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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday. We're here with your Breaking

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Speaker 3: Points Friday edition. Crystal group a mustache. I actually know

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Speaker 3: the day because Griffin is also at a work event.

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Speaker 4: So Mac Ryan excited to be here. We got a

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Speaker 4: lot of news.

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Speaker 5: All right, let's do it roll. Yeah, we got a

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Speaker 5: lot we're going to get into. We have stealing this

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Speaker 5: teeing up here from Emily. We have the Trump Truth

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Speaker 5: post calling for an insurrection.

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Speaker 6: To be called for here in the United states.

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Speaker 5: We have an instriction to be squashed, the Well insurrection

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Speaker 5: to be squashed, the insurrection to act to be utilized

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Speaker 5: by Trump. We have him quote unquote joking, according to

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Speaker 5: Caroline Leavitt, about canceling the twenty twenty six midterm elections.

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Speaker 5: We're going to get into the latest on ICE, including

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Speaker 5: a homicide that reportedly happened at a facility in Texas.

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Speaker 5: We have a Gavin Newsom with Ben Shapiro talking about

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Speaker 5: the transing of the kids as well as sort of

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Speaker 5: backing off some of his criticism of ICE. We're going

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Speaker 5: to get into Sean Ryan turning on Donald Trump over

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Speaker 5: his cover up on the Epstein files.

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Speaker 6: And then if we can.

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Speaker 5: Get to it, we have Lindsey Graham weeping and crying

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Speaker 5: over the lack of an Iran bombing by Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: And then we're also going to be joined by a guest,

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Speaker 5: one of the New York City nurses that have just

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Speaker 6: So a lot of good stuff to get to here.

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Speaker 7: And one thing I got to add is that last

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Speaker 7: night I interviewed a woman who participated for several days

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Speaker 7: gave me details about the massacre and kind of what

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Speaker 7: kind of disguise her voice because there's her family is

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Speaker 7: still in Iran and would face repercussions if she spoke

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Speaker 7: until the weekend, but we'll have that as well.

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Speaker 6: Great stuff.

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Speaker 5: So do we want to go ahead and jump into

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Speaker 5: this and start off with the the Insurrection Act reportedly

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Speaker 5: in play here from the Trump administration. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 5: ahead and pull up this truth Social here if I

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Speaker 5: can share my screen. So here we have Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: on his truth Social saying, if the corrupt politicians of

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Speaker 5: Minnesota don't obey the law and stop the professional agitators

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Speaker 5: and insurrectionists from attacking the patriots of Ice who are

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Speaker 5: only trying to do their job, I will institute the

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Speaker 5: in Direction Act, which many presidents have done before me,

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Speaker 5: and quickly put an end to the travesty that is

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Speaker 5: taking place in that once great state. Thank you for

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Speaker 5: your attention on this matter, Signed President DJ to you.

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Speaker 7: And so the thing that Republicans, some Republicans are saying

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Speaker 7: in response to this is that hey, and as Trump said,

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Speaker 7: there are lots of presidents have done this before, and

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Speaker 7: I think the number is seventeen. I've seen that floating around.

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Speaker 7: I think it's been deployed about in like thirty different instances.

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Speaker 7: I was going the Brennan Center has a timeline of

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Speaker 7: all the different times Insurrection Act has been used. And

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Speaker 7: if anybody out there is looking for a podcast idea

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Speaker 7: like that would be that would be it like just

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Speaker 7: thirty episodes about the thirty different.

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Speaker 7: Thirty episodes? That's three what three seasons?

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Speaker 7: But if you if you look at, if you run

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Speaker 7: through when the Insurrection Act has been used, these are

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Speaker 7: the kinds of things that were blurbs in your history textbook.

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Speaker 7: Nobody nobody can put down the Green Mountain Boys. That's

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Speaker 7: never going to happen. You've got Andrew Jackson using it

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Speaker 7: Modern era, you've got George H. W. Bush using it

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Speaker 7: you know, Vermont had a lot of ties with the French.

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Speaker 7: You know, Jefferson not a fan of Vermont the first

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Speaker 7: for instance, they used the Insurrection Act to put that down.

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Speaker 7: They actually seems like they did it illegally, but set

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Speaker 7: that aside. This would be basically the first case where

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Speaker 7: the federal government instigated the thing. And then in the

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Speaker 7: two hundred people protesting the other night, Like we're not talking,

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Speaker 7: we're not talking about thousands or tens of thousands of

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Speaker 7: You know, there was that viral interview on Status kup

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Speaker 7: as Grant taking on the Klan, which is another example

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Speaker 7: Collfax massacre, which is another example of the insurrection. So

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Speaker 7: none of it fits. But Emily what he is the right?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 6: Where where's the right ones?

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Speaker 7: Are they agitating for this? They're like, yeah, let's go

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Speaker 7: trying to really finish off Will Stancel and his boys,

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Speaker 3: What we should explain looking at the Brennan Setter website

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Speaker 3: right now, the way that they put it, the Insurrection

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Speaker 3: And as Brennan Center says, quote, is it is dangerously

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Speaker 3: and then there is an obscure, Insurrection Act doesn't obscure,

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Speaker 3: but it's long it's a long standing law that actually

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Speaker 3: a constitutional question here and a prudential question. The constitutional

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Speaker 3: question it's he probably can do it. Tom Cotton, people

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Speaker 3: The New York Times retracted famously in twenty twenty during

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Speaker 4: He said, send in the troops.

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Speaker 3: It was the headline The New York Times gave it

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Speaker 3: and argued that Trump should have beenvoked the Insurrection Act

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Speaker 3: to quell, as he put it, quote, violent riots.

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Speaker 4: And so I think the perspective that the people are.

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Speaker 3: Coming from is if you don't take significant action to

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Speaker 3: quell violence, it only gets worse. I do think there's

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Speaker 3: some evidence of that in the summer of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: I think it is unfortunate.

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Speaker 3: You guys are going to disagree with me on this,

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Speaker 3: but unfortunate that there's not federal cooperation to get violent

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Speaker 3: people out of Minneapolis. And I'm talking about non citizens

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Speaker 3: with violent criminal convictions. But that's it. It's hard for me,

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Speaker 3: like on this whole thing since last week, I'm just

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Speaker 3: always being pulled in multiple directions because it's Trump's response

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Speaker 7: And the problem with that argument is that, as Mom

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Speaker 7: Donnie pointed out to Trump, that the New York sanctuary

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Speaker 7: law has an exception for violent criminals. That if ice

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Speaker 7: He's been convicted of salt and battery, even or he's

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Speaker 7: been convicted of involuntary manslaughter, and he's right here in

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Speaker 7: those circumstances, Mam Donnie has said we would cooperate with that.

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Speaker 7: I would suspect that the Minneapolis sanctuary policy because I

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Speaker 7: hit by commercials that say they're protecting violent criminals, so

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Speaker 6: I think he would have the cooperation of.

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Speaker 6: If he But that's not what he wants.

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Speaker 7: He wants what he's getting, which is what means of

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I don't know what the Minneapolis line

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Speaker 3: There's just a couple of examples that I'm looking at

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Speaker 3: not a huge thing here. But you have an Ecuadorian

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at one.

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Speaker 3: So that does sometimes happen where people go into jail

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Speaker 3: that aside, though, and just say the well, here, Mac,

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think I agree with kind of

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Speaker 5: Like people locally are in an organic way, responding to

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Speaker 5: have some people who are just driving in from you know,

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Speaker 5: you know a lot of the rights saying all of

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Speaker 9: She said that he was joking about canceling the elections.

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Speaker 8: Generations have fought and died for democracy for this democracy.

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Speaker 4: So as much as you know, well he on.

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, like, as much as some

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Speaker 4: He's Napoleon posting.

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Speaker 3: He's out there saying he who saves this country violates

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Speaker 4: The New York Times quote.

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Speaker 7: So Agay, it made me feel a lot better.

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Speaker 4: What could go wrong?

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Speaker 4: The point that I just make big pictures, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I want people to be safe, and I don't think

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Speaker 3: I don't think Donald Trump is making people much safer

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Speaker 4: I'm also am though, bagging for Jacob.

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Speaker 7: get ice out of here, like get them out of stop,

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't dispute at all that there's potentially people inside

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Speaker 7: Over a legal immigration.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Jacob Brice said, get the fuck out of

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Speaker 5: You know, that's a classic, like, let me deploy some

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Speaker 5: Moving on to the latest on the ice protests in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 6: They say.

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Speaker 5: When US Immigration and Customs Enforcement announced to the January

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Speaker 6: But what are your guys thoughts on this?

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Speaker 5: Good luck right well, and to your point, Ryan, real quick,

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Speaker 7: It's systematic the deprivation of medication. Whether it is deliberate,

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Speaker 6: The law is extremely clear.

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Speaker 7: If you have prescription medications, you have to give the medications.

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Speaker 7: The guy could be a serial killer, you're supposed to

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Speaker 6: These are not serial killers.

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Speaker 7: Fifty five year old Cuban like fleeing like the starvation

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Speaker 4: It's just sort of generally my positions.

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Speaker 3: because some of it was created legal pathways. Bid administration

444
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Speaker 3: created some legal pathways. There was a lot of granting

445
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Speaker 3: of asylum without detention people. So the New York Times

446
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Speaker 3: estimate is low, but it's eight million people in about

447
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Speaker 3: three years. It's multiple populations of states put together that

448
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 3: becomes and it cannot become obviously cannot become because it

449
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: is such a serious situation.

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Speaker 4: It cannot become an excuse for cruelty.

451
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Speaker 3: And Ryan said, what was the phrase you used, like malicious,

452
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Speaker 3: malicious negligence. That's when it's easiest to drop your standards,

453
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: is when it's easiest to start doing torture during the

454
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Speaker 3: Iraq War, that's when Abu graves happen. When you have,

455
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Speaker 3: I think, such a frustrating and significant situation, that's obviously difficult.

456
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Speaker 3: And so yeah, I would be lying if I said

457
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Speaker 3: that's not a serious concern, because it is a frustrating scenario.

458
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Speaker 3: But that's no excuse for failing to if you're out there,

459
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Speaker 3: you know, and I think rightfully the three of us

460
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Speaker 3: disagree on us, but rightfully saying patriotic things about the

461
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Speaker 3: United States and reveling in the good of the United

462
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Speaker 3: States and the sort of benevolence of the United States overall.

463
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Speaker 3: And that's the patriotism that you're bringing to the table

464
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Speaker 3: in the Trump administration. You have to uphold that every

465
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Speaker 3: every step of the way. There's no there's no excuse

466
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Speaker 3: for cruelty. So that's what I would add right, Yes,

467
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Speaker 3: it's going to be the hardest right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And to the point of the malicious negligence aspect

469
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Speaker 5: of this, I also just wanted to point this out.

470
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Speaker 5: So this facility, it was awarded to an LLC, Acquisition

471
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Speaker 5: Logistics LLC, this one point two billion dollar contract that

472
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Speaker 5: they got through the Army. They have no listed experience

473
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Speaker 5: in running a correction facility. They had never won a

474
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Speaker 5: federal contract worth more than sixteen million dollars. The company

475
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Speaker 5: lacks even a functioning website and lists its address as

476
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Speaker 5: a modest home in suburban Virginia. So, you know, you

477
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Speaker 5: also have the angle here of sort of the awarding

478
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Speaker 5: of these massive contracts to companies in many cases that

479
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Speaker 5: are just interested in making a profit, and so you're

480
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Speaker 5: going to have substandard conditions, they're going to cut corners,

481
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Speaker 5: they're not going to prioritize anybody's safety or well being

482
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Speaker 5: when that's not sort of the goal of the business

483
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Speaker 5: that that they're in.

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Speaker 7: Yep, yeah, that's right, And and that's that's a product

485
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Speaker 7: of the rushed execution of the policy here, like we're

486
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Speaker 7: gonna we're gonna build, you know, we're going to find

487
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Speaker 7: nature preserves and other places everglades to build these and

488
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Speaker 7: then we're going to build them on military basis, and

489
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Speaker 7: we're going to build them as quickly as possible, and

490
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Speaker 7: we're going to find yes, contractors who have no significant

491
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Speaker 7: qualifications to do this, throw money at them, and if

492
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Speaker 7: you don't care, then then that can work.

493
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Speaker 3: Becomes a different kind of feeding our future situation where

494
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Speaker 3: you get passed through type like in all serious is

495
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Speaker 3: where you have something that's a contractor that sprouts up

496
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Speaker 3: out of nowhere in its based at a home in

497
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Speaker 3: suburban Virginia, and someone is just doing rush stuff to

498
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Speaker 3: break in as much federal money as possible, right.

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Speaker 7: Right, If the taxpayers are spending you know, enormous amounts

500
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Speaker 7: of money her person, and most of that money is

501
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Speaker 7: going to the owners of these companies, and then what's

502
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Speaker 7: left they use to hire or try to hire remotely

503
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Speaker 7: qualified people, which they're not doing. And that's the other irony.

504
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Speaker 7: Like if you talk to people who are involved in

505
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Speaker 7: setting up these things, the hardest thing to do is

506
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Speaker 7: to find qualified staff, qualified employees. So in other words,

507
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Speaker 7: we don't have the workforce to staff the project that

508
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Speaker 7: is aiming to deport millions of people.

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Speaker 4: Right, No, Yeah, this is completely overwhelmed.

510
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Speaker 7: Who thought this through? Did anybody think is through?

511
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Speaker 4: So the system is completely overwhelmed.

512
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Speaker 7: And so the problem is we have too many people,

513
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Speaker 7: yet in order to get rid of these people, we

514
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Speaker 7: don't have the people to do it.

515
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Speaker 3: The system is completely overwhelmed. I do think that was

516
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Speaker 3: by design and the Biden administration, but that is not

517
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Speaker 3: an excuse. So it's not an excuse to drop standards.

518
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Speaker 7: I don't know, if you look at the reporting on

519
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Speaker 7: the period, seems more like incompetence combination.

520
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Speaker 5: Should we go ahead and take a look here at

521
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Speaker 5: some of the latest out of Minneapolis as protests are

522
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Speaker 5: continuing in the aftermath of the shooting and killing of

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Speaker 5: Renee Good. I just want to start off with this

524
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Speaker 5: first clip here. This is a guy who claims he

525
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Speaker 5: wasn't even involved in any sort of protest and that

526
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Speaker 5: his car was attacked by ice officers who threw a

527
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Speaker 5: smoke grenade where apparently six of his kids were inside.

528
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Speaker 7: Let's go ahead and listen to a little bit of

529
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Speaker 7: this office.

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Speaker 10: Ooh, flash bands and tear gas in my car and

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Speaker 10: maybe I got I got kids in a car on

532
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Speaker 10: my sixth Monster six my safe breathe. My two year

533
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Speaker 10: old got then flicked out the damn car. This is

534
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Speaker 10: flicked over my car. Fill as here, guys, I'm I'm

535
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Speaker 10: trying to pull my kids out of the car. I'm

536
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Speaker 10: telling an officer, I mean, amble is. It took them

537
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Speaker 10: five fucking minutes going back and Forthward meets the all

538
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Speaker 10: back in our call and tell them to come on, Lindo.

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Speaker 2: They can't even come up.

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Speaker 6: Lindo participating in the I wasn't. I wasn't at all.

541
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Speaker 6: I didn't care to be.

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Speaker 5: So, he says, he wasn't even participating in the protests.

543
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Speaker 5: Was sort of caught up in stuff that was developing

544
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Speaker 5: around him, and then got smoke grenade. He says, a

545
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Speaker 5: flash bang was was thrown into the car. You can

546
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Speaker 5: see the car seat in the back. I mean, pretty

547
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Speaker 5: bleak stuff. We also have another one here that I

548
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Speaker 5: wanted to show. There was a separate interview that I'll

549
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: get to here in a second with this kid that

550
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Speaker 5: was involved in it this, but I'm gonna cut it

551
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Speaker 5: short because there is a bit where it does show

552
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Speaker 5: a little bit of blood. But this is a guy

553
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Speaker 5: who was basically holding a megaphone towards these these officers

554
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Speaker 5: over here and was shot basically point blank in the

555
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Speaker 5: face and ended up I think losing his eye as

556
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Speaker 5: a result of this.

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Speaker 6: And you can see it right there.

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Speaker 5: And then immediately after he gets shot there, you can

559
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Speaker 5: see here going forward that the officers here just basically

560
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Speaker 5: drag his body off into the distance. If this will

561
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Speaker 5: if this will load here, Yeah, they basically just pick

562
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Speaker 5: him up and then just drag him off and falling

563
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Speaker 5: down as he's doing it.

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Speaker 4: By the way, with these ice are these California? Is

565
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Speaker 4: that like a is what are those officers?

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Speaker 5: I think this may have been some of the officers

567
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Speaker 5: responding to it.

568
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like they look at cops.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it may have been federal agents who

570
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Speaker 5: are there in working with ice. We'd also have another

571
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Speaker 5: one here of the follow up to this, this guy

572
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Speaker 5: losing his his eye here in this interview. If I

573
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Speaker 5: can pull this up, his name is Kayden Rumbler. He

574
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Speaker 5: says I will be blind for life. They pulled a

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Speaker 5: piece of plastic the size of a nickel out of

576
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Speaker 5: my eye. I had shards of metal, glass and plastic

577
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Speaker 5: in my skull. And they say it's a miracle that

578
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Speaker 5: he survived. And you can obviously see pretty gruesome injury

579
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Speaker 5: there to his eye. But you know, again, this is

580
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Speaker 5: just some of the latest chaos that's unfolding in in

581
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Speaker 5: Minnesota amidst in Minnesota and around the country amidst this

582
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Speaker 5: sort of crackdown.

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Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, standing there with a bullhorn is protected First

584
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Speaker 7: Amendment activity like that is. There could not be anything

585
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Speaker 7: more First Amendment free speech right to protest than then

586
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Speaker 7: expressing yourself with a bullhorn at a protest like that is.

587
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Speaker 7: That's what is supposed to separate us from like China

588
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 7: and Russia and Saudi Arabia, Like that's the that's it

589
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Speaker 7: right there, like that. We have a lot of problems,

590
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Speaker 7: but we have the freedom to express our dissent against

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Speaker 7: the policies of art of our government.

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Speaker 5: Well, and we saw this with with Ken's reporting as well,

593
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Speaker 5: Ken Klippenstein who put out this refresher that apparently was

594
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Speaker 5: sent out to ICE officers about what's protected and what's

595
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 5: not protected activities. And they have to remind these guys

596
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 5: apparently behind the scenes that yeah, filming an ICE officer

597
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 5: or even yelling expletives at them or cursing at them

598
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 5: or taunting them or saying mean things to them. That's

599
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 5: entirely First Amendment protected activities. Now, you know, again, I

600
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 5: see a lot of people, politicians, democrats specifically, who put

601
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Speaker 5: out these informative videos or statements and they say, these

602
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 5: are your rights that you have. You can film them,

603
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Speaker 5: you can do this and that, And to me, it's like,

604
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Speaker 5: we have these rights on paper, right, it is legal

605
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Speaker 5: to film them. But then I see half a dozen

606
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Speaker 5: videos coming out every single day of ICE agents tackling people,

607
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 5: arresting people for the crime of filming them, or you know,

608
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Speaker 5: saying f you or whatever.

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Speaker 7: Right having the right is not going to bring you know,

610
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Speaker 7: Caden's eye back right and almost his life like that,

611
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 7: Like to have all that stuff in your brain and

612
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 7: be bounced around by the officer like that, like any

613
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Speaker 7: one of those bounces could have tilt to that debris

614
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Speaker 7: and kind of and killed them.

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Speaker 4: They say.

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Speaker 3: And what you can see in the video that's it's

617
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Speaker 3: like a point blake, blank shot with a pepper ball basically.

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Speaker 3: So let me I'm reading from the local ABC news

619
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Speaker 3: report that says it was to max point federal officers.

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Speaker 3: It looks like it's DHS from from what I can

621
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Speaker 3: tell it looks like it's dj DHS.

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Speaker 4: And then this is what DHS is saying.

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Speaker 3: She called the group quote violent rioters and said that

624
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Speaker 3: two officers were injured.

625
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Speaker 4: And here's what they say about Sites.

626
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Speaker 3: Who is the one who was getting dragged by the army.

627
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Speaker 3: The federal complaint alleged Sites failed to leave the property

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Speaker 3: despite warnings and threw an orange conant. Officers then resisted

629
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Speaker 3: arrests and struck an officer on the shoulder and in

630
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Speaker 3: the groin. ABC goes on to say details weren't immediately

631
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Speaker 3: available about the second set of charges filed, and the

632
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Speaker 3: US Attorney's office didn't immediately respond to questions about them,

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Speaker 3: so probably more uh to come.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he was certainly Yeah, he was certainly flailing

635
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Speaker 7: after he got hit in the face. They can call

636
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Speaker 7: that resisting if they want.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's the other guy, so the.

638
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Speaker 3: You're talking right, yeah, right, yeah, the guy who's got

639
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Speaker 3: who got dragged out by the arm So, uh, I

640
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Speaker 3: have no problem with people protesting ice whatsoever at all.

641
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Speaker 3: I just don't think it's going to make anybody safer

642
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: to resist a rast or to throw if it's true.

643
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: I don't know that it's true that he threw a

644
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Speaker 3: cone and hid an officer in the groin or whatever.

645
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: If that's true, I don't think that's making anybody safer,

646
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Speaker 3: let alone yourself in these conditions. So I would just

647
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: urge everybody, by all means protest, but be careful and

648
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Speaker 3: think about your own safety, the safety of people around you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, these federal troops as is just you know, do

650
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Speaker 7: something else.

651
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Speaker 6: Should we go.

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Speaker 4: Ahead and check in they should have more training in

653
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Speaker 4: civil liberties. I don't dispute that in any way.

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Speaker 6: Right.

655
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Speaker 5: Should we go ahead and check in here with the

656
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Speaker 5: mayor of Minneapolis and see him sort of backing off,

657
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 5: you know a couple of you know, a day after

658
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Speaker 5: the day of the shooting of Rene Good, he came

659
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Speaker 5: out and he told Ice to to get the fuck out,

660
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Speaker 5: and uh, you know, was was sort of praised for

661
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Speaker 5: the rhetoric there, but it seems like he's kind of

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Speaker 5: at least watering down a little bit his his criticism. Here,

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Speaker 5: he's on Fox News and he's asked about abolishing ICE.

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Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and listen to a little bit of

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Speaker 5: this and then I'll show you guys a side by

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Speaker 5: side of Randy Fine chiming in and giving a different

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Speaker 5: interpretation of of what Jacob is saying.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 9: Let me get you on record if I can, mister Maier,

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Speaker 9: do you support abolishing ice?

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Speaker 11: I do not support abolishing ice. I, however, I absolutely

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Speaker 11: oppose the way that this administration is conducting themselves with us.

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Speaker 6: Look, there are a number of entities presently. Agents is

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Speaker 6: about no, you should read the lawsuit.

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Speaker 11: The lawsuit says that, hey, you know, we so I

676
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Speaker 11: doing ice stuff is not what.

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Speaker 6: We're talking about right now.

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Speaker 11: Again, we've had ice in our city before, We've had

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Speaker 11: ice in our state before. It is the fact that look,

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Speaker 11: right now, there are there's about three thousand federal ICE

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Speaker 11: agents in our city, between ice and border control.

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Speaker 6: You know how many police officers? Did?

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Speaker 2: We have?

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Speaker 6: Six hundred?

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Speaker 12: Right?

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Speaker 6: The kind of all? Right, so what do we sort

687
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Speaker 6: of to make of that?

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Speaker 7: By the way, first of all, can you imagine if

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Speaker 7: Omar Fata had won that election right what this national

690
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Speaker 7: conversation would be like right now? Yeah, there would be

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Speaker 7: there would be fifty thousand federal troops in Minneapolis, and

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Speaker 7: they would have arrested him by now. So the fact

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Speaker 7: that you got Jacob there probably changes that calculation a

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Speaker 7: little bit.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's also important to point out

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Speaker 5: just the polling data within the Democratic voter base on this,

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Speaker 5: Like I saw some recent polling, it's it's overwhelmingly a

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Speaker 5: majority of Democratic voters that at this point support abolishing

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Speaker 5: I support at least reducing the scope and the funding

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Speaker 5: of ICE. And you're just not really seeing that reflected

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Speaker 5: in a majority of elected Democratic officials, especially at the

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Speaker 5: national level.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me just.

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Speaker 3: Add to that though, during the first Trump administration that

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Speaker 3: we saw a very similar pattern and we saw Ryan

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Speaker 3: you can speak to this. I think you even you've

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Speaker 3: written about it and is it in the squad you

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Speaker 3: were right about You've covered this about how there was

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Speaker 3: this momentum for the abolished ICE.

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Speaker 7: Movement and it became it at elected and yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: Then Democrats have i think probably rightfully looked back and

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Speaker 3: said there are ways that ended up hurting them, because

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Speaker 3: public opinion.

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Speaker 4: Can be ephemeral and can be swayed by how politics. Well,

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Speaker 4: obviously it is swayed often by how politics ship.

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Speaker 3: But it's not necessarily true that two years from now,

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Speaker 3: in a presidential election or even during the midterms, that

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Speaker 3: Democratic opinion is going to be exactly the same on

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Speaker 3: abolish ICE.

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Speaker 4: So I would say that's probably why there's more caution

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 3: And then I would also say that Republicans should listen

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Speaker 3: to what Jacob Fry just said on Fox News where

724
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Speaker 3: Griff Jenkins was saying, isn't that what your lawsuit is about?

725
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Speaker 3: Ultimately stopping Ice? And that Fry kind of answered a

726
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Speaker 3: different question. He kind of answered the first question, do

727
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Speaker 3: you want to abolish Ice? Because what he wants to

728
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Speaker 3: do right now, and what he's openly saying is he's

729
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Speaker 3: stopping what ICE is doing right now. He's not trying

730
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Speaker 3: to stop ICE itself, but he's trying to stop what

731
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Speaker 3: ICE is doing right now. That Republicans, this is the

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Speaker 3: flip side of it, should pay attention because the polling

733
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Speaker 3: is with Jacob Fry on stopping what ICE is doing

734
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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and it goes back to I think what I

736
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 7: was saying earlier that if the administration came to the

737
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Speaker 7: mayor and said, look, fine, let's cooperate on here's a

738
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Speaker 7: list of three thousand violent criminals who are here illegally,

739
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Speaker 7: let's work together and to deport these people, and we

740
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Speaker 7: will stop patrolling the streets going to construction sites and

741
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Speaker 7: Mexican restaurants that I think I think at that point

742
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Speaker 7: Democrats would take it. But that but that that that's

743
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Speaker 7: not the goal, Like, that's not what that's not what

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Speaker 7: Miller wants. Maybe Trump would be cool with that doesn't

745
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Speaker 7: doesn't matter. He's that the Prime Minister Stephen Miller is

746
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Speaker 7: not and so he's going to push it and so

747
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Speaker 7: and and that's why I think that all of the

748
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Speaker 7: numbers that you're looking at at the polling now are

749
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Speaker 7: a snapshot in time. But if we have another three

750
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Speaker 7: years of this of him, of him sending ice from

751
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Speaker 7: city to city. They're going to Portland and Lewiston, Maine

752
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Speaker 7: apparently today or tomorrow. There's because there's a Somali community there,

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Speaker 7: So we're gonna get images out of Maine.

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Speaker 6: The numbers are.

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Speaker 7: Only going to swing even further against. I might have

756
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Speaker 7: to jump off in a minute. I might be able

757
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Speaker 7: to stay, but if I leave, all of a sudden,

758
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Speaker 7: we're reported deported from this show.

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Speaker 3: Well, we have mac here today who looks like an

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00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: ICE officer, so he just kicks Ryan enough. But this

761
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Speaker 3: is the other thing I mean, like for this is

762
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Speaker 3: purely from a political perspective, The Trump administration seems to

763
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: think leaning into these images. We were talking about this

764
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Speaker 3: with the Insurrection Act is what will make it more

765
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Speaker 3: palatable to the public if you're.

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Speaker 4: Fomenting violence from the left, Not that I think you

767
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Speaker 4: need to.

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Speaker 3: I think there are plenty of agitators who are going

769
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Speaker 3: to do this whether or not Donald Trump and books

770
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Speaker 3: the Insurrection Act.

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Speaker 4: We're already kind of seeing that.

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Speaker 3: But the point is if they're trying to inflame the

773
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Speaker 3: situation and make it look even worse, make it get

774
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Speaker 3: even worse, and they're trying to show ice cracking down

775
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Speaker 3: in ways where you see a twenty one year old

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Speaker 3: getting hit with a pepper ball to the eye by

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Speaker 3: two feet between the barrel of the.

778
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Speaker 4: Gun in his face, Well that.

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Speaker 3: Is a political miscalculation quite obviously, in the same way

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Speaker 3: that it was a political miscalculation I think for them

781
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: celean into abolish ice for so long. So if they

782
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Speaker 3: think that going to Portland, Maine and going around the

783
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Speaker 3: country with like ice kitted out and spring pepper balls

784
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Speaker 3: in the eyes of twenty one year olds is going

785
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Speaker 3: to be helpful, it's not.

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Speaker 4: It's not going to be helpful.

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Speaker 3: Even again, like politically, if they want to do those

788
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: operations all over the country. What will behoove them is

789
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: looking orderly and just and fair and calm, and that's

790
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: obviously not the images even that they are disseminating themselves.

791
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, nobody's making the case for abolish ICE

792
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 5: better than Stephen Miller Right now. Should we go ahead

793
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Speaker 5: real quick and check in with the Governor Tim Waltz,

794
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 5: who's apparently on his way out, not running for reelection,

795
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Speaker 5: but he had a statement that he put out recently

796
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Speaker 5: calling for people to continue filming ICE agents. He says

797
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 5: he wants to create a data of the atrocities against Minnesotans,

798
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Speaker 5: not just to establish a record for posterity, but to

799
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Speaker 5: bank evidence for future prosecutions.

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Speaker 6: What do you guys think about that? Man preach?

801
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Speaker 5: Governor do you think do you think there will be

802
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 5: any sort of real accountability in.

803
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Speaker 7: The future, As people have said many times from the

804
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 7: other direction, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have

805
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 7: no fear.

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00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there will be. I think there's gonna

807
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: be enormous appetite. I mean, depending how things go, but

808
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Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be a enormous appetite for them.

809
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: That's where we talked about this on Wednesday show. Steven

810
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Speaker 3: Miller saying you have absolute federal immunity to ice officers

811
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Speaker 3: is not even helpful to his own ice officers because

812
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 3: you have these guys coming in and hearing Stephen Miller

813
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: say absolute federal immunity, and maybe what that I mean,

814
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: that's that's almost like a not a lie. I mean,

815
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Speaker 3: maybe it's a lie biomission to these guys who hear

816
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: that and say absolute immunity, because it sounds like absolute immunity.

817
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: Even though he's saying absolute federal immunity, you may face

818
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: retribution when there's a different federal administration, but then also

819
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: on the state level as well. So that's I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's the thing with Derek Chauvin right now. Right if

821
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: you were got a federal pardon, they're saying he could

822
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: end up just still in prison because the state would prosecute.

823
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: So there's not necessarily quote absolute immunity, even if there's

824
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: absolute federal immunity right now.

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00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, and state did right Keith Ellison locked him up.

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Speaker 4: So we also have.

827
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Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom interviewing Ben Shapiro on his podcast, why Gavin

828
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Speaker 3: Newson feels the need to have a podcast.

829
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I guess the obvious answer is he's running for president.

831
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Speaker 3: But let's go ahead and take a look at this call.

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Speaker 8: She was domestic terrorist who's attempting to run over officers

833
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Speaker 8: with her car and was legitimately trying not not just

834
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Speaker 8: this officer, but multiple officers. As the original statement I

835
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 8: said at the time, I thought that was Andrew. And

836
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 8: then your press office tweeted out that it was state

837
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Speaker 8: sponsored terrorism, which I mean, Governor, I have to ask

838
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Speaker 8: you about that, that that sort of makes our politics worse. Yeah,

839
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 8: and it does, and our our ice officers obviously are

840
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Speaker 8: not terrorists.

841
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 7: A tragic situation is not state sponsored terrorism.

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Speaker 3: YEA one was all right, So that clip's going viral

843
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: because Newsom says, yeah, I think that's fair.

844
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Speaker 4: Any reaction here to Greasey.

845
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Speaker 5: Gavin Well, I honestly I didn't know that this was

846
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 5: him interviewing Ben Shapiro, which makes it somehow worse than

847
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 5: him going on Ben Shapiro's show for me, because I

848
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 5: haven't seen Gavin on any genuine like left wing podcast

849
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 5: to to face real challenges and criticism from the left.

850
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: But he had Ben Shapiro on his podcast and sort

851
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 5: of walking back his label of ICE as domestic terrorists,

852
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 5: and what.

853
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 7: Was the incident that he's saying was state he said,

854
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 7: with state sponsored.

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Speaker 6: I think it was the shooting of Renee Good.

856
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 4: It was Renee Good.

857
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, it just I mean, yeah, come on, stand up

858
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 7: for your social media team here. It's not it's not

859
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 7: you're not saying that all ICE officers are terrorists. You're

860
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 7: saying that that was terrorism. And since they killed Renee Good,

861
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 7: ICE officers have repeatedly told other protesters, didn't you see

862
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 7: what happened to her? Didn't you learn the lesson from that?

863
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 7: Like that is definitionally the goal of of terroristic violence

864
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 7: to stoke terror so that you control other so that

865
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 7: you control a future outcome. But anyway he wants to

866
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 7: back off of that.

867
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Speaker 5: Okay, has he had any left wing people on his

868
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 5: podcast like people just I mean, I'm sure he's talked

869
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 5: to the Abundance people or whatever, but no, I mean,

870
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Speaker 5: come on, come on, breaking points, Gavin or got to

871
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 5: have us on. Although we have ran your podcast. He

872
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 5: seems to do everything in studio like I'm not going

873
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 5: to California for that.

874
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, well no, I'm not going to say Sacremento.

875
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 7: Sacramento loves. I love Sacramento, but I don't.

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00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 6: I'm not.

877
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 5: It's a long flight not happening. But invite Mac like,

878
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 5: come on, I'll come on. Yeah, I'll go out there.

879
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 5: Mac don't have kids yet, he can, he can go

880
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 5: out there. I do have a dog, so you gotta

881
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 5: bring him with me. I guess you drop the dog

882
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 5: off in my place.

883
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 6: It's fine.

884
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 4: Ryan will take time. All right, let's move on to

885
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 4: Sean Ryan.

886
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: If you're not familiar with Sean Ryan, he's considered kind

887
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: of one of the podcast bros. Unfairly he's former special ops.

888
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: But maybe it's not unfair that he's considered one of

889
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: the podcast bros. Because in that group, is.

890
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 7: That a pejorative now?

891
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: I mean, is it like Bernie Bros.

892
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: I think it's it's used pejoratively, but it's also one

893
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: of those things that could be perfectly accurate because he's

894
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: in that group of people like Tim Dillon, Theo Vaughn,

895
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: who Andrew Schultz. Obviously those are all comedians, and Sean

896
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: Ryan is former special ops. But they're like kind of

897
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: maga curious people whose whose content was not super political.

898
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: But when Trump was running again in twenty twenty four,

899
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: they started to become kind of Maggie curious, and he

900
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 3: had Rokanna on the podcast. He actually also had Gavin

901
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: Newsom on his podcast not long ago. He's had Hunter

902
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 3: Biden on recently, where he had a pretty friendly conversation

903
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 3: with Hunter Biden to be perfectly honest, and he went

904
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: off on Trump a couple of times over the Epstein files.

905
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 3: So to the extent, there's a potential magot crack up

906
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 3: in the works. Maybe not your average like Republican voter

907
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: or your average conservative movement type person, but those guys

908
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: who kind of came in and made a difference on

909
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: the margins, like Sean Ryan, I think absolutely you're starting

910
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 3: to see something like that. So let's take a listen

911
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: to a few of these clips and you'll get a

912
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 3: flavor of it.

913
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 9: Be proactively protecting pedophiles.

914
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 13: They are protecting pedophiles at this point.

915
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 9: By redacting the abuser's name by the White House. Listen up, everybody,

916
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 9: the fucking White House is pro protecting pedophiles. You hear

917
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 9: that they're fucking protecting pedophiles. That's what the fuck they're doing.

918
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 4: And now let's listen to another one here.

919
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 9: And voted for this shit. I mean, I fucking voted

920
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 9: for this shit. I voted to get these damn files released.

921
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 9: And it's like a total just happened.

922
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 4: I've voted to get these dam We've got one more.

923
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 9: In a house protecting pedophiles. Why is the White House

924
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 9: protecting pedophiles? I just don't understand it. Bro, I can't

925
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 9: fucking get it through my head. Why we would protect pedophiles?

926
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 6: Why?

927
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: Okay, so let me just say I think what's interesting

928
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: about this is how the Epstein files are not it's

929
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 3: it's nobody's top issue when they go to the polls,

930
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: not even like podcasters. It's not Sean Ryan isn't going

931
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 3: to say it was his top issue when he went

932
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: and voted for Donald Trump. But what it has become,

933
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: and I think this is important. It's not just a

934
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 3: podcaster issue. It's become a litmus test for trust in

935
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: how anti establishment, how drain the swamp you actually are,

936
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: and so to the extent that this genuinely has caused

937
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: political problems, electoral problems for Republicans.

938
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 4: I think that's it. I don't know what you guys think.

939
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's exactly right Epstein for a couple

940
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 7: of years. Now at least a yearyear and a half

941
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 7: at least has become this stand in for how whether

942
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 7: or not you trust a politician like you would listen

943
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 7: to what they said about Epstein and decide from there.

944
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 7: If you're going to listen to anything else they have

945
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 7: to say, doesn't mean you're going to agree with everything

946
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 7: they say after that. But if they give you the

947
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 7: wrong answer on Epstein, you're done with them. I don't

948
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 7: care what you say after that. I don't trust you.

949
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 7: And now it has gotten to the point of we're

950
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 7: beyond asking questions about this.

951
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 6: We want action.

952
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 7: We want these documents released, we want the indictments, in

953
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 7: particular the draft indictments, and we want the depositions.

954
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 6: We want the names.

955
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 7: And if you're not going to give that, then I

956
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 7: don't want to hear anything else you have to say

957
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 7: about tariffs, about deportations, about insurrection, about illegals, like about

958
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 7: how it's the media is unfair to you, about like

959
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 7: grocery prices or whatever.

960
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 6: Don't want to hear it.

961
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 7: Like you're cut off with a huge portion of the

962
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 7: voting public by failing on that basic question of morality

963
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 7: and integrity.

964
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it kind of reminds me of at

965
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 5: least on the left, and I'm sure there's some of

966
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 5: this on the right as well, increasingly right now, but

967
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 5: the APAC question, where it's like, if you can't commit

968
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 5: to not taking a PAC money, let alone corporate money broadly,

969
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 5: you know, how am I supposed to trust that you're

970
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 5: going to actually work for me. You're not going to work,

971
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 5: you know, on behalf of the interests of this foreign

972
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 5: government in their lobby. So I think it's like kind

973
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 5: of similar in that sense, but I mean it's such

974
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 5: a low bar, like what are we talking about here? Like,

975
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess my question for Emily is within

976
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 5: the MAGA coalition, will there ever be a breaking point

977
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 5: in terms of coming to the realization that not only

978
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 5: is Trump engaging in one of the most obvious and

979
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 5: brazen cover ups of in American history with the Epstein files.

980
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 5: I mean we're now what three weeks out in a

981
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 5: row where they've missed the deadline to you know, to

982
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 5: push forward and releasing them. But not only is he

983
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 5: involved in this cover up, but it's very obvious why

984
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 5: he's engaging in this cover up. He has a closer

985
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 5: affiliation with Jeffrey Epstein than basically anybody else on the

986
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 5: planet that you could say, like, when is the connection

987
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 5: point in MAGA, if ever, going to happen where they say, Okay,

988
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 5: not only is he doing the cover up, but like

989
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 5: he's making himself look increasingly guilty as time goes on,

990
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 5: Like now I went from being like, well, you know Trump,

991
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 5: you know he's probably in the Epstein files. They were

992
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 5: best friends for ten years according to Epstein et cetera,

993
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 5: et cetera, but I don't know if he was on

994
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 5: the island or doing things with children or whatever. But

995
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 5: as time goes on, I'm more like, Okay, what actually

996
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 5: is in these files beyond what we already know that

997
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 5: has him going this far to prevent them from being released?

998
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 3: The So I think the kind of hardened MAGA core,

999
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: which I put it like thirty to forty percent of

1000
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: the Republican voters. And this is something people get wrong

1001
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 3: politically about MAGO a lot, is that there's so many

1002
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: Republican voters who tolerate Trump, even going back to twenty sixteen.

1003
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 3: They tolerate Trump because they think he is This is

1004
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 3: a good explanation for Sean Ryan, somebody who voted for him,

1005
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 3: they think he is a change agent, or for some

1006
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: people it's a combination of thinking that he's a disruptor

1007
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 3: slash change agent and better than the alternative. So it

1008
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 3: works for him in these presidential matchups where he's against

1009
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, you know, a month after Biden or two

1010
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: months whatever after Biden gets out of the out of

1011
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: the race, or Hillary Clinton, like some of these perfect foils.

1012
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 3: And so that's how he's been able to get reelected

1013
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 3: is you have those people. That's why these kind of

1014
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 3: people really matter. And for Jade Vance if he wanted

1015
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 3: to run for president, that's why these people really matter.

1016
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: The Sean Ryans and Andrew Schultz and people think Tim

1017
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 3: Dillon people think that's silly.

1018
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 4: It's not.

1019
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 3: It's like average Americans who look at this and say, okay,

1020
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: if you're gonna be if this is a choice between

1021
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: right and left, and I'm looking for someone to disrupt

1022
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 3: the system, and you're from the MAGA, coolish, you're going

1023
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: to disrupt the system. That's how Trump ends up like

1024
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 3: tipping the scales in his favor, getting more votes than

1025
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, more votes than Hillary Clinton because people put

1026
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 3: that kind of trust in him when it's a kind

1027
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 3: of choice A or B lesser to evil, lesser of

1028
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: too evils vote, as people see it. And so nothing

1029
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 3: will I think come between Trump and that ever, that

1030
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: that thirty to forty percent of the Republican elect which

1031
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 3: is you know, types of people that are going to rallies.

1032
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: That's maybe maybe fifteen percent of voters overall, nothing will

1033
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: come between them because part of his appeal they trust

1034
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: him implicitly because he said I know the system, I

1035
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 3: was part of it. So it's not surprising to that

1036
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: group of people that he was part of the system.

1037
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 3: The point is they trust him personally to you know,

1038
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 3: go and take on the system that he was once

1039
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: a part of. It's not a deal breaker to them

1040
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 3: knowing that he was once a part of the system.

1041
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 3: They don't want him to currently be part of the system,

1042
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 3: and they trust that he's not currently part of the system.

1043
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 3: And so I think that's the explanation for that segment

1044
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: of the voting public. But that's where other voters who

1045
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 3: just tolerate Trump and see him as the lesser of

1046
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 3: two evil option for a JD. Vance or Marco Ruby

1047
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 3: or whatever. This legitimately is a problem because it's a

1048
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 3: litmus test issue. It's not anyone's like top voting thing,

1049
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: but it is going to be a part of the

1050
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 3: conversation long into the future. And they sure as how

1051
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 3: the need to have an answer for it, because some

1052
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 3: people just automatically will not trust you if you come

1053
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: to them and you say and you get bullshit right,

1054
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 3: like if it sounds like you're bullshitting.

1055
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 4: That's where Sean Ryan is like, dude, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1056
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 4: and this is not right. This is not what you

1057
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 4: said you were doing. This is not You are not

1058
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 4: a change agent or a disruptor.

1059
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 7: And I think too Max point about starting to question

1060
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 7: Trump's guilt, I think that's related to everyone's understanding of

1061
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 7: his extreme selfishness and narcissism. Nobody, even Trump's best friends,

1062
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 7: don't think Trump is altruistically doing things for other people.

1063
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 7: Trump is in it for Trump. Everybody agreed, Like, nobody

1064
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 7: disagrees with that. So if he's taking on all of

1065
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 7: this political water in order to cover up what's in

1066
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 7: these files, it's very hard to believe that he's doing

1067
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 7: it for somebody else. Maybe all of a sudden he

1068
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 7: has found a a selfless bone in his body and

1069
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 7: he's actually you know, chivalrously protecting somebody else or his

1070
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 7: friends or something. I don't think anybody really believes that though,

1071
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 7: So they're like, okay, all right, all right, guy, what

1072
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 7: on earth is in these documents?

1073
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 4: Right?

1074
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1075
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 5: I mean I see a lot of deflection to like

1076
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 5: from the more hardened Trump supporters bringing up you know,

1077
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 5: Bill Clinton is the most famous example that I see

1078
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 5: all the time, and you know whatever. But to me

1079
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 5: as a leftist, and I think basically the entirety of

1080
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 5: the left agrees on this is it's like, Okay, if

1081
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 5: Bill Clinton is implicated criminally in any way, throw him

1082
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 5: in jail, right, A single one of us would would

1083
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 5: give a shit about that. Right, go ahead do it,

1084
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 5: arrest him, bring charges and everybody else who's implicated in this.

1085
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 5: But like, how has that aspect of it not broken

1086
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 5: through to the point where like this is such it's

1087
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 5: become such a partisan thing within MAGA to say, okay,

1088
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 5: maybe this is still we can try to play it

1089
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 5: off as this is mostly a Democrat thing or a Clinton.

1090
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 4: Thing, or we're a podcast thing.

1091
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: That's you guys have probably heard this right, that this

1092
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 3: is just a luxury issue that podcasters care about. It

1093
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 3: doesn't really matter to regular voters, and I like, that

1094
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 3: is not true. Republican politicians don't think that that's true.

1095
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 3: I remember in the summer, I've mentioned this a couple

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Speaker 3: of times. Before they were heading out for August recess.

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Speaker 3: This was really starting to come to a head because

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Speaker 3: they were trying to get the bill passed, and I

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Speaker 3: was asking them, do you think that this is going

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Speaker 3: to be an issue when you go back to your district.

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Speaker 3: Everyone that I talked to said yes, Like rank and

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Speaker 3: file Republicans were like, yes, this is going to be.

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Speaker 4: What they wanted to talk about was the tax bill.

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Speaker 3: And when I asked them that, they easily could have

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Speaker 3: demurred and said, oh, no, this is I think you're

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Speaker 3: hearing a lot of chatter about this in the media,

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Speaker 3: but my voters send to have kitchen table issues on

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Speaker 3: their mind. No, that is not what they told me.

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Speaker 3: This was like four or five rank of file Republicans.

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Speaker 3: They all said they expected to hear about it in

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Speaker 3: August when they went home.

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Speaker 5: All right, guys, we are happy to be joined now

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Speaker 5: by Donnia Munos, who is a nurse at Mount Sinai

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Speaker 5: Hospital in New York City. They're now entering their fifth

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Speaker 5: day of a massive strike. Around fifteen thousand nurses going

1116
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Speaker 5: out on strike. Thank you so much for joining the

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Speaker 5: show today.

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Speaker 13: Thank you guys for having having me. Good morning.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so if we can just go ahead and start off,

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Speaker 5: if you want to give us like a rough breakdown

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Speaker 5: and intro into why you guys are going out on

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Speaker 5: strike right now? What are the terms of the agreement

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Speaker 5: that are in play right now.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, So, we've been bargaining since October with our employers.

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Speaker 12: Some other tables have been bargaining with them since August.

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Speaker 12: The main things that we're asking for currently our health insurance.

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Speaker 12: They're trying to make extensive cuts to our current health

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Speaker 12: plan and this will effect not just the nurses who

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00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 12: are bargaining this current contract, but also.

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Speaker 13: People who aren't even at the bargaining table.

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Speaker 12: This can effect up to forty four thousand nurses throughout

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Speaker 12: New York State and their family members as well. Other

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Speaker 12: things that we're fighting for currently are workplace safety prevention

1134
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 12: and protections. For example, in my hospital at moutside I May,

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Speaker 12: they basically don't have weapons detections or metal detectors in

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Speaker 12: every entrance.

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Speaker 13: It's only in the ED and I believe in one

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Speaker 13: psych unit.

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Speaker 12: So we want to make sure that anybody who comes

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Speaker 12: into our institutions feel protected, not just the staff, but

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Speaker 12: also the patients. And then other things that we're fighting

1142
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Speaker 12: for our patient safe patient ratios. We currently have the ratios.

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Speaker 12: We last time won a process to be able to

1144
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 12: hold our hospitals accountable for understaffing us, which means causing

1145
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 12: nurses to take more patients than they should. And currently

1146
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 12: the hospitals are trying to take back the language that

1147
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Speaker 12: has allowed us to retain and also hire a thousand

1148
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Speaker 12: plus nurses. Another thing that's very important for us at

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Speaker 12: Mount Signai Main Hospital is respect for the nurses. They

1150
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 12: have terminated nurses. They have basically disciplined nurses for union activity,

1151
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 12: for speaking up and advocating not just for ourselves but

1152
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 12: also for our communities. So these are basically the top

1153
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 12: number the top things that we're fighting for currently in

1154
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 12: our contracts. And this is something that New York Presbyterian

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Speaker 12: Mount Sina was Morningside mean and also mont If you

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Speaker 12: are all fighting for, what is.

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Speaker 6: The safety situation like now?

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Speaker 7: My brother is a nurse and one of the hospitals

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Speaker 7: where he worked at previously had some serious like security

1160
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Speaker 7: issues for the nurses, And are they fighting you on this?

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Speaker 6: Like is it? I guess what?

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Speaker 7: Are they saying that metal detectors then require staff at

1163
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Speaker 7: each one and so this is like incredibly expensive.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I was gonna ask that too, because it

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Speaker 3: sounds like obviously what you're asking for is rooted in experience,

1166
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Speaker 3: that something led to you asking for this, So if

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Speaker 3: you could tell us more about that, I think.

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Speaker 13: That'll be really of course. I mean, there's so many

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Speaker 13: things that have happened.

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Speaker 12: One of the most one of the most recent things

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Speaker 12: will happen in November where we had a person come

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Speaker 12: into the ED and say that they were and to

1173
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 12: shoot up the ED and basically that person had a gun,

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Speaker 12: they had left the gun outside, tried to come into

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Speaker 12: the building and NYPD chased the person down like Madison

1176
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Speaker 12: Avenue and unfortunately killed the person. From the people who

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Speaker 12: were in the emergency department, they said that the person

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Speaker 12: looked like they were in some sort of mental distress.

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Speaker 12: So you know, there was no mass notification system that

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Speaker 12: went out to notify the nurses about the incident.

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Speaker 13: Like even afterwards.

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Speaker 12: Also, the ED is the only place that has weapons

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Speaker 12: detection systems in place, so that's like one of the

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Speaker 12: most recent instances. Another other things that happened at the

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Speaker 12: bedside is nurses are getting punched and giged fit in.

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Speaker 12: A lot of the patients we take care of have

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01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 12: have started to show a lot of aggression and violence.

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Speaker 12: We've had nurses being stopped from yeah where they've told

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Speaker 12: basically the security and the hospital that Hey, I have

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Speaker 12: a stalker, don't let this person in.

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Speaker 13: They've let them in the hospital.

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Speaker 12: We've had nurses that have been sexually assaulted in some

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Speaker 12: of our bathrooms.

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Speaker 13: It's terrible.

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Speaker 12: We need behavioral health crisis teams and people that are

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Speaker 12: trained in de escalation for those who come into our

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Speaker 12: hospitals and our mental distress and want to harm us.

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Speaker 12: But we also need better screening mechanisms so that we

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Speaker 12: know who's coming in our buildings are they actually patient

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Speaker 12: family members, because some of the people that have come

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01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 12: into our buildings aren't even there to see patients.

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Speaker 13: So this is just like a few of the things that.

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01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 12: Have occurred that have basically caused us to advocate and

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01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 12: make sure that there are better safety mechanisms in place. Again,

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01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 12: not just for the nurses, but also for anyone who

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01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 12: comes into the hospital. It's ludicrous that we don't know

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Speaker 12: the people coming in, we're not screening them properly. And

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Speaker 12: living in New York City, people go to stadium, they

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01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 12: go to Broadway shows. There's ways to have these systems

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Speaker 12: in place, things that they put up daily and take

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Speaker 12: down in a lot of other places. To me, it's

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Speaker 12: crazy that a big institution like Mount sign I has

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01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 12: not been able to figure out how to implement a

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Speaker 12: lot of these safety mechanisms.

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Speaker 7: Is this something that the city can help the hospital

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Speaker 7: out with? So I have a couple of of a

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Speaker 7: couple of different minds on this because on the one hand,

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Speaker 7: I can see the hospital and be like, Okay, you're

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Speaker 7: nervous about your security, Fine, we'll invest more money in

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Speaker 7: your security. But that's coming out of your healthcare, that's

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01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 7: coming out of your overtime and wages. If the city

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Speaker 7: came in and offered security services, which you could argue

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Speaker 7: they ought to, because the hospital is being asked to

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Speaker 7: treat lots of people for free. So if they're doing

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Speaker 7: if they're doing something for free, then the city you know,

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 7: could kick in, you know, send some officers. On the

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Speaker 7: other hand, if somebody has a war out and needs

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Speaker 7: to go to the hospital, you don't want them to

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Speaker 7: not go to the hospital because they have a warrant

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Speaker 7: and are worried that at the metal detector they're going

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Speaker 7: to get actually then arrested, and instead of getting treatment,

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Speaker 7: they're going to go to rikers.

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Speaker 6: Is this you know?

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Speaker 7: So how are you how are you guys navigating this

1235
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Speaker 7: question of resources dedicated towards security versus trying to make

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Speaker 7: your health insurance affordable.

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Speaker 13: I mean, I think it's two separate issues.

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Speaker 12: I mean, if if it's funded by the government, then

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Speaker 12: that's great, but we need to make sure that we're

1240
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 12: allocating our funds equally to the things that matter. Like, yes,

1241
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 12: safety is important, healthcare is also important. So what I

1242
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 12: would say is that even if they were to give

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Speaker 12: us money and allocate it towards security, excuse me, We're

1244
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Speaker 12: not asking for it to.

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Speaker 13: Be NYPD at the doorstep.

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Speaker 12: We're asking it for for it to be people who

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Speaker 12: are trained in destating these like mental health, crisisy or

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Speaker 12: even aggression. Sometimes all you need is someone who knows

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Speaker 12: how to speak to you and bring you from one

1250
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Speaker 12: hundred to five percent.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 12: The reality is that these people who come into our institutions,

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Speaker 12: and whether they're patients or family members, they're going through

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Speaker 12: the worst moments of their lives.

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Speaker 13: Right they're here, they're sick, they want care.

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Speaker 12: And you know, in regards to the comment about people

1257
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Speaker 12: from Rikers, we get inmates all of the time that

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Speaker 12: come and get care.

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Speaker 13: In New York City. We don't turn away people.

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Speaker 12: We want people to come and get care in whether

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01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 12: it's immigrants, whether it's our trends or LGBT communities, anyone

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01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 12: is welcome to get care, and honestly, in our contracts,

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Speaker 12: we're currently fighting to make sure that those people are

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01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 12: also protected. You shouldn't have to wonder am I going

1265
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Speaker 12: to be deported? Is ice going to come into these institutions?

1266
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 12: Will I be arrested? What Am I going to be

1267
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 12: judged for walking in and loving someone else, or loving

1268
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 12: someone house, or you know, or looking a different way.

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Speaker 12: Everybody deserves care. I believe it's one of those things

1270
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 12: that it doesn't matter who you are, you definitely deserve

1271
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 12: to get health care. The thing is in our country

1272
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Speaker 12: currently people are thinking do I pay my rent? Or

1273
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 12: do I go to the doctor, do I put food

1274
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Speaker 12: on the table, or do I go get a health

1275
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Speaker 12: check up? And those are questions that we should not

1276
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Speaker 12: be asking ourselves. If anything, the government should be investing

1277
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Speaker 12: more in healthcare, honestly.

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Speaker 5: Can you tell us a little bit more about the

1279
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Speaker 5: crackdown from the hospital in terms of going after union

1280
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Speaker 5: organizers as well as I saw I mean, I'm reading

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Speaker 5: here from the New York Times, they've spent upwards collectively

1282
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Speaker 5: one hundred million dollars to hire temporary nurses.

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Speaker 6: To come in and to rent hotels for them, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: Can you tell us a little bit about this effort

1285
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Speaker 5: to sort of break the strike or you know, bring

1286
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,479
Speaker 5: it to its knees over time.

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Speaker 6: What sort of is the strategy?

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Speaker 12: I mean, it's interesting that you say that. For me,

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Speaker 12: it seems like it's more than just about the strike.

1290
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 12: It's also in general about breaking unions. The reality is

1291
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 12: that they started to hire a lot of these travel

1292
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 12: nurses even before we dropped our ten day strike notice,

1293
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,479
Speaker 12: which is are legally protected right. We have ten days

1294
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 12: to notify the employer so that they can get ready

1295
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 12: and hire whomever they need. A lot of these nurses

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Speaker 12: were being hired in early December, even in late November

1297
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Speaker 12: before we went on strike. And you're saying, you know,

1298
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Speaker 12: you have the numbers one hundred million dollars that they've

1299
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Speaker 12: held onto and they basically have used to hire these nurses.

1300
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Speaker 12: That's one hundred million dollars. They could have invested it

1301
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 12: in us. They're saying our healthcare is too expensive. They're

1302
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 12: saying they need to make cuts, and instead of investing

1303
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 12: in the nurses that show up every day, nurses who

1304
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 12: have been there for many years. One of my colleagues

1305
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 12: have been there, has been there for thirty eight years.

1306
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Speaker 12: Like we're talking about people who also have just started

1307
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 12: their careers. They're investing in staying in New York City,

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Speaker 12: in staying at these institutions.

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Speaker 13: And it's horrific that Mount Sinai and.

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Speaker 12: Said, and a lot of these other institutions are choosing

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Speaker 12: to put one hundred million dollars into the transportation the

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Speaker 12: safety of these nurses who are not the ones who

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Speaker 12: are dedicated to taking care of these communities.

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Speaker 13: Like they're busting them in. They're giving them hotel rooms.

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Speaker 12: There's NYPD and there's more security than I've ever seen

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01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 12: to make sure that these nurses that again are coming

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01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 12: here and are not the ones who are used to

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01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 12: taking care of New Yorkers. It's a slap in the

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01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 12: face to what they could actually be investing towards, which

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Speaker 12: is us, the people that care every single day, and

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01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 12: not just during a strike. Right, Like we have been

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01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 12: asking them to hire nurses since before the strike.

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Speaker 13: We've been telling them for years.

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Speaker 12: And like I said before, the language that we won

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01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 12: in our last contract has allowed us to retain a

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01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 12: lot of nurses and hire a lot of nurses. One

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01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 12: hundred million dollars is money that they can invest in

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01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 12: in making sure that these nurses were hired, not just

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01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 12: because of a strike, but also throughout the past three

1330
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 12: years when we've been advocating that we could.

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Speaker 13: We still need more nurses at the bedside.

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Speaker 4: And Matt, can you pull this clip of Mayor Mom

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01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 4: Donnie up, because I want to ask Donya a bit

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01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 4: about the significance of Mayor Mom Donnie coming to the

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01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 4: picket line and standing with you all the extent to

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01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 4: which that's added momentum to the cause. We'll first watch

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01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 4: it and then turn it over to you. Donia.

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Speaker 13: Good, Thank you, plus.

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Speaker 4: Return immediately to the negotiating table and not leave.

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Speaker 14: They must bargain in good faith, that's right, and they

1341
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 14: must arrive at a deal that is satisfactory to all

1342
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 14: that allows the nurses who work in this city to

1343
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 14: live in this city.

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01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 4: So you involved in this fight, obviously, that's what we've

1345
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 4: been talking about. What from your perspective did this do

1346
01:08:58,720 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 4: to help?

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01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 12: I mean, the mayor definitely has been on our side

1348
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 12: for some time, even before he was elected. He came

1349
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 12: to our initial launch and I believe it was August

1350
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 12: and said he supported the cause.

1351
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:14,919
Speaker 13: So I wasn't surprised.

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01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 12: I was very excited to see him visit New York

1353
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 12: Presbyterian Hospital, and I'm glad that he is still sticking

1354
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 12: to what his platform stood on, which is, you know,

1355
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 12: being there for the working people and making sure that

1356
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 12: he can make a difference when it comes to us

1357
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 12: and not these corporate, greedy CEOs. What we would like

1358
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 12: to see, honestly, is the governor come down and support us.

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01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 12: She put out an executive order that basically has allowed

1360
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 12: these institutions to think that we're in a state of

1361
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 12: emergency and hire not just nurses, but healthcare professionals and

1362
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 12: allow them to come into our hospitals.

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01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 13: The real state of emergency is that.

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01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 12: These CEOs are so greedy that they don't want to

1365
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 12: give us our health care, that they don't want to

1366
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 12: staff appropriately, that they want to make sure that we

1367
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 12: don't have safety atganisms in our hospitals. So for Governor Hochel,

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01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 12: she should be ashamed of what she put out. She

1369
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 12: should be siding with the nurses, honestly, and she should

1370
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 12: be telling these hospital executives, hey, give these nurses their

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01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 12: health insurance, make sure we have enough nurses for the

1372
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 12: amount of patients, make sure we have these safety mechanisms.

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01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 12: So I'm honored, I'm proud that the mayor was able

1374
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 12: to do that, But we need to hire ups in

1375
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 12: hire government officials to be responsible and know the things

1376
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 12: that they're putting out and know who they're siding with.

1377
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 12: Because she was definitely not citing with the nurses when

1378
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 12: she put that out.

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01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, come on, governor, what are you doing?

1380
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 4: I mean? Yeah?

1381
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:38,799
Speaker 13: Seriously?

1382
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 7: All right, Well, Donia, thank you so much for joining us,

1383
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 7: and good luck as you continue these negotiations.

1384
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 13: Yes, thank you so much.

1385
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 12: Everyone, have a wonderful day, and thank you for giving

1386
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 12: me this platform to speak about the issues that are

1387
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 12: so important to us.

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01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 13: I will definitely affect our New Yorkers. Take care of you, of.

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01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 6: Course, absolutely.

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01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 7: If the executives are watching, you're welcome to come on

1391
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 7: and try to defend your position.

1392
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 3: To hear from people, I'd say people don't realize the

1393
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 3: especially people who aren't in cities, don't realize how like

1394
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 3: the security risks that nurses confront often.

1395
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, it's no joke. She said it well that

1396
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 7: like nobody wants to be at the hospital. You're either

1397
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 7: visiting someone who's at the very low point in their life,

1398
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 7: where you yourself are at a very low point. And

1399
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 7: also and often police take people who are having mental

1400
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 7: health crises and just kind of dump them at some

1401
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 7: of these eds.

1402
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 6: So, yes, they are.

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 7: They're put in extremely difficult situations with not enough protection

1404
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 7: and you know, far less compensation.

1405
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 6: Than they deserve.

1406
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 4: No, you're gonna have your brother on Sunday.

1407
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, that would be fun. We have the exact same voice.

1408
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 7: We could if we did a podcast, you wouldn't be

1409
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 7: able to tell who was who.

1410
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 6: That's amazing. We can fool my, that's real. It's good.

1411
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 4: Oh, that's dangerous. Comparent trap situation on a phone

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Speaker 3: Hmm