1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: What's up everybody, d J, Bucky here, Move the Sticks. 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Coming off a Monday night game between the Bears and 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: the Redskins, a game which did not feature uh, Dwayne 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: Haskins a topic, I think we're gonna hit on today, Buck, 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: And we've got one of our favorite guests going to 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: join the show as well today. Yeah, Joe Class going 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: to come on and enjoin. Uh. It's always great talking 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: to him because he has a perspective. He does the 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: big Neon game for Fox FS one, so it'd be 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: great to talk to him about that. UM. And then 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna kind of take them, take everyone 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. We're gonna teach you how to write 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: a scouting report. Everyone writes the scouting report differently, but 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: DJ and I will kind of share our insights on 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: how to kind of start writing scouting reports so you 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: can kind of start your own evaluation process. They're kind 18 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: of the nuts and bolts of scouting there. And I think, 19 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's advice I give a lot of people 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: that want to get into scouting. I said, hey, look, 21 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, well I don't I'm not with the team. 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: I haven't got got on with a with a college 23 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: or what have you, so I don't have any experience. Well, no, look, 24 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: you've got game pass. You've got NFL NFL game Pass, 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: you can get the All twenty two, which is what 26 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: you scout off of. That's available to everybody. So uh, 27 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: go ahead and get on there and start watching players 28 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: and start writing up players. You can have it on 29 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: a blog, you can write about a notebook however you 30 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: want to do it. Um, but you can start watching 31 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: players and get those writing skills honed a little bit, 32 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: and we'll give you some tools with with how to 33 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: proceed if that's something you really want to do. Hopefully 34 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: that will help you. They're also gonna talk a little 35 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: bit later on in the episode about some college kids 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: that have caught our eye as we uh look ahead 37 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: towards the NFL draft, some interesting names starting to pop 38 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: up around the country and get a chance to discuss 39 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: those as well, Buck, I do want to those start 40 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: here with the Bears situation and the Washington Redskins situation. 41 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: These are two teams that man you. Even though the 42 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: quarterback situation hasn't been perfect with Rubisky, it's it's a 43 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: team that you know, has champions chip hopes and they've 44 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: got a roster that can compete each and every week. 45 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: And then you watch the Washington Redskins and what they 46 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: trot out there. It's been a long time. Uh, it 47 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: just does not feel like this is a team that, uh, 48 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: that can go anywhere. And uh, you know, I love 49 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts just on when the time is 50 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 1: right to throw Dwayne Haskins out there. You know, it's 51 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: tough because, um, everyone's clamoring for the young guy to 52 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: get out there. And when you look at the way 53 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: that the other young guys around the league are having success, 54 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: you do wonder why the Washington Redskins are so hesitant 55 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: to pull the trigger. However, when you watch them play, though, 56 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: you understand why they don't necessarily want to throw them 57 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: out to the Wolves because the offensive line has not 58 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: done a great job of protecting case Keenum. He gets 59 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: knocked around a little bit game with the ball a 60 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: few times on the perimeter. You have Paul Richardson, you 61 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: have Terry mclauren, but you just are still lacking maybe 62 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: the kind of weapons that a young player would need. 63 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: And then the running game. Adrian Peterson would have been 64 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: great if this was two thousand seven, two thousand, two 65 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: thousand nine. But Adrian Peterson now is a shell of 66 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 1: what he was, and so they just don't have enough 67 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: weapons to really help and support a young quarterback. So 68 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: I can't understand why the front office and maybe even 69 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: a coaching staff has decided to go about their business 70 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: with the older quarterback case Keenum as opposed to really 71 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: getting the young quarterback out there and let him kind 72 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: of get the clock moving in terms of on his 73 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: NFL career. Yeah, I just look, I know you want 74 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: to be able to physically protect somebody, um, and that's 75 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of hesitation there to throw Dwayne Haskins 76 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: out there. But they're gonna play the Giants this week, 77 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: and that's the example. You can look at this Giants 78 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: team with did not have a ton of weapons in 79 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: the passing game, a Giants team that with an offensive 80 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: line is not built to pass protect. They still made 81 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: that move and got a young guy out there. And 82 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, I know, it's just a one week sample 83 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: size buck even though he got sacked five times in 84 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: that game. The same issues were there with Eli Manning 85 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: that were there with Daniel Jones. But I think it 86 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: looks like it's a road that leads somewhere. Every game 87 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: you start case Keenum, there's a dead end, you know 88 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like this thing that is not there's 89 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: no future here. So why not start making some of 90 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: those investments and let Dwayne Haskins learn these lessons. He's 91 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: physically tough enough, he's gonna be fine. Uh. You know, 92 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: I understand you want to protect you on quarterbacks. It's 93 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: just different than it was when you were playing. You know, 94 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: when you try to ease guys in and um it 95 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: was a long long term plan here. There's no such 96 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: thing as a long term plan anyway. But build your 97 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: offense around the skill set of Dwayne Haskins and let's go. 98 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing. I wonder if Jake Gruten 99 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: is capable of being able to do that much like 100 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: his brother John. I don't know if you've ever had 101 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: a young quarterback that is flourished under their tutelage. And 102 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: so sometimes it comes down to the verbiage and what 103 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: they are as coaches are very comfortable doing, as opposed 104 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 1: to Hey, you know what, you're uncomfortable kind of running 105 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: an offense that may have some different verbiage or is 106 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: executed a little differently than the way that I prefer. Um, 107 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go there right. I'm gonna do 108 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: my system because that works for me. And maybe that's 109 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: why there's been kind of the long pause and hesitation 110 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: to put Dwayne Haskins on the field. But at some point, 111 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: at some point of this year, halfway through team games 112 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: in UM, Dwayne Haskins to trot out there and then 113 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: they can start the evaluation process. Then I would prefer 114 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: to try and take more games, but I think to 115 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: risk and it's kind of have a set number of 116 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: games and stars that they want Dwayne Haskins to have. 117 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: And one more thing here, I want to go to 118 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: the to the bear side here, Um Taylor Gabriel three 119 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: touchdowns in this game. And I've been harping on this 120 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: a little bit. It's been a little bit of a 121 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: theme for me this season. When you look at the 122 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: teams that have been successful, Um, they've they've got one 123 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: at least one big time speed element. We talked about 124 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: building a basketball team of wide receivers. You want different 125 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 1: skill sets, different sizes, Uh Taylor Gabriel. You know, small 126 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: fast guy. Now, a bunch of these touchdowns were little 127 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: little things underneath. But he has that role for this 128 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: football team as a speed element to this offense, and 129 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: that is an encouraging thing for the Washington Redskins. You 130 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: mentioned Terry McLaren, how he's playing. Uh, he's another one 131 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: with with big time speed. We're seeing DJ Chark do 132 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: some things for the Jacksonville Jaguars, seeing some of these 133 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: young guys uh with big time juice. Mi Coole Hardman 134 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: already filling that role with Tyreek Hill gone. Um I 135 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: just when you look around the league and you see 136 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: an offense with no no real threat, no real speed guy. Man. 137 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: As a general manager, when you take over a team, 138 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: that's like one of the that's one of the pieces 139 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: that should be easy to address. You can find that 140 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: that type of player in the third, fourth, fifth round. 141 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: Just get somebody with some juice. That's the thing you 142 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: have to have. UM, a playmaker. Um you know it's 143 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: it's it's funny because we can have all the creative 144 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: schemes and and and all the motions and shifts and 145 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: all that, but it's all ultimately it's about players. It's 146 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: about guys that can put the ball into paying guys 147 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: that can create those explosive plays. And when you look 148 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: at the Kannas City Chiefs, Kansas City Chiefs have done that. 149 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,679 Speaker 1: They have fast, athletic guys, guys at a home run hitters, 150 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: Guys that were big play artists in college. You look 151 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: at the Chicago Bearts. What Chicago Bearts did last year, 152 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: they went and got some playmakers. You know, they brought 153 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: Gave Roll over from Atlanta, They got Allen Robinson over 154 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: from the Jackson and Jaguar is. This year they come 155 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: and get to Cordarrell Patterson, who's coming. They drafted Tyree 156 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: Tarik Cohen to give them some guys that have some juice. 157 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: And now it's about finding a way to get the 158 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: quarterback comfortable enough where he can just kind of distribute 159 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: a ball to those guys and let them do the work. 160 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: And I think sometimes for quarterbacks it is tough. When 161 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: you've been I won't say you've been coach, so you've 162 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: always heard like, hey, the quarterback is the playmaker. He 163 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: makes all this stuff happen. It's tough to kind of 164 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: take a step back and let the other guys do 165 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: all the work. I think that's the beauty and being 166 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: the quarterback, like you can throw five year passes and 167 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: get credit for sixty five year are games. If those 168 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: guys are explosive, Mr. Bisky and some of these other 169 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks, they just need to trust their young guys. 170 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: Trust those guys in the parameter they're going to make 171 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: them look better, um by the playmaking that they bring 172 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: to the field. And there's one thing you last thought, 173 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: and we'll move on here talking about writing these reports. 174 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: There's only one thing more frustrating than watching your team 175 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: trot out there and lose games and and face a 176 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: long seas and ahead of you. It's to trot out 177 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: there and lose games with old players. Uh. Man, you're 178 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: the team like the Washington Redskins again. Go back to Haskins. 179 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: You've got You've got case keenum handled the ball off 180 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: to Adrian Peterson and I know Darius guys that injury. 181 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: You can't control that. But man, uh, there's nothing that 182 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: gets you excited about the future of this football team 183 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: with what you're watching out there. Even when you're losing games, 184 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: at least you have some hope when you've got some 185 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: young guys You're gonna watch them grow and develop and 186 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: you can imagine what this team can look like down 187 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: the road. It's just I'm trying to find a positive 188 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: I take out of this for the Washington Redskins. I 189 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: don't come up with anything. Man. Yeah, it's tough, man, 190 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: It's is a tough situation. Um when you raise Skins 191 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: and I'm looking, I'm trying to look at their like, 192 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: who are their blue guys like? And people would say 193 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: Josh Norman, But Josh Norman, in my mind, can't play anymore. 194 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: Josh Norman doesn't do anything. He fell into an interception 195 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: last UM last night that was by more so by 196 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: luck and just a bad mistake more so than excellent coverage. 197 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: And every week you see someone uh drumming him on 198 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: a deep route or something like that. And then when 199 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: you come down the line, I don't know who their 200 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: playmakers are on the front seven, Like, who's the difference maker? 201 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: I love rank here, you can rank here. Youkin has 202 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: been a really good player for a long time in 203 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: the league, But I don't know if we still would 204 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: consider him and upper schelon playmaker and so David spending 205 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: a lot of picks. Um, they put capital into both sides, 206 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: But I just don't know to return on the investment. 207 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if they've gotten too kind of returns 208 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: that they thought they would get for those investments. Yeah, 209 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm hopeful. We saw some good things from Montes Sweat. 210 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: You know, I guess maybe if I'm trying to find 211 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: the positive, I'm gonna hang my hat on Montes Wet 212 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: going forward. That he's a you know, he's a dynamic 213 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: young player that they can hopefully build that front around. 214 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: But man, you need more, You need more. This is 215 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: a theme for the Washington Redskins over the years, bringing 216 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: in free agents with big names and in small games. Um, 217 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: they've got it. They've got to build this team back 218 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: through the draft. Get some young, get a young core 219 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: and roll, let him get out there and let him play. Um. 220 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: I look, if if we don't see Dwayne Haskins, if 221 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: we don't see Dwayne Haskins against the Giants, then something 222 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: seriously wrong there. And you either got you either drafted 223 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: the wrong quarterback or you've got the wrong coach. If 224 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: he's not trotting out there against the Giants next, wrong quarterback, 225 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: wrong coach. Fire hot one of the other right, I 226 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: mean with with where this O and three team right now? 227 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: So and three team with no hope, no no juice, nothing. 228 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: So either the quarterbacks just simply not good enough you 229 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: don't trust him, or the head coach is not capable 230 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: of getting him ready to play. It's one or the other, 231 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: because he needs to trot out there. You can't trot 232 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: case Keenum out there. You're oh and three football team. 233 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: Let's see what this kid can do. I mean, I mean, 234 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: I agree, I agree with you. You You can't just keep 235 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: trying him out there because then you go to Colt 236 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: McCoy what once again was to pay off? What does 237 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: the payoff? What does he give you long term? So 238 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: at some point you need to put Haskins out there 239 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: see what he can do. You're already committed to the 240 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: bridge to nowhere. Buckge, go ahead and get you a 241 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: guy and see if he can play. All right, let's 242 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: get into here talking about uh actually before we get 243 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: to the scouting report. So let's just bring in Joel. 244 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: Let's bring in Joel right now, looking forward to talking 245 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: to our good buddy from Fox Sports, the really the 246 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: face of college football for Fox Sports, one of the 247 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: best in the business. Here's our conversation with Joel Clatt. Alright, Buck, 248 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: here he is our buddy, Joel Clatt. Joel, I want 249 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: to get to all these quarterbacks because you've seen a 250 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: bunch of them already this year, and I'm fascinated to 251 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: hear your take. Um, but I want to talk defense 252 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: first with you having carl Ohio State games and looking 253 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: and looking at Chase Young because I want to get 254 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: your take on him. Our buddy Albert Brewer actually sent 255 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: me a text on this, who's obviously Ohio State homer, 256 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: but did bring up a great point that that we're 257 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: gonna chance we're gonna have four out of five years 258 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: or the top defensive player drafted is an Ohio State 259 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: buck Eye the boss right, both Bosas and you have 260 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: Denzel Ward and now it looks like Chase Young. First 261 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: of all, that's an incredible recruiting and developing the Ohio State. 262 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: But second of all, just your take on this kid. 263 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: I think he's the best defensive player in the game 264 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: college game. Um, he's so disruptive every time. So when 265 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: i'm you know, there are guys that can that can produce, 266 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: Like let's say so right now, Chase Young has seven sacks. 267 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: There are guys that and you guys know of these 268 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: types in the NFL in college that like, those are 269 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: the only seven plays he's affected the game all year. 270 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: You know there are guys like that. He's the exact opposite. 271 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: He affects the game in a positive fashion for Ohio 272 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: State on every single snap. He's really good in the 273 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: run game. He's stronger than you would think. Um he 274 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: gets doubled all the time. And here's the thing, it's 275 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: like very Bond Circuit two thousand and one. He gets 276 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: one or two fastballs a game to hit, and he 277 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: used to hit the ballpark and hit him out of 278 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: the ballpark for seventy three home runs. Chase gets singled 279 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: up like one or two times a game, and it's 280 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: like Sam Sack. He beats people so quickly to the top. 281 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: He's got great leverage at the top, great speed, he closes, 282 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: he understands how to rush the passer. He's a terrific player. 283 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: And there's no doubt in my mind that I think 284 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the top defensive player taken. And by 285 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: the way, they might have the top corner taken as well. 286 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: Because Jeffrey Okuda on the outside is playing really Yeah, 287 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: he's a stud as well. And and DJ and Bucky 288 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: You'll love this. He's physical, he's willing in the physical 289 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: part of the game on the outside. So they might have, 290 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, the top secondary player depending on what Delpitt 291 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: does for the rest of the year, and and the 292 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: top front seven player. And if you go back over 293 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: four years, they've had more defensive players taken in the 294 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: first round than anybody in in college football. You know, 295 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: eight over the last four years. That's more down Alabama. No, 296 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: it's not. That is an unbelievable running Quickly, I want 297 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: to go back to Chase Young because you talked about 298 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: me in the number one defender maybe number one defending 299 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: in college football. Quickly, if you had to compare him 300 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: to the bosses Joey and Nick, where would Chase kind 301 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: of fall. And if we did a comparison to three 302 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: of those guys, Um, you know this is gonna sound crazy, 303 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: but you would probably value Chase a little higher because 304 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: he's got more length. Um, you know, those guys were 305 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: so explosive guys, and you know and and DJ. You 306 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: see it every Sunday, the leverage that the bosses play 307 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: with is incredible. UM and Nick maybe even more so 308 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: than Enjoy because of how low he can play to 309 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: the ground. So Chase doesn't quite do that, but his 310 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: his leverage is is something and and that heightened length 311 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: is something that's so valuable. Um. And yet he moves 312 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: so well in space as well. I would probably say, um, 313 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: it's comparable, but very different. And the deal is that Chase, 314 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: I would say, is is just a longer, smoother mover 315 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: and those Bosa brothers were probably just more explosive and 316 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: short areas. I want to go to the quarterbacks. Now, 317 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: enough defense, Okay, Joe, let's get back to the offensive 318 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: side of the ball. Uh. Looking at the quarterback position, 319 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: I mean maybe I guess, I guess you have to say. 320 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: The most intriguing, you know college football storyline is the 321 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: Oklahoma quarterbacks. I mean, you go number one back to 322 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: act years and then you bring in Jalen Hurts and 323 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: it was almost like, okay, well that now their string 324 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: of not only number one overall picks, but first round 325 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: picks and maybe even draft picks. Maybe it's all over. 326 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: Now you bring in Jalen Hurts, They're just gonna run 327 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: him around a little bit change their offense, and I 328 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: flip on the TV and I'm like, Nope, that's the 329 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: that's the same Oklahoma that we've seen. Just keep taking here. 330 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean, tell me about just your opinion on the 331 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: growth you've seen from Jalen Hurtson and what do they 332 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: say about him there at Oklahoma. Okay, so, Um, the 333 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: growth has been outstanding. He's a different player than he 334 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: was at Alabama. And I think a lot of that 335 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: has to do with what you're asked to do. Um, 336 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: quite quite honestly, Um, guys, we know that there are 337 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: certain coaches and systems that that require a quarterback to 338 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: play a very specific role, and and that role tends 339 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: to be, you know, don't turn the ball over, make 340 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: sure that we're making correct decision upunt is a good play, 341 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: so on and so forth. And when Jalen was the 342 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: quarterback at Alabama and actually starting, they were more in 343 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: that mold than what they are now. Remember they kind 344 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: of morphed with twa into what is now an offense 345 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: that's going to sling it around and last year led 346 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: the nation and touchdown passes with fifty two. So Um, 347 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: Jalen feels a little burned by that, and and he 348 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: wants to prove that if given the freedom to go 349 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: cut it loose, he can do similar things. And and 350 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: Lincoln talked to me a lot in the spring about 351 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: trying to get him to free himself from that um 352 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: that that style of play that was constantly trying to 353 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: be conservative into a mold where he's going to go 354 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: out there, cut it loose and try to make big plays. 355 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: And he's done that, and he's done that really well, 356 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: and he's he's taken that upon himself to put himself 357 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: in that In that mode, he's very different than the 358 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: previous two Oklahoma quarterbacks. He's more of a between the 359 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: tackles runner than those two. So they're they're planning quarterback 360 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: runs to a greater degree with him than they have 361 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: in the past. Uh twofold one. He's a little more 362 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: sturdy in particular than Kyler Murray. Um. He's very athletic, 363 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: but also they're very happy with the depth behind him 364 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: and Tanner Mordecai as well as Spencer Rattler. So I 365 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: know that that sounds kind of like gladiator s that 366 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: kind of like, hey, we're okay if he goes down, 367 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: But that's one of the things right. I mean, that's 368 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: why Ohio State's not gonna put justin fields in a 369 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: position to get hurt because they don't have depth. Meanwhile, 370 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: Oklahoma does, so you're going to continue to see hurts 371 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: in that quarterback designed run. Um. The one thing that 372 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: I do find interesting is that as Kyler and Baker 373 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: perform in the NFL, that is going to affect positively 374 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: or negatively Jalen hurts his stock um depending on how 375 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: they develop. Um It. We've talked about this even right 376 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: before we started here. Guys, Oklahoma gets guys wide open. 377 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: I mean, Lincoln Riley provides some absolute bunnies for his 378 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: quarterback and he's brilliant at doing that, and he needs 379 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: to continue to do that. That's not available to you 380 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: at the next level. You've got to step in and 381 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: make really tight window throws on time and on target. 382 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: You know, that's the That's the equation I always use 383 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: on on time and on target. And that's the one 384 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: area that I think Jalen needs to grow with because 385 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: when I used to watch Kyler and Baker man that 386 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: ball was out. They used to throw the ball on time, 387 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: they were accurate, and Jalen still holds, holds it for 388 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: a beat and and right, listen, that's not a knock. Right. 389 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: He's only been in this system for a few months now, 390 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: so he's starting to learn and the timing is usually 391 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: the last thing to come into that. So, um, he's 392 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: certainly a terrific player. And if I had to vote 393 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: right now, I would vote him as my Heisman Trophy winner. 394 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy, but that's what I have 395 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: to do. He's balling, He's balling. He is absolutely balling. 396 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: And one of the common denominators that has typically taken 397 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,719 Speaker 1: place when one of the Oklahoma quarterbacks wins the Heisman 398 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: to have a talented wire receiver that makes plays for them. 399 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb is a big time player. What have you 400 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: seen for man when you watched the tape? Well right now, 401 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: not a not a ton because there's so much coverage 402 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: rolled to him. But in general, Buck, he's a guy 403 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: that I thought last year was actually a more consistent 404 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: wide receiver than even Hollywood. Hollywood was a phenomenal player, 405 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: and he is playing great with Baltimore and he can 406 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: take the top off the defense. But when you need 407 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: that big third down catch, when you need a guy 408 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: that understands space, time, the ability to catch the ball 409 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: in traffic, strong hands. Ceedee Lamb was was the guide 410 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: that they went to um and he will continue to 411 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: be during the course of this season. Like I said, 412 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: coverage has been rolled to him so significantly during the 413 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: first portion of this season that he's not got the 414 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: production that some of the other great receivers around the 415 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: country have gotten. But it will come. There's there's no 416 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: doubt about it. His ability to to make plays in 417 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: tight spaces I think sets him apart even from some 418 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: of the other great receivers around the country because as 419 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: we know in in the NFL, that's virtually every catch 420 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: is some sort of contested catch, UM, and you've got 421 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: to be really strong at that catchpoint, UM, d J. 422 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: You and I have talked a long a long time 423 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: about the wide receivers that are successful in the postseason, 424 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: And when you look at the catches that are made 425 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: in the postseason, very few times are guys running free 426 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: down the field, easy go route, so on and so forth. 427 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: They are tough, contested over the middle, third down, at 428 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: the markers, do you catch it or do you not 429 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: catch it? And for me and my money, Ceedee Lamb 430 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: is one of the best in college football in that 431 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: moment um, and that's what I'm expecting during the course 432 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: of the season as this thing rolls along. Well, I 433 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: want to ask you more about some some players as 434 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: we look at them at the college level and how 435 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: they project to the NFL. And we don't really usually 436 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: get into the whole, you know, game by game what's 437 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: going on with teams. But I sorry, selfishly, what is Michigan? 438 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: Please explain? Oh gosh, oh gosh, wow, my gosh, that was. 439 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: I feel like you just pulled the pin out of 440 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: a gred nave and handed it to me right then. 441 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: I mean, so I said, it was more embarrassing that 442 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: app State. I thought, you know, and I went to 443 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: app State, but I thought app State, Look, we had 444 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: an undersized, fast team. We ran around Michigan and they 445 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: could still hold on to their pride that we're big 446 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: and physical and strong. This was this is what you 447 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: do in Wisconsin. Pulverized them at the line of sturmage 448 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 1: in that game. It was not even close. Okay, So 449 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,239 Speaker 1: I did last year's Ohio State game. You know, they 450 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: gave up sixty points. I can almost explain that away. 451 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: One of their start. One of their starting corners was hurt, 452 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: and they were going up against three guys that all 453 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: ran sub four four in the NFL combine. They were 454 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: trying to run man coverage. That's just a bad matchup, 455 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, and you kind of tip your cap. They 456 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: still scored over thirty points, you know, I mean, really 457 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: bad matchup. Then they had some starters sit out in 458 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: the bowl game. They got beat by Florida. But this, 459 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, they threw the baby out with 460 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: the bathwater as it relates to their offensive sist them. 461 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: I know that they think that, you know, this caters 462 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: more to who they are from a quarterback and wide 463 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: receiver standpoint, but they have completely lost their identity on 464 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: the offensive line. Their offensive line play was atrocious last weekend, 465 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: and I was trying to point that out as best 466 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: you can on a television broadcast, which is difficult to 467 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: do in general. Um, as you guys know, but the 468 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are getting hit on virtually every single passing snap. Um. Granted, 469 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: they held the ball a couple of times too long, 470 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: but I mean simple stunts that Michigan couldn't pick up, 471 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: running into each other, not staying on blocks, they couldn't 472 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: run the football. It was I mean, it was borderline 473 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: a travesty of what we what we saw out there, 474 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: and and eventually the defense I just felt like kind 475 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: of like it was Katie Barr the door. You know. 476 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: They were like, well, our offense sucks. You know, what 477 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: are we gonna do standing in there against Tyler Beads 478 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: and these Wisconsin offensive linemen, and Wisconsin just killed them. 479 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: They pulverized him. But here's the other part that I 480 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: think is getting overlooked because Michigan sucks the air out 481 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: of the room in the conversation. I think Wisconsin is 482 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: really good. Guys, like really good. The defense is sensational. 483 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: There's a guy that I think could project in the 484 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: early first round Jim Leonards, a stud and Zack Bond 485 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: the outside linebacker. I think he's a guy that we're 486 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: gonna be talking about in April. That's a potential first 487 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: round outside rusher. Um he's really really good on their defense. Meanwhile, 488 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: on the offensive side, I think the best running back 489 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: in college football is Jonathan Taylor, and when they have 490 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: any semblance of balance, they're really dangerous. And Jack Comb 491 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: their quarterback. When you watch him play he does a 492 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: couple of things really well. Okay, so when you're gonna 493 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: when you're Wisconsin and you're gonna just run the football 494 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: and run it as as much as they do, you've 495 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: got to have a quarterback that can get you back 496 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: on schedule if and when you're in second and ten, third, 497 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: and you know, seven plus. This dude throws the ball 498 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: on time, on target every single time they're off scheduling, 499 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: get them back on schedule. He can take shots down 500 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: the field. He was really smart with the ball. He's 501 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: got enough athleticism that when you play cover to man, 502 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: he took it and and exploited that for a touchdown. 503 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: Wisconsin is gonna be a tough out. I gotta tell 504 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: you that I was way more impressed with with Wisconsin. 505 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: And I think most people are alluding to around the country. 506 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: And this is what you know me, I'll get on 507 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: a tangent. This is what drives me nuts about how 508 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: the football polls. If you were to actually just evaluate 509 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: to play on the field this season, Wisconsin would being 510 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: the top three in the country. There's no doubt about it, 511 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: you know. But but we allow ourselves to be Yeah, 512 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: we we beholden to our preseason predictions and biases, and 513 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: Clemson wouldn't be the number one team the country if 514 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: we're just evaluating games today. Trevor Lawrence has been pretty average, 515 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: to be honest with you. And Wisconsin's defense is sensational, 516 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: number one in the country. They got a great running game. Um, 517 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: so yeah, them in Ohio state. I think people are 518 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: are overlooking right now. All right, this is like a 519 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: little selfish thing about Wisconsin. I'm trying to figure out, 520 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: Like Julia, everyone on the outside always talks about how 521 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: Wisconsin doesn't have athletes, they don't have this, they don't 522 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: have that. But every year they seem to be a 523 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: team that's vying for the big for the big entitle. 524 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: What is it about Wisconsin that enables them to be 525 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: a team that always gets it done or it is 526 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: close to getting it done without having a level talent everywhere? Well, um, 527 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: that's a great question. They are uniquely aware of exactly 528 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: how they want to win football games. Um. That is 529 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: an underrated trait um throughout the sport either level, and 530 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: and everybody has about the same schematics. But it's that 531 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: there's an understanding of how who your team is, how 532 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: you're going to recruit. And so when you look at 533 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: how they recruit based on what they can recruit to 534 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: their school with their you know, local recruiting base. They 535 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: can get offensive linemen, Um, they're always going to get 536 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: a good running back. Um. They need to find a 537 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: serviceable quarterback that can keep them balanced to some degree. Uh. 538 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: And then they kind of piece together these these defenses 539 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: with underside yet fast, quick, aggressive secondary players. And then 540 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: those edge players at Wisconsin are always always under recruited, 541 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: overachievers with high motors on the edge, don't you agree. 542 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: I mean that when you guys are evaluating Wisconsin play, 543 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: are always their edges are always really firm. They they 544 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: they they have the best edges in college football, I 545 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: would argue because of the style of defense that they 546 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: play over the years. Um. And so to me, it 547 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: comes down to identity buck, you know, and they know 548 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 1: exactly how they want to win, why they end up winning, 549 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: and then they employ that blueprint as well as anybody 550 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: out there. And then also I think Paul Chris is 551 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: an underrated coach, and partly because he's not a big personality, 552 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: but he's a really really good football coach knows uh, 553 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. They've got a good staff. They 554 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: don't generally lose assistant coaches. Um. Their staff was intact 555 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: from a year ago. So UM and then Jim Leonard. 556 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: I think as as a star, he brings out an 557 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: NFL style defense in there, um and eventually he's going 558 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: to be a head coach pretty soon. I would actually 559 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: be really surprised with his background. Guys, you might know 560 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: this better than I. He's going to get an opportunity 561 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: this offseason, either in college as a headman or in 562 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: the NFL as a defensive coordinator. I would be really 563 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: shocked if someone in the NFL didn't look at him 564 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: and say, hey, with his background, what he's doing at Wisconsin, 565 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: we could certainly use a guy like that. Yeah, I 566 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: was around Jim with the Ravens. You know, he was 567 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: there with with Rex and all those guys, so that 568 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: whole you know, Rex, Ryan, Mike Petton, um DT, Bucky's buddy, 569 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: Dennis Starman was there at the time. There was a 570 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: lot of great defensive coaches that went on to become 571 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: head coaches and and and quality defensive coordinators. The NFL 572 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: VIC Fangio was even around at that point in time, 573 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: so Jim has been around a lot of smart football 574 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: guys and was a great player as an undersized player 575 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: there in the secondary during his NFL career. So I'm 576 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: with you, Joe. I think he'll get a shot as 577 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: a head coach in college or he'll be a coordinator 578 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: at the NFL level very quickly. I won't keep you 579 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: too much longer. I do want to ask you about 580 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. I know, uh, I don't know you can 581 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: get a chance to see l s U in person live, 582 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: but obviously knowing all the folks at Ohio State and 583 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: studying the college game as you do. Um, just how 584 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: shocking you talk about the transformation of Jalen Hurts. But 585 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: just this is you talked about not taking a small 586 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: leap here for Joe Burrow. This is like a totally 587 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: dude the way he's playing this year. Yeah, I think 588 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: that that One of the things when it comes to 589 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: quarterback play that we don't talk about enough is development one. 590 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: And then also who's your coach. The marriage and relationship 591 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: between fit and and play at the quarterback position is 592 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: it's like hand and glove, you know. Um. And so 593 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: when Joe Brady came from the Saints UH to be 594 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: their passing game coordinator. I think that that was a 595 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: big deal because it was so elementary what they were 596 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: trying to do in the passing game for for l 597 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: s U. And again, one of these programs like don't 598 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: turn the ball over, we're gonna run it, We're gonna 599 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: play great defense, so on and so forth, and and 600 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: they've transformed into a team that's going to use their 601 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: athletes on the outside. And then also when I do 602 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: talk with people at Ohio State that were around Joe, 603 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: they said, listen, we would have been thrilled with Joe 604 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: Burrow as our quarterback. Dwayne was just better. And guys, 605 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: you you evaluated Dwayne Haskins, he was one of the 606 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: great throwers of the football that we've seen in college 607 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: in a long time. So this is one of those 608 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: embarrassment of riches where it's like Joe Burrow was not 609 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: a bad player, he got beat out by a great player. 610 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: Then he went he got into a system where he 611 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: did the best he could last year. Now he's got 612 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: a great fit with a coach that brings an NFL 613 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: system from passing game standpoint to L s U, and 614 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: he's flourishing Um and it's his second year really as 615 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: a full time starter. I always thought that that second year, 616 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: that growth did you get from a the ninth start 617 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: of your career on is when you really start to 618 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: understand the game. And that's what we're seeing with Joe. 619 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: You coupled out with the athletes that they have and 620 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: h and also they need it. They they're not the 621 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: same on the defensive line and on the defensive side. 622 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: So this is a point where it's kind of need based. 623 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: They're not gonna be beating Alabama seventeen four team this year. Uh. 624 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: If they're gonna beat Alabama, it's gonna be so um. 625 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: It's it's also a need based type of thing, you know, Joel, 626 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: like last thing for me, Um, I know you haven't 627 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: had a chance to really see Alabama up close and personal, 628 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: but everyone is fascinated by the quarterback to and how 629 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 1: they've opened up this offense and really given him the key, 630 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: the keys to the kingdom. When you look at too 631 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: and when you look at this offense from Afar, what 632 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: do you see when you look at to him? I 633 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: see a guy that understands where to throw the football. 634 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: He's very accurate. He throws the ball on time. He 635 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: throws a terrific deep ball, and he's got elite wide 636 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: receivers on the edge, and these guys win in a hurry. 637 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean they are really good. Um. And and there's 638 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: some great wide receivers out there. You know, Lavisca Chanalta 639 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: Colorado is a great wide receiver. Uh, Ceedee Lamb is 640 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: a great wide receiver. Um. You know Colin Johnson at Texas. Oh, 641 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: how State's got some really good wide receivers. But I 642 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: would say, I mean, even Michigan, they've got three really 643 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: good receivers. But as a group, just the explosive that 644 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: Alabama team, I wouldn't I wouldn't know where to start 645 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: from a secondary perspective. So on every play, he's going 646 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: to have at least two elite wide receivers with an 647 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: unbelievable favorable matchup and and he exploits the and and 648 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: they allow him to do that. So that's what I 649 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: see from their offense. Now. Their run game is not 650 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: what it has been in the past, their defense is 651 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: not what it's been in the past. They're young, they're 652 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: banged up in the as far as injuries go, and 653 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: so this is a different team um and and a 654 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: team that's gonna have to outscore some folks. That l 655 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: s U Alabama game is going to be the most 656 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: interesting and unique LSU Alabama game that we've ever seen, because, 657 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 1: like I said, it would not shock me. We just 658 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: get I mean, if we're gonna get into it like 659 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: a Big twelve style shootout, and it'll be hilarious to me. 660 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: All these people in the sec that you know just 661 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: rip on the Big twelve. When l s U Alabama 662 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: is fifty, they're gonna be like, that's the greatest game 663 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: we've ever seen. Uh so good. Hey, Joe, I do 664 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: want to I do want to get on a serious 665 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: note here as we wrap up, because you know, we've 666 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: known each other for a long time and you always, 667 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, you feel like you know somebody in the 668 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: in the path that they've traveled, but you you might 669 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: not know what's going on, you know kind of underneath 670 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: underneath there you know the struggles that exist, that the 671 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: the trials and the tribulations that they go through. And 672 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: I was, you know, trying to listen to some other 673 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: things see if I get ready for this interview, and 674 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: trying to learn more about Joe and honestly, Honestly, Bucky, 675 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you when you listen to this 676 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: clip right here. Um, I had no idea how difficult 677 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: his life really has been. I think if you roll 678 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: the clips, we'll get a feel for that. It's such 679 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: a depressing moment because I'm so excited for the season, 680 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: right I really am, and I love what I do. 681 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,239 Speaker 1: But I walked away from the course Friday when it 682 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: was and I I was like, this is it Andy, 683 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: Kevin is about to explode? Yes, and so you know, 684 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: I might play, might play, I would say between I 685 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: don't know, four and six times the rest of the 686 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: football season. So it's definitely sad. Yeah, there you go. 687 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: That's from the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon the podcast there 688 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: and that's Uh, that tells you. I mean to see Joel. 689 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: I mean going through this man, the fact you can 690 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: only play a emitted amount of golf during the football season. 691 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: I'll be praying for you, man. You're you're You're in 692 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: my thoughts. Appreciate. I wore my pine Hurts to have 693 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: one golf shirt. I wore it for you, my pine Hurst. 694 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 1: You did. That's really nice, just for you. That's a 695 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: nice I've not I've not played Pinehurst. Um, you know, sadly, 696 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: I know we're we're poking fun. Um, that's absolutely true. 697 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: I almost shed it walking away. Guys. Oh man, the 698 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: Golf Force is like a sanctuary. I love it so much. Yeah, 699 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: I haven't been able to play much. You had a 700 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: great job, buddy. You did a great job on the corbage. 701 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: I don't watch a ton of golf. But here's how 702 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: I know you did a great job because when I 703 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: when I flipped and I heard your voice, I was like, okay, 704 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: friendly voice, And then I don't know anything about you 705 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: really actually sound like you do if you faked it? 706 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean, don't you really faked it? Well, man, it 707 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: was impressive. I listen, there are some things that I fake. Um, 708 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: we all do in this industry at times. You know, 709 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: you go on a radio interview and like, well, you know, 710 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: I listen to you know, somebody you know it texts 711 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: you and you're like, hey, can you go on with 712 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: you know, Barton, Jimmy and and Tennessee. And then they 713 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 1: ask you some obscure question about you know what talk Yeah, yeah, 714 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: and you're like and you give some really you know 715 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: answer about like well, you know, it's it's really about 716 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: working hard and having a sense of urgency and and 717 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, you start throwing out the cliches. So we 718 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: all we all do that from time to time. But 719 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: I did not have to do that with golf. And 720 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: the reason is I play a copious amounts of golf 721 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: in the off season. It's like the day after the draft. 722 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm at the course every single day. Oh man, So 723 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: there you go. That's that is so good. That is 724 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: so good. Way, hey Buck, you know we can have 725 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: a little prayer vigil for him for him he can 726 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: get back out there on the course. So fun. Well, 727 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: that's the problem is I don't play enough for the 728 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: handicap to adjust, but then my game gets worse. And 729 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: then this is what you really gotta pray for me. 730 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: And when I do get back on the course, I'm 731 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: giving too many shots from where my game is at, 732 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: so my wallet just gets killed the first Oh that 733 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: is awesome, hey buddy, it's great to catch up with you. Man. 734 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: I know you're Scotch all over the country chasing these 735 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: great college football games which everybody can see on Fox. 736 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: I love what you guys are doing. You got the new, 737 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: the New pregame show leading up to those big new kickoffs. 738 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 1: It's it's been a lot of fun and and you're 739 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: due for some big time close good matchups. They're they're ahead. 740 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: I promise you, maybe not this week. I didn't say 741 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: that out loud, did he? Alright? So good, Hey, Red Raiders, 742 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: little little bulletin board material. I appreciate, thanks, buddy. Alright, alright, 743 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 1: but great to catch up with Joel uh Man. He's 744 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: one of the things that I love about Joel is 745 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: his passion. You can feel his passion when you talk 746 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: to him. He loves the college football game and uh, 747 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: nobody works harder at it, nobody uh understands it quite 748 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: as well as he does. Wonderful job. I think when 749 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: you look at college football and the way it's covered today, 750 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: when you have guys like Kirk curb Street, Joel Klatt, Uh, 751 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: when you see our buddy Brady Quinn does a great job. 752 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: M Brock Humory, it is it's I love sitting on 753 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: the couch on a Saturday and watching the way the 754 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: games covered. There's there's so many good watches where you 755 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: get good football and you get guys that really are 756 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: passionate about it and Um, I know what they're talking about. Yeah, 757 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's great, you know. Um, the announcement that 758 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: we have, Uh, I think are so informative in educational, 759 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: Like I think when I watched the game, I come 760 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: away uh learning something. Jeel certainly is a part of 761 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: the process, like his insight, um, his connections in terms 762 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: of what he's able to kind of take from the 763 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: coaches and share to the masses, his unbelievable ability just 764 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: kind of see the game as to being played out. 765 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: I love watching the game. And then also my man Gus, 766 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: who kind of brings a little excitement and flair to 767 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: whatever game there. And but you're right, there a lot 768 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: of young analysts that do a great job of kind 769 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: of shaping the game. And I'm excited each and every 770 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: Saturday to kind of watch it and here and learn 771 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: walk away with something that I didn't have before. All Right, 772 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: this is something that I know people have asked about, 773 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: and uh, we're gonna try and help some folks out 774 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: here because there's a lot of people that want to 775 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 1: go into the scouting community are very fascinated by it. Uh. So, Buck, 776 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: let's talk about writing a report. H what what is 777 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: your formula. Everybody has a different way of doing it. 778 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: But what's the way that you like to attack right 779 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: and report? You know, it's funny. So the way that 780 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: I was taught like stems from the round wolf tree. 781 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: And um, the very first thing that you have to 782 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: do is when you think about the opening line. The 783 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: opening line I was taught should be basically a one liner. 784 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: It should be a one senate summary of the player 785 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: that you're talking about. And so, um, if I was 786 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: white about Dania Jeremiah coming out of Appalachian status, uh, 787 00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: Dania Jeremiah is a do a threat quarterback with excellent athleticism, leadership, poise, 788 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: and a winning pedigree. And then from that one liner, 789 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: by the way, appreciate how about that? How about that? 790 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: I feel like I should be nice. It's a state week, Um, 791 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm um. So so then I would go from that 792 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: to then really describing you in different sections. So for me, 793 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: I go to quit one line summary like, hey, this 794 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: is who he is. And the reason I put that 795 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: one line summary right there is if a coach asked 796 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: me right away, who is blank? I want to be 797 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: able to just have something highlighted and say, this is 798 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: who this guy is you know, then after that I 799 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 1: go Athleticism to me comes under that like a long 800 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: range e athlete, explosive, dynamic, um, anything that I know 801 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to his speed, I kind of put 802 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: that in there. And then I tend to with all 803 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: positions work, run game, pass game. I'll try if I 804 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: have something in the holster like a comparison, and then 805 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: I will give the expectation for what I expect this 806 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: player to be for this team and in the league. 807 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: And so if we're talking about like not you, but 808 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: we go to a running back, UM, you're talking about 809 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:17,240 Speaker 1: Look six ft um, very explosive, looks like he runs 810 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: mid four or five speed. As a runner, He's tough, physical, 811 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: does a great job running inside. Um, I think he's 812 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: at his best when he runs between the tackles on 813 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 1: these plays outside. He has a speed to turn the corner. 814 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,760 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Pass game, excellent 815 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: pass catcher out the backfield, terrific route runner, can run 816 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: option routes. I'll describe what kind of stuff that he 817 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: does in the passing game and pass protection. He's stout 818 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,800 Speaker 1: and sturdy, sixes nos knows up in there, he's not 819 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: afraid to put his face upon the fan against oncoming blitzers. UM. 820 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: In general, when I look at this player, he reminds 821 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: me of whoever that may be, Brian Westbrook Blase Blase. 822 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: I can see similarities in their game because of their 823 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: frames and whatever. In a perfect world for us, he 824 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: comes in, he's a starter right away, he contributes. He 825 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: ends up being one of our blueship players down the 826 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: line in the league. I could see him being a 827 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: blankety blankety blankety blank. That's kind of how my reports go. 828 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: Like to try and be short at we try and 829 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: eliminate a lot of the fluff, but you just want 830 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: to get right to the point, no doubt. And in 831 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: the actual scouting report, and we have to fill these 832 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: out on the computer. UM, there's a lot more information 833 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: that goes in that. And then at the end of 834 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,919 Speaker 1: the scouting report is what we're discussing right now, which 835 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: is your summary. And so when you're in meetings, I 836 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: know we did a little bit differently, Buck, So we 837 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: would actually read our summary UM over every player in 838 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: the meetings, whereas some teams would just kind of have 839 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: an informal discussion and it was all there on the 840 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: form and on the paper. Um, but when when you 841 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: fill out all the information, when you're in the meeting, 842 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: for the most part, you're just reading your summary. And 843 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: so to me, the summary, this is how I approached it. 844 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: And we were given a little bit of freedom and 845 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of leeway, um to be able to 846 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: kind of be create of how you wanted to do it. 847 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: But the way I did it, um, this is how 848 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: I started. I started every report with the number of 849 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: years a player has started. So you know Bucky Brooks 850 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: is a three year starter. Uh, then it's the position. 851 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: He's a three year starter at wide receiver for the 852 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: Tar Heels. So that would kind of tell you, okay, 853 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: this is he started this number of years at this 854 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: position at this school. And then immediately I would go 855 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 1: from that to where he lines up. Now, if you're 856 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, you're a you know, off the ball linebacker, 857 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,720 Speaker 1: he's a you know, he's a he lines primarily lines 858 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,720 Speaker 1: up as a nose tackle in this defense. Um, he's 859 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: he's primarily a slot corner. Um. But just give you 860 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: a visual. Okay, I know how many years he started, Um, 861 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: I know what position he plays, I know where he 862 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: lines up That's how I start every report, so that 863 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: if somebody reads my report and they want to watch 864 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 1: that player as soon as they get to play one, 865 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: they know where he's gonna be, so they know where 866 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: to find him. He's the right corner UM, so they 867 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: can find him on tape. Then I would go into 868 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: the building the body type. You know, he's a tall, lean, 869 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: athletic um, you know, wide receiver. He's a you know, 870 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: uh uh a long, long, levered, high waisted, you know whatever, 871 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: offensive tackle. So you kind of give a visual and 872 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 1: again paint that picture of what his building body type 873 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: looks like. That's at the top really of every summary 874 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,720 Speaker 1: that I do. And then we start getting into the football. 875 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 1: And the way I have done the football part of 876 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: it is with it being a passing league. I always 877 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: just thought it made more sense. Let's describe what this 878 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: guy does in the passing game. I don't care if 879 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: you're a quarterback, UM, running back, a defensive tackle, whatever, 880 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: if it's a defensive tackle, all right, against the pass 881 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,800 Speaker 1: um he primarily UM is an upfield He's an upfield rusher, 882 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: relies on quickness more than strength. You know, what does 883 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: he do with his hands? You know, just describing going 884 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: through the play from the start of the play to 885 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: the end of the play against the past, and then 886 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: I'll flip it over and then how does he do 887 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,800 Speaker 1: against the run? And you start describing what you're seeing 888 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: from him from the beginning of the snap to the 889 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,919 Speaker 1: end of the snap. UM, So pass game, then run game, 890 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 1: and then I like to incorporate it within those two sections. 891 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: You try and do it. If you don't, then afterwards, 892 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: I want to make sure in every summary I have 893 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 1: mentioned of his his athletic ability, how he his movement, 894 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: and then his effort. So you know if in the 895 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: run game he gives outstanding effort from the backside his 896 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: chase player, um, you know, and you talk about his 897 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: athleticism when he drops in coverage. Those are the two 898 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,320 Speaker 1: areas I want to make sure that I hit in 899 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: every single report. And then once that's done, I'm projecting 900 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: him for what he's gonna do for us. So I've 901 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: described what he is for his college team, and now 902 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm projecting what he is for us, And and that 903 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: really comes down to a couple of different levels. Is 904 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: he an immediate starter, um? Is he an eventual starter, 905 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: meaning he is gonna start it's just gonna take a 906 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: little time. Is he a potential starter, meaning I think 907 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: that he's kind of in that limbo land. He's got 908 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: a chance to be a starter things go right, He's 909 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: got the potential to be a starter for our football team. 910 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: And then or is he a backup role player? You know, 911 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: for our team. Those are the different kind of we 912 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: would call him. Make it grades that you're giving to 913 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: a player. Um, And that's kind of the formula that 914 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 1: I use when I'm writing that actual summary part of 915 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: the report. So it's funny that you talk about like 916 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: those things where you put him in basically four different buckets. 917 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 1: So the buckets immediate, immedia starter, eventual starter, potential starter, 918 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: and then you had backup. I kind of put that 919 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: in the developmental category. And I think it's important for 920 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: listeners to know, like with each bucket that kind of 921 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: goes with round value. So when you think about an 922 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 1: immediate starter, that immediate starter is your first round players, 923 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: meaning from day one, the expectation that this guy is 924 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: going to be in the starting lineup. He's better than 925 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: what we have. UM, he's a guy that should be 926 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: one of our top twenty two. All of those things 927 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: eventual starter kind of push you on that line, you know, 928 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: second round, maybe top of the third round, but really 929 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: in the second round, meaning it may take a year 930 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,280 Speaker 1: for him to kind of settle in, but the expectation 931 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,280 Speaker 1: is in year two, this guy should be a starter 932 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 1: for us or a key contributor, heavy in the rotation 933 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: with the ones, and then that potential starter. To me, 934 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: that's your your third round guys. There is something about 935 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: them that they may be missing, but they have the 936 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,800 Speaker 1: ability to overcome it, and so I can't quite pencil 937 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,879 Speaker 1: them in to the starting lineup because I still want 938 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: to know about this key ingredient that they may be missing. 939 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,760 Speaker 1: But I think in time and with development, these guys 940 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: will listen. They will be starters, maybe in year two, 941 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: year three, but regardless their key contributors and their special 942 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: teams aces and then everything below that you talk about 943 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: your backup, your special team or is your developmental players 944 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: that fourth round and below those are the guys that 945 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: are missing a key trader too that prevents them from 946 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: being in the top three buckets. They are your guys 947 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 1: that on day three I want to take them. We 948 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: know they need some development. Can they carve out a 949 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 1: role on special teams or in the rotation that gives 950 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: them uh an opportunity to continue to work on their 951 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: trade while they're still contributing in games and maybe in 952 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: year two and three they can kind of find a role. 953 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: But the expectation is it's a long investment for these guys, 954 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: meaning these are developmental guys. They gotta get better in practice. Um, 955 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 1: maybe they can suit up and get a jersey, but 956 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,439 Speaker 1: the hope in the expectation is in year two and three, 957 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: maybe they can find a way to stick around and 958 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 1: eventually be contributors and guys that work their way until 959 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: the starting lineup. And no doubt, and you know, every 960 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 1: numbering system is different around the league, so people have 961 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: grades and the numbers might be different. But really, truthfully, 962 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,359 Speaker 1: you're talking about those same buckets were mentioning here. UH, 963 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,879 Speaker 1: So that don't get carried with the number. If you're 964 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: just getting started. You create your own numbering system. Whatever 965 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: whatever number you want to put on those different buckets 966 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 1: and classify guys, you put them in those buckets and 967 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 1: then uh use whatever number you really want to. But 968 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: in terms of the overall report, um, that's a glimpse 969 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,799 Speaker 1: of the summary and that's really truthfully, if you're not, 970 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: if you're not working with a team, UM, that's that's 971 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 1: all you need. That's all you need to work on 972 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,840 Speaker 1: right there. UM. When you're with a team. This is 973 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,799 Speaker 1: the more detail that you get into and you start 974 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,799 Speaker 1: using the numbering system UM that you will put on 975 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: all these positions specifics UM and this is this is 976 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: all the different Let give you a wide receiver example 977 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: here with Bucky haven't played the wide receiver position. At 978 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 1: the top of the report is a box for background. 979 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: So this is where you're putting where he went to 980 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 1: high school. You know, if he ran track in high school, 981 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: what his times were, you know, YadA YadA, YadA. What 982 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 1: what is he majoring in college? What's his gp A. 983 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 1: That's background. Then you get into character um, which is 984 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,880 Speaker 1: you're talking to all your different sources on a school 985 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 1: visit and get in the background about him. What's his personality, like, 986 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,760 Speaker 1: what's his you know, all those different factors, the mental 987 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 1: side of things. How does he learn? What is he 988 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: how has he done in school? How does he learn football? 989 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: To learn visual learner whatever. Then you get into work ethic, 990 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 1: and that's where you get a lot of stuff from 991 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,919 Speaker 1: the strength coach, get all the strength numbers, how hard 992 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: he works, UM, that's kind of in that overall background section, 993 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: and then you give them some general um general of 994 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: grades here, which is whatever numbering system you use, learning, durability, 995 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 1: UM as an athlete, work habits, character, toughness, coachability, leadership. 996 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: So that's that's all kind of in, you know, kind 997 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 1: of in a background type area. Then you get in 998 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: the position specifics. So for a wide receiver, these are 999 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 1: the different grades you have to put on guys. It 1000 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,840 Speaker 1: was size, production, toughness, dependability, release off the line of scrimmage, 1001 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,439 Speaker 1: quickness in and out of breaks, play, speed, routes, hands, concentration, 1002 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: and traffic. How does he adjust to the ball um kenny, 1003 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: UH fumble, take a hit, basically contact strength, run after catch, 1004 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 1: UM third down value, and then UH effort and finish 1005 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: as a blocker. So, I mean, that is a lot 1006 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,719 Speaker 1: of information you're plugging in there. But at the end 1007 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: of the day, your your summary is what kind of 1008 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,879 Speaker 1: takes the little the morsels from those spots, and that's 1009 00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: what kind of paints the picture for the player. But 1010 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: I want to give everybody bucket idea of how much 1011 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: detail you have to go to when you're working with 1012 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 1: the team to collect information. It's funny that you're talking 1013 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,439 Speaker 1: about like painting a picture. I think the best way 1014 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 1: that it was described to me UM when I was 1015 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 1: coming up and learning, you want to paint the picture. 1016 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,799 Speaker 1: I want to be able to sit on the other 1017 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,319 Speaker 1: side of the room and without the film going, I 1018 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,840 Speaker 1: want to hear DJ reading his report and and and 1019 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,799 Speaker 1: be able to visualize who this player is. And so 1020 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,359 Speaker 1: with the adjectives and descriptions and those things. Is really 1021 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: important that you paint the picture. And then when it 1022 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 1: comes to the other stuff, because like it's one thing 1023 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 1: to get the summary right and to have all of that, 1024 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 1: but the background information and the character stuff is very 1025 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: very important. Being able to take the information that you 1026 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 1: get from the strength coach, UM, the trainers, if you're 1027 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 1: still able to talk to the trainer, UM, the pro 1028 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: liaison and the academic academic advisor, anyone else around the program. 1029 00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: Those things need to be included in the report because 1030 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,240 Speaker 1: us our exposure to prospects so limited that you're really 1031 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,880 Speaker 1: leaning on the opinions of others when it comes to 1032 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: really shaping the background of the player, and so you 1033 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,840 Speaker 1: need your area scouts to really do the heavy lifting 1034 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,799 Speaker 1: when it comes to that. They have to ask the 1035 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: right questions. They have to know UM and build relationships. 1036 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: That's why some UH teams prefer their scouts to live 1037 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,240 Speaker 1: in their areas because they can always go to those schools. 1038 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,400 Speaker 1: Two people get comfortable seeing you there, it then opens 1039 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,160 Speaker 1: up a gateway of communication that allows you to get 1040 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,440 Speaker 1: a little more than some of the other scouts. And 1041 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: it's important because those relationships are going to give you 1042 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 1: an opportunity when something happens. It's going to allow you 1043 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,960 Speaker 1: to pick up the phone and be like, hey, man, 1044 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,239 Speaker 1: what's going on with this kid? We got some last 1045 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,960 Speaker 1: minute information, Like give me the scoop and they'll give 1046 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,399 Speaker 1: you that. And so it's just really important. As much 1047 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,680 Speaker 1: as we talk about the summary, the way the league 1048 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 1: is shifting now everything is about the character and everything 1049 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: is about the background stuff, how they learn UM. Who 1050 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,960 Speaker 1: are their sinners of influence? Meaning we used to always 1051 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 1: ask this question, Hey, when we draft you, who is 1052 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,840 Speaker 1: coming with you to the city, UM, girlfriend, mom, dad, 1053 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: UH family members who are going to be the people 1054 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,279 Speaker 1: that are very very influential in the way that you 1055 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,440 Speaker 1: act and around you. All of that information is gathered 1056 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,919 Speaker 1: from the conversations that you have on campus. Uh, no, 1057 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 1: no doubt. And that's kind of we're talking about evaluating 1058 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,799 Speaker 1: and putting a report together off of college players. Now 1059 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,560 Speaker 1: when people ask what about you know, free agents and 1060 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: once you're in the NFL and guys have been in 1061 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 1: the league, and you write reports on those prospective players, 1062 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: well you're not worrying as much about the background. That's 1063 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,920 Speaker 1: all been handled on the college side. If there's been 1064 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,320 Speaker 1: any arrests or anything like that, obviously you would document 1065 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 1: that in your pro system. But the pro report is 1066 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,360 Speaker 1: basically I I thought I joke about pro scouting. It's like, 1067 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,840 Speaker 1: you just give me the football card. I can do 1068 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: pro scouting. I mean, this is Apple facts. How have 1069 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 1: they done? You know, what's their production? Like? Right? I 1070 00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: mean not trying to project how they're gonna be in 1071 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,759 Speaker 1: the NFL. L Uh, We've seen what they can do 1072 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,960 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Now there is a projection in terms 1073 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,720 Speaker 1: of how he you have to describe how he fits 1074 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,640 Speaker 1: with your scheme and your team, uh, in what role 1075 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,320 Speaker 1: he's going to play. But I believe you know, the 1076 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,120 Speaker 1: comparisons and some people don't like player comparisons I do. 1077 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,280 Speaker 1: I think with pro reports it's essential to compare players 1078 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,799 Speaker 1: to people that are currently on your roster. I don't 1079 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 1: want to pay a free agent to come in if 1080 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,560 Speaker 1: he's not better than the guy already got. Um, so 1081 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm comparing him. He's what, How is he different than 1082 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,480 Speaker 1: a player that's currently playing this position for us right now? 1083 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 1: Is he better or worse? Well, maybe this guy we're 1084 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,920 Speaker 1: gonna let walk because he wants fifteen million bucks. But 1085 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 1: this guy we can get for six million bucks. Okay, 1086 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,680 Speaker 1: he's not as good as the guy that we have, 1087 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: but he can do X, Y and Z, and he's 1088 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,160 Speaker 1: a little bit better in this particular area than the 1089 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,960 Speaker 1: player that we currently have that we're gonna let go. 1090 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,520 Speaker 1: That's to me and the pro scouting, the comparison thing 1091 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,160 Speaker 1: is huge. Yeah, the comparison thing is is huge, um 1092 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,759 Speaker 1: in general, But you're right about the pro scouting thing. 1093 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,240 Speaker 1: And I do believe pro scouting is a little easier 1094 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to the evaluation process to college, and 1095 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 1: college is so much projection. I am trying to project 1096 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,320 Speaker 1: how this guy is going to be in the league. 1097 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,399 Speaker 1: When we're pro scouting, it's really fit in scheme how 1098 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 1: does this player fit in our scheme, How does this 1099 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,680 Speaker 1: player fit on our roster? How does this player compare 1100 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,280 Speaker 1: to other guys on our roster. It is a little 1101 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 1: different than trying to see, hey, this is what Daniel 1102 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 1: Jones is at Duke, this is how he's going to 1103 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,080 Speaker 1: play at the next level, because there's so many variable 1104 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,560 Speaker 1: as they go along with that, and so just understanding 1105 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,160 Speaker 1: the two different roles, the two different paths of the business. 1106 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,799 Speaker 1: Pro scouting is really um apples to apples, what does 1107 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:44,200 Speaker 1: he fit for our squad? College stuff is projecting what 1108 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 1: a player could be as a pro and how he 1109 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,399 Speaker 1: also can fit and develop with our team. And no doubt, um, 1110 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,120 Speaker 1: I thought that was a good, good summary of the 1111 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 1: summary there of what you do when you're trying to 1112 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,640 Speaker 1: put together a scouting report. Hopefully that helps you, guys, 1113 00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,440 Speaker 1: if you're if you're interested in this field at all, 1114 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,440 Speaker 1: and I think Slee, I don't care if you're running 1115 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: a business. I think it's important that you know what 1116 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,560 Speaker 1: you bring into your building. And and that's from what 1117 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 1: makes a person tick to how productive they're gonna be 1118 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,040 Speaker 1: in the role you have for him. So I think 1119 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,760 Speaker 1: that's that's even outside football. That makes a lot of sense. 1120 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,239 Speaker 1: All right, Buck, how about some college kids you've been 1121 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 1: paying attention to. Who do you like? Man? It's tough man. 1122 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,239 Speaker 1: I had a chance to rewatch the L s U game, 1123 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 1: and obviously the quarterback from L s U, Joe Burrow, 1124 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,520 Speaker 1: has been killing it. Um. I just kind of like 1125 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,719 Speaker 1: the guy's toughness. And I can't say that like I 1126 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,400 Speaker 1: went in thinking that, look, he was gonna be an 1127 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,400 Speaker 1: NFL prospect or top NFL prospect. But the way that 1128 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,160 Speaker 1: he is playing in L s u s offense right now, Um, 1129 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,520 Speaker 1: I think he is really on the rise. And I 1130 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,640 Speaker 1: think the best thing, the best traite that he might 1131 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 1: have is his toughness and his leadership ability. Um. When 1132 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,440 Speaker 1: you hear Erban Meyer on TV talk about Joe Burrow 1133 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,080 Speaker 1: and how he was the ultimate competitor at Ohio State 1134 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,360 Speaker 1: and that the competition between he and Dwayne Haskins was 1135 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,919 Speaker 1: a nip and tuck affair and even though he didn't 1136 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,080 Speaker 1: win it, that he left with um great respect and 1137 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,520 Speaker 1: they had great respect for him as a player. And 1138 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,120 Speaker 1: then he goes to L s U and he's surrounded 1139 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,040 Speaker 1: by talent and all he does is elevate the way 1140 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: that l s U has played on offense, and this 1141 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 1: year has been the prime example. The way that he throws, 1142 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,439 Speaker 1: the way he gets the ball out of his hands, 1143 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 1: the way he has commanded this offense. They're playing up 1144 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,879 Speaker 1: tempo and really leaning on him to throw the quick 1145 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,320 Speaker 1: game and put the ball in the hands of his playmakers. 1146 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,959 Speaker 1: He has been killing it. And then I will say 1147 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,920 Speaker 1: in that same game on the other side, Vanderbilt has 1148 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,839 Speaker 1: some interesting players. But the guy that I couldn't take 1149 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,479 Speaker 1: my eyes off what was Keyshawn Vaughan. The running back 1150 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,560 Speaker 1: is a terrific player, terrific playmaker. Had two big runs. Um. 1151 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 1: I like the way that he is able to kind 1152 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,760 Speaker 1: of break out you kind of use the term contact balance. 1153 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,680 Speaker 1: I think his ability to kind of run through those 1154 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,839 Speaker 1: glancing blows, those arm tackles serves will serve him well 1155 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,319 Speaker 1: at the next level. And it's one of the things 1156 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,719 Speaker 1: that I really looked for. And running backs, can you 1157 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,520 Speaker 1: make plays when his muddy and the traffickers around and 1158 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,480 Speaker 1: their bodies around, can you kind of pick your way through, 1159 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 1: um the barb. He can do that, and so I 1160 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,600 Speaker 1: really came away impressed after watching him. No, that's good stuff. Um, 1161 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's somebody I watched him a couple of 1162 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,040 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and he did run hard and makes you 1163 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,520 Speaker 1: to see like a guy like Keyshawn Vaughan. Um, what's 1164 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,720 Speaker 1: gonna happen with him? In comparison to Moss from Utah? 1165 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,240 Speaker 1: You know how those guys slide, slot and fit. I 1166 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 1: think there's some similarities there, uh in their games. One 1167 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 1: player that I had my eyes on on the weekend, 1168 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,040 Speaker 1: Nebile obviously knows very well the stuff he does over 1169 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,600 Speaker 1: there at USC Michael Pittman. Huge game there for the 1170 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 1: Trojans over two hundred receiving yards and again going back 1171 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 1: to that basketball team analogy buck Um, he's gonna be 1172 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,480 Speaker 1: that power forward. And if you watch the Chargers play 1173 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 1: and see how they use a guy like Mike Williams, 1174 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,000 Speaker 1: I think that's that's the type of role you'll see 1175 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,640 Speaker 1: for Pittman. I don't necessarily think he's gonna get drafted 1176 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,280 Speaker 1: as high as Mike was picked. Um, but he's somebody 1177 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,040 Speaker 1: that can be that red zone guy, jump ball guy. Um. 1178 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,880 Speaker 1: Also just you know, just getting him vertical down the field. 1179 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,800 Speaker 1: He's not gonna wow you with his ability to get 1180 00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,160 Speaker 1: in and out. I think Mike might be a little 1181 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,680 Speaker 1: bit better in that area, but this guy is gonna 1182 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,800 Speaker 1: craft a role for a team at the next level 1183 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: because of what he can do. Um So it was 1184 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,160 Speaker 1: fun to watch him compete against Utah in that game 1185 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 1: with the sc playing with their third string quarterback. And 1186 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,040 Speaker 1: then three other names. I kind of put together a 1187 00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,160 Speaker 1: list of names after I make my phone calls and 1188 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 1: this is on my to do list, So every now then, 1189 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,920 Speaker 1: I like telling you guys who I'm going to be watching, 1190 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,600 Speaker 1: so you can keep an eye on and we kind 1191 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,919 Speaker 1: of watch these guys together and kind of learn about him. 1192 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,960 Speaker 1: But Tristan Worth's the tackle from Iowa, has got a 1193 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,840 Speaker 1: lot of buzz talking to folks around the league, so 1194 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,280 Speaker 1: I gotta watch him. Curtis Weaver, edge rusher from Boise 1195 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,720 Speaker 1: State is another one that's generating a lot of buzz 1196 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 1: here with our buddies on the West Coast. And then 1197 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,320 Speaker 1: A J. Terrell the corner from Clemson. Clemson has so 1198 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,560 Speaker 1: many guys, we're gonna see a wave of Clemson players 1199 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,520 Speaker 1: drafted again this year, but in a in this class, 1200 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,760 Speaker 1: it looks like it's gonna be really good at corner. Uh. 1201 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,000 Speaker 1: This kid's got a lot of buzz as well. Yeah, look, 1202 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,800 Speaker 1: you talk about this cornerback lass. There are a lot 1203 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,200 Speaker 1: of intriguing players UM in the class, and and I 1204 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,880 Speaker 1: think we're coming to a point where we're beginning to 1205 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,840 Speaker 1: catch up to some of the offensive players. I think 1206 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,480 Speaker 1: at the lower levels will begin to see some of 1207 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,480 Speaker 1: the better athletes commit to playing defensive back as opposed 1208 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,960 Speaker 1: to just playing wide receiver. And I think that is 1209 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,320 Speaker 1: going to fuel a run on quarterbacks in the next 1210 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,080 Speaker 1: few years where we do see some of the better 1211 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 1: athletes playing that position because what has happened, what had 1212 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,000 Speaker 1: happened in the high school ranch, You had the best 1213 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 1: athletes being your one, two, and three receiver and then 1214 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 1: the fourth guy maybe being a cornerback. And I think 1215 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,360 Speaker 1: we're seeing that kind of shift a little bit. So 1216 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm excited about this class. I'm excited about the running 1217 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,240 Speaker 1: back class. UM got a chance to watch obviously, DeAndre 1218 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,720 Speaker 1: Swift versus Notre Dame and the way that he is 1219 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,920 Speaker 1: just man. He is a dude, and it doesn't take 1220 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,040 Speaker 1: long to figure it out. He can do whatever he 1221 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,600 Speaker 1: wants to do at the running back position. And I'm 1222 00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,960 Speaker 1: just amazed at the University of Georgia is able to 1223 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,880 Speaker 1: just kind of roll these running backs in year after 1224 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,240 Speaker 1: year after year. Um, it's really impressive. And then Alabama. 1225 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,400 Speaker 1: Alabama is interesting because there was a highly decorated recruit, 1226 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,920 Speaker 1: Naja Harris who went there. And Naja Harris has kind 1227 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,480 Speaker 1: of been in the mix. He was a guy who 1228 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,840 Speaker 1: was a critical, like a key contributor in that championship 1229 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,560 Speaker 1: game when two are made to throw Naja Harris and 1230 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,440 Speaker 1: to what came in uh in the late stages of 1231 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,800 Speaker 1: the game and made some plays kind of fell down 1232 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,960 Speaker 1: to depth chart a little bit. Last year he's kind 1233 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,880 Speaker 1: of re emerged his a guy. And I'll say this, um, 1234 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 1: just from watching him personally, like coming up the ranks, 1235 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,120 Speaker 1: he can be a more pivotal player in the past 1236 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,800 Speaker 1: game than he's been used to this point. And it 1237 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,880 Speaker 1: would be interesting to see how he is treated in 1238 01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 1: the scouting community when people have an opportunity to really 1239 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,800 Speaker 1: work him out and kind of see what kind of athlete, 1240 01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,480 Speaker 1: what kind of playmaker he could be at the next level. Well, 1241 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,320 Speaker 1: you got me thinking, because you're talking about a minute 1242 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,880 Speaker 1: ago about seeing so many athletes playing corner. Now you 1243 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,800 Speaker 1: know you have a place where you live like there's 1244 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,439 Speaker 1: a street corner not far from from where I live, 1245 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,800 Speaker 1: where you get the people on both sides of the 1246 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,840 Speaker 1: political thing that that's set out there like on a Saturday, 1247 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,120 Speaker 1: and like hold up signs right whatever their causes, whatever 1248 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,840 Speaker 1: they're into, and they hold up signs, and people on 1249 01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 1: the other side of the argument they kind of you know, 1250 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,960 Speaker 1: bark at each other and all this kind of stuff. Well, 1251 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,600 Speaker 1: this is my campaign that I'm on. Um, I'm thinking 1252 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,080 Speaker 1: about going to this this corner, this street corner and 1253 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,439 Speaker 1: holding up this sign for all the young kids out there. Buck, 1254 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can see it here. Just 1255 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,400 Speaker 1: play cornerback, yes, play play stop. Just stop playing receiver. 1256 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Trust me on this thing. Your chances of getting a 1257 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 1: college scholarship and pursuing your football career if you're an athlete, 1258 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,320 Speaker 1: is better at that position than it is at wide receiver. 1259 01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,680 Speaker 1: But so many these kids, they haven't wanted to hear it. Buck, 1260 01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,840 Speaker 1: I preach it. It's my gospel everywhere I go. If 1261 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,080 Speaker 1: I talked to high school kids, uh, and I see 1262 01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,200 Speaker 1: athletes out, what do you what position you play? I played? 1263 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,040 Speaker 1: You know, play wide out, you play corner? Now just 1264 01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,480 Speaker 1: wide receiver? Switch ask your coach, you can play corner 1265 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,640 Speaker 1: that long. That list in that line of players at 1266 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 1: the receiver position is a country mile long, and people 1267 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,200 Speaker 1: are starving for corners. So that's just my that's my campaign, 1268 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,360 Speaker 1: that's my mission. No, it's funny that you say that, DJ, 1269 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,280 Speaker 1: because I had um a coach in one of my 1270 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,240 Speaker 1: buddies always talking about the cornerbacks and defensive backs. They 1271 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,400 Speaker 1: have to be the best athletes on the field because 1272 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,720 Speaker 1: they're the only layers who start going backwards when everyone 1273 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,160 Speaker 1: else is going forward. So if you think about this 1274 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,920 Speaker 1: in Olympic terms, as a as a cornerback or as 1275 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,680 Speaker 1: a defensive back, you have to be a de catholete. 1276 01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,040 Speaker 1: You have to be able to execuse so many different 1277 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,120 Speaker 1: movements that are not being asked or required at other positions. 1278 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,560 Speaker 1: And then when it comes to trying to extend your career, 1279 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,720 Speaker 1: meaning trying to go from high school to college, college 1280 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,760 Speaker 1: to pro um at wire receiver, if you're just a 1281 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,840 Speaker 1: six ft two hundred pound wire receiver, you're a diamond 1282 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,960 Speaker 1: dozen diamond. Whoever, if you're the same dimension six ft 1283 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,080 Speaker 1: two hundred and you run four or five or lower, 1284 01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,600 Speaker 1: you are a primo athlete at the cornerback position. You 1285 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,880 Speaker 1: are one of the guys that will talk about. You're 1286 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,439 Speaker 1: one of the guys that will highlight and focus on 1287 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,400 Speaker 1: because it's hard to find six ft or taller corners 1288 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,960 Speaker 1: who have athleticism and movement skills and who have been 1289 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,000 Speaker 1: trained at the position for an extended time. So if 1290 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,320 Speaker 1: you want to get a jump on your buddies, you 1291 01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,280 Speaker 1: want to get a jump on the curve, I would 1292 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,560 Speaker 1: say the sooner you can commit to back peddling and 1293 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,720 Speaker 1: learning how to break and drive and plant and play 1294 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,040 Speaker 1: the ball in the air and all those things, the 1295 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,600 Speaker 1: more advanced you can be over the competition when it 1296 01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,800 Speaker 1: comes to playing that position at a higher level. I'm 1297 01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,680 Speaker 1: with you one thousand percent. I think we can join 1298 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,840 Speaker 1: each other on this crusade, UH to try and help kids. 1299 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,320 Speaker 1: It's really is what's all we're trying to do. We're 1300 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,160 Speaker 1: trying to help kids out there, and I think that'll 1301 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,920 Speaker 1: get it done. Any other players you want to talk 1302 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,000 Speaker 1: about before we get out of here? No, that said, like, um, 1303 01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean we have a big game? What big game 1304 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,680 Speaker 1: do we have this weekend? There's a big game. There's 1305 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,439 Speaker 1: Nebraska and Ohio State. Is that the big game? This week. 1306 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:37,480 Speaker 1: I think that's the big game. I think that's a 1307 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,320 Speaker 1: big game. I think yeah, I think that's I think 1308 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,000 Speaker 1: that's a big game, the big that the reason that 1309 01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,840 Speaker 1: game is big for me is, Look, everyone is beginning 1310 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: to buzz and talk about Chase Young. We had a 1311 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,160 Speaker 1: discussion yesterday about Chase you and compared to the bosses 1312 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,440 Speaker 1: and the like. So everyone to get an opportunity to 1313 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,840 Speaker 1: look at that. We've talked about how for the last 1314 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,280 Speaker 1: what four or five years, Oh, how your state is 1315 01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,919 Speaker 1: at what the top defensive back defense a player taking 1316 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,960 Speaker 1: in the draft. And that's quite a legacy in a tradition. 1317 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,200 Speaker 1: But the reason why I really want to tune in 1318 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,440 Speaker 1: is look, and I know we're always quarterback hunting and 1319 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,320 Speaker 1: we're looking down the road and down the road. There's 1320 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,800 Speaker 1: been a lot of conversation about Trevor Lawrence. But I 1321 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,800 Speaker 1: want everyone to tune in and check out Ohio State. 1322 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,800 Speaker 1: And I want you to look at Justin Fields because 1323 01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,600 Speaker 1: when these two guys were coming out, Justin Fields and 1324 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,600 Speaker 1: Trevor's Lawrence, it was one A and one B when 1325 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,840 Speaker 1: you and I were up at the opening, Uh, it 1326 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,280 Speaker 1: was still in in Beaverton. They're still up in Portland 1327 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,600 Speaker 1: at Nike Headquarters, Justin Fields was the star. And even 1328 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,800 Speaker 1: though Trevor Lawrence was a head turner, Justin Fields looked 1329 01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,600 Speaker 1: like a man amongst boys throwing the ball around. And 1330 01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,680 Speaker 1: what we have seen is in this Ohio State offense, 1331 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:47,960 Speaker 1: he looks like that dude that I remember when he 1332 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,200 Speaker 1: was in high school. And the more that people pay 1333 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,920 Speaker 1: attention to him, the more that his name will be 1334 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,040 Speaker 1: inserted in the conversation and it won't just be the 1335 01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,640 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence show. Just keep an eye on Justin Fields 1336 01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,320 Speaker 1: when he has an opportunity to play on the big stage. Yeah, 1337 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,880 Speaker 1: he's a special, special talent. He's fun to watch. I hope, 1338 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,120 Speaker 1: uh everybody does get a chance to see him, all right. 1339 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,960 Speaker 1: Remember Football's Back. 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