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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we finally completely believe in

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Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders. Yes, I'm here in the Chris Wesley

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Speaker 1: podcast studio. My name is Greg Rosenthal and I am

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Speaker 1: joined by my friend Patrick Claybond for a Conference Championship

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Speaker 1: preview spectacular.

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Speaker 2: It is a spectacular. We got great guests. We're missing

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Speaker 2: man formation because Complace Championships means that Steve Weish is

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Speaker 2: out doing his lead national reporter thing. But that's why

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Speaker 2: we have consolidated what remains here to look forward to

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Speaker 2: a great game we have. We'll talk about one respectful

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Speaker 2: separation later on in the show. Wow, we respectfully separates

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Speaker 2: as Steve goes to do his other part.

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Speaker 1: But do you know what he's actually doing? And yes,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about some news that happened, and we will

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Speaker 1: welcome in some guests to the show more than that

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Speaker 1: a second, and we will talk news at the very

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Speaker 1: end of the show if you just want, you know.

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Speaker 3: Oh I need my John Spytek opinion.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be towards the end with Aaron Glenn

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Speaker 1: and a lot's been going on in that realm.

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Speaker 3: But you know what Steve is doing.

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Speaker 1: He really has the best like setup at the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Last week he was doing the Polynesian Bowl, Great great broadcast,

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Speaker 1: love it the high School All Star Game in Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: This week he is knocking on doors and making the

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Speaker 1: dreams come true of the Hall of Fame class of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. And he gets to be the guy

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Speaker 1: that does this. It's pretty cool and I want that job.

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Speaker 1: I gotta admit, exactly why would I have it?

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Speaker 2: We continue to float it, we will get Steve will

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Speaker 2: use his huge Canton influence to get Greg.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's doing it. Yeah. I wouldn't want h him

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Speaker 3: to be.

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Speaker 2: All he has to do is keep like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal would really like to be part.

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Speaker 1: I could bring like gatorades or just drinks or something

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Speaker 1: to be a part of it if they need that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So here's the setup. We're going to preview the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: and Bills. We're going to preview the Eagles and the Commanders,

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Speaker 1: the two of us, and then we're gonna welcome in

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Speaker 1: some guests. I'll say goodbye to you. I did these

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Speaker 1: interviews without you and sorry about that. They were strange times.

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Speaker 1: One was seven thirty in the morning, but that's what

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Speaker 1: you do. When you have a big time guest like

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Speaker 1: Nick Wright, who's gonna we're gonna talk some Chiefs and

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Speaker 1: some Bills there, sorry, Eric, that we brought in like

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Speaker 1: the anti Bills guy for to talk Chiefs Bills. And

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Speaker 1: then we also have on Bram Weinstein, who's been a

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Speaker 1: huge part of this show, the play by play voice

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Speaker 1: of the Commanders, and that was a great conversation. So

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Speaker 1: I implore everyone stick around for the whole thing and

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Speaker 1: then we'll be back and do the news.

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Speaker 2: At the end. Yeah, it's gonna be great. Hopefully we

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Speaker 2: can get Bram to do a touchdown Washington go audio

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Speaker 2: on that. It's so much to look forward to. But

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Speaker 2: we start Greg with the games. Yes, let's do it,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, we'll get Eric's team on the road where

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Speaker 2: they are one and a half point underdogs because nobody

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Speaker 2: believes in them going up against the City Chiefs. Is

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Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills the over under forty seven and a half.

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Speaker 2: It's Jim, Tony and Tracy on the call. Greg. We

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Speaker 2: get to see a rematch of the game that the

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Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs lost this year. That game was in Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: Since then, the Chiefs have won every game other than

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Speaker 2: the game that they didn't need to win, where they

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Speaker 2: ran out Carson Wentz for an extended period of time

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Speaker 2: and got the Broncos a spot in the playoffs. How

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Speaker 2: will this game, if it is different, be different, rag.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll be less possessions. That's such a weird

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Speaker 1: the game last week. Both of them really and both

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Speaker 1: teams only had seven possessions. And they're both running offense

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Speaker 1: And you saw that the last two times, the last

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Speaker 2: They're all kind of arbitrary if you want to make.

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Speaker 1: The football has been played a long time, true, and

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Speaker 1: turnovers have always been like a very baseline stat. And

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes was falling as he was getting tackled right

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Speaker 1: And then the thing that also snug on me that

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Speaker 1: not know that. Shout out to Shio Kapadia through that

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which is huge for the people who prioritize

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Speaker 2: And look back to when the Kansas City Chiefs lost

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Speaker 2: They were wide open against the Kansas City Chiefs last time.

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Speaker 2: Can they duplicate that performance with the Chiefs defense playing

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Speaker 1: One of those pieces is Jalen Watson. So he came

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's going to be difficult for Buffalo to

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Speaker 2: be more aggressive towards the line of scrimmage you mentioned

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Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie. It's not like a Wiggins cover situation, where

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Speaker 2: long extended drives. You're gonna have to take shots. Who

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Speaker 2: do they take those shots too? If not a Mark

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Speaker 3: It's a test of this team build.

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Speaker 1: And so I think you've been wise to point out,

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Speaker 3: That was kind of a crazy game.

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Speaker 1: The more like I went back and watched it and

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Speaker 1: the Bills have almost become like the Chiefs, that they

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Speaker 1: they could win just going super run heavy. They wouldn't

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Speaker 1: but they have shown us with their playtime. They trust

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Speaker 1: Kean Coleman more than Amari Cooper pretty crazy, like he

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Speaker 1: I don't know that. I think that's why Mac Collins

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Speaker 3: Cooper's played in.

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Speaker 1: It's Kurtis Samuel who's losing out to him and Cooper

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Speaker 1: twenty snaps in more clear passing situations. It's a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bills again. Another thing that they the Cooper

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get this. Let's get the big everything game.

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Speaker 3: He had a couple of really good contested catches.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we just don't know as we're taping. We're

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Speaker 1: That's more than he had for the five previous weeks combined,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if your defense is ready for it.

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Speaker 2: It's tough to imagine like an offensive game that measures

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Speaker 1: I think about this matchup and I think the Bills

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Speaker 2: To play safeball against this Kansas City Chiefs team. You

437
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Speaker 2: got a crosser, you got a five yard game to Kelsey,

438
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Speaker 2: You get third and two, third and three, third and four.

439
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: Mahomes converts those over and over again, and you lose

440
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Speaker 2: the game. They're going to have to be aggressive with

441
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Speaker 2: their pass rush stunts games. Perhaps a few blitz has

442
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Speaker 2: worked in there to not play safety ball against this

443
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Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs team. Go out there and beat them

444
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Speaker 2: like you did in the regular season, because contrary to

445
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Speaker 2: belief in conversations, those games do give us data. They

446
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 2: do matter. Yeah, seems they're good in the regular season,

447
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: tend to be good in the postseason. It doesn't always

448
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 2: work out, but when you play and you play well,

449
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Speaker 2: it gives us information to believe that you do it again.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and that's it's why I believe in McDermott and

451
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Speaker 1: this Bills team more than I used to, is that

452
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Speaker 1: he is more flexible. I think he was way too safe,

453
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Speaker 1: for instance, in that divisional round loss to the Chiefs

454
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Speaker 1: back in the day. In it, and he found religion

455
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Speaker 1: a little bit. He became the second most aggressive coach

456
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Speaker 1: on fourth downs this year according to FTN Fantasy. And

457
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Speaker 1: he changes up his defensive game plans really well. And

458
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Speaker 1: I do wonder And this will be the last thing

459
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Speaker 1: I say, and we're going to I'm gonna save my

460
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Speaker 1: pick for the Cynthia Frieland it is Man Versus Machine

461
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Speaker 1: show that comes out on Friday. But the last thing

462
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Speaker 1: I will say is I noticed that Texans had a

463
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Speaker 1: very interesting game plan last week where I thought they

464
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Speaker 1: actually played Mahomes a little bit like other teams play

465
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Speaker 1: Allen to not scramble, a little bit of that mush

466
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Speaker 1: rush type of thing where they were making sure not

467
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Speaker 1: to let Mahomes get passed them. There was a couple

468
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Speaker 1: times where guys just stood there and waited, and if

469
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Speaker 1: you looked, it was one of the least effective games.

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Speaker 3: Mahomes had scrambling.

471
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Speaker 1: Ever, like most of his scrambles were ineffective, and you

472
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Speaker 1: almost never see that his success rate all this stuff.

473
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Speaker 1: They actually they did a really good disciplined job. They

474
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Speaker 1: got good pass rush too, but they were really disciplined.

475
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Speaker 1: So I wonder if the Bills they see that and

476
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Speaker 1: they really try to prevent it, because man, that is

477
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Speaker 1: tough to do. But they did a really good job.

478
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Speaker 1: And I've almost never seen a team do that to him.

479
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Speaker 2: But they had the talent to be able to do

480
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Speaker 2: that where you can make those split because these decisions

481
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: happened in a split second, and Will Anderson did get

482
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Speaker 2: got on a decision that happened in a split second

483
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Speaker 2: where I don't necessarily think it was a penalty, but

484
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Speaker 2: you make those those fractional second.

485
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Speaker 1: Jobs, like the defensive tackles were almost mirroring him instead

486
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Speaker 1: of coming after him. And I was like, oh, that's good,

487
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Speaker 1: and then waiting and then help came.

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Speaker 3: It was good. It was good. That's all I mean.

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's great. It was great for the Texans.

490
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Speaker 2: Do the Bills have the talent up front to be

491
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Speaker 2: able to play it safe? It just feels like a

492
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't want to say cowardly, but

493
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: you gotta go. You gotta take your shot and tell

494
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Speaker 2: those guys to go. Okay O, get them go win

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Speaker 2: the game.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we are gonna take a quick break here and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be back right after this talk a little

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Speaker 1: NFC Championship back On NFL Daily, Tom Brady says he's

499
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Speaker 1: staying with Fox all nine years. It's a funny thing

500
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Speaker 1: where every week you have to make a statement about

501
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Speaker 1: that you're gonna stay at your job.

502
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Speaker 2: But that's how you know things are going great. You know.

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Speaker 1: I thought I saw him talking to his coworker, Colin Coward,

504
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Speaker 1: and yes, he said. Essentially, he's having a lot of

505
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Speaker 1: fun and he's gonna be there through the end of

506
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Speaker 1: the contract, and who knows, maybe even longer than that.

507
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Speaker 1: If Fox will have him, we'll see decade plus. I would,

508
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Speaker 1: I would what about Yes, that does not happened?

509
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Speaker 2: What about twelve years? Greg? What about TB twelve twelve

510
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Speaker 2: years at Fox?

511
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Speaker 3: He is getting better though.

512
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Speaker 1: I think he had a good game last week, made

513
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Speaker 1: a couple salient points and key moments, and I was

514
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Speaker 1: a little more comfortable.

515
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Speaker 2: I was good. I was good with Tom last week.

516
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Speaker 2: It's okay because he was good. There's no bias there.

517
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Speaker 2: I enjoyed Tom oh last week. Oh because again, like

518
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Speaker 2: during the season, I don't necessarily get.

519
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Speaker 3: To hear every every bitness you're on air.

520
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Speaker 2: You know, Fox's Game of the week. But here in

521
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Speaker 2: Tom I felt great about it. There are options that

522
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Speaker 2: don't live up to that's speaking of Tom Brady. He

523
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Speaker 2: and his friend KB are on the call between the

524
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Speaker 2: Washington Commanders again for the third time this season, playing

525
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Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles, who are a six point favorite. Greg

526
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Speaker 2: the over under is forty seven and a half. Let's

527
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Speaker 2: start before we get to Brams team. Yeah, with the

528
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Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles, who last time they had this particular matchup,

529
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Speaker 2: they had a twenty one six lead. Their quarterback leaves

530
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Speaker 2: the game with concussion. Can he Pickett comes in, he

531
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Speaker 2: leads a touchdown, driving, he throws a pick. The Commanders

532
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 2: have five turnovers. They still win the game. It's absolute chaos.

533
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Speaker 2: How do we feel about the hurtz led Eagles offense

534
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Speaker 2: this time around?

535
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Speaker 1: They did a walk through on Wednesday. Nick Sirianne didn't

536
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: say why. I just thought it was best for his team.

537
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: Just kind of called an audible at the last second

538
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: and practiced indoors with no media there for a walk through.

539
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: I got out of my Raidar's like, I don't know

540
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Speaker 1: what I don't know what it means. Are they are

541
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Speaker 1: they hiding Jalen Hurts.

542
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Speaker 2: I know what it means.

543
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Speaker 3: What does it mean? Because it's it's afraid.

544
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Speaker 2: To call you the attention people asking questions about Jalen Hurts,

545
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 2: people asking questions about aj Brown. Whenever that happens, Nick

546
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: Gianni says, I need to do something weird so people

547
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Speaker 2: start thinking about me. And it has worked every time.

548
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Speaker 3: Greg, Yeah, I think he's he's enjoying not being like

549
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: at least a negative center of attention right now, which

550
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: he could have been.

551
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: Like, we didn't even talk about how that the end

552
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: of that first half ended for the Rams when when

553
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Speaker 1: in the Eagles last week, in that game in Nick

554
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: Sirianni seemed to.

555
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: Just freeze up.

556
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: But I it's one reason why when I when I

557
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: look at the Eagles offense and think about them in

558
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: a late game situation and think about their coaching operation

559
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: even though dan Quinn and the Commander's defense are obviously

560
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: out talented, yeah, overmatched, I think the coaching matchup favors

561
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: the Commanders in this game overall. Cliff versus Vic that

562
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: that's a great matchup. But on the other side, like

563
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: game management and confidence that they're going to make the

564
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: right decisions in the big moments. I trust the Commanders

565
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: more because they've done it time after time after time,

566
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: and the Eagles give me pause. And then in terms

567
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: of game planning, like dan Quinn had a good game

568
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: plan last week to cook up golf enough to get

569
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: him to do golf things, and even though he's a

570
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: little outmatched, it's a one game situation. They've seen each

571
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: other a couple times. I trust dan Quinn overall, in

572
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: this entire staff, overall, more than the Commanders. It's one

573
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: reason why you spoiler. I'm struggling to pick this game

574
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: because I'm almost between like Commanders win or Eagles cover six.

575
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: It's like, if it's close at the very end and

576
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: the Eagles have the ball, I kind of don't trust

577
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: the Eagles to finish it out because of their quarterback

578
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: and their passing game and their coaching staff.

579
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Speaker 2: Right. I just think we haven't seen them need the

580
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: passing game. They've been able to win games in the

581
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: playoffs being conservative, where we just talked about a team

582
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: that won a playoff game being conservative, and the idea

583
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Speaker 2: isn't that, Well, Buffalo can't pass the ball. I know

584
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: Jalen's been hurt but we've seen them be successful. We've

585
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: seen a J. Brown be very very successful against this team,

586
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: and I know Marshan Lattimore makes it different. And there's

587
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: the Commanders fans out there that see Latimore get beat

588
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: by Mike Evans, their Reggets beat by Mike Evans, or

589
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: these pass interferences against a J. Brown that came in

590
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: that matchup where Kenny Picketts throw on the ball. Marshall

591
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: Latimore gives dang Quinn the confidence to go out there

592
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: and have somebody one on one consistently on AJ Brown

593
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: and it's a flexibility that allows the rest of the

594
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: defense to do to do a whole lot more where

595
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: you're running Sam are still out there or that's.

596
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: A good cornerback too.

597
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: If Latimore is in good form, which he looked to

598
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: be last week.

599
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: And so I just I think just because the Eagles

600
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: haven't shown that they that they can do this and

601
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: go hopline and have a very tilted towards the pass game,

602
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that the club's not in the bag anymore.

603
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: I still think that they can do that. And I'm

604
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: with you on dan Quinn. Like we know that the

605
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: Commanders have a structure, they have a plan, it's gonna

606
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: they're gonna stick to it. Not to say it's predictable,

607
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: but we know that the way they evaluate and approach

608
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: those decisions is going to be consistent. Whereas with the

609
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles, Hey, you know, maybe it's effectively wild, right,

610
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: it's pre glasses, Rick Vaughan, and the parts are flying

611
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: off the dummy as he's trying to hit the plate.

612
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: But you're standing up there, you don't know what's gonna happen.

613
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: And so like, it creates a lot of variants in

614
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: those situations. And I see where you're coming from. But

615
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: I got a side with Vic Fangio.

616
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: Well sure on the other side, yes Fangio, Okay.

617
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: And so if I'm looking at a defense that has

618
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: really just been the reason the commanders and I know,

619
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Speaker 2: like dan Quinn's aggressive and he's got belief in faith.

620
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Speaker 2: If they had a better defense, they would not have

621
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Speaker 2: had all these fourth down conversions. They are going for

622
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Speaker 2: fourth downs out of necessity because they are not getting

623
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Speaker 2: the stops.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. No, I think you're right, and he's coached

625
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: to that all year. It is interesting. I was thinking

626
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: about how it's almost like all these teams out there.

627
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: They're all like the sons of Howie and Doug Peterson.

628
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: You know, they brought in the fourth down rail revolution.

629
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Speaker 1: Not that they were the first, but I feel like

630
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: they were the most out there and won a title

631
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: with it.

632
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: In the beginning. How He created for no.

633
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Speaker 1: And I'm I'm saying Peterson too, because he he was

634
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: the face of it.

635
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: Really.

636
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: But now all these teams out here, it's like now

637
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: the Bills, you know, now the Commanders. Everyone's gotten the

638
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: religion and it's made them better.

639
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: And could that clarity end up costing the Eagles?

640
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: The trend that they started is a problem because they

641
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: got to defend the Commanders for four downs and it's

642
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: a lot to defend. Because the Eagles defense created a

643
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: lot of big plays late in the season, but they

644
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: actually had a couple of games where they gave up

645
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: some big yardage and that Daniel's Commander's game was really surprising.

646
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: Now they kept giving him possession, a ton of possessions,

647
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: which never helps your defense. But for that fourth quarter,

648
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: for what it's worth, it was about as bad the

649
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: Eagles defense looked in a little stretch in a game

650
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: all season that the Commanders kind of put it to him,

651
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: and that wasn't about Kenny Pickett being out there on

652
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: the field. That was Jaden Daniels especially playing hurry up,

653
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: which worked when the Rams did it last week too.

654
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: And they have they have a lot of different clubs

655
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: in the bag. The Commanders.

656
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: They make you get ready for a lot.

657
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: But the one absence that did have an impact in

658
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: that game that the Commanders won while turning the ball

659
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: five times, turning the ball over five times was no CJGJ.

660
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: For an extended period of the time. CJ. Gardner Johnson

661
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: got ran for the consecutive personal foul calls and after that,

662
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: the Eagles secondary, which has been so solid and consistent,

663
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: felt kind of lost. And I think that those two

664
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: things were slightly related.

665
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: Isaiah Rodgers could be a big factor in this game.

666
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: We don't know about Quinnon Mitchell. Early in the week,

667
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 1: he sounded someone optimistic in the locker, but that doesn't

668
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: really mean anything. The fact that he didn't come back

669
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: to the game means more. So we'll we'll find out.

670
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: And that's a big matchup. And Rogers held up pretty

671
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: well last week, but it's because the Commanders suddenly have

672
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: a number two receiver I mean, what if I told you,

673
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: What if I told you that the leading receiver and

674
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: yardage in this postseason for the Commanders is not Terry McLaurin.

675
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: It's Deammy Brown, who has put up eleven for one

676
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: eighty seven and one over two weeks, almost identical to

677
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: Terry's numbers, by the way, very very similar. Terry I

678
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: think has two touchdowns but a few a little less

679
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: yards and watching it, I don't know. I know he

680
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: only had three hundred yards in the regular season, but

681
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: it looks pretty legit to me like he has what

682
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: you want suddenness, really good speed, and more than anything,

683
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: great timing on those throws that Daniels has made to him.

684
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: I went back and watched his targets and they weren't

685
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: they weren't easy throws both games. Diamy Brown's making really

686
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: good catches and it maybe he's just coming into his

687
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: own And if they have a real number two along

688
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: with zach Ertz being the guy in the red zone

689
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: and Eckeler is back as the third down guy, suddenly

690
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: that's a much more diverse passing game than they had

691
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: at points of the season.

692
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we lose track of because you can.

693
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: I'll this is the best I've never seen a rookie quarterback.

694
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: That's good. I would make the case this is the

695
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: best rookie quarterback season of all time, pending I mean

696
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: pending results if it happens. I don't think you can

697
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: deny it, right, I.

698
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 3: Think you're right.

699
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: I think Marino statistically in that era was probably always

700
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: the best choice, but he only played ten games because

701
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: he didn't start it, and he's not getting to have

702
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: this playoff you know, excitement, Yeah.

703
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: The magic there. But Jayden has gotten even better as

704
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: the season goes on, and there's more understanding between all

705
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 2: the pieces on offense on how they're going to work together,

706
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 2: and so he gets to those spots in the progression

707
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: where Doni Brown is more of an option, right, And

708
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: it's also the realization and having Terry move around to

709
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: be more versatile on this offense. As the season went

710
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: on on, more spots of the field where it makes

711
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: it more difficult to kind of prioritize because you can't

712
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: go into a game plan without thinking, like, how are

713
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: we going to deal with seventeen? A legitimate threat every

714
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: single time the ball is snapped where you're okay with

715
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: Donnie Brown having a little success if it means taking

716
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: the opportunities away from Terry and so it's But if

717
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 2: there's a team that can do that, it's the twenty

718
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: twenty four Philadelphia Eagles.

719
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

720
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if there's no

721
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: fly zone level, but when I saw the windows that

722
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: Stafford had to get the passes into. If they're healthy,

723
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: you need quinnyon out there. But they're one of the

724
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: better secondaries that I can remember last five years or so.

725
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean, how many at each spot are pluses? How

726
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: many secondaries have five guys who are plus.

727
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: No, we saw what happened to the Lions. You lose

728
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: that depth. We're worrying about the Bills and the Chiefs.

729
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: This Philadelphia, the Eagles team is deep in the secondary.

730
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 3: They've got veterans in Liancanship out there making plays, Gardner

731
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: Johnson making plays. Darius Slay is like legit, that's.

732
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: Going to be a fascinating matchup, assuming they don't always

733
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: travel him, but assuming he's on Terry some of the time.

734
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: The thing that fascinates me though, and Fandio, this is

735
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: where his style of defense I think pays off. I

736
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: think they do kind of what they do, and sometimes

737
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: I feel like they're a little more prepared than like

738
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: more game plan specific teams for these teams like the

739
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: Commanders that do everything. And here's what you got to

740
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: prep for when you play the Commanders. You got the RPOs.

741
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: You have the fastest paced team in the league, and

742
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a big issue in

743
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: this game.

744
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: A lot of no huddle.

745
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: You have a really good vertical passing team, but then

746
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: you have a very horizontal teams, screens, you have a

747
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: team that goes in empty quite a bit.

748
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: Like it's it's just a lot that you have to

749
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: prepare for.

750
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of that that John Bates catch with on

751
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: third and four to clinch the win last week. If

752
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: you rewatch that play, I don't know what the hell

753
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: is going on on that play. You got blockers going

754
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: this way, you got blockers going that way. You got

755
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: things like I've watched a lot of football and like

756
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: it's it's it's got to be so confusing. They put

757
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: so much eye candy, but it's not even eye candy

758
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: before the snap. It's after the snap that like you

759
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: can almost see the defenders sometimes looking at these Commanders plays.

760
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: There was another RPO early in the game that was

761
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: like that too, where like the lines were just like huh,

762
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: and they just like sit there and watch it because

763
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what what's going on, and then suddenly

764
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: John Bates is out there wide open.

765
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 2: Well you could do that when your quarterback scares people to.

766
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: Death, right, that's the that's the biggest part that you

767
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: build it from. But yeah, it's true. It's it's pretty good.

768
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: They're offensive line as well. Coach though I think too,

769
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: I don't think they're that talented and that could be

770
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: a problem, but I think they're well coached.

771
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: Well, and losing Sam Cosmy is going to hurt in

772
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: that especially having to deal with Jalen Carter. You know,

773
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: should pointed out, you know, all the games that they

774
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: were running on the inside and then they stop running

775
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: those games. It leads to the most important pressure in

776
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 2: the game on Matthew Stafford.

777
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: And that was the matchup last two times they played.

778
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: It was like Cosmy was traveling with Jalen Carter. Basics,

779
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: that's not too totally true, but it was.

780
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 3: Basically Gods and Jamn Carter.

781
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: It's like you see a defensive linements stand up. We're

782
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: going to change the rules so we can get that going.

783
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: I just mean that, like sometimes he's going solo on

784
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: him versus you always double teaming Carter, like they're confident

785
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: in that sort of matchup. Sometimes they just get over

786
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: my skis and just say things and no, hope they're right.

787
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: That actually happened with the Marino playoff thing, because I

788
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: said Marino didn't have that playoff run, and I'm like,

789
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: I think that's right, right, And then I went and

790
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: checked and that was right. They lost their their first

791
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: playoff game in the AFC. Can you name the opponent?

792
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: I will give you so much props. He threw for

793
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: two touchdown, two interceptions, seven yards per ten, seven point seven.

794
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: It's sort of a trick question, Houston. It's a trick question.

795
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: It's in the AFC. It's the Seattle Sea.

796
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: Huh ah.

797
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: There we go back when they were in the conference

798
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: money downs. They're always looking for Ertz. There was that

799
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: fourth down last week, there's the third down. I do

800
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: like the zach Ertz revenge game. They tried to get

801
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni to say some things, but he wouldn't. Can

802
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: you explain that to us?

803
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: A little bit.

804
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, zach Ertz, of course, the second all time

805
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: leading receiver in Philadelphia Eagles history, had the game winning

806
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 2: touchdown in the Super Bowl was back. He had had

807
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: a touchdown in a couple of games before that they

808
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 2: played the Eagles. He had you know, one catch. They

809
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 2: lose the Eagles, dude. Nick Sirianni comes out. Everybody's dapping

810
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 2: up and he looks to zach Ertz's like, yeah, yeah,

811
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: you played a big part in that game. And zach

812
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: Ertz didn't like that. A beef ensued and since then,

813
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: zach Ertz has been terrorizing defenses on this playoff run

814
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: out of sheer spite because Nick Sirianni has made him

815
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: try extra hard.

816
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: I believe it. What a what a Nick Sirianni. He

817
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: is no word on what Big.

818
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 2: Dom was doing during this exchange, but I did hear

819
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: that he was trying to broke her piece between a

820
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: Philadelphia legend and the head coach of the Eagle. So

821
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 2: thanks to Big Dom making life possible.

822
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: He really is the beginning. When is where's the statue?

823
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 4: Uh?

824
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni is that friend? I feel like everyone has

825
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: that that if things are getting ratcheted up or something.

826
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: They just go too far and they say things like

827
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: he's an habitual line stepper. Yes, he is an habitual

828
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: line stepper.

829
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: Man, that's a nick.

830
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: Where do I go from that?

831
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: The the offensive line for the Eagles, I do want

832
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: to mention they're coming off one of their worst games

833
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: I've seen them have and they struggled a little bit

834
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: with communication. I thought upfront too, they got a little

835
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,959
Speaker 1: confused a couple of times with what the rams were doing.

836
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 3: And man, maybe it's just let's be real.

837
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: I pre taped with a brand Weinstein, so I've already

838
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: done that interview, and man, he got me believe it

839
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: in this commander's team too.

840
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: And I'm trying to make the case for it.

841
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: Them doing to the Eagles and just causing some communication

842
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: problems with the guys up front who are playing better.

843
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: Jonathan Allen is playing better and armstrong like it could

844
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: be a thing. The Eagles have quietly not been as consistent,

845
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: if you want to pick nits, and I know some

846
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: of their fans have been noticing this over the last

847
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: month on a down to down basis. With Saquon They've

848
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: popped the big runs, obviously, but just the last couple

849
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: of regular season games and then now into the playoffs,

850
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: like not as consistent. I think they will be consistent,

851
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: and if they win, it's by proving whatever this point

852
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: is wrong, because that is, on paper, the biggest mismatch.

853
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: This should be a matchup by the numbers where they

854
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: just freaking dominate and that's the reason that they go

855
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. In the matchup overall, squad has

856
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,479
Speaker 1: good numbers against Commanders, but actually for most of those

857
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: after the first couple quarters of that game, the first game,

858
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: they did a pretty good job actually against the Egos.

859
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's it's kind of the nature of

860
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: offensive a defensive football. Is why we say, you know,

861
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: playing cornerback is the most difficult job because you could

862
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: play sixty great plays, but you have two bad ones

863
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: and it end up being a touchdown. That's what Sequon

864
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: forces you to do because he's so explosive. And I

865
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: don't necessarily think because the Rams team, you know, is

866
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: a collection of great pass rushers that you know can

867
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: can kind of lose track of things in the run game,

868
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: and we saw that happen again, I don't think all

869
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: credit to a great act was and Duran's Armstrong, he

870
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: necessarily moves a needle, is doing what what young did

871
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: you know last week? And of course defensive rookie of

872
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: the Year did, and also you know how often because

873
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: again like playoff in the situation is magnified and people

874
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: try to extrapolate meaning from it a crucial fourth and

875
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: goal situation. Lane Johnson's not jumping again, right Like, sometimes

876
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: things just go wrong, Lane Johnson is walking to Canton.

877
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: It's not an issue, but sometimes just random things happen

878
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: that go bad. I just don't see crucial mistakes like

879
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: that happening again. If if they do, they coming from

880
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: their their Hall of Fame tackle.

881
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: They they're the logical pick. They've been my pick so

882
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: often on this podcast over the years, But.

883
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: The game's not logical.

884
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm struggling with this one because I think about the

885
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and I think like Jayden's misses even are good,

886
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: and he goes through his reads so quickly, almost too quickly.

887
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes he goes off like a read that that's gonna open.

888
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: But it's like the game is slow for him in

889
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: a way that I think sometimes it's fast for Hurts,

890
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: and that Hurts is not going through his reads quickly.

891
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: He's just a little.

892
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: Stuck in the mud sometimes. And if he's he's not healthy.

893
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: I just made the argument. I think I take like

894
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: the Commander's coaching staff, and I'm taking definitely taking the

895
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: Commander's quarterback, and I got a lot of magic.

896
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: It's it's tough. I don't, I don't.

897
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't need you to lean in a particular direction

898
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: right now. I'm gonna save my pick for the show

899
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: with Cynthia.

900
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm boring all of all of my hope

901
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: and belief in in in things is gone that died

902
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: on Sunday. If I'm being completely honest, what is that

903
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: I'm going. I'm going very chalky in this one, uh

904
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: and the other game. I'm just I the magic is dead.

905
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: You know, football is cruel and mean, and the Washington

906
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: Commanders have had a great and magical season, but that

907
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: they're not are not as good on defense as they

908
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: need to be. Just stop this offense. And I don't

909
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: think that that Saquan and aj and DeVante Smith have

910
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: forgotten how to produce points in the passing game. I

911
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: just don't believe.

912
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: Okay, it all makes sense to me.

913
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm in my head, my playoff picks have not been great,

914
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: and that's because I've doubted against I've doubted the commanders,

915
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: I really have. We're going to take another break and

916
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna come back on the other side. Yes, these

917
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: are two guys who are not afraid to pick this game.

918
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: They're biased, maybe just a little, but they've got a

919
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: lot of great insight. Give us the mind of the

920
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: fan and heck the announcer in the case of Bram Weinstein,

921
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: he'll be back after the break. We will also hear

922
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: from Nick Wright from FS one and Fox talking about

923
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: the Chiefs.

924
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: In places ready to explode.

925
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 5: In over time goal at the two, Jaden to the gun,

926
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 5: Rodriguess to his right to Tyda in stillle up here

927
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 5: at the staff.

928
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: Gig's gonna throw forward?

929
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 3: He does. He is second the playoffs.

930
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: Walk again.

931
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: They went over time.

932
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: You'll see you freaking Kidney. This is a missle. But

933
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: Tayda tell yous an absolute mistle.

934
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: To Zack hurts.

935
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: Oh, they didn't just go to the playoffs. They've won

936
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: a couple of games there. That was Braon Weinstein having

937
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: the time of his life, as we've had all season

938
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: listening to Bram On these calls on wb I G

939
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: so you know his voice from the season because Bram

940
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: Weinstein is joining the show and you you may not

941
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: know this brand, but we play these calls at the

942
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: end of or as part of our Sunday recap show

943
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: all year, and I feel like you're one of the

944
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: hosts of the show.

945
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: At this point. We we we do it each.

946
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: And every week and it's been awesome you and London Fletcher,

947
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: So so thank you for your contributions, Thank you.

948
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 5: For the invitation, Thanks for playing our soundtrack. We are

949
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 5: having the season of our lives. As you can probably

950
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 5: tell by the pitch and tone. Sometimes I hear these

951
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 5: played back and I'm like, I can't even believe I

952
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 5: yelm like that. So it's it's been a wild ride,

953
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 5: and I don't think it's over, honestly.

954
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: Oh, I like it starting out spicy, and yes, I

955
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: do want to mention, you know, the local calls. You

956
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: can catch those, you know in the DC area on

957
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: WBIG and ESPN Radio. Bramazon, but he's got a whole

958
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: business here Empire Media. I've been checking out your podcast

959
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: throughout the year to stay on top of the Commanders

960
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: because they're such a big story. So Bram's got his

961
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: own show. He's got a couple writers there, John Kime

962
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: and Ben Standick, who do a great job there too,

963
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 1: So he just wanted to mention that. But you started

964
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: with it sounds like you're you're feeling confident. That call,

965
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: by the way, was from the clincher to get to

966
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs. We might have time to go through a

967
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: few more. But what is it about this week that

968
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: has you feeling good?

969
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 5: Well, they beat them a month ago, so let's start there,

970
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 5: and then let me just you know, remind everybody about

971
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 5: some of the details of that game. They turn the

972
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 5: ball over five times, they had a turnover on down,

973
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 5: so it's really six. Philadelphia had the ball for ten

974
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 5: minutes of the third quarter. Washington also punted twice, and

975
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 5: somehow they ended up with thirty six points in one anyway,

976
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 5: So you know, like, I have a lot of confidence

977
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 5: that this team will get something done because they do

978
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 5: it every single week. I have not been around a

979
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 5: team wearing this uniform that has this level of poise, preparation, execution,

980
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 5: confidence and our quarterback is a one of one. So

981
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 5: I've got a lot of confidence that they're going to

982
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 5: be at bare minim in a close game this weekend,

983
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 5: and we'll just see how it plays out. And so

984
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 5: far this year, when they're in close games, it's gone

985
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 5: their way over and over and over. So underestimate them

986
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 5: at your own risks the way I feel.

987
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't disagree with you there. I think maybe

988
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: there were some Lions fans out there that probably took

989
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: them a little too lightly. I took them a little

990
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: too lightly. I thought the story was going to end.

991
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: I'll admit it going into last week kind of when

992
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: did you have a feeling? I do want to get

993
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: back to that Eagles matchup, but when did you have

994
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: a feeling during this season?

995
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: And how did you like learn this?

996
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: How did you know that maybe this team wasn't just

997
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: a good story, it was like a really good team

998
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: that there was something a little more.

999
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I want to be like fair like,

1000
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 5: I really didn't expect this until the season started to

1001
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 5: play out, and then it became, you know, because we're

1002
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 5: around it all the time, evident that this is a

1003
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 5: really special team. And I would say it was early

1004
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 5: that I thought that they would be a playoff teamer.

1005
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 5: More it was really Week three, Week four, they played

1006
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 5: Cincinnati on a Monday Night Week three. The Bengal were

1007
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 5: owned to at the time, they were getting t Higgins back.

1008
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 5: This was the first showcase game of this group. Washington

1009
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 5: was just one and one at that point, and they'd

1010
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 5: come off a game where they won a game with

1011
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 5: seven field goals no touchdowns because they couldn't score in

1012
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 5: the red zone, and they get there and nobody thinks

1013
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 5: they're going to win.

1014
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 4: You know.

1015
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 5: It was just very dismissive of them, since that Ni

1016
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 5: needed to win their rower and two at that point.

1017
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 5: Jame Daniels completed ninety percent of his throws and threw

1018
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 5: all the highlights we've had this year, what was my

1019
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 5: favorite one, which maybe because it's the first. This dime

1020
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 5: on a zero blitz to Terry McLaurin in crunch time.

1021
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 5: It was like foreshadowing the entire season. And I remember

1022
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 5: being in the locker room and asking, like Dan Quinn

1023
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 5: about you know, no one's paying any attention to this team.

1024
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 5: What they just did, though, is gonna, you know, open

1025
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 5: some eyes and you're gonna get a lot of attention.

1026
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 5: It happened on Monday Night football. Everyone saw it, and

1027
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 5: he said the first thing out of his mouth was

1028
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 5: don't get on the roller coaster, and he and he

1029
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 5: just he stabilized the whole group immediately. So they turn

1030
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 5: around and they got a short week. They're playing Arizona

1031
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 5: the week after. They never went home, they flew directly there.

1032
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 5: They stayed there the entire week. So the ownership allowed

1033
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 5: them to do this and they turned around. This is

1034
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 5: a chalked up loss for this team for years. You know,

1035
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 5: like short week, turnaround, west coast trip, you're going to lose.

1036
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 5: I don't care who they're playing. And the Cardinals at

1037
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 5: that point were playing really really competitively at that point,

1038
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 5: and they blew them out. And after that happened, I went, Okay,

1039
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 5: this is going to be an interesting secret for a

1040
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 5: little while. Let's see what happens. And as the season progressed,

1041
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 5: I was one of the ones come around it, yelling

1042
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 5: at the trade deadline be buyers, and they were. They're

1043
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 5: a special team, they got a special quality, they believe,

1044
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 5: and as time went on, every time they're in some

1045
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 5: kind of clutch situation, no team, not just Jaden, no

1046
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 5: team is handling these late game situations better than they

1047
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 5: are organizationally consistently, week after week after week, and this

1048
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 5: quarterback has the lowest blood I'm sure I've ever seen

1049
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 5: in my life on somebody of his experience level. I

1050
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 5: just believe in what they're doing. They believe in what

1051
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 5: they're doing, and frankly, like whenever anyone brings up and

1052
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 5: it happened again today. You probably played Dan Quinn's press

1053
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 5: conference where he was asked about being dismissed earlier. This

1054
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 5: is just a good story. They don't want to hear it,

1055
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 5: like they won twelve games when they won four a

1056
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 5: year ago. They don't want to hear it that this

1057
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 5: was a great season. They want a playoff game. They

1058
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 5: don't want to hear it. They're not ready for award season.

1059
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 5: They've put their head down and I just there is

1060
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 5: some kind of belief system that's going on in there,

1061
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 5: and it's hard to deny what they're capable of, because

1062
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 5: a they already beat the team that they're about to

1063
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 5: play this Sunday. So to sit there and go after

1064
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 5: what you've seen so far that they can't pull it

1065
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 5: off again, I think is being naive to what their

1066
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 5: capabilities are.

1067
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely great. Points.

1068
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: There's so much to get into there that you just

1069
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: said I'm so glad to have you on, and yeah,

1070
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: that Cardinals one was an eye opener and admitted I've

1071
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: been doubting because you have seen it. And the Cardinals

1072
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: had trashed the Rams a couple weeks before, they were

1073
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: competitive with the Lions, and that was the first sign

1074
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: that this Commander's team is very mature and they've shown

1075
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: it throughout these playoffs. Now, you mentioned that Eagles game,

1076
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: and these two games are interesting where Philadelphia did look

1077
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: a little more physical than them. Certainly when the Eagles

1078
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: offense is on the field, that's typical. The Eagles bully

1079
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people and Eagles fans listing will be like, yeah,

1080
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: but we lost we lost their quarterback during that game.

1081
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: We had a big lead in that game, and the

1082
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: only thing I would say about that is that Jaden

1083
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: Daniels did things to that Eagles defense late in that

1084
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: game that we just haven't seen throughout the rest of

1085
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: the season.

1086
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 3: And another thing that's interesting.

1087
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: If you really watch those two games, the Eagles couldn't

1088
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: run the ball for about six six and a half

1089
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: of those quarters. They ran the ball really well in

1090
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: the first matchup early and then after that on a

1091
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: down and down basis it was tough sledding. So looking

1092
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: back at that last time they played, like, what do

1093
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: you think could be different this time? You told a

1094
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: great story on your podcast how when you talked to

1095
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn leading up to the Lions game on the Friday.

1096
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: You get a chance to talk to him, and he

1097
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,479
Speaker 1: had a certain confidence and just the way he talked

1098
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: to you about it, you thought he was going to

1099
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: take away some things, goff I would do. I know

1100
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: you haven't talked to him this week and you wouldn't

1101
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: be able to tell me what he would say. But

1102
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: what do you think maybe would give him confidence about

1103
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: their defense?

1104
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 3: Maybe in this matchup?

1105
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: You know there's a.

1106
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 5: Couple of things here, and this is Quinn will not

1107
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 5: talk about this part because he just won't and I

1108
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 5: wouldn't either. But do we know how injured Jalen Hurts

1109
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 5: really is right now? Like, I don't think we know

1110
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 5: the answer to that, And I think it's a big,

1111
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 5: big part of this so early in the game on

1112
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 5: Sunday because Nick Syerian he's not gonnay anything about it. Neither

1113
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 5: is Jalen Hurts and I do expect him to play.

1114
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 5: Do they not call zone reads because he's not going

1115
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 5: to keep the ball. Do they not roll the pocket

1116
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 5: out because he doesn't have as much lateral movement as usual, They,

1117
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 5: as they did in that Rams game, not do a

1118
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 5: tush push, which is really unusual for them. Right, So,

1119
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 5: how injured he is is a really big part of

1120
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 5: what I think the defensive game plan would be. And

1121
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 5: then secondarily, like the Washington defense is getting better and

1122
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 5: better and better. They just got John Allen back, they

1123
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 5: needed help up the middle. Marshaun Lattimore played by far

1124
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 5: and not close, his best game since being acquired since

1125
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 5: the trade deadline, and he hadn't played very much because

1126
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 5: of the hamstring injury. But go watch the Lions game.

1127
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 5: How physical he was, how fast he was moving. This

1128
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 5: has been a problem for this team in this matchup,

1129
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 5: but is a problem with every t I mean, they're

1130
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 5: extremely difficult offense to defend with Saquan and DeVante Smith

1131
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 5: and ij Brown, but aj Brown specifically against This team

1132
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 5: has had matchups with the Manual Forbes or Benjamin Saint

1133
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 5: Jus and don't get into it with Commanders fans about

1134
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 5: what that's looked like the last couple of years. That's

1135
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 5: not this matchup this time Mike Sanders. Still, again, if

1136
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 5: this was a more above the radar team at this point,

1137
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 5: would be getting defensive Rookie of the Year consideration because

1138
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 5: of the way that he's matured and played throughout the season.

1139
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 5: Marshaw Lattimore now hopefully back up to speed Sea legs

1140
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 5: under him, they have a very different secondary. So if

1141
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, Jalen Hurts is not as much

1142
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 5: of a running threat as he's been, or not much

1143
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 5: of a running threat at all, well, I think defensively

1144
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 5: that's a very different matchup for the way Dan Quinn

1145
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 5: and Joe Wit can think about Saquon Barkley, who, to

1146
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 5: your point, they've handled well for periods of time, but

1147
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 5: still if you go look at the bottom line numbers,

1148
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 5: he's gutted them a few times enough to get at

1149
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 5: least one win and get them close to another one.

1150
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 5: So he's a problem for them. And then we talk

1151
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 5: about the other side of the ball too, which I

1152
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 5: think is more challenging honestly for Washington this time around.

1153
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: Interesting Before we do that, though, I do want to

1154
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: listen to another one of your cause, So let's go

1155
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: back actually to that Eagles game. If people don't remember,

1156
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: the Commanders are driving. They have under ten seconds to

1157
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 1: go to try to get the ball into the end zone.

1158
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 5: Second goal to ten snap, the Daniels Eagles break four

1159
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 5: in the middle of the end. The coroner amazing claunch

1160
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 5: football from the ones and.

1161
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: And all that.

1162
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 5: Don't again, dun't.

1163
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: This is absolutely up. Talk big about this. Shina Tiles,

1164
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: the magic, the cat, the cup up a half victory.

1165
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 5: Wanna fal wanna cat water.

1166
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

1167
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: Uh, London your your partner, London Fletcher is so good.

1168
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: There is something about being in a broadcast booth. I

1169
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: have to imagine it. Just it just seems like one

1170
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: of the best jobs in sports, Like the kind of

1171
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: connection to have those sort of moments that maybe a

1172
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: national broadcast couldn't have in the same way.

1173
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1174
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: I just that's more of a statement than a question.

1175
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: But what what is it like? How has it been

1176
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: in those you know, they've given you so many of

1177
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: these moments this year.

1178
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 5: This season's amazing. You know, I grew up in Washington,

1179
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 5: d C. I grew up going to RFK.

1180
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: This is my.

1181
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 5: Team, you know, and so getting the job five years

1182
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 5: ago to call the games I was only the third

1183
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 5: person to get it since nineteen seventy nine. So you know,

1184
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 5: it's a great privilege and honor just to have that

1185
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 5: position because it's rare that you get the opportunity to

1186
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 5: do it, and I was very fortunate for that. This

1187
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 5: year's a dream come true. We've had a Hail Mary.

1188
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 5: The team has never had one, unless apologies to Sami

1189
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 5: Ball or Studdy Jergen said if there's no video evidence

1190
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 5: of it, but we don't have one in the Bridgett's history.

1191
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 5: That happened this year and then up until this past week.

1192
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 5: Actually the game against the Lines was weird because the

1193
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 5: previous six games had all come down to the final

1194
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 5: play from scrimmage in one way or the other. That

1195
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 5: was the first one in a month and a half

1196
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 5: that we didn't have like a bite your nails moment

1197
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 5: at the end of it. And I've talked about this

1198
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 5: a lot, like they may because I think we have

1199
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 5: a very special quarterback, you know how this goes like,

1200
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 5: I think we're the start of a new era. This

1201
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 5: is the beginning in my opinion of like what's happening

1202
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 5: for them. But any subsequent year, no matter how this

1203
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 5: one finishes, no matter, you know, winning down the road

1204
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 5: or not winning down the road. I don't think any

1205
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 5: subsequent season is going to be like this. And then

1206
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 5: like put everything into context of how long it's been

1207
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 5: since they've gotten to this point, how long they've waited

1208
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 5: for a quarterback like this. It's generational, how long they've

1209
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 5: waited for the organizational structure to be something the whole

1210
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 5: fan base could believe in. It's why we're so joyous,

1211
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 5: like in the way that we're talking about it, because

1212
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 5: it started Greg honestly with some disbelief because we just

1213
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 5: haven't seen it like this in a long time, to

1214
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 5: completely falling in love because it was real, to joy

1215
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 5: ride to this is unbelievable. We're almost like we're almost

1216
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 5: like at a straight like you couldn't write a script

1217
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 5: like this, like the way that they're finishing every single game,

1218
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 5: and now they are trying to pull off what would

1219
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 5: be and it may already be, but it would be

1220
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 5: the greatest turnaround in the history of the NFL. I

1221
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 5: mean we're staring literally at history. No rookie quarterbacks ever

1222
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 5: started the Super Bowl before, so we're talking about changing history,

1223
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 5: certainly rewriting the franchise's history. But this will go down

1224
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 5: as one of the all time seasons for any team

1225
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 5: ever in the league's history if they pull this off.

1226
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely right. There aren't many comps. Of course,

1227
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,959
Speaker 1: RG three was a comp. You know, Dan Marino didn't

1228
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: get to play his whole rookie year, but that would

1229
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: have been a comp. But possibly ending it in the

1230
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. The way these games have ended is like

1231
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: unlike any other I can't let you get out of

1232
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: here unless you do have to go.

1233
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 3: I know you're busy.

1234
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: Without talking a little about Jane Daniels, I like what

1235
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: you said about just his maturity. It seems like the

1236
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: game is very slow for him and he gets through

1237
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: his reads really quickly. Just being able to observe him

1238
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: up close and then obviously from the booth, just what

1239
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: stands out to you, maybe on a personal level or

1240
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: even on the field, that maybe the average fan wouldn't know.

1241
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 5: So, I mean, just in this was evident early like

1242
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 5: he he never had a bad day, and he never

1243
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 5: looked like a rookie, like he never had a bad practice.

1244
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 5: And I remember back in OTAs when one of the

1245
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 5: coaches like pulled us aside and they were like, you

1246
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 5: got to see this. He didn't miss a throw in

1247
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 5: OTAs and they were like astounded. We had heard about

1248
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 5: his work ethic. He is the guy showing up at

1249
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 5: four or five in the morning, like doing the walkthroughs,

1250
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 5: going to Cliff Kingsbury's office, doing all the VR work

1251
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 5: that everybody's talked about. So he puts in the time.

1252
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 5: It really mattered to him. Obviously he's athletically gifted. When

1253
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 5: I watch like the highlights of You're showing now, like

1254
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 5: it's interesting, like he doesn't look like he's running that fast,

1255
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 5: but then he pulls away from people. I heard I

1256
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 5: think it was Chris Collinsworth who described he's like a

1257
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 5: slalom skier, Like all of a sudden, he's just going

1258
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 5: downhill and he's zipping by people and it's hard to describe.

1259
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 5: His game is so unique. But what we're really excited

1260
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 5: about coming in, like we knew he could run and

1261
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 5: he's really, you know, terrific athlete, is he's a he's

1262
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 5: a past first player, like he's a he's he's a

1263
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 5: throw first quarterback. And we've kind of described this as

1264
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 5: this is ground zero with him. We don't know where

1265
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 5: this is going to go from here, like he looks

1266
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 5: like he's going to be a special, special player for

1267
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 5: a long time, you know, with health. And then you know,

1268
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 5: add in how how much humility has he seems like,

1269
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 5: at least publicly ego less. We interview him, you know,

1270
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 5: for the broadcast after every game, and he will like

1271
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 5: shrug off and he questioned about this stuff like he

1272
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 5: does these things that only Pat Mahomes and Lamar Jackson

1273
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 5: and Josh Hallid are doing, and he just shrugs it

1274
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 5: off like, hey man, I'm just playing. And whether he

1275
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 5: thinks it's a big deal or not, he certainly doesn't

1276
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 5: let it on. His teammates love him, and it's it's really,

1277
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 5: I mean, he's he really is in every way, shape

1278
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 5: and form, the whole package and that it's really it's

1279
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 5: been a joy to get to cover him in year one.

1280
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 5: And we'll see where it goes from you know this

1281
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 5: from this weekend on let alone again. I don't, honestly, Greg,

1282
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 5: I would be surprised if they lose the.

1283
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 4: Literal power of.

1284
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 5: Belief that I have in what this group is. I

1285
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 5: don't know how they're going to do it, but it

1286
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 5: just it will actually literally be a not a shock

1287
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 5: because they're great. They're really Their roster is amazing, But

1288
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 5: just from what I've seen from start to finish and

1289
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 5: the way that they're already acting this week and the

1290
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 5: way they're talking about it like they don't want your

1291
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 5: parades or awards yet they're not ready for that, I

1292
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 5: know it was going to be close. That's what I

1293
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 5: know for sure. How it ends up, Like if we're

1294
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 5: not talking about going to the super Bowl, I'm actually

1295
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 5: gonna be surprised.

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Speaker 1: It's understandable, and you've convinced me at this point. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there is something more going on here, and it is

1298
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: amazing because Washington fans have for so long been a

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01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: sleeping giant, one of the best fan bases. You were

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01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: with the previous era. We don't need to go into that.

1301
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna say goodbye now, but for the dark times

1302
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: of the Dan Snyder era to be rewarded in this way.

1303
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: And now I'm sitting here as an analyst thinking the

1304
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: only other quarterback that I can remember covering that's made

1305
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: me think about this that oh wow, this guy is

1306
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: going to be such a huge part of my life,

1307
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: just as covering to nationally for the next decade plus

1308
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: our mahomes in his first was his first year starting,

1309
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: which was his second year in the league, and then

1310
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck which unfortunately it didn't quite work out that way,

1311
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: although he's a huge part of our lives what while

1312
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: he was around.

1313
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Speaker 3: And that's it.

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Speaker 1: It's a short list, and it's really cool to be

1315
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: at the beginning of that journey. So congratulations to my

1316
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: buddies Josh Jones and James Pittman and Bram Weinstein, my

1317
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: new buddy who has been a big part of this show.

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Speaker 1: Congrats because it's gonna be a fun ride that this

1319
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: guy takes you on on Sunday in the next decade.

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Speaker 5: Greg, thanks so much for having me on. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Bram, and we'll say goodbye to you by playing

1322
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: that call you mentioned, So we will hear from from

1323
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: Nick Wright talking a little bit of chiefs on the

1324
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: other side. But first we're gonna listen to Bram take

1325
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: us out with that Hail Mary call.

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Speaker 5: There's an eight deep for me with the goal on

1327
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 5: they bring free Daniel's backing up. He's just gonna have

1328
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 5: to let one fly.

1329
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 2: Goes to the right song that steps away from the defenders,

1330
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 2: gives himself some time now steps up, fires heads towards

1331
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: the end zone. It is.

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Speaker 1: All right, bringing in Nick Right. Already broke down the

1333
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: game a little bit. Ex's an O's style with Patrick Claybon,

1334
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: and now we're going to get Nick right. From the

1335
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 1: What's Right Show on YouTube. I see all those subscribers.

1336
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: It's been growing Nick Right. And of course, first things

1337
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: first on FS one since since we broke the game down,

1338
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: all smart now you can just come on and oh yeah,

1339
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: Ravens fans, Uncle Ravens fans.

1340
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Speaker 4: So first of all, I would like to give a

1341
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 4: tribute to you in an apology to the audience. The

1342
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 4: tribute to you is, I don't know, if people are

1343
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 4: watching on YouTube, they can see I'm wearing my official

1344
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 4: US Open jacket because fellow tennis die hard. Now, I

1345
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 4: don't know if you got up early for Djokovic Alcarez

1346
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 4: a couple days ago or I mean, now it was

1347
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 4: really early for you out west, but that was a classic.

1348
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 4: And the apology to the audience is this, even when

1349
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 4: you have great guests on like my and I'm not

1350
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 4: saying I am that, like my buddy Seth Payne in Houston,

1351
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 4: or I worked for with forever. I find myself, as

1352
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 4: a religious daily NFL daily listener a little bummed out

1353
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 4: when it's not you and the regular crew when I

1354
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 4: have and so I so again for people right now

1355
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 4: that are like, darn it, I wanted more of Jordan

1356
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 4: or Colleen or Patrick or Steve. I totally understand. I

1357
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 4: have name checked this podcast three times on the last

1358
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 4: five TV shows I've done. It has been a genuine

1359
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 4: a huge part of this NFL season. So I appreciate that,

1360
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 4: and I appreciate being now a two time guest. Is

1361
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 4: the second time on the show, so the and the

1362
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 4: first time on the show. I think one of my

1363
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 4: hot takes was that the Chiefs in the Super Bowl

1364
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 4: would be playing a rookie quarterback drafted in the top two.

1365
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 4: So I'm basically the rightest man in America. Now, I

1366
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 4: had said Caleb Williams, but I mean I could. I

1367
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 4: mean I still basically nailed that, potentially because.

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Speaker 3: I have to go back and watch that. I do know.

1369
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,839
Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was the AFC or NFC preview,

1370
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: but whichever preview, I must have been AFC with you.

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01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: I had the Bills in the Super Bowl, which means

1372
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: that needs to happen for me on Sunday. You've been

1373
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 1: kind of straddling the fence here saying that the Bills

1374
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: would be better than people thought this year, that they'd

1375
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Speaker 1: have a good season. Maybe they were the biggest challenge

1376
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs. So you're getting to win either.

1377
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 3: All year.

1378
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 4: They're the second best team in football. I straddling the fence.

1379
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 4: Here's the thing. And listen, I'm not a popular man

1380
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 4: in you know, sports media Twitter this week because well,

1381
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 4: we can get to it. We'll get to the Ravens

1382
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 4: piece of it, Lamar. I'm sure. But previous to this,

1383
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 4: I was never you know, people were like, oh, Nick right,

1384
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 4: well known Bills, and we talked to this in the

1385
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,560
Speaker 4: AFC Previews show. It's never a Bill's hater. It was

1386
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 4: always a Bill's truth thiller. And the truth this year

1387
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 4: demanded that to be told was They're gonna be really,

1388
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 4: really good and people are totally undervaluing that they have

1389
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 4: an awesome offensive line and Josh Allen, while maybe in

1390
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 4: the past a little overrated, came into this year a

1391
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 4: touch underrated, and yeah, this was the game that we

1392
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 4: were always going to get. I never I was.

1393
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 5: Rooting.

1394
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 4: You always want your picks to be right, and I

1395
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 4: bet the games. I know you obviously can't, and don't

1396
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 4: you want your bets to be right? But more than anything,

1397
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 4: I want the Chiefs to have the clearest possible path

1398
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl. So I was rooting for the

1399
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 4: Ravens Sunday night because the Chiefs would have dog walked

1400
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 4: that Ravens team. But instead we got like this Ravens team.

1401
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 4: All our smart friends that say two of the six

1402
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 4: best teams ever are last year's Ravens and this year's Ravens.

1403
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 4: They have my smartest friend, Bill Barnwell, who is could

1404
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 4: it made an ardent case that Lamar Jackson forget the

1405
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 4: regular season in the playoffs the last two years has

1406
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 4: been as good as Patrick Mahomes. Those folks that are

1407
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, I know they lose a third of

1408
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 4: their games, but I promise you their yards per player

1409
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,799
Speaker 4: are going to carry them to a championship. I wanted

1410
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 4: the Ravens, but instead we get a team that can

1411
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 4: beat the Chiefs. I don't think they will, but they

1412
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 4: can beat the Chiefs.

1413
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Speaker 1: It's funny you are you know you hadn't answered one

1414
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: of my questions. I was curious which one you would

1415
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: have rather have, and apparently, yeah, it was the Ravens.

1416
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: And it's not enough that the Ravens fans are all

1417
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: like dead on the side of the road.

1418
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 3: You got to beat him down.

1419
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean, these are false arguments in the way, because

1420
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: no one's really saying they're two of the six best

1421
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: teams of all time.

1422
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 3: I mean they just got there in DVOA.

1423
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that people are saying like, oh,

1424
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: this is definitely they were the third seed.

1425
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 6: Pea is the stat that Paull The smartest folks who

1426
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 6: cover football pray at the altar of you never hear

1427
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 6: like it's only idiots like me that are.

1428
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 4: Like, here's your record and here's your points scored and

1429
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 4: points allowed. Everyone that's smarter is like, no, no, no,

1430
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 4: this is where they rank in DVA. This is the

1431
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 4: only way to do it. And so that's that has

1432
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 4: told me that this all year long. This is what

1433
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 4: I heard. The Chiefs are the worst or one of

1434
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 4: the worst undefeated or one loss teams ever by DVOA,

1435
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 4: and the Ravens are the greatest five lost team in

1436
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 4: the history of football. And last year's Ravens was one

1437
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 4: of the greatest teams ever. And this is Ravens was two.

1438
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 4: I just I again, that's what the numbers say. And

1439
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 4: in the playoff games happen. And in the playoff game,

1440
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 4: the same thing happens every year that a lot of

1441
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 4: the folks who are swearing that Lamar Jackson is the

1442
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 4: best player in the NFL, or certainly had the best season,

1443
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 4: the Ravens lose, and in the autopsy, they're like, damn,

1444
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 4: maybe we shouldn't have given him the ball as much,

1445
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 4: Maybe we should have given it to the running and

1446
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,759
Speaker 4: it's just And then you hear from the opposing team

1447
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 4: and they say, here was our game plan, top the

1448
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 4: ball in Lamar Jackson's hands. It's just interesting. I just

1449
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:09,919
Speaker 4: find it interesting.

1450
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: It is, And I think the Chiefs actually got bad luck.

1451
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: They are accused of getting a lot of good luck.

1452
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 1: I think the officiating stuff has been way overblown, but

1453
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: I do think they got bad luck in getting the

1454
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: Bills matchup wise, I agree with you, and I think

1455
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: the Bills got lucky to get through that game because

1456
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: the Ravens moved the ball the entire game. The only

1457
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: time they stopped was they essentially stopped themselves, and I

1458
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: just think it's a matchup problem where the Bills can't

1459
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: play their brand of football exactly. They kind of have

1460
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,959
Speaker 1: to change what they do to play against the Ravens

1461
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: because they're just not big enough. And yet against the Chiefs,

1462
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: I think they've shown they can be more versatile. They

1463
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: match up fine, it's a very even matchup. I want

1464
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: you to answer for one of the most shocking developments

1465
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: that I feel like has been under talked about with

1466
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: the Chiefs in this entire run, which is that you

1467
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: took your team and just everything that's happened around him.

1468
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: The best quarterback I've ever seen enter of the league,

1469
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: the best quarterback I've personally ever seen Patrick Mahomes on

1470
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: a game to game basis, and by the time he

1471
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: is twenty nine years old, they've turned him into a

1472
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: relatively boring player. If you had told me a couple

1473
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: of years ago that Patrick Mahomes would be pretty like low,

1474
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, not top five on my

1475
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 1: entertainment scale on a week to week basis, I would

1476
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,879
Speaker 1: have been shocked, because this guy was electric.

1477
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 3: But the numbers do back it up.

1478
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: Not just that they're down in yards, but how they

1479
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: play football, their air yards are way down on a

1480
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: per throw basis. He went from a guy who goes

1481
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: deep all the time, top five in league to bottom five,

1482
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: like just dinking and dunking his big time throws, which

1483
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: is pff, you know, And I actually do think there

1484
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: is something too that in terms of just it matches

1485
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: up with what you think is an entertaining way to watch.

1486
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: Top five in the league. Now he's in like the

1487
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: bottom seven or eight. He's down with like the Drew

1488
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: Locks and the Teddy Bridgewaters and stuff like that, and

1489
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: he's getting hit a lot more.

1490
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 3: I think he knows about this. He wants to make

1491
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 3: big plays.

1492
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: He wants to move the ball down the field, so

1493
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 1: he's just holding on to the ball for a while,

1494
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: and he's taken more hits in more sacks than ever. Like,

1495
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: how did our Patrick Mahomes turn into like twenty eighteen

1496
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: Tom Brady by the time he was twenty nine.

1497
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I mean I think, and I'm not

1498
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 4: saying you're saying this, The idea that this is who

1499
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 4: he's going to be moving forward, I think is silly.

1500
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 4: And again that's what you're saying. I think that Patrick

1501
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 4: Mahomes earlier than any quarterback ever, earlier than Brady even did,

1502
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 4: because Brady actually knew this how to do this in

1503
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 4: the conservative direction, but wasn't able to do it in

1504
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 4: the but you know, game changing explosive play direction until

1505
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 4: later in his career, really seven, when he had the weapons.

1506
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, earlier in his career than any quarterback ever,

1507
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 4: learned how to win any way necessary. So they have

1508
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 4: Tyreek Kill, the most explosive downfield threat arguably in NFL history,

1509
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 4: and that is how they will play. The year they

1510
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 4: traded Tyreek Kill, when the Chiefs led the league in

1511
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 4: points yards and he won MVP, it was all dinks

1512
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 4: and dunks, go check the air. Yards. From the twenty

1513
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 4: twenty two season, he had I think twenty seven touchdowns

1514
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 4: to Tea.

1515
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 3: It's even significantly now, of course.

1516
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 4: So let's so so twenty twenty three he had basically

1517
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 4: an outright coup against him by his wide receivers like that.

1518
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 4: That was a weird situation that happened. And all year

1519
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 4: long they developed Rashi Rice and took the lumps of

1520
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 4: developing a rookie, so come the playoffs, he was one

1521
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 4: of the most potent web in the league. And then

1522
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 4: this year, in a league where you see teams totally

1523
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 4: absolutely submarined by a single offensive injury, you had a

1524
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 4: player who going into week five of the season did

1525
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 4: not have wide receiver, one wide receiver, two running back,

1526
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,799
Speaker 4: one wide receiver, four or five and the left tackle.

1527
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 4: They're on their fourth of the year, and so that

1528
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 4: the only way they were going to lose games was

1529
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 4: if he turned the ball over, which he was doing

1530
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 4: early in the year. So they changed. And while everyone's

1531
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 4: whining about the refs, the Chiefs just set the record

1532
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 4: all time NFL history for consecutive games without a turnover

1533
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 4: because with this coaching staff, this defense, and Patrick's ability

1534
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,799
Speaker 4: to play better than anyone on the high leverage downs

1535
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 4: like a great tennis player on the six points that

1536
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 4: decide a match, he knows, as long as I don't

1537
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 4: turn the ball over, we won't lose. Fun stat the

1538
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 4: last two years, the Chiefs are thirty four and one

1539
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 4: when they don't lose the turnover battle, and the one

1540
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 4: is the Week one against Detroit when it was they

1541
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 4: tied the turnover battle and one of the turnovers was

1542
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 4: a pick six, so that it might be two years.

1543
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 4: It might be three years. Again, I saw you looking

1544
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 4: in your head, like does the math work out? We

1545
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 4: put it on the show, but I'm not sure.

1546
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 3: I was trying to think of the game and yeah, no,

1547
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 3: it was.

1548
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 4: That it was Week one against Detroit last year. So

1549
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 4: I don't the You know, I'm not a Taylor Swift biographer.

1550
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 4: I don't know her full catalog, but I do know

1551
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 4: enough that eras is a big thing for her and

1552
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:02,600
Speaker 4: her fans. The Chiefs are in a win the goddamn

1553
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 4: game era and listen, Joe Burrow is in the look

1554
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 4: at how fancy my stats are at era and we'll

1555
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,919
Speaker 4: like that. That's I get it, and I think he's awesome.

1556
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, by the way, is in the exact same

1557
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 4: era as Mahomes. I don't care about what the numbers are.

1558
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 4: I don't care how if it's not a light show.

1559
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 4: We I am going to try to with treat every

1560
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 4: game as an individual animal and go win it. And

1561
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 4: I also think that the left tackle spot for the

1562
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 4: Chiefs has impacted Mahomes more than people would acknowledge, as

1563
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 4: far as his hesitation to really take a full drop

1564
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 4: and throw it downfield, and because of all those issues.

1565
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 4: That's why they've lost once in the last twenty two

1566
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 4: game season.

1567
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: I agree on the left tackle, and I do think

1568
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: that was a big difference the first game was that

1569
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: the Bills four men rush was better than the Chiefs

1570
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: pass rush in that game. And my Almos did turn

1571
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: it over right to start the game, and that was

1572
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: a huge play in that game.

1573
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 4: And last time he turned over, the last time the

1574
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 4: Chiefs had a turnover was the Bills game.

1575
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 3: That's crazy. That's just that. That's amazing. It's a little

1576
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 3: bit of it, a little luck.

1577
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean it's a lot of excellence. But here's

1578
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 4: the other thing I love about playoff football. Like so

1579
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 4: I and this is really really kind of inside baseball,

1580
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 4: so to speak. So Nico Remihio, who was a practice

1581
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 4: squad kid forever who got bumped up when Sky Moore

1582
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 4: went on went on ir and it has been their

1583
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 4: kick returner. So I've watched every play of this kid's career.

1584
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 4: He's electric, and every time he touches the ball, I'm like,

1585
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 4: please just kneel it, please just fair catch it. Because

1586
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 4: he was guaranteed to fumble in big spot, guaranteed because

1587
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:03,719
Speaker 4: of how he carries the ball, and he's always trying

1588
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 4: to do too much. And this is where football can

1589
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 4: be a cruel, unfair sport. I think the Chiefs got

1590
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 4: so lucky, not just that they recovered the fumble, but

1591
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 4: that he fumbled because here's my rationale that was going

1592
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 4: to happen. I felt it all year the way. I

1593
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 4: was like, man that he is. He's too loose with

1594
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 4: the ball. He now made the mistake and is either

1595
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 4: going to correct it or just do what I've been

1596
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 4: wanting to do, which is to just kneel the ball.

1597
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 4: And they got away with it. Like sometimes your huge

1598
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,480
Speaker 4: mistake that you have been kind of building up towards

1599
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 4: you get you know what I mean, you are able

1600
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 4: to overcome or there's nothing to overcome because samajip Ryan

1601
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 4: falls on it, and so all those little things have

1602
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 4: to happen. So I'm not acting like there hasn't been

1603
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 4: any luck involved here, but I just I think that

1604
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:07,480
Speaker 4: I am frustrated Greg that the Chiefs are now unjust objectively,

1605
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 4: no matter what happens on Sunday. This is tied for

1606
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 4: the greatest three year stretch in the history of professional football.

1607
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 4: Two Super Bowls in a conference Championship game. I guess

1608
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 4: you could argue the only thing better is the Dolphins,

1609
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 4: uh in in the Patriots.

1610
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 3: Patriots got two Super Bowls and made one too in

1611
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 3: the middle.

1612
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 4: Yes, but so I guess I'm looking at it from

1613
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 4: the perspective of with the three peat possible. There's been

1614
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 4: two teams that we're chasing a three peat and got

1615
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 4: this far. But okay, if we want to say the

1616
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 4: Pats in the sixteen, seventeen, eighteen and the Dolphins in

1617
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 4: the seventies, that's fine, but it is they're a win

1618
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 4: away from it being the greatest three year stretch ever,

1619
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 4: and they are two wins away from it being the

1620
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 4: greatest six year stretch ever. And the discussion all year

1621
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 4: has been what's wrong with them? And now the discussion

1622
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 4: is why is the league rigging it for him? And

1623
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 4: it's on the media.

1624
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: But you got to talk about the ball. That's what

1625
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: you love. You're right that it is history. I love

1626
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: football history and them going for a three beat and

1627
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 1: how well set up they are to do so. Obviously

1628
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: the best team in the regular season, and now with

1629
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: a home game in the ex Cham you you would

1630
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 1: think that would be dominating everything and yet everywhere it

1631
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: is funny everyone gets sick of winners.

1632
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 3: I don't feel like people were as sick.

1633
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: I was a Celtics fan, but as sick of even

1634
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: the Shaq Kobe Lakers at the time. But people complain

1635
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: about the refs for every great team. People thought the

1636
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,679
Speaker 1: Spurs got called. That's just it's just something that happens.

1637
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: But I am shocked that. I'm you know, scrolling around Twitter,

1638
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 1: Blue Sky, I forget which on Wednesday night, and I'm thinking,

1639
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 1: and there's like these polls of like who's more unlikable?

1640
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: The chiefs are the Patriots era, and people are going Chiefs.

1641
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: If you had told me that there's there's really not

1642
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: that much that's unlikable. They're trying to make Patrick Homes

1643
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: and Andy Reid unlikable. At least the Patriots. I wouldn't

1644
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: say they leaned into it, but they didn't. They didn't

1645
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: care about it, and they well they also got you know,

1646
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: they worried for cheating a couple of times. Like yes,

1647
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: Patriots fans, we try to be unlikable. It's like we like,

1648
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: we like that coming back at us. It is funny

1649
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 1: to me that they are at this point.

1650
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 4: That's the other thing. In the last thirty years, three

1651
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 4: teams have gone back to back, the ninety seven ninety

1652
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 4: eight Broncos. And I saw Mark Schlaer in the office

1653
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 4: yesterday and I reminded him of this. Who cheated They

1654
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 4: circummitted the salary cap. They got banged for it. It's

1655
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 4: not it's not a it's not an allegation. It was investigated,

1656
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 4: found guilty, banged the O three oh four Patriots, who

1657
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 4: then shortly thereafter got banged for Spikey Again. You can

1658
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 4: say that's unfair, whatever it is. The league did an.

1659
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 3: Investigation, the people knew about it. That was later though,

1660
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 3: that was.

1661
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 4: Okay, Oh sure, so maybe the scandal's coming city I

1662
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 4: don't know. And then the chiefs who like the and

1663
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 4: you're right, people fans always complain about the winners. You

1664
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 4: don't normally hear so many credible media members lending credence

1665
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 4: to the idea that there's one set of rules. And

1666
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 4: this is I guess the power of the media and

1667
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 4: you it's one of the reasons this is a great show.

1668
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 4: You were one of the only people I heard this

1669
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 4: weekend make what I thought was objectively a correct point,

1670
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 4: which was there was one call this weekend that was

1671
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 4: horrendous and you could argue truly game changing, and it

1672
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 4: was the DPI in Bill's Ravens and that was the one.

1673
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 4: Like the Jared Goff one was brutal, but I to

1674
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 4: me that wasn't game changing because it would have been

1675
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 4: Washington ball in the twenty they're moving the ball anyway.

1676
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 4: That DPI right before halftime might have changed that entire game.

1677
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 4: The broadcast glossed over it, probably too much, but they

1678
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 4: didn't do a one hour autopsy on it, like my

1679
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 4: friends Bucket Aikman did on the penalties on the Chiefs,

1680
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 4: and then you just moved on and nobody cared, and

1681
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 4: that's just that stuff is frustrated.

1682
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: Well, Lamar I finally rewatched that Lamar got out. The

1683
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 1: out of bounds on the All twenty two is even

1684
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 1: more egregious. I mean it's a fifteen yeard penalty. I

1685
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 1: think they scored on that drive anyways, Am I wrong?

1686
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: But either way, that was like an egregious, egregious miss call.

1687
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: You do follow this team closely, you're known for you

1688
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: know your takes, but you're you're a ball not noer.

1689
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: That's why I respect you on top on top of

1690
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 1: everything else.

1691
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 3: I mean that hair.

1692
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how about this talk about you know, comeback player.

1693
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 4: Of the Year and Nick Oh my god, every we

1694
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 4: talked on this on the last thing I just used

1695
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 4: to my head America.

1696
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: Sorry, all right, but wait, what is better that the

1697
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: average fan doesn't know about this twenty four team? Because

1698
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 1: I always did agree with Belichick when he would be

1699
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: talking about this team. Is there last team? Every team

1700
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: really does have its own character, and this team is

1701
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: quite different than twenty three? What is do you think

1702
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: better about this twenty four team than previous versions in

1703
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: last year?

1704
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 3: Especially?

1705
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 4: Okay, so that that's a great it's a great question.

1706
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 4: So last year they had a better back end of

1707
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 4: the defense. This sneed was there, but this Chief's back

1708
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 4: end was on par with that until Jalen Watson broke

1709
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 4: his ankle and that was the they fell off a

1710
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 4: cliff in the secondary. After that, because Jalen Watson broke

1711
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 4: his ankle, their third corner was also injured. And then

1712
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 4: you have McDuffie, who's unreal and maybe the only underrated

1713
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 4: player on the team, and I don't even know if

1714
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 4: he's underrated. And then guys that you just get you

1715
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 4: watch the highlights of the first matchup between the Bills,

1716
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 4: and what you're gonna see is the back of Nazi

1717
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 4: Johnson's jersey in a lot of them just getting cooked.

1718
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 4: And so but Jalen Watson being back now has you know,

1719
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 4: buttressed that his first game back was the Houston game.

1720
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 4: But the Chiefs pass rush is better this year right

1721
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 4: now than it was now. The numbers won't back that

1722
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 4: up at all over the course of the season, but

1723
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 4: that's because Charles Lamena, who blew his ACL in the

1724
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 4: AFC Championship game and wasn't back for the first dozen

1725
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 4: weeks of the season and just now really got back

1726
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 4: to himself. But you have you obviously have Carloftis, who

1727
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 4: feasted on a tight end. He's a good player. He's

1728
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 4: not a three sack in a playoff game level good,

1729
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,759
Speaker 4: but he got it. A Mina who Mike Dana, who's

1730
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 4: a good player. And the kid, you know, first round

1731
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:45,719
Speaker 4: pick from a couple of years ago that hasn't really

1732
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 4: hit Phoenix Felix. I'm gonna mispronounce his last name, so

1733
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 4: I don't want to do it. But Fau or his initials,

1734
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 4: who had six plays against the Texans, but one sack,

1735
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 4: one TfL. They can rotate those guys in and they

1736
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 4: have really versatile linebackers in Tranquil Chanal, who is the

1737
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 4: best kick blocker in the league. I guess blocked the

1738
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 4: extra point in the Super Bowl, blocked the field goal

1739
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 4: against the Texans, and then obviously Nick Bolton. And so

1740
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 4: you just can't run on this team. I know that

1741
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 4: sounds dumb, because Joe Mixon just did. It's one of

1742
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 4: the reasons that I think the It's why I wanted

1743
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 4: the Ravens, and it's also why I think the Bills.

1744
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 4: And it is a tough matchup for the Bills because

1745
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 4: if you look at how many of Chiefs were out

1746
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,879
Speaker 4: with injury for that game. Now I know they didn't Milano.

1747
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 4: You have a lot of guys who are back this

1748
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 4: game that weren't there. And you have bet that the

1749
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 4: Chiefs did not play their real Bills game plan in

1750
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 4: that game. Trent mcduffy did not cover Khalil Shakir one snap.

1751
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 4: I bet he's on him every snap. I don't think

1752
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 4: James Cook is gonna get going. And it's listen, the

1753
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 4: reason I can feel that way and feel like and

1754
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 4: I haven't seen the injury report from Wednesday yet. The

1755
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 4: rap and Toron Johnson injuries are massive, right, Like if

1756
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 4: those two guys, if both of those guys are out,

1757
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 4: the bills have are cooked. If one of them's out,

1758
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 4: they'll they'll they should you know, be okay ish. I

1759
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:15,839
Speaker 4: think the Chiefs are gonna be able to move the football.

1760
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 4: And I say all that and still think, listen, the

1761
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:24,520
Speaker 4: Chiefs could lose because Josh Allen is a great player.

1762
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 4: And this is Listen, the Chiefs season starts and in

1763
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 4: Sunday they were always getting to the AFC Championship game

1764
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 4: and if they win it, they win the Super Bowl,

1765
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 4: like and so the that's it. And if Josh Josh

1766
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 4: Allen at one point will beat Kansas City in the playoffs,

1767
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 4: I don't. I really hope it's not this year because

1768
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 4: the three beat is so special. And I think Kelsey

1769
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 4: might retire. He has said he won't.

1770
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: I think he can some I'm feeling some caution here.

1771
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: It's not the usual total total cos.

1772
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 3: This is good.

1773
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: And does that mean you're putting less money on it?

1774
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: Before I do?

1775
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 3: Let you go, I know you got to you got

1776
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 3: your shows today.

1777
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: How do you how do you possibly have so much

1778
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 1: invested emotionally in these games? And then and then know

1779
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 1: that you're gonna be, you know, on air the next

1780
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 1: the next day. At least you don't have to do

1781
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: it that night, but you're on air the next day.

1782
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to live with it on your show

1783
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: basically every day for six months. And then on top

1784
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:35,600
Speaker 1: of that, it sounds like you put an unhealthy or

1785
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: just not unhealthy, just a lot, a copious amount of

1786
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 1: money on top of that.

1787
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 3: Don't you feel enough already before that?

1788
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,560
Speaker 4: Isn't that just yet?

1789
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 3: I want to put myself in your shoe.

1790
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 4: Realize how how foolish I would feel if during a

1791
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 4: stretch of football where my team wins every Super Bowl,

1792
01:30:58,160 --> 01:30:59,759
Speaker 4: if I wasn't betting on them.

1793
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 1: Like that, I mean probably been very very profitab it's

1794
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,440
Speaker 1: been incredibly profitable.

1795
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 4: And people are like, Nick, how are you going to

1796
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 4: you know, feel if they lose? And the answer is,

1797
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 4: I don't remember, Like I don't know, we'll find out together.

1798
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 4: Like the the the people can be annoyed and they

1799
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 4: be like, guys, whatever it.

1800
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 3: Is, they've they've lost plenty. They lost to the Patriots,

1801
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 3: they lost to the Bengals. They lost.

1802
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that I mean, I don't know, yes, and

1803
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 4: thank you, you know what. I love that you just

1804
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 4: did that because in Patrick Mahomes's entire career, you just

1805
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 4: summed up the three losses. That's it. You did it

1806
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 4: in eight seconds. They lost to the Patriots, they lost

1807
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 4: to the Bucks, they lost to the Bengals. That's the list.

1808
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 3: And so.

1809
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 4: I I do have an affection for Bills fans, even

1810
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 4: though so many of them don't like me. You know,

1811
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 4: Kansas City is not a tiny town, but it's not

1812
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 4: a big market and it's and so there is some

1813
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 4: real you know, what's the word brotherhood's too strong, But

1814
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 4: I you know, I appreciate them and I like them,

1815
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna sound like someone that's trying to prove

1816
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 4: they're not a racist. Some of my best friends are

1817
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 4: Bills fans, and so uh I so the if anyone's

1818
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 4: going to beat the Chiefs, it probably should be them.

1819
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 4: I just don't think it's gonna be this year. And

1820
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 4: I think that we are going to at some point

1821
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 4: this offseason, we as a collective media are going to

1822
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 4: look back and say, hey, the two time defending champion

1823
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 4: that had literally the best record in football all year

1824
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 4: that the smart People's stats and the Vegas odds said

1825
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 4: was a good not great team. Did they just get

1826
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 4: hot again? Or do we need to maybe tweak some

1827
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 4: of our smart people algorithms because we can't quite quantify

1828
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 4: football like we do baseball, but.

1829
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: We know that we know that. I, like everyone, everyone

1830
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 1: admits that that that the al No one is claiming

1831
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,879
Speaker 1: that the numbers can tell you tell you everything.

1832
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:29,560
Speaker 4: Greg, You're not claiming that, Greg. This is again I

1833
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 4: I to going on too long, but I the the

1834
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 4: next person that I have to listen to talk about

1835
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 4: playoff career being a small sample size, small sample sized

1836
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 4: sport folks, and if one team and one player keeps

1837
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 4: coming through in those small sample sizes, maybe maybe it's

1838
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 4: not quite as predictive as we would like. I'll give

1839
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 4: you a score prediction. I haven't done this yet. I'm

1840
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 4: uh the so, and I probably won't do it on

1841
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 4: TV until Friday, but I love this pod so much.

1842
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 4: You guys have it first. I actually don't think it's

1843
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 4: I think nothing would be better than this fugazy no

1844
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 4: one's ever heard of this stat before. It could be

1845
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 4: used against the Chiefs. You know they the Patriots and

1846
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 4: the Raiders are the only teams not to score thirty

1847
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 4: one points all year. I saw that full screen one

1848
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 4: hundred times on TV. They scored thirty a couple, but

1849
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 4: never thirty one. Thirty one twenty four Kansas City they

1850
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 4: scored thirty one for the first time all year.

1851
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 3: By seven by seven.

1852
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 1: Okay, I love it, Nick, right, of course, yes, check

1853
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 1: out the YouTube show. It's great. It's a podcast as well.

1854
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: Nick does it with his son. It's at What's Right Show.

1855
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 1: And then of course first things first on FS one,

1856
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: he's headed there three pm Eastern every day.

1857
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 3: Thank you, Greg, Nick right.

1858
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 4: I know you think that I'm arguing against Strawman. I

1859
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 4: know you feel that I don't.

1860
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 1: I would tell you if I think that, like that

1861
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 1: one little bit at the beginning occasionally where that like

1862
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,640
Speaker 1: people say it's the sixth best team about the people

1863
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:11,599
Speaker 1: blay Aaron shats not really they were like one point

1864
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 1: favorites last week.

1865
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 3: But I get it.

1866
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: You want to you want to break our producer Eric's

1867
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,799
Speaker 1: heart and all the bills fan and his young beautiful

1868
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 1: baby boy who brought a Dodger.

1869
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 4: I tell you already said good bye. I have to

1870
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 4: tell you this and then I'll leave because you said break.

1871
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 4: So one of my good close friends, Brent Hanks, who

1872
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 4: does a commentary for poker and helps run Poker Go

1873
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 4: his His Twitter handle is at Buffalo Hanks. He's a

1874
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 4: he's from Buffalo, Diron Buffalo fan. So I called. I

1875
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 4: facetimed him right after they won, and he has a

1876
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 4: house full of people. He's a lunatic. He's wearing one

1877
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 4: of those giant fake chains with like a Bill's logo.

1878
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:53,879
Speaker 4: He's a big jersey, all of it. And there's eight kids,

1879
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 4: none older than eight years old, all decked out in

1880
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 4: Bill's gear. And I say to him, like, hey, turn

1881
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 4: the camera ound so I can talk to him. He's

1882
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,839
Speaker 4: like okay, So I turn around. I'm like, hey, kiss

1883
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 4: I really I was like, I hope. I know you

1884
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 4: guys are young, but I really hope this is like

1885
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 4: a core memory, Like this is one of the coolest

1886
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 4: things you with your dad and your uncles and everyone

1887
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 4: watching your team. And I really hope you cherish it

1888
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 4: because next week you're all gonna be primed. I taught

1889
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 4: in children, I taught in small children about this Bill's

1890
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:29,679
Speaker 4: Chiefs game. Let's go Championship week. Thank you Greg, Nick.

1891
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 3: Right, everybody, thanks Nick.

1892
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily and yeah, thanks to Graham and Nick.

1893
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Those are great. I loved what Nick said to me.

1894
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:48,719
Speaker 1: I don't think he would he would mind me sharing

1895
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 1: something he said on texts that he feels like he

1896
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 1: knows Patrick Claybahan and Jordan Rodrigue and Nick Shook just

1897
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: from listening to the show.

1898
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 3: And he likes it when it's it's the color group.

1899
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 3: I like that.

1900
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like that and all of that. None

1901
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 2: of that will be possible without Greg Rosenthal making everybody

1902
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 2: so comfortable to come on and be on this show

1903
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 2: and be themselves. So all credit goes to Nancidama, right.

1904
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 1: No credit, But I do like for these big games

1905
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 1: kind of bringing in these voices, especially one that you know,

1906
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 1: we've been listening to all year, so I want their

1907
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: teams and really looking forward, by the way, to our

1908
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:29,600
Speaker 1: our super Bowl coverage in a couple weeks. Jordan Rodrigue

1909
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: will be down in New Orleans with me, so really

1910
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 1: looking forward to that. Shook will be there as well,

1911
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 1: covering the game for dot Com. Yes, we'll definitely get

1912
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: him on the podcast. All right, before we go I

1913
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 1: know this is a monster show, but hey, there's no

1914
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,720
Speaker 1: Saturday show this week, so you know you can luxuriate

1915
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 1: in this.

1916
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, turn this, turn this thing down to one X.

1917
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 1: Take take a break from your David Lynch appreciation Inland

1918
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 1: Empire and Mulholland Drive and Blue Velvet. If I don't

1919
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 1: know if you know people out there just doing David

1920
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 1: Lynch movie A thons, this is a nice little break.

1921
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 3: A little later. I love me some Maholland Drive.

1922
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,679
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the news, and there's been a lot

1923
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 1: we'll go through this. I would just want to start

1924
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 1: with Aaron Glenn because we talked about Aaron Glenn on

1925
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 1: the previous show as if he was going to get

1926
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: the head coaching job, and he did Patrick, but I

1927
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 1: kind of sweated it out because they let him out

1928
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 1: of the building. They said they didn't want to let

1929
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 1: him out of the building. He got out of the building,

1930
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: people were concerned, oh you know, they're blowing it again.

1931
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:31,640
Speaker 1: And it took like an extra twenty four hours, but

1932
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 1: that's how contract negotiations work sometime, and it ultimately got

1933
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 1: it done. So I'm happy for him because it, by

1934
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 1: all accounts, is really the job he really wanted.

1935
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 3: And they really wanted him, and so I.

1936
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 1: Just hope for them that it works out better than

1937
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 1: Robert Salad, which I thought was a great hire. Even

1938
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 1: in retrospect, I don't think it's a bad higher. And

1939
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 1: yet you know it didn't work out.

1940
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 2: And the thing that makes me less concerned is I

1941
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 2: don't think Aaron Glynn would have taken the job without

1942
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 2: seeing that there was that there was a structure and

1943
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,599
Speaker 2: a plan and a process for how this was going

1944
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 2: to work, because that's that's how this entire operation has

1945
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 2: worked in Detroit on the defensive side, with him making

1946
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 2: the calls, and so that's it. I am concerned, right,

1947
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 2: I would. I would prefer he gets into a situation

1948
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 2: that that looks a little bit better starting. But I

1949
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 2: felt the same way about Coach Ryan's taking that job

1950
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 2: in Houston. And we've saw we've seen all the success

1951
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 2: that they've had coming through that turmoil. The turnarounds as evidence,

1952
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 2: so by the past couple of years do not take

1953
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 2: that long. And so here's an opportunity. There's only so

1954
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:36,640
Speaker 2: many of these jobs.

1955
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:38,600
Speaker 3: On the planet. Just got to find CJ. Stroud. You

1956
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 3: got to find your.

1957
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 2: CJ Stroud good Jaydon daniels. You know, it's very easy,

1958
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:43,759
Speaker 2: very simple.

1959
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: But he has a lot of talent on defense and

1960
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: in enough on offense for a team that's rebuilding to

1961
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 1: win quickly.

1962
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely fair.

1963
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 2: Here's one big question.

1964
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that this from the sound of it,

1965
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the staff is going to

1966
01:39:59,960 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: be good. We'll see about the Aaron Rodgers of it all.

1967
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 1: A couple other items. Josh McDaniels in the mix, he's back.

1968
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 2: How do you feel? Don't don't ask me? How do

1969
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 2: you not good?

1970
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 3: I just feel like it's old, Like this is all

1971
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 3: we can do is go back to this.

1972
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 1: I think he was an unreal coordinator to be paired

1973
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady. Now, how many people could have done that? Like, yeah,

1974
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 1: tom Brady right, tom Brady was obviously the key part

1975
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 1: of that equation. But he made it happen with Tom Brady,

1976
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: and it even made it happen with the backups that

1977
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:41,760
Speaker 1: were in there during that era.

1978
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,640
Speaker 3: And so I think he did an excellent job. But

1979
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:46,040
Speaker 3: is he is he like next?

1980
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 4: You know?

1981
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 1: I like the idea of like what's next, Liam Cohen,

1982
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: What's what's cutting edge? Is Josh McDaniels that for Drake May,

1983
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 1: we'll see. It just feels like they didn't have any ideas,

1984
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 1: And I want to be wrong because I want this

1985
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 1: to work. I don't want I want Patriots, you thought

1986
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 1: Rabel and mcdeanna. It's like, I think they'll be fine.

1987
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 1: They'll definitely raise the floor quite a bit, and it's

1988
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,320
Speaker 1: going to be a better situation than it was last

1989
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:15,280
Speaker 1: year on offense. So fine with it, But I don't

1990
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:16,720
Speaker 1: know what the other options would have been.

1991
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:18,839
Speaker 2: During his run as the head coach, an offensive cordator,

1992
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 2: he had top ten offenses twelve times. All those were

1993
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 2: in New England. They did have a pretty good offense

1994
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. Josh Jacobs ran for sixteen hundred yards.

1995
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 2: They were playing from behind a lot. Derek Carr had

1996
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 2: thirty five hundred yards passing, So you know something.

1997
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 3: Like that, didn't He get fired pretty early in that season.

1998
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now he got fired the next year, the next

1999
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 2: but they'll always have twenty twenty two.

2000
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 4: No.

2001
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 1: I think he's a really good game planner and that's

2002
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 1: all yes to do. He doesn't have to be the

2003
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:49,919
Speaker 1: head coach. They also are hiring Terrell Williams, the Detroit

2004
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 1: Lions defensive line coach as their defensive coordinator. So that's

2005
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 1: a good hire, someone who's familiar with Rabel. He had

2006
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 1: worked with Rabel in Tennessee. And so the Lions just

2007
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:04,800
Speaker 1: keep losing guys. They could lose their offensive line coach

2008
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:07,799
Speaker 1: Hank Freeley too, who has interviewed for some coordinator jobs.

2009
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 1: We'll see the Bucks are not losing Liam Cohen. I'm

2010
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 1: really happy that this is working out. He is pulling

2011
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 1: out of the Jaguars head coaching search after some buzz

2012
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 1: that he was perhaps the favorite, and he decided he

2013
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:25,679
Speaker 1: wanted to stay with the Bucks on a new contract,

2014
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 1: which must pay him more money and he gets to

2015
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 1: work under Todd Bowles and staying with Baker Mayfield and

2016
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 1: not keep moving around. He had like new jobs almost

2017
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 1: every year lately. And here's for sticking with the job

2018
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 1: that you like. It's not always green arou on the

2019
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 1: other side, just because it's like more power necessarily.

2020
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there may have been some particular spots on

2021
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:49,600
Speaker 2: that grass that made Liam Cohen make the decision to

2022
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:52,839
Speaker 2: stay on the opposite side on the Gulf.

2023
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 1: By tread balkis Okay, so that's part of it. I

2024
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: guess we should do these combined. Yeah, they fired Baki today.

2025
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:01,839
Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy because he pulled out of the job,

2026
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 1: and the reporting round it was that Trent Balki's presence

2027
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 1: with the Jaguars was one of the reasons that Liam

2028
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 1: Cohen might have pulled out of that job, and within

2029
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 1: hours the Jaguars in announced that they parted ways with

2030
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:16,759
Speaker 1: Trent Balki.

2031
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 3: Do you think Liam Cohen got Trent Balkie fired. I

2032
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 3: think it's kind of crazy.

2033
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 2: Because it's very difficult to read in the statements. I

2034
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 2: remember right on the post Doug Peterson firing news conference

2035
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 2: where it was shot con on one side of the

2036
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 2: screen with Trent balky on the other side, and there

2037
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 2: was a question of so, mister Khan, now that the

2038
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 2: football side of this operation has gone, who do you

2039
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 2: communicate with about football? And it's like, well, it's Trent,

2040
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:45,760
Speaker 2: And then he talked about a bunch of other people

2041
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,559
Speaker 2: that were no longer there. It seemed like Trent was

2042
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:51,640
Speaker 2: the one voice right, and in the statement it was

2043
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 2: we both arrived at the conclusion that it is our

2044
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 2: mutual best effort, it's interest to respectfully separate, effective immediately.

2045
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 2: So if it. If it wasn't a mutual decision, would

2046
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 2: it be disrespectfully separating. At a certain point.

2047
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 1: I read this statement and shod Con goes out to say,

2048
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:13,240
Speaker 1: leaves with my deepest appreciation for his efforts over the

2049
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: last five seasons. I just read it as this was

2050
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 1: a move shod Con didn't want to make, and he

2051
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 1: just was compelled eventually to make it because enough people,

2052
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 1: maybe inside but maybe outside the building, we're making it

2053
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 1: clear to him that this was not a good way

2054
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 1: to continue running his team. And this is all speculation

2055
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 1: for me, but we just saw him do a press

2056
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 1: conference with Trent Balki, supporting Trent Balki, and the way

2057
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: this it almost sounds a little bit to me like

2058
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:50,080
Speaker 1: the famous Mickey Loomis statement after they fired Dennis out.

2059
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 3: It's almost like I didn't really.

2060
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:54,760
Speaker 1: Want to hire fire Trent Balkis, but finally I was

2061
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 1: sort of compelled to by the the audience, maybe the

2062
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 1: maybe people outside the Jaguars even that it's making it

2063
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:06,440
Speaker 1: clear that this organization is not looked upon as attractively

2064
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 1: because of the structure that we have.

2065
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 2: Well, when you do have people outside of the organization

2066
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 2: coming in and it's not just us having these discussions,

2067
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 2: you're trying to hire a hit coming and so repeatedly,

2068
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:21,720
Speaker 2: if Sha Khan gets in spaces where Trent Malky is

2069
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 2: not there and he says, hey, what are we missing,

2070
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:26,519
Speaker 2: Like what makes this job? It's like, well, well that guy,

2071
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:28,960
Speaker 2: you know, we could do this. And eventually you have

2072
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 2: these conversations and shots. Mister Cohn's probably thinking, well, if

2073
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:36,679
Speaker 2: we're diminishing Trent's role so much to make this thing,

2074
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:39,639
Speaker 2: then why is he Why would he be here anyway?

2075
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 2: And good call, and it was one of the reasons

2076
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 2: he said for retaining him at that news conference after

2077
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 2: they fired Doug Peterson was you know, we have all

2078
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 2: of this process in evaluation, not just in terms of

2079
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 2: the draft, but free agency, all of that preparation. We

2080
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,200
Speaker 2: don't want to just throw that away. So now they've

2081
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 2: waited two and a half weeks and now that's all through.

2082
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 1: They've got Ethan uh Wah as the interim general manager, and.

2083
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 2: Ethan was probably doing all the work anyway.

2084
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:09,479
Speaker 3: Hey, now let's be we know.

2085
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:13,679
Speaker 2: I'm just saying if he's there. You know, sometimes sometimes

2086
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 2: the guy calling the shots isn't isn't necessarily plowing the

2087
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 2: fields of water and things.

2088
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:23,719
Speaker 1: Wow, let's ethan wah like a relation to Evelyn Wah.

2089
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 3: Maybe back in the day.

2090
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 1: Shout out to Brideshead revisited one of the underrated novels

2091
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 1: of all time.

2092
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:33,520
Speaker 3: It's not even underrated, it's highly highly rated. Uh.

2093
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: Let's wrap up the GM news with the Bucks assistant

2094
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:42,560
Speaker 1: GM John spy Tech getting the job with the Raiders.

2095
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:44,599
Speaker 3: Make your spy tech joke.

2096
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:47,559
Speaker 2: Let's let's know. I just I think it's cool that

2097
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 2: Tom Brady had a teammate in college, uh and has

2098
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 2: maintained a relationship his entire career, and now he's he's

2099
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 2: the new GM of the team. That Brady just purchased

2100
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,640
Speaker 2: his think in and his name is spy Tech. I

2101
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 2: think that is great. Shout out to the writers of

2102
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 2: Regality for making all of this possible for me particularly.

2103
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It is too it's too easy. It's

2104
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,680
Speaker 3: too easy. It is.

2105
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:20,520
Speaker 1: It is really amazing that it's Brady's teammate that supposedly

2106
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:22,840
Speaker 1: the day after Brady met with Mark Davis, then they

2107
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:25,720
Speaker 1: fired Tom Telesco and now they hire his teammate, and

2108
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:28,799
Speaker 1: that all would you know, be worth giggling about or whatever.

2109
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:32,320
Speaker 1: But man, I gotta say in quote unquote league circles,

2110
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 1: people love them some Giant John Spytech Uh. He was

2111
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 1: on Jordan rud Rieg's podcast, first Graduate of the Playmakers

2112
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 1: GM interviews that that you know, not her interviews. Uh,

2113
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 1: to assist with assistant gms. Primarily that gets a head job.

2114
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:54,280
Speaker 1: He really has an excellent reputation around the NFL as

2115
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:56,240
Speaker 1: as a as a guy that was probably going to

2116
01:47:56,280 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 1: be a future GM, and so more power to him.

2117
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 1: Good for the Raiders, we'll see who they hire as

2118
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 1: head coach. And wrapping up the news with the big

2119
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 1: head coaching higher of the week. I know we already

2120
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: talked about Ben Johnson, but I was so taken by

2121
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 1: his press conference. I was sold. All that doubt I

2122
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 1: had just the day ago, it's gone. He won the

2123
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 1: press conference. That's the most important thing. Part of the

2124
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 1: reason he won is just the love that he had

2125
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 1: and the belief in his new team, the Chicago Bears.

2126
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 7: Going into this season, I felt like this place was

2127
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 7: a sleeping giant. I personally was more concerned about the

2128
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 7: Chicago Bears than was anybody else in this division.

2129
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:39,559
Speaker 3: Like, what was it about the Bears?

2130
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:44,519
Speaker 7: I Well, personally, we struggled with that defense here for

2131
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:47,679
Speaker 7: both games that we played them in twenty twenty three. Okay,

2132
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 7: so that was a huge deal was knowing that as

2133
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:56,719
Speaker 7: much as I struggle staying up at night trying to

2134
01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:59,640
Speaker 7: attack this defense, I knew what that was capable of.

2135
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 7: And seeing all the weapons that they have on offense

2136
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:05,599
Speaker 7: here was really really encouraging.

2137
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 1: At first, I thought thought that was kind of shots

2138
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:09,799
Speaker 1: fired to the to the other teams in the division,

2139
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 1: Packers and Vikings. But then when he spoke about it,

2140
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:16,360
Speaker 1: he's just talking specifically defense, that that Iberflus defense.

2141
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 3: I can give you problems. You seem doubtful of my

2142
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 3: best my knw Benjom, Well, it's just vacation.

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Speaker 2: The working the Iberfoos play praise into there kind of

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Speaker 2: threw me off. You don't know what I was about

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Speaker 2: to say. Forever it always shots him at Aberflus. But

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Speaker 2: it's twofold, right, because this whole this this rendition of

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Speaker 2: the Lions, which I hope gets more credit despite not

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Speaker 2: having the success that I think they deserve to have

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Speaker 2: in the postseason these past couple of years. Uh, getting

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Speaker 2: two head coaches hired off of this staff, probably a

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Speaker 2: year late for both of them, and Ben Johnson being

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Speaker 2: able to do both things there to take shots at

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Speaker 2: the Vikings as well as the Packers, which is always

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Speaker 2: going to play well in Chicago, but also to be

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Speaker 2: completely honest in his evaluation of things and not like

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Speaker 2: tie it up in raw raw whatever not to say

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Speaker 2: like Dan kempll everything he said in his opening press conference,

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Speaker 2: He meant, that's the mentality of the team and the

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Speaker 2: way they've approached things. And you get to see some

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Speaker 2: of that honesty in Ben Johnson to the way it's

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Speaker 2: not gonna be the same. It's going to be different

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Speaker 2: because it should be. But it all starts from a

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Speaker 2: standpoint of how do we approach the circumstances that we're

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Speaker 2: in because they always change depending on the opponent. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's a perfect way to summarize.

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Speaker 3: I just want to see good football.

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Speaker 1: I want to see quarterbacks maximize their talents. And listening

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Speaker 1: to Ben Johnson, he said he doesn't think he was

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Speaker 1: ready a year ago. He thinks he's a lot more

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Speaker 1: ready now, especially in terms of having a plan of

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Speaker 1: how he was gonna coach the defense or higher coaches

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Speaker 1: for defense. It's reportedly Dennis Allen, although he said he's

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Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of interviews and nothing's been decided,

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Speaker 1: although you've got to kind of say that, uh, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: But he thinks he has a better idea, partly by

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Speaker 1: watching Dan Campbell, of how he can run the team.

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Speaker 1: But he will be calling the plays and he will be, yeah,

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Speaker 1: jabbin the Packers a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 7: You're talking about two guys that are up for Coach

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Speaker 7: the Year awards as the season ends here. And to

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Speaker 7: be quite frank with you, I kind of enjoyed beating

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Speaker 7: Matt Laford twice a year.

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Speaker 3: He was kind of ready for that one. There's too much.

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Speaker 1: I just thought he was like comfortable and the things

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Speaker 1: you've heard about him and sometimes when I've seen him talk,

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Speaker 1: I was just like, how is this gonna be? Is

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Speaker 1: he gonna be gripping the lantern to what is it

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Speaker 1: called lectern?

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Speaker 3: Too tight? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Just every he seemed very comfortable in his own skin.

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Speaker 1: He knows what he's not, he knows he's not Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 1: He really has an offensive plan that he wants to execute.

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Speaker 1: But seemed like maybe he's ready, Like Aaron Glenn has

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Speaker 1: probably been ready for a few years. A coaching veteran,

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson probably needed some more seasoning. And they're both

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Speaker 1: getting these jobs I think at the right time. It's

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Speaker 1: just one. One is in the AFCs, which has the bills,

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Speaker 1: but otherwise like there's some there's some room to grow there.

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Speaker 1: The other is in the NFC North and that is

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Speaker 1: going to be challenging.

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Speaker 2: It works out for Ben Johnson to not take either

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Speaker 2: of the jobs last year for Chicago. God bless the

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Speaker 2: broken road. You know, you keep Matt Eberflus for a year.

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Speaker 2: It's frustrating. You have all those moments, But now you're

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Speaker 2: in the spot you wanted to be in. And what

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Speaker 2: better place to be in there?

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Speaker 1: What better place to be than in the Chris Westling

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Speaker 1: podcast studio recapping the longest show of the entire year.

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Speaker 3: Let's get out of here, at least the longest non

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Speaker 3: recap show. Play the music.

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Speaker 1: Yes for Bram Weinstein and Nick Wright, Patrick Clayba, Eric Roberts,

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Speaker 1: good luck to you. Look, Josh Annuals is back. Colin plays.

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Speaker 1: I guess football is all the way back.