WEBVTT - Kat’s ‘Deading It’ 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:04.000 Hey, everyone, welcome back to bet your happy hour. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.559 Joe and I'm Sarena and we are here today with 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:08.039 Cat Cat and welcome back. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:09.280 It's a happy hour. 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:11.640 Hey guys, happy to be just here. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:12.360 You were just here. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.640 But the show is officially aired, so now we can 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:17.279 talk about that's gone down. 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:18.720 It's happening. 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:20.599 Huh, it's happening. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.800 How overall, how are you feeling so far? 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:30.000 I mean much better that this time, like than I 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.840 was before. It's you know, it's definitely just like more 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:38.320 fun to watch, Like it's actually like a good show, 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.440 Like it's just really it honestly, it's an entertaining not 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.360 just with my situation, but like everyone's Like it's it's 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.040 fun to see everyone's personalities like actually come through and 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:51.000 you can just see it. It's been really fun. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.920 Is it looking and feeling like you expected it to 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:56.040 after filming? 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.120 Oh? I mean we had an idea, but nobody could 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.240 have expected it to look this good, Like like the 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.880 ring lights were really like doing their job, like it 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.320 looks so good, and like the slow mo and like 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.560 the little like white lotus like noises in the background, 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.440 Like I'm like, wow, this is like elevated elevated because 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.679 we had like some idea, but the creative is not 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:18.600 top notch. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.959 Is there anything so far that you've watched back that 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.640 surprised you about any of anything like your castmates or 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.200 anyone said or has done that You're like, oh, fuck, 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:30.199 I didn't know that one down. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.600 Oh yeah, actually a lot of things. Well, I mean 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.200 I knew Brian was being toxic. I saw it from 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.200 I talked it like day one, that he had that 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.319 in inside him. Did I think he was taking it 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.080 to the level that he was in the interviews? Absolutely not. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.440 I feel like that happens every year. We like see 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.160 what people were saying in their internal dialogue, that a 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:54.000 lot of things should probably stay inside your head, and 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.640 you know the Jeremy and Bailey stuff. I mean, I 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.280 learned about that later, but like I still had no 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:01.920 idea that it got to the extent that it was, 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:03.960 or that their conversation was as heat as it was. 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.639 I learned more about like how close people's relationships were prior. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.680 Like there's just a lot of things that you have 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.800 a lot more private moments I think in this setting, 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:17.120 so you don't really see everybody's like relationship playing out 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.320 and people were still kind of keeping their cards close 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:23.280 to their chest at this time. So yeah, I think 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.079 it was just I'm learning a lot. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:32.320 Okay, let's go, let's let's let's cut to episode one. 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.360 Day one. You're down there? 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:39.840 Sure who Dale isn't there yet? Who are you potentially 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:40.640 interested in? 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.280 I mean, Day one for me was really just like 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.040 getting the jitters out, feeling comfortable in this environment and 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.480 learning who everybody was. Like I kept calling Spencer Sebastian 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.640 like I could not get his name right, so now 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.720 we have a running joke about it. But like it 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.560 was more so just like feeling everyone's energy. I would say, 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:03.640 like I had the most like banter with Jonathan, Like 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.840 we had like good like back and forth. So that 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:10.600 was like fun, but like it wasn't that intense, like 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.519 oh we're like people were actually just like pulling you 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.639 to chat, like nobody cared, Like Kyle pulled me to talk, 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.359 Jeremy pulled me to talk, like everyone was just kind 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.960 of like making an effort to get to know everyone 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.480 and go into like one on one conversations about it. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:24.760 And then even the girls, we just all wanted to 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.359 like learn about each other, and like I knew no one, 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.560 So it was just kind of like a taking in 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:30.880 everything at once. 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:37.320 Dale shows up and we interviewed Jonathan, and Jonathan said 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.680 he was interested in you, and then Pal showed up 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.920 and he kind of saw the way you reacted. I know, 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.600 she was really excited, and then he's like, Okay, I 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:55.200 I immediately checked out. Do you think is that true? 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.720 And do you think he should. 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.200 Have kept pursuing you? Because that's that's how he That's 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:02.040 what he said. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.160 But it does seem like on the show it does 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.640 look like he's still pursuing you. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.520 I mean yeah, because I wouldn't say he checked out. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.240 Maybe he like wanted to. Okay, this is backstory. I 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:15.920 knew no one going into this. I didn't know who 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.200 was going to even potentially be there. Ricky told me like, oh, 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:20.560 by the way, I have you heard of like Dale, 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.400 like he might be coming here, And that was I 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.120 think day one, and I was like, wait, that sounds familiar, 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.760 and I was like, wait, he's an adult, Like he's 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.560 like he's like a like a like an adult man. 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:33.040 And so I was like, oh my god, wait, that's 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.000 really exciting if it's true, because like he could be 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.720 someone I would actually be like super interested in So 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.719 that's where the excitement came from because I was like, oh, okay, 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.400 so that actually is happening. And at that point, no 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:47.080 one was really like like I know Jonathan's he I 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:52.279 think he's like afraid to like make moves. So he 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.080 was almost like giving friend zone bribes to everyone, and 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.359 he was not being direct until Alex told him to 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.400 be direct, and then he actually, I don't remember what day, 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.720 it was, definitely up until this point, he had told 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.120 me like, by the way, I'm interested in you, and 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.360 I was like, okay, I'm like still vibing with you too, 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.559 Like I just because I was excited about Dale doesn't 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:15.159 mean that I'm not excited or like still interested to 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.000 pursue and like. But he was like I was surprised 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:19.600 to like not see you in the kissing booth and 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:21.520 stuff like that. And that was like a few days later, 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.680 and I was like, oh, really now, because I wouldn't 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.200 even if you wanted to kiss me. Why didn't she 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.320 kiss me before? Like why didn't take a challenge? And 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.160 that's kind of where I was at. I was like, well, 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.039 these guys all had their chance first week. They didn't 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.560 want to make it I'm not going to like kiss 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:38.720 them now, like that's weird. So yeah, because I want 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.240 a man that like will not have to wait for 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.800 someone to put us now. So that's why I was excited, 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.279 because I was like, okay, like he is definitely someone 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.479 I can see like more. And but at that point 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.479 the guys, I was like maybe, but like I didn't know. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.360 I just didn't have like that clearer vision of that. 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:58.839 Yes that makes sense. 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:03.279 Yeah, that clears things up. Okay, okay, so so Dale's 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.520 down there is there is there a spark right away? 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:08.640 I mean it seems like you guys really hit it off. 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:13.839 I think we just like felt like, okay, you get it. 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.840 I get it, like you've been here before, like there 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.600 was no one there that had been in this environment 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:20.840 before besides. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.760 Me, well Justin, but just there quite yet. Oh wait. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.240 Yeah, but it was like that was platonic and he 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:30.279 was like doing anything with Lexi. 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:35.920 But no, did Justin pull you to chat? 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.840 Mm hmm okay, but there was never a world where 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.600 you and Justin were would have killed each other. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.839 You have the same birthday. I can't date a Gemini 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.560 man that has exact same birthday as me. That's crazy. 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.960 University had handled that. No, but I think we just 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.640 like that was where I was coming from. I also 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.960 just like kind of liked his like confidence and like 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.279 just overall aura Like he wasn't like getting he was 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.839 just he was clearly just like moving with however he 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.000 wanted to move like throughout when he came in and 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.200 I saw like Zoe initially pull him and like everybody 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.560 get excited, and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna see 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.520 if he comes to me, like I'll be there, I'll 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.280 be in conversation, but I'm not going to be like 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.120 all over because that's just like not really how I 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:23.480 am anymore. And so but then once we like started talking, 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.760 I mean immediately was like okay, yeah, like we can 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.840 like we can kick it. It's like there was no 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.520 awkward like moments or anything like that. We got deep 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.160 really fast and felt comfortable doing so Okay. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.960 So now you're you're kind of I don't want to say, well, 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:41.720 are you locked in at this point? 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.520 Like, well, let's talk about your date first with Neil. 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:48.160 How the day go date was great? Yes, I got 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.240 sick no, I and I know. 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.000 I would have got sick to I mean that would 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:54.240 have been the worst I knew. 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.640 I knew off rip. He even knew that I knew, 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.120 like like I took a Zo Friend, which is an 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.920 anti Najamed prescription based I was eating my ginger tablets 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.560 and I had a drummine in my system, but sitting backwards, 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.640 it was a wrap. But it's I did not like 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.280 I kept it so cool, like I was like trying 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.120 to keep it together. So he actually like did not 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.120 know how unwell I was until I couldn't take it 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.120 anymore because I know people are like, why didn't he 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.200 like do anything. I like truly didn't say anything until 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.200 I was like, okay, we've had our conversations, like I 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.960 need to take a break, and that's when I was like, 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.160 let me flip around and just like see the horizon. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.000 But I didn't want to like interrupt our conversations by 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.599 like being like, hey, I can't, like I'm about to 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:40.000 throw up in my mouth. So it was like that's 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.280 what it was, but overall so much fun. We just 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.360 got really deeply fastic. We connected about like both being 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:52.080 engaged in that place and having like our own situations 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.440 post show with the world, and it just felt like 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:59.960 someone I could like really like understands that unique experience 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.640 that you don't really find here as often. So we 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.840 just really connected. I think, like on that level for sure. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:13.200 Is there another man from veter Nation that could come 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.760 down that you would be interested in at this point? 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:17.640 Like was there anyone else you were hoping to see 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:18.160 down there? 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.520 I'm I Joe. I literally didn't know anyone like I 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.400 was thinking they were going to bring in like I mean, yeah, 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.560 they brought in like someone that I had never heard 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.720 of or something like I don't know or like I 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.480 mean I judge people, but then they come in there 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.520 completely different. So and I have really been so apart 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.400 from the Bachelor world up until that point for like 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.240 two years, so I really didn't really even know who 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.200 was like a possibility. But I will say, like it 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.800 was obviously day two. I didn't want him to feel 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:47.600 like just because we went on a date, he has 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.520 to like stay loyal to me in any capacity, like 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.600 I told him, like keep having conversations with girls, like 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.120 get to know people. I was going to go back 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.160 and still talk to Jonathan, like we had this great 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.960 moment and like if but you use that moment almost 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.559 to like if you're still thinking about that while you're 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.480 talking to other people. Then that says more. And I 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.520 just never wanted him to feel like he was confined 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.240 because I know his first experience was limited. So I 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.720 don't think any of us were locked in yet. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.880 So you guys, you guys are still open. And then 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:21.480 Dale is also I don't know, I wouldn't say pursuing, 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.360 but there's these having conversations with Ali Joe and are 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:26.160 you aware of that. 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:26.680 At the time? 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.480 Okay, so that's week two. I was after the first 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:34.760 Frost ceremony. I knew girls were coming in. I knew 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.199 he was going to be a hot commodity like Hughsdale. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.760 I had a feeling that maybe like that was going 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.679 to be one of the girls that she was interested, Like, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.880 I mean it's Dale, Like I figured every girl's going 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:50.120 to come in and be interested. Did I know the extent. No, 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.160 But I also wasn't pressing, like I wasn't like like 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.400 trying to get like if he wanted to tell me, 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:58.440 he would And that was still early and I didn't 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.880 want it to feel like he had any obligation to. 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.280 We did talk about like transparency. That was like one 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.280 of our first things, like that was our foundation was 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.920 to make sure that we are just completely open about 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.040 how we're feeling and what's happening, because these are people 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.319 that are literally living next door to us. And last 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.480 one is to find out stuff from watching it back 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.520 or you know, hearing about it from someone else. You 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.880 want to come from this person who've been creating a 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:28.840 connection with. So but at the same time, like the 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.959 intimate things, I feel like I wasn't really pressing at 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.000 that moment because it was still so early. 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.440 Got it? Okay, So now we're going to cut to 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:46.080 this week's episode. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.199 Yeah, from we do did you. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.640 Know because we're about to get into you know, the 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.880 Ali Joe kiss of it all before we go there. Yeah, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:12:00.760 you know that Dale kissed Zoe in the kiss challenge? 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.760 Oh yeah, I knew all the kissed. He told me 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:04.880 about all the girls he kissed. 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.640 Okay, so after the kissing challenge, you guys did debrief. 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.040 Yeah, I knew all the girls who kissed in there. Yeah, Okay, 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:12.920 I was doing the math, like while the girls were 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.080 going I had like a way of figuring it out. Okay, 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:20.280 So I knew that he kissed like all four of them. Yeah, 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.200 in the kissing challenge. But then I was, so you're 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:23.880 interested in her? 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.480 Okay, that's fine, right because it was you, Zoe, Ali, Joe, 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:32.160 and then I believe Alex. Yes, yes, okay did that 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.000 because we didn't really see a lot of aftermath from 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.000 the kissing challenge? Did that cause any rifts or were 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.160 you like okay, I'm like, I'm just clocking that, Like 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:42.360 that's where you're at right now. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.160 I told literally all the girls, I said, you should 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.240 all put down like you all guys should all kiss 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.760 in Like why not? He's so hot like I would. Yeah, 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.800 I was here for it. I mean, what did I 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.360 think he was going to do all that? I don't know, 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.199 but I feel pretty confident in my kissing. 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:02.160 Any part of you want to explore, I kissed with Jonathan. 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:02.520 In that change. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.240 Did you kiss anyone else or just Dale? 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.280 No? I just kissed Dale. I thought about it. But 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:11.040 like I said, I like those guys had already been 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.360 there for a week with me, so like you wanted 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.520 to make a move, you absolutely could have had the chance. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.120 Like we've had many converts like one on ones that 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.679 probably didn't have the reason to be aired. So like 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:23.559 if they are not going to I'm not going to 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.480 be with somebody that it takes that moment to be 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:30.200 put forced together to see if there's chemistry. Yeah, so 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.200 that was just where I was coming from. And yeah, 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:35.960 I just didn't think it was necessary. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.439 Did the kissing challenge with Dale spark any insecurities about 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.160 his potential connections with other women? 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:42.959 Or were you good about where you're at? 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.200 I felt really good at that moment because like he 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.720 told me we were solid, So I was like, okay, 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:50.840 so you couldn't do your thing. But I guess maybe 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.760 I was last and like, you know, no, I don't know, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:57.559 And yeah, he said we were solid, so I was like, Okay, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.480 we're good. But I also was like if we're not, 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.840 like I'll be like it's fine. It's like I just 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:03.760 met esterday. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.120 Are you still like him telling you you guys are solid? 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.840 But in your head, are you still somewhat open to 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.640 like pursuing Jonathan or if someone else comes down or that. 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:15.480 I feel like you kind of have to be like 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.920 I am someone that's I have. I feel like you 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.400 like in that space, you kind of have to like 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.200 be still open because that's the point is to like 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.280 see where your emotions go. But I definitely had my 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.560 strongest like feelings and like I would say, like formed 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.680 foundation with Dale, Like we had spent we got back 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.640 from the date, we spent the whole night together, like 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.000 we spent the whole morning together, Like we're kind of 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.680 we were kind of like attached at the hips. So 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.880 even though we've kind of sparked off and talked to people, 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:46.920 like we all, we kept coming back to each other. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.440 So I felt like that was like a good We 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:50.840 were definitely connected the most. 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:51.760 Got it? 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.360 Okay, So then in this episode, you and Dale are 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.920 having a conversation and you asked him did you kiss 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:03.240 Ellie Joe outside of the challenge? And he says yes, 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.120 And then you guys get into a little back and 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:07.960 forth where you said, you know, I thought we were 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.760 going to be transparent, why didn't you tell me this? 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.160 And he was like, this wasn't a big deal. It 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:16.080 wasn't even on my mind. So kind of just like run. 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.360 Us through what the issue was with that. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.840 Everything there in that first conversation, Yeah. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.720 The first one, the first one on. 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.400 You're like sitting on the beach, it's daytime. 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.600 You know. I asked that question and I did not 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:35.080 expect that response. I so I was just first taken 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.880 it back by being like, oh, okay, I. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.960 Wouldn't think he kissed Sally Joe when you asked, you 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:40.960 thought that was going to be. 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:47.000 No, right because why have why have all these hours 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.400 gone by that that was not said, you know, and 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:50.960 so I. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.440 Would have kissed if you would have kissed Jonathan, of 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.320 course you would have let him know. 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.680 At this point, well, we said we met it, we 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:02.200 set the foundation that transper like literally our connection is 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.160 the strongest, so like if that changes or if like 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:09.400 that was like a conversation we had. Okay, I think 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:14.320 that was initially the night that Ali Joe went on 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:15.560 the date, so it was like the night of the 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.160 kissing challenge because that's when we debriefed everything and really 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.200 moving forward, like let's just make sure that we're honest 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.280 about everything. Like this environment's already a lot for both 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.960 of us. So for that precedent to be set and 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.440 then not met, I'm like, okay, what and also just 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.560 as who I am, like hey, by the way, because 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.200 we're all around each other, and again I'd rather come 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.520 from us than someone else because then I can get misunderstood. 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.720 And so anyways, I was just like, oh okay, so 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.320 that was like not what we talked about, and I 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.280 just kind of like took it in and kind of 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.600 let him just talk. I think, if I can remember correctly, 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.240 that was like where my mind was going. And I 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:57.840 was just like like absorbing, but also like frustrated obviously 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.160 because that was like just not where I thought it 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.120 was going to be. But it wasn't. Again, it was 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.520 it wasn't about the kiss. It was like, so what 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.760 else is it that I don't know? Like what else 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.159 has happened that I'm not being And then that's like 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:11.880 where my mind started going. 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.760 Right, Like you're feeling like if I hadn't asked this, 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.080 I might not have known, So like what other questions 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.360 do I need to be asking to make sure I'm 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:20.960 getting all the information right? 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.119 It's like more like that you said you were going 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.040 to do something and didn't stand on it, like didn't 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.280 do it. Like now I'm like all my little trust 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:32.240 issues are being like starting to get you know, alarm 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.320 alarmed at the moment, But I knew I needed to 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.879 sit with it before I like really responded, because I 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:39.760 didn't want to come from a place of like just 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.879 you know, triggers and alarms. 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:44.840 Is there anything that he could have said in that 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.040 first conversation that would have. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:54.960 Brought some closure to the situation, like maybe. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.320 Not using the word debdited as often as he did, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.760 because that to me, like I get it, but it 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.800 was like so like non serious, and like to me 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.119 that moment was like serious. So it was like please 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.360 use a different term, and it was making me go crazy. 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:15.040 I think all I wanted. I don't because I hope 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.119 I was able to communicate at the time, Like it's 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.960 but you know the issue with like the lack of 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:23.560 communication that was done. 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.199 That's that's how it comes across. 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.440 It doesn't come across. It doesn't come across like you're 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.720 upset about the kiss. It comes across that you're upset 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:31.919 that he didn't tell you. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.960 And all I needed to hear in that moment probably 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.080 was like, Okay, I see that. I know that I 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.159 sat that and like are we set that? And I 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.080 didn't live up to it? And I can understand why that. 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.680 Can you know, bring up some things for you and 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:50.080 like moving forward, I'll be more mindful and maybe giving 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.679 some perspective of the situation, like but not from a 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.960 place of like you have to like give perspective, but 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.359 also like acknowledge that what I'm feeling is not like 0:18:58.600 --> 0:18:59.959 just because it's not a big deal to you, to 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.760 mean that's not going to hurt my little sensitive heart. 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:03.320 Yeah. 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.160 So yeah, I just think if he just acknowledged that, 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.440 then we wouldn't have had to have the same conversation 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.320 that we had later or that was also what I 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:10.800 was seeking. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:15.760 So yeah, and by dead ad it it seems that 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:19.200