WEBVTT - "I'M A PHONE SEX OPERATOR" 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.280 I'm a phone sex operator, and basically people just like 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:08.280 pay per minute to like talk on the phone basically 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:13.600 about whatever they want. And sometimes it's like old people 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.200 who don't know how to use computers, so they just 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.119 call the like they'll see like a Raccy commercial or 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:20.600 something even like call the number. 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:23.720 Yeah, I was about to say when I watched like 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.400 South Park or something like that, like there's always the 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:31.200 commercial for the phone sex thing. But every time I 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.840 see that, I'm like, I feel like anyone who Luna, 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.640 Hello Luna. It says here that you are a phone 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.599 sex operator, and you think it would be cool to 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:48.080 see what I think about that profession? Well, who cares 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.600 what I thought? How did you get into this profession? 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:58.200 Well? Well, okay, so I've been a sex worker for 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:04.840 like two years now, and I want to say, like 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:12.000 business wasn't really booming for me. So I watched some 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:18.080 videos with some like veteran sex workers and we're like, oh, 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:19.880 you got to you got to get into phone sex. 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:21.720 You got to get into phone sex. And I was like, well, 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:28.200 I do have this like kind of like soft breathy voice, 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.560 so it would be interesting. And so I went on. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.640 You go online basically and you just kind of like 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.280 sign up and terify your ID and blah blah blah, 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:44.119 fill out a W two and then people pay you 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.040 to talk on the phone with them. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:51.840 Interesting, So is this is this like, uh, what kind 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:53.560 of sex work were you doing before? Was it like 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.320 only fans? Was there were you at the strip club? 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.000 What was the what was the nature of the game? 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.920 I wish I wish I could do. I wish I 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.520 could were at a strip club. I was doing only fans, 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.639 and I was also selling like content outside of the 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:12.680 platform as well. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.560 So the phone sex thing, do you not do that 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.880 through only fans? Is that like a different service or something. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.200 No, it's it's a completely different service. Actually, it's like 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.200 it's more of a kind of like an archaic form 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:38.839 of sex work, like an archaic form of online sex work, 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.000 if you will. It's like it came before, like only 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:46.720 fans and stuff, and basically people just like pay per 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:51.120 minute to like talk on the phone basically about whatever 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:56.600 they want. And sometimes it's like old people who don't 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.959 know how to use computers, so they just call the 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.959 like they'll see like a racy commercial or something even 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:02.880 like call the number. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.000 Yeah, I was about to say, when I watched like 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.640 South Park or something like that, Like there's always the 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.480 commercial for the phone sex thing. But every time I 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.120 see that, I'm like, I feel like anyone who like 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.400 wants to do something like that, they have whatever, the 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.600 only fans chat rooms and all that stuff. I feel like, 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.000 who's calling the phone number they see on TV? But 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.240 I guess I guess that's that's a demographics. Older people 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.040 who don't know how to use the computer. 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.800 Yeah, you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised at how like 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.560 how many people that you know how to work a 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.640 phone will that don't know how to work a computer 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.200 will call the lines. I get people, and you know, 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.080 when our college finished, I'm like, well, like do you 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.880 have an email? Can I like email you something racy 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.880 or whatever? And they'll be like, I don't have an email? 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.920 Like how do you not have an email? 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:01.440 What do they do? They get you your their physical 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.360 address to like mail them a letter or something like that. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:06.120 Oh my god. 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:06.640 No. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.760 Actually, sometimes customers are like here, this is my number, 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.800 and they'll like stay out loud, They're like text me. 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.680 I'm like, I'm not going to text you. I can't 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.479 call you. Like like people will try to give me 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.400 their personal information over the phone, and I'm like, they're 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.599 typically older too, and I'm like, why are you giving 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:29.280 some random girl that you've called on a number you 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.920 saw on a television your home address or like your 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:34.039 personal phone number. 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.960 I no, I wish they seem to trust you. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.320 It surprisingly people, So does. 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:49.400 Does anyone ask you for anything unconventional? Or is it? 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.359 Like you know, I feel like with phone sex, how 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.760 you have to be really creative, Like you have to 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.400 be way more creative with phone sex than with actual sex, 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.800 because you got to be like a p oh oh 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:06.359 it dude. Like with real sex, you just you put 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:12.080 you know, everything is very physical, it's it's it's there, 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:16.680 it's show, don't tell. But you know, phone sex it's 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.839 all in the description and the imagination requires far more 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.600 creativity than actual sex. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.479 Yes, and it has Actually as a sex worker, it 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:33.680 has furthered my skill because now I sure I can 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.039 get the job done without even showing you know, any 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:42.880 and even my face. Yeah, when I when I'm on 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.919 the phone, sometimes I have the souris open for like 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:50.800 younger customers because well, I don't want to put this 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.560 into like a stereotype, but This is just from my experience. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:59.200 Older customers, if you say anything that's like slang for like, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.760 if you say like it, Dad gets the job done, 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:07.960 it's satisfied. But for younger customers, typically in their thirties 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:12.160 maybe forties, you have to be really really really descriptive 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:18.040 and like really raunchy with them because they're just like 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:19.520 so desensitized. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.640 So you when you say when you say, you can 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.800 just say tits and it gets the job done for 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.920 an older person, Like what do you write? Do you 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.560 just say? Like I mean what I what do you? 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.320 What do you even say to these people? Like how 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.560 does it? I can't even think of, like how you 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:39.240 would start? 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:45.160 I mean I want to keep everything as PG as 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:49.160 possible because I would hate to like shadow band you 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:53.520 or anything. But I have this one customer. 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:59.039 We can cuss, right, you can say whatever you wants. 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.360 Okay, I just yeah, okay. I have this small customer 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.840 and he's obviously like in hiss, like seventies eighties, like 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:12.000 probably bedraded, like he he just sounds old. I can 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:19.160 tell and basically our entire well, okay, I guess I'll 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.720 tell you how Like I typically start off, I'm like, hello, 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.920 this is Luna, and they'll typically tell me like, you know, 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.120 hey saw your photo blah blah blah, or you know, 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:34.840 heard your greeting, and I'll just kind of nonchalantly say, well, like, 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:36.840 what do you want to do tonight? What are you into? 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.600 If it's a new customer, but if it's a regular 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.720 I kind of know what they already want. We already 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:48.080 get into it, and then based on like their reactions 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.480 to things and what they say to me, I can 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.200 kind of fine tune it and like give them the 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:59.320 experience that they fully want. But typically in the beginning, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.080 it's like, hey, how are you how are you doing? 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.320 I'm doing great, and then we just kind of get 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.040 into it, or if they have trouble, like some people 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:11.480 are a little shy, I'll just kind of slowly ease 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:17.160 into it and then they get you know, they get 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:18.440 really into it in the end. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:23.800 So tell me, I'm curious, are you you know? I 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.960 guess I guess not even just phone sex, but sex 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:34.400 work in general. Do you enjoy the profession itself or 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.880 do are you just sort of doing it as a 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.880 way to make money and you have sort of something 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:47.240 else that you intend to pursue In addition to that. 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:56.319 Mm hmm, well for now, I guess uh, okay, Well, 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:00.720 originally I did start sex work for just because I 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:07.760 needed funds, but then I actually really started to enjoy it, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:12.040 and once I got into phone sex, I learned that 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:16.120 I actually really really love phone sex. It's kind of okay, 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:18.840 don't take that the wrong way, but it's kind of 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.880 like what you do, you know, I kind of I sit. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.920 On the phone. There's a amount of similarities here, I 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:26.040 will admit. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:31.840 That, yeah, And you know, it's just it's kind of 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:33.959 the same thing. I get to talk to all different 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:40.400 kinds of people, and sometimes it is It's just sometimes 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.520 it's people who are actually just lonely and just want 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.000 to talk or like talk like vent about their day. 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:47.400 Right. 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.080 Do you have a lot of people who are just 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.720 talking about like their day and it doesn't even get sexual. 0:09:55.200 --> 0:10:00.000 Yeah, And honestly, it kind of feels weird because I'm 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.120 I'm so used to being like creative on the spot 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:08.360 and saying like really really gnarly words, and they just 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.480 want to talk about like what they bought at the 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:15.760 grocery store, and I'm like, I like have to forciately 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:17.680 tone myself down for those people. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.640 So you're enjoying getting to so I saw, yeah, I guess. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.280 I mean there is a lot of similarities between what 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:25.600 we do. We get to talk to a lot of 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:32.360 different people. It sounds about a lot of different miscellaneous things. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:34.679 Do phone sex, I do phone gets? 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:36.319 Uh? 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.520 Do you so? 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:38.600 So? 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.240 Okay, So now since starting phone sex uh for work, 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:47.360 do you find in your personal sex life to be 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.360 doing a lot more phone stuff? 0:10:54.040 --> 0:11:01.679 Actually no, I don't actually part It's okay, it's it's 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:06.000 not really personally phone sex isn't something that like carries 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:12.480 me on. I prefer you know, physical like in real 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.800 life sex. I will say that it does make the 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.520 dirty talk in the bedroom a lot more racy and 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:22.720 creative just because of the you know, the vernacular that 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.360 I picked up from being on the lines with people. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.520 So it's made me successful in the bedroom, and it 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:33.760 has also made me successful in like like sexting people 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:38.280 or like on dates when I'm like flirting. Yeah, it 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.200 makes me successful with flirting in real life. But I 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:46.120 don't I don't have like actual phone sex with people 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:47.480 in my in my real life. 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:49.640 Well, you know the reason why I asked you the 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.439 question of like, you know, I know, you said you 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.280 started it for money, but is it, like, you know, 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:54.920 is it just for money? Are you enjoying it? 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:55.200 Is that? 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.319 Because okay, it sounds like you're very good at it. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.839 And I feel like people, no matter what the thing is, 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:06.520 get enjoyment from doing things that they are good at 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.840 and competent that because it gives you confidence to know 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.640 that you're good at something. Yeah, like, there's there's a 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.000 lot to there's a lot of what you know, pride 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.840 and happiness to be gained there with you know that itself. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.160 Oh yeah, definitely mm hmm. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.040 Do you have anything else that you that you aspire 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:31.079 aspire to do? 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.439 M hm oh yeah, I mean I do have bigger dreams. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:41.280 I am a pretty I'm a pretty decent artist, and 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.920 I like to sew and stuff. So I've been thinking 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:50.679 about maybe going to fashion school or going to art 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:59.720 school as well. But typically, I mean not typically financially wise. 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.320 I think I already have like a decent job that 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.320 I really really like. So maybe on the side, for 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.960 like shits and giggles, I might sell my art eventually. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.240 Do you have any advice to people out there who 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.319 might be listening who, because I've I've been in this 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.400 situation before, where like I've you know, been whatever with 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.600 someone a dirty texting thing, and I don't know what, 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:30.280 I don't know what the hell to say. I don't 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.240 there's only like, there's only like really five things you 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.920 can do, and I'm not very creative. What do you 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.440 have for people like that? People who are listening? How 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:46.199 can we be more creative in our phone and texting 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:47.760 sex lives? 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:57.240 Well, let's see, definitely go on with this surus. Wait, 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:58.400 actually you use. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.800 A the sor you're on there on the phone sex 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:06.960 line with a thesaurus in front of you. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:11.840 Actually, I recently discovered this better website. It's called I 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.080 think it's called word Hippo. That's a better sours. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.040 You're on word hippo while you're doing the phone sex. 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.680 Yes, because sometimes sometimes it's like, oh, I don't want 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.360 to say that word over and over and over again, 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.320 so you want to say something new and right. 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.680 That's you can only say tits like twice before the 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.160 whole magic is gone. You can't how many times can 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.640 you say tests? Or how many words are there for cock? 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.920 You starting shoulders and elbows and stuff. You're getting twisted, 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:40.800 I know. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:46.280 But the biggest thing is adjectives. Adjectives. Sorry, I don't 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.400 know why I put a G in there. Adjectives are 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:56.120 probably the most important thing when it comes to phone 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:59.200 sex and texting. You want to be very, very descriptive 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:04.200 with you know your body parts and how you want 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:08.000 them to move. Of course, like for me, I'm a 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.960 I'm a curvacious lady, so I use a lot of 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:18.920 adjectives to describe the way my curvaceousness feels and maybe 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:22.600 the way it might make my customer feel, maybe the 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.760 way it moves. So definitely go on word hippo, look 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:34.320 up some adjectives for what you feel your body type 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.400 might be like, or what you feel you know, how 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:39.480 you want something to. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:46.080 Move in to a thosaurus to find words for how 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.800 your body might feel like. That's actually pretty good actionable 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:49.400 advice on that. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:58.360 Yes, And also instead of saying when when I when 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.600 I sext people or when people try to sex me 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.000 in real life, they tend to say like, oh, I 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.320 want to do this or I want to do that, 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.440 you should say I'm gonna do this, or you should 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:15.560 say yeah, you should, you should you should put. 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:21.040 More confident speech. You know what I would even say 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.320 that's you could apply that outside of sex talk. It's 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:30.480 just a general motivational thing. I'm gonna wake up at 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:34.840 six am and go climb that mountain. I'm gonna, you know, 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.240 come on your boobe, whatever the thing is. 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:43.400 Yes, I cannot imagine what it would be like waking 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.960 up at six am and climbing the mountain. Jesus crazy. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.800 Luna. Do you have any final thoughts before we go? 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.520 I do not, actually, well, okay, my final thought is 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:01.880 I'm glad I was able to talk to you about 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:08.080 my profession because I don't actually tell anyone that i'm 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.040 besides like my my, my people who are close to me. 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.679 So I'm glad I was able to fully talk to 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.919 someone on the phone about it. 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.640 Beautiful. Thank you very much for sharing with us, Luna. 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.040 And oh yes, bless. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:27.920 You having the rest of the night. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.000 Oh wow, you too. 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:37.200 Wonder if she's going to send us an invoice for that? Melvin, Hi, Melvin. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.520 It says here you just got an oculus and you 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:46.040 feel like you're more capable of conversing with people in 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:50.960 virtual reality than you are in real life. This is 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.959 a very interesting topic. I would love to hear more 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:55.959 about your experience. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:17:59.120 Yeah, So. 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:04.440 I had my quest to for about a week now, 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:11.959 and I have anxiety when I talk to people. It 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.960 used to be really bad, but it's gotten better. But 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:20.400 I feel like when I'm playing games in virtual reality, 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.199 I can just it's easy to just walk up to 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:30.080 someone and be like, Hey, what's going on. So I've 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.240 been I've been making some friends and it's pretty cool 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.119 talking to them. 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:39.000 So what is the like landscape of this, Like, are 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:44.480 you just dropped into some sort of like virtual meeting 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.760 town and you have to like go up to someone 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:49.800 in game in order for them to be able to 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.119 hear you. Like, how does this logistically work? 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.760 I guess that depends on the game that you're playing. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.399 I've been playing a game called rec Room, which is 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.480 just it's you can talk to people, and it's also 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.040 got community community made worlds and stuff that you can 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.400 go visit, but then mini games like it's got tcharades 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:18.800 and dodgeball. But the way it works is when you 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.280 walk near somebody, you can just start talking and they 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.640 can hear you. You can like to put your hand 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:28.280 over your mouth and you stop talking. But there's a 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.640 lot of little kids that play the game and it's 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.639 kind of annoying sometimes because you'll like walk in and 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.399 it's just a bunch of twelve year old screaming at 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:41.919 each other and squeakers. But it's not. It's not all 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.959 just kids. Like I met this mom. She was I 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.640 think around kunded like she was around forties. She kept 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.520 on talking to your kids, she was she was interesting 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:52.040 to talk to. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.640 Interesting. You met this mom in what was the game? 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.960 Oh, wreck room? We were playing charade? 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.919 Interesting? And so, uh do you is this a person 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.360 that you keep in contact with at all? Like these 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:13.639 people that you meet in VR, are they one off 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:20.800 sort of social interactions or are you building significant relationships 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.640 with any of the people that you're meeting online. 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:29.760 I'd say some of them are one off, like the moms. 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:34.359 She was nice, but she was I don't know. I 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:35.840 wouldn't really want to stay friends with her, but it 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.440 was okay. I met this one other the other dude. 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:42.680 His name is Penguin, and we've played for three days now, 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.800 and i'll again and what do all daily challenges together? 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.119 Play paintball with laser jag and then no, I may 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:54.760 we just go and say sharade. But yeah, he's pretty cool. 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.840 Mm hmmm hm. So you're twenty years old, it says 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:06.399 here and get Have you always been anxious talking to people? 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.840 I feel like when I was a kid, I wasn't, 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:20.880 and then around middle school up, I've kind of had 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:27.080 some anxiety talking to new people. It's interesting. I work 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:31.320 at a grocery store, and we When I like have 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.479 the mask on and I'm at work, I kind of 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:38.200 feel like I can just talk to people about like 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:41.280 I'll stop customers and like interact with them. But as 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.520 soon as soon as I'm not at work and I'm 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:47.080 just myself, I like lose all my social skills. I 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.040 was at Walmart one time and I had to ask 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.520 ay a questions and just I was I started sweating. 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.639 I was watching my forehead, stumbling over my words, like 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.200 if you followed me, and I was like, I need 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:00.240 you to repeat what you said. I couldn't under saying 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:00.879 what you're saying. 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:07.320 Dude, so interesting you you gave up and you had 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:07.680 to leave. 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:10.960 Yeah, I can't it. Just I was like, it's ay, 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:12.000 and I just walked away from here. 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:14.920 It's so interesting to hear you say that. I feel 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:18.000 like there's a big fact I want to call it, 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:25.879 like the justification factor of social interactions, where like, you know, 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.000 if you're at a party and you go up to 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.760 talk to someone, it's like, why are you talking to me? Like, 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.080 you know, you're you're thinking about You're thinking about all 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.440 the reasons in the other person's head about why they 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.680 will like find what you're doing weird. But when you're 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:43.359 somehow like justified in your existence, in your position on 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.679 the earth at that very moment, like why are you 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:48.040 talking to me? Well, because I'm bringing you up, you know, 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:53.760 it's like this is a established familiar relationship. I almost 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:59.320 feel that way similarly with this Gecko thing, where I'm 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:05.320 a lot more able to have social interactions weirdly, you know, 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.280 on this podcast and whenever I'm doing geck with things 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:11.720 than I am in real life. So there's there's you know, 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:17.080 it's a legitimate, legitimate thing. I'm curious for you. Do 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:22.240 you desire Okay, so you have this sort of social 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:26.000 anxiety around real life, but when you're on the job 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:30.040 or when you're in VR, you're chilling, you're shucking, you're driving, 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:38.199 your your smooth moves, do you desire to take what 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:43.439 you're learning in these areas in which you're more comfortable 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:47.240 and bring it out into the real world or are 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:51.879 you sort of chilling in your comfort zone? Where where? 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:55.480 Where does your desire lie? 0:23:55.720 --> 0:24:00.960 I feel like I I've been working on that a 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.000 little bit. I could do a little bit harder, but 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:05.720 I'd love. I'd love to be the way that I 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:12.560 am at work and in VR just everywhere, because I 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:15.320 love talking to people. I love just starting a conversations 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:17.480 about rand things or telling them a joke and then 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:21.760 continuing on from there. But it's just hard to do 0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:25.080 that in real life talking to strangers, you know, m 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:29.600 h m hm. But I guess not really you, but 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:31.440 you don't feel like a stranger. 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:35.520 Well, I guess this is a verse. This is a 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.560 version of like, I mean, how do you feel? How 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:40.119 do you Okay? So you're on the phone with me, 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.520 you know that there's, however, many whatever people watching, Like, 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.359 how how do you feel right now? Because I mean, 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:47.680 right now, you don't seem like this you described when 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.080 you were talking to this Walmart person. You describe yourself 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:53.080 as like a stumblely, sweaty mess. But I mean, I 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:55.320 can't sue you, but you don't sound like you're that 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:55.880 right now. 0:24:59.880 --> 0:25:03.320 I I've been in my room like fasting and such 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:06.840 on my hand, but I don't know. I have the 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.760 computer turned away for me. I'm not really thinking about that, 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:14.960 and I kind of feel it nobody's really gonna know 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:16.520 who I am anyways, you know? 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.920 Is that is okay? So hold holder right there? Hold 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:26.160 right there? Is that sort of one of the factors 0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:29.440 that might be fueling this, Like when you're in VR, 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:33.000