1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Fascinating. It's one more thing. I'm one more thing. Two 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: notes from the world of science fiction, Jack, I know 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: you love that genre of entertainment slash literature. I am 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: not a science fiction person. I don't know why. I 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: just don't know. I don't know why either. It's it's great. 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: There's some that's just it's some of the wisest best things. 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: You see. You change the setting, Katie, What did did? 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: Did your dog break wind? Why do you have that 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: look on your face? It feels the same way I 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: do about science fiction. I work with philistines. No, all right, 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not going to try to explain 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: Beethoven to a couple of bassett hounds. No offense. That's funny. 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: Now you either like it or you don't. But it 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: is somebody more. I'll bet Tim Sandefer could could wax 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: incredibly eloquent on why science fiction is so good because 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: it changes enough frames of reference that you can isolate 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: various aspects of human behavior in a way that highlights 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: them in a way that's difficult with other fiction. Anyway, 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: fascinating exactly. I have no blanket idea. This is note 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: from science fiction number one. Why this popped into my head. 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm wandering off to the bathroom the radio ranch. It 22 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: must have been. I was thinking about something that was 23 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: really interesting, and I heard Spock's voice in my head saying, fascinating, fascinating, 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: and you know what occurred to me? Tell me about 25 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: mister Spock, Michael, I'm putting you on the spot here. 26 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: What is the most distinctive thing about the character mister Spock? 27 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: It was his ears? No, no, you know what. 28 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: That's not a bad assw That's a perfect answer if 29 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: you're gonna look at him, but not physically. 30 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: How about his personality? What was most notable class anyone? 31 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: That's right? Well, I'm interested to Michael, you don't have answer. 32 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: Have you never seen Star Trek here and there? But 33 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: not really? He was emotionless, right, exactly? Have you seen 34 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: Star Trek Katie? 35 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: When I was a kid, the original Trek, my dad 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: watched a bit of it and I was forced. 37 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: Oh I was. I was a big fan. And then 38 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: I got to college and a bunch of buddies of 39 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: mine and I would get baked every Sunday night after 40 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: our like homework was done and stuff like this study 41 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: and we would get baked and watch Star Trek Guy 42 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: one episode or multiple No, just one, just one, over 43 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: and over again. There was one of the TV stations 44 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: that aired Star Trek at nine o'clock Sunday nights. 45 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: What a different era in that you would now you know, 46 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: be able to binge the whole series in one weekend. 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: Right exactly. But oh, we had ground rules about there's 48 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: no saving seats. If you got up to hit the john, 49 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: you're you're the next guy is going to jump into 50 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: that good seat and you come back and you'd you know, 51 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: shuffling feet, lose your seat. There's etiquette. It was very formalized. Anyway, 52 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: it occurred to me Spock saying, fascinating, that's an emotional reaction. 53 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: His catchphrase contradicted his very essence. If you are a 54 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: robot like and feel no emotion, you're not gonna be 55 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: fascinated by a problem or an issue. 56 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 2: It's just more information, but it has no emotional effect. 57 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: On right, exactly. His very catchphrase contradicted his character. I 58 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: hope Tom Sandifer hears this. I would love to hear 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: his comments someday. 60 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: Or the episode where he thought Jim was dead and 61 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: he was so excited to see Jim that he has 62 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: a big smut, Jim, you're alive, briefly breaking character and 63 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: having emotions. 64 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: Of course, he was half human, jack, Oh, that's right, 65 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: he was half human. Tim Sandfer has written a piece 66 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: on the evolving point of view and plots of Star 67 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: Trek and how it parallels American foreign policy that is 68 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: knockout good. 69 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: Oh really, Oh yeah, that's interesting. It's not about how 70 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: William Shatton or some seasons would be fat and some 71 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: seasons would be fit. 72 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: No, al loough, that is worthy of studying itself. All right, 73 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: birds science fiction note number two, And there are a 74 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 1: couple of people who email this. We're talking about gene splicing, 75 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: editing designer baby, yeah, and how it's a real thing. 76 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: This New York Times columnist writing about how she and 77 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: her husband with IVF were given the choice of whether 78 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: they wanted a boy or a girl, and they decided 79 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: they didn't like the power to choose that, but then 80 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: found out that there are a whole bunch of other 81 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: things you can choose. And a poll came out that 82 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: forty percent of Americans said they would make choices in 83 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: embryos they if it would make it more likely that 84 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 2: their kid could get into a good school whatever. I 85 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: hate that phrase. I don't even know what that means. 86 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I kind of hate that attitude. 87 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, so like make taller, better looking, smarter. You can 88 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: choose that. 89 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: Or just quote unquote happy, happier. Yeah, you guys ever 90 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: see that show Black Mirror? On that No, I've got 91 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: a note to watch that and I haven't yet. What's 92 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: the premise? 93 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: The premise it's basically way in the future, and it's 94 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: very like technology based. So at one point you have 95 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: people walking around and they have like a social status 96 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: above their heads that you can see, you know, and 97 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: if you do something that's socially unacceptable, your status goes down. 98 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: It's just like a bunch of really terrible technology scenarios. 99 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 3: This sounds like something out of Black Mirror. 100 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: But did you enjoy that show? I love that, which 101 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: is science fiction? You hypocrite. I don't do the whole 102 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: space Aliens thing. I don't know. That's where you draw 103 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: a lot, That's where I draw a line. Yeah, okay, 104 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: I will watch it because it sounds really interesting. Yeah, 105 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: it really is. So anyway, we were talking about this 106 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: and I just did that. Mike Judge, who was behind 107 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: the we thought it was a comedy. Turns out it 108 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: was a documentary idiocracy, one of our mutual favorite movies 109 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: of all time. It's it's dumb, but it's smart anyway. 110 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: He needs to make an idiocracy for genetically engineered humans 111 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: who are all, you know, good looking, tall, blue eyed, whatever, 112 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: kind of a Stepford wives baby. 113 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: And pleasant or happy. Because we mentioned the show, every writer, musician, 114 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: artist was unhappy. Has there ever been a happy great 115 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: guitar player. I don't know if there has been. 116 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: Right, whether alienated or lonely or a misfit who is 117 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: looking for some purpose to their life. Yeah, yeah, it's well, 118 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:50,559 Speaker 1: discontent in general drives achievement anyway. So a couple of people, 119 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: including Christy, wrote notes that said, hey, you're talking about 120 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: the movie Gatica, which came out and I think somebody 121 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: said nineteen ninety seven, it's not a comedy, but it's 122 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: a beautiful film about the not too distant future where 123 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: people choose traits and those who are born naturally are 124 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: considered second class citizens. Oh wow. I'm a genetic counselor 125 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: and former genetic research scientist, and it is literally referenced 126 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: in ethical discussions all the time. It's normal to have 127 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: someone ask the question, isn't that a little too gatica? Wow? 128 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: What would cause U naturally born to be second class citizens? Well, 129 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: because they're inferior, they're not all all and beautiful and perfect, 130 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: and well, yeah, just naturally you would because you wouldn't 131 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: be as good looking or as smart. And by the way, 132 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: Christine Rancho Cordova, I will I'll drop her note, but 133 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: she says, uh, I won't bore you with all the details, 134 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. No, go ahead, Borius, with as many 135 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: details as you want. To find this all fascinating. And 136 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: she makes the point that, yeah, we talk about the 137 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: ethics all the time, but I do think it's just 138 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: a matter of time, especially because other countries have been 139 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: dabbling in it anyway. Uh, And I thought, Gatica, that 140 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: sounds really familiar. Getka, why does that sound so familiar? 141 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: And I think, I think that's the movie. I got 142 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: to retell a story that's been told more than once 143 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: on the show through the last well nineteen ninety seven, 144 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: twenty five years whatever. I took my kids to see Elf, 145 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: a good movie in the theater movie and they had 146 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: a couple of previews a young Zoey Deschanel. Oh so 147 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: cute anyway, Katie rolls her eyes. I'm a straight Maybe 148 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: you were there for an older Ed Asner, So any oh, 149 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: she was so lovable in that movie. She's darling anyway. 150 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: So a couple of previews and then another preview we 151 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: thought of a very dark and serious nature, very dark 152 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: and serious scene unfolds and it is as I recall, oh, 153 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: what's her name, a beautiful African American actress. Yeah, who's 154 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: sitting in a chair talking to some sort of counselor 155 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: or detective or something like that, and get the bleepers ready, 156 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: and what's the ages on your kids? Again? This is 157 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: a theater full of parents and children ages five through thirteen. 158 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're seeing elf. So that in the theater, 159 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: and the scene unfolded as follows, blah blah blah. The 160 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: detective or counselor or whatever the person was says to 161 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: the halle Berry character, so are you telling me you 162 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: talked to Satan? And the halle Berry character, I think 163 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: it was halle Bery says, talk to Satan, I fucked him, 164 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: and the whole theater goes, WHOA, what is happening here? 165 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: And there's a huge uproar, including me, why you're doing 166 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: everybody shouting at the projection booth and they and everything stops, 167 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: and the lights go on, and about two or three 168 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: minutes of there's a great deal of buzz in the theater. 169 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: You can imagine the parents and the kids going, oh 170 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: my god, what does that mean? What does it mean 171 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: to fuck Satan? Oh jeez, oh my gosh, es elf 172 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: come out crying. They come on and say, we'd like 173 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: to apologize the projection booth ran the wrong film. We'll 174 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: have elth cued up for you in just a moment. 175 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: If you'd like to sign some paperwork on the way 176 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: out saying you will not hold us responsible for any 177 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 2: future trauma, we will give you a free small popcorn. 178 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: And I think that movie was gatica. Yeah. 179 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: I'm wondering if you guys actually enjoyed treating your customers 180 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 3: like a piece of yeah. 181 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: Huh oh. 182 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: I can only imagine the parents in there, Oh. 183 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: My god, it is something, you know, since we got 184 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: an F bomb in the show. Already out to the 185 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 2: store because this happened two days ago. I got the 186 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: little local market by my house, little grocery store that 187 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: the good enough grocery store in case unless you need 188 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of stuff every but it goes. 189 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: To nice grocery store. 190 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: It just came under new ownership, and the guy's working 191 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: really hard to uh, to please everybody and saying hello 192 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: to everybody and introduce himself and everything like that. That's 193 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: really nice and everything like that. I'm in the other 194 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: there the other day and I'm going through and I said, 195 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: it looks like it's a knocking the rain day, and 196 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 2: he said, yeah, it's pretty fucking nice outside, all right. 197 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: I love that. I thought, what, No, it's of society. 198 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: He's just a nice, cheerful guy. He's like sixty two 199 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: or something like that. 200 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: Well, owns the store, kind of a fat guy, and 201 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: just very super pleasant, like helping the old ladies to 202 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: their car. 203 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: It's pretty fucking nice. 204 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: Like Sam told me, he said, you gotta start talking 205 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: to him that way. It's like, where's the fucking milk? 206 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: No, no, no, oh, that's awesome. Well, I guess that's it. 207 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: I was really hoping you were gonna say, I guess 208 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: that's fucking me too. Great minds. I thought of it.