1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to bet your happy hour. 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 2: Joe and I'm Sarena and we are here today with 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: Cat Cat and welcome back. 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: It's a happy hour. 5 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 3: Hey guys, happy to be just here. 6 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: You were just here. 7 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: But the show is officially aired, so now we can 8 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 2: talk about that's gone down. 9 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 3: It's happening. 10 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 4: Huh, it's happening. 11 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: How overall, how are you feeling so far? 12 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: I mean much better that this time, like than I 13 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 3: was before. It's you know, it's definitely just like more 14 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: fun to watch, Like it's actually like a good show, 15 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 3: Like it's just really it honestly, it's an entertaining not 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: just with my situation, but like everyone's Like it's it's 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: fun to see everyone's personalities like actually come through and 18 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: you can just see it. It's been really fun. 19 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 5: Is it looking and feeling like you expected it to 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 5: after filming? 21 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: Oh? I mean we had an idea, but nobody could 22 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 3: have expected it to look this good, Like like the 23 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: ring lights were really like doing their job, like it 24 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 3: looks so good, and like the slow mo and like 25 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: the little like white lotus like noises in the background, 26 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: Like I'm like, wow, this is like elevated elevated because 27 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 3: we had like some idea, but the creative is not 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: top notch. 29 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: Is there anything so far that you've watched back that 30 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: surprised you about any of anything like your castmates or 31 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: anyone said or has done that You're like, oh, fuck, 32 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 2: I didn't know that one down. 33 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, actually a lot of things. Well, I mean 34 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 3: I knew Brian was being toxic. I saw it from 35 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: I talked it like day one, that he had that 36 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 3: in inside him. Did I think he was taking it 37 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: to the level that he was in the interviews? Absolutely not. 38 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 3: I feel like that happens every year. We like see 39 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: what people were saying in their internal dialogue, that a 40 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: lot of things should probably stay inside your head, and 41 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: you know the Jeremy and Bailey stuff. I mean, I 42 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 3: learned about that later, but like I still had no 43 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: idea that it got to the extent that it was, 44 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 3: or that their conversation was as heat as it was. 45 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 3: I learned more about like how close people's relationships were prior. 46 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: Like there's just a lot of things that you have 47 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: a lot more private moments I think in this setting, 48 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: so you don't really see everybody's like relationship playing out 49 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: and people were still kind of keeping their cards close 50 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: to their chest at this time. So yeah, I think 51 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 3: it was just I'm learning a lot. 52 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: Okay, let's go, let's let's let's cut to episode one. 53 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: Day one. You're down there? 54 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: Sure who Dale isn't there yet? Who are you potentially 55 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: interested in? 56 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: I mean, Day one for me was really just like 57 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: getting the jitters out, feeling comfortable in this environment and 58 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: learning who everybody was. Like I kept calling Spencer Sebastian 59 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 3: like I could not get his name right, so now 60 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 3: we have a running joke about it. But like it 61 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: was more so just like feeling everyone's energy. I would say, 62 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 3: like I had the most like banter with Jonathan, Like 63 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: we had like good like back and forth. So that 64 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: was like fun, but like it wasn't that intense, like 65 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 3: oh we're like people were actually just like pulling you 66 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 3: to chat, like nobody cared, Like Kyle pulled me to talk, 67 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 3: Jeremy pulled me to talk, like everyone was just kind 68 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: of like making an effort to get to know everyone 69 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: and go into like one on one conversations about it. 70 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: And then even the girls, we just all wanted to 71 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 3: like learn about each other, and like I knew no one, 72 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: So it was just kind of like a taking in 73 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: everything at once. 74 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: Dale shows up and we interviewed Jonathan, and Jonathan said 75 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: he was interested in you, and then Pal showed up 76 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: and he kind of saw the way you reacted. I know, 77 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: she was really excited, and then he's like, Okay, I 78 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: I immediately checked out. Do you think is that true? 79 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: And do you think he should. 80 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: Have kept pursuing you? Because that's that's how he That's 81 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: what he said. 82 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 5: But it does seem like on the show it does 83 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 5: look like he's still pursuing you. 84 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, because I wouldn't say he checked out. 85 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: Maybe he like wanted to. Okay, this is backstory. I 86 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: knew no one going into this. I didn't know who 87 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: was going to even potentially be there. Ricky told me like, oh, 88 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: by the way, I have you heard of like Dale, 89 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: like he might be coming here, And that was I 90 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: think day one, and I was like, wait, that sounds familiar, 91 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: and I was like, wait, he's an adult, Like he's 92 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: like he's like a like a like an adult man. 93 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 3: And so I was like, oh my god, wait, that's 94 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: really exciting if it's true, because like he could be 95 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 3: someone I would actually be like super interested in So 96 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 3: that's where the excitement came from because I was like, oh, okay, 97 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: so that actually is happening. And at that point, no 98 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: one was really like like I know Jonathan's he I 99 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 3: think he's like afraid to like make moves. So he 100 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: was almost like giving friend zone bribes to everyone, and 101 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 3: he was not being direct until Alex told him to 102 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: be direct, and then he actually, I don't remember what day, 103 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 3: it was, definitely up until this point, he had told 104 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: me like, by the way, I'm interested in you, and 105 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I'm like still vibing with you too, 106 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,559 Speaker 3: Like I just because I was excited about Dale doesn't 107 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 3: mean that I'm not excited or like still interested to 108 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: pursue and like. But he was like I was surprised 109 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: to like not see you in the kissing booth and 110 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: stuff like that. And that was like a few days later, 111 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, really now, because I wouldn't 112 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: even if you wanted to kiss me. Why didn't she 113 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: kiss me before? Like why didn't take a challenge? And 114 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 3: that's kind of where I was at. I was like, well, 115 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 3: these guys all had their chance first week. They didn't 116 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: want to make it I'm not going to like kiss 117 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 3: them now, like that's weird. So yeah, because I want 118 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: a man that like will not have to wait for 119 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: someone to put us now. So that's why I was excited, 120 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: because I was like, okay, like he is definitely someone 121 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: I can see like more. And but at that point 122 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: the guys, I was like maybe, but like I didn't know. 123 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: I just didn't have like that clearer vision of that. 124 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 3: Yes that makes sense. 125 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, that clears things up. Okay, okay, so so Dale's 126 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: down there is there is there a spark right away? 127 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: I mean it seems like you guys really hit it off. 128 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 3: I think we just like felt like, okay, you get it. 129 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 3: I get it, like you've been here before, like there 130 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: was no one there that had been in this environment 131 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: before besides. 132 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 4: Me, well Justin, but just there quite yet. Oh wait. 133 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was like that was platonic and he 134 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 3: was like doing anything with Lexi. 135 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 4: But no, did Justin pull you to chat? 136 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: Mm hmm okay, but there was never a world where 137 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: you and Justin were would have killed each other. 138 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 3: You have the same birthday. I can't date a Gemini 139 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: man that has exact same birthday as me. That's crazy. 140 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 3: University had handled that. No, but I think we just 141 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: like that was where I was coming from. I also 142 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 3: just like kind of liked his like confidence and like 143 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 3: just overall aura Like he wasn't like getting he was 144 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: just he was clearly just like moving with however he 145 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: wanted to move like throughout when he came in and 146 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: I saw like Zoe initially pull him and like everybody 147 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: get excited, and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna see 148 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 3: if he comes to me, like I'll be there, I'll 149 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: be in conversation, but I'm not going to be like 150 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: all over because that's just like not really how I 151 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: am anymore. And so but then once we like started talking, 152 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: I mean immediately was like okay, yeah, like we can 153 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: like we can kick it. It's like there was no 154 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: awkward like moments or anything like that. We got deep 155 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: really fast and felt comfortable doing so Okay. 156 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: So now you're you're kind of I don't want to say, well, 157 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: are you locked in at this point? 158 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 4: Like, well, let's talk about your date first with Neil. 159 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: How the day go date was great? Yes, I got 160 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: sick no, I and I know. 161 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: I would have got sick to I mean that would 162 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: have been the worst I knew. 163 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: I knew off rip. He even knew that I knew, 164 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: like like I took a Zo Friend, which is an 165 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: anti Najamed prescription based I was eating my ginger tablets 166 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: and I had a drummine in my system, but sitting backwards, 167 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: it was a wrap. But it's I did not like 168 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: I kept it so cool, like I was like trying 169 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: to keep it together. So he actually like did not 170 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: know how unwell I was until I couldn't take it 171 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: anymore because I know people are like, why didn't he 172 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 3: like do anything. I like truly didn't say anything until 173 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, we've had our conversations, like I 174 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: need to take a break, and that's when I was like, 175 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: let me flip around and just like see the horizon. 176 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: But I didn't want to like interrupt our conversations by 177 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 3: like being like, hey, I can't, like I'm about to 178 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: throw up in my mouth. So it was like that's 179 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: what it was, but overall so much fun. We just 180 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: got really deeply fastic. We connected about like both being 181 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: engaged in that place and having like our own situations 182 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: post show with the world, and it just felt like 183 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: someone I could like really like understands that unique experience 184 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: that you don't really find here as often. So we 185 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: just really connected. I think, like on that level for sure. 186 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: Is there another man from veter Nation that could come 187 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: down that you would be interested in at this point? 188 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: Like was there anyone else you were hoping to see 189 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: down there? 190 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: I'm I Joe. I literally didn't know anyone like I 191 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: was thinking they were going to bring in like I mean, yeah, 192 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: they brought in like someone that I had never heard 193 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 3: of or something like I don't know or like I 194 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: mean I judge people, but then they come in there 195 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: completely different. So and I have really been so apart 196 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: from the Bachelor world up until that point for like 197 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: two years, so I really didn't really even know who 198 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 3: was like a possibility. But I will say, like it 199 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: was obviously day two. I didn't want him to feel 200 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: like just because we went on a date, he has 201 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 3: to like stay loyal to me in any capacity, like 202 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: I told him, like keep having conversations with girls, like 203 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: get to know people. I was going to go back 204 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: and still talk to Jonathan, like we had this great 205 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: moment and like if but you use that moment almost 206 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 3: to like if you're still thinking about that while you're 207 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: talking to other people. Then that says more. And I 208 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: just never wanted him to feel like he was confined 209 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: because I know his first experience was limited. So I 210 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: don't think any of us were locked in yet. 211 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: So you guys, you guys are still open. And then 212 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: Dale is also I don't know, I wouldn't say pursuing, 213 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: but there's these having conversations with Ali Joe and are 214 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: you aware of that. 215 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: At the time? 216 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: Okay, so that's week two. I was after the first 217 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: Frost ceremony. I knew girls were coming in. I knew 218 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 3: he was going to be a hot commodity like Hughsdale. 219 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: I had a feeling that maybe like that was going 220 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 3: to be one of the girls that she was interested, Like, 221 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: I mean it's Dale, Like I figured every girl's going 222 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: to come in and be interested. Did I know the extent. No, 223 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: But I also wasn't pressing, like I wasn't like like 224 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: trying to get like if he wanted to tell me, 225 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: he would And that was still early and I didn't 226 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: want it to feel like he had any obligation to. 227 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: We did talk about like transparency. That was like one 228 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 3: of our first things, like that was our foundation was 229 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: to make sure that we are just completely open about 230 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: how we're feeling and what's happening, because these are people 231 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 3: that are literally living next door to us. And last 232 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: one is to find out stuff from watching it back 233 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: or you know, hearing about it from someone else. You 234 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: want to come from this person who've been creating a 235 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 3: connection with. So but at the same time, like the 236 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 3: intimate things, I feel like I wasn't really pressing at 237 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: that moment because it was still so early. 238 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: Got it? Okay, So now we're going to cut to 239 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: this week's episode. 240 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, from we do did you. 241 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 5: Know because we're about to get into you know, the 242 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 5: Ali Joe kiss of it all before we go there. Yeah, 243 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 5: you know that Dale kissed Zoe in the kiss challenge? 244 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I knew all the kissed. He told me 245 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: about all the girls he kissed. 246 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 5: Okay, so after the kissing challenge, you guys did debrief. 247 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew all the girls who kissed in there. Yeah, Okay, 248 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 3: I was doing the math, like while the girls were 249 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: going I had like a way of figuring it out. Okay, 250 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: So I knew that he kissed like all four of them. Yeah, 251 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 3: in the kissing challenge. But then I was, so you're 252 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: interested in her? 253 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 5: Okay, that's fine, right because it was you, Zoe, Ali, Joe, 254 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 5: and then I believe Alex. Yes, yes, okay did that 255 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 5: because we didn't really see a lot of aftermath from 256 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 5: the kissing challenge? Did that cause any rifts or were 257 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 5: you like okay, I'm like, I'm just clocking that, Like 258 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 5: that's where you're at right now. 259 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: I told literally all the girls, I said, you should 260 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: all put down like you all guys should all kiss 261 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: in Like why not? He's so hot like I would. Yeah, 262 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 3: I was here for it. I mean, what did I 263 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 3: think he was going to do all that? I don't know, 264 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 3: but I feel pretty confident in my kissing. 265 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 5: Any part of you want to explore, I kissed with Jonathan. 266 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 4: In that change. 267 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: Did you kiss anyone else or just Dale? 268 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: No? I just kissed Dale. I thought about it. But 269 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: like I said, I like those guys had already been 270 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: there for a week with me, so like you wanted 271 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: to make a move, you absolutely could have had the chance. 272 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: Like we've had many converts like one on ones that 273 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 3: probably didn't have the reason to be aired. So like 274 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 3: if they are not going to I'm not going to 275 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: be with somebody that it takes that moment to be 276 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: put forced together to see if there's chemistry. Yeah, so 277 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: that was just where I was coming from. And yeah, 278 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 3: I just didn't think it was necessary. 279 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 5: Did the kissing challenge with Dale spark any insecurities about 280 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 5: his potential connections with other women? 281 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 4: Or were you good about where you're at? 282 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 3: I felt really good at that moment because like he 283 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: told me we were solid, So I was like, okay, 284 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: so you couldn't do your thing. But I guess maybe 285 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: I was last and like, you know, no, I don't know, 286 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 3: And yeah, he said we were solid, so I was like, Okay, 287 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: we're good. But I also was like if we're not, 288 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 3: like I'll be like it's fine. It's like I just 289 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: met esterday. 290 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: Are you still like him telling you you guys are solid? 291 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: But in your head, are you still somewhat open to 292 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: like pursuing Jonathan or if someone else comes down or that. 293 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: I feel like you kind of have to be like 294 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: I am someone that's I have. I feel like you 295 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: like in that space, you kind of have to like 296 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: be still open because that's the point is to like 297 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: see where your emotions go. But I definitely had my 298 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: strongest like feelings and like I would say, like formed 299 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 3: foundation with Dale, Like we had spent we got back 300 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: from the date, we spent the whole night together, like 301 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: we spent the whole morning together, Like we're kind of 302 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: we were kind of like attached at the hips. So 303 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: even though we've kind of sparked off and talked to people, 304 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: like we all, we kept coming back to each other. 305 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 3: So I felt like that was like a good We 306 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: were definitely connected the most. 307 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: Got it? 308 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: Okay, So then in this episode, you and Dale are 309 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: having a conversation and you asked him did you kiss 310 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: Ellie Joe outside of the challenge? And he says yes, 311 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: And then you guys get into a little back and 312 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: forth where you said, you know, I thought we were 313 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: going to be transparent, why didn't you tell me this? 314 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: And he was like, this wasn't a big deal. It 315 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: wasn't even on my mind. So kind of just like run. 316 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: Us through what the issue was with that. 317 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: Everything there in that first conversation, Yeah. 318 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: The first one, the first one on. 319 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: You're like sitting on the beach, it's daytime. 320 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: You know. I asked that question and I did not 321 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: expect that response. I so I was just first taken 322 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: it back by being like, oh, okay, I. 323 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 4: Wouldn't think he kissed Sally Joe when you asked, you 324 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 4: thought that was going to be. 325 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 3: No, right because why have why have all these hours 326 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 3: gone by that that was not said, you know, and 327 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 3: so I. 328 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: Would have kissed if you would have kissed Jonathan, of 329 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: course you would have let him know. 330 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: At this point, well, we said we met it, we 331 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: set the foundation that transper like literally our connection is 332 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: the strongest, so like if that changes or if like 333 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: that was like a conversation we had. Okay, I think 334 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 3: that was initially the night that Ali Joe went on 335 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: the date, so it was like the night of the 336 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: kissing challenge because that's when we debriefed everything and really 337 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: moving forward, like let's just make sure that we're honest 338 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: about everything. Like this environment's already a lot for both 339 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: of us. So for that precedent to be set and 340 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: then not met, I'm like, okay, what and also just 341 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: as who I am, like hey, by the way, because 342 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 3: we're all around each other, and again I'd rather come 343 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: from us than someone else because then I can get misunderstood. 344 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: And so anyways, I was just like, oh okay, so 345 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: that was like not what we talked about, and I 346 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: just kind of like took it in and kind of 347 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: let him just talk. I think, if I can remember correctly, 348 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 3: that was like where my mind was going. And I 349 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: was just like like absorbing, but also like frustrated obviously 350 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: because that was like just not where I thought it 351 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: was going to be. But it wasn't. Again, it was 352 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: it wasn't about the kiss. It was like, so what 353 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: else is it that I don't know? Like what else 354 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 3: has happened that I'm not being And then that's like 355 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 3: where my mind started going. 356 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 5: Right, Like you're feeling like if I hadn't asked this, 357 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 5: I might not have known, So like what other questions 358 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 5: do I need to be asking to make sure I'm 359 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 5: getting all the information right? 360 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 3: It's like more like that you said you were going 361 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 3: to do something and didn't stand on it, like didn't 362 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 3: do it. Like now I'm like all my little trust 363 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: issues are being like starting to get you know, alarm 364 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 3: alarmed at the moment, But I knew I needed to 365 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 3: sit with it before I like really responded, because I 366 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: didn't want to come from a place of like just 367 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 3: you know, triggers and alarms. 368 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: Is there anything that he could have said in that 369 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: first conversation that would have. 370 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: Brought some closure to the situation, like maybe. 371 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: Not using the word debdited as often as he did, 372 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: because that to me, like I get it, but it 373 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 3: was like so like non serious, and like to me 374 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 3: that moment was like serious. So it was like please 375 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 3: use a different term, and it was making me go crazy. 376 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 3: I think all I wanted. I don't because I hope 377 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 3: I was able to communicate at the time, Like it's 378 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 3: but you know the issue with like the lack of 379 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: communication that was done. 380 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: That's that's how it comes across. 381 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: It doesn't come across. It doesn't come across like you're 382 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 2: upset about the kiss. It comes across that you're upset 383 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 2: that he didn't tell you. 384 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 3: And all I needed to hear in that moment probably 385 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: was like, Okay, I see that. I know that I 386 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 3: sat that and like are we set that? And I 387 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: didn't live up to it? And I can understand why that. 388 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 3: Can you know, bring up some things for you and 389 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: like moving forward, I'll be more mindful and maybe giving 390 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 3: some perspective of the situation, like but not from a 391 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 3: place of like you have to like give perspective, but 392 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 3: also like acknowledge that what I'm feeling is not like 393 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 3: just because it's not a big deal to you, to 394 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 3: mean that's not going to hurt my little sensitive heart. 395 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 396 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 3: So yeah, I just think if he just acknowledged that, 397 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 3: then we wouldn't have had to have the same conversation 398 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: that we had later or that was also what I 399 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 3: was seeking. 400 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 5: So yeah, and by dead ad it it seems that 401 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 5: he's essentially saying, like I ended things with Ali Joe, 402 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 5: like I told her there's nothing there, so like there's 403 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 5: not an issue issue over but it didn't seem like. 404 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 4: That was actually your concern. 405 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 5: It was not you guys were just not like lining 406 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 5: up on the communication. 407 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, the communication was like not there. We were like 408 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: speaking a different language to each other almost. Yeah. I 409 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: just think that like it was he was like doing 410 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: with the classic like guy like logic where they like 411 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 3: want to like talk about the actual situation, but in 412 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: doing so, like are like the women like just want 413 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: to be like I'm heard and I'm seen and like 414 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: I'm okay and I'm safe, And when they get so 415 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 3: fixated like intellectually on the situation, it completely like you 416 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 3: lose the picture like it didn't need to get there. 417 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 3: It could have been like squashed, but it was. I 418 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 3: was trying to say that, but I think even the 419 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: more I was saying that, it just kept going like this, 420 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 3: like over and over, and then I was feeling more unheard. 421 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 3: And up until that point, like we I have trust 422 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 3: issues going to this environment. I've been open about it. 423 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: I've been honest about it. Who wouldn't. I'm sure he 424 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: does too. I don't think we understood enough about each 425 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: other's triggers. So I think we were kind of like 426 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 3: hitting old wounds on one another without even realizing. And 427 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 3: that's like the place that we were coming from, and 428 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 3: that's why there was such a misalignment. 429 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, And in the second conversation that you guys have 430 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 5: before in the Row ceremony, he seems very fixated on 431 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 5: the timing of the conversation. 432 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 4: He's really upset that. 433 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 5: You've brought this up before a Row ceremony, and he 434 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 5: wishes that you'd waited, like done it earlier or later. 435 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 5: As a viewer, it's not totally clear like why that 436 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 5: timing is so uncomfortable for him. 437 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 4: Can you maybe shed some light on that? 438 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I don't know, I still don't fully understand it. 439 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 3: I think what he I mean, maybe it was the 440 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 3: fact that he's like, well, time has gone by, I 441 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 3: thought it was over. Maybe he felt anxiety about it 442 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: being real ceremony night and he didn't want it to 443 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: be a thing on a night that was already stressful, 444 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 3: and I should have been like more like cautious of that, 445 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 3: but like for me, I'm thinking, like, I don't even know. 446 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 3: It has nothing to do about that. 447 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: Like it was real quick. Was Dale ever under the 448 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 1: impression that you knew that he had kissed Elie Joe? Okay, 449 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: so okay, that would that would be how. 450 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: The timing thing would maybe make sense in my mind 451 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 2: where it's like you knew this information, you held it 452 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: for a few days, and then you brought it up 453 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: before the role ceremony, where he's like, why wouldn't you 454 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: bring it up? 455 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 4: But you'd clearly found out off morning? 456 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: Okay? 457 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, basically in his perspective, So that morning I find 458 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 3: out and then we still go about the day, but 459 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 3: I'm still like I'm talking about Jonathan talking about with 460 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 3: my girls. I'm like still like making sense of it. 461 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: So I was like, I think he thought the conversation 462 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: was over in the morning, and so I said, I 463 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: know that, like I had to stay with it for 464 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: a second. And now this has come up, and like 465 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 3: initially I wanted it to be like a moment that 466 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 3: brought us together, like, hey, these are my triggers, Like 467 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 3: if you say you're gonna do something and you don't 468 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 3: do it, it really hits old wounds of like people 469 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 3: that can't be trusted. And this is already like tough 470 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 3: enough to we don't know each other yet, so like 471 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 3: that's really like I wanted it to be a moment 472 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: that we can understand each other better. And instead of 473 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 3: I was not like coming down on him for it. 474 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 3: I really just wanted I didn't feel like he fully 475 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 3: understood me the first time, and that still needed to 476 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: be addressed. Also, I doing those things you learn about 477 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: people's communication styles and what they can handle and how 478 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 3: you guys come to agreements of things, and I still 479 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: needed to get a better assessment of that, and that 480 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 3: was my time to do it. Time is limited. I 481 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 3: wasn't ready to have the conversation fully ex didn't really 482 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 3: fully understand where my emotions were at, and that I 483 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 3: expressed that to him. I don't think he heard it, 484 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 3: because I think he was in such a defense mode 485 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 3: that a lot of the things I said went right 486 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 3: over his head and he was just like focused on 487 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: making sure that I understood that it was deaded. 488 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 2: I guess, Okay, so why why did you give him 489 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 2: your ros? 490 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like I'm not afraid of conflict, 491 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 3: you know, like's I feel like, if anything, it's like 492 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: I saw it as like a turning point to like 493 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 3: help me understand how we can still move through things, 494 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: like we're all making choices in real time with like 495 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 3: limited information. And I still felt like we had enough 496 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 3: built up until that point where we could just be 497 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: having like a hard moment and we're going to keep 498 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 3: going from there. Like people have hard moments, couples have 499 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 3: hard moments, and I'm not just going to run when 500 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: we have like not the best discussion. And I still 501 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: had like I you know, I just I don't know, 502 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: It's not like I'm like, Okay, we have a hard time. 503 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: I'm like done. 504 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: I mean I think it was. 505 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was yeah, Like we had built 506 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 3: so much up into that point. I'm not just going 507 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 3: to walk away from it, and there wasn't like, really, 508 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 3: I wasn't interested in starting fresh with anyone. 509 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 5: Else At any point were you seriously considering not giving 510 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 5: him your rose? And do you think Dale was like 511 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 5: I feel like I'm in jeopardy now. 512 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 3: I mean, he did say some shit right for the 513 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 3: rose ceremony that I was like, interesting, But. 514 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 4: What did he say? 515 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 3: I think that was when he first said the background 516 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 3: thing okay, and so that was like, oh, is this 517 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 3: where this is going? And I was like, oh, I 518 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 3: don't know if I like that very much, but I 519 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 3: still had curiosity. I don't think I was ever like 520 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 3: fully fully committed to or at all to walking away 521 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 3: from that relationship yet at all. Yeah, No, that was 522 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 3: he was always going to be. I knew that it 523 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 3: was we were going to continue on, and I felt 524 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: like I was giving assurance. Like I don't think I 525 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 3: don't know why he would ever feel like he was 526 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: in jeopardy like of that. I understand how like may 527 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 3: have with the Jonathan stuff, but like if you feel 528 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: like we're like as solid as you say, like you 529 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 3: know that, like this is just a hard conversation and 530 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 3: like even though it's on a rose ceremony night, like 531 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 3: that doesn't change anything it's just just the limited time 532 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 3: that we have. 533 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, can you tell us more about the Jonathan stuff. 534 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 5: Our conversation with him, He described it as more of 535 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 5: just like you guys were friends and he was just 536 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 5: wanted to be there to comfort you. But where it 537 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 5: does kind of look like he's maybe interested in seeing 538 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 5: if there's some wiggle room to get rose and to 539 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 5: explore a relationship. 540 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 3: I thought it was friendship. I thought it was friend 541 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 3: like when he sat down with me, like, you know, 542 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,239 Speaker 3: it was funny, like I was, like, it was just 543 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 3: it was actually like cinematic communic timing. I literally said, well, 544 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 3: I like floting with Jonathan and I'm just like flirt 545 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: with him the rest of the night and walks right 546 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: over like that was like real that actually happened, And 547 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: so it was just comedic timing. But I think he 548 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 3: really was coming for a place of just trying to 549 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 3: check in on like me as a friend. Like it 550 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: wasn't like he wasn't trying to like swoop in at 551 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 3: least the way I was seeing it. 552 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 4: HM. 553 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 5: Okay, so you guys have kind of developed like a 554 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 5: genuine friendship at this point, and it's from a pass 555 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 5: of support. 556 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 3: And I had I had definitely asked like I was 557 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 3: getting a guard from him earlier and like talking through 558 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: my emotions and so but friends flirt, so maybe not usually, 559 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 3: but but at the time it was still like, yeah, 560 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 3: you know, you good advancer. But overall now I don't 561 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 3: think it was ever like gonna be romantic. And I 562 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 3: think you do that. 563 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: Okay, so you give you give dall your rose, and 564 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: you guys will smile, kiss, happy yay. And then right 565 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: after you guys get back. 566 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 4: Into I think you made a joke about situation. 567 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 5: You kind of tried to make like what happened it 568 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 5: felt like for you like I had kind of remember. 569 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 3: I remember that vivid, vividly so funny. I'm like, okay, 570 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 3: he's not saying any words like I'm gonna like I'll 571 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 3: do it, and I'm like, let me make a joke 572 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 3: and maybe he'll it'll light in the mood and he'll 573 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 3: realize like we're good, like we're just gonna pick it 574 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 3: up later things are. I could just see it in 575 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: his face, and uh. 576 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 5: I'm assuming for you, like you guys will be having 577 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 5: more conversations about this, but just right now it's not done. 578 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 4: But like, let's try to lighten up, Let's. 579 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: Have a good night, let's go to bed, like not upset. 580 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 3: So I make the little joke and I'm like, oh, 581 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 3: that that didn't land. I guess you hated that, and 582 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 3: uh that opened up the conversation. But at that point 583 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 3: I was actually like, first of all, you're supposed to 584 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 3: laugh when I make a joke, so that's annoying. Second 585 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 3: of all, why are we still talking about this? Like 586 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 3: what do you mean? Like do you not understand that 587 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 3: we could just like move on tomorrow like you said? 588 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 3: But like also like why are we going back and 589 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: forth at the same thing. I just feel like we 590 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 3: were talking about the same thing. And I definitely felt 591 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 3: like I got more frustrated there because I'm like, I 592 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 3: just we're I gave you my rose, We're moving on, 593 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 3: Like what's what is the problem, Like, let's not be 594 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 3: so like hostile with each other. We can still have 595 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 3: the conversation. But I felt hostility and like almost like 596 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, like shutting me out. And I 597 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: didn't like that very much. 598 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: Well, I was it was frustrating the watch because you 599 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: guys are not in a place where you're having this 600 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: this argument, but you're not communicating like both of you 601 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: are on like two different like you're saying one thing 602 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: he's saying and nothing. And it's like there's no way 603 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: with the way that you're going you guys are going 604 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: about this, you're not going to find a solution. 605 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, because the conversation got worse and worse because the 606 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 5: emotions just got heightened and heightened, and you had simmered 607 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 5: down like faster than he had, and it just kind 608 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 5: of like reignited for that last I think. 609 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 3: I remever that high. I think I stayed you. 610 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, you didn't ever seem that he did. 611 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 3: But I also noticed that he was so like when 612 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 3: I noticed that he was getting worked up, I really 613 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: was like, okay, I need to stay here because if 614 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 3: I match him, then this is going to go through 615 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 3: the roof. And I kind of wanted him to pick 616 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: up my energy to like we're okay, we're safe, We're okay, 617 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 3: we're safe, Like we can just have this conversation. It 618 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: just like didn't At that point. I think I was 619 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 3: starting to climb too, because I'm like, this is like insane, 620 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 3: like why are we still tapping this conversation? Why can't 621 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: we meet? I looking back, I realized like there was 622 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 3: no way we did. We were literally speaking a different language. 623 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 4: Like actually, so going to bed that night, how are 624 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 4: you feeling? 625 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: Oh? I was really sad that night he said that 626 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 3: comment about the background, and it was so like as 627 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: I was walking away that I was just that I 628 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: think all the emotions came at once, and like all 629 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 3: my fears of like judgment and everything just like hit me. 630 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 3: And not just that, but like I was really afraid 631 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 3: to get back into a relationship that might be unhealthy, 632 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: and like right now the way we're communicating was pretty unhealthy. 633 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: And so it wasn't just like a throway comment, like 634 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 3: it hit pretty deeper, honestly, deeper than I thought it 635 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: was going to. But it just like brought up the 636 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 3: misunderstooding fear like judgment like for just who I am. 637 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 3: And then I'm like, well, it works really hard to 638 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 3: show up this way, like to be fully self. And 639 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 3: then so when someone that I care about is like 640 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 3: implying that our differences might be a problem, it just 641 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 3: makes me like question, like, Okay, maybe I'm too much, 642 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 3: like maybe I shouldn't or anything. Am I like enough? 643 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 3: And that kind of like burbage like language that he used, 644 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 3: like even if it wasn't meant to be hurtful, just 645 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 3: poked at like some really hard wounds that I went 646 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 3: to bed with that night, and like I truly was like, Okay, 647 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 3: I'm done. I don't want to do this anymore. I 648 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: should have never came here, Like I had a whole 649 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 3: crash out because I tried to do the right thing. 650 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: I tried to bring up the things and like say 651 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 3: as calm as possible, but and then I felt like 652 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: because it wasn't perfect that and I was like, what 653 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 3: do you know about my background? Because I don't come 654 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 3: from the best background, Like I actually have had a 655 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 3: lot of things. Do you know about that? And you're 656 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: using it against me? Like what or do you think 657 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 3: that I come from this like perfect life? And now 658 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 3: it's you know, I don't know. I just didn't understand it. 659 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 3: So I created my own narrative of it. 660 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: Yeah it was. 661 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 3: And then I was like I just I didn't know 662 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 3: what was going to happen when I woke up, Like 663 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 3: I was like really contemplating just like giving up, yeah, 664 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: just being drama. 665 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: You know, we we we'll see what happens. Because this 666 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: is basically the end of the episode or like the 667 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: end of your story, we see of you and d Also, 668 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: we're excited to keep watching. I hope you guys work 669 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: it out, but you never know. Kat, thanks so much 670 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: for taking the time and coming on the podcast. 671 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. This has been such a better 672 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 3: experience overall. I would say it's been so fun. 673 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 4: So far, so good. We're happy for you. 674 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 3: Thanks, guys, this has been great. Thanks for having. 675 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: Me, of course, and to all our listeners, thank you 676 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: for tuning in the Batchler Happy Hour. Make sure you 677 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 2: download and subscribe to the podcast. 678 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 4: Keep watching Bachelor in Paradise, and thanks for listening to 679 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 4: Bachelor Happy Hour. We have new expecive interviews every single week. 680 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 3: Bye.