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Speaker 2: And today it's not going to be story time.
Speaker 1: We're going to have a guest, a fantastic guest. So
Speaker 1: let's start the show. Welcome to Wrestling with Freddy.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Stepping up to the mic, the host of Wrestling with Freddy.
Speaker 2: Freddy prece tune.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, McCauley cochie, Yeah.
Speaker 3: We.
Speaker 2: Go, Mile. Welcome to the show, man, How are you man?
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me man. I'm doing good and doing good.
Speaker 3: I was just saying before we recorded that I'm I
Speaker 3: took the morning shift with the kiddo, so you know,
Speaker 3: but I'm doing okay. But I'm glad this is a
Speaker 3: this is a podcast, and you know, I haven't put
Speaker 3: a comb through my hair yet this morning, but sorry.
Speaker 2: I haven't shaved in about a week and a half.
Speaker 2: So we're on the We're on the same page.
Speaker 3: Brother, were all, we're all a little grizzly here exactly. Man.
Speaker 1: So I started this podcast a while ago, and this
Speaker 1: is about I don't know, ten or or eleven episodes
Speaker 1: in and a lot of the talk in the beginning
Speaker 1: was sort of how it all came to fruition. And
Speaker 1: I started talking about that Rick Flair retirement match that
Speaker 1: we all went to ye, and I got sidetracked.
Speaker 2: On the gambling that we had.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I told the story right
Speaker 1: or not, but I don't think you lost a match
Speaker 1: the whole night. And I was I think you walked
Speaker 1: home with like eight hundred bucks or some some shit
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what it was was that I wasn't
Speaker 3: really watching the product a lot around that time, so
Speaker 3: so everyone kept on putting in bets on what you know,
Speaker 3: everyone was being so smart, you know, yeah, And I
Speaker 3: was like, cool, I'll take Randy Orton, sure, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was It drove me nuts. We were there
Speaker 1: there were I think four of us, and all of
Speaker 1: us watched a lot except you, and you didn't lose
Speaker 1: a bet the whole night, and it drove me absolutely insane,
Speaker 1: but it re ignited my sort of love of wrestling,
Speaker 1: and I was just hoping that you could kind of
Speaker 1: touch on where you and your family kind of got
Speaker 1: their love, because I know your brother was a hardcore fan,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you ever jumped into the dark side,
Speaker 1: or if you did, at least not for as long as.
Speaker 2: Your brother did.
Speaker 1: But I but I've seen your your knowledge, and I
Speaker 1: was just wondering where it all started, when it started,
Speaker 1: and where it came from.
Speaker 4: For me, it was when I was doing an Uncle
Speaker 4: Buck and you know, so I'm sitting in some place
Speaker 4: in like suburban Chicago or whatever, and uh so this
Speaker 4: must have been the winner of eighty nine.
Speaker 3: And so it was one of those like like I
Speaker 3: guess what were they called the like the essentially the
Speaker 3: daytime shows, like you know.
Speaker 2: The Saturday Yeah what was that like?
Speaker 3: Not main events? But yeah, I forget what it was
Speaker 3: like a recap shows with yeah, yeah exactly, and uh
Speaker 3: they were showing a replay of a warrior Honky talk
Speaker 3: Man from Summer Slam eighty nine, and it was the
Speaker 3: first wrestling match I ever saw on you know, and
Speaker 3: boom as soon as that, like you know, that music
Speaker 3: hit and all that kind of stuff, I was just like,
Speaker 3: who is that guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, when it comes to comes to not
Speaker 3: Honky talk Man, the Warrior.
Speaker 2: But they didn't like the Honey talk music.
Speaker 3: I know, you know what, I appreciate him so much
Speaker 3: more now. Yeah, guys guys like I miss guys like
Speaker 3: the Honky talk Man and the Genius. I think I
Speaker 3: think wrestling needs more guys like that nowadays, for sure,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, but yeah, no, the music hit and
Speaker 3: boom and then the so you know, I was hooked
Speaker 3: and I was I was looking it up, you know,
Speaker 3: made sure I didn't miss anything. And you know, I
Speaker 3: remember I was a year later. I was back in
Speaker 3: Chicago and I was working on home alone and that's
Speaker 3: when WRESTLINGIA six happened, and I was such a big
Speaker 3: Warrior fan all stuff, but I couldn't watch the paper
Speaker 3: because I was working. So they actually had a hot
Speaker 3: line back then. Remember you had to call in and
Speaker 3: they tell you the results.
Speaker 2: Gosh, that's right, hey, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I was, I was ecstatic. What it like the
Speaker 3: Ultimate War. It's like it's like it's a mean gene
Speaker 3: doing it and the Ultimate War or defeats ho Hogan,
Speaker 3: you know, look at you know, and yeah. It was
Speaker 3: like I was like, yeah, you know, yeah, so but
Speaker 3: that's the yeah. That That's how I watched WRESTLINGIA six
Speaker 3: for the first time. Was mean Jean recapped it for
Speaker 3: me over the phone at like whatever ten dollars a
Speaker 3: minute or something.
Speaker 1: So in eighty seven or eighty eight, I was in Albuquerque,
Speaker 1: New Mexico, and there was a house show at the
Speaker 1: place where like the rodeos were at, because that's all
Speaker 1: that really came to New Mexico, and it was called
Speaker 1: it was called Engley Colisseum, and there really wasn't a
Speaker 1: good seat in the house, but there were seats there,
Speaker 1: but there were just pillars everywhere. So there were people
Speaker 1: blocked all over the place and they were going to
Speaker 1: do a Battle Royal or a yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: was just a little Battle Royal and all the kids
Speaker 1: would like run down to.
Speaker 2: The rail to see their favorite wrestlers come in.
Speaker 1: And I didn't have a ticket for that area, but
Speaker 1: I ran in with the other kids, and the Ultimate
Speaker 1: Warrior ran by and secure. The security guy grabbed me
Speaker 1: and was like, hey, you don't have a ticket. And
Speaker 1: the Ultimate Warrior didn't put his hand on me, but
Speaker 1: kind of around me and on the security guy and
Speaker 1: he goes, it's okay. And I could smell I still remember.
Speaker 1: I smelled like dirt from the coliseum, baby oil and sweat.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, oh my god, I still
Speaker 2: smell it.
Speaker 1: And his like the bicycle tassels were like kind of
Speaker 1: like wet and sticky and like on my face when
Speaker 1: he was like and I still remember that. And so
Speaker 1: I was a huge, huge Ultimate Warrior fan. And then well,
Speaker 1: and then I started watching nw A and I saw
Speaker 1: Rick Flair and then everything ended for me.
Speaker 3: I was that.
Speaker 1: It was Rick Flair and Sting and that was That's
Speaker 1: all I cared about for a long long time.
Speaker 2: But we both have Warrior origin stories.
Speaker 3: He was such a good gateway drug, you know. I
Speaker 3: mean he was just you know, like me, just like
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: You know it's not good, but you're just gonna try
Speaker 2: it a few times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, you know, I love the version
Speaker 3: I am. When I watched The Ultimate Warrior, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I only have to wrestle for forty two seconds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am so funny and hilarious.
Speaker 1: And your brother told me a story once, and I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if you were there, But he told me a
Speaker 1: story of when he was at a show. He said
Speaker 1: he got thrown out of a wrestling show. And this
Speaker 1: was we were all at your place in New York
Speaker 1: City and we were playing Soul Caliber two or three
Speaker 1: years I don't remember which one. And uh, you guys
Speaker 1: were killing me with this dude with a long staff
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get in and it was driving me
Speaker 1: nuts and we started talking.
Speaker 2: I hated you, and so he said he got there.
Speaker 2: I said, what happened?
Speaker 1: He said, I threw a beer on the big show
Speaker 1: and they threw me out of this good good they
Speaker 1: absolutely But were you Were you there when that happened?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 3: Fu no man? And if anything, I'd be pushing him
Speaker 3: towards the security guard like he did it. Did it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd be the Russell Westbrook of the of the
Speaker 2: of the Rest.
Speaker 3: Keep this guy out of here.
Speaker 2: So Kirie went.
Speaker 1: He went hardcore, like hardcore and deep to the point
Speaker 1: where I had no like I couldn't even communicate with him,
Speaker 1: and there was just one other dude that could.
Speaker 2: And his name was Angelo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And we all know Faz and we love Faz.
Speaker 1: And when I started working there, he started working there
Speaker 1: as well. And I took a little break, and you
Speaker 1: came in when I did like a GM spot, just
Speaker 1: to like say hello and help out and be a
Speaker 1: part of the show. And I get asked this question
Speaker 1: all the time, and I think I know why, but
Speaker 1: it's better if you say it. But I get asked
Speaker 1: this all the time. Why didn't you ever get Mac
Speaker 1: to go and write for the w W E Oh man.
Speaker 3: There were times where I wanted to like kind of
Speaker 3: just you know, like find you know, six months of
Speaker 3: my life at the very least, kind of go in
Speaker 3: there and stuff. And you know, I will say, I
Speaker 3: do kind of regret not doing that now now that
Speaker 3: I'm a dad and stuff like that, Like I got I, Man,
Speaker 3: I barely have time to pete at this point.
Speaker 2: That's why I could.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I know, yeah I figured that, you know,
Speaker 3: yeah exactly, it all makes sense now, you know, But yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I you know, I just never got around to it. Things,
Speaker 3: you know, there was. There was always something I'm you know,
Speaker 3: next thing, I know, I'm like on the road being
Speaker 3: in a pizza band or something, you.
Speaker 1: Know, like pizza band if out of like Europe or
Speaker 1: you were in Paris or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, then I moved to France for like five
Speaker 3: years and stuff like that, you know. But also I
Speaker 3: came up with some really great like uh Ray Wyatt
Speaker 3: story angles, like when alone in my room in Paris, man,
Speaker 3: you know, I really wanted to they called me up
Speaker 3: for consultation kind of stuff like you know how yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I know a few people they've reached out too for
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, kind of just you know, what do you
Speaker 3: think will make the brand better? What about that? And
Speaker 3: they don't, you know, I think they might have like
Speaker 3: done one or two things. And I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I came up with it or nothing.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I was like, oh, there
Speaker 3: you go, you know, but you know, I'm just like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, why don't we make the shows slightly different?
Speaker 3: Because I mean, just one's blue and one's red, like
Speaker 3: you know, want you know, I said, you know, God
Speaker 3: blessed Kevin Dunn. But you know, it's like nope, nope, no,
Speaker 3: like you were, this is our products, like dig it man.
Speaker 2: Look and he's very protective of it.
Speaker 3: Man, He's like a yes, so he's really good at
Speaker 3: what he does. What he does, Yeah, far be it
Speaker 3: for me to criticize anything that he's saying. I'm just saying, well,
Speaker 3: can we do something that's even just visually different, you know,
Speaker 3: things like that.
Speaker 1: Now they're the generation of go with what you know,
Speaker 1: So they're they're like like Garth, they fear change.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no shit, especially the product now. Fuck, dude,
Speaker 3: like this is just I have to see one more
Speaker 3: fucking Like, don't get me wrong, you know, I actually
Speaker 3: looking forward to what will be different this time. But
Speaker 3: if I see brock Lessener Roman reigns one more freaking time,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, That's the thing is that, like they'll
Speaker 3: do the same pay per view like back to back.
Speaker 2: That was Sena and Norton for two years straight.
Speaker 3: It felt like it's always like a like new day.
Speaker 3: USO's like every freaking card, like you know, and it's
Speaker 3: just like you know, and I understand that, like their
Speaker 3: roster obviously isn't as deep as it was a year ago.
Speaker 3: Back they've caught I think eighty six wrestlers from their
Speaker 3: roster in the past calendar year. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, like yeah, so like you don't really have
Speaker 3: this rich for right that maybe you might have had
Speaker 3: before and stuff. But even then, man, it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: how many times can we watch the same match over?
Speaker 3: I mean literally, I think it was just recently it
Speaker 3: was like like Survivors series and I think they like,
Speaker 3: you know, the one before that, they were like, I
Speaker 3: think it was the two before that, they were virtually
Speaker 3: the same card man, And it's just like, what the
Speaker 3: fuck's going on.
Speaker 1: When you when you and I were younger, they allowed
Speaker 1: the storylines to develop sometimes for almost a year before
Speaker 1: you got that that final payoff. And I think once
Speaker 1: the Attitude era hit, they gave you everything right away
Speaker 1: in a four week package, and it kind of changed
Speaker 1: the way the stories were told, almost pay per view
Speaker 1: to pay per view, and at a certain point, I
Speaker 1: feel like you just run out of stories to tell,
Speaker 1: so they.
Speaker 2: Just go with what they know. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 3: You run out of stories.
Speaker 2: Come on, they are running out of stories.
Speaker 1: Believe I pitched one hundred if I pitched one every
Speaker 1: week is just when you're pitching to a wall is
Speaker 1: going to bounce back at you See.
Speaker 3: That's kind of the problem, you know, that's that's that's
Speaker 3: the problem right there, because you know there there there's
Speaker 3: never gonna be a lack of stories. I mean, you
Speaker 3: know Three's Company. You know, they had an episode in
Speaker 3: the first season where they had to hide a puppy
Speaker 3: from from yuh the Landlords, uh, the other Ropers, and
Speaker 3: then in the season like six, they're they're hiding a
Speaker 3: kitten from mister Furley. You know, it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like, man, you know, you can even you just
Speaker 3: repackage some of this ship. You know, as long as
Speaker 3: you give it enough time, you know, you can you can.
Speaker 2: Do that had more time than any TV show ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean I think there is something to
Speaker 3: your point of like these longer stories. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, there was less product on television, and you know,
Speaker 3: you were totally fine with like you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: watching bad News Brown beat up Jerry the Jobber, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, on on Saturday mornings kind of thing. Like
Speaker 3: you know, now then you know, no one's gonna be
Speaker 3: like down with that there's only you know, like they
Speaker 3: you can't really have too many Coco be Wares in
Speaker 3: your company anymore, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's hard and you have to because you have to
Speaker 1: have people that can lose, right, and you have to
Speaker 1: give them a run at least once a year, at
Speaker 1: least a baby run, so that they're credible that the
Speaker 1: guys you want to get over, the girls you want
Speaker 1: to get over, have a have a villain or a
Speaker 1: or a or a good guy to beat.
Speaker 3: That was the Dolf Ziggler kind of thing. Man. They
Speaker 3: kept on jobbing them out, and he's just like, if
Speaker 3: I don't win one, no one's like, you know, like
Speaker 3: and listen, the guy bumps like a boss. I would
Speaker 3: love to see him and a Kurt Henning, him and
Speaker 3: Kurt Henning and a match together. Just all they're doing
Speaker 3: is bumping and not actually attacking.
Speaker 2: Selling each other the entire match.
Speaker 1: By the way, those are the best matches when it's
Speaker 1: two wrestlers trying to outsell each other.
Speaker 2: Doesn't That'd be.
Speaker 3: A freaking dream right there. You know, throw Shawn Michaels
Speaker 3: in there too, like Sean That Sean Michaels.
Speaker 2: It just does it like a double backflip, just.
Speaker 3: Love it, Like, yeah, I want to see that, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean definitely the Dolve Ziggler, Like he's guilty of
Speaker 3: selling way too well, so next thing, you know, they
Speaker 3: freaking job him out.
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mac, have you been to Kendrick's Wrestling pro wrestling
Speaker 5: shows here in Los Angeles?
Speaker 1: I took I took a buddy of years from New York,
Speaker 1: Matt and his brother and they literally have matches like
Speaker 1: that where it was he's a he's a wizard and
Speaker 1: his name is the his name is the Great Branzino.
Speaker 2: Well, let me back up.
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods brought Xavier Woods brought me and introduced me
Speaker 1: to this, and I'm like, what am I seeing here?
Speaker 1: And he goes, it's Holiday wrestling. I go, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about Holiday wrestling? Goes, it's the Christmas Show.
Speaker 1: He goes, I'm not telling you anything else, all right?
Speaker 1: So we sit down. In the first match is a
Speaker 1: guy named Emo Tep, but it's Emo E m O
Speaker 1: Tep and he's.
Speaker 3: A mummy and pretty shops a hot topic.
Speaker 1: Well, he has a he has a each bandage that
Speaker 1: comes down over his eye and the I make of
Speaker 1: his Egyptian and dramatic, but he wrestles the way a
Speaker 1: mummy would wrestle, very slowly.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And all the.
Speaker 1: Matches are like this, and they put a Holidays story
Speaker 1: around each one, and in this one in particular, it
Speaker 1: was die Hard and they had literally a guy named
Speaker 1: the Sexy Assassin who and he has a lisp, so
Speaker 1: he sounds like Daffy Duck. He comes in in the
Speaker 1: middle of the EMOTEP match and with all these like
Speaker 1: lumberjack looking guys that are some aer buff, some are
Speaker 1: not so buff, and uh, and he takes the microphone
Speaker 1: and he goes, I'm I'm the fat via fath In.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do a Sexy Assassin because he
Speaker 1: was too good. And he says uh. He says, I'm
Speaker 1: taking over Wrestling Pro Wrestling, and to prove it, I'm
Speaker 1: calling the owner of the company right now, and you
Speaker 1: can listen in.
Speaker 2: And we're in the Moose Lodge in Burbank, so it's
Speaker 2: like a hundred people.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and he calls he calls the owner of
Speaker 1: Wrestling Pro Wrestling, and the speaker comes on and plays.
Speaker 3: It ring.
Speaker 1: Ring and I look at Exavier and I go nobody's
Speaker 1: picking up, and he looks back at me and he goes, no,
Speaker 1: he never picks up, and it reads about seven more
Speaker 1: times and then he gets super mad and he hangs
Speaker 1: up and he goes, well, just cause he's not there,
Speaker 1: it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Mean I'm not taking over it.
Speaker 1: And to help me, I brought a bunch of Lumberjack
Speaker 1: orphans that were never adopted. And they all turn to
Speaker 1: the crowd and they go, we're a our fans that
Speaker 1: were never adopted, and the crowd, the crowd's literally yelling back,
Speaker 1: we just heard him say that. Like they're going back
Speaker 1: and forth. And then the only way that you can
Speaker 1: save the show, of course from this this Hans Gruber's
Speaker 1: sexy assassin who's taking over the show is you got
Speaker 1: to have a John McLean, And that John McLean is
Speaker 1: none other than a character they have named cereal Man.
Speaker 1: And cereal Man is dressed like you and I, but
Speaker 1: he has has this amazing prosthetic cereal box completely like
Speaker 1: plastered to his head and it says wheedies.
Speaker 2: And uh or whatever their version of.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, like the the cosplay that they
Speaker 1: do for these is top shelf.
Speaker 2: They do full Kaiju matches.
Speaker 1: Okay, like literally the Kaiju matches and people, giant monsters
Speaker 1: are falling out of the ring and breaking.
Speaker 2: It's hysterical.
Speaker 1: So so John McClain comes our cereal man comes up
Speaker 1: and he says, I'm gonna stop you, and throughout the
Speaker 1: whole night, which about two and a half hour show,
Speaker 1: he starts assassinating some of the lumberjacks. And at the
Speaker 1: end of the show, the sexy Assassin gets the only
Speaker 1: person close enough to serial Man that he can get leverage, right,
Speaker 1: like the John McLain's wife whatever, Holly McClain, right, And
Speaker 1: but their.
Speaker 3: Version played by my aunt by the way.
Speaker 2: Well side quest Hello, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's my that's actually my Aunty Viadilly is my aunt.
Speaker 3: She plays Holly McLain.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeh, family offas tight all back.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: So their Bonnie Badilia is of course pop Tart Boy,
Speaker 1: who is a giant pop tart and only his hands
Speaker 1: can poke out and his feet so he can't really wrestle.
Speaker 1: And he's got him on top of the turnbuckle and
Speaker 1: he's gonna throw him off the turnbuckle the way they
Speaker 1: were gonna fall out.
Speaker 2: The knocka Tomi Plaza.
Speaker 1: But here comes Cereal Man and he walks right by
Speaker 1: Austin and I and instead of a nine millimeter tape
Speaker 1: to his back, he's got back of cereal and.
Speaker 2: He takes it off. And this guy, God.
Speaker 1: Bless him that he throws it and it hits the
Speaker 1: Sexy Assassin right in the head, and the Sexy Assassin
Speaker 1: falls off, and then his vel crow gets stuck to
Speaker 1: the Pop Tarts vel crow, and the Cereal man comes
Speaker 1: in and undoes it, and the Sexy Assassin falls off
Speaker 1: the turnbuckle and lands on the Lumberjack orphans that were
Speaker 1: never adopted, and the main event that was supposed to
Speaker 1: happen never happens. They literally just say thanks.
Speaker 2: For coming out, and could not they do it for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: I've seen them top it with RoboCop on Thanksgiving, which
Speaker 1: was hysterical, like they do the weirdest stuff. But you
Speaker 1: said something earlier that led me to this, which is
Speaker 1: now I'm leading back to you. He said something like
Speaker 1: eighty three wrestlers had been released.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think eighty.
Speaker 1: Six wrestlers have been released, right, People like Keith Lee,
Speaker 1: people like Carry and Cross that I think are like, well,
Speaker 1: that's a shock that you would release them, people like
Speaker 1: Bray Wyatt, where I'm like, that's the only attraction left
Speaker 1: in professional wrestling. But okay, that's weird Coretta with all
Speaker 1: these wrestlers. And I already said this on a podcast
Speaker 1: with Ariel Halwani. I just did this Netflix movie and
Speaker 1: I'm doing a couple more after this, and I'm putting
Speaker 1: a little kitty together. Right in the old days, that
Speaker 1: would be like a little piggy bank, a little kitty.
Speaker 1: And I want to start, not to make money because
Speaker 1: it won't, and not to compete with anyone, because I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to do that, but just to start a
Speaker 1: West Coast indie wrestling brand. And there's so many free now.
Speaker 1: Granted I'm a year and a half away from this
Speaker 1: coming to fruition. I just finished the first one, so
Speaker 1: I'm still a little ways out. But when I'm ready
Speaker 1: to go, I just want to have a two year
Speaker 1: plan where if it makes money, cool, but it's probably not,
Speaker 1: which is what my accountant said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're hoping for a break even endeavor. I'll take it.
Speaker 1: I'll take it, and I'll try to do things the
Speaker 1: old Cornet way. As far as business, I like if
Speaker 1: I can find some places that actually want to play it.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm just playing on my YouTube channel and screw
Speaker 1: all of them. But I want to start an indie
Speaker 1: league or an indie wrestling league. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if I wanted to be kind of like I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with GCW or Cordona's Wrestling now, they
Speaker 1: kind of they brought a lot of cool back to wrestling,
Speaker 1: Like there's just some cool elements to it. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to go that direction or
Speaker 1: if I want to go full like comedy wrestling, like wrestling.
Speaker 3: The silly attraction kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: If you and I were to we're to start a
Speaker 1: wrestling brand, what would you.
Speaker 2: Want it to be?
Speaker 3: Oh like between those two, between those two, whatever you
Speaker 3: wanted to be.
Speaker 2: About it, and maybe, you know, in a year and
Speaker 2: a half we do it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I like the silly stuff kind of thing. I think,
Speaker 3: you know, I think that's something that's kind of missing,
Speaker 3: uh from from wrestling, you know, uh, you know, like
Speaker 3: that that attitude era still had that stuff. It's yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Kane can still shoot lightning, you know,
Speaker 3: like stuff like that like you know, yeah, like you know,
Speaker 3: some of that kind of like that, that kind of
Speaker 3: over the top ness. I think it has been sorely
Speaker 3: missed in wrestling, So I think engaging in something like
Speaker 3: that would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I always had this idea for a character called the arm.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: It just he's got one strong arm and he does
Speaker 3: all of his moves with his one arm, and the
Speaker 3: other arm is just doesn't do any no effect, just
Speaker 3: like you know, punch, punch, nothing, but this one's all chokes.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh god, the arm, you know, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Have to convince someone to get super buff on one side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just on one arm again, Like, hey, bron Stroman,
Speaker 3: Hey dude, would you mind just working out one arm
Speaker 3: and just not giving.
Speaker 1: You doubled to just completely morph your body. Didn't you
Speaker 1: have like a comedy character that we were joking about
Speaker 1: one time. I think we're talking about doing a like
Speaker 1: a D and D wrestling league, and you were gonna
Speaker 1: have a character named the Librarian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the library didn't interrupt promos.
Speaker 3: Every time the crowd popped. He goes like, you know,
Speaker 3: which is actually great heat. I'd love to see somebody
Speaker 3: just always shushing the audience every time he loses because
Speaker 3: he's so well schooled, because he's already read all the rules,
Speaker 3: all the books on wrestling. Uh, he always can get
Speaker 3: his losses overturned because of some kind of technicality.
Speaker 2: Contests or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. You know, so he's got a spotless record,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, comedy wrestling.
Speaker 3: Heck yeah no, he said, what is it? The doing
Speaker 3: decimation system? You know that would be a finisher.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right, See this would be good at
Speaker 1: a Moose Lodge place.
Speaker 3: If you're going for silly young your man. You know,
Speaker 3: we can come up with all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2: You believe me. I know. Okay, I love.
Speaker 3: This Netflix funded wrestling Federation.
Speaker 2: All right, man. They don't care where I put my money,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, No, No, I'm just care Yeah, like doing gigs
Speaker 3: exclusively to make sure.
Speaker 1: I fall in love in ninety six minutes or less.
Speaker 1: That's all they care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It'll it'll fund my ultimate Warrior inspired wrestling fans.
Speaker 2: See, but we're not we're not going to say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, taking and taking the Jim Courtnett like like package
Speaker 3: like all right, yeah right.
Speaker 2: I just like his business package.
Speaker 1: That's all I want to end on uh on women's wrestling,
Speaker 1: because when I got there, the women had five minute
Speaker 1: matches and two minutes of it was their intros.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I mean I think the like, what
Speaker 3: were you either like Lda and Trish and stuff like that. No,
Speaker 3: I was, oh, geez geez. Yeah, I mean just I mean,
Speaker 3: I forget what the people nicknamed that, but yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean it was it was just it was just kind
Speaker 3: of just trashy. It was just you know, good looking
Speaker 3: women like riding around with each other. You know it
Speaker 3: skin me up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they it was. It was goofy.
Speaker 1: And when I got there their matches, they weren't allowed
Speaker 1: to do much. I would see the producers literally tell
Speaker 1: Vince in the production meetings like look on the road
Speaker 1: were let these girls work and they can do these moves.
Speaker 1: They're not getting hurt. They've been doing them for months now.
Speaker 1: You gotta let them be.
Speaker 2: Like, oh no, they're gonna get hurt. They can't do it.
Speaker 1: And so the women had to fight girls like Eve Torres,
Speaker 1: the Bellas, McCool and Layla they were like lay cool
Speaker 1: or something like that. That was in between my two
Speaker 1: stints was the Lay Cool Experiment, Beth Phoenix, Natty Knightheart
Speaker 1: like that was the that was.
Speaker 2: Like the group that was there.
Speaker 3: There are some legit talents, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: They had no time.
Speaker 1: And then I left and the Total Diva Show started
Speaker 1: out rating segments of aw and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the women that were on that show started getting nine
Speaker 1: minute matches and then they had commercial breaks, and then
Speaker 1: that next generation of wrestlers came in and really just
Speaker 1: took flight off of that foundation to where they were Headlinron, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Banks and Bailey had a sixty minute Iron Woman match
Speaker 1: on nx HE. When it was before it looked like
Speaker 1: you can't do that on television.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't get me started.
Speaker 2: Started. There's a salt box right over there.
Speaker 1: But they kind of like took flight, and then all
Speaker 1: these releases happened, and it looks as if they're pushing
Speaker 1: more towards that pretty girl less time. I don't time
Speaker 1: the women's matches, but I have timed a couple of
Speaker 1: them because it felt, well, I don't they felt like
Speaker 1: they've been getting shorter and what worth thirteen minute matches
Speaker 1: or eleven minute matches now? So if I'm worried that
Speaker 1: it's going back the other direction. But if they keep
Speaker 1: releasing them ae W, who I've I find lacking in
Speaker 1: a women's roster as far as.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's one of their one of their flaws.
Speaker 3: I think otherwise, I think they're actually a really cool company.
Speaker 3: I dig with it.
Speaker 2: I do too.
Speaker 1: What about and they would have to start it by
Speaker 1: signing a bunch of these winsen? But what if ae
Speaker 1: W did a women's division and gave it an hour
Speaker 1: and a half or gave it the full two hours
Speaker 1: on one of their nights. They have a lot of men.
Speaker 1: They don't necessarily talk.
Speaker 3: About that is there? We was There's been talk about
Speaker 3: like you know, like a women's only kind of show,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, yeah, well.
Speaker 1: They're gonna try with wow, but they don't have the
Speaker 1: level of talent the a W.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well no, no, no, no, I'm talking gosh, I forget
Speaker 3: which which where there was uh it was somebody was
Speaker 3: talking about this. No, not not just a fed that
Speaker 3: is all women. It's like literally just giving the women
Speaker 3: a show, you know, like that kind of thing, giving
Speaker 3: them an hour, like kind of a week. And I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think it's w w E. But
Speaker 3: I I just remember I think it was some it
Speaker 3: was a women's wrestler that was like Ring of Honor.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, Ring of Honor women sounds great.
Speaker 3: It sucks that we were at a point where like yeah,
Speaker 3: like you kind of do have to time in some
Speaker 3: of these matches like that's actually you know, like the
Speaker 3: fact that we that that that's even a notion, uh
Speaker 3: is messed up. Like that's not the way it should be.
Speaker 3: You know, look at like they're putting together insane.
Speaker 2: Sorry for interrupting, Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, no, that's what I mean. Is that
Speaker 3: like before when they were just these five minute men.
Speaker 3: I mean, women's wrestling was a joke from like you
Speaker 3: know what I like, from even with the like when
Speaker 3: I first started watching the Rock and Robin and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, and just like fuck, man, I don't like
Speaker 3: it was just like that was your pee break, you know, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: wasn't a lot going on, you know, Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: they didn't really you know, I think there was I
Speaker 3: think that kind of stigma like kind of stuck for
Speaker 3: a while until you actually started like letting some of
Speaker 3: these women cut loose and actually you know, do some things.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you know, now, like you know, you
Speaker 3: can it's not crazy for them to headline WrestleMania or
Speaker 3: to close the show at Survivors.
Speaker 1: You can put Charlotte Flair in any WrestleMania main event
Speaker 1: and people are gonna want to watch.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's.
Speaker 3: No brain, regardless of men or women or whatever, like exactly,
Speaker 3: like you know, it's it's just good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is her peak, this is her time, man Like,
Speaker 1: she's she may not be the best actor, but she
Speaker 1: owns that character.
Speaker 2: And when she stays in that character and.
Speaker 1: She never breaks, it's gold man like. She's just she
Speaker 1: should never be a babyface. As for as long as
Speaker 1: John Cena wasn't a heel, like that's that's how long
Speaker 1: she should be a heel for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that's I think that's fair.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, Becky Lynch is a heel is kind
Speaker 3: of a interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't buy that she's always.
Speaker 3: That's the problem is that you don't you don't buy it,
Speaker 3: like you know, it's it's it's it's the term didn't
Speaker 3: work right, you know, that kind of thing. People people
Speaker 3: still won't like. People still freaking are cheering for her
Speaker 3: and stuff.
Speaker 2: That's Charlotte and Beef.
Speaker 1: That that herd that she and Charlotte had is still
Speaker 1: so fresh in people's minds, and it's like for them
Speaker 1: to just get that one match out of that and
Speaker 1: then just say, well, they're on different brands, so it's over.
Speaker 1: It's like, man, that's that's three pay per views. You
Speaker 1: could get three pay per views out of that.
Speaker 2: Easy, easy, easily.
Speaker 1: She could interfere with her on Raw, Charlotte could interfere
Speaker 1: with her on SmackDown for what for four months?
Speaker 2: Okay whatever?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've always have two minds when it
Speaker 3: comes to the brand split anyway. You know, it gives
Speaker 3: people more TV time, you know, and we have a
Speaker 3: deep roster. I think that's a good, you know, good thing.
Speaker 3: They've got a lot of talent that you know, you
Speaker 3: want to be able to see. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: it's like I don't think they It does prevents you
Speaker 3: from certain kind of matchups, and not necessarily in a
Speaker 3: good way. There's not these dream matchups per se that
Speaker 3: you actually like, Oh, I can't wait till you know
Speaker 3: Survivor series where's you know, Big E gets to get
Speaker 3: take on Roman brains like that. You know, it doesn't
Speaker 3: tickle you in that kind of way. But you know,
Speaker 3: like I don't think they've taken full advantage of it,
Speaker 3: Like you know, I think maybe they tried to do
Speaker 3: like an invasion storyline once or twice or something like that.
Speaker 3: You know. But again, they're the same product, like you know,
Speaker 3: on both shows, Like stylistically they're the same. They look
Speaker 3: this one is just blue when the other one is red,
Speaker 3: and like that's that's it's just you know, so I
Speaker 3: you know, I don't even pay attention to who's on
Speaker 3: what roster anymore, you know what I mean. I can
Speaker 3: tell what I just glance at what color their belt is.
Speaker 3: But otherwise, like I don't know who's on you know,
Speaker 3: don't know what show misses on. I just know that
Speaker 3: he's on it, and.
Speaker 1: It isn't important to the fans which show they're on anymore.
Speaker 3: Like there is not a brand, you know, because they're
Speaker 3: actually they aren't separate brands. They're both WWE.
Speaker 1: By the way, how can they make NXT look so different?
Speaker 1: But they can't make SmackDown and Raw look different in
Speaker 1: any way, shape.
Speaker 3: Or for in any way exactly.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean for the better, Like I don't
Speaker 2: think they improved NXT.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought n XT went from the most
Speaker 1: watchable product in WWE too unwatchable in a week, like
Speaker 1: it just there was nothing.
Speaker 2: There was just nothing there for me.
Speaker 1: And they have some wrestlers that I still like, but
Speaker 1: I just don't And the name thing I still don't get, Like,
Speaker 1: I just they got. They got Rick Steiner's kid and
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna call himself bron Breaker. Kids love it,
Speaker 1: but likeker Man like, and then they'll change it when
Speaker 1: he gets to RAW and it'll be you know, brick Brackman.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I don't Ricky Reckman.
Speaker 2: I just don't get it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Like what they do to carry across was insane. They
Speaker 1: had a guy who looked like Jesus turned.
Speaker 3: Him to Immortal Kombat Man.
Speaker 1: That he had on red suspenders. They put him, they
Speaker 1: put him in red. You know how imagine imagine you
Speaker 1: You create this great character right as an actor, and
Speaker 1: then a new director comes onto the movie and is like,
Speaker 1: hey man, we feel like for this.
Speaker 2: You lost all your hair, like you you.
Speaker 1: Have a unicorn, You're just like these movies made a
Speaker 1: billion dollars. This is your first movie, man, Like, even
Speaker 1: if it's your tenth, what are you talking about. When
Speaker 1: he came out in like the porno dungeon mask and
Speaker 1: the red suspenders, I literally I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I felt bad for the guy. I didn't
Speaker 2: even know him. I reached out to a wrestler that
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: Know, who I happened to know was on the road
Speaker 1: with him, and I was like, Yo, man, give that
Speaker 1: dude a hug for me.
Speaker 3: You just don't even know the dude.
Speaker 1: They FaceTime me that night. He was driving and it
Speaker 1: was Morrison. John Morrison was riding Shotgun and I literally like, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, and he was like, dude, thanks man,
Speaker 1: it's been hard, but.
Speaker 2: I just I got it. He goes, I gotta stay
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like his grandma died something.
Speaker 2: Him and his girl Scarlet. I don't Scarlet board though.
Speaker 1: They were like the Evil Macho and Elizabeth for NXT
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, we're gonna split you guys up.
Speaker 1: And you look like a linebacker who could legit beat
Speaker 1: up everybody, So we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna get rid of that too. In some video game
Speaker 2: costumes and see how that goes.
Speaker 1: I I never felt bad for someone, or if I not,
Speaker 1: since I worked in the company, I haven't felt bad
Speaker 1: for someone.
Speaker 3: What it was, I well remember I was it Harper
Speaker 3: and Rowan because a bash brother, they give him big accidents.
Speaker 1: My daughter, my daughter, dad, Why are they doing that
Speaker 1: to these big guys?
Speaker 2: She was she's twelve now, I think she was.
Speaker 1: Ten then, and I'm like, yo, my daughter knows what
Speaker 1: humongous men don't need weapons?
Speaker 2: How do you not know that?
Speaker 3: I people think it would make that better if she
Speaker 3: was fighting through tears to say it.
Speaker 1: You know, Matt when they gave him the basket that
Speaker 1: he kept covered. My my daughter literally just walked in
Speaker 1: the room, looked at the TV.
Speaker 2: She was eleven, I think at this.
Speaker 1: Point, and goes here we go again, and was walked out,
Speaker 1: and I was like, she's.
Speaker 2: Eleven and doesn't want to watch? Like, what are you
Speaker 2: doing to these humongous people?
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, exactly. I feel like they've kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: the E is really kind of lost focus on on
Speaker 3: all this, and I, you know, I think there is
Speaker 3: some kind of master plan. You know, they're bringing all
Speaker 3: these new people and they're I mean personally, I think
Speaker 3: they're going to sell. I think that's exactly why you're
Speaker 3: exactly probative what they say. Yeah, you know, I think
Speaker 3: Vince doesn't feel like anyone like you know, and his
Speaker 3: family can do this. You know, he'd like Vince had
Speaker 3: to buy the company from his dad. So he's like,
Speaker 3: all right, Stephanie, if you want to buy it, you know,
Speaker 3: you have to kill the billion dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't said this before, but I'll say it now
Speaker 1: because Ben long enough. So I was talking to a
Speaker 1: dude who was interviewing to be their COEO or do that.
Speaker 1: They wanted to interview, and they ended up going with
Speaker 1: Nick conn He had he had passed, but he just
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to me about the company another and
Speaker 1: uh so we were just talking about the brand and
Speaker 1: all this. He goes, Yeah, they wanted us to buy
Speaker 1: the whole product. He was an exec at Fox. He goes,
Speaker 1: they want us to buy the whole brand. But the
Speaker 1: number they wanted wasn't a number we were going to pay.
Speaker 1: So we licensed SmackDown instead. And I said, were you
Speaker 1: going to overpay?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I said, were you even considering the job?
Speaker 1: He goes, no, but I just wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: you to make sure I wasn't like crazy and lose
Speaker 1: my mind. I said, a man, it's a crazy place
Speaker 1: to work. So you got a nice job in La.
Speaker 1: Your family's in La. Stay in La. But I knew
Speaker 1: they were going to saw a long time ago off that,
Speaker 1: and that hit me like a ton of bricks. I
Speaker 1: was just like, yo, Vince, isn't gonna let anyone have it.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Have a faceless corporation have it rather than like you know,
Speaker 3: keep it in the family.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: We're going to start a wrestling federation. We got to
Speaker 1: think of a name. We'll start texting you ideas.
Speaker 3: Don't forget the arms and the librarian.
Speaker 2: We have to make sure we.
Speaker 1: Have both of them. I could just do steroids in
Speaker 1: one arm for like six months.
Speaker 2: I'm willing. I'm willing to make the sacristic.
Speaker 3: All right, there you go.
Speaker 2: We found it works like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's how it works. Just want to just
Speaker 3: keep injecting in the bush.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 1: I haven't Drago style, all right, dude, Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being a guest. Thank you for being a friend.
Speaker 1: Like the Golden Girls always said.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you. Actually, I got my son some
Speaker 3: Golden Girls.
Speaker 1: Really, I'm gonna tell Woodsy that he's going on the
Speaker 1: Golden Girl Cruise.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Oh yeah, I remember because he asked for
Speaker 3: time off. I heard about this. He has for time off,
Speaker 3: like like do this freaking thing. All yeah, So I
Speaker 3: got I got that, got him some of these little
Speaker 3: little things so you can play with his little Elmo and.
Speaker 2: All right, my brother, thank you and enjoy being enjoyed
Speaker 2: being a great dad.
Speaker 3: That's the idea.
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