1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm a phone sex operator, and basically people just like 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: pay per minute to like talk on the phone basically 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: about whatever they want. And sometimes it's like old people 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: who don't know how to use computers, so they just 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: call the like they'll see like a Raccy commercial or 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: something even like call the number. 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say when I watched like 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: South Park or something like that, like there's always the 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: commercial for the phone sex thing. But every time I 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: see that, I'm like, I feel like anyone who Luna, 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: Hello Luna. It says here that you are a phone 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 2: sex operator, and you think it would be cool to 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: see what I think about that profession? Well, who cares 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: what I thought? How did you get into this profession? 15 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: Well? Well, okay, so I've been a sex worker for 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: like two years now, and I want to say, like 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: business wasn't really booming for me. So I watched some 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: videos with some like veteran sex workers and we're like, oh, 19 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: you got to you got to get into phone sex. 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: You got to get into phone sex. And I was like, well, 21 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: I do have this like kind of like soft breathy voice, 22 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: so it would be interesting. And so I went on. 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: You go online basically and you just kind of like 24 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: sign up and terify your ID and blah blah blah, 25 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: fill out a W two and then people pay you 26 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: to talk on the phone with them. 27 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: Interesting, So is this is this like, uh, what kind 28 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: of sex work were you doing before? Was it like 29 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: only fans? Was there were you at the strip club? 30 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: What was the what was the nature of the game? 31 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: I wish I wish I could do. I wish I 32 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: could were at a strip club. I was doing only fans, 33 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: and I was also selling like content outside of the 34 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: platform as well. 35 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: So the phone sex thing, do you not do that 36 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: through only fans? Is that like a different service or something. 37 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: No, it's it's a completely different service. Actually, it's like 38 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: it's more of a kind of like an archaic form 39 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 1: of sex work, like an archaic form of online sex work, 40 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: if you will. It's like it came before, like only 41 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: fans and stuff, and basically people just like pay per 42 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: minute to like talk on the phone basically about whatever 43 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: they want. And sometimes it's like old people who don't 44 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: know how to use computers, so they just call the 45 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: like they'll see like a racy commercial or something even 46 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: like call the number. 47 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say, when I watched like 48 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: South Park or something like that, Like there's always the 49 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: commercial for the phone sex thing. But every time I 50 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: see that, I'm like, I feel like anyone who like 51 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: wants to do something like that, they have whatever, the 52 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: only fans chat rooms and all that stuff. I feel like, 53 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: who's calling the phone number they see on TV? But 54 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: I guess I guess that's that's a demographics. Older people 55 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: who don't know how to use the computer. 56 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised at how like 57 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: how many people that you know how to work a 58 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: phone will that don't know how to work a computer 59 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: will call the lines. I get people, and you know, 60 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: when our college finished, I'm like, well, like do you 61 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: have an email? Can I like email you something racy 62 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: or whatever? And they'll be like, I don't have an email? 63 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: Like how do you not have an email? 64 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: What do they do? They get you your their physical 65 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: address to like mail them a letter or something like that. 66 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 67 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: No. 68 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: Actually, sometimes customers are like here, this is my number, 69 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: and they'll like stay out loud, They're like text me. 70 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not going to text you. I can't 71 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: call you. Like like people will try to give me 72 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: their personal information over the phone, and I'm like, they're 73 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: typically older too, and I'm like, why are you giving 74 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: some random girl that you've called on a number you 75 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: saw on a television your home address or like your 76 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: personal phone number. 77 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: I no, I wish they seem to trust you. 78 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: It surprisingly people, So does. 79 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: Does anyone ask you for anything unconventional? Or is it? 80 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 2: Like you know, I feel like with phone sex, how 81 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: you have to be really creative, Like you have to 82 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: be way more creative with phone sex than with actual sex, 83 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: because you got to be like a p oh oh 84 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 2: it dude. Like with real sex, you just you put 85 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: you know, everything is very physical, it's it's it's there, 86 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: it's show, don't tell. But you know, phone sex it's 87 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: all in the description and the imagination requires far more 88 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: creativity than actual sex. 89 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: Yes, and it has Actually as a sex worker, it 90 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: has furthered my skill because now I sure I can 91 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: get the job done without even showing you know, any 92 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: and even my face. Yeah, when I when I'm on 93 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: the phone, sometimes I have the souris open for like 94 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: younger customers because well, I don't want to put this 95 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: into like a stereotype, but This is just from my experience. 96 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: Older customers, if you say anything that's like slang for like, 97 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: if you say like it, Dad gets the job done, 98 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: it's satisfied. But for younger customers, typically in their thirties 99 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: maybe forties, you have to be really really really descriptive 100 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: and like really raunchy with them because they're just like 101 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: so desensitized. 102 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: So you when you say when you say, you can 103 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: just say tits and it gets the job done for 104 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: an older person, Like what do you write? Do you 105 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: just say? Like I mean what I what do you? 106 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: What do you even say to these people? Like how 107 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: does it? I can't even think of, like how you 108 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: would start? 109 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: I mean I want to keep everything as PG as 110 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: possible because I would hate to like shadow band you 111 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: or anything. But I have this one customer. 112 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: We can cuss, right, you can say whatever you wants. 113 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: Okay, I just yeah, okay. I have this small customer 114 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: and he's obviously like in hiss, like seventies eighties, like 115 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: probably bedraded, like he he just sounds old. I can 116 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: tell and basically our entire well, okay, I guess I'll 117 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: tell you how Like I typically start off, I'm like, hello, 118 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: this is Luna, and they'll typically tell me like, you know, 119 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: hey saw your photo blah blah blah, or you know, 120 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: heard your greeting, and I'll just kind of nonchalantly say, well, like, 121 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: what do you want to do tonight? What are you into? 122 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: If it's a new customer, but if it's a regular 123 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: I kind of know what they already want. We already 124 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: get into it, and then based on like their reactions 125 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: to things and what they say to me, I can 126 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: kind of fine tune it and like give them the 127 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: experience that they fully want. But typically in the beginning, 128 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, how are you how are you doing? 129 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: I'm doing great, and then we just kind of get 130 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: into it, or if they have trouble, like some people 131 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: are a little shy, I'll just kind of slowly ease 132 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: into it and then they get you know, they get 133 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: really into it in the end. 134 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: So tell me, I'm curious, are you you know? I 135 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: guess I guess not even just phone sex, but sex 136 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: work in general. Do you enjoy the profession itself or 137 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: do are you just sort of doing it as a 138 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: way to make money and you have sort of something 139 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: else that you intend to pursue In addition to that. 140 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, well for now, I guess uh, okay, Well, 141 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: originally I did start sex work for just because I 142 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: needed funds, but then I actually really started to enjoy it, 143 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: and once I got into phone sex, I learned that 144 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: I actually really really love phone sex. It's kind of okay, 145 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: don't take that the wrong way, but it's kind of 146 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: like what you do, you know, I kind of I sit. 147 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: On the phone. There's a amount of similarities here, I 148 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: will admit. 149 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: That, yeah, And you know, it's just it's kind of 150 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: the same thing. I get to talk to all different 151 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: kinds of people, and sometimes it is It's just sometimes 152 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: it's people who are actually just lonely and just want 153 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: to talk or like talk like vent about their day. 154 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: Right. 155 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 2: Do you have a lot of people who are just 156 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: talking about like their day and it doesn't even get sexual. 157 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, it kind of feels weird because I'm 158 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm so used to being like creative on the spot 159 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: and saying like really really gnarly words, and they just 160 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: want to talk about like what they bought at the 161 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: grocery store, and I'm like, I like have to forciately 162 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: tone myself down for those people. 163 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: So you're enjoying getting to so I saw, yeah, I guess. 164 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: I mean there is a lot of similarities between what 165 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: we do. We get to talk to a lot of 166 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: different people. It sounds about a lot of different miscellaneous things. 167 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 2: Do phone sex, I do phone gets? 168 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 4: Uh? 169 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: Do you so? 170 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 5: So? 171 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So now since starting phone sex uh for work, 172 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: do you find in your personal sex life to be 173 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: doing a lot more phone stuff? 174 00:10:54,040 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: Actually no, I don't actually part It's okay, it's it's 175 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: not really personally phone sex isn't something that like carries 176 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: me on. I prefer you know, physical like in real 177 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: life sex. I will say that it does make the 178 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: dirty talk in the bedroom a lot more racy and 179 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: creative just because of the you know, the vernacular that 180 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: I picked up from being on the lines with people. 181 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: So it's made me successful in the bedroom, and it 182 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: has also made me successful in like like sexting people 183 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: or like on dates when I'm like flirting. Yeah, it 184 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: makes me successful with flirting in real life. But I 185 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: don't I don't have like actual phone sex with people 186 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: in my in my real life. 187 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: Well, you know the reason why I asked you the 188 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 2: question of like, you know, I know, you said you 189 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: started it for money, but is it, like, you know, 190 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: is it just for money? Are you enjoying it? 191 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 3: Is that? 192 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 2: Because okay, it sounds like you're very good at it. 193 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 2: And I feel like people, no matter what the thing is, 194 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: get enjoyment from doing things that they are good at 195 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: and competent that because it gives you confidence to know 196 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: that you're good at something. Yeah, like, there's there's a 197 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: lot to there's a lot of what you know, pride 198 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: and happiness to be gained there with you know that itself. 199 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely mm hmm. 200 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: Do you have anything else that you that you aspire 201 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 2: aspire to do? 202 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: M hm oh yeah, I mean I do have bigger dreams. 203 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: I am a pretty I'm a pretty decent artist, and 204 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: I like to sew and stuff. So I've been thinking 205 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: about maybe going to fashion school or going to art 206 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: school as well. But typically, I mean not typically financially wise. 207 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: I think I already have like a decent job that 208 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: I really really like. So maybe on the side, for 209 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: like shits and giggles, I might sell my art eventually. 210 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: Do you have any advice to people out there who 211 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 2: might be listening who, because I've I've been in this 212 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: situation before, where like I've you know, been whatever with 213 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: someone a dirty texting thing, and I don't know what, 214 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell to say. I don't 215 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: there's only like, there's only like really five things you 216 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: can do, and I'm not very creative. What do you 217 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: have for people like that? People who are listening? How 218 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 2: can we be more creative in our phone and texting 219 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: sex lives? 220 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: Well, let's see, definitely go on with this surus. Wait, 221 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: actually you use. 222 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: A the sor you're on there on the phone sex 223 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: line with a thesaurus in front of you. 224 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: Actually, I recently discovered this better website. It's called I 225 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: think it's called word Hippo. That's a better sours. 226 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: You're on word hippo while you're doing the phone sex. 227 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: Yes, because sometimes sometimes it's like, oh, I don't want 228 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: to say that word over and over and over again, 229 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: so you want to say something new and right. 230 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: That's you can only say tits like twice before the 231 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: whole magic is gone. You can't how many times can 232 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: you say tests? Or how many words are there for cock? 233 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: You starting shoulders and elbows and stuff. You're getting twisted, 234 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: I know. 235 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: But the biggest thing is adjectives. Adjectives. Sorry, I don't 236 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: know why I put a G in there. Adjectives are 237 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: probably the most important thing when it comes to phone 238 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: sex and texting. You want to be very, very descriptive 239 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: with you know your body parts and how you want 240 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: them to move. Of course, like for me, I'm a 241 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm a curvacious lady, so I use a lot of 242 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: adjectives to describe the way my curvaceousness feels and maybe 243 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: the way it might make my customer feel, maybe the 244 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: way it moves. So definitely go on word hippo, look 245 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: up some adjectives for what you feel your body type 246 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: might be like, or what you feel you know, how 247 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: you want something to. 248 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: Move in to a thosaurus to find words for how 249 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: your body might feel like. That's actually pretty good actionable 250 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: advice on that. 251 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: Yes, And also instead of saying when when I when 252 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: I sext people or when people try to sex me 253 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: in real life, they tend to say like, oh, I 254 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: want to do this or I want to do that, 255 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: you should say I'm gonna do this, or you should 256 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: say yeah, you should, you should you should put. 257 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: More confident speech. You know what I would even say 258 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: that's you could apply that outside of sex talk. It's 259 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: just a general motivational thing. I'm gonna wake up at 260 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: six am and go climb that mountain. I'm gonna, you know, 261 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: come on your boobe, whatever the thing is. 262 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: Yes, I cannot imagine what it would be like waking 263 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: up at six am and climbing the mountain. Jesus crazy. 264 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: Luna. Do you have any final thoughts before we go? 265 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: I do not, actually, well, okay, my final thought is 266 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad I was able to talk to you about 267 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: my profession because I don't actually tell anyone that i'm 268 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: besides like my my, my people who are close to me. 269 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: So I'm glad I was able to fully talk to 270 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: someone on the phone about it. 271 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 2: Beautiful. Thank you very much for sharing with us, Luna. 272 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: And oh yes, bless. 273 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: You having the rest of the night. 274 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 5: Oh wow, you too. 275 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: Wonder if she's going to send us an invoice for that? Melvin, Hi, Melvin. 276 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: It says here you just got an oculus and you 277 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: feel like you're more capable of conversing with people in 278 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: virtual reality than you are in real life. This is 279 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 2: a very interesting topic. I would love to hear more 280 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 2: about your experience. 281 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, So. 282 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 4: I had my quest to for about a week now, 283 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 4: and I have anxiety when I talk to people. It 284 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 4: used to be really bad, but it's gotten better. But 285 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 4: I feel like when I'm playing games in virtual reality, 286 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 4: I can just it's easy to just walk up to 287 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 4: someone and be like, Hey, what's going on. So I've 288 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 4: been I've been making some friends and it's pretty cool 289 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 4: talking to them. 290 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: So what is the like landscape of this, Like, are 291 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: you just dropped into some sort of like virtual meeting 292 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: town and you have to like go up to someone 293 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: in game in order for them to be able to 294 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 2: hear you. Like, how does this logistically work? 295 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 4: I guess that depends on the game that you're playing. 296 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 4: I've been playing a game called rec Room, which is 297 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 4: just it's you can talk to people, and it's also 298 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 4: got community community made worlds and stuff that you can 299 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 4: go visit, but then mini games like it's got tcharades 300 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 4: and dodgeball. But the way it works is when you 301 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 4: walk near somebody, you can just start talking and they 302 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 4: can hear you. You can like to put your hand 303 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 4: over your mouth and you stop talking. But there's a 304 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 4: lot of little kids that play the game and it's 305 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 4: kind of annoying sometimes because you'll like walk in and 306 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 4: it's just a bunch of twelve year old screaming at 307 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 4: each other and squeakers. But it's not. It's not all 308 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 4: just kids. Like I met this mom. She was I 309 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 4: think around kunded like she was around forties. She kept 310 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 4: on talking to your kids, she was she was interesting 311 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: to talk to. 312 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: Interesting. You met this mom in what was the game? 313 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 4: Oh, wreck room? We were playing charade? 314 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 2: Interesting? And so, uh do you is this a person 315 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 2: that you keep in contact with at all? Like these 316 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: people that you meet in VR, are they one off 317 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: sort of social interactions or are you building significant relationships 318 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: with any of the people that you're meeting online. 319 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 4: I'd say some of them are one off, like the moms. 320 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 4: She was nice, but she was I don't know. I 321 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 4: wouldn't really want to stay friends with her, but it 322 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 4: was okay. I met this one other the other dude. 323 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 4: His name is Penguin, and we've played for three days now, 324 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 4: and i'll again and what do all daily challenges together? 325 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 4: Play paintball with laser jag and then no, I may 326 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 4: we just go and say sharade. But yeah, he's pretty cool. 327 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hm. So you're twenty years old, it says 328 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 2: here and get Have you always been anxious talking to people? 329 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 4: I feel like when I was a kid, I wasn't, 330 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 4: and then around middle school up, I've kind of had 331 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 4: some anxiety talking to new people. It's interesting. I work 332 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 4: at a grocery store, and we When I like have 333 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 4: the mask on and I'm at work, I kind of 334 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 4: feel like I can just talk to people about like 335 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 4: I'll stop customers and like interact with them. But as 336 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 4: soon as soon as I'm not at work and I'm 337 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 4: just myself, I like lose all my social skills. I 338 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 4: was at Walmart one time and I had to ask 339 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 4: ay a questions and just I was I started sweating. 340 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 4: I was watching my forehead, stumbling over my words, like 341 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 4: if you followed me, and I was like, I need 342 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 4: you to repeat what you said. I couldn't under saying 343 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 4: what you're saying. 344 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: Dude, so interesting you you gave up and you had 345 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 2: to leave. 346 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't it. Just I was like, it's ay, 347 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 4: and I just walked away from here. 348 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 2: It's so interesting to hear you say that. I feel 349 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: like there's a big fact I want to call it, 350 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: like the justification factor of social interactions, where like, you know, 351 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: if you're at a party and you go up to 352 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: talk to someone, it's like, why are you talking to me? Like, 353 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: you know, you're you're thinking about You're thinking about all 354 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: the reasons in the other person's head about why they 355 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 2: will like find what you're doing weird. But when you're 356 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: somehow like justified in your existence, in your position on 357 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: the earth at that very moment, like why are you 358 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: talking to me? Well, because I'm bringing you up, you know, 359 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: it's like this is a established familiar relationship. I almost 360 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: feel that way similarly with this Gecko thing, where I'm 361 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: a lot more able to have social interactions weirdly, you know, 362 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: on this podcast and whenever I'm doing geck with things 363 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: than I am in real life. So there's there's you know, 364 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: it's a legitimate, legitimate thing. I'm curious for you. Do 365 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: you desire Okay, so you have this sort of social 366 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: anxiety around real life, but when you're on the job 367 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: or when you're in VR, you're chilling, you're shucking, you're driving, 368 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 2: your your smooth moves, do you desire to take what 369 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 2: you're learning in these areas in which you're more comfortable 370 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: and bring it out into the real world or are 371 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: you sort of chilling in your comfort zone? Where where? 372 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 2: Where does your desire lie? 373 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 4: I feel like I I've been working on that a 374 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 4: little bit. I could do a little bit harder, but 375 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 4: I'd love. I'd love to be the way that I 376 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 4: am at work and in VR just everywhere, because I 377 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 4: love talking to people. I love just starting a conversations 378 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 4: about rand things or telling them a joke and then 379 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 4: continuing on from there. But it's just hard to do 380 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 4: that in real life talking to strangers, you know, m 381 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 4: h m hm. But I guess not really you, but 382 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 4: you don't feel like a stranger. 383 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: Well, I guess this is a verse. This is a 384 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: version of like, I mean, how do you feel? How 385 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 2: do you Okay? So you're on the phone with me, 386 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: you know that there's, however, many whatever people watching, Like, 387 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: how how do you feel right now? Because I mean, 388 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 2: right now, you don't seem like this you described when 389 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: you were talking to this Walmart person. You describe yourself 390 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: as like a stumblely, sweaty mess. But I mean, I 391 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: can't sue you, but you don't sound like you're that 392 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 2: right now. 393 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 4: I I've been in my room like fasting and such 394 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 4: on my hand, but I don't know. I have the 395 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 4: computer turned away for me. I'm not really thinking about that, 396 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 4: and I kind of feel it nobody's really gonna know 397 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 4: who I am anyways, you know? 398 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: Is that is okay? So hold holder right there? Hold 399 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 2: right there? Is that sort of one of the factors 400 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: that might be fueling this, Like when you're in VR, 401 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: nobody knows who you are. You're anonymous, so any whatever 402 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: social you know, fuck ups that normally you would perceive 403 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: as as worse than if they they don't know who 404 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: you are? Is that is there an element of that 405 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 2: in there? 406 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? I like just like having the feeling of security. 407 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 4: I'm being able to just like play the game and 408 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 4: then just take it off and then it's like everything 409 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 4: stays in there. 410 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: You know. 411 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: Do you make any sort of attempts to like how 412 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: often do you put yourself in social situations in real life. 413 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 4: Like outside of working and just existing? 414 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:32,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, outside of like working and. 415 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 4: Not very often. I'd say I don't go out very much. 416 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 4: But when I do go out, just like to the store, 417 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 4: I just put my headphones in kind of speed walk 418 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 4: through places. You know, I don't really make any attempts 419 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 4: to speak to people unless I really have to. 420 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: You're like a You're like a social superman. You go 421 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: to Walmart and your clerk can't stumbling over your words. Right. 422 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 2: Then you go home, you put on the headset and 423 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: you're social superman. You're shucking in JIV and you're making 424 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: the jokes. You're walking up right over to people and 425 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: you're talking to them. 426 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess to put it. 427 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting. I'm trying to think, you know, and again, 428 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: man like that this is the reason I asked you 429 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: because I feel like this all comes down to your desires, right. 430 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 2: I feel like there's nothing there's nothing wrong with staying 431 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: in your comfort zone unless if you desire and I 432 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 2: think I think I hear it in you. I think 433 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: I hear it in you that you that you desire 434 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 2: to improve socially outside of the realms in which you're comfortable. 435 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of how you would do that 436 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: because you're like, I mean VR, it's like it's like 437 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 2: training wheels in a sense where like you have the 438 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: social skills that you're developing in VR, and when you're 439 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: at work, like they are. Okay, I'm thinking this alongside 440 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: of you here. But that justification factor that I talked 441 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: about of, like how do I put this, the VR element, 442 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 2: the anonymous element, the justified I'm at work element, They're 443 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: all like launching you into this space. They're like propelling you. 444 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: You're giving you, they're giving you momentum. But once you 445 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: have that momentum, you're on your own and all the 446 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: social interactions that you have are completely driven by you. 447 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: They were just sort of started propelled by VR, by 448 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: your job, but you're the one who keeps spinning the 449 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: wheels once they get the little push. Does that feel accurate? 450 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say so. I feel like in those situations, 451 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 4: I have, like I don't I don't know how to decide, 452 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 4: but I have, like i'd say, a reason to talk 453 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 4: to people. But when you're just going to Walmart, you 454 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 4: don't really have a reason to talk to the guy 455 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 4: walking past you. So it's like why you even bother him, 456 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 4: you know? 457 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: H m hm. So I think I think we just 458 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: got you. Gotta we gotta How can how can you 459 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 2: like you need like the push, the jump starts, whatever 460 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 2: it is that will sort of get you. This is 461 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: what I always talk about the middle of a conversation 462 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: is you know, anyone can do it. It's super easy. 463 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: Everyone's great at the middle of the conversation. It's the 464 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: beginning that is the tough part. But once you are there, 465 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: you're shocking and jiving. So I feel like you have 466 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: you have these training wheels of the VR and of 467 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 2: you know, being at work that are pushing you into 468 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: the middle. But then once that's that's removed, you have 469 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 2: to sort of rely on yourself two and you know, 470 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 2: your own confidence, which you know you kind of got 471 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: to take the work to build to propel you into 472 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: that middle part. Yeah, I mean, you know, what, what 473 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: do you what do you think about all this? 474 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 4: I feel like you're right, but I don't. I feel 475 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 4: like it's less of a confidence issue and more of 476 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 4: a just finding a way to start conversation because I know, 477 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 4: I mean, even at work, I'll have anxiety gonna talk 478 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 4: to someone, But as soon as you get into the conversations, 479 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 4: it's easy, right, And I feel like starting a conversation 480 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 4: at work is easier than it's just real life. 481 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: Hey, what's your avatar in VR? What? What's your avatar? 482 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: Like? 483 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like when people look at you, what are you? 484 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 5: Oh? 485 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: It's just a dude. 486 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 4: He looks like me. He's got a like flannel rest on. 487 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 4: Just yeah, it's all just people. 488 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 2: Okay. I was about to say, I, I mean that's 489 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: pretty That's why that's pretty good, because I was about 490 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: to say, maybe you would feel more comfortable being out 491 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: in the world if you were like a cow with 492 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: big boobs or whatever the thing is. But you're already 493 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 2: yourself in VR, so that removes a whole other step 494 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: that was gonna have to be an issue for you. 495 00:31:54,440 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: But but Melvin Matn, I, I like, I guess, I 496 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: guess this will be the last thing I'll say. But 497 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: like the jump is hard of like as we're talking about, 498 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 2: like motivating you to get to the middle, but like 499 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: just know that that middle is there. You You've you've 500 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: got the foundational conversation skills that you have developed in 501 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: these more comfortable zones, Like you have them and they're 502 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: applicable in all situations, even though you've cultivated them in 503 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: these very specific ones. So so you're just you're just 504 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: missing You're just missing one little puzzle piece. I don't 505 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: know what that puzzle piece is, but I feel like 506 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: you're closer to the sociability level that you desire to be. 507 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: Then maybe you think, yeah, hey, is there anything else 508 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: you want to say to the piece. 509 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 4: I think it's just I think, what do you think? 510 00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 5: Oh? 511 00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: No, go ahead. 512 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 4: I think I just have to not really think about 513 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 4: it and just to do it. 514 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's the thing. That's that's one. 515 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: One other thing is socializing. It's a very It's weird 516 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: because socializing, when you're doing it right, is not a 517 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: thinky thing at all. It's if you're socializing correctly. You're 518 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: not strategized. I think this is my theory about it. 519 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 2: But you're not strategized, and you're not thinking about what 520 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 2: you're gonna say next. You're not thinking about how the 521 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: other person feels. You're just very in the moment, very 522 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: being reacting viscerally and speaking viscerally. So you'll get there. 523 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 2: You'll get there. 524 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 4: Thank you? 525 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 2: Anything else I wanna say before we go in Melbourne? 526 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. 527 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 4: I love your stream. I listened through well I'm at work. 528 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 4: I've listened to it for about a month and I'm 529 00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 4: just I'm happy I'll get to talk to you. 530 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 2: Thank you, yoh, thank you for calling Melvin have a 531 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: guest of the night. You do, I gotta try this. 532 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: R Hello Nico, Hi, how are you? 533 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 5: I am doing well? How about you? 534 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 2: I am a gecko on the computer. I wonder how 535 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 2: much longer I can say that before it gets old? 536 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 2: I wonder how much longer I can say I wonder 537 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 2: how much longer I can say I wonder how much 538 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 2: longer until it gets old? Until that gets old? See, 539 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 2: this is my spinnar. It's going to get a little 540 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: bit more metaw, don't be nervous, don't apologize. It's it'll 541 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 2: all It'll all be over soon. What's going on with 542 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 2: you Nico Haw's life? 543 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 5: It's actually been better than ever for me right now. 544 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 5: Not related to my story. 545 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: I had. 546 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 5: Like how that kid earlier was talking about confession. I 547 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 5: guess I have a kind of guilt confession that I didn't. 548 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 5: I don't want anyone to be like, oh no, no, no, 549 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 5: it's okay whatever. I just kind of wanted to say 550 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 5: it out loud through a phone screen to anyone that's. 551 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: Listening and still not yeah, sure, what's going on? 552 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 5: So I'm I'm twenty one now. This happened when I 553 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 5: was sixteen, and I'm totally fine now, and I'm recovered. 554 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 5: I mean not to say that I had anything to 555 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 5: really recover from, but so I did not have a 556 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 5: lot of friends in high school, and I met this 557 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 5: kid through video games and we became really close, and 558 00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 5: a few days intil my junior year, he drowned. He 559 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 5: went on vacation and he drowned, and he was one 560 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 5: of my best friends. And I had always felt really 561 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 5: guilty about it because I was the captain of my 562 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 5: swim team for a long time. I mean I he 563 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 5: had jokingly asked me a few times to teach him 564 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 5: how to swim, and he got pulled out into a 565 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 5: rip tide. So it's not like I would have been 566 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 5: able to teach him something like with freestyle or something 567 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 5: like that. But still that just made me kind of 568 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 5: feel shitty about it. But anyways, so the real confession 569 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 5: that I have is that, uh, probably like six months 570 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 5: after that, there was you know, watch Cut, like that 571 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 5: YouTube channel that I don't know if they do, like 572 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 5: confessions and all that whatever, whatever, what is it? 573 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: Watch Cut. 574 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just like, I don't know, little we asked 575 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 5: one hundred people x y Z videos. Yeah, that's good. 576 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 5: I watched those two. So it was a channel that 577 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 5: was kind of like that, and they were they posted 578 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 5: something that was like we're taking uh uh darkest secrets 579 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 5: or whatever like that, and so I was like I 580 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 5: had recently, right before that, I had lost like our 581 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 5: entire group of mutual friends. So that was I was 582 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 5: pretty alone in my grief besides like therapists and my 583 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 5: parents and everything. But so I submitted, uh whatever, I 584 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 5: what I just said about not to take him, how 585 00:37:54,760 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 5: to swim m yeah, And I went and checked the 586 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 5: YouTube channel and when they uploaded it, and they featured 587 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 5: my confession for the first like the opener cold open 588 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,240 Speaker 5: to hit him with the shaker, and I remember being 589 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 5: so excited, like, dude, I'm famous right now, like look 590 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 5: at this, and it's like it and it was what 591 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 5: I really looked forward to was going to the comment 592 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 5: section and seeing all like the condolences and like just 593 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 5: people feeling bad and everything, because it was just something 594 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,919 Speaker 5: that I felt like I did. But looking back on it, 595 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 5: it's totally like, sorry, I'm saying like a lot, I'm 596 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 5: pretty nervous. 597 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: But no, it's it's totally Uh. 598 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 5: I was totally using his death for attention, which is 599 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 5: just so disgusting, and I feel awful about that. And uh, 600 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 5: this is I mean, usually I listen to your podcast 601 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 5: when I'm driving, and that's like the same times that 602 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 5: I'll kind of talk to whatever I'm pretending, like what 603 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 5: kind of being whatever, ghosts whatever, talk to him when 604 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 5: I drive. So I kind of felt like it would 605 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 5: be easy to talk to you about it because he 606 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 5: says it both kind of like car conversationalists. I guess. 607 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay, so so you felt like you were using 608 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 2: your friend's death for Internet points. 609 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was anonymous, and I mean it 610 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 5: wasn't really about the views or anything, because I don't really. 611 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 4: Care about that. 612 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 613 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 2: Well, so so hold on, so so, so how long ago, 614 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 2: just to like set the scene, how long ago after 615 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 2: his death was this? 616 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 5: It was probably like, uh, five six months? 617 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 2: It just I mean, so this was this, so this this, this, 618 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 2: this happened like five years ago. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, 619 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 2: so at the time, because I feel like, how old 620 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 2: are you know, I'm twenty one, you're twenty one, Okay, 621 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 2: so you were sixteen years old at the time, and 622 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 2: sixteen year olds do yeah things for a myriad of reasons, 623 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 2: and you know, as we get older, we kind of 624 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 2: think back. We have a little bit more perspective on 625 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 2: why we maybe did the things we did when we 626 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,720 Speaker 2: were you know, teenagers. You know, have you thought about 627 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 2: why you did that? 628 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 5: Well, like I said before, like the all of the 629 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 5: mutual films that I had made with him, those were 630 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 5: like the only some of the only friends I had, 631 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 5: and I lost them. At the same time, I didn't 632 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 5: have anybody to really go off of and talk to. 633 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 5: So it was nice feeling like anonymous people over the 634 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 5: internet about whatever. I mean, Yeah, it's very selfish. It 635 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 5: was just using a tragedy. He was seventeen, he'll never 636 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,399 Speaker 5: get older. I mean, it's so it's just ridiculous now 637 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 5: to look back and be like, oh, well that's awesome. 638 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 5: But I put that out there just so that I 639 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 5: could feel some sort of fake sense of consolation for 640 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 5: a minute, you know what I mean. 641 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 2: So, I mean this was five years ago. So this 642 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 2: sort of guilt that you have not ever teaching him 643 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 2: to swim, but over submitting his story to this YouTube channel, 644 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 2: is that a guilt that you still feel today? 645 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, definitely. I mean when I think about him 646 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 5: and then I kind of I question our or my 647 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 5: grieving a lot of the times because I think about 648 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 5: how when he died, all of the other friends kind 649 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 5: of left, and I think about, like would he be 650 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 5: with them if he was still alive, Like would he 651 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 5: have made a group chat about me with them? Whatever? 652 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 5: Like all that all this shit, But I don't so 653 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 5: I don't know. So I don't know, like is it 654 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 5: ridiculous if I'm getting or if I'm grieving this much 655 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 5: over a kid that might have been talking shit about 656 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 5: me over PlayStation like everybody else did, and he just 657 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 5: died before I had the chance to trying to see that. 658 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 5: I guess, M. 659 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of layers 660 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 2: to this. I mean, I think that one you were 661 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 2: sixteen and when you're in fucking high school. I I 662 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 2: I if I were to look back at any of 663 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 2: the things that I did, said thought at at the 664 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 2: age of sixteen, I don't think I would be particularly 665 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 2: proud of of of a very large amount of them. 666 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 2: So I think that you know, you feeling guilty about 667 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 2: something that you did when you were sixteen, Like it 668 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,479 Speaker 2: makes sense, right, you got to give yourself a little 669 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 2: bit of room to have these things as you are 670 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 2: growing up and developing your own emotional intelligence and whatnot. 671 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 2: You got to give the You're gotta give yourself room 672 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 2: to make these little mistakes. I mean, look, you currently 673 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 2: right now understand it seems why you were acting the 674 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,240 Speaker 2: way you did at that time, and it's not something 675 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 2: that you would do now, even though we are on 676 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 2: a live podcast. 677 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of double crossing myself right now. 678 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, but we can for you. Who cares about 679 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 2: that plot hole? Anyway? What the fuck was I gonna say? Well, 680 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,240 Speaker 2: tell me about your life now, okay, because it sounds 681 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 2: like you were like pretty, I mean, like whatever, I'm 682 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 2: I'm milking my friend's death for internet points. I mean, 683 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,280 Speaker 2: I mean, fuck it, like we both like you were lonely. 684 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,240 Speaker 2: You're very lonely. You're processing this this this death alone. 685 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 2: Sounds like you had no friends and you were uh 686 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 2: looking for for for for fucking something. I mean, why 687 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 2: does it? Why does anybody post anything online they're looking 688 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 2: for attention? My friends, You are not alone in posting 689 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 2: about you know what, if it's your friend's death, if 690 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 2: it's you want a soccer tournament, if it's you eating lunch, 691 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 2: it's all anything anyone does on the Internet is all 692 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 2: inherently for attention. Everyone in the twitch chat right now 693 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 2: is looking for attention. I'm looking for attention. It's all. 694 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:09,240 Speaker 2: It's all attention. So you know, keep that in mind. 695 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 2: But what's your life like now? Do you do you 696 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,280 Speaker 2: have do you have friends? Have you sort of found 697 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 2: a better community for yourself? 698 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: Oh? 699 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, once I once I graduated high school and got 700 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 5: the fuck out of there. I made friends in college. 701 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 5: I mean I had to leave for COVID, and then 702 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 5: I left and went to a different school. But I 703 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 5: have an amazing boyfriend now and he takes me on 704 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 5: trips and I am on I mean, right after he passed, 705 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 5: like probably a year after that, I doubled all of 706 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 5: my meds. So I'm pretty medically happy. But I think 707 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 5: a lot of the people in my life now have 708 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 5: vastly improve my Oh look, I'm super grateful. 709 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you sound like you're in a much better place 710 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 2: now than you were then. And I hope you're not 711 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 2: beating yourself up too hard. I don't think anyone should 712 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 2: beat themselves up too hard about anything that they did 713 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 2: when they were they were a teenager or I mean, 714 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 2: fuck man, if you're forgetting even about the teenager aspect 715 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 2: of it. It's like, you know, I'm I would like 716 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 2: to believe in most situations that people change. In fact, 717 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 2: you know what, fuck, I'm not going to phrase it 718 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 2: like that. People change, people develop. You know, if you're 719 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 2: looking back at your past and you're not embarrassed or 720 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 2: horrified or ashamed, are you even growing? You know? So 721 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 2: you need the humility and you're gaining the humility. It's 722 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 2: not like you're looking back at that and you're like proud, 723 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 2: proud of it. You know, you're you're you're growing. So 724 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 2: I hope you're not beating yourself up too badly about it. 725 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 5: Thank you. I'm so happy that I got the call through. 726 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,839 Speaker 5: I can't wait to tell my friend that I put 727 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 5: her onto your podcast too, and now she listens to 728 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 5: it all the time. 729 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 2: So beautiful, rather sorry, I'm so used to for my saltations. 730 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 1: I will I will. 731 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 2: Hope you enjoy thumbing through the comments on this call. 732 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 5: Oh why are they awful? 733 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 2: Oh no, I have no idea what they are. 734 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 5: Oh perfect, Okay, wish me good luck, beautiful. 735 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:45,959 Speaker 2: Have a good night, Nico. 736 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. 737 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 2: Bye, Devanta, Yes, what's up? Devanta. How's it going, by 738 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,719 Speaker 2: the way, Davantage's Uh. It says here that your name 739 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 2: is Devanta. 740 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 3: It's Davante. 741 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 2: Well, it says here that it's Davanta. 742 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 3: Oh well, I talked to Tim and I said it 743 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 3: was Davante, but could have been a mixed up. 744 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,359 Speaker 2: Well, listen, it says here that the computer is telling 745 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 2: me your name is Davanta and and no offense. But 746 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 2: I've been using the computer for way long than I've 747 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 2: known you, so I'm inclined to trust the computer. 748 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 3: I mean, do you want me do you want me 749 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,320 Speaker 3: to ask how it's spelled, or do you want to 750 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:37,320 Speaker 3: ask the computer? 751 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 2: The computer is telling me that it's spelled d E 752 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 2: v O n t A Davanta. That's what the computer. 753 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 2: We can go with. That we can, okay, that's why 754 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 2: I was going to go with anyway, that's what the 755 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,319 Speaker 2: computer says. 756 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's fine. 757 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 2: DeVante says you're having some girl problems. It says you 758 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 2: went on a date with a girl last week. You 759 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,319 Speaker 2: think it went well, but she hasn't texted you back 760 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:11,840 Speaker 2: since the date. Is this is this correct? Uh? Not necessarily, Devanta. 761 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 2: This is what the computer says, you're telling me that 762 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 2: the computer is wrong. You can tell me that the 763 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,759 Speaker 2: computer is wrong once and maybe I'll believe you, But 764 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 2: you cannot tell me the computer is wrong twice. 765 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 3: I mean, it has been wrong once beginning with. But 766 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 3: then again, I have talked to a girl after the 767 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 3: date that we've went on and it went really well. 768 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 3: She said the night in my house, so I can't 769 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 3: necessarily say that, you know, I didn't talk to her 770 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:40,799 Speaker 3: after the date, you know. 771 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 2: So it's like, so, what's the situation, Devanta? Okay, So the. 772 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:57,719 Speaker 3: Situation is, I guess, is my self esteem supposedly, Like 773 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 3: that's what I'm guessing. I guess is because like the 774 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,399 Speaker 3: date went really well. You know, I don't like both 775 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 3: said it. You know, we met the headlighting artist for 776 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,319 Speaker 3: the night because we both go to raves a lot. 777 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 2: You know, was at a leave. 778 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was at a at a bar you know, 779 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 3: well yeah, a. 780 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:22,360 Speaker 2: Bar, bar rave music thing room with people dancing. Yeah, yeah, 781 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,960 Speaker 2: drink a lot of got it, got it, got it okay. 782 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, anyways, it went well great, But I guess 783 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,239 Speaker 3: she hasn't been texting me back to the extent that 784 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 3: I thought she would since it went really well. 785 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,120 Speaker 2: Okay, what when you say she hasn't been texting you 786 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 2: back to the extent you thought she would. What what 787 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 2: is the extent you thought she would? 788 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,360 Speaker 3: You know, at least at least a couple of times 789 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 3: a day. It's been twenty four hours and she's SEXTI 790 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 3: me back last. But again, I might just be overthinking it, 791 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,439 Speaker 3: m which I do I am prone to doing. 792 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,799 Speaker 2: You are are you? I mean, what do you? What 793 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 2: are you thinking? Are you thinking that this lack of 794 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,720 Speaker 2: communication is indicative of a of a lack of interest? 795 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 3: Possibly? Yeah? 796 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 2: H I I feel like I tell the same old 797 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,600 Speaker 2: story with all like sort of calls like this around 798 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:43,840 Speaker 2: dating things, and I'm always trying to reassess my position 799 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,880 Speaker 2: on these things. But I'm gonna I'm gonna throw this 800 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 2: to you. I want to want your thoughts on it. 801 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 2: Here's the thing. It sounds like, and I don't I 802 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 2: don't know because I don't know this girl whatever, But 803 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,840 Speaker 2: it sounds like this girl is invested in you. You 804 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,720 Speaker 2: guys have a nice time, but there's an uneven level 805 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 2: of investment here. You're you're you're a little more invested 806 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 2: than she is, which is not horror. That's at the 807 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,480 Speaker 2: end of the world. It's not doesn't mean you're whatever 808 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 2: a simp. There's an uneven levels. 809 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 3: I mean, I was in a pretty serious relationship a 810 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,000 Speaker 3: year prior and it's been it's been a year since 811 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,280 Speaker 3: I've talked to anybody with even the thought of interest 812 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 3: of going into another relationship. 813 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 2: Mm hmm hmmm. Anytime there's an uneven level of investment 814 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,840 Speaker 2: between two people, it just gets fucked up. It just 815 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:42,640 Speaker 2: it never works out. I think, no, no, no, no, But 816 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 2: don't freak out, don't freak out. This is a good thing. 817 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:52,080 Speaker 2: Let me finish. You will what's your name, Devanta says, 818 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:57,759 Speaker 2: your name is Devanta, Devanta. You will if you continue 819 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 2: putting yourself out there, find a nice lady with an 820 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 2: equal amount of investment in you as you have in her. 821 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:17,640 Speaker 3: That that that is very good advice, honestly, because that's 822 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:18,400 Speaker 3: all I want. 823 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:23,600 Speaker 2: You know, So you can you can continue down this path. 824 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,279 Speaker 2: But listen, if you really like this girl that you 825 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,840 Speaker 2: went on the data and you think it's going well, 826 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 2: and you want to get to a point where you 827 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,560 Speaker 2: two have an equal amount of investment in each other, 828 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,799 Speaker 2: because she doesn't, she doesn't not like you. I mean 829 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,279 Speaker 2: she just but she just doesn't get a text you 830 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,400 Speaker 2: every you know twice, you know whatever, she has her 831 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,319 Speaker 2: own life going on. I want to get down to 832 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,360 Speaker 2: with you. I want to get down to you. Why 833 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 2: do you have such a high investment in this person? 834 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,400 Speaker 2: What do you feel like is driving you to be 835 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:06,000 Speaker 2: anxious about how often she's texting you? Like, let's get 836 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,919 Speaker 2: down to the brass text because there's there's there's there's 837 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,960 Speaker 2: a deeper answer to that question. Then she's pretty and 838 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,400 Speaker 2: I enjoy talking to her. You know, this is this 839 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,120 Speaker 2: is what's what's what's going because that's all that's on 840 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,440 Speaker 2: her side. What's going on on your side? That's causing 841 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 2: this deeper level of investments? 842 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:33,440 Speaker 3: So I guess, I guess it would be me trying 843 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,560 Speaker 3: to find like a career I want to go into, 844 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,520 Speaker 3: you know, or like maybe having a little bit better income, 845 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,840 Speaker 3: I guess, or or just more personal things in my 846 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,360 Speaker 3: life is right now, I just work door dash and 847 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,560 Speaker 3: I work my own schedule, you know, I make make 848 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 3: buy So I guess I got a lot of time 849 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,440 Speaker 3: in my hands more so than she does, because she 850 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 3: does work a lot more so than me. 851 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:55,759 Speaker 2: M hm. 852 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:03,960 Speaker 3: So that does you know? At up mm hmmm. 853 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's that's that's sort of kind of everything 854 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,680 Speaker 2: you just said is kind of what I was getting at, 855 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,160 Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, this girl has got a 856 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,440 Speaker 2: as a full time gig. You know, she's got busy life. 857 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,560 Speaker 2: You know she I don't think you know, she might 858 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,840 Speaker 2: not not like you, but she's just you know, she 859 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,560 Speaker 2: has a busy life. She's got lots and lots of 860 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,399 Speaker 2: different pillars aside from just her dating life that are 861 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,400 Speaker 2: occupying her time, keeping her afloat. And I find I 862 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,360 Speaker 2: found this in my personal life. I find this in 863 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,840 Speaker 2: people I'm talking to on this on this here computer 864 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,560 Speaker 2: Gecko show that if you don't have a lot of 865 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,320 Speaker 2: different pillars going on in your life, then when someone 866 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,040 Speaker 2: comes along, you tend to look at them and go, ah, 867 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,200 Speaker 2: this is this is gonna gonna make me happy? Is 868 00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 2: this person? Right? You know? And that caused you to 869 00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,400 Speaker 2: be more invested then she is, and that fucks just 870 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,359 Speaker 2: funck shut up, you know. 871 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,720 Speaker 3: Right, No, I ton'tally understand that. 872 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:16,799 Speaker 2: It's so the so the long term sustainable solution is 873 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 2: not to fucking use only this certain type of emoji 874 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,840 Speaker 2: when you're texting her, or to wait this amount of 875 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,920 Speaker 2: time or any stupid minute, fucking thing that people are 876 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,000 Speaker 2: always talking about when they're talking about whatever dating strategy. 877 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:42,280 Speaker 2: It's all bullshit. The actual, long term, sustainable way forward 878 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:49,759 Speaker 2: is to build up a nice, diversified life portfolio so 879 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:55,000 Speaker 2: that you are not putting on an air that you're 880 00:56:55,080 --> 00:57:00,240 Speaker 2: not desperate, but you are actually internally in your sole 881 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,479 Speaker 2: not desperate. Right, you know what I'm saying. 882 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,560 Speaker 3: I know what you're saying. Geck, I know what you're saying. Man, 883 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 3: I that that resonated hell up. 884 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,680 Speaker 2: Good, good, says he. You're twenty one years old, Ok, 885 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,520 Speaker 2: it's beautiful. You know you got you got plenty of 886 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,720 Speaker 2: time to build that nice life. You're twenty two, perfect, perfect, 887 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,880 Speaker 2: you got plenty of time to build this nice diversified 888 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,400 Speaker 2: life portfolio. But I just I just want you to 889 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,360 Speaker 2: know what I'm telling you this from personal experience, you 890 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,880 Speaker 2: will not. The only sustainable solution is to actually build 891 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:42,680 Speaker 2: a life, and then other people in your sort of 892 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,240 Speaker 2: the dating world of your life will gravitate toward you 893 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:53,840 Speaker 2: by chasing. Even if you end up finding you know 894 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,880 Speaker 2: does not well, it is not a sustainable solution for 895 00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:03,000 Speaker 2: for anyone, right, And this advice is not gendered by 896 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,760 Speaker 2: the way this is. This is anything. This is men, women, 897 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,600 Speaker 2: whatever we are. This is not a you know, this 898 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,000 Speaker 2: is a just overall thing. 899 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,600 Speaker 3: But that is that is very overall. 900 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,360 Speaker 2: It also says here that you're a DJ and that 901 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:22,040 Speaker 2: you go by the name Slamming D. Yeah, you feel 902 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,480 Speaker 2: like this name has given people the wrong idea of 903 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,720 Speaker 2: who you are? Now? Is the computer wrong a third time? 904 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,240 Speaker 2: Or are we onto something here? 905 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,200 Speaker 3: No, No, that that one's on to something. That's a 906 00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 3: whole pillar in my life as we were talking about here, 907 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,080 Speaker 3: that's a big passion of mine. 908 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,439 Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful, Okay, so we're not starting this is good. 909 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,400 Speaker 2: We're not starting from scratch here. We got something, we 910 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,440 Speaker 2: got a thing, we got a passion, we got a hobby, 911 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,840 Speaker 2: we got something outside of U whatever to focus on. 912 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:58,520 Speaker 2: This is perfect. This is beautiful slamming D. Okay. It 913 00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 2: says here that you that you feel like, yeah, well okay, 914 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 2: it says here that you feel like the name has 915 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 2: given people a wrong idea of who you are. What 916 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 2: idea do you think it gives people of who you are? 917 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,480 Speaker 3: All right, Well, whenever people think of slam and D, 918 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:22,520 Speaker 3: you know, today's day and age, I have always thought 919 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,560 Speaker 3: people just you know, go right to dick slamming dick, Yeah, 920 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,880 Speaker 3: slam and d yeah. Yeah. People right, they go right 921 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:30,760 Speaker 3: to it, you know what I mean? 922 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,480 Speaker 2: Okay, And is that not what slam and D means? 923 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,560 Speaker 2: What is your intention? Different from people's interpretation? 924 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,640 Speaker 3: Wait? Way different? It goes way back into my childhood interpretation. 925 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:49,040 Speaker 2: Actually, okay, what what is what is the what is 926 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,200 Speaker 2: the appropriate interpretation of slam and D? 927 00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,920 Speaker 3: So so my my stepdad, way way back when I 928 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,000 Speaker 3: was like ten years old or something, you know, I'd 929 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,120 Speaker 3: be playing little little league baseball or some you know, 930 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,600 Speaker 3: Bannicker basketball or something, you know, just small leagues whenever 931 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,920 Speaker 3: you're a kid, you know, and every time we win 932 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,760 Speaker 3: a game or something, or I make a basket, do 933 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,080 Speaker 3: let's go swam and d you know, you know my 934 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:20,960 Speaker 3: name is Davante, right vant As the computer says. 935 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:24,920 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you. This is already this 936 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,320 Speaker 2: is already way too long of a disclaimer. People aren't 937 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,200 Speaker 2: gonna people people people are people aren't. It's not gonna 938 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,919 Speaker 2: register with people immediately. You're gonna you're gonna have enough 939 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,560 Speaker 2: time to explain, you know, right. 940 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,840 Speaker 3: That's what I was worried about you know, it's it's 941 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,600 Speaker 3: a whole story behind it, you know. 942 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh change change your name of me. Like look, 943 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,600 Speaker 2: I have the same thing. People think that I'm like 944 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,200 Speaker 2: a therapist because I'm therapy, get go, and I can't 945 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,840 Speaker 2: change now it's too late. I'm therapy, got go forever now. 946 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,280 Speaker 2: But I I don't. I don't have enough time to 947 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,680 Speaker 2: give the spiel. No, I'm not a therapist. I'm just 948 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,680 Speaker 2: a guy. I'm a Gecko guy and talk to people 949 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,000 Speaker 2: on the punt there. They're already tuned out, they already 950 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,800 Speaker 2: have their idea. So I'm telling you right now again 951 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 2: from experience I needed to learn from me on this 952 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,160 Speaker 2: phone call. Here, you pick a rebrand something some people 953 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 2: get immediately, where the intention and the reception are are 954 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,840 Speaker 2: a little bit more on the same line, right. 955 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,280 Speaker 3: No, I totally agree with that. That's what I was 956 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,760 Speaker 3: thinking I should do the whole time. 957 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:31,120 Speaker 2: But I was Devanta, Devanta, Devanta, anything else you want 958 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,160 Speaker 2: to say to the people before. 959 01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:39,960 Speaker 3: We go, You guys, have a good night, beautiful. 960 01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:40,400 Speaker 2: Thank you Devanta. 961 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,440 Speaker 3: Hey, thank you, Geko, you have a good night. 962 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:43,680 Speaker 5: Man. 963 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,840 Speaker 2: I can't believe that guy thinks he knows more than 964 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:55,120 Speaker 2: the computer. That's his first problem. That's the number one 965 01:01:55,120 --> 01:02:01,560 Speaker 2: thing I recommend he work on, is being humble. Technology 966 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:08,200 Speaker 2: is king. Look around, people, we are not living in 967 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:15,520 Speaker 2: a society ruled by the government, not by kings, queens, 968 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,800 Speaker 2: not even by gods. We are living in a society 969 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:30,960 Speaker 2: ruled by the computer. And only a fool would think 970 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:37,320 Speaker 2: themselves to no less than that which rules the universe. 971 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,600 Speaker 4: Goes on the line. 972 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:48,760 Speaker 2: Taking your phone calls, every line teaching your life is 973 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:54,560 Speaker 2: not experts