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Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda Land Audio

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Speaker 1: in partnership with I Heart Radio. This generation, today's modern parents,

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Speaker 1: have been trying to parent and create families that look

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Speaker 1: a lot different than what we were raised. And kudos

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Speaker 1: to us for trying to do that and defined trying

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Speaker 1: to create and be intentional about creating families where mothers

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Speaker 1: can be in the workforce and can work and don't

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Speaker 1: have to sacrifice having a family to do it. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Katie's Crib. I don't think I've ever

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Speaker 1: seen more is the word memes. When you keep looking

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and you see quotes that moms repost a lot,

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Speaker 1: you will see that a lot of them are from Motherly,

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Speaker 1: a lot of them. And I have on Katie's Crib

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Speaker 1: today the person behind Motherly and behind those brilliant self affirming,

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Speaker 1: life affirming, mama affirming um quotes and phrases and things

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Speaker 1: that I see and I'm always like, holy crup, that's

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Speaker 1: so right on, and they're always by Motherly. UM. To

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Speaker 1: know a little bit about Jill cozi Il, she is,

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Speaker 1: like I said, the co founder and CEO of Motherly,

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Speaker 1: which if you don't know, let me tell you. It's

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Speaker 1: a well being destination, empowering mothers to thrive with incredibly

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Speaker 1: expert content, innovative product solutions, and a supportive community which

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Speaker 1: we all need. We cannot do this alone. Motherly engages

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Speaker 1: an audience of forty million plus readers and viewers a

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Speaker 1: month with on demand parent education classes, Webby Award winning videos,

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Speaker 1: the Motherly Podcast, essays, articles, and a highly engaged social

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Speaker 1: media community. That's what I'm talking about with all those posts.

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Speaker 1: So good. Jill is also the co author of The

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Speaker 1: Motherly Guide to Becoming Mama, Redefining the Pregnancy, Birth, and

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Speaker 1: Postpartum Journey and This is Motherhood, a motherly collection of

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Speaker 1: reflections and practices. Jill is passionate about serving and empowering

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Speaker 1: women and mothers because when momas are successful, everyone wins.

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Speaker 1: She is an advocate for families, female founders, and how

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Speaker 1: to thrive with multiple sclerosis. Jill lives in Park City, Utah,

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Speaker 1: with her husband and her two daughters. Jill, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Katie's crib. Hi Jill, Hi, Katie, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for taking the time. I'm so excited to be talking

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Speaker 1: to you today. So let's start here, did you always

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Speaker 1: want to be a career working mom? Oh wow? Well, first,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me, and great question. Um,

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Speaker 1: I had a lot of different models. You know, if

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Speaker 1: lot of different models in my life, stay at home moms,

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Speaker 1: part time working moms, of of entrepreneuring women, and I, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I did. I My father was an entrepreneur,

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Speaker 1: and I think I always saw myself with the vision

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Speaker 1: of contributing beyond my own small world in a bigger way.

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Speaker 1: I already described it a little bit, but let's hear

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Speaker 1: it in your words. What is motherly and how did

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Speaker 1: you and Liz develop it? So we'll start with how

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Speaker 1: we developed it, because we developed motherly because it didn't

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Speaker 1: exist and we needed it. We were millennial mothers. We

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Speaker 1: are millennial mothers, and we felt as though media and

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Speaker 1: the world were treating motherhood as almost cartoonish um and

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Speaker 1: really building and creating these mommy wars that just didn't

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Speaker 1: really reflect our lived experiences. We looked around us and

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Speaker 1: saw women that were becoming mothers that were incredibly educated,

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Speaker 1: incredibly supportive, kind of a you do you generation, and

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Speaker 1: we found that as digital natives. What was out there

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Speaker 1: And so we launched Motherly really to be a next

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Speaker 1: generation brand UM that that showed women that motherhood could

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Speaker 1: be an opportunity to nurture not lose yourself. And so

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Speaker 1: we launched Motherly as woman centered, not baby centered, to

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Speaker 1: be evidence based, an expert driven, not user generated content,

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Speaker 1: And so Motherly is a well being destination, as you said,

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Speaker 1: that is for our forty million plus moms that kind

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Speaker 1: does Motherly offer for its forty million participants. So we

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Speaker 1: are a destination and a hub of content around motherhood

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Speaker 1: So I've got elementary age children myself, they're you know,

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Speaker 1: to go as a hub for digital online classes from parenting, Wow,

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Speaker 1: what kind of classes are you going to offer? Tell

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Speaker 1: So we're there for everything from hypno birth thing and um,

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Speaker 1: then we're also doing classes around you know, how to

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Speaker 1: Grandparents one oh one is a class that we're developing

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Speaker 1: heard of that before. That's brilliant. Well, we're so committed

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Speaker 1: is a lot less now they're older. But I think,

429
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm entering I've got two daughters, Like I'm

430
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: entering into like between and team stage. So like pray

431
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, you're yeah, bigger problems in the mental health,

432
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: you're in a different phase. Oh my god, I'm terrifying exactly.

433
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: You mentioned on your motherly website, which is incredible. Everybody listening,

434
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: go to the motherly website. Thank you so much. That

435
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: you were diagnosed with multiple sclerosis three months after launching Motherly.

436
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: How tell me about your mental health space after receiving

437
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: the news. Oh, that would be the low point of life,

438
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: I have to say. UM, So I developed optic naritis,

439
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: which is the most common time way of getting of

440
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: starting to experience ms UM, which is almost like you

441
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: have like a bug screen over like a bug screen

442
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: over your eyes. So I could still see, but they

443
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: were like it wasn't and it was clear, but there

444
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: were like black spots in it almost right. And that

445
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: was weird because I was thirty five, which, by the way,

446
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: happens to be the average age of onset of multiple

447
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: scrosis for women. And so the good news is when

448
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: you get optic naritis or any kind of weird I

449
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: thing in your thirty five, like the automatri sees you

450
00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: immediately and so UM, I was actually diagnosed very quickly. UM.

451
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: Some people it takes decades to get diagnosed, and so

452
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: I was diagnosed within ten days of onset of symptoms. UM.

453
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: And that was a combination of being able to advocate

454
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: for myself and feeling entitled to advocate for myself, having

455
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: an excellent network, having great health insurance, and like being

456
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 1: an area in the Bay Area with like Stanford and

457
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: UCSF and great access to care and had any of

458
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: those things not been true, it could have taken me

459
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: a lot longer. So in equity and healthcare is like

460
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: a whole another topic for a podcast, but yeah, we've

461
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: done them and it's dismal and so so I was

462
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: diagnosed very quickly. But yeah, it was three months after

463
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: launching Motherly and like launching out with like from Google

464
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: headquarters in New York and you know, the eyes on

465
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 1: us and like wanting to scale and had worked so

466
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: hard to launch this thing, and I was floored. I mean,

467
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: it's one of the few times I've been brought to

468
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: my knees in my life because I found out that like,

469
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: not only did I have this problem, but I had

470
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: actually had seven or eight asians in my brain, which

471
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: are like things. Only one was active at the time,

472
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: but those are like scars on your brain from having had,

473
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, episodes of some sort along the way. And

474
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: I had to look. I had to make really hard

475
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: decisions really fast, and including one which was to start

476
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: a really aggressive medicine that would stop MS and it's

477
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: in its tracks, which it did. But I also had

478
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: to decide that we were done having children because it's

479
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: known to um have birth defects and I, I mean,

480
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: we made that hard family choice for ourselves and it

481
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: was the best choice. UM. And but yeah, then I

482
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: was doing you know, Ahmed every month with my team on.

483
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: You know, I'd be at the hospital for an outpatient,

484
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: but be at the hospital for the infusion that I

485
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: would do every month, and like while there and you know,

486
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 1: i'd be find at the beginning of it and by

487
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: the ends like they'd see my head kind of oh

488
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: my gosh. And just but like I couldn't stop. I mean,

489
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: if you ask Liz, I don't think I took a

490
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: full day off the whole time, because we just couldn't UM.

491
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: And I'm a woman and a mom. I just kept

492
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: powering on UM. But then later I started to learn

493
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 1: that this was kind of a wake up call. Like

494
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: the MS wasn't caused by my stress right or anything

495
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: related to that, but it was certainly the wake up

496
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: call that I needed to find better balance in my

497
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: life and to find tools that could help me create

498
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: space so that I really could prioritize my health and

499
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: show up best as the CEO of Motherly but also

500
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: as the CEO of my family. Mm hmm. I know

501
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: that self care is very very important, um in terms

502
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: of like like walking when it's too hot out, like

503
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: like a lot of things Like that's such a stupid example,

504
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: but just meaning to say, you really have to reevaluate

505
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: your life, um and make it so that you stay healthy. Um.

506
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: How tell me about reevaluating things like that and how

507
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: that affected your career and your family dynamics. So because

508
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: I was diagnosed so quickly and my first flare like

509
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 1: real flair that impacted my life was able to kind

510
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: of revert back, I have what's called remitting relapsing. It remitted,

511
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: it came back, I mean it went away and it's

512
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: never come back for me because of the meds that

513
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: I'm on and I'm on Oak Purvis now, um so

514
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: it's a different med but switched over to that and

515
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: it's like the most widely used and just it's a

516
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: game changer for people. Um. And because of that, I

517
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: have zero symptoms, like zero symptoms um from it. Again,

518
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: everyone's lived experiences differently with MS, so I've been very

519
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: very lucky with that, and but it's still taught me,

520
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: Like I exercise. I remember my doctor said, most people

521
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: you know say, oh, I want to exercise, like three

522
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: to five times a week, like that's what it takes

523
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: to be healthy. And he's like, for you, you need

524
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: to think to yourself, five is my minimum? Because MS

525
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: is it can be a layering disease, right, and so

526
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: as I age, we don't want something else to get

527
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: layered on, like with obesity or diabetes or some other

528
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: health related issue. He's like, you need to be as

529
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: healthy as you possibly can so that if for some

530
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: reason the MS starts to come back, you're not layering

531
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: in on top of other things. Wow wow, wow wow,

532
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: But what a gift is that? Yeah, No, you're like

533
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: you're not. Look, we should all be working out or

534
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: taking care of our physical bodies. But you know that

535
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: very deeply right now. Well, I had a doctor actually

536
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: like write me a prescription for it in a way,

537
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: right and tell you like you have to do it.

538
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: And it was so scared at that time of MS

539
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: and of like of of becoming the stabilitated person, which

540
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: is what you see right um, and that I was like, okay,

541
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: got it, Like I will do. So it's eating whole foods,

542
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: not processed foods, not a lot of sugar, working out

543
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: and finding space for like mindfulness and meditation shin too, right,

544
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: like to clear that space for myself, and that last

545
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: one is the hardest. But I've meditated every day this week, UM,

546
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: which is doing good. Well done on you, Jill. I've

547
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: sat down to start every day and then my son

548
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: comes in and I'm like, Okay, how did Motherly and

549
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: your family support you through the diagnosis? I mean, Liz

550
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: Tentedy is my co founder and she is the end

551
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: of my yang. UM. We became so close through Motherly

552
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: as a whole, like no one else in the world

553
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: knows what it means to be a co founder of

554
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: Motherly but her right, and so this really intense relationship

555
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: for through the ups and downs of startup life UM

556
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: and through MS and UM she was has always been

557
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: incredibly supportive and UM and the whole team too. In

558
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: the early days, you know, Katie, I I was nervous

559
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: to tell our investors because of the stigma attached to MS.

560
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a neurological disease, right, and I'm a

561
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: there's so few women in venture backed businesses running venture

562
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: backed businesses, and even fewer mothers doing it. I didn't

563
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: want to give any reason why, you know that could

564
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 1: hold me back in some way or why they shouldn't invest.

565
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: And so you know, I met with our attorneys and

566
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: they said, look like this is you have doctors saying

567
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: it's not holding you back. You don't have to tell them.

568
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: So I waited a little while to really share that

569
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: diagnosed until diagnosis until I felt like motherly was strong

570
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: enough on its own right. Um, and that was hard,

571
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: but I had the support of my team, and I

572
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: had the support, and ultimately I learned I have the

573
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: support of my investors too, which is wonderful. And then

574
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: on the family side, Um, my husband is amazing. Pete,

575
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: m y, Pete. He's he's a really he's a true partner.

576
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: Um he I will say, and he would acknowledge this,

577
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: Like it is very uncomfortable in our family when I

578
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: am weak for whatever reason. Like he's so used to

579
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: me being strong and solid and like the rock that

580
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: everyone else can lean on. That when there are moments

581
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: when I show weakness, like it sets the family off kilter.

582
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: But like and and he has a hard time initially responding,

583
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: but like when I am there, standing there in that

584
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: weakness and he can like really internalize that he's there,

585
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: he shows up and he carries the load when he

586
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: needs to, um, which is wonderful. UM. And then also

587
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: you know it's also girlfriends, right, like I mean women

588
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: like I have a friend. UM. I had a really

589
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: hard time going to the first I went to an

590
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: m S walk after I was first diagnosed, and like

591
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: trying to internalize and process the fact that I had

592
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: a disease that required a walk right to fundraise for

593
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: it and of course and I was so traumatized seeing

594
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: the people and like the disabilities that came from it

595
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: later and um, and I was really not looking forward

596
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: to it the next year. It was felt like the

597
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: survivor guilt of sorts that that wasn't sure for me.

598
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: And I had a dear friend Evan who told me,

599
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: gave me permission. She's like, Jill, this is not your story,

600
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: Like you don't have to go and do that, right, like,

601
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: you choose what is your story and this and it

602
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be what you There's no should are

603
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: supposed to use right, So friends, family, and thank you pete. UM.

604
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: Can you give us some examples of when you pushed

605
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: like past guild, whether it's work guild or family guild,

606
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: and you prioritize self care instead. How do you make

607
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: those calls? How do you How did you meditate every

608
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: day this week? So this is a new one. Okay.

609
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: I took a transcendental um um transcendent meditation of course

610
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when things were like not

611
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: going well with motherly and like I was not sleeping

612
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: and like there was this like stress cycle kind of

613
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: happening then, and I sleep was so critical. So I

614
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: took the course then and then I've been horrible at

615
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: following up on it, and so um I, for whatever reason,

616
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: I just felt like now is the time to come

617
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: back to that practice, and so um I have just

618
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: woken up. I'm not doing the whole thing right now.

619
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm not being a good like practice m practicer, but

620
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: woke up ten minutes earlier than I normally do, and

621
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: I sat up and I meditated, um just for ten minutes. Hey,

622
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: that's fucking to you and not And you know what,

623
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: no one even knew because it was ten minutes earlier,

624
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: right Like, so no one in the family, no one

625
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: was running in to wake me up. That's gonna happen

626
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: like tomorrow, now that I've said this, um so there's that,

627
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: but the guilt side of it, you know. I mean

628
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: every day today I had a call starting at eight am,

629
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: and I had a workout class at eight thirty, and um,

630
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: I talked to my Cheetah staff while I'm driving there

631
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: and like it's summer, the kids are, you know, home

632
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: from you know, camp doesn't start till later, and so

633
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: it's not part of like the normal routine. And I

634
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: was like, Daddy's gonna take you to camp today, Like

635
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing this and this is where like the clawing

636
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: a like no, mommy, what are you gonna pick us?

637
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: Are you going to pick us up? Like, no, the

638
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: pair is gonna come pick you up today, And like

639
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: there are times in my life where I probably would

640
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: have been like okay, like I'll stay, and maybe when

641
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: they were younger, maybe like I'll stay, like my workout

642
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: doesn't need to happen. That's me. Damn it no, Like yeah,

643
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: damn it no. Yes. And I think I feel a

644
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: responsibility too because I'm raising daughters that I want to

645
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: raise daughters that understand self care that I model it

646
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: for now because I want them to have a healthy

647
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: relationship and I don't I want it to feel like

648
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: organic for them. I don't want it to have to

649
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: be like hard in the way that it is for us, right,

650
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: And so I kind of feel like I wipe away

651
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: a little bit of guilt because I tell myself that

652
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm modeling something important for them. Yeah, I do that

653
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: when I go to work and he's like, no, you're

654
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: always going to work, You're always leaving. Get it on,

655
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: And I just flip it around in my brand and

656
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: I say, and I'm I I love my job. I'm

657
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: so happy that I get to go to a job

658
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: that I love so much. And my hope for you

659
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: is that some day you get to go to a

660
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: job that you love so much. To love that so important.

661
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: And I'm saying it out loud to convince myself to

662
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: get over the mom guilt totally. How were you practicing

663
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: saying no to others after you found out about your diagnosis, Like,

664
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: what would you say was the best way to practice

665
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: and follow through on saying no for you? You know,

666
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: that's a great question because there's I actually wrote a

667
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: small essay and then this is Motherhood Book because I'm

668
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: not one of the I'm not one of the writers

669
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: at Motherly Lake Again play to other people's superpowers. Not

670
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: my thing, but I did write one about that because

671
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: again speaking about wise women in your village of sorts

672
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: and friends. Um I had this woman, um Lori and

673
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: in my circle of friends in California, and she her

674
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: children a little bit older, so she's like, you know,

675
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: a couple of stages ahead. And she talked about she

676
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: had a cancer diagnosis um or when her kids are

677
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: a little bit younger. And she just said, you know,

678
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: this is not my season for saying yes, this is

679
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: my season for no, and like the season always like

680
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: see change right and like my yeam, and that was

681
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: so freeing, and so I just started saying, like, you know,

682
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: that's like if someone asked me to volunteer at school

683
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: as an example, right, like this isn't really my season

684
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: for volunteering right now, and so like but like please

685
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: ask me again, like next year, like ship that's good,

686
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: that's really good, not this season. You know, this isn't

687
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: my season for that. Oh my god, that's really funny. Yes,

688
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: And then you have to like and then talking about

689
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: stories you tell yourself and saying it out loud, but

690
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: also like, this is not my season for cooking in

691
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: the home either personally, I've never been in that season.

692
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: I I don't I don't know what that looks at.

693
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I've never been in that season

694
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: to my whole life. I mean, a kid's menu I'm

695
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: fine with. I can do fucking meatballs, spaghetti, chicken, fingers,

696
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: casey d whatever, That's all fine, But like a season

697
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: for cooking actual ship never gonna happen. Don't care, not

698
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: a value of mine, exactly exactly leaning into those and

699
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: letting the guilt go about them and just being like

700
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: this is not that's not not my thing right now. Yeah,

701
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm not not my season. That is so funny. One

702
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: other kind of tip on that is I also, um,

703
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: I started to prioritize, like if I am going to

704
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: volunteer with the schools. Back then, I said, I wanted

705
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: to be in a place where my children see me,

706
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: So like I'm not going to be on the organizing committee,

707
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: but I'll show up to do the thing so my

708
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: kids see me there and like I'm part of that

709
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: experience with them, Like if I could pick and choose.

710
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: So that was really important to Ship. That's good. Who

711
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: gave you that tip? That one? I just kind of

712
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: like figured out. But here's the difference. Now that I'm

713
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, the CEO of a company, I can do

714
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: my best, my most my highest driven purpose is joining

715
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: the board of things. I can have the largest impact

716
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: in the shortest amount of time. Right again, the season's

717
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: change for like what you need and how you can work? Wow,

718
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: what would you say to women who are moms who

719
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: are looking to start a business? Start talking about it

720
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: every day with everyone, Like, start trying on for size

721
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: what that is. We have a lot of self limiting

722
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: talk that we do for ourselves, especially as women and

723
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: even more as moms. And the biggest advice I can

724
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: give is just start talking about it. Create that feedback loop.

725
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: See what people have to say. Um, it'll change how

726
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: you talk about it the next time, right, Like, just

727
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: put it out there into the world and see what

728
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: kind of goodness comes from that. The more you talk

729
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: about it, the more support you get. The more you

730
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: you know, iterate the idea through talking about it, the

731
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: bigger it becomes. It's it's like watering a plant, right

732
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: like it will continue to grow and so and a

733
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: lot of people hold it too close, like their idea.

734
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: They keep it, you know, they kind of put it

735
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: aside and they keep it so close, and you know

736
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: they feed it quietly on the side, but like, no,

737
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: put it out there in the world and talk about

738
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: it as much as you can. This is such a

739
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: great and achievable tip like that is you just keep watering,

740
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: just keep talking about it, to talk about your idea,

741
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: talking about the business. You want to talk about it

742
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: with anyone who listen. It's family, it's friends, it's the

743
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: school drop off, like whatever funking is. Just talk because

744
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: that's sort of how my husband started the pretzel business.

745
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: And then like one thing started, my husband started a

746
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: pretzel business during the pandemic. But anyway, it was like

747
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: through just opening his mouth like constantly. It really does work. Okay,

748
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: Then the opposite of that question, what tips and support

749
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: do you give women who have huge careers already who

750
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: are becoming first time moms. Yes, so it's time to

751
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: radically prioritize um and and to acknowledge that you are

752
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: not going to be able to do all of the things.

753
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a master at your calendar. You're gonna

754
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: be so much more efficient. You're going to gain all

755
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: these super powers through motherhood that are going to make

756
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: you better at your job. But you've got you'll learn

757
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: like I did, to hire really good people that like,

758
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: don't be scared about them being better than you. That's

759
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: a good thing, um, And to really empower them in

760
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: a different way to free you up some on the

761
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: business side. And then the same thing at home, Like

762
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: do the things that bring you joy and have the

763
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: biggest impact with your child and with your with your

764
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: partner if you have one, and like and let the

765
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: rest of it go. Let it go. Yeah, that is

766
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: so great, Such great advice. Any advice for mothers what

767
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: they can do if they feel like it's all too

768
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: overwhelming and impossible. Talk about it again. Um, let's talk

769
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: about it with your partner, talk about it with your friends,

770
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: and talk about it with your doctor. You know, we've

771
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: got a mental health epidemic in this country that has

772
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: been exacerbated by COVID, by the pandemic UM A lot

773
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: of anxiety, a lot of depression, UM, and you know,

774
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: post lack of structural and governmental and societal support from

775
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: mothers generally, like talk to your doctors about it. And

776
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: so often women's medical issues, mental or physical, are not

777
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: um are not really taken seriously in the medical world.

778
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: And so if you feel like you're not being taken seriously,

779
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: go to another doctor. Yeah, you have to advocating for yourself.

780
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: You have to. If you feel like you are not

781
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: a priority, not getting the attention you need, people aren't

782
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: listening to you, and you don't feel well mentally or physically,

783
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: go to someone else. Exactly. You women intuitively understand when

784
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: something is not right with their bodies. We are very

785
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: very capable of that. And the thing that we're not

786
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: always so good at is advocating for ourselves and and

787
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: giving voice to those things. And again we put ourselves

788
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: on the back burner over and over again. And I

789
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: say all the time, if a mother is thriving, then

790
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: and only then can a family in a community thrive.

791
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,479
Speaker 1: And so we're at the center. I love that we

792
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: are the center. Good Lord, Yes, do you have any

793
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: favorite stories about your kids? Goodness? You know, I actually have.

794
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: I should have. If I'd know when you were asking this,

795
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: I would have brought it with me. Um. I had

796
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: this little thought, one line a day journal, like a

797
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: five year journal. It's like this big and I did

798
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: and I did it for like three years or like

799
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: two and a half. Oh. I I did it one

800
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: page and then I was like, I'm not doing this.

801
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: Three years is good? Good Lord, good on you. The

802
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: girls were two years apart, so there's a lot of

803
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: cuteness happening in three years, right, like quotes down of

804
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: like what they would say. I used it as that

805
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: more than anything. Um, and I just my daughter found it.

806
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: My ten year old found it the other day and

807
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I might pick it

808
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: back up like seven years later and just start again

809
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: with it now. So it's to me, it's it's not

810
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: like the big things, it's the little tiny things that

811
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: make me so happy and make me smile. Like she

812
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: reading that she remembered that her sister's name when we

813
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: moved here, she changed from Kate to Catherine. I mean

814
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: she's seven, so like you know, you can tell how

815
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: you can tell a high school is going to be

816
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: for us already by that little anecdote. Um, I am

817
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: no longer Kate. I will only be called Katherine. So

818
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm reading through this and apparently Claire, our eldest, used

819
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: to call her Tate. She couldn't call her Kate. Um.

820
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: And then there was another one in there that Kate

821
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: at the time. Katherine. Now, um, someone came up and

822
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: like set like an adult and was like, you know

823
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: what's your you know what's your name? And she's like,

824
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: She's like, my name is Kate, but you can call

825
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: me Cubby and like never ever has anyone called her

826
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: copy like she gave herself this nickname. Yeah, there's all

827
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: It's all the tiny little moments that add up over time.

828
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: And you know, I wish I had taken more video

829
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: actually when they were little, little, um, just to capture

830
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: all of that. Well, you were a little busy. It's

831
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: always a little busy. It's okay, it's okay. Um, two

832
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: more last questions and then we'll go, Um, how do

833
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: you believe this is? We do so many podcasts on this,

834
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: but if you have anything to add to this, great

835
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: and if not, I get it because it's too much.

836
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: How do you believe that America can change and provide

837
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: better for moms in the workspace? Oh, Katie, I got

838
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: a list on this one. I mean, okay, go read

839
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: the State of Motherhood study fro or hell, go read

840
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: all five of them. Okay, if you want to playbook

841
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: on what mothers need because through motherly they have told

842
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: us what they need. They need paid maternity leave. They

843
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: need rental leave in this country, like we need to

844
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: rental leave in this country and stop. Yes. Second, they

845
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: need affordable childcare. We need affordable childcare. Yes, yes, And

846
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: here's I learned this recently. Do you know that during

847
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: World War Two, when women had to go to work

848
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: in factories, do you know that we had government provided

849
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: childcare for all of the children. If you were a

850
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: working mother, you dropped your children off with these at

851
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: these beautiful locations, for all of your children. They took

852
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: your child to the doctor for you, I get the chills.

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Speaker 1: They took your child to the doctor. And when you

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Speaker 1: picked your children up at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: they gave you a cast of role so you didn't

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Speaker 1: have to make dinner. Shut the front door, Jill, Like

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Speaker 1: we've done this, guys. This is fucked up. Were set

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Speaker 1: up to fail. It's fucked up. It's it's it's what

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Speaker 1: we are doing is impossible. And here's here's for you,

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Speaker 1: Katie and for your for your listeners. The millennial generation

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Speaker 1: is the first generation history and which women are more

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Speaker 1: educated than men. Okay, I read this on your site.

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Speaker 1: It is no longer a nice to have for women

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Speaker 1: to be in the workforce. It is an economic and

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Speaker 1: competitive and perative, which means in order for our country

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Speaker 1: to be competitive in the world, we have got to

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Speaker 1: figure out how to keep women in the workforce after

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Speaker 1: they become mothers. We have to support them or we

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Speaker 1: are going to lose as a country, as a society.

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Speaker 1: Like this is not a nice to have anymore, and

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Speaker 1: it's an imperative. Ok, you gonna make me cry. But

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Speaker 1: those are two totally things that by the way, regardless

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Speaker 1: of party, everyone is everyone, every single person that we mean,

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Speaker 1: it's like it is one of the few things that

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Speaker 1: everyone is aligned on this country is paid paternity leave,

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Speaker 1: like government paid supportive fraternity lead and affordable childcare. That's it.

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Speaker 1: That is what we need in this country. If we

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Speaker 1: did those two things, Oh oh my gosh, it would

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Speaker 1: be yeah, yeah, who who has that? Finland, Norway, Sweden.

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Speaker 1: I mean we're the last developing country. I feel like

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Speaker 1: that doesn't have paid paternity leave. But there's others that

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Speaker 1: do and have it much longer. They're smaller countries, they're

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Speaker 1: less diverse. It's harder us as big and gnarly in

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Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. But we can do this.

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Speaker 1: We can. We have to. It's imperative we will lose.

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Speaker 1: Women are better and smarter and more educated then men.

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Speaker 1: They have to be in the workplace. Okay, finish this

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Speaker 1: sentence and that I'm letting you go. Parenthood is Parenthood

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Speaker 1: is chaotic and the chaos, but like, there's so much

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Speaker 1: beauty in the chaos too. There's so much hardship, there's

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Speaker 1: so much beauty, like, but it is, it is chaotic,

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Speaker 1: there is like always, there's a lot of emotions, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of physical needs, there's a lot of growth,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of problems. There's a lot of food

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Speaker 1: to make and be fed, you know, like it's a lot,

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Speaker 1: but it's it is. It's beautiful. So like my first

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Speaker 1: thought actually it was beautiful and magical, and then I

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Speaker 1: was like, but it's not. Those are too clean of words.

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Speaker 1: It's actually chaotic and that can be beautiful too, but

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Speaker 1: it's definitely challenging and worth it. Jill, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for coming on Katie's crib. Everybody listening, please go

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Speaker 1: to mother dot l Y. Jill, thank you for taking

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Speaker 1: the time to come on Katie's crib and speaking with

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Speaker 1: our listeners. It was a wonderful or. I learned a

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Speaker 1: ton of stuff that I will take for me and

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Speaker 1: you made me cry. Um. Thank you so much, it's

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Speaker 1: been so fun. Thank you guys so much for listening

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Speaker 1: to today's episode. I want to hear from you. Let's

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Speaker 1: chat questions, comments, concerns. Let me know. You can always

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Speaker 1: find me at Katie's Crib at Shonda land dot com.

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