Speaker 1: of the woman who plays both the Evil Queen and

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Speaker 1: um Maleficent at Disneyland and is just so great at it.

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Speaker 1: People should check out her work. And then Brentister tweeted me,

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Speaker 1: I need a bank loan, Please back manager? How much

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Speaker 1: a check on the squirrel Brian. You can find us

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. Were at the Daily Zeitgeist

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a

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Speaker 1: website Daily zieis dot com. We post our episodes and

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Speaker 1: our footnote. We link off to the information that we

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Speaker 1: talked about today's episode, as well as the song we

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Speaker 1: ride on Miles, What's that gonna be? Okay? Another track

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Speaker 1: from Little Sims. We we did a Little Sims track

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Speaker 1: from her last week, but this whole her album is

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Speaker 1: really good. I can't The more I listen, the more

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Speaker 1: I'm just getting drawn in. And I'm thinking she is

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Speaker 1: one of the most talented MC has ever in a while.

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Speaker 1: You guys, play another one? Yeah, I think maybe it

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Speaker 1: was the last one. So check out the track Venom.

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Speaker 1: This is the track called Venom again. Very simple, but

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Speaker 1: just spuckle up because open your ears and you might

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Speaker 1: have to pause and rewind to get all of the

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Speaker 1: verses into your mind. All right, we're going to ride

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Speaker 1: out on that. The Daily zey geis to the production

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Speaker 1: visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you

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Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows. That's gonna do it for today.

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Speaker 1: We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily

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Speaker 1: podcast and we'll talk to you then Bye bye. Venom

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Speaker 1: down my mind if you be heard, heard and then

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Speaker 1: what right must have been a pass? I am a

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Speaker 1: pause life. I don't want to ever come down from

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Speaker 1: my height. My soul would send it to the sky.

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Speaker 1: You said you and nine gonna unwilling to a live

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Speaker 1: trying to get me outside. Someone's got a pair. You

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Speaker 1: ain't talking big amounts, some kind of physical pain, some

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Speaker 1: kind of traumatic. Ship niggas want to see dead bodies,

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Speaker 1: probably not being wrongly with no automatic clips, bober scatter

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Speaker 1: and ship oh your man. Then come at me, you prick.

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01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: Make a move better, pattering it quick. I assume you'll

1261
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: be coming for blood. That makes two revots. That makes

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01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: two revolts better. Down