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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew, what's going on? John?

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Speaker 2: How you been?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's April, so I'm pretty sure you know how

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Speaker 3: I am right now, Little Ragged eyes are a little heavy.

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Speaker 3: Just got through last night. I think it was probably

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Speaker 3: like eleven thirty twelve o'clock. I finally finished up A

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Speaker 3: and M LSU from twenty twenty four, which has got

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Speaker 3: all kinds of prospects all over the place.

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Speaker 4: You guess they have a combined four thousand, two hundred Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it sums that way alone with another shit it seems

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Speaker 4: that out to come in the next three years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's it's.

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Speaker 4: Remarkable how much talent those two pump out and will

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Speaker 4: continue to pump out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: I mean I just watching LSU, and even LSU defensively

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Speaker 3: I didn't think was great. But yet they still have

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Speaker 3: got a couple of prospects on the outside Savean Joe

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Speaker 3: is two hundred and five pounds long arm could play

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Speaker 3: inside outside, Brayden Swinton outside linebacker who I've been watching

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Speaker 3: for a couple of days now, and just like every

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Speaker 3: time I watch him, I'm like, man, I think this guy,

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Speaker 3: even though not mentioned a whole lot in at top fifty,

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Speaker 3: So uh, just even and I didn't think El Shu's

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Speaker 3: got a couple of studs, and there are gonna be

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Speaker 3: other guys that they have. You know, Greg Pennant linebacker

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Speaker 3: might be a Day three guy. So yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 3: just I mean A and M. I mean the defensive

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Speaker 3: line for A and M. It's like you gotta watch

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Speaker 3: every single guy every single play because they're all, you know,

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Speaker 3: gonna be the first or second round. It's pretty crazy

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Speaker 3: what that program has produced and yet and yet didn't

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Speaker 3: even get to the SEC championship game.

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Speaker 2: So there's that.

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Speaker 4: There is that. But no more talk about A and M,

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Speaker 4: No more talk about LSU. It's time to talk about

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Speaker 4: the Texans drafts. His Workly speaking, there have been many

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Speaker 4: good ones. At two thousand and six draft, he's about

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Speaker 4: the guy you got. Mario Williams wound up being a

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Speaker 4: pro bowler. You took him first over. You get Owen

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Speaker 4: Daniels mixed in, you get the guy who's coaching this franchise.

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Speaker 2: Right right, and j O.

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Speaker 4: Ryan's I mean he was the team captain here for

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Speaker 4: the next six years or so. So many David Anderson,

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Speaker 4: Eric Winston, Charles Spencer was on his way and then

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Speaker 4: injury luck happened. But that was a heck of a draft.

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Speaker 4: That was a rooting NFL draft. Two thousand ninso later,

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Speaker 4: Brian Cushing, pro bowler, captain, leader of your franchise. Connor

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Speaker 4: Barwin got double digit sacks, was a solid, solid player.

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Speaker 4: You get lots of Glover Quinn, maybe the best safety

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Speaker 4: you've ever had in your franchise history.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to kind of keep him around. Things didn't happen

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Speaker 4: You got Lute Foster was in that group of rookies,

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Speaker 4: but he wasn't drafted right right. But my point is this,

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Speaker 4: every draft is important, but I want to rewind two springs.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to twenty twenty.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, think about where we.

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Speaker 4: Were this time. Twenty twenty was three weeks out. It

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Speaker 4: was looking like, you know, CJ. Stroud's name had been

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Speaker 4: think there were a lot of folks that thought Texans

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Speaker 4: are gonna take Will Anderson. A lot of folks, a

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Speaker 4: lot of folks said Stroud as well. But the Texans

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Speaker 4: only had the second and the second overall pick and

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Speaker 4: then the pick that was farther back in the draft

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Speaker 4: to or We headed to Kansas City, me and about

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Speaker 4: seven or eight others from the Social Digital video team.

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Speaker 4: We're here with the Texans media relations. Every Gearlings was there.

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Speaker 4: And we get to Kansas City and it's looking more

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Speaker 2: Be prepared for Anderson. We started hearing some things.

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Speaker 4: And basically this is like a little semi behind the curtains,

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Speaker 4: look back at what went down. I'll tell my story,

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Speaker 4: you'll tell your story. But we got there. It was fun,

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Speaker 4: had a nice barbecue dinner the night before, and then

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Speaker 4: media center and I'm checking Twitter pretty regularly there and

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Speaker 4: All the people there were in their twenties, their mid twenties,

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Speaker 4: right out of college. Lost the light there, and I

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Speaker 4: see some stuff popping up from folks who follow the

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Speaker 4: About an hour out all the stuff about Will Anderson.

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Speaker 4: It didn't really they didn't say too much, but about

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Speaker 4: an hour out it was very clear, like CJ. Stroud

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Speaker 4: is the odds on favorite to be the second overall pick,

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Speaker 4: to the tune of about like minus one hundred, which

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Speaker 4: And I didn't say anything because whatever, you know, stuff's

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Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, oh hey, God, because we've been

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Speaker 4: prepared to we'd been told he get prepared for Will Anderson,

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Speaker 4: right right, You prepared because you're gonna interview him. He's

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Speaker 4: gonna come over. Get set for Will Anderson. And I

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Speaker 4: see that, and I say to our Crew. I was like, guys,

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Speaker 4: Las Vegas is saying with certainty that we're gonna take CJ. Stroud.

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Speaker 4: He's a minus whatever. Uh, you know, the the odds

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Speaker 4: Like all these young people just look up and you

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Speaker 4: just go back to work. So like nice CJ. Stroud, Okay, Okay, cool,

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Speaker 4: and they're getting ready for Will Anderson. Draft happens, c J.

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Speaker 4: So hey, plans change. Instead of getting ready for Will Anderson,

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Speaker 4: It wasn't wasn't a huge huge detour. I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: somebody we knew about. We were ready to talk about him.

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Speaker 4: We were ready to talk about Bryce Shung in case

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Speaker 4: something weird happened Carolina Bryce. We were definitely ready to

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Speaker 4: talk about Will Anderson and talk to Will Anderson because

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Speaker 4: lots of connections, phenomenal player, was the best defensive player

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Speaker 4: all the stuff and came over, my phone starts erupting,

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Speaker 4: and I didn't really think much. It's just like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: likes to take love this what the Texans are doing,

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Speaker 4: love the wheeling and dealing. And I was like talking

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Speaker 4: and I was just like, oh my goodness. And so

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Speaker 4: same time, and I was there's a picture of me

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Speaker 4: and then I thought Daniel Jeremiah said it really well.

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Speaker 4: He said, you've just made You've just erected or just

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Speaker 4: or so. I mean, it was bananas, just bananas, and

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Speaker 4: the excitement because there was already excitement about Demiko Ryan's

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Speaker 4: that moment that the Texans took Strout and then moved

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Speaker 4: up to take Anderson, this place has been bananas. Now

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Speaker 4: that's my story. You were here for the draft party,

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Speaker 4: and that was a whole beast into itself.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think one of the things you and I

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Speaker 5: In fact, we did it a couple weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: We did our mock draft on in the lab, and

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Speaker 3: so we go through all the different We use PFN,

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Speaker 3: You can use PFF. There are probably a few others,

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Speaker 3: people use. Now, using those mock drafts, you go with

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Speaker 3: essentially those rankings and how players are ranked via a

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Speaker 3: But I was of a mindset going into that draft

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Speaker 3: that it was a it was a four player elite draft.

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Speaker 3: It was Bryce and CJ, it was Will and it

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Speaker 5: There was some thought about his coach ability all that.

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Speaker 3: He had to leave the combine because he had been

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Speaker 5: So anyways, it was he would have been.

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Speaker 4: A messager upset like I would have had taken it,

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Speaker 4: and like, you know, what's her face? Who beat Georgetown?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. So I didn't think it was gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: But I remember I would play around with those mock

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Speaker 5: Because we were sitting at two and.

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Speaker 3: Twelve in that draft, thank you Cleveland Browns, and so

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out, okay, what if twelve, could twelve

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Speaker 5: How would it.

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Speaker 3: Come to be? And so I played around with it

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Speaker 3: a number of times. And you don't me. I. I

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Speaker 3: don't like giving up draft picks because I like hearing

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Speaker 3: the name of the Houston Texans have selected such and such.

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Speaker 5: But I looked at him thought, boy, I could live with.

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Speaker 3: That if we got two of these guys, not obviously

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Speaker 3: I don't know how what's the appetite for doing that?

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Speaker 3: So then you fast forward to the draft and so

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Speaker 3: we're out at the draft party. He was out at

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Speaker 3: Millar Door Theater and we're on an adjacent stage off

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Speaker 3: had an hour show before that, and on an hour

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Speaker 3: show we had different guests, and the very last guests

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Speaker 3: that we had was former Texas president Greg Grissom. And

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Speaker 3: Greg typically was in the know on things, and so

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Speaker 3: he asked me, what do you think? And I literally

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Speaker 3: went to him, I think it's Stroud or Anderson like this,

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Speaker 3: And so with my right hand that was Anderson, and

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Speaker 3: he leaned towards Anderson.

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Speaker 4: He goes, it's him or something of that. I think

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Speaker 4: that's that's sure, it's here. That's what we've been told.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So but I like you, I'm seeing and I'm

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Speaker 3: having people tell me about the Vegas odds.

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, man, that's usually Vegas. Vegas knows something

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Speaker 4: All right, so sometimes you're on in the lab presented

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Speaker 4: by Exfinity. We got to go down memory lane, and

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Speaker 4: It's always fun to do that with you. We'll be

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Speaker 4: to come, because hey, we're shooting this on a Wednesday

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Speaker 5: Three weeks from thursday. Baby, here we go.

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Speaker 2: All right till then, so long, see you