1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 3 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. It is twenty twenty six. We're 4 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: back in our very studios, back from some travels, and 5 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: that's our super producer mister Max Williams with a lackluster 6 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: whoo whoo. Twenty six Baby, New Year, New you question, 7 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: is it a leaper Come on? Man told you that? No? 8 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: Is it a I do know I I have nothing 9 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: to say or weigh in, no pun intended for today's 10 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: topic about leap year. 11 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: It is out of my per view entirely. All right, 12 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: is it? No? It's not a leap year? Okay? Cool? Good? 13 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: Thank god. I mean, if we're guessing we have a 14 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: pretty good chance of going with not a leap yer, fitty. 15 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: Shot, I should bet on polymarket on whether or not 16 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: it is a leap here is there is there a 17 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: market for that? 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: I am Ben Bolden. That's mister Noel Brown. Hello, you 19 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: know no, there feels some like there's something appropriate for 20 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: opening twenty twenty six with fad diets because this is 21 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: the time of year when a lot of people, for 22 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: better worse, say they're going to make some big life changes, 23 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: some resolutions, maybe eat a little better, maybe go to 24 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: the gym more often, et cetera, et cetera, or at 25 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: least drink more water. That's an easy one. That's a 26 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: big one. Man. 27 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: I successfully implemented that little health tweak about midway through 28 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and boy o boy, if you're looking 29 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: to lose weight, I was told that being heavily hydrated 30 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: is a big factor in that, and it didn't really 31 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: make sense or read for me, But it turns out 32 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: it really is true. Just having that water bottle and 33 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: drinking it instead of like soda or even like soda, water, 34 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 2: which I was a huge fan of, has really made 35 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: a huge difference in the way I feel. 36 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: As soon as they'll start talking about water, both Ben 37 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 3: and I started drinking water. 38 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: It's huge to drink water. One pro tip, folks, Often 39 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: if you're struggling with feeling like you're overeating over indulging 40 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: in the culinary arts, remember that often when you feel hungry, 41 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: it's your body just telling you you're dehydrated. 42 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 2: Because there's water in food, and if you take care 43 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 2: of that aspect of it with actual water, then you 44 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 2: might feel a little less peckish. 45 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: We know for a fact that we owe for a 46 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: fact that, yes, technically there is a threshold where a 47 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: person can drink too much water, but it's pretty hard 48 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: to get there to achieve. Yeah, yeah, you can't really 49 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: do it by accident. Let's just put it right. You 50 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: really have to go for it. Also, you cannot live 51 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: on water alone, at least not for a long time. 52 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: What about vitamin water? Nope? Also not. Don't believe fifty 53 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: he's just trying to make a buck. Don't believe that 54 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: the fifties drop. 55 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: That guy's having a bit of a moment, isn't he 56 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely Yeah? 57 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: Have you seen that diddy doc? Yes, And he is 58 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: just a non parallel hater for better or worse, and 59 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: he's good at it. He doesn't affect his craft. You 60 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: could save fifties a fad, right, or fifties hating is 61 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: a fad. 62 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: He certainly hasn't had a hit in a hot minute. 63 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: But he's been famous for other things, right, very much. 64 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: So, And one being vitamin water, the other one being 65 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: hilariously spiteful and petty, like buy all the tickets for 66 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: your concert so no one goes was that job rule. 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: I think that was job rule. Where was jaw rule 68 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: in all of this is what we are asking. But 69 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: that is such a what a good troll, and he 70 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: apparently got a real good deal on him. He said 71 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: they were on a groupon, which is already just him 72 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: putting that out there is the jarals dikets. They're like 73 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: discount ben diketts, and he just bought up a lot 74 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: of them. 75 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: That's just the twist of the knife. On to our episode. 76 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: We know since humans began human ing that people were 77 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: trying to figure out the science of food, what kind 78 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: of regimen of nutrition is going to be best for 79 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 1: your health, best for your longevity, et cetera. And this 80 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: leads us to our continuing exploration of fad diets. So 81 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: do check out the first one and be aware this 82 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: is round two because there are just so many fad 83 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: diets for sure. 84 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 2: From our dear friend and research associate Wren. And you know, 85 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: since you mentioned human ing, it's one of those things 86 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: where like you get past the point of just pure 87 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: survival and sustenance and just trying to live, then you 88 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: start really drilling down into the minutia of like things, 89 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: whether it be delicious flavors or specific regimens that lead 90 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: to certain results, and with that pursuit you get some quackery. 91 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely. You know, first, let's define a fad diet. A 92 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: fad diet, according to Frontiers and Nutrition, is a popular 93 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: dietary pattern that's often sold as a quick fix for obesity. 94 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: This is where you see a lot of the quackery 95 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: we're mentioning, because these diets get marketed with very specific 96 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: claims that often don't really measure up scientifically, like the 97 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: facts are not there to support this with reality. 98 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, and no one putting forth any of these diets 99 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: would qualify or classify them as fad because if that 100 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: inherently is something that is a flash in the pan 101 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: that has a moment and then disappears, that is the 102 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: very nature of a fad. So it's almost like no 103 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: one would call their religion a cult necessarily. 104 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: It's a designation of let's just say less than quality. Yeah, Yeah, 105 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: it's a The term fad diet is a pejorative and 106 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: it's often applied in retrospect. In our Yeah, in our 107 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: first episode we talked about stuff like tapeworm supplements, rubber underwear, 108 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: and then you know, methamphetamine, which used to have a lot, 109 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: a lot less of a bad reputation when it first 110 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: hit the scene, oh one hundred percent. 111 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: As you mentioned that quote from Frontier's nutrition, they specifically 112 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: refer to things that defy the basic principles of biochemistry 113 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: and nutritional adequacy. 114 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: I just like the way they put that there. 115 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: So the collective knowledge that we as a species have 116 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: of nutritional science has of course grown, and we are 117 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: talking about a lot of stuff from yesteryear where the 118 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: science says, of course, outpaced many of these potentially effective 119 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: regimes you know, of nutrition. So let's just throw that 120 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 2: out there right now. We're not trying to poop on 121 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: history too much. 122 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: And this is also not to be taken as medical advice. People. 123 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: Please check with a doctor, check with the nutritionist, go 124 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: check with a podcaster your health. It barely wants you 125 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: to take any of us as historical advice, right. Yeah. 126 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: So now we see that as society learns more about 127 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: the human body and more about nutrition, a lot of 128 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: what we still call fad diets are evolving in step 129 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: with that. Stuff like keto, paleo, whole thirty and so on. 130 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: They're less extreme than you know, poisoning yourself with tapeworms. 131 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: But but the night Right and seventy No. 132 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: You swallow it. You swallow the tapeworm and then it 133 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: comes out of your body. 134 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: It's still poisoning. 135 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: It's not good introducing a parasite into your digestive tract. 136 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: And you know, Ren points out that a lot of 137 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: these things run in cycles, and interestingly enough, you mentioned 138 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: a body positivity earlier. We are kind of in another 139 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: sort of skinny chic cycle right now, and largely that 140 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: has been pushed forth by the availability of a lot 141 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: of these drugs that are being used for weight loss. 142 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: And I have used these and had some great results personally, 143 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: paired with diet and exercise. I think they can be 144 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: a great tool. But it does seem like it's sort 145 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: of replaced a lot of like public figures who have 146 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: now lost a ton of weight. It seems like body 147 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: positivity has kind of gone out the window now in 148 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: a way because of that stuff, because of the golp ones. 149 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: And again no ding have used them myself. 150 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: I just think culturally we're starting to see a swing 151 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: back to the nineties heroin chic kind of silhouettes, and 152 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: maybe some of that sort of fad diet era. 153 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: Stuff, and the cycle will inevitably swing back again. One 154 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: thing that I'm a huge fan of, and again this 155 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: is not medical advice, is something called intermittent fasting. It's 156 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: not just what you eat, but it's when you eat 157 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: that matters. And I did not know until we're diving 158 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: into the research of this, so that back in the 159 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies there was an extreme version of this, or 160 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: a related version of this, the Scarsdale diet, starving on purpose. 161 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: Not to be confused with the scars Guard diet, which 162 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: is being devilishly attractive from a dynasty of excellent actors. 163 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: And also not to be confused with the Christian Bale 164 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: Machinist diet, which everyone should ever try. I know. 165 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: There was another crazy one, Ryan Gosling. Apparently this is 166 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: so funny, And then we'll get right back on track. 167 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: He got a role in that movie The Lovely Bones, 168 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: and then just unilaterally, without asking anybody involved in the production, 169 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: decide that his character was supposed to be pudgy. So 170 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: before he even showed up the set, he just binged 171 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: on like melted bra ice cream and gained a bunch 172 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: of weight, and then turned up to set and. 173 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: The director was like, what the hell this is? You're 174 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: out of here, and he got fired. I just gotta 175 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: jump in here. 176 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: In the Fat Mac season of Always Sonny as well, 177 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: Yes I'm. 178 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: Gonna be fat, we shall get fat. No we're not 179 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: doing that. All right, Well I'm getting fat. 180 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: And I gotta say when I was heavier on the 181 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: heavier side, I thought that made me feel kind of good. 182 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: You know. 183 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: It was like, Okay, this is Max showing a little 184 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: body positivity. 185 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: And then of course he gets crazy ripped later in 186 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: the series as well. And this brings us back to 187 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: the Scarsdale diet. So what's created by a cardiologist named 188 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: Herman Tarnower in nineteen seventy eight, not Herman Scarsdale. Interesting, 189 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: go on, and here's the pitch. If you follow the 190 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: Scarsdale Diet, says Herman, you can lose twenty pounds in 191 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: two weeks as long as you adhere strictly to the 192 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: plan from his book, The Complete Scarrsdale Medical Diet. Originally 193 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: Scarsdale bit coming from let's see, originally he is a 194 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: lake we said, he's a cardiologist. So he's aiming to 195 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: help people who have cardiovascular issues, and it's really it's 196 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: all about caloric restriction. 197 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: It does turn out by them. Sorry, I just had 198 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: to throw this out because it was making me crazy. 199 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: It's named after Scarsdale, New York, which was a wealthy 200 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: suburb of New York where doctor Herman Tarnauer found his practice. 201 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: And the idea then is that we're attaching this diet 202 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: to celebrity, right to success. It's aspirational. But going back 203 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: to the caloric restriction thing, his pitch is this eat 204 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: one thousand calories or less per day and avoid the 205 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: following butter, pasta, beans, lentils, potatoes, sugar, salad, dressing, and alcohol. 206 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: Well and contained in a lot of these fad diets 207 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,599 Speaker 2: are little nuggets of truth, little nuggets of things that 208 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: we could all probably think about, like limiting cars, et cetera, 209 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: being a little more conscious about consuming alcohol, for example, 210 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: maybe not consuming quite as much oily or fatty foods. 211 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: But then we also hear opposite perspectives often that there's 212 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: the good fat and all of that, which makes all 213 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 2: lot of this stuff really tough to suss out, the 214 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: the you know, the truth of But the red flag 215 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: here for me, Ben, I think for you too, is 216 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 2: that one thousand calories a day. I mean, we know 217 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: that two thousand calories a day is what's recommended. This 218 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: seems like quite a restriction and not very sustainable. 219 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: This is a tough one. I was also surprised to 220 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: see beans on the list. Beans they're the magical fruit. 221 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: It's it's so weird, all right. If you look at 222 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: the way he schedules this out, then you'll see that 223 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: there are no breakfasts, there are no snacks, there are 224 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: no desserts. We have an example from a typical Thursday 225 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: on the Scarsdale Diet. 226 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: We've got some two egg breakfasts any style, any style. 227 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: This is lunch. 228 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: Hey, oh that's lunch. Okay, well I'm gonna call it 229 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: breakfast because the eggs for lunch. That's crazy talk, Isn't 230 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: it funny? 231 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: Though? 232 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: How we associate certain foods with breakfasts and like it's 233 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: this weird mental block. Eating breakfast for lunch is so bizarre. 234 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: But in other countries, yeah, it doesn't apply in other countries. 235 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: No fun fact, fu is a breakfast food in Vietnam. 236 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: And it makes a lot of sense. 237 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: And I will absolutely make a breakfast ramen sometimes or 238 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 2: like something like a noodlely, you know, ramen with an 239 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: egg on top. How do you like your eggs? By 240 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: the way, Ben poached, poached is what I was gonna say. 241 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: It's clearly the best way, texture wise, great combo. So 242 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 2: for lunch on a Thursday, you're gonna have two eggs 243 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: any style, but we're gonna say poached, but no fat 244 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: used in the cooking. 245 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: Hmm, how are you gonna do that? I guess a 246 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: little bit of oil, and isn't oil. 247 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: Fatty though oil is very fatty. Now you're gonna end 248 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 3: up with about an entire egg stuck. 249 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: To the pan, a real gnarly egg. And this was 250 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: before the days of hexclad. You know, we got low 251 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: fat cottage cheese, which is alone's always you could poach 252 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: an egg without fat, of course you could, but this 253 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: says any style, so clearly poached would be the preferred method. 254 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: You do poach an egg without fat, that's would be 255 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: the way to do it. You kind of boil it 256 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: and you got to get the swirl going and then 257 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 2: scoop it out so you don't break it. 258 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: It's a little tough to get right. 259 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 2: Low fat cottage cheese, really, I grew something about cottage 260 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 2: es just gives me the willies. 261 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: Zucchini or string bean or sliced or stewed tomatoes. One 262 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: slice of protein bread. Okay, let's hold on, let's please 263 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: do Yeah? Is that like neutral loaf what we're talking here? 264 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: That stuck out to me when I saw protein bread? Essentially, 265 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: it's just it's just enriched bread. It has higher amounts 266 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: of protein, usually from like Pea protein Pea or Way 267 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: proteinage Way. 268 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: And then if you wish, you can have yourself a 269 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: little coffee or tea, but no. 270 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: Milk in it. No milk eley, no no good. Moving 271 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: on to dinner, you want to give us our dinner 272 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: options for the evening. So you've been a good kid, 273 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: you have not had any you skip to breakfast. It's 274 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: time to ball out with a Scarsdale dinner. You can roast, 275 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: broil or barbecue chicken all you want, and you have 276 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: to get rid of the best part, the skin invisible 277 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: fat before you eat it. You can have all the spinach, 278 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: green peppers, and string beans you want, even though you 279 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: ate string beans for lunch earlier. You can finish off 280 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: with some coffee or some tea. 281 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: You know you know again this veggie. These veggie options 282 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: make a lot of sense. You can eat your body 283 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: weight in spinach and veggies and be in a good place. 284 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: So in nineteen eighty Tarnhauer was sadly shot. That was 285 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: a twist by his girlfriend, Jean Harris, who was the 286 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: headmistress of an illustrious girls school. They met later in 287 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: life as forty somethings, well actually fifty something for tarnaw 288 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: Er forty three for Harris. They never married, but they 289 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: lived together for quite some time, and after fourteen years 290 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: of that hour he was a bad boy and he 291 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: went for a younger woman, a nurse who was working 292 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: in his office. 293 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: The whatever the self own here is pretty stunning. I 294 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: also want to go back and note that not only 295 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: can you eat your body weight in spinach, but you 296 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: can buy your body weight in spinach and it cooks 297 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: down to about a cup cooks. Don I just had 298 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: away more than you think. Yeah, you always need more 299 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: than you think. And our guy got into much more 300 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: trouble than he thought with his philandering. His partner, Gene Harris, 301 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: found the other woman's curlers and nightgown in their home. 302 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: Just not good opsite sloppy, no, sir. So this. 303 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: Caused Sure to fly into a raid, it would seem, 304 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 2: and she shot him, and it made the news, made headlines, 305 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: this trial that she was put on. There was support 306 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 2: for her from the feminist community, citing a history of 307 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 2: emotional abuse and pointing to this outlandish act as her 308 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: being pushed beyond the limits that a woman could be pushed. 309 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: Right, And then you had the other side, where people 310 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: were saying from the matmosphere, yeah, was this innocent man, 311 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: not really, because he was philandering, but he should not 312 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: have been murdered for it. Either way, it's so right. 313 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: Wherever people found themselves on the spectrum, they were still 314 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: captivated by Harris. Because she was an affluent professional, She 315 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: was polished with pearls, she was from a high socioeconomic standing, 316 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: and she didn't fit the usual stereotypes of a crazy, 317 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: violent woman who was scorn. People were more and more 318 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: interested in her. Ultimately, she does get convicted of second 319 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: degree murder. She only serves twelve years in prison. You know, 320 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: keep in mind they have been together for fourteen years. 321 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: She's older. He was killed, Yeah, he was fatally shot. Yes, Yes, 322 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it was a murder. Trial. 323 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 2: And weirdly enough, if you can imagine, this was kind 324 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 2: of great publicity for the Scarsdale Diet. I guess any 325 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: publicity is good publicity, as they say, yeah. 326 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: And this leads to this leads to another controversy right now, 327 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: the Scarsdale Medical Diet, the book itself is no longer 328 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: in print because despite various differences in findings in philosophy, 329 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: experts now agree it is dangerous for adults, most of 330 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: them to consume under twelve hundred calories per day. And 331 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: it's also incredibly difficult to action stick to that meal 332 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: regimen for any long amount of time. Correct. 333 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's possible to find these, 334 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 2: but I would be curious to check them out. This 335 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: whole scandal of the shooting in this you know, torrid 336 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 2: affair was made into two count them made for TV movies. 337 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: Maybe while you pull these up, you can switch out 338 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: your usual popcorn snack for the next diet on our 339 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: menu today, eggs and Wine diet. 340 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: Boy And as our wonderful researcher REND headlined this section, 341 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: the flirty and the farty the eggs and Wine Diet, 342 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 2: It's exactly what it sounds like. Ben for three days. 343 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: Dieters were meant to consume only eggs and wine. Not 344 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: clear whether it's red or white. Imagine it's red because 345 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: it's always, you know, being discussed as something that's like 346 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 2: good for your health and your heart. For both breakfast 347 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: and lunch, and for dinner they could have a nice 348 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: five ounce steak with wine pour it on top, you know. 349 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're basically drinking at minimum a bottle of 350 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: wine a day. I didn't diet breakfast wine. This makes me. 351 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: This reminds me of one of my favorite My favorite 352 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: jokes about our fair city of Metropolis are excellent public 353 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: radio service. For a long time, there was a show 354 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: called two Cups and Two Cups had just this amazing 355 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: local celebrity and journalist Lewis Reixes, And I always wondered, 356 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: is it two cups of coffee? What if it was 357 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 1: like two cups of wine? And Dad explains why she 358 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: was so chill in the morning. 359 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 2: She was very chill. She retired recently. Yes, this is 360 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: an absolute legend. She even did some remember when she 361 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: did those adult swim bumpers back in the day. Yeah, 362 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 2: absolute legend. 363 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: I remember, I remember when Lewis Reix's for a little 364 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: while years back. She did the traffic and it was 365 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: just so strange to hear her described car accident. 366 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: She had a very has a very distinct voice. I 367 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: believe due to some sort of respiratory condition. 368 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: She has a tough time kind of catching her breath, 369 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: but it leads to this excellent, relaxing cadence in the 370 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: way she speaks. Asmr all day big Lois Reis's fans 371 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: and there were people who were big fans of the 372 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: eggs wine diet. The idea rusher wine moms. Yeah. The 373 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: idea was apparently that the regular diet by itself was boring. 374 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: Just eat eggs and then you get a little steak 375 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, So the alcohol makes 376 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: the menu more palatable. I don't know about that. That 377 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: seems a little little like a slippery slope. 378 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: I do love an egg and they are excellent sources 379 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: of protein, and I've been trying to consume more eggs lately, 380 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 2: but I couldn't live on egg It didn't, however, promise 381 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: major weight loss, only about five. 382 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: Pounds but in three days. So this was super attractive 383 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: for folks who were looking to shed a little bit 384 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 1: of weight before say a wedding or a holiday or 385 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: like a beach getaway or something like that. The diet 386 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: was originally debuted in nineteen sixty two in the best 387 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: selling book Sex and the Single Girl, The Unmarried Woman's 388 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: Guide to Men, which offered dating advice, advice on things 389 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: like sexual friendships, affairs, work, life balance, money stuff, you know, style, eating, 390 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: and of course drinking. Yeah, this is very much the 391 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: kind of thing you would read in later magazines like 392 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: Cosmo or Vogue. In fact, got this got another cyclical 393 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: splurge of popularity fifteen years after its first publication because 394 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: it's re published in the Vogue Body and Beauty Book 395 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy seven. And the idea is, whatever your age, 396 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: you can stay cute and petite and sexually attractive as 397 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: red ads, even if you're drunk off your ass by 398 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: eleven am and your fart smell of sulfur. Gotta love it. 399 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: Moving on to the eighties, seems like a lot. 400 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: There was a trend of a lot of these diets 401 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 2: being named after the locations in which were found, things 402 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: like the South Beach Diet, the Scarsdale Diet, of course, 403 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: and the Beverly Hills Diet, which we've done episodes in 404 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: the past about the magic pineapple, how it was a 405 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: status symbol. You had to rent a pineapple, or you 406 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: could rent a pineapple, and it was emblazoned and all 407 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: kinds of metal work and things as a sign of opulence. 408 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: So it makes sense that this was a feature of 409 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: the Beverly Hills Diet, of the Beverly Hills being a 410 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: place known for its opulence. 411 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: This was first published in nineteen eighty one by Judy Masel. Yeah. Absolutely, 412 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: Unlike our pal her Masl didn't have a background in 413 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: medicine or nutrition. She did have a lot of moxy though, 414 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: and her lack of professional qualifications would not stop her 415 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: from creating what La Times calls a theory about food 416 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: enzymes and the digestive system that she formulated into a 417 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: complicated weight reducing plan. She did this because a small, 418 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: still voice inside her told her to leave the freeway 419 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: and buy cashews in nineteen seventy four. 420 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 2: Okay, it's a very specific internal voice. I don't know 421 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 2: how did this relate to her ultimate dreams of movie stardom? 422 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, she I think, like so many other people in 423 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: the area, she was trying to get trying to become famous, 424 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: trying to work in entertainment and Hollywood, and like a 425 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: lot of people, unfortunately, she struggled with her own body 426 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: image throughout her life. At the age of nine, she 427 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: went to her first appointment with what was called a 428 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: diet doctor, and she said her struggle to in her mind, 429 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: her struggle to maintain or control her weight, was the 430 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: reason for her failure to really break through as an actor. 431 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: And that's just a terrible way to feel about yourself. 432 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, no acting or no acting, it's not a good 433 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: way to feel. And as we know and discussed in 434 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: the last Fad Diets episode, a lot of these quote 435 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: unquote diet doctors of the time, pretty sure, well into 436 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: the nineties, may even still be somewhere around. 437 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: We're just giving people amphetamines. Oh one hundred percent. Yeah, 438 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: And luckily Masl's plan is a little bit less heavy 439 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: on amphetamines. But she is really good at marketing. Again, 440 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: these diets are aspirational. I want to do what the 441 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: stars are doing. What are the successful people eating? How 442 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: can I look like one of them? So her diet 443 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: plan gets really successful because it gets celebrity supporters Linda 444 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: Gray from the soap opera Dallas. The first Lady of 445 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: California at the time, Maria Shriver Inglebert Humperdink. I love 446 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: that name. It's just so weird. Did you know that's 447 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: not his real name, that's his stage name that he 448 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: chose that he thought that was a good idea. 449 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 2: Ingolbert Humperdink was a classical composer who wrote the opera 450 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 2: Henzel and Gretel. So I think he was just borrowing 451 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: it from that, because it is like an amazingly absurd name, 452 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: sort of like our pal Kurt Vile borrowed his stage name, 453 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 2: I believe from the weirdo composer as well the threepenny opera. 454 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: Nice. And as as this diet, the Pineapple diet, we're 455 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: getting to as it becomes more and more popular with 456 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: the swells and the to do's, Mazel does make it 457 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: to the spotlight. She gets featured on talk shows. They're 458 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: broadcast around the world to promote her diet plant, the 459 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Diet. If you follow it, they say, in 460 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: just fifteen days you could lose thirty five pounds. Nope. 461 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: Hearing that number and that amount of time makes me 462 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: really worried for the person on this diet. Oh. 463 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's just it doesn't seem very safe. You know, 464 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: typically you'd lose that amount of weight in like, you know. 465 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: A year. Yeah, I mean, according to masl it's not 466 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: just the food that you eat, it's the order in 467 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: which that food is consumed. You can only eat fruit 468 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: during breakfast on an empty stomach, and then once you 469 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: ate lean proteins, you could no longer eat fruit for 470 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: the rest of the day. Yeah. 471 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: These kind of specific order of operations things that are 472 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: real red flag y. Yeah, agree, especially from someone without 473 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: a science back. 474 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: Uh, it is a fruit heavy diet, but which has 475 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: a lot of sugar in it. It has a lot 476 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: of sugar. But here's the thing you might hear lean protein. Okay, 477 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: so if that's my switch, I'll just figure out when 478 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: I want to eat the lean protein and then no 479 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: more fruit for a day. Unfortunately, you are supposed to 480 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: eat nothing but fruit for the first ten days on 481 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: the fifteen day diet, so no protein. Yeah, so on 482 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: day eleven you can have some protein a little bit 483 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: of carb as a treat, and that's the second phase 484 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: of the plan. She loved pineapples, she thought fruit enzymes, 485 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: if you consume them first, they made your digestive tract 486 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: better at breaking down other foods later. 487 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, like a lot of the tenets of these fad diets, 488 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: that's a myth that has since been discredited by actual 489 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: doctors and scientists. So as a little aside, all of 490 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: those fruits, as you can imagine, were not particularly great 491 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: for other aspects of digestion aka pooping. 492 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, us, you're super into pooping. You would be disappointed 493 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: to learn that all this consumption can lead to diarrhea. 494 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: Now on the other side, this diet plan, it's still 495 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: very Beverly Hills. They're not saying you can't have alcohol, 496 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: but they are saying you have to have some rules. 497 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: Beer or hard spirits, they have to be consumed with carbohydrates. 498 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: You can only have red and white wine with fruit. 499 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: And champagne per masal is neutral. It can be consumed anytime. 500 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: It's almost like there's a certain like the humor's aspect 501 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: to this, Yes, in the champagne is the neutral humor 502 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: that is so Hollywood. 503 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, old Hollywood, very Gatsby esque, you know, champagne. Yeah, 504 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: And someone's like, dear Lord Zelda it's nine to thirty 505 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: in the morning. No, it's okay. Champagne isn't the champagne. 506 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: It's neutral. 507 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: It could be consumed with any of these outline food 508 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 2: groups that Masls came up with. So you know, of course, 509 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: professional nutritionists were a little skeptical, dare we say wary 510 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: of Mezel's diet plan because they believed that it was 511 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: quack science. 512 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And Masil basically said, I hear you, and 513 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: then went on to do whatever she wished. And yet 514 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: here I go on there another talk show. To spread 515 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: the good word. She went to publish several war books 516 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: offering nutritional advice, all inspired by that disembodied voice that 517 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: told her to chase some cashowes. I think I maybe 518 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: interrupted you when you brought that up in and I'm sorry. 519 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 2: The voice did tell her to get the cashoes, at 520 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: which point she pulled over to a health food store, right, 521 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: and then found some book that I believe. 522 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: Sparked the idea of this whole enterprise. Yeah, one hundred percent. 523 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you got to take the inspiration where you 524 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: find it, right. 525 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: Listen to all the voices as listen to them, single one. 526 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: We've got a great episode on intuition coming up for 527 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: stuff that'll want you to know, folks, we can't wait 528 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: for you to tune in for that one. This next one. 529 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: Full disclosure. I have members of my family who tried 530 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: out the fad diet known as slim Fast. I think 531 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: we all probably did. It was absolutely huge. 532 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: The little pre made Sheiks Thompson Medical Company founded this 533 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: enterprise in the late seventies. Slim Fast hit a massive 534 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 2: commercial stride in the eighties and would continue on to 535 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: dominate the industry into the millennium. So by two thousand, 536 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: the year two thousand, slim Fast generated over one billion 537 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: dollars in global sales, which would look a little closer 538 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: to two billion if you did the old inflation calculator. 539 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: Bee boopo. Yeah, I mean this is serious money. At first. 540 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: What you're buying a supplement kind of it's a powder 541 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: sick a packet and you're supposed to mix it with milk. 542 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: You can still find slim fast these days. They'll have 543 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 1: all these candy flavors, you know, like vapes or pop tarts. 544 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: That's a red flag right there too. 545 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, let's get let's let's lose weight by drinking 546 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: milk shakes just so, I mean, we're the flavors to 547 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: kind of. 548 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: They they are flags like coffee House, Caramel Latte, triple 549 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: Berry vanilla. 550 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it was not even ingredient that was 551 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: meant to promote weight loss, isn't it Essentially just like 552 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 2: a protein shake, it's meant to be a food replacement, 553 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: and it's a way of limiting your calories by knowing 554 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 2: exactly what you're consuming, you know, in the form of 555 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: this this shake or this powder. 556 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, it's it's very dense with vitamins and minerals, 557 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: but it's it's trying to concentrate all the good stuff 558 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: and eliminate the calories that usually come along with a 559 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,239 Speaker 1: full meal. It also reminds me of something funny that 560 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: happened at our job years and years back. We started 561 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: getting shipments of something called fuel sponsor for let's not 562 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: forget about soilin Oh yeah, soilent as well. That was 563 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: a moment for us because folks, technically the FCC requires 564 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: us to actually try out any product if we're going 565 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: to endorse it on the air, which is a good 566 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: law to have, And so we ended up drinking fuel 567 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: and soilent. It wasn't that mass people. No, No, it's fine. 568 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: But it's a really good thing to bring up in 569 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: because it very much is a modern equivalent of this 570 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 2: exact bad diet. And I believe, if I'm not mistaken 571 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 2: soil intent Chuel, they do have more nutrients in them. 572 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 2: They've got other vitamin content and. 573 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: Proteins, etc. 574 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 2: So there's something to it if that's the route you 575 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 2: want to go and you use it responsibly. But they 576 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 2: did initially, you know, truck this product out as a 577 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 2: get thin quick scheme, right, and their first try at 578 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 2: it was in the form of a cherry red and 579 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 2: this really threw me for a loop and. 580 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: Predigested liquid protein. 581 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 2: It makes me think of the way the mama bird 582 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 2: like choose up food and spits it into the baby 583 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 2: bird's mouth. 584 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: Yuck. 585 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: This came out in nineteen seventy seven and it was 586 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 2: quickly recalled, if you can imagine, for containing bacterial contamination. 587 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: So they had to do a little bit of a pivot. Yeah, 588 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: you know, not every first at bat is going to 589 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: be a home run. But thankfully they had already been 590 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: working around the clock at their lab. They had invented 591 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: a chocolate protein powder. And this was not a huge 592 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: revolutionary idea at this point in the seventies, so they 593 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: didn't invest too much into the marketing for this thing 594 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: that would become called slim fast in protein powder. The 595 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: reason it's not revolutionary per se is because protein powder 596 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: had first been commercialized and popularized way back in the 597 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties by a guy named Irvin Johnson who ran 598 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: a gym in health studio in Chicago one hundred percent. 599 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 2: It was initially, you know, as it is often today, 600 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: used as a supplement for bodybuilders to bulk up. 601 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And the demand for the product then starts. 602 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: It starts in a specialized way with a pretty niche demographic, 603 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: but Johnson's competitors start catering to the same audience. They're 604 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: kind of trying to eat his bodybuilder lunch. The Thompson 605 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: Medical Company, the originators of slim Fast, they say, Okay, 606 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: there are a lot of protein powder is on the market. 607 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: We have to do a serious rebrand. Uh, So we've 608 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: got to pivot. What if we sold this protein powder 609 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: not to bodybuilders, not to the good folks reading Ironman magazine, 610 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: but what if we sold it to regular people? What 611 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: if we specifically targeted women and we said, this is 612 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: not a quick fix to get you know, to up 613 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: your your body mass and your your muscle mass. This 614 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: is a way for you to be healthy and maybe 615 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: lose some weight to get slim fasts. Yes, just like 616 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: mattress firm is a pusful. 617 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 3: So if I can jump in here real quick, I 618 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 3: want to just make sure that everyone knows that this 619 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 3: is Irvin Johnson with an. 620 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: I, not E, who is or E A R V 621 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: I N. 622 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 3: Johnson, who is also more commonly known as Magic Johnson. 623 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: Great max with the facts in phona and peaceful in knowledge. 624 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: It's just for you right now, the fact indeed there 625 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: it is well done, Happy twenty twenty six. So this 626 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: this is not a pretty great idea. But then they 627 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: run into a catch. It's something called the Cambridge diet. 628 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: To the point to get about diets being named after places, 629 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: that's right. 630 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 2: The Cambridge diet was developed by a doctor named Alan Howard. 631 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 2: He was a professor at Cambridge University. That's the one, 632 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 2: the Cambridge University. This diet plan was pretty straightforward. You'd 633 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 2: drink three of these Cambridge shakes a day instead of 634 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 2: eating meals meal replacement. And you know, they did contain 635 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 2: some of the valuable nutrients that our bodies need, vitamins 636 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 2: and minerals, et cetera, but the total daily caloric content 637 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 2: cocked it in an estimated three hundred and thirty calories, 638 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 2: which is way too low, like starvation territory, right. 639 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: It's the epitome of feeling like you're eating but not 640 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: actually eating. So much so that the FDA stepped forward 641 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: and warned the public about the Cambridge diet. And when 642 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: that happened, slim fast weedling its fingers, steepling them like 643 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: Monty Byrn. Is it a swoop? Yeah, they saw it, 644 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: They saw the position, they took the advantage, and they 645 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: popped through the marketplace and they started advertising directly against 646 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: the Cambridge Diet with a slogan that would have made 647 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: Don Draper very proud. A shake for breakfast, a shake 648 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: for lunch, then a sensible dinner. That's the slogan they adopted. Yeah, 649 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: same model, just packaged a little differently. 650 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 2: Same model as the Cambridge Diet in the way the 651 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 2: Thompson Company packaged it and distanced itself from this FDA 652 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 2: scrutiny on Cambridge diet was by suggesting that its consumers 653 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 2: should not rely solely on their product for assustenance, that 654 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 2: sensible dinner recommendation, and then it's outside of the purview 655 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 2: of their slop that they're feeding you exactly. Yeah, that 656 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 2: sounds mean, it's probably fine for some people. Just it 657 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 2: is kind of gross and it's I don't like the 658 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 2: idea of subsisting on shakes. There is a better way, 659 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 2: fruits and vegetables, just eating a well balanced diet. 660 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: All of this stuff, it just seems so missing the point. 661 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: You know, people will do anything but exercise. Man, that's 662 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,240 Speaker 1: part of it. So let me just have a magic 663 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: coupo something not change my shoot behavior. Yeah, but okay, 664 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: let's fast forwards the nineteen nineties, slim Fast is still 665 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 1: very well known at the tippity top of the fat 666 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: diet pyramid. But by the late two thousands we see 667 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,439 Speaker 1: the cycles shift once more, and now people are going 668 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: away from this pseudo medical diet philosophy and aesthetic and 669 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,919 Speaker 1: they're going back to what we would call the ancestral 670 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: diet trends, like what are the cavemen eat? Why can't 671 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: I eat like a cave boy? 672 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 2: The paleo all this, and the thing is man bodies 673 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 2: are different, like everybody is different, and some things work 674 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 2: well for some and not well for others. So it's 675 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 2: important to try different things and figure out, you know, 676 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 2: like Anthony Keatas for example, like of the red Hot 677 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 2: chili peppers. Recently, I saw a clip where he was 678 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 2: talking about how when he was dating a nutritionist at 679 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 2: some point in the past and she recommended that he 680 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 2: eat like wild meats, that he felt great and then 681 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 2: he had all this energy and that he was able 682 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 2: to build all this muscle and stuff. So I don't know, 683 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 2: maybe uh, Anthony Keta's wild meats was was the answer 684 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 2: that he needed. But it's also a lot of it's relative, 685 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I think the biggest takeaway is 686 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 2: just don't overdo it. Just try to be a little 687 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 2: bit sensible. 688 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. I would also say, folks, most importantly, at least 689 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 1: from my perspective, be kind to yourself. Don't let society 690 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 1: tell you that, don't let them foist expectations or requirements 691 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: on you. It's okay to be who you are, you know, 692 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: And that's something that I think we miss a lot 693 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: of times, not just in the entertainment world, but especially 694 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: in the age of ubiquitous social media. You can also 695 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: bet to your bottom dollar that there are going to 696 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: be more fad diets on the way because of what 697 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: they promise, right or what they imply. It's just it's 698 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: just too nice for it not to happen again, and 699 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: it's too profitable. And when you run into a fad 700 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: diet that seems too good to be true, history has 701 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,959 Speaker 1: proven it probably is, yeah, for sure. 702 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 2: And not to mention that we're in an era particularly 703 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 2: fraught with misinformation right now. You have a lot of 704 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 2: these folks that are pitching things like bone broths and 705 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 2: all of this kind of like doomsday. 706 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: Supplements and things like that, and they just. 707 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 2: They don't have your best interest in heart, and it's 708 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 2: just important to do your own research and again figure 709 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 2: out what works best for you. But know that there 710 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 2: really isn't a magic bullet. And even if that those 711 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 2: z epic of it all, you know, seems like a 712 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 2: magic bullet, there are people that take that and they 713 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 2: don't do any exercise, and they don't change their diet, 714 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 2: and they kind of they are skinny, but they look 715 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 2: they don't. It's not I don't know, they just don't 716 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 2: look healthy. And I just think it's important to pair 717 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 2: any quote unquote magic bullet treatment with sensible behavior in 718 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 2: changing the way that you approach you know, eating and living. 719 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: And then when you get off of the gop one, 720 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: unless there's serious behavior change, what we've seen so far, 721 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,879 Speaker 1: even with the relatively new rollout of this, is that 722 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: the weight returns, you know. 723 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 2: So it is key to learn a little bit of 724 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 2: restraint and try to just you know, just get your 725 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 2: steps in. Just little things like that can make a 726 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 2: huge difference in your mental health and in your you know, 727 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 2: the way you look and the way you feel. 728 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, none, no preaching here, something at you on 729 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: or we could all just do meth Kitty kitty nobody. 730 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: That's not the great. That's not a great way to 731 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: start twenty twenty six. Fist full of Mommy's little helpers, 732 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: and thank you so much for starting your year with us, folks. 733 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: We're so happy that you're joining us. Big, big thanks 734 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: to our super producer mister Max Williams and Alex Williams 735 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,240 Speaker 1: who composed this track. 736 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 2: Huge thanks again to our reach Asso Shit and pal 737 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 2: Ran for this excellent part two of fad diets to 738 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 2: kick off twenty twenty six with you ridiculous Historians. Also 739 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,359 Speaker 2: a huge thanks to Chris Frasciotis and he's Jef Coates, 740 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 2: Kier and Spirit. 741 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: Big big thanks of course to Gary Dorsey also known 742 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: as Ingolbert Humperding. I don't know the name like that. 743 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: I guess see maybe why I had changed the name. 744 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: It was a little dull. Okay, yeah, Big things to 745 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: doctor Rachel Big Spinach Lance A J. Bahamas Jacobs, the 746 00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: Puzzler and a civil yet cold acknowledgment of Jonathan Strickland 747 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 1: aka the Quister to find how to Jonathan Man? 748 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 2: How much spinach do you think doctor Lance has to 749 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 2: cook down to make a big spinach? 750 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: Oh? Man, it's so much. I think she owns its 751 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: land dedicated to growing spinach. 752 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 2: Crops, Doctor Rachel Big Spinach Lance Landed. 753 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: Gentry the spinach Tycoon. We'll see you next time, folks. 754 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 755 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.