Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: A Nolan Wells bombshell report tonight? Does it reveal new witnesses?
Speaker 2: And because of the new timeline report, is there a
Speaker 2: timeline shift in what happened? The afternoon and evening Nolan
Speaker 2: Wells seemingly disappears, his body found washed up at Horn Island.
Speaker 2: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I
Speaker 2: want to thank you for being with us. What is
Speaker 2: in that autopsy now?
Speaker 3: I really want to see the other autopsy to see
Speaker 3: is there trauma to the body?
Speaker 4: Is there something that happened.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it.
Speaker 4: I have no doubt that what we're listening to you
Speaker 4: and what she did is credible.
Speaker 2: Not only has the timeline been analyzed by the Cajun Navy,
Speaker 2: the US Cajun Navy based on all sorts of statistical data,
Speaker 2: new photos are emerging. Take a look at this photo
Speaker 2: before we go to the Cajun Navy. Look at this
Speaker 2: Check out what you're seeing. Look at all the boats
Speaker 2: surrounding where Nolan was leave up. The photo out to
Speaker 2: Kaitlin Becker, Senior national correspondent, New York Post, Star of
Speaker 2: New York postcast of their new podcast Caitlin, what are
Speaker 2: we seeing?
Speaker 5: Well, what we're seeing here comes from this new report
Speaker 5: from the United Cadian Navy, and you're seeing several boats
Speaker 5: run together. This is one of the first images that
Speaker 5: we've seen of this certain configuration of boats there. They're
Speaker 5: all identified, one of which was the boat that Nolan
Speaker 5: came out there on. There are several others kind of
Speaker 5: anchored with it and tied up with big question of
Speaker 5: where was Nolan when this photo was taken, because it's
Speaker 5: unclear if he's actually in it, what time was this
Speaker 5: photo actually taken. So what you're seeing here is, as
Speaker 5: you said, a potential full of witness it.
Speaker 2: Hey, Caylen, look at this. There's boat number one, there's
Speaker 2: boat X, there's boat number two, there's boat number three,
Speaker 2: and there's a boat from which the photo is taken.
Speaker 2: Now look in the water there much has been made.
Speaker 2: Nolan Wells was drinking, okay, Well, apparently everybody was. They
Speaker 2: all have containers, open containers in the water. Okay, as
Speaker 2: far as I know, that's not a felony. Boat number
Speaker 2: one full of people, Boat X full of people, Boat
Speaker 2: number two full of people, Boat number three full of people.
Speaker 2: People on the boat from which the photo was taken.
Speaker 2: Some of these boats tied together there. You know what
Speaker 2: that means in my world, Kaitlin Becker joining us in
Speaker 2: the New York Post, let me see Kaitlin, please, that
Speaker 2: means witnesses. So when I look at that, I see witnesses.
Speaker 2: Other people say, hey, there's people having a good time.
Speaker 2: I see witnesses. Do you see all those people and
Speaker 2: a lot of you were they? Have they been spoken to?
Speaker 2: Have they been polygraphed?
Speaker 1: What can they tell me? That is a question.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: We don't know from an investigative standpoint, who has been
Speaker 5: spoken to exactly who is in this photo and what
Speaker 5: they have or haven't pulled.
Speaker 6: Law enforcement hasn't been really.
Speaker 5: Any parents there, but from what our reporting has showed,
Speaker 5: there have been dozens of people who have spoken to
Speaker 5: law enforcement as witnesses. But Nancy, we don't know if
Speaker 5: it's any of these people that you're seeing in this
Speaker 5: little cove area right here. And the timing I think
Speaker 5: is really important because these images are taken right around
Speaker 5: I think the timeline's about three thirty ish, four thirty
Speaker 5: ish when the boat that Nolan came out there on
Speaker 5: leaves and starts taking on water. That's one of the
Speaker 5: pegs for the timeline when these photos were actually taken.
Speaker 5: That is a peg for a timeline. But what we
Speaker 5: don't know is where Nolan is. There he is, you
Speaker 5: can see that image right there. But we don't know
Speaker 5: is where Nolan was when that first image that we
Speaker 5: saw with all of those boats kind of tied together
Speaker 5: when that was taken.
Speaker 2: You are seeing a photo obtained by our friends at
Speaker 2: the United Cajun Navy. And speaking of the United Cajun Navy.
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Brian Trasher, Vice President, United Cajun Navy.
Speaker 2: And for all of you attacking the United Cajun Navy,
Speaker 2: let's see that aerial footage they provided us. This is
Speaker 2: from the Cajun Navy describing their search, their aerial search,
Speaker 2: they spotted Nolan Wells's body. They have been integral in
Speaker 2: the search for Knowen Wells and helping elucidate the facts
Speaker 2: as we know them. Brace yourself, Trasher. Everybody else is
Speaker 2: getting death threats. You might as well join the party.
Speaker 2: To you, Brian Trasher, The United Cagian Navy has come
Speaker 2: up with a timeline. Now, did I hear Caitlin Becker
Speaker 2: from the New York Post correctly that that photo where
Speaker 2: the boats are named Boat one, Boat two, Boat three,
Speaker 2: and Boat X, is that from you guys the United
Speaker 2: Cagian Navy.
Speaker 6: First of all, I want to thank you for calling.
Speaker 6: Just report what it is and it's a timeline, and
Speaker 6: some people have called it an investigative report, and it's
Speaker 6: not accurate because, as you know, we're not investigators. And
Speaker 6: what we did, Nancy, was we asked our followers say, hey,
Speaker 6: if anybody was there that day, you have pictures, videos, whatever,
Speaker 6: send it to us, just so we can go through
Speaker 6: and see if there's anything relevant. We took all that
Speaker 6: information and compiled it in to a just one digestible
Speaker 6: report of things we thought were relevant and could be helpful.
Speaker 6: Maybe they're not. Maybe law enforcement has already seen all
Speaker 6: this and it's it's nothing new to them, but we
Speaker 6: just wanted to be transparent about what we received. So
Speaker 6: going back to your question, the pictures that we received,
Speaker 6: we did not as an organization take any of these photographs.
Speaker 6: These are all images that we received from people who
Speaker 6: are trying to help us out and trying to help
Speaker 6: no one's family out.
Speaker 2: So you asked the public for help, and you got it.
Speaker 2: You got a treasure trove of photos, and I find
Speaker 2: this was significant. Guys. We've got an all star panel,
Speaker 2: and I would like the all Star panel to look
Speaker 2: at their screens because I've talked about this before, Brian Trasher,
Speaker 2: and I'm frankly fed up with attacks on the United
Speaker 2: Occasion Navy. They're doing something, which is more than all
Speaker 2: of the haters can say. They're doing something. They have
Speaker 2: amassed evidence, they have created a timeline to the best
Speaker 2: of their ability. They have shared it with us, unlike
Speaker 2: the autopsy that is complete, it is being kept secret
Speaker 2: from us. That said, they're helping, why trash them? That's
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not a shrink. I can't answer that.
Speaker 2: Let's look at this photo and determine what, if anything,
Speaker 2: we can discern. Brian, you and I have talked many,
Speaker 2: many times, and I told you about a serial killer
Speaker 2: I finally convicted on one case. The jury convicted him,
Speaker 2: and I proved a lot because of one ear ring,
Speaker 2: one earring I found in a particular location. The victim
Speaker 2: was wearing an ear ring and the other earring had
Speaker 2: been sliced out of her ear and I found it
Speaker 2: somewhere else, and I learned a lot because of where
Speaker 2: it was. Now, don't even bother to tell me that
Speaker 2: this photo that you have produced is not probative of something.
Speaker 2: The cluster of boats number one. I see a lot
Speaker 2: of witnesses as sure, what do we know what time
Speaker 2: this photo was taken?
Speaker 6: We don't know definitively times on all these because even
Speaker 6: though there are time stamped, it could be a time
Speaker 6: when it was screenshotted stamped, not necessarily you know, the
Speaker 6: original photographs. So we were very careful to denote that
Speaker 6: in our report that we can't verify timelines, although based
Speaker 6: on you know, shadows and positions and things like that,
Speaker 6: we can determine that some of these as noted or
Speaker 6: taken in the late afternoon. One of the things I
Speaker 6: thought was interesting about some of these photos we got, Nancy,
Speaker 6: was that a lot of the photos we had seen
Speaker 6: before were people like in waste deep water, with some
Speaker 6: of the photos we provided show people up you know,
Speaker 6: water up to their chests almost to their neck, and
Speaker 6: that's not really waiting, that's that's treading water, in my opinion,
Speaker 6: and that I thought might have been significant to know
Speaker 6: that that many people were, you know, perhaps enjoying some libations,
Speaker 6: but also in water that might have been a little
Speaker 6: too deep just to be playing.
Speaker 2: And one good point, you know, you also said something
Speaker 2: else really smart, and I certainly do not want to
Speaker 2: rely on this, but sometimes you have to. You take
Speaker 2: the evidence as you find it, and you make the
Speaker 2: most of what you've got. You said you could tell
Speaker 2: this was late in the afternoon because of the shadowing.
Speaker 2: I wonder if the tide could tell me anything, because
Speaker 2: how high up the water is. But these people holding drinks,
Speaker 2: they're not treading water, trash er, they're standing there. These
Speaker 2: people are not treading water, and the water is up
Speaker 2: to their armpits. Is that the photo you're talking about
Speaker 2: as to where you think some of them are treading
Speaker 2: water or are there other photos.
Speaker 6: The photo at the top, Yes, you're right, it's about
Speaker 6: up to their armpit. I think there was one later
Speaker 6: in the report that showed some of the kids. This
Speaker 6: is where this is a screenshot of a social media post,
Speaker 6: and there's three boats visible, one fourth boat further in
Speaker 6: the distance, but a lot of kids on one but
Speaker 6: I young people on one boat, some on the boats,
Speaker 6: some in the water, and some of them it looks,
Speaker 6: you know, maybe up to the armpit, but some of them,
Speaker 6: depending on their own height, it looks like it's you know,
Speaker 6: I could see a girl holding something in her hand
Speaker 6: and the water looks to be pretty close to her neck,
Speaker 6: so that's pretty far out. I know. We've said several
Speaker 6: times that corn Island has a very aggressive slope, so
Speaker 6: you can be in shallow water in deep water within
Speaker 6: just a few steps, and once you get into that
Speaker 6: deep water, you're not as able to keep your feet
Speaker 6: on the ground if a current comes and pulls you,
Speaker 6: or God forbid, a riptide comes and drags you. So
Speaker 6: that's why we thought it was significant to know that
Speaker 6: they were socializing in fairly deep water.
Speaker 2: Isn't it true, Brian Trasher that these boats are easily
Speaker 2: identifiable by a I call it a tail number like
Speaker 2: you would applying. Every boat has to be registered or
Speaker 2: supposed to be registered, has a number on it and
Speaker 2: often has a name like Tryton. One was named mac Daddy.
Speaker 2: There were other names they're and you know who the
Speaker 2: owner is, and the owner can tell us who was
Speaker 2: on the boat that day. Is that correct?
Speaker 6: Theoretically? Yeah, if you can make out the if you
Speaker 6: can make out the registration number or the name of
Speaker 6: the boat, if the vessel's name is registered, you know,
Speaker 6: uh with along with the with the with the registration number.
Speaker 6: Usually that's sometimes only on a on a coastguard document,
Speaker 6: but sometimes on the state registration you can put the
Speaker 6: vehicle the boat name if it's asked for or if
Speaker 6: you have one. So that is all possible, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm told and we you know, we're asked to compare
Speaker 6: notes with the with the Sheriff's office, which we're doing.
Speaker 6: But I was told that there's been a lot of
Speaker 6: people that have been contacted and interviewed, and there's a
Speaker 6: lot of people who were there that day that voluntarily
Speaker 6: came forward to tell what they know, and because they
Speaker 6: might have seen their boats and pictures, say oh, you know,
Speaker 6: we might want to go ahead and call them and
Speaker 6: let them know, you know, where we were, who is
Speaker 6: with us, and what we know. So I commend those
Speaker 6: people for coming forward, because it's not always easy too.
Speaker 2: So Marie Pereira joining us, in addition to the vice
Speaker 2: president of the United Cajun Navy, who has been there
Speaker 2: from the get go trying to help solve the case,
Speaker 2: Marie Pereira registered nurse, which is important, but she is
Speaker 2: a criminal defense attorney and domestic violence expert. She is
Speaker 2: a violence expert, certified advocate. Marie, you saw that all
Speaker 2: those people in my book are witnesses. One of them
Speaker 2: is saying at seven point thirty, no one was nowhere
Speaker 2: to be seen. Now I want to see the video
Speaker 2: or the photo again, because you want to tell me
Speaker 2: that this guy, Nolan Wills, hit his head and drowned
Speaker 2: and none of those people saw what happened. I find
Speaker 2: that really hard to believe.
Speaker 4: It is hard to believe, and that's why it's extremely
Speaker 4: important that the law enforcement are not too proud to
Speaker 4: get help from the public. Like you said, if people
Speaker 4: are sending in videos, they should be using those videos
Speaker 4: to conduct further investigation. I'm praying that this is a
Speaker 4: situation like Brian Colberger, where the police department they were
Speaker 4: being ragged and being called ranky, dank police while all
Speaker 4: the time they were investigating and putting together a case
Speaker 4: against him. I hold them that, yeah, because all the
Speaker 4: time they were saying, oh what are they doing? It
Speaker 4: was a I think the DA had a long, big
Speaker 4: beard which wasn't very conducive to believing he knew what
Speaker 4: he was doing, but they knew.
Speaker 7: What they were doing.
Speaker 2: It looked like Leonard Skinner sitting there. That video is
Speaker 2: from Officer Tatum's podcast. All this means witnesses to me?
Speaker 2: And do you remember in the Diddy case there was
Speaker 2: actually a toll free number for victims to call. There
Speaker 2: were that many victims. Not that it helped at the trial,
Speaker 2: but that said, I think there needs to be a
Speaker 2: toll free number. If you think you have evidence, dial
Speaker 2: the numb. If you have photos, Like the United Cajun
Speaker 2: Navy is doing, they ask for the public's help. They
Speaker 2: got the public's help, and there's more to get. That's
Speaker 2: what is needed now. Every picture, every video. How often
Speaker 2: have cases been cracked when someone spots something in a
Speaker 2: picture they hadn't noticed before, or their memory is jogged
Speaker 2: by a photo or information they've seen online. I've pointed
Speaker 2: to this a million times. Brian Trasher, the Gabby Petito case,
Speaker 2: her body would never have been found if it weren't
Speaker 2: for amateur sluice. I believe their name is Red, Blue
Speaker 2: and Methane. They were a couple out in the middle
Speaker 2: of nowhere in dispersed camping where there are no porta potties,
Speaker 2: no lights, no hookups, no anything, is just you and
Speaker 2: the wild animals I've camped and dispersed before. They're out
Speaker 2: there and they see a vehicle and they go, uh,
Speaker 2: that's Gabby's for transit. And they call authorities who would
Speaker 2: never have gone to this dispersed camping area and they
Speaker 2: find her remains. That's how the case was cracked. Who
Speaker 2: knows what photo, what tip united a Cajun, Navy or
Speaker 2: law enforcement or the Nolan Wills team might get that
Speaker 2: might crack this case wide open. So that said, Brian,
Speaker 2: how did you create this time a lot? I find
Speaker 2: it very interesting.
Speaker 6: So first of all, you know, going back to your
Speaker 6: comment about Internet slue, there's a lot of people consider
Speaker 6: themselves internet slue. So some people really are good. And
Speaker 6: there's one young lady who's helped us out on many cases,
Speaker 6: who was very helpful in this case. I haven't asked
Speaker 6: her permission yet if I could say her name, but
Speaker 6: if she gives me permission and I'll come back on,
Speaker 6: I'll be happy to give her credit for all the
Speaker 6: help she gave us. But basically what we did was
Speaker 6: we took Like I said, we took these pictures. We
Speaker 6: juxtaposed them to you know, like Google Earth and satellite
Speaker 6: pictures of the island to try to determine exactly where
Speaker 6: they were. We looked at the initial coordinates called out
Speaker 6: from the h I think from the Coastguard or from
Speaker 6: Marine Patrol when the when the missing persons report first
Speaker 6: went out, and basically just just try to run these
Speaker 6: pictures against each other to say, Okay, this boat's here now,
Speaker 6: it's not here later, you know, and again just create
Speaker 6: an index. You know. We had to use some software
Speaker 6: to help us create the index of the pictures and
Speaker 6: make sure we put it into the best timeline we could.
Speaker 6: We included social media posts that you know, may or
Speaker 6: may not have been definitive, but these are This was
Speaker 6: happening in real time, so we thought it was important
Speaker 6: to put those up there to create context. And so
Speaker 6: again like just trying to you know, our goal was
Speaker 6: to take what we've received, put it into a digestible
Speaker 6: format that just about anybody could understand hopefully, and if
Speaker 6: it's helpful, great, If it's not, then I don't think
Speaker 6: no harm, no fault. You know.
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: To Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter based on this timeline,
Speaker 2: and it may be refined as the days go forward.
Speaker 2: How does it shift the timeline because there is a
Speaker 2: group of people fighting at five pm? Who are they?
Speaker 2: The friends say they leave at four point thirty one,
Speaker 2: that should be able to be verified through GPS five pm.
Speaker 2: No one, according to them is still at Horn Island?
Speaker 2: Is he? Because by seven point thirty witness states no
Speaker 2: one nowhere in sight? So where was he? He wasn't
Speaker 2: floating in the water, He wasn't on the shore. If
Speaker 2: he had hold on Dave to Joe Scott Morgan, if
Speaker 2: he had drowned, wouldn't he be floating in the water.
Speaker 8: Perhaps I've seen bodies in the immediate that will go
Speaker 8: directly to the bottom, and there are those that do
Speaker 8: in fact float. So a lot of it is going
Speaker 8: to depend upon the temperature of the water many times,
Speaker 8: a lot of it's going to depend upon is there
Speaker 8: anything else out there that could let's see, how can
Speaker 8: I put this that could in fact impede the body's
Speaker 8: ability to float to the top, like beneath a boat.
Speaker 8: And as you can see, there are a lot of
Speaker 8: boats out there, So if in fact that had occurred,
Speaker 8: you can actually have bodies that will be caught beneath
Speaker 8: other vessels or cases like that where they're you know,
Speaker 8: they were looking around for someone and they couldn't find
Speaker 8: them because the whole area was surrounded by vessels. And
Speaker 8: so there are a lot of elements that go into
Speaker 8: this an The.
Speaker 2: Photo we keep showing you is on page twelve the
Speaker 2: United Cajun Navy report. It chose three boats and more
Speaker 2: anchored side by side. Boat number three, the Palm Beach,
Speaker 2: and also the Triton we believe, which is the boat
Speaker 2: that took Nolan to Horn Island. It's also the boat
Speaker 2: that reportedly leaves according to the occupants without Nolan. They
Speaker 2: claim they begged him to board their vessel, but he
Speaker 2: said no. Let me understand this. According Caitlin Becker, according
Speaker 2: to the mysterious Katie not that mysterious because her sister
Speaker 2: has posted and we've obtained her photo. We think she
Speaker 2: says he left with his friends. They say he stayed
Speaker 2: with her. Okay, that's problem.
Speaker 5: Yep, that's a problem. And they're also quite a few
Speaker 5: friends that he had come out with. So the Traton
Speaker 5: that he was on. There were three or four people
Speaker 5: on that particular boat that's the one that he had
Speaker 5: come out on and the ones that hit the one
Speaker 5: that his friends say. We asked him to get back
Speaker 5: on the boat. He didn't get back on the boat.
Speaker 5: His phone was on the boat. We left, We took
Speaker 5: on water, we needed help. He said he was going
Speaker 5: to stay to talk to this mysterious, as you said, Katie. Mysterious.
Speaker 5: Katie says that she talked to him for a minute,
Speaker 5: it was no big deal. Then he his friends called
Speaker 5: him back and that's where he went, and she just
Speaker 5: assumed he went back on the boat with his friends.
Speaker 5: The issue I think that we're running into here is
Speaker 5: that the friends weren't just the four that you're seeing
Speaker 5: right here. There were multiple boats, three boats full of
Speaker 5: friends that came out. So could he have been going
Speaker 5: back to a second boat full of his friends while
Speaker 5: the triton was gone, or were they referring to the
Speaker 5: triton itself. That I think is where the biggest bit
Speaker 5: of confusion lays.
Speaker 2: Day Matt question. Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter, didn't
Speaker 2: at the get go the friends on the boat stay.
Speaker 2: They didn't know the name of the girl, they didn't
Speaker 2: know who she was, they had never seen her before.
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing. We can look up their exact words. Then
Speaker 2: does it turn out they're actually texting with her about
Speaker 2: where is Nolan?
Speaker 3: Apparently, Nancy, we've you have to realize a couple of
Speaker 3: things here, and it's getting lost in the muck.
Speaker 6: And the mire is the friends we used the.
Speaker 3: Term Nolan's friends that he went to Horn Island was well,
Speaker 3: you know what, Nancy. Many people have said that he
Speaker 3: didn't know Katie, they didn't know Katie before that day,
Speaker 3: and that Nolan just started talking to her. But now
Speaker 3: it appears that they being the group of friends where
Speaker 3: they were communicating with Katie and knew who she was
Speaker 3: and that during this So.
Speaker 2: Why would they say they didn't know who she was
Speaker 2: call her some girl? A girl?
Speaker 3: Well, here's the problem, Nancy, is I keep hearing friends,
Speaker 3: but you realize that Nolan he went out to Horn
Speaker 3: Island on a boat. You know, Warren Hudson has talked
Speaker 3: a lot. He's been with Officer Tatum talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: his best friend Nolan and the whole thing.
Speaker 6: But first of.
Speaker 3: All, Warren did not go to Horn Island on the
Speaker 3: same boat as Nolan Wells. And we have heard over
Speaker 3: and over from parents and friends he would you run
Speaker 3: with the one that got you there, right, So Nolan
Speaker 3: went with one boat and they expected he would return
Speaker 3: on the same boat. Yet we're now finding out that
Speaker 3: was never the plan. He was never going back on
Speaker 3: the same boat that took him to the island. So
Speaker 3: when we talk about this group of friends, Nancy, they
Speaker 3: were scattered on three or four different boats, and we
Speaker 3: keep focusing on the one with the Bilch pump problem.
Speaker 3: But now, what boat was Nolan Wells supposed to be
Speaker 3: going back to the mainland. We know he didn't ride
Speaker 3: with Warren Hudson to the island, so where was he
Speaker 3: supposed to be on.
Speaker 2: Brian Trasher joining US Vice President United Cajun Navy on
Speaker 2: the case from the very beginning, Brian, do we know
Speaker 2: the time of the sea tow call made from the Triton?
Speaker 6: We do. I don't know it off the top of
Speaker 6: my head, but I know it's been It's been reported,
Speaker 6: and obviously the Sea Toe would have the exact you know,
Speaker 6: time of that recording and stuff in their archives, and
Speaker 6: but it seems like it was, you know, after three o'clock,
Speaker 6: before four point thirty. And we know that the toe
Speaker 6: was canceled because somebody got in touch with mart Edmondson,
Speaker 6: who ended up towing the boat himself, being a good Samaritan.
Speaker 6: Of course, now that poor guy is getting you know,
Speaker 6: raked over the coals just for being a good you
Speaker 6: know what. What. We try to tell everybody to be neighbor,
Speaker 6: help and neighbor.
Speaker 2: Now, didn't the grandpa call and cancel the toe?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I think that I saw that report as well,
Speaker 6: and it may have been that somebody contacted him and said, hey,
Speaker 6: we got somebody to toe. So maybe he called because
Speaker 6: he had a better signal and said, hey, they don't
Speaker 6: need it anymore. Again, these are all kind of you know,
Speaker 6: the things that lay out there. I don't think we
Speaker 6: included too much about that in I report because it
Speaker 6: had been reported on so much. But I also just
Speaker 6: wanted to point out too on the photo on page fourteen,
Speaker 6: this is one that we included even though we could
Speaker 6: there's a there's a young man that matches Nolan's description,
Speaker 6: and I'm saying it that way because we can't verify
Speaker 6: that it's him in this picture, and he's partially in
Speaker 6: it because there's a girl blocking then. But it's a
Speaker 6: it's a young, slender African American male wearing blue swim
Speaker 6: trunks from what you could see in the in the picture.
Speaker 6: According to the person that submitted that photo, it was
Speaker 6: taken at approximately four fifty pm Central time on July fourth,
Speaker 6: which would have been after the GPS data says that
Speaker 6: they had Triton had left Horn Island. Now that's only
Speaker 6: relevant if this young man in the picture actually turns
Speaker 6: out to be Nolan. We never could verify it, but
Speaker 6: we thought it was important enough to at least include
Speaker 6: as a possibility.
Speaker 1: Crimes to with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: The photo that Brian Trasher from United Occasion Navy has
Speaker 2: provided on page fourteen of their new timeline report, We're
Speaker 2: blowing it up. We see one, two three at the forefront,
Speaker 2: three white females in bikinis, one white male walking along.
Speaker 2: Now beside the woman in the bikini on the right,
Speaker 2: I see two people. One looks like a female furthest
Speaker 2: a way. But between the white female and the other
Speaker 2: female there is an African American male that does not
Speaker 2: look like Nolan. Wills to me, Okay, I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to bring in NASA to enhance this. Brian Trasher. Does
Speaker 2: this guy have facial hair?
Speaker 6: That's not Nolan, it's I mean again, we couldn't verify,
Speaker 6: but we could tell that it was an African American
Speaker 6: male on the beach wearing blue swim trunks. We thought
Speaker 6: that was enough to say, Okay, it's possible.
Speaker 2: But we did those deep dark blue.
Speaker 6: It looks like it. But Nancy, I don't know if
Speaker 6: this pictures been enhanced. I don't know if it's been filtered.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. So again that that that's
Speaker 6: the whole reason why we couldn't corroborate. But it was like, okay,
Speaker 6: and and and also too, this does create a good
Speaker 6: picture of a flotilla of boats and where if we
Speaker 6: had we were looking for a particular one. You know,
Speaker 6: it was one a good one to hang on to.
Speaker 6: You so again, fully fully disclosing that we could not
Speaker 6: definitively say whether that was him or not.
Speaker 2: Probably not, but it's we needed for the investigation. We
Speaker 2: need it, and you provided it. Okay, So is this
Speaker 2: no one? If it is no one? This is at
Speaker 2: four fifty four five zero and props he's still on
Speaker 2: the island when the other boat, the Triton, leaves. I
Speaker 2: don't think this is no one, but that's just my
Speaker 2: own two eyes twenty eighteen. It needs to be enhanced.
Speaker 2: Joining us now veteran trial lawyer out of South Carolina jurisdiction,
Speaker 2: John Mobley, the founder of the John Mobley Law Firm.
Speaker 2: See a lot of people would say, oh, this is
Speaker 2: a nightmare. All these witnesses. I would have a field
Speaker 2: day interviewing each witness separately. It's like a bonanza. What
Speaker 2: do you make of what you're hearing? Mobley?
Speaker 7: Well, you know, Nancy, I gotta call it like I
Speaker 7: see it. I review the support in detail. I don't
Speaker 7: think it puts any points on the board. I don't
Speaker 7: think it moves the needle. If anything, I think it
Speaker 7: shows everyone that has opinions out there how difficult it
Speaker 7: is to find reliable information. Because one thing I want
Speaker 7: to say about the support, although I didn't find it
Speaker 7: particularly youthful, is that you know, it's sore all of
Speaker 7: its information, you know, And unlike a Netflix documentary where
Speaker 7: people will form opinions on second and third hand information,
Speaker 7: it would say this person said this, but this person
Speaker 7: didn't witness it firsthand. This person repeated what someone else
Speaker 7: said or it said. This person made this statement on Facebook.
Speaker 7: I mean even the digital information, the photos, those aren't
Speaker 7: reliable because number one, like they say, you know, you
Speaker 7: can't corroberate the time stamp. It could be the time
Speaker 7: stamp to when the photo was screenshot versus taken or
Speaker 7: even in the last one we looked at their saying,
Speaker 7: they can't say it was reliable because it could have
Speaker 7: been enhanced, you know, with the color manipulated. So I
Speaker 7: think it just goes to show how difficult it is
Speaker 7: to find any real reliable information on this case.
Speaker 2: Mobley, no offense, but you're wasting my time. I got
Speaker 2: one hour tonight and you just wasted almost one minute
Speaker 2: of it. Every investigation starts somewhere. Only just understand something.
Speaker 2: You have tried a lot of cases, right, That's.
Speaker 1: What I was told ton and I one most of them.
Speaker 2: Nothing like tooting your own horn ba bah. That said,
Speaker 2: every investigation starts someware. Yes, I don't have the timestamp,
Speaker 2: but I can get the timestamp because I know now
Speaker 2: I know about the photo. You start somewhere and then
Speaker 2: you start digging, and then you find out what time
Speaker 2: it was taken. Then you find out if it was enhanced.
Speaker 2: Then you find out is that no one at four
Speaker 2: fifty in the boat has left. You enhance that audio
Speaker 2: we keep playing, you find out if they're saying no one,
Speaker 2: no one's dead, no one's I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: real or not, but I can find out if it's real.
Speaker 2: So for you, a trial lawyer like yourself, in your
Speaker 2: own words one most of them. You know, evidence is
Speaker 2: not handed to you Mobley on a silver platter on
Speaker 2: top of Christmas tree. You have to find it. You
Speaker 2: have to investigate it. And that is the point of
Speaker 2: this timeline from the occasion Navy, they're giving us a plethora,
Speaker 2: a corner ucopia of evidence for us to start with.
Speaker 2: What don't waste another minute?
Speaker 1: Don't do it a rabbit hole.
Speaker 7: It takes you down a rabbit hole information that may
Speaker 7: not be reliable.
Speaker 3: The best thing to do with the who was paying you?
Speaker 2: Because it ain't me, We don't pay yes, rabbit hole,
Speaker 2: my rear end, objection, my rear end, a rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: That's like you get a list of witnesses and go, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't have their addresses.
Speaker 6: Screw it.
Speaker 2: You have to find them. You have to find the
Speaker 2: people that took these pictures. You have to find the
Speaker 2: people that were on those boats. After you idea the boats,
Speaker 2: then you have to take them one by one by
Speaker 2: one and interview you know what. I'm sending him to
Speaker 2: the corner and let him think about what you just said.
Speaker 2: Trash her. That's a tiny taste of what you're about
Speaker 2: to get. Hey, Caitlin Becker joining US senior national correspondent,
Speaker 2: New York Post, star of ny Postcast. That's her podcast. Caitlin,
Speaker 2: what do you make of the photos of the timeline
Speaker 2: created this far by the United caj Navy. Come on,
Speaker 2: it's something. We've got something. We're not getting anything from
Speaker 2: the government. We don't have the autopsy, we don't have
Speaker 2: any information nothing, They've gone radio silent.
Speaker 5: It's exceptionally exceptionally helpful to have these things laid out
Speaker 5: in this way, with coordinates and times and pulling in
Speaker 5: some of the relevant social media information. While also noting
Speaker 5: that it hasn't been verified, it's giving us, I think,
Speaker 5: the most comprehensive timeline that we could possibly have. I
Speaker 5: mean not to push back because I feel like you
Speaker 5: pushed back so much on that board man, But the
Speaker 5: rabbit hole is the Internet. The rabbit hole is reading
Speaker 5: every single person's theory. This is concrete information, and when
Speaker 5: it's not concrete, it says this hasn't been verified. This
Speaker 5: is at least giving me, from an investigative import as
Speaker 5: a journalist, somewhere to focus my efforts, to focus my search.
Speaker 5: The thing that stands out to me are all of
Speaker 5: the people, like you said, potential witnesses, but also how
Speaker 5: similar everyone is dressed. They're all in bathing suits, and
Speaker 5: all the boats look pretty similar to me too, So
Speaker 5: that to me indicates that someone who's saying I saw
Speaker 5: this person on this boat, I saw that person on
Speaker 5: that boat might not be super clear on that because
Speaker 5: as I'm looking at this image, everybody kind of looks
Speaker 5: the same. All the boats kind of look the same,
Speaker 5: which does muddy the waters even more and makes you
Speaker 5: talking to them.
Speaker 2: So I've got to work with you before I put
Speaker 2: you on the stand. Girl, ah knew you are not
Speaker 2: getting up there and saying they all look the same
Speaker 2: to me. No, we would get the name of the boats,
Speaker 2: we would find who was out on the boat that
Speaker 2: day from its owner, and I would ask them who's
Speaker 2: on the boat. I would not rely no offense on
Speaker 2: your boozy eye sight from thirty yards away. Okay, no offense.
Speaker 6: Cans Neither would I. Neither would I.
Speaker 2: But there are ways to contrary to what Mobley just
Speaker 2: blurt about, there are ways to find these witnesses and
Speaker 2: nail them down. If that photo is Nolan Wells and
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like Nolan to me, then he's on
Speaker 2: the island at seven pm. Okay. Now, let me remind
Speaker 2: everybody that the guys on the boat, the Triton, with
Speaker 2: no one, they're not charged with anything. They are presumed innocent,
Speaker 2: So don't be starting up the death threats and all
Speaker 2: that on them. We need them interviewed separately. If they
Speaker 2: hadn't already been, who knows what we can learn from them.
Speaker 2: Don't attack them. I want you to hear what one
Speaker 2: of them said though about the mysterious Katie.
Speaker 9: I didn't wake up again until a little after eleven o'clock,
Speaker 9: and that was to my brother coming in the room
Speaker 9: and being like, hey, we're trying to get ahold of you.
Speaker 9: Warren gets on the phone and he's just like, hey, man, uh,
Speaker 9: he was like, hey, have you talked to Nolan anything else?
Speaker 9: I was like, no, I haven't talked to him. Man,
Speaker 9: he was with that girl last time I knew. And
Speaker 9: he was like okay. He was like he was like, man,
Speaker 9: we can't get a hold of him. We don't know
Speaker 9: where he's at. I was like, man, it's Nolan. He's
Speaker 9: probably just out somewhere with that girl. Like, get ahold
Speaker 9: of the girl. You'll probably find Nolan.
Speaker 2: Okay, right there, I'm getting a red flag. That's from
Speaker 2: the Officer Tatum podcast. Who joined us recently? That girl,
Speaker 2: the mysterious Katie, Remember nobody who knew who she was?
Speaker 2: But then later Dave Matt do we learn that one
Speaker 2: of the guys on the boat had been texting with
Speaker 2: her and new full well who it was. Where did
Speaker 2: the name Katie come from?
Speaker 3: Katie was known to the at least one person in
Speaker 3: the group, and that leads you to believe there were
Speaker 3: certainly more. There were a number of comments publicly made
Speaker 3: by friends of Nolan that backtracking claiming they didn't know
Speaker 3: who Katie was, didn't had never seen her before, And
Speaker 3: then you find out, yeah, well not only did they
Speaker 3: know her, but they were texting around about her. So
Speaker 3: there's a lot of missing information here, Nancy. And it's
Speaker 3: why you said all along, why are these guys not
Speaker 3: on a polygraph?
Speaker 2: Marie?
Speaker 4: Just because we're having a lot of people coming up
Speaker 4: with a lot of different theories. I agree with Caitlin.
Speaker 4: Not every theory deserves the breath of air. It's not
Speaker 4: all true. I think it could confuse the search for
Speaker 4: justice when we're entertaining every single person who posts every
Speaker 4: single theory, even when it makes no sense. And I
Speaker 4: have to bring my friend out of probation and say
Speaker 4: that you can't you go according to.
Speaker 2: Every single piece of information you get.
Speaker 4: It has to make sense to warrant the investigators taking
Speaker 4: time to investigate. And the fact that they're not sharing
Speaker 4: with us it doesn't necessarily mean that they're not doing
Speaker 4: it all. There's no law that says they have to
Speaker 4: share everything they're finding out with the public.
Speaker 2: What you're seeing now is a post maade by Katie's sister.
Speaker 2: Katie had a convo, assumed no one was getting ready
Speaker 2: to get on the boat. He came out in Katie
Speaker 2: made a home on another boat. Katie assumed the friends
Speaker 2: telling him get on, get on, wouldn't have left without him. Okay,
Speaker 2: so he says, I'm going back with my friends. She
Speaker 2: thinks he got on the boat. The mystery girl Wells
Speaker 2: reportedly stayed behind to speak with has been identified now.
Speaker 2: At the get go, we were told no one knew
Speaker 2: who she was. He had never met her before. He
Speaker 2: had just met her and was talking to her. But
Speaker 2: her sister provides a different account of what happened. Whenever
Speaker 2: I see a conflict in the evidence, I have a problem.
Speaker 2: This is all unfolding as we go to air tonight.
Speaker 2: We wait for that toxicology report, We wait for the
Speaker 2: autopsy to be revealed, We wait for a witness list
Speaker 2: to be produced. At this hour reports a green jury
Speaker 2: is convening to amass evidence, much the way the Cajun
Speaker 2: Navy did. If you know or think you know anything
Speaker 2: regarding this case, dial two two eight seven sixty nine
Speaker 2: three zero six three two two eight seven six nine
Speaker 2: three zero six three. There's been a lot of questions
Speaker 2: regarding this number. That is the number for law enforcement.
Speaker 2: We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Bradley Link Link
Speaker 2: County Sheriff's Florida, just twenty eight gunned down in the
Speaker 2: line of duty, leaving behind a wife now widow, Brittany
Speaker 2: American hero Deputy Sheriff Bradley Link. Thank you to our guest,
Speaker 2: but especially to you for being with us tonight as
Speaker 2: we search for the truth. Aside from all the noise
Speaker 2: and the threats, the falsities, the enhancements, the alterations, the
Speaker 2: truth is there and we will find it. Nancy Gray
Speaker 2: signing off for tonight, but I'll see tomorrow night, and
Speaker 2: until then, good night.