WEBVTT - NOLAN WELLS BOMBSHELL RPT: REVEALS NEW WITNESSES, TIMELINE "SHIFT?" 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:02.559 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:13.960 A Nolan Wells bombshell report tonight? Does it reveal new witnesses? 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:20.200 And because of the new timeline report, is there a 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:26.520 timeline shift in what happened? The afternoon and evening Nolan 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:34.239 Wells seemingly disappears, his body found washed up at Horn Island. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.199 Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:46.599 want to thank you for being with us. What is 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:48.920 in that autopsy now? 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:52.000 I really want to see the other autopsy to see 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:53.240 is there trauma to the body? 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:54.600 Is there something that happened. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.120 I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.440 I have no doubt that what we're listening to you 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.360 and what she did is credible. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:10.480 Not only has the timeline been analyzed by the Cajun Navy, 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:14.160 the US Cajun Navy based on all sorts of statistical data, 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:18.600 new photos are emerging. Take a look at this photo 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:23.080 before we go to the Cajun Navy. Look at this 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:29.080 Check out what you're seeing. Look at all the boats 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.720 surrounding where Nolan was leave up. The photo out to 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.680 Kaitlin Becker, Senior national correspondent, New York Post, Star of 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:41.720 New York postcast of their new podcast Caitlin, what are 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:42.720 we seeing? 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.240 Well, what we're seeing here comes from this new report 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:49.280 from the United Cadian Navy, and you're seeing several boats 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.520 run together. This is one of the first images that 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:55.080 we've seen of this certain configuration of boats there. They're 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.279 all identified, one of which was the boat that Nolan 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.480 came out there on. There are several others kind of 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.400 anchored with it and tied up with big question of 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.680 where was Nolan when this photo was taken, because it's 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.320 unclear if he's actually in it, what time was this 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.519 photo actually taken. So what you're seeing here is, as 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.240 you said, a potential full of witness it. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.560 Hey, Caylen, look at this. There's boat number one, there's 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:25.560 boat X, there's boat number two, there's boat number three, 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:30.080 and there's a boat from which the photo is taken. 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.079 Now look in the water there much has been made. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:38.200 Nolan Wells was drinking, okay, Well, apparently everybody was. They 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:43.600 all have containers, open containers in the water. Okay, as 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.400 far as I know, that's not a felony. Boat number 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.920 one full of people, Boat X full of people, Boat 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.000 number two full of people, Boat number three full of people. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.760 People on the boat from which the photo was taken. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:02.120 Some of these boats tied together there. You know what 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.880 that means in my world, Kaitlin Becker joining us in 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.839 the New York Post, let me see Kaitlin, please, that 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:12.440 means witnesses. So when I look at that, I see witnesses. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.399 Other people say, hey, there's people having a good time. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:18.000 I see witnesses. Do you see all those people and 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.440 a lot of you were they? Have they been spoken to? 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.040 Have they been polygraphed? 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.320 What can they tell me? That is a question. 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:24.560 Right. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.160 We don't know from an investigative standpoint, who has been 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.200 spoken to exactly who is in this photo and what 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.040 they have or haven't pulled. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.200 Law enforcement hasn't been really. 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.080 Any parents there, but from what our reporting has showed, 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.120 there have been dozens of people who have spoken to 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.120 law enforcement as witnesses. But Nancy, we don't know if 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.920 it's any of these people that you're seeing in this 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.600 little cove area right here. And the timing I think 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:53.760 is really important because these images are taken right around 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.200 I think the timeline's about three thirty ish, four thirty 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.240 ish when the boat that Nolan came out there on 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.200 leaves and starts taking on water. That's one of the 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.360 pegs for the timeline when these photos were actually taken. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.720 That is a peg for a timeline. But what we 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.000 don't know is where Nolan is. There he is, you 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.200 can see that image right there. But we don't know 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.839 is where Nolan was when that first image that we 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.159 saw with all of those boats kind of tied together 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:20.480 when that was taken. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.039 You are seeing a photo obtained by our friends at 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:31.880 the United Cajun Navy. And speaking of the United Cajun Navy. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:38.239 Joining me now is Brian Trasher, Vice President, United Cajun Navy. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:43.080 And for all of you attacking the United Cajun Navy, 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.479 let's see that aerial footage they provided us. This is 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:52.880 from the Cajun Navy describing their search, their aerial search, 0:04:53.680 --> 0:05:02.839 they spotted Nolan Wells's body. They have been integral in 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:08.800 the search for Knowen Wells and helping elucidate the facts 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:15.159 as we know them. Brace yourself, Trasher. Everybody else is 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.080 getting death threats. You might as well join the party. 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:23.480 To you, Brian Trasher, The United Cagian Navy has come 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.599 up with a timeline. Now, did I hear Caitlin Becker 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.480 from the New York Post correctly that that photo where 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.840 the boats are named Boat one, Boat two, Boat three, 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:37.119 and Boat X, is that from you guys the United 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:37.880 Cagian Navy. 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.200 First of all, I want to thank you for calling. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.400 Just report what it is and it's a timeline, and 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.599 some people have called it an investigative report, and it's 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.159 not accurate because, as you know, we're not investigators. And 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.920 what we did, Nancy, was we asked our followers say, hey, 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.599 if anybody was there that day, you have pictures, videos, whatever, 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.839 send it to us, just so we can go through 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.359 and see if there's anything relevant. We took all that 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.000 information and compiled it in to a just one digestible 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.320 report of things we thought were relevant and could be helpful. 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.000 Maybe they're not. Maybe law enforcement has already seen all 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.760 this and it's it's nothing new to them, but we 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.680 just wanted to be transparent about what we received. So 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.800 going back to your question, the pictures that we received, 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.080 we did not as an organization take any of these photographs. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.880 These are all images that we received from people who 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:25.480 are trying to help us out and trying to help 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:26.479 no one's family out. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.680 So you asked the public for help, and you got it. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.200 You got a treasure trove of photos, and I find 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.159 this was significant. Guys. We've got an all star panel, 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.880 and I would like the all Star panel to look 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:44.520 at their screens because I've talked about this before, Brian Trasher, 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:49.360 and I'm frankly fed up with attacks on the United 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:54.240 Occasion Navy. They're doing something, which is more than all 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.960 of the haters can say. They're doing something. They have 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.440 amassed evidence, they have created a timeline to the best 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.240 of their ability. They have shared it with us, unlike 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.120 the autopsy that is complete, it is being kept secret 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:12.960 from us. That said, they're helping, why trash them? That's 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.120 you know, I'm not a shrink. I can't answer that. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.960 Let's look at this photo and determine what, if anything, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.880 we can discern. Brian, you and I have talked many, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.320 many times, and I told you about a serial killer 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.440 I finally convicted on one case. The jury convicted him, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.720 and I proved a lot because of one ear ring, 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.960 one earring I found in a particular location. The victim 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.960 was wearing an ear ring and the other earring had 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.960 been sliced out of her ear and I found it 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.760 somewhere else, and I learned a lot because of where 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:51.000 it was. Now, don't even bother to tell me that 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:55.160 this photo that you have produced is not probative of something. 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.280 The cluster of boats number one. I see a lot 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:02.600 of witnesses as sure, what do we know what time 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:03.840 this photo was taken? 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:10.760 We don't know definitively times on all these because even 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.520 though there are time stamped, it could be a time 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.640 when it was screenshotted stamped, not necessarily you know, the 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.880 original photographs. So we were very careful to denote that 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:24.840 in our report that we can't verify timelines, although based 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.000 on you know, shadows and positions and things like that, 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.240 we can determine that some of these as noted or 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.240 taken in the late afternoon. One of the things I 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.320 thought was interesting about some of these photos we got, Nancy, 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.160 was that a lot of the photos we had seen 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.400 before were people like in waste deep water, with some 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.240 of the photos we provided show people up you know, 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.360 water up to their chests almost to their neck, and 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:49.160 that's not really waiting, that's that's treading water, in my opinion, 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.840 and that I thought might have been significant to know 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:56.160 that that many people were, you know, perhaps enjoying some libations, 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:57.680 but also in water that might have been a little 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:58.720 too deep just to be playing. 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.040 And one good point, you know, you also said something 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.280 else really smart, and I certainly do not want to 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:08.760 rely on this, but sometimes you have to. You take 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.640 the evidence as you find it, and you make the 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.880 most of what you've got. You said you could tell 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.640 this was late in the afternoon because of the shadowing. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:21.560 I wonder if the tide could tell me anything, because 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.440 how high up the water is. But these people holding drinks, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.320 they're not treading water, trash er, they're standing there. These 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.800 people are not treading water, and the water is up 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.079 to their armpits. Is that the photo you're talking about 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:36.760 as to where you think some of them are treading 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.680 water or are there other photos. 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.880 The photo at the top, Yes, you're right, it's about 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.840 up to their armpit. I think there was one later 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.920 in the report that showed some of the kids. This 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.280 is where this is a screenshot of a social media post, 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:56.800 and there's three boats visible, one fourth boat further in 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.439 the distance, but a lot of kids on one but 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.680 I young people on one boat, some on the boats, 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.600 some in the water, and some of them it looks, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.680 you know, maybe up to the armpit, but some of them, 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.920 depending on their own height, it looks like it's you know, 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:11.920 I could see a girl holding something in her hand 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.199 and the water looks to be pretty close to her neck, 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.120 so that's pretty far out. I know. We've said several 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:21.240 times that corn Island has a very aggressive slope, so 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.760 you can be in shallow water in deep water within 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.480 just a few steps, and once you get into that 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.800 deep water, you're not as able to keep your feet 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.080 on the ground if a current comes and pulls you, 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.840 or God forbid, a riptide comes and drags you. So 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.440 that's why we thought it was significant to know that 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.600 they were socializing in fairly deep water. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.840 Isn't it true, Brian Trasher that these boats are easily 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.880 identifiable by a I call it a tail number like 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.160 you would applying. Every boat has to be registered or 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.439 supposed to be registered, has a number on it and 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.560 often has a name like Tryton. One was named mac Daddy. 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.920 There were other names they're and you know who the 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.719 owner is, and the owner can tell us who was 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:04.360 on the boat that day. Is that correct? 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.599 Theoretically? Yeah, if you can make out the if you 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.000 can make out the registration number or the name of 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.960 the boat, if the vessel's name is registered, you know, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.480 uh with along with the with the with the registration number. 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.280 Usually that's sometimes only on a on a coastguard document, 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.320 but sometimes on the state registration you can put the 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.520 vehicle the boat name if it's asked for or if 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.800 you have one. So that is all possible, you know, 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.480 I'm told and we you know, we're asked to compare 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.320 notes with the with the Sheriff's office, which we're doing. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.760 But I was told that there's been a lot of 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.480 people that have been contacted and interviewed, and there's a 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.760 lot of people who were there that day that voluntarily 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:47.719 came forward to tell what they know, and because they 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:49.880 might have seen their boats and pictures, say oh, you know, 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:51.439 we might want to go ahead and call them and 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.480 let them know, you know, where we were, who is 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.079 with us, and what we know. So I commend those 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.880 people for coming forward, because it's not always easy too. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.600 So Marie Pereira joining us, in addition to the vice 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.920 president of the United Cajun Navy, who has been there 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:10.720 from the get go trying to help solve the case, 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:17.840 Marie Pereira registered nurse, which is important, but she is 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:22.120 a criminal defense attorney and domestic violence expert. She is 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:28.920 a violence expert, certified advocate. Marie, you saw that all 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.760 those people in my book are witnesses. One of them 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.640 is saying at seven point thirty, no one was nowhere 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.400 to be seen. Now I want to see the video 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.520 or the photo again, because you want to tell me 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:46.040 that this guy, Nolan Wills, hit his head and drowned 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.640 and none of those people saw what happened. I find 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.720 that really hard to believe. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.880 It is hard to believe, and that's why it's extremely 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.480 important that the law enforcement are not too proud to 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.439 get help from the public. Like you said, if people 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.599 are sending in videos, they should be using those videos 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:08.280 to conduct further investigation. I'm praying that this is a 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:12.400 situation like Brian Colberger, where the police department they were 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.719 being ragged and being called ranky, dank police while all 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.520 the time they were investigating and putting together a case 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.280 against him. I hold them that, yeah, because all the 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.640 time they were saying, oh what are they doing? It 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.640 was a I think the DA had a long, big 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:32.440 beard which wasn't very conducive to believing he knew what 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:33.760 he was doing, but they knew. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:34.160 What they were doing. 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:39.280 It looked like Leonard Skinner sitting there. That video is 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:43.440 from Officer Tatum's podcast. All this means witnesses to me? 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.680 And do you remember in the Diddy case there was 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.880 actually a toll free number for victims to call. There 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.880 were that many victims. Not that it helped at the trial, 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.840 but that said, I think there needs to be a 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.160 toll free number. If you think you have evidence, dial 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.240 the numb. If you have photos, Like the United Cajun 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.920 Navy is doing, they ask for the public's help. They 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.079 got the public's help, and there's more to get. That's 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:12.439 what is needed now. Every picture, every video. How often 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.640 have cases been cracked when someone spots something in a 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.880 picture they hadn't noticed before, or their memory is jogged 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.200 by a photo or information they've seen online. I've pointed 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:27.320 to this a million times. Brian Trasher, the Gabby Petito case, 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.360 her body would never have been found if it weren't 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:36.880 for amateur sluice. I believe their name is Red, Blue 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.760 and Methane. They were a couple out in the middle 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.680 of nowhere in dispersed camping where there are no porta potties, 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.400 no lights, no hookups, no anything, is just you and 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.800 the wild animals I've camped and dispersed before. They're out 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.400 there and they see a vehicle and they go, uh, 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:59.680 that's Gabby's for transit. And they call authorities who would 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:03.600 never have gone to this dispersed camping area and they 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:08.840 find her remains. That's how the case was cracked. Who 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:13.440 knows what photo, what tip united a Cajun, Navy or 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:17.440 law enforcement or the Nolan Wills team might get that 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:21.840 might crack this case wide open. So that said, Brian, 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.600 how did you create this time a lot? I find 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:28.200 it very interesting. 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:30.640 So first of all, you know, going back to your 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.960 comment about Internet slue, there's a lot of people consider 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.280 themselves internet slue. So some people really are good. And 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.800 there's one young lady who's helped us out on many cases, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.280 who was very helpful in this case. I haven't asked 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.560 her permission yet if I could say her name, but 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.400 if she gives me permission and I'll come back on, 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:47.360 I'll be happy to give her credit for all the 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.800 help she gave us. But basically what we did was 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.000 we took Like I said, we took these pictures. We 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.760 juxtaposed them to you know, like Google Earth and satellite 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.240 pictures of the island to try to determine exactly where 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:05.000 they were. We looked at the initial coordinates called out 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.320 from the h I think from the Coastguard or from 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:11.120 Marine Patrol when the when the missing persons report first 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:15.120 went out, and basically just just try to run these 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.840 pictures against each other to say, Okay, this boat's here now, 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:21.040 it's not here later, you know, and again just create 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.320 an index. You know. We had to use some software 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.160 to help us create the index of the pictures and 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.600 make sure we put it into the best timeline we could. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.560 We included social media posts that you know, may or 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.640 may not have been definitive, but these are This was 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.960 happening in real time, so we thought it was important 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.520 to put those up there to create context. And so 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.800 again like just trying to you know, our goal was 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:46.240 to take what we've received, put it into a digestible 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:50.000 format that just about anybody could understand hopefully, and if 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.960 it's helpful, great, If it's not, then I don't think 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:54.600 no harm, no fault. You know. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.840 Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:12.639 To Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter based on this timeline, 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:17.280 and it may be refined as the days go forward. 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:26.239 How does it shift the timeline because there is a 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:30.399 group of people fighting at five pm? Who are they? 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.560 The friends say they leave at four point thirty one, 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:38.800 that should be able to be verified through GPS five pm. 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:43.240 No one, according to them is still at Horn Island? 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.960 Is he? Because by seven point thirty witness states no 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:51.560 one nowhere in sight? So where was he? He wasn't 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:55.320 floating in the water, He wasn't on the shore. If 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.240 he had hold on Dave to Joe Scott Morgan, if 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:04.240 he had drowned, wouldn't he be floating in the water. 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:08.600 Perhaps I've seen bodies in the immediate that will go 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.439 directly to the bottom, and there are those that do 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.880 in fact float. So a lot of it is going 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:19.400 to depend upon the temperature of the water many times, 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:21.640 a lot of it's going to depend upon is there 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.960 anything else out there that could let's see, how can 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.680 I put this that could in fact impede the body's 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.600 ability to float to the top, like beneath a boat. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:33.919 And as you can see, there are a lot of 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.720 boats out there, So if in fact that had occurred, 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.600 you can actually have bodies that will be caught beneath 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.719 other vessels or cases like that where they're you know, 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:49.160 they were looking around for someone and they couldn't find 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:53.159 them because the whole area was surrounded by vessels. And 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.200 so there are a lot of elements that go into 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:56.960 this an The. 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.119 Photo we keep showing you is on page twelve the 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:04.440 United Cajun Navy report. It chose three boats and more 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:09.760 anchored side by side. Boat number three, the Palm Beach, 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:15.240 and also the Triton we believe, which is the boat 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:19.560 that took Nolan to Horn Island. It's also the boat 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:28.560 that reportedly leaves according to the occupants without Nolan. They 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.800 claim they begged him to board their vessel, but he 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:37.400 said no. Let me understand this. According Caitlin Becker, according 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:42.119 to the mysterious Katie not that mysterious because her sister 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:46.119 has posted and we've obtained her photo. We think she 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:50.160 says he left with his friends. They say he stayed 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.280 with her. Okay, that's problem. 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.160 Yep, that's a problem. And they're also quite a few 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.840 friends that he had come out with. So the Traton 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.359 that he was on. There were three or four people 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.680 on that particular boat that's the one that he had 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:04.360 come out on and the ones that hit the one 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.399 that his friends say. We asked him to get back 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.160 on the boat. He didn't get back on the boat. 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.280 His phone was on the boat. We left, We took 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.520 on water, we needed help. He said he was going 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.120 to stay to talk to this mysterious, as you said, Katie. Mysterious. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.560 Katie says that she talked to him for a minute, 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:22.000 it was no big deal. Then he his friends called 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:24.080 him back and that's where he went, and she just 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.320 assumed he went back on the boat with his friends. 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:28.600 The issue I think that we're running into here is 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.200 that the friends weren't just the four that you're seeing 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.320 right here. There were multiple boats, three boats full of 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.240 friends that came out. So could he have been going 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.320 back to a second boat full of his friends while 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.600 the triton was gone, or were they referring to the 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.560 triton itself. That I think is where the biggest bit 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:47.480 of confusion lays. 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:52.040 Day Matt question. Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter, didn't 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.399 at the get go the friends on the boat stay. 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.600 They didn't know the name of the girl, they didn't 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.720 know who she was, they had never seen her before. 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:06.840 I'm paraphrasing. We can look up their exact words. Then 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:11.760 does it turn out they're actually texting with her about 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:13.159 where is Nolan? 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:17.240 Apparently, Nancy, we've you have to realize a couple of 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.720 things here, and it's getting lost in the muck. 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.240 And the mire is the friends we used the. 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.479 Term Nolan's friends that he went to Horn Island was well, 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:30.119 you know what, Nancy. Many people have said that he 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:33.200 didn't know Katie, they didn't know Katie before that day, 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.679 and that Nolan just started talking to her. But now 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:41.600 it appears that they being the group of friends where 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:44.840 they were communicating with Katie and knew who she was 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:46.439 and that during this So. 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:48.359 Why would they say they didn't know who she was 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:50.080 call her some girl? A girl? 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.359 Well, here's the problem, Nancy, is I keep hearing friends, 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.480 but you realize that Nolan he went out to Horn 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.439 Island on a boat. You know, Warren Hudson has talked 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:02.480 a lot. He's been with Officer Tatum talking about, you know, 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:04.119 his best friend Nolan and the whole thing. 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:05.280 But first of. 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:07.760 All, Warren did not go to Horn Island on the 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.960 same boat as Nolan Wells. And we have heard over 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.640 and over from parents and friends he would you run 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:17.080 with the one that got you there, right, So Nolan 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.479 went with one boat and they expected he would return 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.359 on the same boat. Yet we're now finding out that 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.879 was never the plan. He was never going back on 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:29.480 the same boat that took him to the island. So 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:32.760 when we talk about this group of friends, Nancy, they 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:36.159 were scattered on three or four different boats, and we 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:39.160 keep focusing on the one with the Bilch pump problem. 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:44.679