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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're still is really interested in just to

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Speaker 1: see a which you th that is amazing with the

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Speaker 1: name of Tolmas, to see other things that you that

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Speaker 1: you did, so what made you.

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Speaker 2: Get an artisation measured in engineering and architecture both. I'm

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Speaker 2: an engineer as well, so but before I get to that,

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Speaker 2: I think the most important thing, one of the most

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Speaker 2: important things in my little life here is that when

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Speaker 2: I graduated, I came back. I came back for two reasons.

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Speaker 2: The reason number one was that I benefited from a

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Speaker 2: scholarship and I thought I have to give it back

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Speaker 2: because America didn't give me the scholarship for myself. They

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Speaker 2: help my people and help Africa. And this lesson is

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Speaker 2: very very interesting because at trancelaer Wish, as you may know,

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Speaker 2: is one of the biggest engineering schools in America. As

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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, back in nineteen sixty eight when

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Speaker 2: very expensive. So if I have that opportunity of having

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Speaker 2: an education, higher education in social institution, I thought I

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Speaker 2: should come back because it was not the money of

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Speaker 2: my parents, it was of scholarship. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: give a lesson to anybody. I'm just trying to say, listen,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you even much better off coming back because there's

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Speaker 2: so many opportunities. Enoughter you cannot imagine if I had

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Speaker 2: stayed in America, I was in the same school and

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Speaker 2: the same class with the architect of Bill Gates. His

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Speaker 2: name was John but he passed away about five years back.

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Speaker 2: He was the architect of Bill Gates. But he was

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Speaker 2: not better off than me here. So what I'm saying

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Speaker 2: and even if you didn't benefit from a scholarship, if

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Speaker 2: you are African, please see what you can do. Of course,

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Speaker 2: the good news is that today with the technology, you

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Speaker 2: don't need to be physically back, and this is why

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Speaker 2: I appreciate what you people are doing with technology. Today

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Speaker 2: is going on in Africa. Business is booming and with

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Speaker 2: the experience you people have there, it's very interesting for

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Speaker 2: again congratulations for what you're doing to try to break things.

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Speaker 2: That's very important. And again days back, yes you have

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Speaker 2: success is on the way. You have to grab it

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Speaker 2: our folks are very difficult to work with. But if

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Speaker 2: you have the experience there well, and if you have

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Speaker 2: people who can open doors, like our good self here,

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Speaker 1: Last night we got to witness obviously the Renaissance Monument,

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Speaker 1: which is extremely impressive. I think equally as impressive as

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Speaker 1: the amount of people that wanted to come speak to you.

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Speaker 1: And it talks about the level of relationships that you

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Speaker 2: How has that been.

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Speaker 1: Over the course of your career as an architect and

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, you see, the road is not easy.

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Speaker 2: To build up a strong reputation takes a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: especially in Africa. So yes, I was fortunate enough to

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Speaker 2: one of the problems I have personally because I try

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Speaker 2: to have a vision. But if you have a vision

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Speaker 2: with people who don't have vision, you have a problem.

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Speaker 2: You see, the place where we were yesterday, we were

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Speaker 2: didn't understand. Now what was the criticism about. Well, you see,

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Speaker 2: in their religion they don't always accept sculptures of people

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Speaker 2: portraying people. You can portray a horse or whatever, but people,

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Speaker 2: it's very difficult. Some of them accepted some times, and

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Speaker 2: I was I don't know if you understood the story

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Speaker 2: that I told yesterday, explaining that when we finished building

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Speaker 2: they started making problems. And then the president asked me

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Speaker 2: will cost a million dollars million plus a million and

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Speaker 2: for that cloth. I said yes. He said, okay, let's

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Speaker 2: when you look ahead. So how do you get to

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Speaker 2: buy and from the people to accept it? Well? No, Actually,

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Speaker 2: And that's what happens. And today, including the big the

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Speaker 2: If this monument was not here, you come to the car,

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Speaker 2: what do you see? Almost nothing. So if in your

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Speaker 2: mind you know that this is good, go ahead and

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Speaker 2: do it right now. The biggest project I have is

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Speaker 2: what is probably building the new city, the new capital

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Speaker 2: city of Gabon called Liberville too. But along that, what

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Speaker 2: I think is my thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: But what I think now is that we are doing

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Speaker 2: what we call the new roads, the new steel and

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Speaker 2: didn't tell you what when we talk about the new

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Speaker 2: steel and aluminum roads, what is that. Everybody knows that

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Speaker 2: Europe has developed because of the steel industry still at core. Now.

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Speaker 2: Everybody also knows that most of the raw material to

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Speaker 2: goes there today. If you trace the road of steel,

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Speaker 2: they take the raw material, let's say in Peppelli. Here

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Speaker 2: in Serra le One, it makes twenty thousand kilometers to

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Speaker 2: box site. Box site comes from our neighbors, from Guinea,

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Speaker 2: most of it. Of course, Guinea can agree. From the

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Speaker 2: port of Cancer, twenty thousand kilometers to go another twenty

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Speaker 2: reduce this into one point two kilometers. Eighty thousand, one

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Speaker 2: point two. How because we discovered oil and gas in

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Speaker 2: we have more than twenty seven billion tons of iron ore,

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Speaker 2: with the energy that we discovered in Senegal. Instead, we're

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Speaker 2: just selling the energy. When you sell the energy, when

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Speaker 2: you sell the gas, it amounts. It accounts for one

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Speaker 2: be not only will you be doing that, but you

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Speaker 2: will reduce because Pepel is just eight hundred kilometers from here,

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Speaker 2: So the forty thousand kilometers going back and forth is

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Speaker 2: reduced to eighty eight hundred and fifty kilometers. One straight path. Yes,

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Speaker 2: well you go by the ocean. It's not straight. You

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Speaker 2: go by the ocean. And this is why we want

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Speaker 2: And we want to put build a new port in

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Speaker 2: Nikin in the south of Senegal, in Casamos, which is

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Speaker 2: Three hundred kilometers Ernest, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Forward instead of twenty thousand and twenty thousand back. Because

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Speaker 2: we are preparing for Zlecka. Slecka is the new African

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Speaker 2: come to uh come on there and call well, you said,

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Speaker 2: well in English, we said Leka zone deliberation. So we

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Speaker 2: are preparing for that. But if you want to prepare

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Speaker 2: for that, you have to think about things that You

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Speaker 3: What's maybe mention Africa civilization that we can look back

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Speaker 1: So being American and watching that thing a point, it

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Speaker 2: think about why you're clapping your hands. Americans are taking

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Speaker 5: Do we as.

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Speaker 2: You ask before imposing, because you cannot impose. We don't

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is imposing because he has the means. You know,

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Speaker 2: he has the wild If you have both, believe me,

433
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: you impose your things. So we don't impose. We ask

434
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: very no, no, no, no no, but now no, not now.

435
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: I think the international community knows that it's even good

436
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: for the others that we get deviloped. That's the good

437
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: side of the story. So again, don't impose. But if

438
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 2: you explain to them that this is good for them

439
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: as well, you see if you would, if you just

440
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: explain to them that this is good for them. It's

441
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: just when people say that, okay, they don't want energy

442
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: coming from God because you've developed your countries. But give

443
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: us twenty years, maybe twenty five, why not thirty to

444
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: be green. We cannot be green right now. It's too

445
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 2: expensive for us. And they wait until we discovered guys

446
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: to say, okay, we don't want any powered gas powered machine.

447
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: We want hydrogen. We're not there yet. Give us sometimes,

448
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: but you explained to them that while they are working

449
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: on green technology, we can work with them with the

450
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: less green technology that they have already, and we see

451
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: how to bridge the gap in the coming twenty years

452
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: so that it can be we can start our development.

453
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 2: But that you have to discuss, you have to accept

454
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: some things and well, it's more complex than it looks.

455
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: But if you have the right if you take the

456
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: right decisions, development is at the end.

457
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 3: Fashion you're building cities. You're designing cities, and I want

458
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: to know, how do you design.

459
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 5: A city that is reflective of the African identity and

460
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 5: that inclusive in terms of community education, capacity transfer and

461
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 5: all the social infrastructure that we need.

462
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: Well, it's easy for me because I'm African and I

463
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: came back more than fifty years ago, so I know

464
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: what my people need because I'm part of the people.

465
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: So to me it's easy. I mean, but in being African,

466
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: don't forget that you are part of the modern world.

467
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: My best friend is chat gipt serious. Yes, yes, yes,

468
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: So you should avoid saying, well, this is Africa, Africa Africa. No,

469
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: Africa is part of the world. And chat Gipet was

470
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: more than I how to mix some things. Well, there

471
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: are a lot of things that I know modern need.

472
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: But you know, you have to leave your world. You

473
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 2: have to leave your time and your time. I'm sorry.

474
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: It's chat. JIPT is part of it. And unless you

475
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: integrate it in your thoughts in whatever you're doing, you

476
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: know that this is progress. You cannot stop it. I

477
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: used it a lot, you know. I was giving the example.

478
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: The other day. I was in Kinshasa and I had

479
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: to rush to come back because it was my former

480
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: president Abdugyuof's birthday and I wanted a song for abdud

481
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: So I asked Chad Gpt, can you make a poem

482
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: for him? In one minute, I had the poem and

483
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: then I say, hey, listen, can I have the music

484
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: with it? Two minutes I have the music and then

485
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: I said listen, I want the music to be played

486
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 2: by robots. And five minutes after I had the Roberts

487
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: playing the music. Now you want me to leave that

488
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: because that's technology and be writing for two weeks or

489
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: two months like Yousouldu would do. No, that's finished.

490
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: You. Last night we got to saw some of the

491
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: future visions for the car. Specifically, I wonder where the

492
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: inspiration came from because it feels futuristic, and that goes

493
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: back to the vision. So what was that process where

494
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: the inspiration come from. I think we saw it was

495
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: a gory tower. We're just super impressed by it. So

496
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: how do you come up with the ideas?

497
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think when I do those things, it

498
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: just comes natural. Because when I take my pen, I know,

499
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: it's just I don't even think. It just comes. You

500
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: do this and you do it, but you always I

501
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: always have the will to develop the continent. This is why,

502
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: for example, in one of the pictures didn't show good

503
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: because of the screen that was too large, but you'd

504
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: see the map of Africa. I do a lot of

505
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 2: things with the map of African So you saw did

506
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: you see the bab ocean bab? If you see it here,

507
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: if you have two minutes, I'll show it to you.

508
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: Ocean Baobab comes from the inspiration of the palm in Dubai.

509
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: The palm is the palm. The palm is the palm. Yeah,

510
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: the palm is the palm. And the same people, because

511
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: you know it takes a lot of technology to do that,

512
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: the same people who did the palm in Dubai will

513
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: be doing with us, our own entrepreneurs. The mixture will

514
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: be doing this Bobab amazing, and this is how you

515
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: mix things the way it should be.

516
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: They had the marina had the poorest, and they've been

517
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: saying it, this is the closest destination from America.

518
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely, well it's a little I'll show you where the

519
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: closest destination to the continent is. This is just this

520
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: is about well two kilometers away because this is at

521
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: the point of the car in front of Gore. The

522
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 2: story behind Ocean Baobab is that this leave came out

523
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: of Goret from the small gate to the small door,

524
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 2: and he comes back with technology, with development, and he's

525
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: re entering Goret by the big gate. That's why you

526
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: saw the big tower Goret out. They came back here

527
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: and this is what they came. They came from here

528
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: and this is what they bring to the war. Going

529
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 2: back to Gore, you'll see the story. But but that's

530
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: and again what people don't know. I'll show you what

531
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: we call smart islands, and these are things that you

532
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: people going back to America can help you know that

533
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: the future is of course with big datas. The new

534
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: data center will be the big brothers, and we're developing

535
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: in the sea what we call smart Island, Smart Island.

536
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: I'll show it to you if you have a minute.

537
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: Smart Island wants to develop the future of Africa in

538
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: an island with the shape of Africa. And what people

539
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: don't know is that building that island on the sea,

540
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: the land is cheaper than the land on shore because

541
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: in that area the land have taken so much value

542
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: that it's very difficult to acquire a piece of land there.

543
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: But if we build an island, the island is twice

544
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: cheaper than the But you have to know it. If

545
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: you don't know it, you cannot say it. So I'll

546
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: show you Smart Island. Where I need your help is

547
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: that we need for example, black folks come here all

548
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: the time. They go to goy Oh, our ancestors, all this,

549
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: all that you don't see a penny when they go.

550
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: How would they take this emotion? She's good and turn

551
00:46:52,719 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: it into facts for developments. Again talking about not a vision,

552
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 2: but just thinking yesterday you didn't see her. The one

553
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: of the ladies of Black Panther was there, Wakanda. You

554
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: know Black Panther. The lady I don't know her name.

555
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: She came for dinner a year, but come she's the

556
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: warrior you know she's the number three. You have the

557
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: black panther. Uh huh, I don't know. I mean the name,

558
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: why why she was that's the one. She was here,

559
00:47:46,160 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: But I didn't anyone, you know, come out. She was

560
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: there with us. She had the bodyguards, etcetera. She gave

561
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: me buddyguards. Huh. I mean she's a star.

562
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 6: But no, no, no, I didn't well no, i'd probably huh.

563
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. Mons. I mean she gave anybody we

564
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: even at dinner with the buddyguards. I mean, I mean

565
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: too means not a problem. But you know, oh wow,

566
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: I s uncle, say uncle, No, I'm fine. So any

567
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: other question for this my last question.

568
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know how do you think that

569
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: affected synagogue society, just that one monument that you built,

570
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: Like what has that done for the country.

571
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: While people can identify themselves with the monuments, and you know,

572
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: people are proud to see that, well, there is something happening.

573
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: And especially the kids, you know, when they tell them

574
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: that I am the architect, you cannot imagine what happens.

575
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: You cannot imagine, you know, when you don't interviews play

576
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: well with me. So you can, especially for the young people,

577
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: to see that. You know, they all know the Eiffel Tower.

578
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: Effel Tower is here when they go to Paris. Well,

579
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: but now they are proud to see that. People come

580
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: and say, wow, this is the monument of the Renaissance.

581
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 2: So yes, it's anything you do that can bring proud

582
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 2: and happiness to the people. Why not. But again that

583
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: I asked for and again I appreciate what you people

584
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: are doing. You should invite people to come back here

585
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: because again if I tell you that with this still

586
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: an aluminum role, you will be generating You could be

587
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 2: generating more than fifteen trillion dollars. That means that there's

588
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: plenty of work for everybody lent and please you will

589
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 2: have the expertise and who know the people who can

590
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: develop this continent. Do everything in the books to bring them.

591
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: Because the chance, the chances you have acquire wealth in Africa,

592
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: you cannot have the same chance anywhere else. So again,

593
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: come back for us to make Africa great again. Thank

594
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: you so much, Thank you so much, Thank you appreciate

595
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 2: Merciboku