1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, you're welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w. Chuck Bryan, there's Jerry 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: over there. This is Stuff you Should Know the podcast. 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Are you I'm good man good, I'm good. Great. Let 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: me search down in my soul. Yes, I'm doing pretty good. 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: How about you? Oh? Well, you know I'm tired. Yeah. Everyone, 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm back in my house after seven months of renovating. Yeah. 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: And uh, I had a probably a weeklong move easily. 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: And that's with hiring movers, right, you know, like they 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: move the furniture, but like movers can't move everything. No, 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: they really can't. I mean I guess they can. But 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: what's weird is the smaller and easier the thing is 14 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: to move, the less likely the mover is to move it. Maybe, 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: and I found myself wondering at one point, like how 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: do rich people move? I was like, they don't move 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: like this. They just go to a new house and 18 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: buy new stuff and leave the old. Maybe because I 19 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: thought when I hired a mover, I was like, oh, 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: I had the big time because I'm not asking friends 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: to help me. Move. But then I was like, rich 22 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 1: people still don't move like this. They're not packing things 23 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: and moving things and pickup truck times. No, No, they're not. Um, 24 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: they probably haven't ever even seen a pickup truck in 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: their life. Someone probably handles all of that. And it's 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: probably really really really expensive. I think it's less expensive 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: than you think. You may not have just been shown 28 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: the correct pamphlet is there where you have seen like 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: the next the next echelon up was where they pack 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: your stuff. I don't know that it's I think it 31 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: is definitely, I'm sure more expensive than than what you 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: paid to not have them do that. Yeah, but I 33 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: don't think it's like prohibitively expensive if you're already shelling 34 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: out that much money for you know what I mean. Yeah, 35 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: So the two things, uh, the two stereotypical movie things 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: have happened to me, which is towards the end of 37 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: the body sing up, when you're first all careful about 38 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: labeling and everything, and then at the end just shoving 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: things into boxes into like a garbage bag pretty much. 40 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: And then on the flip side, now that we're in 41 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: our house, it's that thing where you know, I have 42 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: the worst bo right now because I can't find my deodorant. 43 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: Jerry and I can attest to that, and I'm too 44 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: tired to go to the five minutes away to buy deodorant. 45 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: So I'm just like choosing to stink. Yeah, thank you 46 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: sure for making that choice, not just for yourself but 47 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: for me and Jerry too. Oh yeah, I'm too old 48 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: to be moving, man, I'm no more. Okay, So this 49 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: is the last time, huh. I told him, like, I'm 50 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: going to die in this house. This is the vow, 51 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: just hopefully not soon, or you could shell out for 52 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: the one where they actually pack your stuff up. The 53 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: rich guy, they just packed me up, send me out 54 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: to see the Viking funeral. Okay, that would be pretty cool. Yes, 55 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: so obviously what we're talking about today's dietary supplements. Yeah, 56 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: might as well, huh. Which, Um, I can't believe we've 57 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: never done this one. We have done one called does 58 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: the FDA protect Americans, which, after researching this, I'm guessing 59 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: we concluded no. Yeah. Maybe I do remember talking about 60 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: thelidamite in there, so I think we were like, yes, 61 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: in some instances they have protected people that they don't 62 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: so much anymore. Um. But I'm surprised we haven't done it, 63 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: especially with my dad having been the herbal elvis for 64 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: so many years on that now she's the herbal queen. Well, 65 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: she's not on anything, but she's she's not buying supplements, 66 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: she's growing plants and distilling her own plants. That's really cool. Yeah, 67 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: Like we have a big copper whatever it's called still. Yeah, yeah, 68 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: you have a still in your house. We have a 69 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: still that your wife puts unspecified plants into. Well, you know, 70 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: it's it's herb. She's growing them in the yard and 71 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: then putting them in the still and then we get 72 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: liquid out so so and then you guys are taking 73 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: it like the extract, like as a botanical supplement. Yeah. Yeah, 74 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: that is fantastic. Yeah it's cool. That is great. So 75 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: what kind of like if she she's going to the 76 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: trouble of like making sure the dirt that's growing in 77 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: is like amazing and all that. Yeah, okay, that's great. 78 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: I want a bottle of something. Yeah, I'll get me up, bro, 79 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: I'll get you bottle of something. Okay, I don't even 80 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 1: care what it is, all right, I'll take some chick weed. 81 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: I'll hold that under my tongue for thirty straight seconds. 82 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: So okay, so your hip you understand what a dietary 83 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: supplement is well on the herbal side, but I don't know, 84 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: Like I've never been good about vitamins and stuff like that. 85 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: I'll get on a thing where I'll be like, I'm 86 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: gonna start taking a multi vitamin and then you know, 87 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: there's six bottles of full multi vitamins familiar. Yeah. Yeah, 88 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: I've tried to start taking B twelve and D yeah. Yeah, 89 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: and I'm okay about it, but I forget frequently. It's 90 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: never like I don't feel like taking that, it's just 91 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: I forget. Well, you know what they say, spoiler alert, 92 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: They say, just eat good food. You don't have to 93 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: take this stuff. Yeah, food first is what that's called. 94 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: It's all in the food. So um. Most people chuck. 95 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: Do not actually go to the trouble of distilling their 96 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: own extracts, their own botanical extracts for dietary. Most people 97 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: buy it and then, like you said, forget about it. 98 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: But because so many people are buying it, whether they 99 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: forget about it or not, it's something like I've seen 100 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: anywhere between a four billion dollar industry and a forty 101 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: billion dollar industry in the United States and growing like fast. Yes, um, 102 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: which is that's a it's a pretty big spread actually, 103 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: but um, it's significant that there is a lot of 104 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: dietary supplements that are being taken, especially in American There's 105 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: this old um adage that Americans have the most expensive 106 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: urine in the world because a lot of people say 107 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't really doing anything. A lot of the pills 108 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: that you're taking are just passing through you and it's 109 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: harmless because you're not absorbing the stuff. Um or there 110 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: may not even be anything in there. You just paid 111 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of money for some some pills that don't 112 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: actually have what they supposedly have in it. And if 113 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: you think that, you know, that's hilarious and you laugh 114 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: for a little while, and then you stop laughing and 115 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: you go, well, wait a minute, why would that be 116 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: the case. It turns out the f d A actually 117 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: doesn't regulate dietary supplements. The entire four to forty billion 118 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: dollar industry basically exists on the honor system. Yeah, And 119 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: as it turns out, and we'll get to the specifics later, 120 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: there are things and actual plants that help absorb the 121 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: good parts of the plant that these supplements do not have, 122 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: so in some cases maybe it is just coming out 123 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: your pee. So when people think about dietary supplements, the 124 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: first thing you think of is vitamins. Yeah, or I 125 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: think of like, I have no idea why because I 126 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: don't ever have I have never done this. But I 127 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: think of like weightlifter guys that like makes shakes and things, 128 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: and then like like a pig extract of some sort 129 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: of like glant, I think, is it really yeah, And 130 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: I have no idea. That's why I um, some bodybuilding 131 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: supplements are are glandular extracts, which sometimes you couldn't end 132 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: up with like a bacteria or hepatitis or something like 133 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: that in your supplements, or a hoof growing out of 134 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: your back. And again because there's nobody watching the people 135 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: who are making this stuff. So anyway, back to vitamins, 136 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: it turns out, remember elect drew execution electrocution vitamins is 137 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: short for vital A means did you know that? Is 138 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: it really? Swear? And a meen is it's the type 139 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: of protein. I believe. What is vital? It means that 140 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: you really need it, it's important, and it was coin 141 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: it was coin back in nine by a Polish biochemist 142 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: named Kasmir Pulaski. I thought you're gonna say portmanteau, Kazmir 143 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: Funk what I'm not kidding. So so I'm about to 144 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: walk out of here. Get the back of the podcast 145 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: out the way. Just April bowls. Vitamin is short. It's 146 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: so hot in here. Vitamin is short for vital aimings, 147 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 1: a term that was coined by Polish biochemist Kazmir Funk 148 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: back in Alright, well, now Josh is leaving everyone. It's 149 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: because my smells glandular smells. Alright, So, uh, I did 150 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: not know that. I did not know that was a 151 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: portmanteau or is that more an abbreviation? Now it's a portmanteau. 152 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: It sounds like, yeah, isn't that a combination of words? 153 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: Believe that? I think so too. But people have been 154 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: doing this for many, many thousands of years. In fact, 155 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: some of the first inscriptions in Sumeria on clay tablet's 156 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: talked about herbs. This is nothing new, and that's why 157 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: it's very popular now because I think people are saying, hey, 158 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: they've been doing it for five thousand years. Humans have 159 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: been looking to plants to heal us. Yeah. I mean 160 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who kind of say, well, 161 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: wait a minute, we were using like botanicals, um, vitamins, 162 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: minerals long before medicine was a out. I'm kind of 163 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: suspicious of the medical establishment getting in between me and vitamins. Yeah, 164 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people are very suspicious of that. And 165 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons why the subli 166 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: dietary supplement industry is boomed is because a lot of 167 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: people are. It appeals to the average person the idea 168 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: of just taking something natural in your body healing as 169 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: a result. It feels good to treat yourself like that, 170 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and here in the States, um, what 171 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: do you say, You're on d in B twelve. Yeah, Well, 172 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: d IS is one of the most after the multi 173 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: vitem and the most popular of course, along with sea 174 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: and calcium. And then as far as the specialty supplements, 175 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: and this is a big one, Omega three fatty acids. 176 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: I see, I see those all over the place. Yeah, 177 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: like good fatty fish. Of course, this is the extract 178 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: of that. They squeeze them, squeeze that salmon out ringing 179 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: out of them, and then throw the shame and back 180 00:09:54,640 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: good shot of salmon juice. Uh. What else? Probiotics, um, 181 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: fiber of course that counts, you're right, which is kind 182 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: of surprised me, I guess, But dietary fiber. It makes sense. Basically, 183 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: anything that grows from the ground or that you can 184 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: get from animals is technically considered a dietary supplement. Very 185 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: necessarily a vitamin. There's vitamins, yeah, but like garlic and 186 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: genzing and things like that, they all fall into that banner, 187 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: but they are not vitamins themselves. And like garlic and 188 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: genzing plants, those would be considered phyto medicines or botanicals. 189 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: And then you've got minerals like iron, zinc, stuff like that, 190 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: all of them, if you really want to put them 191 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: all under a banner, whether it's a dietary supplement or not. 192 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: Those are considered micronutrients because you need very small amounts 193 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: of them for your body to function, as opposed to 194 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: macronutrients like fats, carbohydrates, and proteins pizza, which you needed 195 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: a lot of, right Uh. And some of the confusion 196 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: comes in with the fact that there are uh many 197 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: studies on both sides that say completely kind tradictory things 198 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: about very specific vitamins, So, uh, it can be tough 199 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: for a consumer just sort of weed through all that 200 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: and know what the heck is going on, especially because 201 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: of the lack of regulation, which I guess we might 202 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: as well go ahead and talk about what happened in Huh. Yeah, 203 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: where were you? How was in Athens? Are you there yet? 204 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: I was probably hanging out in Athens on my way 205 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: up there. I wasn't there quite yet. You're in? Uh? 206 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: What was that town between? Yeah? I was in winder Yeah, everybody, 207 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: there's a town between Athens and Atlanta called Between. Oh 208 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: is it really? Yeah? I didn't know that. Yeah, And 209 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: it's called that because it's between Athens and Atlanta. It's 210 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: a big claim that in being a speed trap. Um, 211 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: don't speed through Between. I've never heard that before, although 212 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: half of the town calls it Betwixt. Really don't. I'm 213 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: just kidding. Um, Well, you got our cane with that joke, 214 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: I know. So in n a big change happen in Uh. 215 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: In Congress they passed what's called the Dietary Supplement, Health 216 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: an Education Act. And previous to this, there were there 217 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: was a lot of tightly controlled regulation by the f 218 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: d A and all of that change in UM And 219 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: was this because of like just some sort of general 220 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: de regulation up with consumers and push It wasn't. No. 221 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: What happened was Senator or In Hatch of Utah, which 222 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: was home to a lot of supplement producers Hatch and 223 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: hence a lot of supplement producing donors. Um Or in 224 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: Hatch saw this thing through said no, we need to 225 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: open up the supplement regulation or supplement industry in the 226 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: best way to do that is to remove regulations on it. 227 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: So it was a big de regulation push, but specifically 228 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: to the supplement industry because of one Senor. Oh no, no, no, 229 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: I get that, but I just meant sort of that 230 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: typical like, hey, let's just let people run wild and 231 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: make money, right, Yes, yeah, exactly. And it was because 232 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: of ore In Hatch got you, and technically Tom Harkin 233 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: did too. He's from Iowa and one of his biggest 234 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: donors was herbal Life. So the two kind of joined 235 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: together and got this historically bad bill pushed through. But 236 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: remember this is the converse. Sorry, everybody realizes like nanny 237 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: state UM trigger for some people, But this is the 238 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: same congress or virtually the same Congress that prohibited the 239 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: CDC from studying gun violence. Like this is the kind 240 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: of mentality that was going on at the time. Uh. 241 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: So what happened during that um uh the passing of 242 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: that act as they kind of set up some agreements 243 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: which was uh, looser regulation for sure. UM. But if 244 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: you make some of these supplements, uh, you cannot make 245 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: claims like hey, this will help cure a disease. You 246 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: can't make like medical claims like that. You also have 247 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: to be very specific with your labeling. UM had to 248 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: be labeled a dietary supplement. Uh. And you can make 249 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: a claim that, hey, it could have the positive effect 250 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: on your body, but you can't say it like cures anything. 251 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: And then you also had to tag it with the 252 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: statement has not been evaluated by the f d A. 253 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or 254 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: prevent any disease. Right. So that was that was the 255 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: big trade off was that they were but in it 256 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: almost sounds like they're saying, well, okay, they can't claim 257 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: to be drugs. But there's also some semantic trickery there 258 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: because if they're not claiming to be drugs, the FDA 259 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: can't regulate them like drugs, right, So basically, Congress, it 260 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: is what Congress says it is. It's not a drug, 261 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: so it's not a drug as far as as the 262 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: United States goes so UM in doing this, they basically said, 263 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: f d A, you can't regulate this stuff anymore. Everything 264 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: that you've used to UM to get pharmaceuticals that out 265 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: to market that have been proven safe and effective, we're 266 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: going to do the opposite. These things are pres innocent 267 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: until they start hurting people, and then you can intervene. 268 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: And then even when they intervene, there there go to UM. 269 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: Technique for a a dietary supplement that was proving harmful 270 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: was to send a lighter to the producer saying maybe 271 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: you should recall this, and the producer could either say sure, 272 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: let's do that, or here's the finger. F d A, 273 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: you have zero power over me whatsoever. Let me look 274 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: at my ledger sheet and see if I want to 275 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: shut down my company, right pretty much while I'm on 276 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: my yacht. Yeah, and I found a study from UH 277 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: I think this past year that found something like seven 278 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: hundred and forty six recalled UM or adulterated UM dietary 279 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: supplements in the US. Right, So these seven So this 280 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: means that they have been found to have anything from UM, 281 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: actual prescription drugs in them that aren't on the label UM, 282 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: or other things that aren't on the label like fillers, UM, 283 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: things that people might be allergic to. Uh, it might 284 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: have some sort of chemical in it that's not supposed 285 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: to be there, who knows, but they're very little of 286 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: what it says it has in there. Right, that's a 287 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: different kind of adulterated. These are pharmaceutically adulterated UM. They 288 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: they found seven hundred and forty six of them had 289 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: been flagged as adulterated, only three hundred and sixty had 290 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: been recalled. The other ones were just left on the 291 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: market because the company said, no, we're not going to 292 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: do that, We're gonna keep selling them. And this this 293 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: Journal of the American Medical Association study found even further 294 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: that UM, the I think of the three hundred and sixties, 295 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: something like ten or eleven percent we're still on the 296 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: market even after being recalled. So that's kind of the 297 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: state of affairs with dietary supplements, which everybody takes. Should 298 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: we take a break, I think we should. I think 299 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: we've just lost about a third of our listeners, the 300 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: conservative ones. All right, I'll go find my deodorant and 301 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Okay, so we're back, 302 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: and I'm totally calm. I still smell, and people are 303 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: still selling supplements that are tainted and otherwise misleading regularly. 304 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: That's where we are. So. Uh. The FDA, for their 305 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: part um, supposedly has established some manufacturing practices, but again 306 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: it's I guess just voluntary whether or not you adhere 307 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: to these, um. But there are you know, I guess 308 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: there's a page somewhere on their website. There are letters 309 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: that go out to say, here's what you might want 310 00:17:55,400 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, it's like manufacturing good guidelines basically good 311 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: practices for manufacturer. Uh. And there are independent organizations that 312 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 1: do test things. Um. A couple of them are one 313 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: called Consumer Lab dot com um in s f H 314 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: not in SFW be weird, it's like in SF International. 315 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: And then one called and this. I mean, I'm sure 316 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: this is great, but it just sounds so like something 317 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: from a movie U S. Farma Copia, Right, it sounds 318 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: like something like a future company from a movie exactly. 319 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: That does not do what they say they do. But 320 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: those three I mean, like they're they exist because they're 321 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: fulfilling the role that the government should. Yeah, or I mean, 322 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: I guess if you believe in government oversight, the government 323 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: should in a way. The fact that those businesses that 324 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: make money off of this exists, it's it's an example 325 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: of the invisible hand at work, you know, Like there 326 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: was a need that came along, which is people need 327 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: to know that what they're buying actually has a stuff 328 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: and that it's safe. And these companies that make money 329 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: off of it came along and fulfilled this need. That's 330 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: what an orange Hatch might say, like, look, not not 331 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: only are they booming, but we've created all these other 332 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: companies that we do what we used to do. Right. 333 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: But from what I understand, uh US Pharmacopeia there, they 334 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: have a really good website I believe, where they basically 335 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: say this has been um tested, is pure, It has 336 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: what it's supposed to have in it, in the amounts 337 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: it's supposed to have in it, It doesn't have any 338 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: extra stuff in it. You guys can buy this and 339 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: they put a label on the bottles, so for sure, 340 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: look for that if this is something you're already do 341 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: you're interested in trying out? Like, definitely do some research. 342 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: This is not the kind of uh hobby you want 343 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: to just wait into by walking into a store and 344 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: going this sounds great, right. A lot of people do 345 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: that though for this stuff. And then bear in mind also, 346 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: I don't know about us pharmacopeia, but I know that 347 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: Consumer Labs goes to stores and gets their samples that 348 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: they test, and they would say, hey, just send us 349 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: some stuff, send us your absolutely purest batch for us 350 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: to test and give you a sealon. They actually go 351 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: to stores and so their their ratings and reviews are 352 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: based on tests that they've done independently, right, not the 353 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: stuff they sweep off the floor and put in capsules. 354 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: You know, that was supposedly what When I worked at 355 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: Golden Pantry in college, they had the and you probably 356 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: know this as a former smoker, but the really really 357 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: really cheap cigarettes. I've heard that before and they always 358 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: told us that that's just like literally stuff they sweep 359 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: off the factory floor at like Winston Salem or whatever, 360 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: Camel or whoever makes the cigarettes. That seems like one 361 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: of those urban legends that I think probably true. You know, 362 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: what I mean. I think, yeah, like not all urban 363 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: legends are wrong. That sounds totally true because it's like, 364 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: why are they so cheap? Um basics? Remember those I 365 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: don't remember basics, but I sold a lot of bucks. 366 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: They had a big they had a big deer on 367 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: the front of it, like a big deer buck, and 368 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: they were I mean, this is when cigarettes were I 369 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: don't know, let's say two dollars, and these were like 370 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: seventy five cents a pack or something. Um, how much 371 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: our cigarets now? They're super expensive, aren't they. I think 372 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: they're anywhere between five and twelve dollars, depending on where 373 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: you are, something like I know New York has like, 374 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: like they had twelve dollars packs of cigarettes. Five You 375 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: can't believe people will pay that much money for a 376 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: pack of cigarettes. Um, alright, so that's why we need 377 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: government to prevent us from smoking cigarette. Uh So, regardless 378 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: of the fact that let's say you find a supplement 379 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: it's got the seal of approval, um, you still should like, 380 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: do some research, talk to your doctor. It doesn't mean 381 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: everyone everyone's body is not the same. You shouldn't just 382 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: be downing supplements because you think Oh well, this sounds 383 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: like it's good for me. Everybody needs to ferent things. Um, 384 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: there is a list here of supplements that are more 385 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: likely or most likely to be safe for you and 386 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 1: might be effective. Yeah, based on based on overall science 387 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: and research and studies that have been done on these things. Yeah, 388 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: so we'll just tick through those. Uh, Calcium, cranberry fish oil, 389 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: glucosamine sulfate, which I give my dogs, um black taste, lactobeasilicus. 390 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: That's the probiotic, right, Uh, cilium. How do you pronounce that? 391 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: Pi gum Gyeah? I think that's right, Pi gum Good 392 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: old Sammy, that's uh s adena, sil l methyen. Yeah. St. 393 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: John's worth. And then vitamin D, which, by the way, 394 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: get this about vitamin D. So if you're a vegan, 395 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: very frequently people are like, you should take some extra 396 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: dietary supplements. Um, They're like, I take vitamin v The 397 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: problem is is not all supplements are vegan, right, especially 398 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: vitamin D. The reason vitamin D is very rarely vegan. 399 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: This is where most vitamin un Listen specifically says vegan 400 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: vitamin D. It is extracted lannelin from lamb's wool. That 401 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: is sent What did you think it was gonna be? 402 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, you gotta pay extra for the testicle. UM. 403 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: So they extract landelin from Lamb's wool, send it to 404 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: China where it's exposed to UV light, to mimic sunlight, 405 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: because that's where we get a lot of our vitamin 406 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: D is exposure to sunlight and UM. Then it's put 407 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: into pills and there you go. So if you're a vegan, 408 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: you you wouldn't want to eat an animal product lanneling. 409 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: You really have to look out for that kind of thing. 410 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: And also one more thing about vegans and vitamins. One 411 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: of the big, um, the big controversies that that proved 412 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: to some people that you're not supposed to be a 413 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: vegan is that we need B twelve quite badly. We 414 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: need it for UM, I believe bone health. I can't 415 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: quite I can't keep up by seeing so many like 416 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: different things that vitamins over the last a couple of days. 417 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: But we need B twelve. How about that, um B 418 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: twelve is only gained as far as we know, from 419 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: animal sources. If so facto we need to eat animals 420 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: to get B twelve, and the way animals get B twelve? 421 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: Is the gut bacteria in their guts produced B twelve 422 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: and then we eat the animals that have the beach 423 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: well built up in their their tissues. Right, So that's 424 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: how people we meet don't don't have B twelve deficiencies. 425 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: But vegans say, where are the animals at cows getting 426 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: that B twelve from their bacteria? Where's the bacteria coming from? 427 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 1: They say it's from the soil. So there's this big controversy. 428 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: Is the B twelve producing bacteria actually in the soil 429 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: and if so, are the factory farming methods like washing 430 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: produce that we use actually washing off the B twelve 431 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: that you would get in enough of it as a vegan. Yeah, 432 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: man's fascinating. Waiting into these waters is so perilous. We've 433 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: got to do um a plant based diet episode sometime. Yeah, 434 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: you know, uh, who is it? Coach Seattle Seahawks coach 435 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, one of the older coaches in the NFL, 436 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: but one of the more vital old guys. He switched 437 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: his diet to completely plant based, like raw foods diet, 438 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: I think within the past couple of years. Yeah, he 439 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: dropped it on the spot um No, he said. It's 440 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: just and you know, he's not the only one person 441 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: obviously in the news talking about this stuff. But I 442 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: just read something recently where he was just like, you 443 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: would not believe the change in my life and body. 444 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I imagine if you just 445 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: eat raw vegetables, that would be a great thing for 446 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: your body. We'll find out. And I'm not saying that 447 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: with a sneer. It's just that would be hard for me. 448 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you know it's probably something I should do. 449 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: I should just eat raw batched for the rest of 450 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: my life, you know, Chuck, I don't know that it's 451 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: healthy to deal in should uh So there are also 452 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: UM some supplements that uh they say should be avoided 453 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: because there are links to its side effects. They can 454 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: be pretty serious. Yeah, that list you just read like 455 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: a half hour ago about UM ones that are probably 456 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: okay for you and probably actually are beneficial. They came 457 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: up with the opposite list of that too, That's right. 458 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: I just well, I mean it was the same like study, Yeah, 459 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: that came up with double edged bitter bitter oranges one, 460 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: and that one can be especially problematic because from what 461 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: I read that that can just sort of ramp up 462 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 1: your sort of like speed in some ways. Yeah, especially 463 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: when you mix it with caffeine or speed or like meth. Yeah, 464 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: you're like, wow, this meth has given me a real 465 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: nutritional deficiency. I should probably start taking vitamins. That's what 466 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: most most methadics too. Well. Bitter orange though, something people 467 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: do who use to lose weight. Um, And it can 468 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: lead to a heart attack and stroke if you take 469 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: enough of it. And usually and we'll talk about this more, 470 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: but this stuff combining with other things is kind of 471 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: where you can get into problems. I saw a lady 472 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: one time at a restaurant where I was working, pass 473 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: out on the middle of the floor. And it's because 474 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: she had just we learned from her friends after the 475 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: ambulance came. She had just come off of a week 476 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: long like I'm doing nothing but eating uh cayenne pepper 477 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: and lemonade. But no, but just like water and vitamins 478 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: or something. And then to celebrate the end of the week, 479 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: she was like drinking and eating steaks and she just 480 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: hit the deck. That's how it's done. That's a real 481 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: problem refeeding. Um, We're gonna do an episode once on 482 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: this man who who didn't eat for a year, and 483 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: we're going to do that. Yeah, and they they were 484 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: smart enough to figure out that, like he couldn't just 485 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: start eating it just slowly like work food back in. 486 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: But you can die from that after a long yeah fast, 487 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: if you don't refeed go through the process correctly, you 488 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: can just drop dead, like you have a heart attack 489 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: basically from eating food. Yeah. This lady was fine, or 490 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm assuming she was fine, because as they were wheeling 491 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: her out, she did the thing that all pro athletes do. 492 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: She just gave the thumbs up. She's all right, everybody, 493 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: She's okay. Uh So what else is on their chaparral? 494 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: Colloidal silver? That's a big one. Blue. Wh wasn't it 495 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: a senator or somebody? Timing guy with a beard? The 496 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: blue man? I think there was a congressman or senator 497 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: that turned blue. It's like permanent, is it? Yes? I 498 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: saw that. It tends to be permanent. Boy. Yeah, once 499 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: you turn blue, you don't go back, is the old thing. 500 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: Um Colt's foot, which I had never heard of before, 501 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: supposedly good for asthma, also linked to liver damage and cancer. 502 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: Geranium country mallow that has a Federan in it. Yeah, 503 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: city Mellow is great country Mellow no good. Uma, it 504 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: was so dumb uh. And what else you know? Himbay, 505 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: which is frequently used for erectile dysfunction, but unfortunately it's 506 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: an m A O I, which means that if you 507 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: drink like orange juice on this thing, you can drop dead. 508 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: Um that this list is as obviously it's not comprehensive. 509 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: And also I want to just say one more thing 510 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: real quick. So I am not attacking supplements. I take 511 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: supplements myself, and the idea that of taking something even synthesized, 512 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: but that's based on scientific investigation in the nature of 513 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: nutrition and all that. I find that endlessly appealing. I 514 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: love that and anything that can help you be a 515 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: healthier person. I'm in favor of. Um. So I don't 516 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to give the impression that I'm just 517 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: like gleefully shooting holes in the idea of people taking 518 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: supplements because I take them less. I don't think that's 519 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: coming across that way. Okay, good, you seem like you're 520 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: in a good mood. It's all because I gleefully shoot 521 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: holes in a lot of stuff. I'm just not doing 522 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: this now. Um, So here's the thing too, which this 523 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: article points out. These are having a good listen to 524 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: bad list is all well and good and it can 525 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: be helpful if you don't know what's going on. What's 526 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: going on? You know, and you're like, want to you 527 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: want to start at like zero and learn a couple 528 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 1: of things. A list like that is good, but it's again, Um, 529 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: you have to know your body and talk to your 530 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: doctor about stuff and like what other medications are you 531 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: taking and what's your end goal? Yes, so you want 532 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: a doctor who is not opposed to supplements and who's 533 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: knowledgeable with supplements, because any good doctor worth their salt, 534 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: especially one that came around post nineties, should be all 535 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: about supplements and should know what supplements work, what to 536 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: recommend to you to also know what what you're on 537 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: and what you can't have, what interacts poorly. Yeah, I 538 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: think finding that doctor in the middle ground, though it 539 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: can be tough these days, um, because on one end 540 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: of the spectrum you have uh what Emily calls the 541 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: hokey pokeys, which are like, oh no, no, don't take 542 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: any pharma suit cold medicines ever, only take these plant things. 543 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: And then at the other end, you have doctors that 544 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: are like I believe in science, so only take prescription drugs, 545 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: don't mess around with any plant based in because you're 546 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: just gonna pay it out. And I find that it's 547 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: hard to find someone in between, right. I think. Also, 548 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: even if you do find one that is in between 549 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: in spirit, they might not have all the information because 550 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, you you touched on it earlier. There is 551 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: um a lot of conflicting and competing studies like this. Uh, 552 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: this article from how Stuff Works says that UM back 553 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: in two thousand thirteen, after years of being told that 554 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: they should take vitamin D and calcium for bone health, 555 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: that postmenopausal women were told stop taking those things. Not 556 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: only do they not help you, but the the additional 557 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: calcium may lead to everything from a heart attack to 558 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 1: kidney stones because kidney stones are typically made of calcium deposits. Right. Um. 559 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: And then another study I think came out that same 560 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: miror and said, no, no, keep taking those things. Not 561 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: only do they help you, they probably actually don't UM 562 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: produce kidney stones. And you know that, like if you 563 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: go on to like CNN or NBC or Fox News 564 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: or whatever in their websites, they have both articles screaming 565 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: both headlines the opposite. Nobody ever goes and follows up right, um, 566 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: and everybody's kind of shouts whatever the new studies finding. 567 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: So it's really confusing even if you're trying to pay 568 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: attention to this. And if you dig into trustworthy sites 569 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: like say an FDA site or the National Institutes of 570 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: Health site or something like that, there's plenty of links, 571 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: but they say a very minimal amount because there's so little, 572 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: um substantial science that conclusively says this, this actually helps 573 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: or this doesn't help. And that's the thing too, there's 574 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: there's nothing, there's very few things that say this does 575 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: not help. You are totally wasting your money totally, So 576 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: they can't really say one way or the other. It's 577 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: all just really middle ground right now. So we actually 578 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: need science more than ever to really um study this stuff. 579 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: But I mean it is they are studying. If they're 580 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: just coming up with different results, somebody just needs to 581 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: God needs to come down and be like this and 582 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: just point out the Bible. Yeah, vitamin church like playing 583 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: the answers are within. Didn't ned say vitamin church and 584 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: a healthy does vitamin church? That's great? Uh, One thing 585 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: we do know is that and this is across the board. 586 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: Everything I researched said this. If you see anything that 587 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: says this is totally safe, this has no side effects. 588 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: This will give you an erection for sure, This will 589 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: make you lose weight, like those are the big or 590 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, is it gonna transfer all your weight to 591 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: your erection or gentleman like when you know, would you 592 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: like to last long younger? Like anything related to sexual 593 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: performance and like weight loss is just super hanky. Well, 594 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: it's not only that the claims are frequently hinky. A 595 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: lot of times the claims are correct, like it like 596 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: this this crazy like um botanical for a rectile dysfunction 597 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: works really well, but don'dren corns juice. No, it's because 598 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: they they use viagra like they're One of the One 599 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: of the ways that bodybuilding, weight loss and sexual enhancement 600 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: supplements become adult treated is they have actual pharmaceutical drugs 601 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: in them that aren't on the label. Some companies have 602 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: figured out that the FDA is totally powerless and a 603 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: really good way to sell cheap pharmaceuticals generic pharmaceuticals two 604 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: Americans is to put it in a supplement, not put 605 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: it on the label and go basically around the FDA 606 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: by going through these So are these uh sold by 607 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: the actual pharmaceutical companies under a sort of like a 608 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: sub business title and I think it's largely fly by 609 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: night companies. Well, and do they partner with them or 610 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: do they just buy a ton of viagraha, now they 611 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: know a guy in China who can get pounds of 612 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: like cheap generic viagraph or um Prozac is another one 613 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: that pops up, especially in weight loss um steroids, um. 614 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 1: Some some drugs that like we're up for FDA approval 615 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: as pharmaceuticals and the FDA said not too dangerous. They 616 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: turn up in in dietary supplements, and like it's one 617 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: thing to waste your money and just pe out expensive urine. 618 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: It's an entirely different thing to take prescription drugs unknowingly 619 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: and without any sort of medical supervision, because the the 620 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: government agency that's supposed to be keeping an eye on 621 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: this stuff is expressly forbade from doing that. Yeah, they're 622 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: also you need to like when we were talking about 623 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: the high FRUC dose corn syrup, the fact that that's 624 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 1: in everything, you don't even know it, and sort of 625 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: the same thing here, Like you're the foods you're already 626 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: eating maybe good enough if you know, chances are if 627 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: you're eating really good like whole foods and things like that, 628 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: you're probably not diving headlong into the supplement thing. But 629 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: if you're already getting like a ton of vitamin D 630 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: in various foods that you don't even realize, and then 631 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: you take it on top of that, or god forbid, 632 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: if you think I'll just quit taking my medication because 633 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: I think this will help, Like, none of that is 634 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: a good idea. And then we should probably just talk 635 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: about the FEDRA really quick, because that was a very 636 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: big deal. Um buying a gas stations, Yeah, and it was. 637 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: It was marketed as a weight loss thing, and I'm 638 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: sure it probably worked in that capacity. Gives you a 639 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: real good buzz it said on the package, didn't really 640 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: probably there are probably some it said in like a 641 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: bolt of lightning or something. Well, fifteen deaths were attributed 642 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: to it by and then I do remember in two 643 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: thousand four, uh, the FDA finally banned it. Um And 644 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily because of this, but a very high 645 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: profile death in Major League Baseball happened. Do you remember 646 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: who was Yeah, he was a picture I think is 647 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 1: Steve Steve Beckler, I think, and he died I think 648 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: during spring training, if I'm not mistaken. And they linked 649 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: it to a feder and they finally were like, maybe 650 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: we should step in and do something here because America's 651 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: past time is at stake. It would be like if 652 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: an apple pie just dropped dead from a feder get 653 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: rid of the apples. Oh no, no, sorry, the other 654 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: way around. Uh So let's take our second break, Chuck, Yes, 655 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: and then we'll come back and talk some more food. Okay, Yeah, 656 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: let's do Okay, hey, Chuck, Hi, before so we're back, Yes, 657 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 1: before we talk about food, let's go further back hundreds 658 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 1: of millions of years. Okay. Yeah, it's a big surprise. 659 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: So we're not even the wayback machine. We can just teleport. Yes, mentally, 660 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 1: we become intradimensional beings. So, um, we have figured out 661 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: that vitamins were around in like the early Earth. I 662 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: don't know if we said originally we I think we 663 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: said your body needs these things are micronutrients, but your 664 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 1: body needs them for all sorts of things. They help 665 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: in like all manner of chemical processes from like um 666 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: helping your cells divide to your bones to grow like 667 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: really important stuff, which is why we need them. And 668 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: your body makes some vitamins, but um, we have to 669 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 1: get them from outside sources. A lot thirteen vitamins are 670 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: essential to humans and what we need other animals don't 671 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: necessarily need, Like dogs don't need vitamin C because their 672 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: bodies produced enough. We our bodies don't produce enough, so 673 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: we need vitamin C from other sources. Um. But what 674 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: they figured out is that in the ancient Earth, bacteria 675 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: and other life made vitamins on their own, and then 676 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: over time, as we evolved into higher and higher forms, 677 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: we apparently lost a lot of that ability, not all 678 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: of it, because we can still make some, but um 679 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: to the point where we need to get it from 680 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: other sources. So more sophisticated animals started eating more primitive 681 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: animals to get that source of vitamin right. And that's 682 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: where the whole process began, where we started to evolve 683 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: coevolve with other life on Earth, and we our bodies realized, well, 684 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: we can get this vitamin from this plant, or we 685 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: can get this vitamin from this animal, and that's how 686 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: this kind of food web developed was basically for a 687 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: reliance on vitamins and other things like fats and proteins 688 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: and other nutrients. But this nutrient exchange that that is 689 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: when one life started to eat other life. And that's 690 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: kind of where vitamins came from. And it wasn't into 691 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: the beginning of the twentieth century that we figured out 692 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: how to synthesize vitamins. Yeah, that was a game changer. 693 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: And like the twenties and thirties, UM, and that thing 694 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: you sent about cereal is just mind blowing. Yes. Yes, 695 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: So so if you keep going, we we are. The 696 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: fact that we synthesized vitamins allowed the process food UM 697 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: industry to boom. Yeah, because it's like here, now we 698 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: can put things back into food that we synthesized. And 699 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: in the case of cereal, like what I was saying, 700 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: there are some vitamins that are sprayed on to the 701 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: end product. Yeah, so if you see something that says 702 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: fortified or enriched, sure that's what that means. That means 703 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,280 Speaker 1: that they dump some vitamins into the dough or sprayed 704 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 1: it on the outside of your corn flax or something. 705 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: And that just spraying cereal with like give me a 706 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: can of vitamin D and just spray it on. Well, 707 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: the hypothesis is that without enriched foods, we would all 708 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 1: be dead from like rickets and other sorts of horrible malnourishment, disease, 709 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: blind from back of vitamin A, all the things that 710 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 1: can happen to you if you don't get enough vitamins. 711 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 1: What happened to the average American? Because what we eat 712 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,720 Speaker 1: because foods right, But the reason it doesn't is because 713 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: they put vitamins back in. Some people say, you know, 714 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: you might not even need supplements, forget eating whole food, 715 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: but they put so many vitamins in processed food that 716 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 1: you could conceivably live, okay, except for the added sugar 717 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: and the added salt, you could live vitamin wise. Um, fine, well, sure, 718 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 1: that's a sugar in the salt things a big caveat. 719 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: It is a big caveat because that leads to other 720 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: problems like cardiac But I see what you're saying, like 721 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: you could maybe get all the vitamins you need from 722 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: processed foods. Um, But that's not what we're recommending because 723 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: we're not doctors. But doctors say, are we to food now? 724 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: Like food? Food? Also? Oh yeah, one more thing, I 725 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: want to shout out Carl Zimmer, who wrote um vitamins 726 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: old old edge, uh in um I think the New 727 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,800 Speaker 1: York Times. Yeah, yeah, he did a great job about 728 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: the history of vitamins. Is that a friend of yours? No, 729 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: he's like a great science writer. Remember our blood type episode? 730 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: Sure that was live in Atlanta, right, Yes, it was 731 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: based a lot on his article on blood types. Didn't 732 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: we take a did we do a blood type test 733 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: on stage? Yeah? I turned out to be a positive, right, Jerry, 734 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,879 Speaker 1: aren't you a positive? Me and Jerry have the same 735 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: blood type. So a one of us get a leg amputated, 736 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: the other one has to cough up some blood, I know, 737 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: and I'll be right there to manage the whole progress. Um, 738 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,879 Speaker 1: But you two would just be arguing the whole time 739 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: that someone would bleed out before you settled on an 740 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: arranged saying the same thing though, But it just sounds 741 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: like an argument, And I would just as as you 742 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 1: both drifted off into the great beyond, I'd say, that's 743 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: so you guys, Um all right? That would not be 744 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: good though, because then I would have no career and 745 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 1: I had missed my friends. They get second um, so 746 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: eating foods that the you know that Mother Earth gives 747 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: us to contain these things is clearly the best thing 748 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: to do, allegedly. You know, studies have shown that we 749 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,720 Speaker 1: absorbed synthetic vitamins better than the stuff and food. Depending 750 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: really saw that, But again science is all over the place. 751 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: Well yeah, well since you brought that up, and like 752 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier in the episode, there are a lot 753 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: of studies that say that you actually don't absorb those 754 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: as well. I guess there are counter studies vitamins, yeah, 755 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: that I'm sure they're probably where where does the funding 756 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,879 Speaker 1: come from? I don't know, studies, I don't know. It's 757 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: a really good question. But phytochemicals, they are plant chemicals 758 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: that have properties that can help really help protect you 759 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: from disease. Those aren't in the supplements though. The phytochemicals 760 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: are what you get when you eat the raw broccoli, right. 761 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: I think you can get supplements, very high end supplements 762 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: that have phytochemicals and other stuff. And how rich people 763 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: suff so, like you know, in the future, they're like, 764 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: here's a meal and a pill. What they're kind of 765 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: hinting at is a full, fully fortified like pill and 766 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: that like in the vitamins we take. Now, if you 767 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: take vitamin D, you're getting vitamin D, whereas if you 768 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: drink some milk, you're getting a whole bunch of other 769 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: stuff along with that vitamin, right, And those things work 770 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: together in your body, and so you're giving your body 771 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: a shot of all these things that work really well together. 772 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: And that's the argument for eating the food. Oh for sure. 773 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: UM phytochemicals they think enhance what's called bioavailability. And that's 774 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 1: what we've been talking about, which is how much you're 775 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: actually absorbing UM. And I guess just pick a study 776 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,439 Speaker 1: because one might say, uh, you pee it right out, 777 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: and another might say a supplement and another might say 778 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: you don't. That's where it's just it's maddening, you know. 779 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: It is one of the things that I think us 780 00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: pharmacopeia one of the one of the um that those 781 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,839 Speaker 1: groups they they test to make sure that the pill 782 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,800 Speaker 1: or the vitamin or the supplement actually dissolves in the 783 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: stomach so that you actually are you do have a 784 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,799 Speaker 1: fighting chance of absorbing the nutrients in there. Or does 785 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: it say on the bottle don't pee for three hours 786 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:22,760 Speaker 1: after take just holy just pinch it. Uh. Here's another 787 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: study from the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine. It 788 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: showed that omega three's and fatty fish like a salmon, 789 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: let's say, um, they were better able to maintain proper 790 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 1: blood pressure. People were I'm sorry, mice were then with 791 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 1: that same omega three supplement, the fish oil pill that 792 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: you will take. Yeah, uh, and that's you know, that's 793 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: a that's a big deal. There's no like substitute, I 794 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: don't think for the real thing. Well, they found they 795 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 1: found like on the actual like level of your blood 796 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:57,760 Speaker 1: vessels that the natural, naturally occurring d h A holds 797 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: open your blood vessels, whereas the synthetic version doesn't, and 798 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: it actually fights the the natural version in your bloodstream too. 799 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: So but I mean that's just d h A. You know, 800 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,839 Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily extrapolate to vitamin d R anything like that. Well, 801 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: that's why you gotta really like dig in if you 802 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 1: want to start taking supplements, but do your research. But 803 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: I think the the idea that there are such things 804 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: as phytochemicals that we don't necessarily need to live, like 805 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: resveratrol and grapes or lutin in spinach or um like 806 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: a like apens, a big one that you find in tomatoes, 807 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,840 Speaker 1: things that give it a plant, it's flavor, it's odor, 808 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: and its color. Those things those are phytochemicals, and those 809 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: are the things that act as antioxidants. They regulate hormones, 810 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: they do all the stuff that we don't have to 811 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 1: have to function. But that actually take like that you 812 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: go from surviving to thriving. It seems like when you 813 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: incorporate phytochemicals in your diet, Yeah, you want a shiny 814 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: coat and glowing skin, you don't need that stuff. Um. 815 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: Here's another thing, the r d A. Uh. And I 816 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: think the r d A it's not just with Recommended 817 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: daily Allowance that that doesn't just cover supplements. I mean 818 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: that's kind of for calories at all. Yeah, I mean 819 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: that's a whole range of things. But um, amazingly that 820 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,320 Speaker 1: has not been updated since yeah, which was it was 821 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: a different country back then too. There are a lot 822 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: more farmers. Yeah, and and it's recommended for um, I 823 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: mean they're trying to cover all of America. So it's 824 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: not like the r d A for each person. They 825 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,719 Speaker 1: liken it to a sweater. In this article that you sent, 826 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 1: it's like trying to create a sweater that would fit 827 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: out of a hundred Americans Americans Americans. Yeah, uh, and 828 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: that's just not possible. No, I mean they this author 829 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,360 Speaker 1: Katherine Price, he wrote Vitamania. She's putting it like ninety 830 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,879 Speaker 1: five Americans will find it too large. It'll fit one, 831 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,839 Speaker 1: it won't fit you know, four of them, but it'll 832 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 1: it'll fit kind of some. It'll fit over some people, 833 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: but it'll be wrong for him. That was their point. Yeah, 834 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: And supposedly they're going to update the r d A 835 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 1: from when in a couple of years next year, that's 836 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: what I saw. We'll see. I'm interested. I can't sleep. 837 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's behind schedule. I can't wait. Oh. The 838 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,879 Speaker 1: other thing to be uh that you gotta wonder about 839 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: sometimes is um if like what the long term effective 840 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: of something like this might be. You know, it's like 841 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 1: taking taking vitamin D for a year or something is 842 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: different than taking vitamin D for forty years throughout your life. Yeah. So, 843 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: like there's something called um hyper vitamin osis I believe, 844 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 1: which is basically o ding on vitamins and some vitamins 845 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: it's really hard to do. Others it's a little easier. 846 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 1: But this author, Catherine Price, is kind of putting out 847 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 1: this hypothesis that, um, we may be existing in some 848 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,799 Speaker 1: kind of sub toxic state where it's we're not it's 849 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: not acutely toxic. We're not feigning and vomiting, and like 850 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: our liver isn't shutting down, but we're suffering from diseases 851 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,359 Speaker 1: we might not otherwise suffer from that we haven't linked 852 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 1: to the fact that we're taking too many vitamins. Yeah, 853 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 1: that's just like this low level sort of poisoning or something. 854 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: It's interesting, that's enough, like you could you could survive, 855 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: but you might die of something you wouldn't have died 856 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: from if you hadn't taken vitamin A that you didn't 857 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 1: need for thirty years, you know. And it's a hypothesis. 858 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,759 Speaker 1: It's not proven, but I've seen other people suggested too. Yeah, 859 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: and poison control to um, oh, yeah, that's a big one. 860 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,840 Speaker 1: That's a huge one. Every twenty four minutes, poison control 861 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 1: centers in the US get a call about a supplement reaction. Um, 862 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: it happens a lot. Yeah, there's about twenty three thousand 863 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,399 Speaker 1: e er trip from supplements in the US each year. Yeah, 864 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you think poison control is just like a 865 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,320 Speaker 1: swallowed something with a skull and crossbones on the label, 866 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 1: But that's that's really not the case, and especially true 867 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,279 Speaker 1: with kids, like you should treat these things like you know, 868 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 1: it sounds harsh to say, like it's poison, but if 869 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: you got a toddler in the house, don't leave your 870 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,680 Speaker 1: supplements down where they can get them just because it 871 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: says all natural. Yeah, yeah, and that's and that's part 872 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 1: of the problem is they have this kind of veneer 873 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: of wholesomeness because they are natural and this is stuff 874 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: that that's reported to poison control. You supposedly can report 875 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,879 Speaker 1: something to the f d A, but how many people 876 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: are doing that? You know a lot of people, um, 877 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,320 Speaker 1: if they do suffer an adverse reaction, will contact the company, 878 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: the manufacturer, and the manufacturer on paper is supposed to 879 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: report the incident to the FDA. But again it's it's 880 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: on the honor system, right. Or you just go to 881 00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 1: the doctor and they say maybe you should lay off 882 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:06,919 Speaker 1: the whatever you're taking, the wacky tobaccy yeah, vitamin church 883 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 1: w um, yeah, maybe layoff that, and then you never 884 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: report it. So the long and short of it is is. 885 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 1: I think they said something like never get reported to 886 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,839 Speaker 1: the FDA at all. So, I mean, I don't really 887 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 1: know how to wrap this one up because they is 888 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,200 Speaker 1: just so so out on so many things. I mean, 889 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: for the most part, it does seem like you're going 890 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 1: to do a little more than waste your money on 891 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,880 Speaker 1: something you don't need. UM. But I think the movement 892 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,719 Speaker 1: today is to say no just before you really start 893 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,279 Speaker 1: a supplement regimen, before you go Al Ray curs while 894 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 1: because you know, he takes pills a day a day 895 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,400 Speaker 1: every day. He's a futurist, like People's Chief imagineer or 896 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,359 Speaker 1: something like that. No, that's a Disney term. He uh, 897 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,040 Speaker 1: he takes like two fifty pills a day. Before you 898 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 1: do anything like that. The the kind of the um. 899 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 1: The recommendation du jure is try eating more of a 900 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,000 Speaker 1: whole foods diet. Yeah, like go spend all of your 901 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,759 Speaker 1: money at whole foods. I think that means that one. Yeah. 902 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,799 Speaker 1: I agree, this is a tough one to wrap up, 903 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,200 Speaker 1: and I believe we will get equal parts emails saying 904 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,319 Speaker 1: from people who swear by it. Uh. It's almost takes 905 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,800 Speaker 1: on a religious quality to people that think it's complete 906 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,920 Speaker 1: bunk and a couple of people saying like, leave worn 907 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 1: hats alone. Well, since I said leave worn hats alone, 908 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,120 Speaker 1: I think that means it's time for listener mail. Uh 909 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 1: it is, and I'm gonna call this uh Josh and 910 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,800 Speaker 1: Chucker feminists. Hey, guys, I'm consistently impressed by how clued 911 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 1: up you are on feminism. And by feminism I mean 912 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 1: equality in general, because you always point out times and 913 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,680 Speaker 1: which men struggle in society too. From my point of view, 914 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,200 Speaker 1: you also regularly look through a race lens, disabled lens, 915 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,120 Speaker 1: and gay lens. Although I cannot speak for how well 916 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: you are doing there, to me, it seems incredibly inclusive 917 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: and sympathetic. Uh, You're welcome. Oh you mean got you? 918 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 1: I think you too? Maybe the only two adult men 919 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,880 Speaker 1: I've ever heard speak the way you do. Uh, And 920 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,600 Speaker 1: I massively respect you for that is so important to 921 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,279 Speaker 1: have influential men speak in these ways. I don't think 922 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: that you ever really pushed those arguments down people's throats, 923 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,880 Speaker 1: but instead matter of factly stating these issues during an 924 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: informative podcast in a man's voice. Let's have an influence 925 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 1: in uh, And it is having an effect somewhere I've 926 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,279 Speaker 1: even heard he criticized some second wave feminist ideas and 927 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: trump them with third wave feminist ideas. I think it 928 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: was in the makeup episode. You guys were discussing feminists 929 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,319 Speaker 1: of the seventies shunning women who wear makeup, and Chuck said, 930 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,279 Speaker 1: I think they may have got that one wrong. Uh, 931 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,320 Speaker 1: And then you two proceeded to have the most progressive 932 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,160 Speaker 1: chat ever about how women aren't just wearing makeup for 933 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 1: the purpose of pleasing men. Makes my head explode with excitement. Guys, 934 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,320 Speaker 1: to each their own, keep doing what you're doing. That 935 00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:03,600 Speaker 1: is from Alice chibnal Kiwi living in Edinburgh. Thanks a lot, 936 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:08,759 Speaker 1: great great city, agreed, great country to New Zealand. Yeah, 937 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,080 Speaker 1: I mean she's winning on both fronts. That's where a 938 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,840 Speaker 1: lot of the sheep lannel and invite him in d 939 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,640 Speaker 1: comes man, I bet New Zealand. Thanks a lot, Alice. 940 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 1: We appreciate that. It was very nice to hear um. 941 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,360 Speaker 1: If you want to give us compliments, man send him in. 942 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,360 Speaker 1: You can find us all over social media, go to 943 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,920 Speaker 1: our website Stuff you Should Know dot com and as always, 944 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,319 Speaker 1: you can send us an email to Stuff Podcast at 945 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:34,719 Speaker 1: I Heeart Radio dot com. Stuff You Should Know is 946 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,319 Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Radio's How Stuff Works. 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