1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: Proclaimed there's one of America's best sports shows by Sports Illustrated. 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: This is the Pauline Ball Radio Network to be part 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: of the show. One day um going through the show 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: in January of two thousand and eleven, and we get 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: a call from a guy who describes himself as Al 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: from Dadeville, Alabama. Are doing well? Thanks? He lost his 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: core with me, and he said, we'll tell you what 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: I did last week, the weekend after the Iron Bowl, 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: I went to Auburn, Alabama, and I poisoned the two 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: tumors tree did die. They're not dead yet, but they 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: definitely will die. You heard that right, This man calling 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: himself Al from Dadeville calls into a radio show to 13 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: say that he's poisoned two oak trees. Is that against 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: the law to poison the tree? What do you think 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: I care? Okay, I really don't roll down, roll damn 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,639 Speaker 1: tiede and he hung up. I didn't give it much thought. 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: Two weeks later, a man named Harvey Updike was arrested. 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: It became one of the biggest stories of the year 19 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: and one of the ugliest college football related crimes that 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: has ever been reported. To understand how a man with 21 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: no criminal record, became one of the most hated individuals 22 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: in the history of college sports. You have to know 23 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: a thing or two about college football in Alabama and 24 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: the rivalry that's long defined it, and to understand why 25 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: a whole town would mourn over the death of two 26 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: old oak trees like they were people. He needed to 27 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: know about a small college town named Auburn with a 28 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: big football tradition. This episode, I'll go to the scene 29 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: of the crime and meet the man who did it. 30 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: I wanted Auburn people gonna hate me as much as 31 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: I hate them. I'm Morocca and this is mobituaries, This 32 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: mobid death of a tree, roots of a rivalry. It's 33 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: a night. We have a story about a long standing 34 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: rivalry where things have now gotten out of hand and 35 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: became Alabama have arrested this man who they say poisoned 36 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: a pair of beloved oak trees. At already we took 37 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: Harvey Updike Junior into custody for the poison. Trees were 38 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: started find that somebody would do something like this to 39 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: a few trees that had never done anything to anybody. 40 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: How important a trees to to Auburn. Without trees, this 41 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: campus is nothing to me without the trees. It's just 42 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: buildings on a side. I'm with horticulturist Gary Kiver at 43 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: Auburn University in eastern Alabama, about an hour outside state 44 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: capital of Montgomery. Auburn has one of the most beautiful 45 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: campuses in the South, in part because of all the trees. 46 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: That's nice. What kind of trees are those? Is that birchrtle? Kind? 47 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: So path with trees? There are over one D twenty 48 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: species of trees on campus. Not so surprising at a 49 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: school where you can major in forestry. That is a 50 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: mini magnolia. That is a silver bill. And that thing 51 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: over there that looks like a Christmas tree? Is that 52 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: a sort of It's not a pine, it's a cryptomeria. 53 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: No one knows what that is. If you're in horticulture, 54 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: you know what it is. By now you can tell 55 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: I didn't major in forest tree. I guess? Can I 56 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: guess that that is? It's a is it alive oak? 57 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: It is d D Ding Dan Dan. I'm so excited 58 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: that I got something right. But at one spot on campus, 59 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: the trees have deep symbolic value. We're standing here in 60 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: the Tumors corner and this is the gateway to campus 61 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: and imagined the term where town meets down. Tumors Corner, 62 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: the intersection of College Street and Magnolia Avenue. Two massive 63 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: old growth oak trees once stood sentry here, about eighty 64 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: feet apart. They're glorious crowns of foliage joined overhead, indeed 65 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: forming a kind of gateway the heart and soul of 66 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: Auburn's campus. The Tumors Oaks that's t O O M 67 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: E R S. We're over eighty years old and named 68 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: after the founder of a drug store that's still there 69 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: just across the street. Okay, this is kind of a 70 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: big deal for me because I'm actually now seeing it. 71 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: So where are the trees? I'm looking here and right here, 72 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: the slender trees i'm seeing are replacements, perfectly nice, but 73 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: you certainly wouldn't try climbing one these. One day they 74 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: might touch overhead, but right now they seem disconnected from 75 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: each other. Two trees among many on campus. And we 76 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: look here and for each of these new Tumors Oaks, 77 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: fairly immature. There's a little sign around them. And what 78 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: does it say? Please do not roll rolling. It's a 79 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: school tradition, really a ritual that goes back to the 80 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. When Auburn's football team wins, students rushed Tumors 81 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: corner and hurl rolls of toilet paper up into the trees. 82 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: The original tumors oaks that stood here were majestic, but 83 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: when rolled, they looked kind of magical. In photographs, the 84 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: long streams of toilet paper resemble white flowing mains that 85 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: at night seemed to glow, made from pounds and pounds 86 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: make that many hounds of toilet paper. Usually rolling and 87 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: it's still done is to celebrate Auburn's winds, but sometimes 88 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: the students roll trees to celebrate another holy occasion when 89 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: their arch nemesis, the University of Alabama, loses no matter 90 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: who beats them. These two teams hate each other. But 91 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: why where did this rivalry that divides the whole state 92 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: and led one man to poison two oak trees originate? 93 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: Turns out that's an old story, like Civil War old. 94 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: During the Civil War, the federal government decides to fund 95 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: what are called land grant universities. These are schools that 96 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: teach programs on farming and mechanical trades, basically aggie schools. 97 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: After the war ends when the former Confederate states joined 98 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: the Union, the state of Alabama wants to get in 99 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: on that money. Then all of a sudden there comes 100 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: this fierce competition to see who will become the land 101 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: grant university in each state. That's historian Wayne Flint. He 102 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: wrote the book on Alabama. Like literally, he wrote the 103 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: Encyclopedia of Alabama. So which Alabama school will win this 104 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: distinction and the money that goes with it. University of 105 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: Alabama wants to be the language school. And the last 106 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: thing they want is for a college in East Alabama 107 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: that would be Auburn to get this ultimate plum of 108 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: the federal money. And in this their first head to 109 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: head competition, Auburn, a formerly small Methodist college out in 110 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: the Sticks, wins out over the older, than more affluent 111 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: University of Alabama, thus sparking a rivalry that lives on 112 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: even today. So how can two in state schools that 113 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: compete for wealth, political power, and for stege settled the 114 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: score football? So there is in sublimated form this rivalry 115 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: that is about politics and wealth. It immediately manifest medal metastasizes, 116 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: tastasizes onto the gridiron and into the stands. The football 117 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: rivalry gets so intense, brawls between fans, fights over regulation rules, 118 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: that it's suspended at one point for forty years. Seriously, 119 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: it takes an act of state government, a House joint 120 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: resolution to bring these teams back together. And in the 121 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: Alabama Crimson Tide and the Auburn Tigers pick up where 122 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: they left off. It's like they never stopped hating each other. 123 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: At its heart, this rivalry is less about two schools 124 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: and more about class. I'm thinking of that awful cheerio 125 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: sometimes here at high school games. That's all right, that's okay, 126 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna work for us someday. Does that kind of 127 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: sum up feeling that that Alabama has for abur heicks 128 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: strawberries of second hand forward trucks. You said it, not 129 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: I did, because that's the stereotonuk. Never mind that today 130 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: Auburn is ranked higher than Alabama on the list of 131 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: top state schools. It's sent six alumni into space and 132 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: one into the top office at Apple, as in CEO 133 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: Tim cook yep he went to Auburn. In fact, Auburn 134 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: grads on average make more than Alabama grads, a fact 135 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: which may have made this rivalry even more poisonous. I 136 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: would say that college football is as close to a 137 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: religion in that state as you could possibly find. The 138 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: main difference is that people practice it every day. Where religion, 139 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: they show up when they feel like it. This is 140 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: beyond obsession. It's addictive. There's people that live for football s. 141 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: I have heard people tell stories of going into labor 142 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: in the middle of the game and being told that 143 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: they need to wait alburn football. I have to believe 144 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: that part of this is that Alabama doesn't have a 145 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: professional football team. Does that matter? I've always thought that 146 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: was a big part of it. Um there are there 147 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: are just no professional teams of any which means in 148 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: Alabama you've got two choices, arguably the most intense rivalry 149 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: in all of college football. You pledge your allegiance from Burns, 150 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: Auburn or Alabama, you must choose us brother versus brother, 151 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: battle of wills, dividing families at Tensions between these teams 152 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: are so high that matrimony between Auburn and Alabama fans 153 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: is called a mixed marriage, and once a year, on 154 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day weekend, the two teams meet on the gridiron 155 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: in the game known simply as the iron Ball. This 156 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: game is basically a high holiday in the state. Virtually 157 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: everyone will be either act this game or watching from home. 158 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: The highways are empty, stores are shut down. The winner 159 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: of the iron Ball secures bragging rights for the whole 160 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: next year. And when football fans in Alabama want to 161 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: boast about their team's big wins, they call into the 162 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: Paul fine Bound Show. And it must be great being 163 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: known as the Oprah Winfrey of college football. Oh that 164 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: was a compliment to that treasure. Hello, Hello, show isn't 165 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: isn't a radio show. It's a family kind of like 166 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: the Manson's who are a family? Can turned? How dare 167 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: you say that about Alabama? Reading the telebrampt then you 168 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: are just keep your mouth about Alabama sometimes because you 169 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: don't want to hear it's not done obvious really needs 170 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: a professional I mean, I dare say that no one 171 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: in the history of mankind has profited more from the 172 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: Alabama Auburn rivalry than the person you're currently listening to. 173 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: The sec is over this conflict has been good for you. 174 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: I I will admit that under oath God, you're like 175 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: a war profit here. But when Harvey Uptake called into 176 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: the Paul find Bound show in early two thousand eleven. 177 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: He wasn't ranting a raving. The weekend after the Iron Bowl, 178 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: I went to Auburn, Alabama, poisoned the two tumors treats. 179 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: He sounded deliberate, he sounded proud. They die. They're not 180 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: the idea, but they definitely will die. Is that against 181 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: the tree? When I first read about what Harvey Uptake 182 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: had done, I found it disturbing. Really more than disturbing, 183 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: I found a sinister What kind of a person will 184 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: kill two beautiful, innocent living things. I thought about how 185 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: cruelty to animals is a predictor of violence against other people, 186 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: sometimes horrific violence. I thought of a kid up the 187 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: street from where I grew up named Kevin. He used 188 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: to get a kick out of crushing little baby bird 189 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: eggs he found in nests. I don't know what happened 190 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: to him, but I still don't like the name Kevin. 191 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: I even thought about the Taliban blowing up the monumental 192 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: statues of Buddha at bam Yon in two thousand one. Look, 193 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: you might think that comparing the killing of two trees 194 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: to the torture of animals or human beings, or to 195 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: the destruction of a religious shrine is over the top, 196 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: and maybe it is, but sorry, what kind of a 197 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: person would do this? The question for me boiled down 198 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: to this, is he a person who did something terrible and, 199 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: as it turns out, dangerous or is he a dangerous person? 200 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: I headed down to Texas or Harvey Updyke was living 201 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: last summer to find out. Now, before I introduce you 202 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: to Harvey Updyke, the University of Alabama fan who killed 203 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: Auburn's two beloved oak trees, there's another person I have 204 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: to tell you about. Like those trees, He's no longer 205 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: with us in body, but in spirit he's very much alive. 206 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: University of Alabama coach Bear Bryant is an icon, and 207 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: not just for leaving the Crimson Tide to unprecedented glory 208 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: with six national championships over a twenty five year career 209 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: beginning in the late nineteen fifties. He had an aura, 210 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: A man of few words. He stood tall six ft three, 211 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: sporting his trademark houndstooth Fedora, projecting the gravitas and the 212 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: intensity of a John Wayne or Gary Cooper. But he 213 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: wasn't playing a character in a movie. He got his 214 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: nickname Bear when he was thirteen years old. Naturally, when 215 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: he agreed to wrestle a captive bear at a carnival. 216 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: He became so influential across Alabama. From that, of course, 217 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: he had to have his own TV show Sundays at 218 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: four pm. He would sit down, crack open a bottle 219 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: of Coca Cola and a bag of golden flaked potato 220 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: chips the show's two sponsors, and break down the Alabama 221 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: game from the day before. That was what we wanted 222 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: to do either. We didn't want to kick all of Everton. 223 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: We could help it, but we were forces here. They 224 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: His mother had always wanted him to be a minister, 225 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: and he famously said coaching and preaching are a lot alike. 226 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: And watching his show on late Sunday afternoons was like 227 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: a second church for die hard fans for four years. 228 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: From now we're walking out of here. Nice good chance. 229 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: After he died on January, he was posthumously awarded the 230 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Reagan. A few years 231 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: back when they had those commemorative state quarters. From surprised 232 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: Alabama didn't put Bear Bryant on theirs on both sides. Now, 233 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling you all this for a reason. Harvey Updike 234 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: grew up watching the Bear Bryant Show, and like for 235 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: many young kids, Brian gave him someone to look up to. 236 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this, I expect nothing less. We're 237 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: driving down the street in Texas and in about point 238 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: two miles we are going to meet Harvey Updyke. He's canceled, 239 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: he's confirmed, he's canceled. He's confirmed, he's hedged. I get it, 240 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: I get it. He's not sure what he's getting into. 241 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: The destination is on your right, and neither are Well. 242 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: Hello there, Hey, I'm Morocca. How are you? John Buddy 243 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: breaks to meet too. You must be Harvey, right, I'm 244 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: Hardy And then I said I love your hat, thank you. 245 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: What do you know? Harvey is wearing a hound's tooth 246 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: Alabama cap to match his short sleeved polo with a 247 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: Crimson a insignia that look like if she did on 248 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: Bart very much. And what's her name, Princess? That doesn't 249 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: sound like anything to do with the Crimson tide. Well, 250 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: I didn't name her. I had Harvey sixty nine. And 251 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: he looks at his hair is such a light blonde 252 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: that it looks white. He has a biker mustache, the 253 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: kind that Hull Cogan has with a goatee, or is 254 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: that a soul patch. I meet Harvey's son, Bear Upnight. 255 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. That's right, Harvey named his son Bear. Incidentally, 256 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: he's got a daughter in another state named, wait for it, 257 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: Crimson Tide update. Nice to me, alright, alright. I also 258 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: meet his two granddaughters and they're Adorableley, Briley, how do 259 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: you do a mode that? I'm good? And this is 260 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: princess right? I learned quickly that travel softball is a 261 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: huge thing for these girls and their grandfather. I cheer 262 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: all my girls as hard as I can. I'll love 263 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: him to death. What does he, Briley? What does he do? 264 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: How does he cheer? He's like, let's go of dyke. 265 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: I just go board and go out there. I have 266 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: to wonder what going overboard means for Harvey up Dyke. 267 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,239 Speaker 1: But the girls seem to love their grandfather's fervor. I 268 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: like it. I like how big of a fan he is. 269 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: All my friends like it too. They laugh, they walk 270 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: up to me and they're like, me and your Grandma's awesome. 271 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: I wish I had a grandpa like that. And I'm like, yeah, 272 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: he's amazing. But he's loud, loud and proud, and Briley 273 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: and Madison imitate Harvey's signature catchphrase man. Then Harvey shows 274 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: him how it's done. Is there a fault line in Texas? 275 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: Because the walls just shut twenty minutes in. If I 276 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: have to sum up Harvey in one word, it isn't 277 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: scary or creepy, but grandpa. So far, at least he's 278 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: kind of a regular grandpa. Then, without any prompting, I 279 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: hear what sounds like Harvey's origin story, how he lost 280 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: his dad when he was just four years old, and 281 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: how a certain legendary coach filled the voice my mother 282 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: when I was seven or eight years old. If I 283 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: ever have a boy, I'm gonna name him Bear Bryant. 284 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: And she asked me why. I said, will. He's everything 285 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: at a father figure should be. He makes his players 286 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: called their parents on weekends, and I just thought he 287 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: was a great person. Harvey fondly describes sitting and watching 288 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: The Bear Bryant Show on a black and white TV 289 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: while his mother ironed he still members of the show's 290 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: two sponsors. Yeah, yeah, he had opened the bag and 291 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, about three or four and drunk his coke 292 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: and I think it lasted about an hour. We all 293 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: head down the road now to a local surf and 294 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: turf spot to grab some lunch. On the car ride over, 295 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: Harvey tells me about his previous life as a police 296 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: officer in Texas. There's the best job I ever had. 297 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: I love being a trooper. I put a lot of 298 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: people in jail for d W which is a huge 299 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: point of pride for Harvey. He says his father was 300 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: killed by a drunk driver. Newspaper accounts from the time, though, 301 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: report that his father died when he lost control of 302 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: his tractor trailer and flipped over, and that no other 303 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: vehicle was involved. But I believe that Harvey believes his 304 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: father was killed by a drunk driver. He says it's 305 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: something that defined his career in law enforcement. The only 306 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: thing I remember about my dad is uh, At the funeral, 307 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: they picked me up to kiss him and I just 308 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: his forehead and it scared me to death. You know 309 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: it's it felt like marble or something. And you know, 310 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: I was three years old. I didn't know what. It's 311 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: pretty out here? It is pretty? What is his belt 312 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: in lake? I'm genuinely moved by Harvey's story. But wait 313 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: a second, am I being manipulated? Look? This is my 314 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: first true crime episode, so maybe I'm being gullible. I 315 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: need to be more circumspect. Anyway, do you want to 316 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: go ahead and at the restaurant? I ordered the mixed 317 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: field green salad and catfish fingers. Now, like any good 318 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: lunch spot, it's a little noisy. If there's levels of 319 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: fans like weekend fans, you know, avid fans, radical fans. 320 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: Where are you? I would say probably radical? I know 321 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: it's it's unhealthy. Do you what? What have you? Well? 322 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: I mean, besides my kids and grandkids, I love that 323 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: Alabama you know, right below him, not too far below him. 324 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: Madison who goes by move seems to take this and 325 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: stride move. Do you love anything as much as your 326 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: grandpa loves Alabama football? Um? I mean, I love him 327 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: as much as he loves Alabama, but he loves it 328 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: a lot. And what do you think of that? Did 329 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: you understand it? No? I don't understand why he had 330 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: to kill the trees. I don't. I mean, I don't know. 331 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: He's a little crazy. I didn't mean it. I did, 332 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: and just like that, courtesy of his eleven year old granddaughter, 333 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: we're talking about the crime itself. You just I didn't 334 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: mean it. I did. What does that mean? I was 335 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: saying I didn't mean it, but then I then I 336 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: was gonna tell you truth. I didn't mean it. I 337 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: wanted to alburn people to hate me as much as 338 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: I hate him, because they bought Cam Newton. Scam. You 339 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: know who he is. Scam Newton, a camp back. Okay, 340 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do some translating for the non sports people 341 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: you may have heard of NFL quarterback Cam Newton. Harvey 342 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: calls him Scam Newton. Back in college, Newton was a 343 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: star player at Auburn, which made him enemy number one 344 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: at Alabama. Throughout two thousand ten, Newton was under investigation 345 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: after allegations that he had been paid to play for Auburn. 346 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: That's a big no no in college sports. Cam Newton 347 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: was eventually officially cleared of these allegations. That season, Newton 348 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: led Auburn to a historic comeback victory over Alabama in 349 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: the Iron Ball, a stinging defeat coming on the heels 350 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: of an even greater outrage for Harvey. They home the 351 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: Scam Newton jersey on Bear bryan statue. That's when I 352 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: went crazy. Yes, fans taped Cam Newton's jersey onto Bear 353 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: Bryant's statue a week before the iron Ball This is true. 354 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: You can it or that like like I like sacrileged. Yes. Yes. 355 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: Harvey also says that when Bear Bryant died in Auburn, 356 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: fans rolled Tumors corner in celebration. Now, there's no proof 357 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: that something so ghoulish as that happened, but again, I 358 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: believe that Harvey believes it. At this point in the meal, 359 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm kind of understanding why all of this was so 360 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: upsetting for Harvey. Auburn fans taped Scam Newton's Forgive Me 361 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: Cam Newton's jersey onto a statue of Bear Bryant, which 362 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm guessing in Harvey's mind was tantamount to mocking his father. 363 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: But then Harvey goes into a clinical, step by step 364 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: description of how he poisoned the trees in the middle 365 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: of this family seafood restaurant in front of his granddaughter. 366 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: Took me a month. Ever, now I stay up all 367 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: not long, and I used to have cameras on the trees. 368 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: I figured out when the slow most time, what day 369 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: of the week, and what hour of the night was 370 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: the slowest around old oak trees, so I could go 371 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: in there at that time and not get caught at 372 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: what time was it? And boy am on Sunday night. 373 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: The chemical he used was an herbicide called spike a 374 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: D D F. Mixed it with water and put it 375 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: in a Milton jugs. I had to milk guts roots 376 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: tree and I walked around the the outside of the tree, 377 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: you know where the bulgage came out, so just pouring 378 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 1: it around, almost like gasoline to set a fire. Like 379 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: when he arrested me, they came to my house. They 380 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: brought I'm not lying to you. They brought twenty five 381 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: police cards out there are searching my house. We can't 382 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: verify that. And they told me that, uh, I used way, way, 383 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: way too much. We can verify that. Try five times 384 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: the lethal I'm out there was even concerned from federal 385 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: police officers that he might have poisoned the water table. 386 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: In other words, Harvey Updyke put Auburn's drinking water at risk. 387 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't have chemist. I didn't know how 388 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: much do you use? I just want to make sure 389 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: they died. It felt like I was sitting across from 390 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: someone who had been radicalized. I know, fanaticism in sports 391 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: didn't start with Harvey. In nineteen seventeen, Texas A and 392 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: M fans stole the University of Texas's mascot steer Bibo 393 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: and branded him, And just the last year, West Point 394 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: Cadets kidnapped the Air Force mascot falcon Aurora and seriously 395 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: injured her. Grown ups did this. Maybe it's fitting that 396 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: the voice of reason at this table belongs to eleven 397 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: year old Madison. Yeah. I don't know why he wants 398 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: people to hate him my name. They probably already do. 399 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: But he's not really acting like his age. He's kind 400 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: of acting young, like he's back in elementary school. I 401 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: would never want someone to hate me as much. I 402 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: would hate that. I'm sorry, baby, And just like that, 403 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: I'm feeling a little better about Harvey. Do you like 404 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: trees in general? Yeah? I like trees in general. You know, 405 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: I just don't like alb There's several things in this 406 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: world and I really intruded. I don't like and Alburn's 407 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: one of them. What are the others? Liver? I ain't 408 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: gonna eat no liver. It's got a lot of protein. 409 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: I don't care what had happened. I don't eat liver. 410 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: And what are the other things you don't like? I 411 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: hate to say this because this is an upset a 412 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: lot of people, but I hold my breath. I'm not 413 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: crazy about cats. I didn't know what you were gonna say. 414 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: Just now. Okay, So Harvey is so matter of fact 415 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: describing his crime, but there was nothing matter of fact 416 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: about it for the Auburn community. After the trees were poisoned. 417 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: The first thing that happened after it was announced was 418 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: the fans rolled the trees, almost like, Okay, we're gonna 419 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: show our concern for you by rolling you. I'm back 420 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: with Gary Kiev, the horticulturist and former Auburn professor, and 421 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: he's telling me about the aftermath of the two thousand 422 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: eleven poisoning. I empathized with the students because they were 423 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: filling the trees pain And the next thing they did 424 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: was to begin to insurround the trees. They began to 425 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: bring up flowers, They began to bring up memorabilia to 426 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: pay respects. Toilet paper rolls inscribed with get well messages 427 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: were laid down a bouquet of flowers made out of 428 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: toilet paper. I began to see the human quality that 429 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: these trees brought out in people. This vigil. Absolutely, absolutely 430 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: thank you to the Auburn family for the outpouring of 431 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: love that you are showing now during this time of hurt. 432 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: These trees will likely die, but the Auburn spirit we'll 433 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: continue to live on. While the prognosis was Grandma, some 434 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: held out hope, including Gary Kiver and are you in 435 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: rescue mode right now? What is where is your head 436 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: when all of this is happening. Well, at this point 437 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: we didn't know where the herbside had been placed, we 438 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: didn't know how much, so we were way behind the curve. 439 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: The university consulted with the nation's best tree doctors. Various 440 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: treatments were tried at great expense, Sugar injected into the roots, 441 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: liquid activated carbon drenched over tree beds, but the tumors 442 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: oaks only got sicker. In essence, the trees was starving 443 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: it seft today. I mean when you see something like 444 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: that happening, I mean, do you feel for the tree 445 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: without a doubt, without a doubt, you know. I mean, 446 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: We've got this majestic trees that do no harm to 447 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: anyone if someone has chosen to harm them, and it 448 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: makes no sense to me. If you want to know 449 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: how this felt for Auburn, listen to the voice of 450 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: Gary Keeper's colleague Stephen and Low, when he was asked 451 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: by a reporter if the trees were definitely going to die. 452 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: It's an emotional question. Oh, I always want to hold 453 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: that home. Based upon the technical experts are consulted with 454 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: around the country, the concentration of spike basically found within 455 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: the soil would suggest there is a very low probability. 456 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: On April thirteen, two and a half years after Harvey 457 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: uptake had poisoned them, the tumors oaks were removed, it 458 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: is so said. And then every time the chain stow 459 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: cuts and just listen to the people get closed. So 460 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: that's a sad day. It's uh tough to talk about. 461 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: Just think this, it's like a funeral. I mean, just 462 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: people have tears in their eyes, or they did when 463 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: the street was barricaded off and there were hundreds of 464 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: people out there. Uh, there were people crying without a doubt, 465 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: and surprisingly some of those who had come to bear 466 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: witness were from Alabama. In the effort to save the trees, 467 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: Auburn's arch rival had raised it over fifty dollars on 468 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: a Facebook page called Tied for Tumors. In many ways, 469 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: of poisoning brought Auburn in Alabama closer together because many 470 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: of the Alabama fans felt maybe, in some way a 471 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: small part responsible for their poisoning. I'm driving with Harvey now. 472 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: We've just left the restaurant where he described in detail 473 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: his crime. Let me ask when we were sitting in 474 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: the restaurant, so you said you you were honest, and 475 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: you said you don't regret it. But do you think 476 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: it was wrong what you did? Yes, I think it's wrong. 477 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: You know, them trees wouldn't hurt me, but that's the 478 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: only way I felt like I could get back at. 479 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't gonna hurt anybody, and at the 480 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: time we had just found out that my ex wife 481 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: had cancer. On the one hand, unrelieved that Harvey actually 482 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: recognizes that what he did was wrong, I guess I 483 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: was depressed. On the other hand, he's making excuses again. Yeah, 484 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: I think everybody has done things that they regret, probably 485 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: not a magnitude that I did. But if you could 486 00:32:51,440 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: say anything to those trees, what would you say to them? 487 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: I'd probably say sorry, but too late. Now we're back 488 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: at Harvey's house now, actually it's his son Bears house. 489 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: Harvey moved in here in two thousand seventeen. Oh you 490 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: got a huge upstairs. Well, that's where I stay. It's 491 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: not really a bedroom where he's staying when I visit, 492 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: more like the second floor landing. Do you see all 493 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: my hats? They're really nice. I mean, I got a 494 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: bunch of them. That's a pretty good looking hat. I care. 495 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: I like that. Bam. This is the one Bear Brynet 496 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: used to wear. The kind of he wore. I didn't 497 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: start liking on yesterday. Uh, you've been with them for 498 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: four decades now, you know. I stayed with him when 499 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: day was down, but they didn't stay with him when 500 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: he was down. Too many Crimson Tide fans. Harvey became 501 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: a pariah, denounced by no less a person than Alabama 502 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: head coach Nick Saban. Part of what makes this so 503 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: sad is that Harvey didn't even go to Alabama. He 504 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: didn't even grow up in the state, but across the 505 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: line in the Florida Panhandle. Harvey is a member of 506 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: what's known unofficially as the pickup truck Alumni, working class 507 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: people so inspired by the heroics of Bear Bryant that 508 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: they became die hard fans who take the rivalry way 509 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: more seriously than the actual alumni do. And now the 510 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: Alabama community was looking down at him worse than they 511 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: ever looked at those kids from Auburn. You got your 512 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: pills there? What are the pills for? I take about 513 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: thirty pills a day for what everything? I mean everything, 514 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: I've got everything. It's a veneerial disease. Harvey spent six 515 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: months in a small jail in Lee County, that's where 516 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: Auburn is. He said he got jumped several times by 517 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: Auburn fans serving time there, and that people would spit 518 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: in his food. He said he lost over eighty pounds, 519 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: and if you compare photos before and after his sentence, 520 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: you can see that he's not lying. He came out 521 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: looking gaunt and pale. Do you think it was extreme 522 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: the punishment? Yes, I do. I mean what what I 523 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: did I shouldn't have done. But I think I pretty 524 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: well got what I deserved. You know, I think, I mean, 525 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: I think I deserved to go to jail for doing it. 526 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean I do, I mean I shouldn't have done it. Yes, 527 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: I know, Harvey just completely contradicted himself. Again. As for 528 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: whether Harvey's punishment that is crime, no surprise, Alabama's legal 529 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: community is divided. It was almost a personal attack. These 530 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: weren't just a couple of trees. There are a lot 531 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: of cheers have been shed over this. That's Lee County 532 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: d A. Brandon Hughes. If you remove that emotional attachment 533 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: to those two trees, his case is way out of 534 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: proportion of what ordinarily would be charged. And that's University 535 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: of Alabama law professor Jenny Carroll. Harvey was charged with 536 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: a Class C felony, which for a non violent first offense, 537 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: was not typical. There was also a misdemeanor charge for 538 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: and I find this significant, desecrating a venerated object. There 539 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: were plenty effects who felt like, if ever there was 540 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: a time for capital punishment, it was this time. There 541 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: was no trial, A plea deal was struck, which included 542 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: the six month long jail sentence, a five year probationary 543 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: period and over eight hundred thousand dollars in restitution at 544 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: a payment rate of two hundred dollars a month. It 545 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: will take Harvey more than three hundred years to make good. 546 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: I think it was garbage. I think he got off easy. 547 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: To call it a slap on the wrist is overstating. 548 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: I think it was a kiss on the cheek. That's nothing, 549 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing for what he did. Harvey was banned for 550 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: life from Auburn's campus as part of the probation, he 551 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: had a seven pm curfew, and worst of all, for Harvey, 552 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: was not allowed to go to any college sporting events, 553 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: which meant no Alabama football for five years. They are 554 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: punishing him at the very heart of the thing he 555 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: loves the most. It's like a modern day shunning, right, 556 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: Like you have to leave our community that we all 557 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: consider so valuable. Still, a lot of people weren't satisfied. 558 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: I think you'd be hard pressed to find anybody around 559 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: here that says, yes, justice was served. After he was 560 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: out of jail. That guy didn't look back. He was 561 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: He was a hero to the Alabama people. I wondered 562 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: what this was like for Harvey's family, while this was 563 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: all happening, It doesn't. Marcia Updyke is Bear's wife and 564 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: Harvey's daughter in law. She's just home from work and 565 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: we sit in the kitchen to chat. Do you think 566 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 1: if he'd been living with you all and been involved 567 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: with the grandkids, then that he would have done it? Oh? 568 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: Heck no, because he would have been like, hey, I 569 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: got this idea, and I'm like, heck no, we're not 570 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: going to go do that. But anything. I don't even 571 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: let him take food upstairs. She wanted to run and 572 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 1: take the food upstairs. So sometimes I'll naked, I put 573 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: in my pockets take upstairs anymo. Yeah, So there would 574 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: have been no poison. No, no poison. It would have 575 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: been a different world when this was all happening. Marcia, 576 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: What did you think? I don't know. We weren't directly involved. 577 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: You know. On a serious note, there were fans that 578 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: would like Bear had to shut down his Facebook page 579 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: because he would receive death threat and that was ridiculous. 580 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: So it's so funny because they would get so upset. 581 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: These Auburn fans would get so upset because of what 582 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: happened and then message his son and that they're his 583 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: kids should die. And seriously, it was hypocritical of them 584 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: to say they were outraged by this and then turn 585 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: around and threaten your kids. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, do you 586 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: feel bad for the trees? So here's the thing, their trees. 587 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, don't get me wrong. I 588 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: mean that's going to be super insensitive to something oaks, 589 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: and Um, what people need to know is I don't 590 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: care about I mean it, I shouldn't say I don't care, 591 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: but it's it's football, it's Auburn, it's Alabama. But when 592 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: I found out like the value that they placed on 593 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: those trees and things like that, I was a little 594 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: surprised myself. I do have to say, so I understand 595 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: they are special and um, it was devastating. But you know, 596 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: if someone comes and breaks a statue or something along 597 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: those lines, I'm not sure that the ramifications are as 598 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, intricate as they were for that, they 599 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: would be punished as much. Yeah, they definitely breaks him 600 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: over the coals a little bit. They definitely threw the 601 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: book at him and said, hey, we're going to go 602 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: to the highest of the high. Yeah, I'm gonna go 603 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: Ald Barbara Walters on you if the trees could talk, 604 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: what do you think they would say when they see 605 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: those toilet paper rolls coming at them? Brace for contact. 606 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: I guess I don't. I'm sure. I'm back with horticulturist 607 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: Gary Kiever at Auburn. Now, if you're an Auburn partisan, 608 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: you're probably fuming right now from Marcia's they're just trees. 609 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: Take But before you go all lo rax speaking for 610 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: the trees, listen to this. There there hazards associated with 611 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: the rolling tradition. Historically, the paper was removed with high 612 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: pressure fire hoses and that damaged the trees. That weakened 613 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: the trees. Oftentimes, by the end of the football season 614 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: there was no no foliage on the lower third of 615 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: the tree. You know, they had declined over time. Plant 616 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 1: pathologists had warned against rolling. One even dared to joke 617 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: that it would help if Auburn just stopped winning. So 618 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: it sounds like the trees weren't always treated right. They 619 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: were not. They were They were special because of the 620 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: tradition and their location. If they had been located elsewhere 621 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: on campus, we might have replaced them, but we were 622 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: going to keep them at all costs because of their role. 623 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 1: In the tradition. So was the tradition that made these 624 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: trees so beloved also the thing that was slowly killing them. 625 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: They weren't on Magnolia. In my opinion, it was getting 626 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: close to the end of his life. This wasn't privileged information. 627 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: In the summer of two thousand seven, three years before 628 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: Harvey doused the trees and Spike a d d F, 629 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 1: a headline in Auburn's Alumni magazine asked the question too 630 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: late for the tumors trees. Local outlets reported on the 631 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: trees declining health. The student newspaper declared, even more bluntly, 632 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: landmark tumors trees dying. Now. I don't know if you're 633 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: aware of this, but as early as two thousand and 634 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: seven the trees were in pretty poor health. Does that matter? No, 635 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't get a pass for killing a 636 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: nine year old person because they were in bad health 637 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: to begin with. That's Lee County d A. Brandon us Again. 638 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 1: Please don't think I'm comparing a tree to a person. 639 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: But the point being is, you know, Dr Calvorkian didn't 640 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: get away with murder because the person was going to 641 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 1: die anyway. But Jenny Carroll says that if they could 642 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: do it all again, Harvey might have a case. If 643 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: Auburn fans were already killing those trees, then I think 644 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 1: he could make a claim that he did not actually 645 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: kill them. If he was looking for a defense lawyer 646 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 1: who would actually take his case, I would be perfectly 647 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: willing to defend that man. I think we could have 648 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: done better maybe than he did on that plea deal. 649 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: On November tenth, two thousand eighteen, Harvey Updike was feeling 650 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,760 Speaker 1: good driving in his deep red pickup truck towards Bryant 651 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: Denny Stadium in Tuscaloosa, home of the University of Alabama, 652 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: to watch his beloved Crimson Tide take on Mississippi State, 653 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:50,720 Speaker 1: his first Alabama home game since his probation ended Denny Stadium. 654 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: And it is beautiful, thousands of Alabama fans and in 655 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: Harvey's not lying load today, bring Cowboy. He hoots and 656 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: hollers through the whole game, turns Da Baba. One of 657 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: the Bama fans sitting behind him, realizes who he is 658 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: and high five. No Burday night. I didn't think I'd 659 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: ever get to come back here before I died. Something 660 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: tells me Harvey will be with us for a while. 661 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,280 Speaker 1: Just listen to him at one of his granddaughter's recent 662 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: softball games. Yes, yes, yes, I'll admit it. I've developed 663 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 1: a little bit of a soft spot for Harvey. Look, 664 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's innocent of a crime he clearly committed. 665 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 1: This isn't making of a tree murderer. But I don't 666 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: see the seeds of a homicidal maniac in him. I 667 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,839 Speaker 1: see someone who latched onto a community, to an identity 668 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: that made him feel like he belonged, who got carried 669 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: away by the tide of what really is an obsession, 670 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:26,280 Speaker 1: Alabama football. He did something terrible. He's a fanatic, for sure, 671 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: but I guess I don't think he's a dangerous fanatic, 672 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: at least not any longer. There's not a day it 673 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: doesn't go by that I don't get up and read 674 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: tighter and tighter, and then I go look at de bituaries, 675 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: and if my name is not in there, then I'll 676 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: probably go back and lay down sleep a little bit longer. 677 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: He knows what he did was wrong, and deep down 678 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: I think he does regret it. I want to be 679 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: cremated and and I want half my ashes put on 680 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: REALM Bryant Denny Stadium in a best them around too 681 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: mus corner, so they don't know I've been there, or 682 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't. When I leave this world, I want 683 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 1: people to say he was a good father, he was 684 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: a good step father, and he was a very very 685 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: good Alabama fan. I admit I I like them too much. 686 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: We should note that on Sunday, March three, tornadoes ravaged 687 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 1: parts of the southeast. At least twenty three people were 688 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: killed in Lee County, Alabama, home of Auburn University. Our 689 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,720 Speaker 1: sympathies are with the victims and their family and friends. 690 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,240 Speaker 1: I certainly hope you enjoyed this first season of Mobituaries. 691 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: If you haven't heard the previous seven episodes, please go 692 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 1: back and listen while you're there. It would be awfully 693 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: nice if you'd rate and review the podcast. You can 694 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: also follow Mobituaries on Facebook and Instagram, and you can 695 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,279 Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter at Morocca. You can subscribe to 696 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: Mobituaries wherever you get your podcasts. For more great content 697 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 1: and to see Harvey's reaction to Alabama's lost to Clemson 698 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: in the two thousand eighteen Championship game, please go to 699 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: Mobituaries dot Com at your own risk. This episode of 700 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: Mobituaries was produced by Kate mccauliffe. Our team of producers 701 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: also includes Gideon Evans, Megan Marcus, Megan Dietrie, and me Morocca. 702 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: It was engineered by Bart Warshaw, indispensable support from Genius Staneski, 703 00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: Show she Cement, Zach Gilcrest and Richard Roarer. 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