Speaker 1: I'm a phone sex operator, and basically people just like
Speaker 1: pay per minute to like talk on the phone basically
Speaker 1: about whatever they want. And sometimes it's like old people
Speaker 1: who don't know how to use computers, so they just
Speaker 1: call the like they'll see like a Raccy commercial or
Speaker 1: something even like call the number.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say when I watched like
Speaker 2: South Park or something like that, like there's always the
Speaker 2: commercial for the phone sex thing. But every time I
Speaker 2: see that, I'm like, I feel like anyone who Luna,
Speaker 2: Hello Luna. It says here that you are a phone
Speaker 2: sex operator, and you think it would be cool to
Speaker 2: see what I think about that profession? Well, who cares
Speaker 2: what I thought? How did you get into this profession?
Speaker 1: Well? Well, okay, so I've been a sex worker for
Speaker 1: like two years now, and I want to say, like
Speaker 1: business wasn't really booming for me. So I watched some
Speaker 1: videos with some like veteran sex workers and we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you got to you got to get into phone sex.
Speaker 1: You got to get into phone sex. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I do have this like kind of like soft breathy voice,
Speaker 1: so it would be interesting. And so I went on.
Speaker 1: You go online basically and you just kind of like
Speaker 1: sign up and terify your ID and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: fill out a W two and then people pay you
Speaker 1: to talk on the phone with them.
Speaker 2: Interesting, So is this is this like, uh, what kind
Speaker 2: of sex work were you doing before? Was it like
Speaker 2: only fans? Was there were you at the strip club?
Speaker 2: What was the what was the nature of the game?
Speaker 1: I wish I wish I could do. I wish I
Speaker 1: could were at a strip club. I was doing only fans,
Speaker 1: and I was also selling like content outside of the
Speaker 1: platform as well.
Speaker 2: So the phone sex thing, do you not do that
Speaker 2: through only fans? Is that like a different service or something.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's a completely different service. Actually, it's like
Speaker 1: it's more of a kind of like an archaic form
Speaker 1: of sex work, like an archaic form of online sex work,
Speaker 1: if you will. It's like it came before, like only
Speaker 1: fans and stuff, and basically people just like pay per
Speaker 1: minute to like talk on the phone basically about whatever
Speaker 1: they want. And sometimes it's like old people who don't
Speaker 1: know how to use computers, so they just call the
Speaker 1: like they'll see like a racy commercial or something even
Speaker 1: like call the number.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say, when I watched like
Speaker 2: South Park or something like that, Like there's always the
Speaker 2: commercial for the phone sex thing. But every time I
Speaker 2: see that, I'm like, I feel like anyone who like
Speaker 2: wants to do something like that, they have whatever, the
Speaker 2: only fans chat rooms and all that stuff. I feel like,
Speaker 2: who's calling the phone number they see on TV? But
Speaker 2: I guess I guess that's that's a demographics. Older people
Speaker 2: who don't know how to use the computer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised at how like
Speaker 1: how many people that you know how to work a
Speaker 1: phone will that don't know how to work a computer
Speaker 1: will call the lines. I get people, and you know,
Speaker 1: when our college finished, I'm like, well, like do you
Speaker 1: have an email? Can I like email you something racy
Speaker 1: or whatever? And they'll be like, I don't have an email?
Speaker 1: Like how do you not have an email?
Speaker 2: What do they do? They get you your their physical
Speaker 2: address to like mail them a letter or something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Actually, sometimes customers are like here, this is my number,
Speaker 1: and they'll like stay out loud, They're like text me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not going to text you. I can't
Speaker 1: call you. Like like people will try to give me
Speaker 1: their personal information over the phone, and I'm like, they're
Speaker 1: typically older too, and I'm like, why are you giving
Speaker 1: some random girl that you've called on a number you
Speaker 1: saw on a television your home address or like your
Speaker 1: personal phone number.
Speaker 2: I no, I wish they seem to trust you.
Speaker 1: It surprisingly people, So does.
Speaker 2: Does anyone ask you for anything unconventional? Or is it?
Speaker 2: Like you know, I feel like with phone sex, how
Speaker 2: you have to be really creative, Like you have to
Speaker 2: be way more creative with phone sex than with actual sex,
Speaker 2: because you got to be like a p oh oh
Speaker 2: it dude. Like with real sex, you just you put
Speaker 2: you know, everything is very physical, it's it's it's there,
Speaker 2: it's show, don't tell. But you know, phone sex it's
Speaker 2: all in the description and the imagination requires far more
Speaker 2: creativity than actual sex.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it has Actually as a sex worker, it
Speaker 1: has furthered my skill because now I sure I can
Speaker 1: get the job done without even showing you know, any
Speaker 1: and even my face. Yeah, when I when I'm on
Speaker 1: the phone, sometimes I have the souris open for like
Speaker 1: younger customers because well, I don't want to put this
Speaker 1: into like a stereotype, but This is just from my experience.
Speaker 1: Older customers, if you say anything that's like slang for like,
Speaker 1: if you say like it, Dad gets the job done,
Speaker 1: it's satisfied. But for younger customers, typically in their thirties
Speaker 1: maybe forties, you have to be really really really descriptive
Speaker 1: and like really raunchy with them because they're just like
Speaker 1: so desensitized.
Speaker 2: So you when you say when you say, you can
Speaker 2: just say tits and it gets the job done for
Speaker 2: an older person, Like what do you write? Do you
Speaker 2: just say? Like I mean what I what do you?
Speaker 2: What do you even say to these people? Like how
Speaker 2: does it? I can't even think of, like how you
Speaker 2: would start?
Speaker 1: I mean I want to keep everything as PG as
Speaker 1: possible because I would hate to like shadow band you
Speaker 1: or anything. But I have this one customer.
Speaker 2: We can cuss, right, you can say whatever you wants.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just yeah, okay. I have this small customer
Speaker 1: and he's obviously like in hiss, like seventies eighties, like
Speaker 1: probably bedraded, like he he just sounds old. I can
Speaker 1: tell and basically our entire well, okay, I guess I'll
Speaker 1: tell you how Like I typically start off, I'm like, hello,
Speaker 1: this is Luna, and they'll typically tell me like, you know,
Speaker 1: hey saw your photo blah blah blah, or you know,
Speaker 1: heard your greeting, and I'll just kind of nonchalantly say, well, like,
Speaker 1: what do you want to do tonight? What are you into?
Speaker 1: If it's a new customer, but if it's a regular
Speaker 1: I kind of know what they already want. We already
Speaker 1: get into it, and then based on like their reactions
Speaker 1: to things and what they say to me, I can
Speaker 1: kind of fine tune it and like give them the
Speaker 1: experience that they fully want. But typically in the beginning,
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, how are you how are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great, and then we just kind of get
Speaker 1: into it, or if they have trouble, like some people
Speaker 1: are a little shy, I'll just kind of slowly ease
Speaker 1: into it and then they get you know, they get
Speaker 1: really into it in the end.
Speaker 2: So tell me, I'm curious, are you you know? I
Speaker 2: guess I guess not even just phone sex, but sex
Speaker 2: work in general. Do you enjoy the profession itself or
Speaker 2: do are you just sort of doing it as a
Speaker 2: way to make money and you have sort of something
Speaker 2: else that you intend to pursue In addition to that.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, well for now, I guess uh, okay, Well,
Speaker 1: originally I did start sex work for just because I
Speaker 1: needed funds, but then I actually really started to enjoy it,
Speaker 1: and once I got into phone sex, I learned that
Speaker 1: I actually really really love phone sex. It's kind of okay,
Speaker 1: don't take that the wrong way, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: like what you do, you know, I kind of I sit.
Speaker 2: On the phone. There's a amount of similarities here, I
Speaker 2: will admit.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, And you know, it's just it's kind of
Speaker 1: the same thing. I get to talk to all different
Speaker 1: kinds of people, and sometimes it is It's just sometimes
Speaker 1: it's people who are actually just lonely and just want
Speaker 1: to talk or like talk like vent about their day.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Do you have a lot of people who are just
Speaker 2: talking about like their day and it doesn't even get sexual.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, it kind of feels weird because I'm
Speaker 1: I'm so used to being like creative on the spot
Speaker 1: and saying like really really gnarly words, and they just
Speaker 1: want to talk about like what they bought at the
Speaker 1: grocery store, and I'm like, I like have to forciately
Speaker 1: tone myself down for those people.
Speaker 2: So you're enjoying getting to so I saw, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean there is a lot of similarities between what
Speaker 2: we do. We get to talk to a lot of
Speaker 2: different people. It sounds about a lot of different miscellaneous things.
Speaker 2: Do phone sex, I do phone gets?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Do you so?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 2: Okay, So now since starting phone sex uh for work,
Speaker 2: do you find in your personal sex life to be
Speaker 2: doing a lot more phone stuff?
Speaker 1: Actually no, I don't actually part It's okay, it's it's
Speaker 1: not really personally phone sex isn't something that like carries
Speaker 1: me on. I prefer you know, physical like in real
Speaker 1: life sex. I will say that it does make the
Speaker 1: dirty talk in the bedroom a lot more racy and
Speaker 1: creative just because of the you know, the vernacular that
Speaker 1: I picked up from being on the lines with people.
Speaker 1: So it's made me successful in the bedroom, and it
Speaker 1: has also made me successful in like like sexting people
Speaker 1: or like on dates when I'm like flirting. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: makes me successful with flirting in real life. But I
Speaker 1: don't I don't have like actual phone sex with people
Speaker 1: in my in my real life.
Speaker 2: Well, you know the reason why I asked you the
Speaker 2: question of like, you know, I know, you said you
Speaker 2: started it for money, but is it, like, you know,
Speaker 2: is it just for money? Are you enjoying it?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 2: Because okay, it sounds like you're very good at it.
Speaker 2: And I feel like people, no matter what the thing is,
Speaker 2: get enjoyment from doing things that they are good at
Speaker 2: and competent that because it gives you confidence to know
Speaker 2: that you're good at something. Yeah, like, there's there's a
Speaker 2: lot to there's a lot of what you know, pride
Speaker 2: and happiness to be gained there with you know that itself.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Do you have anything else that you that you aspire
Speaker 2: aspire to do?
Speaker 1: M hm oh yeah, I mean I do have bigger dreams.
Speaker 1: I am a pretty I'm a pretty decent artist, and
Speaker 1: I like to sew and stuff. So I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about maybe going to fashion school or going to art
Speaker 1: school as well. But typically, I mean not typically financially wise.
Speaker 1: I think I already have like a decent job that
Speaker 1: I really really like. So maybe on the side, for
Speaker 1: like shits and giggles, I might sell my art eventually.
Speaker 2: Do you have any advice to people out there who
Speaker 2: might be listening who, because I've I've been in this
Speaker 2: situation before, where like I've you know, been whatever with
Speaker 2: someone a dirty texting thing, and I don't know what,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell to say. I don't
Speaker 2: there's only like, there's only like really five things you
Speaker 2: can do, and I'm not very creative. What do you
Speaker 2: have for people like that? People who are listening? How
Speaker 2: can we be more creative in our phone and texting
Speaker 2: sex lives?
Speaker 1: Well, let's see, definitely go on with this surus. Wait,
Speaker 1: actually you use.
Speaker 2: A the sor you're on there on the phone sex
Speaker 2: line with a thesaurus in front of you.
Speaker 1: Actually, I recently discovered this better website. It's called I
Speaker 1: think it's called word Hippo. That's a better sours.
Speaker 2: You're on word hippo while you're doing the phone sex.
Speaker 1: Yes, because sometimes sometimes it's like, oh, I don't want
Speaker 1: to say that word over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: so you want to say something new and right.
Speaker 2: That's you can only say tits like twice before the
Speaker 2: whole magic is gone. You can't how many times can
Speaker 2: you say tests? Or how many words are there for cock?
Speaker 2: You starting shoulders and elbows and stuff. You're getting twisted,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: But the biggest thing is adjectives. Adjectives. Sorry, I don't
Speaker 1: know why I put a G in there. Adjectives are
Speaker 1: probably the most important thing when it comes to phone
Speaker 1: sex and texting. You want to be very, very descriptive
Speaker 1: with you know your body parts and how you want
Speaker 1: them to move. Of course, like for me, I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm a curvacious lady, so I use a lot of
Speaker 1: adjectives to describe the way my curvaceousness feels and maybe
Speaker 1: the way it might make my customer feel, maybe the
Speaker 1: way it moves. So definitely go on word hippo, look
Speaker 1: up some adjectives for what you feel your body type
Speaker 1: might be like, or what you feel you know, how
Speaker 1: you want something to.
Speaker 2: Move in to a thosaurus to find words for how
Speaker 2: your body might feel like. That's actually pretty good actionable
Speaker 2: advice on that.
Speaker 1: Yes, And also instead of saying when when I when
Speaker 1: I sext people or when people try to sex me
Speaker 1: in real life, they tend to say like, oh, I
Speaker 1: want to do this or I want to do that,
Speaker 1: you should say I'm gonna do this, or you should
Speaker 1: say yeah, you should, you should you should put.
Speaker 2: More confident speech. You know what I would even say
Speaker 2: that's you could apply that outside of sex talk. It's
Speaker 2: just a general motivational thing. I'm gonna wake up at
Speaker 2: six am and go climb that mountain. I'm gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: come on your boobe, whatever the thing is.
Speaker 1: Yes, I cannot imagine what it would be like waking
Speaker 1: up at six am and climbing the mountain. Jesus crazy.
Speaker 2: Luna. Do you have any final thoughts before we go?
Speaker 1: I do not, actually, well, okay, my final thought is
Speaker 1: I'm glad I was able to talk to you about
Speaker 1: my profession because I don't actually tell anyone that i'm
Speaker 1: besides like my my, my people who are close to me.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad I was able to fully talk to
Speaker 1: someone on the phone about it.
Speaker 2: Beautiful. Thank you very much for sharing with us, Luna.
Speaker 1: And oh yes, bless.
Speaker 2: You having the rest of the night.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, you too.
Speaker 2: Wonder if she's going to send us an invoice for that? Melvin, Hi, Melvin.
Speaker 2: It says here you just got an oculus and you
Speaker 2: feel like you're more capable of conversing with people in
Speaker 2: virtual reality than you are in real life. This is
Speaker 2: a very interesting topic. I would love to hear more
Speaker 2: about your experience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So.
Speaker 4: I had my quest to for about a week now,
Speaker 4: and I have anxiety when I talk to people. It
Speaker 4: used to be really bad, but it's gotten better. But
Speaker 4: I feel like when I'm playing games in virtual reality,
Speaker 4: I can just it's easy to just walk up to
Speaker 4: someone and be like, Hey, what's going on. So I've
Speaker 4: been I've been making some friends and it's pretty cool
Speaker 4: talking to them.
Speaker 2: So what is the like landscape of this, Like, are
Speaker 2: you just dropped into some sort of like virtual meeting
Speaker 2: town and you have to like go up to someone
Speaker 2: in game in order for them to be able to
Speaker 2: hear you. Like, how does this logistically work?
Speaker 4: I guess that depends on the game that you're playing.
Speaker 4: I've been playing a game called rec Room, which is
Speaker 4: just it's you can talk to people, and it's also
Speaker 4: got community community made worlds and stuff that you can
Speaker 4: go visit, but then mini games like it's got tcharades
Speaker 4: and dodgeball. But the way it works is when you
Speaker 4: walk near somebody, you can just start talking and they
Speaker 4: can hear you. You can like to put your hand
Speaker 4: over your mouth and you stop talking. But there's a
Speaker 4: lot of little kids that play the game and it's
Speaker 4: kind of annoying sometimes because you'll like walk in and
Speaker 4: it's just a bunch of twelve year old screaming at
Speaker 4: each other and squeakers. But it's not. It's not all
Speaker 4: just kids. Like I met this mom. She was I
Speaker 4: think around kunded like she was around forties. She kept
Speaker 4: on talking to your kids, she was she was interesting
Speaker 4: to talk to.
Speaker 2: Interesting. You met this mom in what was the game?
Speaker 4: Oh, wreck room? We were playing charade?
Speaker 2: Interesting? And so, uh do you is this a person
Speaker 2: that you keep in contact with at all? Like these
Speaker 2: people that you meet in VR, are they one off
Speaker 2: sort of social interactions or are you building significant relationships
Speaker 2: with any of the people that you're meeting online.
Speaker 4: I'd say some of them are one off, like the moms.
Speaker 4: She was nice, but she was I don't know. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't really want to stay friends with her, but it
Speaker 4: was okay. I met this one other the other dude.
Speaker 4: His name is Penguin, and we've played for three days now,
Speaker 4: and i'll again and what do all daily challenges together?
Speaker 4: Play paintball with laser jag and then no, I may
Speaker 4: we just go and say sharade. But yeah, he's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hm. So you're twenty years old, it says
Speaker 2: here and get Have you always been anxious talking to people?
Speaker 4: I feel like when I was a kid, I wasn't,
Speaker 4: and then around middle school up, I've kind of had
Speaker 4: some anxiety talking to new people. It's interesting. I work
Speaker 4: at a grocery store, and we When I like have
Speaker 4: the mask on and I'm at work, I kind of
Speaker 4: feel like I can just talk to people about like
Speaker 4: I'll stop customers and like interact with them. But as
Speaker 4: soon as soon as I'm not at work and I'm
Speaker 4: just myself, I like lose all my social skills. I
Speaker 4: was at Walmart one time and I had to ask
Speaker 4: ay a questions and just I was I started sweating.
Speaker 4: I was watching my forehead, stumbling over my words, like
Speaker 4: if you followed me, and I was like, I need
Speaker 4: you to repeat what you said. I couldn't under saying
Speaker 4: what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Dude, so interesting you you gave up and you had
Speaker 2: to leave.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't it. Just I was like, it's ay,
Speaker 4: and I just walked away from here.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting to hear you say that. I feel
Speaker 2: like there's a big fact I want to call it,
Speaker 2: like the justification factor of social interactions, where like, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're at a party and you go up to
Speaker 2: talk to someone, it's like, why are you talking to me? Like,
Speaker 2: you know, you're you're thinking about You're thinking about all
Speaker 2: the reasons in the other person's head about why they
Speaker 2: will like find what you're doing weird. But when you're
Speaker 2: somehow like justified in your existence, in your position on
Speaker 2: the earth at that very moment, like why are you
Speaker 2: talking to me? Well, because I'm bringing you up, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like this is a established familiar relationship. I almost
Speaker 2: feel that way similarly with this Gecko thing, where I'm
Speaker 2: a lot more able to have social interactions weirdly, you know,
Speaker 2: on this podcast and whenever I'm doing geck with things
Speaker 2: than I am in real life. So there's there's you know,
Speaker 2: it's a legitimate, legitimate thing. I'm curious for you. Do
Speaker 2: you desire Okay, so you have this sort of social
Speaker 2: anxiety around real life, but when you're on the job
Speaker 2: or when you're in VR, you're chilling, you're shucking, you're driving,
Speaker 2: your your smooth moves, do you desire to take what
Speaker 2: you're learning in these areas in which you're more comfortable
Speaker 2: and bring it out into the real world or are
Speaker 2: you sort of chilling in your comfort zone? Where where?
Speaker 2: Where does your desire lie?
Speaker 4: I feel like I I've been working on that a
Speaker 4: little bit. I could do a little bit harder, but
Speaker 4: I'd love. I'd love to be the way that I
Speaker 4: am at work and in VR just everywhere, because I
Speaker 4: love talking to people. I love just starting a conversations
Speaker 4: about rand things or telling them a joke and then
Speaker 4: continuing on from there. But it's just hard to do
Speaker 4: that in real life talking to strangers, you know, m
Speaker 4: h m hm. But I guess not really you, but
Speaker 4: you don't feel like a stranger.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess this is a verse. This is a
Speaker 2: version of like, I mean, how do you feel? How
Speaker 2: do you Okay? So you're on the phone with me,
Speaker 2: you know that there's, however, many whatever people watching, Like,
Speaker 2: how how do you feel right now? Because I mean,
Speaker 2: right now, you don't seem like this you described when
Speaker 2: you were talking to this Walmart person. You describe yourself
Speaker 2: as like a stumblely, sweaty mess. But I mean, I
Speaker 2: can't sue you, but you don't sound like you're that
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 4: I I've been in my room like fasting and such
Speaker 4: on my hand, but I don't know. I have the
Speaker 4: computer turned away for me. I'm not really thinking about that,
Speaker 4: and I kind of feel it nobody's really gonna know
Speaker 4: who I am anyways, you know?
Speaker 2: Is that is okay? So hold holder right there? Hold
Speaker 2: right there? Is that sort of one of the factors
Speaker 2: that might be fueling this, Like when you're in VR,
Speaker 2: nobody knows who you are. You're anonymous, so any whatever
Speaker 2: social you know, fuck ups that normally you would perceive
Speaker 2: as as worse than if they they don't know who
Speaker 2: you are? Is that is there an element of that
Speaker 2: in there?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I like just like having the feeling of security.
Speaker 4: I'm being able to just like play the game and
Speaker 4: then just take it off and then it's like everything
Speaker 4: stays in there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Do you make any sort of attempts to like how
Speaker 2: often do you put yourself in social situations in real life.
Speaker 4: Like outside of working and just existing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, outside of like working and.
Speaker 4: Not very often. I'd say I don't go out very much.
Speaker 4: But when I do go out, just like to the store,
Speaker 4: I just put my headphones in kind of speed walk
Speaker 4: through places. You know, I don't really make any attempts
Speaker 4: to speak to people unless I really have to.
Speaker 2: You're like a You're like a social superman. You go
Speaker 2: to Walmart and your clerk can't stumbling over your words. Right.
Speaker 2: Then you go home, you put on the headset and
Speaker 2: you're social superman. You're shucking in JIV and you're making
Speaker 2: the jokes. You're walking up right over to people and
Speaker 2: you're talking to them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess to put it.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting. I'm trying to think, you know, and again,
Speaker 2: man like that this is the reason I asked you
Speaker 2: because I feel like this all comes down to your desires, right.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's nothing there's nothing wrong with staying
Speaker 2: in your comfort zone unless if you desire and I
Speaker 2: think I think I hear it in you. I think
Speaker 2: I hear it in you that you that you desire
Speaker 2: to improve socially outside of the realms in which you're comfortable.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of how you would do that
Speaker 2: because you're like, I mean VR, it's like it's like
Speaker 2: training wheels in a sense where like you have the
Speaker 2: social skills that you're developing in VR, and when you're
Speaker 2: at work, like they are. Okay, I'm thinking this alongside
Speaker 2: of you here. But that justification factor that I talked
Speaker 2: about of, like how do I put this, the VR element,
Speaker 2: the anonymous element, the justified I'm at work element, They're
Speaker 2: all like launching you into this space. They're like propelling you.
Speaker 2: You're giving you, they're giving you momentum. But once you
Speaker 2: have that momentum, you're on your own and all the
Speaker 2: social interactions that you have are completely driven by you.
Speaker 2: They were just sort of started propelled by VR, by
Speaker 2: your job, but you're the one who keeps spinning the
Speaker 2: wheels once they get the little push. Does that feel accurate?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say so. I feel like in those situations,
Speaker 4: I have, like I don't I don't know how to decide,
Speaker 4: but I have, like i'd say, a reason to talk
Speaker 4: to people. But when you're just going to Walmart, you
Speaker 4: don't really have a reason to talk to the guy
Speaker 4: walking past you. So it's like why you even bother him,
Speaker 4: you know?
Speaker 2: H m hm. So I think I think we just
Speaker 2: got you. Gotta we gotta How can how can you
Speaker 2: like you need like the push, the jump starts, whatever
Speaker 2: it is that will sort of get you. This is
Speaker 2: what I always talk about the middle of a conversation
Speaker 2: is you know, anyone can do it. It's super easy.
Speaker 2: Everyone's great at the middle of the conversation. It's the
Speaker 2: beginning that is the tough part. But once you are there,
Speaker 2: you're shocking and jiving. So I feel like you have
Speaker 2: you have these training wheels of the VR and of
Speaker 2: you know, being at work that are pushing you into
Speaker 2: the middle. But then once that's that's removed, you have
Speaker 2: to sort of rely on yourself two and you know,
Speaker 2: your own confidence, which you know you kind of got
Speaker 2: to take the work to build to propel you into
Speaker 2: that middle part. Yeah, I mean, you know, what, what
Speaker 2: do you what do you think about all this?
Speaker 4: I feel like you're right, but I don't. I feel
Speaker 4: like it's less of a confidence issue and more of
Speaker 4: a just finding a way to start conversation because I know,
Speaker 4: I mean, even at work, I'll have anxiety gonna talk
Speaker 4: to someone, But as soon as you get into the conversations,
Speaker 4: it's easy, right, And I feel like starting a conversation
Speaker 4: at work is easier than it's just real life.
Speaker 2: Hey, what's your avatar in VR? What? What's your avatar?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like when people look at you, what are you?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: It's just a dude.
Speaker 4: He looks like me. He's got a like flannel rest on.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, it's all just people.
Speaker 2: Okay. I was about to say, I, I mean that's
Speaker 2: pretty That's why that's pretty good, because I was about
Speaker 2: to say, maybe you would feel more comfortable being out
Speaker 2: in the world if you were like a cow with
Speaker 2: big boobs or whatever the thing is. But you're already
Speaker 2: yourself in VR, so that removes a whole other step
Speaker 2: that was gonna have to be an issue for you.
Speaker 2: But but Melvin Matn, I, I like, I guess, I
Speaker 2: guess this will be the last thing I'll say. But
Speaker 2: like the jump is hard of like as we're talking about,
Speaker 2: like motivating you to get to the middle, but like
Speaker 2: just know that that middle is there. You You've you've
Speaker 2: got the foundational conversation skills that you have developed in
Speaker 2: these more comfortable zones, Like you have them and they're
Speaker 2: applicable in all situations, even though you've cultivated them in
Speaker 2: these very specific ones. So so you're just you're just
Speaker 2: missing You're just missing one little puzzle piece. I don't
Speaker 2: know what that puzzle piece is, but I feel like
Speaker 2: you're closer to the sociability level that you desire to be.
Speaker 2: Then maybe you think, yeah, hey, is there anything else
Speaker 2: you want to say to the piece.
Speaker 4: I think it's just I think, what do you think?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I think I just have to not really think about
Speaker 4: it and just to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's the thing. That's that's one.
Speaker 2: One other thing is socializing. It's a very It's weird
Speaker 2: because socializing, when you're doing it right, is not a
Speaker 2: thinky thing at all. It's if you're socializing correctly. You're
Speaker 2: not strategized. I think this is my theory about it.
Speaker 2: But you're not strategized, and you're not thinking about what
Speaker 2: you're gonna say next. You're not thinking about how the
Speaker 2: other person feels. You're just very in the moment, very
Speaker 2: being reacting viscerally and speaking viscerally. So you'll get there.
Speaker 2: You'll get there.
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Anything else I wanna say before we go in Melbourne?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I love your stream. I listened through well I'm at work.
Speaker 4: I've listened to it for about a month and I'm
Speaker 4: just I'm happy I'll get to talk to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, yoh, thank you for calling Melvin have a
Speaker 2: guest of the night. You do, I gotta try this.
Speaker 2: R Hello Nico, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 5: I am doing well? How about you?
Speaker 2: I am a gecko on the computer. I wonder how
Speaker 2: much longer I can say that before it gets old?
Speaker 2: I wonder how much longer I can say I wonder
Speaker 2: how much longer I can say I wonder how much
Speaker 2: longer until it gets old? Until that gets old? See,
Speaker 2: this is my spinnar. It's going to get a little
Speaker 2: bit more metaw, don't be nervous, don't apologize. It's it'll
Speaker 2: all It'll all be over soon. What's going on with
Speaker 2: you Nico Haw's life?
Speaker 5: It's actually been better than ever for me right now.
Speaker 5: Not related to my story.
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 5: Like how that kid earlier was talking about confession. I
Speaker 5: guess I have a kind of guilt confession that I didn't.
Speaker 5: I don't want anyone to be like, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 5: it's okay whatever. I just kind of wanted to say
Speaker 5: it out loud through a phone screen to anyone that's.
Speaker 2: Listening and still not yeah, sure, what's going on?
Speaker 5: So I'm I'm twenty one now. This happened when I
Speaker 5: was sixteen, and I'm totally fine now, and I'm recovered.
Speaker 5: I mean not to say that I had anything to
Speaker 5: really recover from, but so I did not have a
Speaker 5: lot of friends in high school, and I met this
Speaker 5: kid through video games and we became really close, and
Speaker 5: a few days intil my junior year, he drowned. He
Speaker 5: went on vacation and he drowned, and he was one
Speaker 5: of my best friends. And I had always felt really
Speaker 5: guilty about it because I was the captain of my
Speaker 5: swim team for a long time. I mean I he
Speaker 5: had jokingly asked me a few times to teach him
Speaker 5: how to swim, and he got pulled out into a
Speaker 5: rip tide. So it's not like I would have been
Speaker 5: able to teach him something like with freestyle or something
Speaker 5: like that. But still that just made me kind of
Speaker 5: feel shitty about it. But anyways, so the real confession
Speaker 5: that I have is that, uh, probably like six months
Speaker 5: after that, there was you know, watch Cut, like that
Speaker 5: YouTube channel that I don't know if they do, like
Speaker 5: confessions and all that whatever, whatever, what is it?
Speaker 2: Watch Cut.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just like, I don't know, little we asked
Speaker 5: one hundred people x y Z videos. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 5: I watched those two. So it was a channel that
Speaker 5: was kind of like that, and they were they posted
Speaker 5: something that was like we're taking uh uh darkest secrets
Speaker 5: or whatever like that, and so I was like I
Speaker 5: had recently, right before that, I had lost like our
Speaker 5: entire group of mutual friends. So that was I was
Speaker 5: pretty alone in my grief besides like therapists and my
Speaker 5: parents and everything. But so I submitted, uh whatever, I
Speaker 5: what I just said about not to take him, how
Speaker 5: to swim m yeah, And I went and checked the
Speaker 5: YouTube channel and when they uploaded it, and they featured
Speaker 5: my confession for the first like the opener cold open
Speaker 5: to hit him with the shaker, and I remember being
Speaker 5: so excited, like, dude, I'm famous right now, like look
Speaker 5: at this, and it's like it and it was what
Speaker 5: I really looked forward to was going to the comment
Speaker 5: section and seeing all like the condolences and like just
Speaker 5: people feeling bad and everything, because it was just something
Speaker 5: that I felt like I did. But looking back on it,
Speaker 5: it's totally like, sorry, I'm saying like a lot, I'm
Speaker 5: pretty nervous.
Speaker 2: But no, it's it's totally Uh.
Speaker 5: I was totally using his death for attention, which is
Speaker 5: just so disgusting, and I feel awful about that. And uh,
Speaker 5: this is I mean, usually I listen to your podcast
Speaker 5: when I'm driving, and that's like the same times that
Speaker 5: I'll kind of talk to whatever I'm pretending, like what
Speaker 5: kind of being whatever, ghosts whatever, talk to him when
Speaker 5: I drive. So I kind of felt like it would
Speaker 5: be easy to talk to you about it because he
Speaker 5: says it both kind of like car conversationalists. I guess.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay, so so you felt like you were using
Speaker 2: your friend's death for Internet points.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was anonymous, and I mean it
Speaker 5: wasn't really about the views or anything, because I don't really.
Speaker 4: Care about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, so so hold on, so so, so how long ago,
Speaker 2: just to like set the scene, how long ago after
Speaker 2: his death was this?
Speaker 5: It was probably like, uh, five six months?
Speaker 2: It just I mean, so this was this, so this this, this,
Speaker 2: this happened like five years ago. Oh yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so at the time, because I feel like, how old
Speaker 2: are you know, I'm twenty one, you're twenty one, Okay,
Speaker 2: so you were sixteen years old at the time, and
Speaker 2: sixteen year olds do yeah things for a myriad of reasons,
Speaker 2: and you know, as we get older, we kind of
Speaker 2: think back. We have a little bit more perspective on
Speaker 2: why we maybe did the things we did when we
Speaker 2: were you know, teenagers. You know, have you thought about
Speaker 2: why you did that?
Speaker 5: Well, like I said before, like the all of the
Speaker 5: mutual films that I had made with him, those were
Speaker 5: like the only some of the only friends I had,
Speaker 5: and I lost them. At the same time, I didn't
Speaker 5: have anybody to really go off of and talk to.
Speaker 5: So it was nice feeling like anonymous people over the
Speaker 5: internet about whatever. I mean, Yeah, it's very selfish. It
Speaker 5: was just using a tragedy. He was seventeen, he'll never
Speaker 5: get older. I mean, it's so it's just ridiculous now
Speaker 5: to look back and be like, oh, well that's awesome.
Speaker 5: But I put that out there just so that I
Speaker 5: could feel some sort of fake sense of consolation for
Speaker 5: a minute, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So, I mean this was five years ago. So this
Speaker 2: sort of guilt that you have not ever teaching him
Speaker 2: to swim, but over submitting his story to this YouTube channel,
Speaker 2: is that a guilt that you still feel today?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, definitely. I mean when I think about him
Speaker 5: and then I kind of I question our or my
Speaker 5: grieving a lot of the times because I think about
Speaker 5: how when he died, all of the other friends kind
Speaker 5: of left, and I think about, like would he be
Speaker 5: with them if he was still alive, Like would he
Speaker 5: have made a group chat about me with them? Whatever?
Speaker 5: Like all that all this shit, But I don't so
Speaker 5: I don't know. So I don't know, like is it
Speaker 5: ridiculous if I'm getting or if I'm grieving this much
Speaker 5: over a kid that might have been talking shit about
Speaker 5: me over PlayStation like everybody else did, and he just
Speaker 5: died before I had the chance to trying to see that.
Speaker 5: I guess, M.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of layers
Speaker 2: to this. I mean, I think that one you were
Speaker 2: sixteen and when you're in fucking high school. I I
Speaker 2: I if I were to look back at any of
Speaker 2: the things that I did, said thought at at the
Speaker 2: age of sixteen, I don't think I would be particularly
Speaker 2: proud of of of a very large amount of them.
Speaker 2: So I think that you know, you feeling guilty about
Speaker 2: something that you did when you were sixteen, Like it
Speaker 2: makes sense, right, you got to give yourself a little
Speaker 2: bit of room to have these things as you are
Speaker 2: growing up and developing your own emotional intelligence and whatnot.
Speaker 2: You got to give the You're gotta give yourself room
Speaker 2: to make these little mistakes. I mean, look, you currently
Speaker 2: right now understand it seems why you were acting the
Speaker 2: way you did at that time, and it's not something
Speaker 2: that you would do now, even though we are on
Speaker 2: a live podcast.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of double crossing myself right now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but we can for you. Who cares about
Speaker 2: that plot hole? Anyway? What the fuck was I gonna say? Well,
Speaker 2: tell me about your life now, okay, because it sounds
Speaker 2: like you were like pretty, I mean, like whatever, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm milking my friend's death for internet points. I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean, fuck it, like we both like you were lonely.
Speaker 2: You're very lonely. You're processing this this this death alone.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you had no friends and you were uh
Speaker 2: looking for for for for fucking something. I mean, why
Speaker 2: does it? Why does anybody post anything online they're looking
Speaker 2: for attention? My friends, You are not alone in posting
Speaker 2: about you know what, if it's your friend's death, if
Speaker 2: it's you want a soccer tournament, if it's you eating lunch,
Speaker 2: it's all anything anyone does on the Internet is all
Speaker 2: inherently for attention. Everyone in the twitch chat right now
Speaker 2: is looking for attention. I'm looking for attention. It's all.
Speaker 2: It's all attention. So you know, keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: But what's your life like now? Do you do you
Speaker 2: have do you have friends? Have you sort of found
Speaker 2: a better community for yourself?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, once I once I graduated high school and got
Speaker 5: the fuck out of there. I made friends in college.
Speaker 5: I mean I had to leave for COVID, and then
Speaker 5: I left and went to a different school. But I
Speaker 5: have an amazing boyfriend now and he takes me on
Speaker 5: trips and I am on I mean, right after he passed,
Speaker 5: like probably a year after that, I doubled all of
Speaker 5: my meds. So I'm pretty medically happy. But I think
Speaker 5: a lot of the people in my life now have
Speaker 5: vastly improve my Oh look, I'm super grateful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sound like you're in a much better place
Speaker 2: now than you were then. And I hope you're not
Speaker 2: beating yourself up too hard. I don't think anyone should
Speaker 2: beat themselves up too hard about anything that they did
Speaker 2: when they were they were a teenager or I mean,
Speaker 2: fuck man, if you're forgetting even about the teenager aspect
Speaker 2: of it. It's like, you know, I'm I would like
Speaker 2: to believe in most situations that people change. In fact,
Speaker 2: you know what, fuck, I'm not going to phrase it
Speaker 2: like that. People change, people develop. You know, if you're
Speaker 2: looking back at your past and you're not embarrassed or
Speaker 2: horrified or ashamed, are you even growing? You know? So
Speaker 2: you need the humility and you're gaining the humility. It's
Speaker 2: not like you're looking back at that and you're like proud,
Speaker 2: proud of it. You know, you're you're you're growing. So
Speaker 2: I hope you're not beating yourself up too badly about it.
Speaker 5: Thank you. I'm so happy that I got the call through.
Speaker 5: I can't wait to tell my friend that I put
Speaker 5: her onto your podcast too, and now she listens to
Speaker 5: it all the time.
Speaker 2: So beautiful, rather sorry, I'm so used to for my saltations.
Speaker 1: I will I will.
Speaker 2: Hope you enjoy thumbing through the comments on this call.
Speaker 5: Oh why are they awful?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I have no idea what they are.
Speaker 5: Oh perfect, Okay, wish me good luck, beautiful.
Speaker 2: Have a good night, Nico.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Bye, Devanta, Yes, what's up? Devanta. How's it going, by
Speaker 2: the way, Davantage's Uh. It says here that your name
Speaker 2: is Devanta.
Speaker 3: It's Davante.
Speaker 2: Well, it says here that it's Davanta.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I talked to Tim and I said it
Speaker 3: was Davante, but could have been a mixed up.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, it says here that the computer is telling
Speaker 2: me your name is Davanta and and no offense. But
Speaker 2: I've been using the computer for way long than I've
Speaker 2: known you, so I'm inclined to trust the computer.
Speaker 3: I mean, do you want me do you want me
Speaker 3: to ask how it's spelled, or do you want to
Speaker 3: ask the computer?
Speaker 2: The computer is telling me that it's spelled d E
Speaker 2: v O n t A Davanta. That's what the computer.
Speaker 2: We can go with. That we can, okay, that's why
Speaker 2: I was going to go with anyway, that's what the
Speaker 2: computer says.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2: DeVante says you're having some girl problems. It says you
Speaker 2: went on a date with a girl last week. You
Speaker 2: think it went well, but she hasn't texted you back
Speaker 2: since the date. Is this is this correct? Uh? Not necessarily, Devanta.
Speaker 2: This is what the computer says, you're telling me that
Speaker 2: the computer is wrong. You can tell me that the
Speaker 2: computer is wrong once and maybe I'll believe you, But
Speaker 2: you cannot tell me the computer is wrong twice.
Speaker 3: I mean, it has been wrong once beginning with. But
Speaker 3: then again, I have talked to a girl after the
Speaker 3: date that we've went on and it went really well.
Speaker 3: She said the night in my house, so I can't
Speaker 3: necessarily say that, you know, I didn't talk to her
Speaker 3: after the date, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's like, so, what's the situation, Devanta? Okay, So the.
Speaker 3: Situation is, I guess, is my self esteem supposedly, Like
Speaker 3: that's what I'm guessing. I guess is because like the
Speaker 3: date went really well. You know, I don't like both
Speaker 3: said it. You know, we met the headlighting artist for
Speaker 3: the night because we both go to raves a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, was at a leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was at a at a bar you know,
Speaker 3: well yeah, a.
Speaker 2: Bar, bar rave music thing room with people dancing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: drink a lot of got it, got it, got it okay.
Speaker 3: But yeah, anyways, it went well great, But I guess
Speaker 3: she hasn't been texting me back to the extent that
Speaker 3: I thought she would since it went really well.
Speaker 2: Okay, what when you say she hasn't been texting you
Speaker 2: back to the extent you thought she would. What what
Speaker 2: is the extent you thought she would?
Speaker 3: You know, at least at least a couple of times
Speaker 3: a day. It's been twenty four hours and she's SEXTI
Speaker 3: me back last. But again, I might just be overthinking it,
Speaker 3: m which I do I am prone to doing.
Speaker 2: You are are you? I mean, what do you? What
Speaker 2: are you thinking? Are you thinking that this lack of
Speaker 2: communication is indicative of a of a lack of interest?
Speaker 3: Possibly? Yeah?
Speaker 2: H I I feel like I tell the same old
Speaker 2: story with all like sort of calls like this around
Speaker 2: dating things, and I'm always trying to reassess my position
Speaker 2: on these things. But I'm gonna I'm gonna throw this
Speaker 2: to you. I want to want your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. It sounds like, and I don't I
Speaker 2: don't know because I don't know this girl whatever, But
Speaker 2: it sounds like this girl is invested in you. You
Speaker 2: guys have a nice time, but there's an uneven level
Speaker 2: of investment here. You're you're you're a little more invested
Speaker 2: than she is, which is not horror. That's at the
Speaker 2: end of the world. It's not doesn't mean you're whatever
Speaker 2: a simp. There's an uneven levels.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was in a pretty serious relationship a
Speaker 3: year prior and it's been it's been a year since
Speaker 3: I've talked to anybody with even the thought of interest
Speaker 3: of going into another relationship.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm hmmm. Anytime there's an uneven level of investment
Speaker 2: between two people, it just gets fucked up. It just
Speaker 2: it never works out. I think, no, no, no, no, But
Speaker 2: don't freak out, don't freak out. This is a good thing.
Speaker 2: Let me finish. You will what's your name, Devanta says,
Speaker 2: your name is Devanta, Devanta. You will if you continue
Speaker 2: putting yourself out there, find a nice lady with an
Speaker 2: equal amount of investment in you as you have in her.
Speaker 3: That that that is very good advice, honestly, because that's
Speaker 3: all I want.
Speaker 2: You know, So you can you can continue down this path.
Speaker 2: But listen, if you really like this girl that you
Speaker 2: went on the data and you think it's going well,
Speaker 2: and you want to get to a point where you
Speaker 2: two have an equal amount of investment in each other,
Speaker 2: because she doesn't, she doesn't not like you. I mean
Speaker 2: she just but she just doesn't get a text you
Speaker 2: every you know twice, you know whatever, she has her
Speaker 2: own life going on. I want to get down to
Speaker 2: with you. I want to get down to you. Why
Speaker 2: do you have such a high investment in this person?
Speaker 2: What do you feel like is driving you to be
Speaker 2: anxious about how often she's texting you? Like, let's get
Speaker 2: down to the brass text because there's there's there's there's
Speaker 2: a deeper answer to that question. Then she's pretty and
Speaker 2: I enjoy talking to her. You know, this is this
Speaker 2: is what's what's what's going because that's all that's on
Speaker 2: her side. What's going on on your side? That's causing
Speaker 2: this deeper level of investments?
Speaker 3: So I guess, I guess it would be me trying
Speaker 3: to find like a career I want to go into,
Speaker 3: you know, or like maybe having a little bit better income,
Speaker 3: I guess, or or just more personal things in my
Speaker 3: life is right now, I just work door dash and
Speaker 3: I work my own schedule, you know, I make make
Speaker 3: buy So I guess I got a lot of time
Speaker 3: in my hands more so than she does, because she
Speaker 3: does work a lot more so than me.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 3: So that does you know? At up mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's that's that's sort of kind of everything
Speaker 2: you just said is kind of what I was getting at,
Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, this girl has got a
Speaker 2: as a full time gig. You know, she's got busy life.
Speaker 2: You know she I don't think you know, she might
Speaker 2: not not like you, but she's just you know, she
Speaker 2: has a busy life. She's got lots and lots of
Speaker 2: different pillars aside from just her dating life that are
Speaker 2: occupying her time, keeping her afloat. And I find I
Speaker 2: found this in my personal life. I find this in
Speaker 2: people I'm talking to on this on this here computer
Speaker 2: Gecko show that if you don't have a lot of
Speaker 2: different pillars going on in your life, then when someone
Speaker 2: comes along, you tend to look at them and go, ah,
Speaker 2: this is this is gonna gonna make me happy? Is
Speaker 2: this person? Right? You know? And that caused you to
Speaker 2: be more invested then she is, and that fucks just
Speaker 2: funck shut up, you know.
Speaker 3: Right, No, I ton'tally understand that.
Speaker 2: It's so the so the long term sustainable solution is
Speaker 2: not to fucking use only this certain type of emoji
Speaker 2: when you're texting her, or to wait this amount of
Speaker 2: time or any stupid minute, fucking thing that people are
Speaker 2: always talking about when they're talking about whatever dating strategy.
Speaker 2: It's all bullshit. The actual, long term, sustainable way forward
Speaker 2: is to build up a nice, diversified life portfolio so
Speaker 2: that you are not putting on an air that you're
Speaker 2: not desperate, but you are actually internally in your sole
Speaker 2: not desperate. Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I know what you're saying. Geck, I know what you're saying. Man,
Speaker 3: I that that resonated hell up.
Speaker 2: Good, good, says he. You're twenty one years old, Ok,
Speaker 2: it's beautiful. You know you got you got plenty of
Speaker 2: time to build that nice life. You're twenty two, perfect, perfect,
Speaker 2: you got plenty of time to build this nice diversified
Speaker 2: life portfolio. But I just I just want you to
Speaker 2: know what I'm telling you this from personal experience, you
Speaker 2: will not. The only sustainable solution is to actually build
Speaker 2: a life, and then other people in your sort of
Speaker 2: the dating world of your life will gravitate toward you
Speaker 2: by chasing. Even if you end up finding you know
Speaker 2: does not well, it is not a sustainable solution for
Speaker 2: for anyone, right, And this advice is not gendered by
Speaker 2: the way this is. This is anything. This is men, women,
Speaker 2: whatever we are. This is not a you know, this
Speaker 2: is a just overall thing.
Speaker 3: But that is that is very overall.
Speaker 2: It also says here that you're a DJ and that
Speaker 2: you go by the name Slamming D. Yeah, you feel
Speaker 2: like this name has given people the wrong idea of
Speaker 2: who you are? Now? Is the computer wrong a third time?
Speaker 2: Or are we onto something here?
Speaker 3: No, No, that that one's on to something. That's a
Speaker 3: whole pillar in my life as we were talking about here,
Speaker 3: that's a big passion of mine.
Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful, Okay, so we're not starting this is good.
Speaker 2: We're not starting from scratch here. We got something, we
Speaker 2: got a thing, we got a passion, we got a hobby,
Speaker 2: we got something outside of U whatever to focus on.
Speaker 2: This is perfect. This is beautiful slamming D. Okay. It
Speaker 2: says here that you that you feel like, yeah, well okay,
Speaker 2: it says here that you feel like the name has
Speaker 2: given people a wrong idea of who you are. What
Speaker 2: idea do you think it gives people of who you are?
Speaker 3: All right, Well, whenever people think of slam and D,
Speaker 3: you know, today's day and age, I have always thought
Speaker 3: people just you know, go right to dick slamming dick, Yeah,
Speaker 3: slam and d yeah. Yeah. People right, they go right
Speaker 3: to it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Okay, And is that not what slam and D means?
Speaker 2: What is your intention? Different from people's interpretation?
Speaker 3: Wait? Way different? It goes way back into my childhood interpretation.
Speaker 2: Actually, okay, what what is what is the what is
Speaker 2: the appropriate interpretation of slam and D?
Speaker 3: So so my my stepdad, way way back when I
Speaker 3: was like ten years old or something, you know, I'd
Speaker 3: be playing little little league baseball or some you know,
Speaker 3: Bannicker basketball or something, you know, just small leagues whenever
Speaker 3: you're a kid, you know, and every time we win
Speaker 3: a game or something, or I make a basket, do
Speaker 3: let's go swam and d you know, you know my
Speaker 3: name is Davante, right vant As the computer says.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you. This is already this
Speaker 2: is already way too long of a disclaimer. People aren't
Speaker 2: gonna people people people are people aren't. It's not gonna
Speaker 2: register with people immediately. You're gonna you're gonna have enough
Speaker 2: time to explain, you know, right.
Speaker 3: That's what I was worried about you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: a whole story behind it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh change change your name of me. Like look,
Speaker 2: I have the same thing. People think that I'm like
Speaker 2: a therapist because I'm therapy, get go, and I can't
Speaker 2: change now it's too late. I'm therapy, got go forever now.
Speaker 2: But I I don't. I don't have enough time to
Speaker 2: give the spiel. No, I'm not a therapist. I'm just
Speaker 2: a guy. I'm a Gecko guy and talk to people
Speaker 2: on the punt there. They're already tuned out, they already
Speaker 2: have their idea. So I'm telling you right now again
Speaker 2: from experience I needed to learn from me on this
Speaker 2: phone call. Here, you pick a rebrand something some people
Speaker 2: get immediately, where the intention and the reception are are
Speaker 2: a little bit more on the same line, right.
Speaker 3: No, I totally agree with that. That's what I was
Speaker 3: thinking I should do the whole time.
Speaker 2: But I was Devanta, Devanta, Devanta, anything else you want
Speaker 2: to say to the people before.
Speaker 3: We go, You guys, have a good night, beautiful.
Speaker 2: Thank you Devanta.
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you, Geko, you have a good night.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: I can't believe that guy thinks he knows more than
Speaker 2: the computer. That's his first problem. That's the number one
Speaker 2: thing I recommend he work on, is being humble. Technology
Speaker 2: is king. Look around, people, we are not living in
Speaker 2: a society ruled by the government, not by kings, queens,
Speaker 2: not even by gods. We are living in a society
Speaker 2: ruled by the computer. And only a fool would think
Speaker 2: themselves to no less than that which rules the universe.
Speaker 4: Goes on the line.
Speaker 2: Taking your phone calls, every line teaching your life is
Speaker 2: not experts