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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Elliott Now, your hosts Nicky Spagnola, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. Well, we got that about
Speaker 1: a half right on a Tuesday morning here at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco inside the s WVC Mortgage studios. This
Speaker 1: is Talking Cowboys, eleven o'clock on a Tuesday. And Everson
Speaker 1: Walls not accounted for. He is cruising. He's on a
Speaker 1: super Bowl cruise this week. He told me the other
Speaker 1: day it's the first time since nineteen ninety one that
Speaker 1: he's gone on a cruise. Wow, so lay days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, back when he was at a super Bowl
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety one, I think, celebrating a super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And so you've got me, Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: You've got Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's is here filling
Speaker 1: in for Wally Pip. Yes, just pulled out of the bullpen.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, you are talking Cowboys family, right, You're
Speaker 1: just next door on the other side of the wall normally.
Speaker 1: And yes, you are Wally Pipping Mickey Speckmullman today. You
Speaker 1: think Mickey will be Wally Pip today? He could be
Speaker 1: never know, may not be back after this week. He's
Speaker 1: skiing right now. That would that would be tough shoes
Speaker 1: to fill, though, I mean Mickey, maybe not the altagonists
Speaker 1: shoes to fill. That's true. You know, am I gonna
Speaker 1: have to You don't want to? Yeah, you don't want
Speaker 1: to fill those shoes. You'll just be you and grunt
Speaker 1: a lot. And yeah, I don't know, right he's skiing
Speaker 1: right now. I think so. He might not want to
Speaker 1: come back and a cruise and those are the excuses
Speaker 1: that we've had to miss this show, that's right. What
Speaker 1: are we doing? Pretty good? Yeah, it's not bad. Someone's
Speaker 1: got to hold down the fort and we've got a
Speaker 1: lot to get to over the course of the next
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. And we got to make it forty
Speaker 1: five minutes because I gotta be somewhere at twelve thirty.
Speaker 1: Now you got TV duties. It's actually an appointment I've
Speaker 1: got at twelve thirty. This really is the offseason. Is
Speaker 1: half of our staff is gone. It is what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, and it's Super Bowl week of course in Miami.
Speaker 1: We had an opportunity yesterday Rob and Kyle. Were you
Speaker 1: both involved in meeting the assistant coaches? Just you Rob?
Speaker 1: I think it was just Rob, just Rob. Okay. We
Speaker 1: got to get reports on that. Yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a large list of guys, and a
Speaker 1: lot of them have been reported on, but the Cowboys
Speaker 1: made it official yesterday and it's you know, upwards of
Speaker 1: twenty assistant coaches maybe a little bit over that that
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy has hired, and a lot of them knew.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's three holdover verse when you
Speaker 1: talk about Kellen Moore as the OC, Doug nuss Meyer
Speaker 1: moving from tight ends to quarterbacks, and then Leon Lett
Speaker 1: as an assistant defensive line coach, and Marcus Paul taking
Speaker 1: over strength and conditioning. But other than that, I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's an entirely new staff and a
Speaker 1: largely experienced staff filled with guys that McCarthy truss and
Speaker 1: I think both those things are pluses. And Kyle, you
Speaker 1: just passed the first test here filling in for Mickey.
Speaker 1: You did not get distracted by the tour group that
Speaker 1: came by, and typically Mickey gets distracted by that. Oh
Speaker 1: well usually, I mean I've posted a couple shows in
Speaker 1: here before and so the tour group at the beginning,
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird because you feel like a fish
Speaker 1: in the fish bowl. You just don't want them to
Speaker 1: knock on the glass. You did a good, good job
Speaker 1: Therecky and getting distracted. He literally does it every time,
Speaker 1: every single time. Yeah, I try and switch the camera
Speaker 1: off of it whenever he does do that. But talking
Speaker 1: about the coaching staff, I mean, I think David Hellman
Speaker 1: tweeted it out yesterday, over a hundred and sixty five
Speaker 1: years of coaching experience between the new staff, and you
Speaker 1: look at some of the names like a Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: and guys like that Tom Sula on the defensive side,
Speaker 1: and it just kind of it stands out. It stands out,
Speaker 1: maybe more so than we've seen in the past. And
Speaker 1: it's been really impressive to see McCarthy and what he's
Speaker 1: been able to do and kind of a short period
Speaker 1: of time of being able to go out find not
Speaker 1: only experienced guys, but guys who he knows that can
Speaker 1: bring something special to the table and something unique to
Speaker 1: the table in their own individualities. This has come together
Speaker 1: quickly and the last time the Cowboys went through this
Speaker 1: a real search, if you want to call it this
Speaker 1: as search. I mean they interviewed a couple of guys.
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips and Bill Parcels didn't step down till Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl week, and I don't think it was that late.
Speaker 1: It was because they've had a playoff game. It's a
Speaker 1: wildcard game in Seattle, and then he took another week
Speaker 1: after that, that's for sure. Yeah, and it's stunned Jerry.
Speaker 1: I think Jerry was expecting Bill to go on that
Speaker 1: trip and be back for a fifth season in Dallas,
Speaker 1: and it didn't happen. He wanted to step down and retire,
Speaker 1: and he did, at least from coaching. Um Skip Pete
Speaker 1: is on the staff now is running backs coach. I
Speaker 1: got to visit with him a little bit, and I
Speaker 1: think he was hired to Wade staff like mid February
Speaker 1: that year. Everything and which you know, it speaks I
Speaker 1: think to McCarthy's relationships around in the league and guys
Speaker 1: that want to coach for him. I mean another guy
Speaker 1: they hired recently in the last few days, George Edwards
Speaker 1: a senior defensive assistant. That's another guy with experience. I mean,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been a head coach in the league, but
Speaker 1: he was Mike Zimmer's coordinator defensively for the last six
Speaker 1: years and he's coming on just in kind of a
Speaker 1: wherever you need help role. Um it's an impressive stare
Speaker 1: so yes, and it's a relatively young linebackers coach and
Speaker 1: Scott McCurley, and so that's that's exactly what they needed there.
Speaker 1: Edwards coop can be alongside that role. That's a good
Speaker 1: point because that's that's he got into coaching here, coaching
Speaker 1: dat Win and Coachley and those guys. Well, you look
Speaker 1: at some of the experience up at the top, but
Speaker 1: then you've also got a mixture of some solid young guys.
Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned McCurley, Calamore is only in his
Speaker 1: second year, and then you've got Matt Daniels in a
Speaker 1: second year, Doug must Meyer in a second year with
Speaker 1: tight ends. Now he's had seventeen years in college. But
Speaker 1: at the same time you've got two years there for
Speaker 1: nuss Meyer. But you mentioned this a second ago and
Speaker 1: you said, hey, he's not a head coach referring to
Speaker 1: one of the guys just hired. But there are four
Speaker 1: former head coaches or at least interim head coaches, Yeah,
Speaker 1: on this staff. And I think that stands out to,
Speaker 1: like you said, the way that McCarthy has kind of
Speaker 1: built those relationships over the course of his tenure in
Speaker 1: the league, and kind of the respect that I think
Speaker 1: the league has for Mike McCarthy, and it shows off
Speaker 1: in the way that he's able to hire high talented
Speaker 1: guys like that. And of course those guys starting with
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan, the defensive coordinator, who was, of course, was
Speaker 1: the head coach with the forty nine ers and in
Speaker 1: fact hired Mike McCarthy as his offensive coordinator back in
Speaker 1: oh five, oh six, whatever year that was, uh, and
Speaker 1: then he was McCarthy was there for one year before
Speaker 1: he became the head coach of the Packers. Jim tom
Speaker 1: Sula was I don't know if you were here the
Speaker 1: week I was telling my little story about tom Sula
Speaker 1: in the NFL Europe. This was no tell it fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago four I think I think it was the
Speaker 1: two thousand and four offseason. I did a couple of
Speaker 1: NFL Europe games in Germany. It was the Rhine Fire. No,
Speaker 1: it was the Berlin Thunder versus the Cologne Centurions. How
Speaker 1: hard were those names to pronounce? Well, there are American players,
Speaker 1: so never mind. I thought you would have some Keith Davis,
Speaker 1: former Cowboys safety and played for the Berlin Thunder. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But anyway, Jim tom Sula was the defensive coordinator for
Speaker 1: the Berlin Thunder I believe it was Berlin. Then he
Speaker 1: spent many years coaching in NFL Europe, and but I
Speaker 1: was really struck by him. He was the one guy
Speaker 1: that I met because I did a couple of Berlin
Speaker 1: Thunder games. One was in Cologne and the other was
Speaker 1: in Berlin, one with with Steve Berlin and the other
Speaker 1: with Lincoln Kennedy where the analysts and they were just
Speaker 1: getting their break in into broadcasting. But anyway, just talking
Speaker 1: to tom Sula, he's hilarious, right, He's hilarious. He's got
Speaker 1: an unbelievable personality in which which he showed yesterday he
Speaker 1: does not want to be interviewed. In fact, he said
Speaker 1: during the course of the interview, he said, what I'm
Speaker 1: focused on more than anything. Is not cussing, just don't cuss.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, But anyway, but what was where I was
Speaker 1: impressed with him was his work ethic. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a guy, I believe at the time, in the
Speaker 1: fall he was a coach at Little Kataba College c
Speaker 1: ata WBA, Okay, and the spring he would go over
Speaker 1: to NFL Europe and coach in NFL Europe, and so
Speaker 1: he would. He was a year round coach. I mean
Speaker 1: he was coaching football games year round, you know, in
Speaker 1: the fall and in the spring. And so it wasn't
Speaker 1: surprising that just a couple of years after that he
Speaker 1: was hired on Mike Nolan's staff with the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine ers and uh and then he none and
Speaker 1: after Nolan was let go and Harbaugh took over, Hardball
Speaker 1: kept him on and then when Harbaugh left, Tom Sula
Speaker 1: became the head coach of the forty nine ers for
Speaker 1: a year, Yeah, for a year. And as as he
Speaker 1: admits his his his deal is he is a roll
Speaker 1: up his sleeve guy and get to work, getting his
Speaker 1: hand in the dirt, you know, as Whitton would put it,
Speaker 1: U that type guy. And so I'm very impressed with him. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Philbin was the head coach of the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Who's the other one that I'm missing that had head
Speaker 1: coaching experience. Oh fo fossil As was Yeah, so um,
Speaker 1: and that's that's another guy. I mean, he came from
Speaker 1: his father, coach of the Giants for several years. But
Speaker 1: I think he started coaching out out coaching in New
Speaker 1: Mexico Highlands, some Mexico Islands, the Cowboys, some tiny school
Speaker 1: and getting paid nothing and has built his way. And
Speaker 1: this look relatively quick amount of time too, I think,
Speaker 1: because I think he was at New Mexico Highlands in
Speaker 1: like two thousand, two thousand and one whatever. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he became he got when once he started becoming a
Speaker 1: special teams coordinator in this league, he very quickly got
Speaker 1: a reputation as being one of the top special teams
Speaker 1: coaches in the league. Rick Goslin loves him, and of
Speaker 1: course Rick Goslin does the special teams rankings every year.
Speaker 1: What does he say about him, Oh, he just you know,
Speaker 1: Goslin's that's his deal. He studies special teams and well
Speaker 1: it's now it does help when you're the Rams special
Speaker 1: teams coach. Well, he was the Raiders special teams coach,
Speaker 1: and it does help when you have Janikowski and Shane Leckler, Okay,
Speaker 1: sure during your time there, I think it was four
Speaker 1: years there, and then since then, Greg Zerline came into
Speaker 1: the league the same year Fossil was with the came
Speaker 1: to the Rams, and Hecker was the punter and came
Speaker 1: into the league of the same time. And it does
Speaker 1: help when you have Zerline and Hecker got to rank
Speaker 1: high on Goslin dranking. It does because because you know,
Speaker 1: beyond that, with the coverage units and everything, you don't
Speaker 1: really get to pick your players. When you're the special
Speaker 1: teams coach. It's it's you, it's what the roster is,
Speaker 1: and you have to work with what you've got To
Speaker 1: that point, think about where the Cowboys are with special
Speaker 1: teams and obviously as far as the coverage units and everything,
Speaker 1: it was not good and last year and the year before,
Speaker 1: and but think about where they are as far as
Speaker 1: a place kicker, and even Chris Jones is getting up
Speaker 1: there in years now as the punter too, and so
Speaker 1: it's going to be a very interesting the player acquisition
Speaker 1: aspect of this, And a lot of people say, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you got to bring Kai for Bath back now. But
Speaker 1: you know it's still a small sample that for and
Speaker 1: it was a perfect sample in his month here, in
Speaker 1: the last month of the season. But there's gonna be
Speaker 1: some competition. Is that a bigger big enough sample size
Speaker 1: to be confident enough to bring him back and to
Speaker 1: put him back on a roster, Well, it's I think
Speaker 1: it also depends on what's out there. I think it's
Speaker 1: enough to bring him back, but with competition. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: they signed Tristan vi Kano to a futures deal last week,
Speaker 1: which doesn't preclude them from bringing back a Kai four
Speaker 1: Bath or somebody. I would imagine they bring a veteran
Speaker 1: in for competition, but I think that's probably what they
Speaker 1: want at this point, maybe create some competition and find
Speaker 1: the best guy. They stuck with Maher longer than they
Speaker 1: should have. I don't think there's any question about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it really costs them games, but
Speaker 1: it certainly made things more difficult. And Bill's right, I
Speaker 1: mean there's gonna be change, not just in players, but
Speaker 1: scheme wise. You know, the special teams are going to
Speaker 1: change under Fossil. The defensive scheme we can get into
Speaker 1: that it's going to change here, whether it's even if
Speaker 1: it's a four man line in base, whatever you know
Speaker 1: you want to call it. I like the hybrid aspect
Speaker 1: of that, the potential hybrid aspect of defense. Get the
Speaker 1: best players you can get your hands on. And that's
Speaker 1: what no One said yesterday in open locker room. He said, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's put the best eleven men out there. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if it's gonna be a four three or three
Speaker 1: to four. That's just your person Sometimes if you're in
Speaker 1: a three four, you might want to stand somebody up
Speaker 1: or put your hand in the ground and make it
Speaker 1: a four three hybrid like that. So I like that
Speaker 1: answer from Nolan yesterday and what he was able to
Speaker 1: do kind of just talking about, hey, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: let's put the best guys on the field. I love it.
Speaker 1: I more than like it. I love it so much
Speaker 1: because it's especially with as much change personnel wise as
Speaker 1: you could have on defense, why try to step in
Speaker 1: and immediately say this is what we do and we
Speaker 1: got to find players fit. I mean, he's coached in
Speaker 1: multiple different types of defenses, so might as well just
Speaker 1: go get players and figure out what you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: Plus the Patriots and other teams, we're seeing more multiple
Speaker 1: defensive league is evolved that way over the last decade.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you've had to the league has had
Speaker 1: to evolve defensively like that because of what's happening on
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. The trickle up effect
Speaker 1: of what's happened, you know, the college game has infiltrated
Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, it was a high school to
Speaker 1: college and college to the NFL. And you know, he
Speaker 1: saw it with the Saints a lot this year, which
Speaker 1: were no was the linebackers coach this past year where
Speaker 1: their two edge rushers they would put them on the
Speaker 1: same side a lot, you know. And you know the
Speaker 1: Packers did that with the Smith so to speak, brothers,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's that's the way you
Speaker 1: got to go about your business now in this league.
Speaker 1: Got to be able to adjust. And in the past,
Speaker 1: at least under Marin Elliot was hey, you you're a
Speaker 1: scheme guy. You're a scheme fit. And now it's parcels
Speaker 1: go back. Yeah, yeah, that's right for I mean, he
Speaker 1: had the prototype going back to the eighties and probably
Speaker 1: when he was at Texas tech in the seventies. These
Speaker 1: are this is who I get for this position, the
Speaker 1: prototype player that's going to fit into our scheme. And
Speaker 1: now you look at it and said, hey, let's just
Speaker 1: let's just ball. Let your players play. And the Latry days,
Speaker 1: I mean the flex defense. I mean, there were certain
Speaker 1: roles that each player had in his front seven. And
Speaker 1: isn't it kind of reflective of what you see on
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball with this college style
Speaker 1: of play, kind of infiltrating the NFL and saying, let's
Speaker 1: let your baller's ball. Let's let's throw Lamar Jackson out
Speaker 1: there and let him do what he does best. Let's
Speaker 1: adjust to Patrick Mahomes. And you see where that got
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. I mean, it seems like the defensive side
Speaker 1: is kind of starting to adjust a league wide way, saying, hey,
Speaker 1: let's let's get to that point where we can put
Speaker 1: our best eleven men on the field, not necessarily worry
Speaker 1: about schemes and fits and let that work. It's what
Speaker 1: It's magic, no surprise. But the Pats are kind of
Speaker 1: at the forefront of that right now, because I mean
Speaker 1: we watched them, we covered them for a week last year,
Speaker 1: this past season trying to match up with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: what they were doing. Their top defensive linemen are basically
Speaker 1: linebackers and some packages where you've got guys who can
Speaker 1: rush and cover and do all those things. More athleticism
Speaker 1: across the field to try to Kyle's point, to match
Speaker 1: which you got on the other side of the field
Speaker 1: with different types of offenses. So, you know, I think
Speaker 1: you had that with the Patriots even going back to
Speaker 1: previous decade with Willie mcguinnis who you know, yeah, and
Speaker 1: Bruskie who is a defensive end coming out of college,
Speaker 1: but they continued that. I guess it was in twenty
Speaker 1: eleven when High Tower came out and I loved him
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft for the Cowboys, even after
Speaker 1: Sean Lee was drafted the previous year. And one of
Speaker 1: the reasons was in that Alabama three to four defense,
Speaker 1: he was used either as an inside backer sometimes as
Speaker 1: a rush end as well Courtney Upshaw on the other side,
Speaker 1: And you know, Belichick sees that, and here we are
Speaker 1: a decade later and high Tower is one guy that
Speaker 1: they decided to keep, you know, and pay some money
Speaker 1: to at New England. But that's what makes it exciting too.
Speaker 1: I think when you go to look at the draft
Speaker 1: and we'll get into the Senior Bowl and what Kyle
Speaker 1: sawl down at the Senior Bowl when we come back
Speaker 1: in just a moment. But it's exciting because with all
Speaker 1: the free agency Cowboys have, with all the needs that
Speaker 1: Cowboys have, and with all the changes on the coaching staff,
Speaker 1: there's a they can go any number of directions in
Speaker 1: this draft. And let's talk about that when we come
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Speaker 1: based on GWS one course. September twenty nineteen to Talk
Speaker 1: in Cowboys, Talking Cowboys continues on a Tuesday, the last
Speaker 1: Tuesday of January twenty twenty. It's crazy that it's already
Speaker 1: almost February. Think about what's happened this month as far
Speaker 1: as the Cowboys are conserved without even playing a game
Speaker 1: this month. A few changes here in though in the
Speaker 1: last twenty seven, twenty eighth to day right, twenty eight
Speaker 1: days offseason. Huh yeah, no such thing as the off season.
Speaker 1: Things will settle down though, I don't know when, but
Speaker 1: things will settle down when. Because we got the draft.
Speaker 1: We're already talking draft free agency combines coming up in
Speaker 1: about three weeks, yes, a little over three yeah, about
Speaker 1: a month now, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fast agency
Speaker 1: free agency and all of that is fascinating to me,
Speaker 1: just because with a new staff and decisions and negotiations
Speaker 1: going on before four all of that. Yeah, well, Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott get his deal, May Cooper Byron Jones, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do with? Yes, Yes, much decision to be made,
Speaker 1: and it all factors into okay, what is the staff
Speaker 1: value and how does that influence the front office and
Speaker 1: what they do and when to decide to keep players
Speaker 1: let them go and we'll see not Dak or Amari.
Speaker 1: They're not going anywhere, I don't think. But you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of this roster could could look different. It
Speaker 1: always does to some degree, maybe a third. But you know,
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of decisions to make. And we
Speaker 1: will take your phone calls here since since we don't
Speaker 1: have Everson and we don't have Mickey, we've got more
Speaker 1: time to fill. Is that a slight to me? No,
Speaker 1: not at all, not at all. It's but it's a slight.
Speaker 1: I've got Spagnola's listening right now. I really yes. I
Speaker 1: bet he's got his phone up while he's got his skis.
Speaker 1: He just can't he can't get away. He got his
Speaker 1: air pods in making a big air pod guy. He
Speaker 1: emailed me a Jack Black to read after death break watching.
Speaker 1: Then Kyle has you to read that though, right, you're
Speaker 1: in the chair. That's fair. I am do it. Make
Speaker 1: these spots. I'll find YouTube, but I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be nearly as good as Makey's are. But Kayden Gates
Speaker 1: is taking your phone calls, and I don't remember the
Speaker 1: phone number. It's been so long since we took phone
Speaker 1: calls and Cowboys five to two ninety seven. That's right.
Speaker 1: It's on the screen right now. They can see it
Speaker 1: is on the screen. That production qual right, So how
Speaker 1: do you remember that? That Kyle? Eight eight eight? That's
Speaker 1: that's all. Normally I do exactly what Kayden just did,
Speaker 1: and I just throw it up on the screen. But
Speaker 1: eight eight eight that would be Troy and Michael to me, Okay,
Speaker 1: you could go Troy and Drew, Troy and Das right
Speaker 1: y eight e. I mean I grew up more in
Speaker 1: the daz Realm. I guess, but you can go. I
Speaker 1: would still say probably Michael in that regard, Troy, Michael,
Speaker 1: Troy again, Layton Vander Esch, MT Smith and Jason Hatcher
Speaker 1: former Great not Taco Taco, Charles Taco. See I go
Speaker 1: Leroy Jordan's okay, Bob Hayes, you know they used ninety
Speaker 1: seven ninety numbers back in my day? Did they not
Speaker 1: know who? They didn't have to because the rosters weren't
Speaker 1: as large back then. Good point, back in my day.
Speaker 1: And so I'm one Leroy Glover with the ninety seven
Speaker 1: or no, no, no, no, no, I'm going Jimmy Jones. Oh,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Jones. Okay, earlier earlier than Leroy Glover. So there
Speaker 1: you go. All right, So you want to talk Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Let's one of us was in Mobile last week at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and that one would be Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: And it was Yeoman's work that you did that last
Speaker 1: week there, Kyle. Yeah, I mean it was a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. It was my first really really good Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's great, but he's never never heard that. It's definitely
Speaker 1: not the name of my podcast or anything, but the
Speaker 1: uh this it was the first Senior Bowl that I've
Speaker 1: gone to. And of course being with the Draft Show,
Speaker 1: it's been a great month already of kind of diving in,
Speaker 1: watching a ton of film and really getting to know
Speaker 1: these guys, starting to see exactly where the Cowboys could
Speaker 1: be looking in terms of their guys. And we had
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks on last Thursday and we talked a lot
Speaker 1: about the blueprint, well he was on the Draft show,
Speaker 1: but the blueprint that we have as a as an
Speaker 1: NFL organization to potentially be successful and to build a
Speaker 1: solid roster. And the Cowboys are about three positions short,
Speaker 1: and we decided that was tight in defensive line secondary,
Speaker 1: which is not a surprise to anybody. That's really where
Speaker 1: the eyes have already been. So but there were some
Speaker 1: guys that stood out over the course of the week
Speaker 1: and then even on Saturday that that kind of flashed
Speaker 1: some stuff that you like to see that could potentially
Speaker 1: fit with the Cowboys. And going back to what we
Speaker 1: talked about in the first segment, I mean the fact
Speaker 1: that it's so wide open and the scheme is so undefined. Man,
Speaker 1: it makes things fun from a draft standpoint, in a
Speaker 1: outing standpoint, to say he's a ball or we could
Speaker 1: we could really use him on the Who's one guy?
Speaker 1: One guy? That's that you keep coming back to Javon
Speaker 1: kin Law out of South Carolina, defensive tackle. Where is
Speaker 1: he going to be picked? What? Hell? High? Probably right
Speaker 1: around seventeen, the middle of the first round. And the
Speaker 1: only reason I would say that he drops is because
Speaker 1: of the fact that a lot of teams in front
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys need some quarterbacks, and so I think
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are probably gonna be over picked a little bit.
Speaker 1: A guy like Jordan Love Utah State, I mean, justin
Speaker 1: Herbert's probably gonna go in the top ten, potentially six
Speaker 1: to the Chargers. Of course two was probably gonna be
Speaker 1: picked in that realm as well. So there's already three
Speaker 1: guys plus Joe Burrow, so four quarterbacks. That ultimately puts
Speaker 1: you up position player wise to about the thirteenth best
Speaker 1: position player. Also, not to mention the wide receivers out
Speaker 1: of there, Jerry Judy, Cedee Lamb, even Rugs could be
Speaker 1: in that that conversation. That may be the deepest position
Speaker 1: in the top Yeah, this this draft is extremely deep
Speaker 1: when it comes to receivers. And I would honestly say
Speaker 1: potentially tackle. I think offensive tackle. It's it's a very
Speaker 1: deep draft, but I would say wide receiver by far.
Speaker 1: And I think that was reflected in Mobile. A lot
Speaker 1: of great guys that were running around. But you take
Speaker 1: four receivers, four quarterbacks, that's eight picks in front of
Speaker 1: you potentially that the Cowboys don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: in terms of the needs that they've got to fill.
Speaker 1: It's interesting defensive tackle. What type of defensive tackle do
Speaker 1: they want? A good one? A good one, but well,
Speaker 1: and the thing is the thing about kin Law that's
Speaker 1: interesting is he's not necessarily defined. He likes playing out
Speaker 1: of the three technique and he likes being that guy,
Speaker 1: but he can also line up in a one. He
Speaker 1: could be a guy who could kind of go to
Speaker 1: the outside a little bit and have some success. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's massive. I don't have his measurements right in front
Speaker 1: of me at the moment, but I can pull it
Speaker 1: up here in just a second. But six six three
Speaker 1: ten is what he was measured at. So Bill McClay
Speaker 1: used that as example when he spoke to the senior
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. To the reporters, he said, you
Speaker 1: know about the influence from the coaching staff, how that
Speaker 1: influences how the front office looks at players, and said, look,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna listen to him what they like.
Speaker 1: And he said, if they want bigger I think bigger
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, we can do that. That's not a guarantee,
Speaker 1: but that's that would be a difference from the Marinelli Era,
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. I like the scheme flexibility
Speaker 1: because I think that's probably what you're looking for on
Speaker 1: defensive guy who can kind of do anything you want
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, and I think secondary would be a
Speaker 1: safe pick in the first round as well. That's why
Speaker 1: a lot of the names like Grant Delpit and Xavier McKinney.
Speaker 1: McKinney excuse me, out of Alabama have kind of come up.
Speaker 1: But at least Senior Bowl wise, specifically looking at kin Law,
Speaker 1: all eyes were on him from a Cowboys perspective, at
Speaker 1: least with helpman. And I sat with Nate Newton and
Speaker 1: he said, man, if if he gets his hands inside
Speaker 1: and he's able to get inside of an offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: there's no block in him, he's gonna throw you around.
Speaker 1: And Nate was really high on him. He did he
Speaker 1: indicate who he kind of reminded him of. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I don't think he kind of gave a
Speaker 1: comp at least in that regard. Did you hear something.
Speaker 1: I'm just the size wise, six six three ten, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking Michael Brucker's or something like that. I was thinking
Speaker 1: maybe a Chris Jones from Kansas City, it would be great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit like that. Yeah, I think he's incredible.
Speaker 1: And I think if if you've got a guy like
Speaker 1: that in the middle of your defense with the linebackers
Speaker 1: that you have and potentially letting them go down down
Speaker 1: downhill a little bit more than they have in the past,
Speaker 1: and man, that's that's a lot of run stopping ability
Speaker 1: that you've got. Now. The one knocked to kin Law
Speaker 1: this week is he kind of struggled a little bit
Speaker 1: against smaller offensive lineman Lloyd Cushionberry, the second the offensive
Speaker 1: lineman out of l he kind of gave fits to
Speaker 1: kin Law and it it elevated Cushionberry stock a little bit,
Speaker 1: but kin Law kind of struggled to get those hands
Speaker 1: inside went to the outside a little bit. But as
Speaker 1: a smaller guy, it just seemed like Cushionberry had a
Speaker 1: little bit more leverage and was able to kind of
Speaker 1: utilize the speed a little bit more in order to
Speaker 1: slow down a guy like Ken Law who has some
Speaker 1: speed but still takes a little bit to get going,
Speaker 1: which is understandable if you're six six three ten. So
Speaker 1: it's just, uh, it's interesting to see kind of the
Speaker 1: matchups and specifically the strengths and weaknesses of kin Law.
Speaker 1: He did come up a little limp at the end
Speaker 1: of the second practice and they shut him down for
Speaker 1: the week. But it shouldn't be any issue. I think
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be good for the Combine next month,
Speaker 1: so uh really shouldn't be any lingering stuff. All right.
Speaker 1: Kyle is from Waco, Brian is from Waco. And Brian,
Speaker 1: you are up here on Talking Cowboys. Do you know
Speaker 1: Brian from Waco? What's the last name? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Brian's gonna have to Yeah, you're not getting at but Kyla,
Speaker 1: I didn't know you're from Waco. Man, that's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: man Waco, Brian you panther, No, I am not. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm a Baylor Bear fan though, he sim Yeah, how
Speaker 1: about that. Maybe i'll see a Vtex sometime. We'll get
Speaker 1: a barbecue. Yeah yeah. Um, so I have a little
Speaker 1: bit of a thought experiment. I know. Um, I've been
Speaker 1: kind of keeping an eye. I'm most of the mock
Speaker 1: drafts have been going around. I'm a web and you know,
Speaker 1: ninety percent of them gonna have Grant Delpit going to us.
Speaker 1: And that's that's all well and good. I would be
Speaker 1: happy with that. UM And I kind of think Colin,
Speaker 1: not to disagree with you a little bit, but I
Speaker 1: think Javon ken law Um, I have a feeling he's
Speaker 1: going to go a little earlier, like maybe to the
Speaker 1: Colts or the buck Buccaneers, maybe beforehand. I think once
Speaker 1: he gets to the combine, I think some of those
Speaker 1: coaching staffs are just gonna fall in love with him
Speaker 1: and his measurables and everything else. I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be gone last seventeen. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: know how you were talking about the deep wide receiver
Speaker 1: class and um, and you were talking about Bucky Brooks
Speaker 1: earlier and his mock draft just came out and he
Speaker 1: gave us Henry Ruggs. And that's kind of who I've
Speaker 1: been on or lately the past few days. I think
Speaker 1: having him, Amari and Michael Gallup all in the same um,
Speaker 1: you know field together, him being just such a burner
Speaker 1: that is to me, if he was there, that would
Speaker 1: be hard to pass him up. Not to mention that
Speaker 1: m Philly picks kind of behind us. They need a
Speaker 1: wide receiver, so I would want to keep him out
Speaker 1: of Philly Green Bay as well. They need a wide
Speaker 1: receiver as well. As I was going to people nowadays,
Speaker 1: um so you kind of have you kind of have that,
Speaker 1: and I think there's some really good defensive tackles you
Speaker 1: can get in the second and third. I think Gallamore,
Speaker 1: I think has been talked about that, Jordan Elliott has
Speaker 1: been talked about. You might have a shot at getting
Speaker 1: Xavier McKinney in the second round for your safety position,
Speaker 1: um Aston Davis to a little bit lesser extent, but anyway,
Speaker 1: just kind of what you guys would think about maybe
Speaker 1: having Rogues and Gallup and MARII uh a lot enough.
Speaker 1: You know, who cares about defense when you're scoring forty
Speaker 1: fifty points a game? You sound like David Hellman and
Speaker 1: saying that he said, Hey, who cares about playing defense
Speaker 1: when you put up sixty? Well, and I mean, in
Speaker 1: terms of value picks, wide receiver might be the best
Speaker 1: value you could get, depending on where you know who
Speaker 1: falls the seventeen I would add one more position to
Speaker 1: y'all's list of I guess deficiencies where they're at right now,
Speaker 1: I would say linebacker only because we just don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got four unrestricted free agents to be
Speaker 1: including Shawn Lee justin March, Malcolm Smith and Joe Thomas,
Speaker 1: and Layton Vanderesh's having is coming off you know what
Speaker 1: they term a minor procedure, and we'll be back for
Speaker 1: the off season program. But you need to cover yourself
Speaker 1: with some insurance at the very least. I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I also just don't necessarily see that as a higher priority,
Speaker 1: and potentially you could attack that in free agency as well.
Speaker 1: I think linebackers a position where you could go at
Speaker 1: in free agency and have better success at saying not
Speaker 1: saying you're going to hit on everybody. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying all these guys won't be bad. You could
Speaker 1: be bad. We'll see um and these other guys. But
Speaker 1: that's another one, just all all three levels of the defense.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at it like, man, just get the
Speaker 1: best player. Yeah. I kind of want to go back
Speaker 1: to what he started with about Ken Law potentially not
Speaker 1: being there at seventeen. I agree. I mean, with his
Speaker 1: measurables and the way that he kind of showed out
Speaker 1: before he got hurt at the Senior Bowl, there's there's
Speaker 1: a very good chance that he's gone before things changed
Speaker 1: so much absolutely now and March. I mean once the numbers,
Speaker 1: the measurables come out, combine and then pro days, then um,
Speaker 1: who knows where some of these guys are going. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Kyle expressed some trepidation in the break, saying that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure, pressure, a lot of pressure, and
Speaker 1: Rob quickly said, no, the bar is set so damn low.
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Speaker 1: trepidation as you make that read funny, isn't it, Mick? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's the only chance I get to see her all day.
Speaker 1: So anyway, let's go to Nebbi Nebbi, you're up here
Speaker 1: on talking Cowboys. How you doing nebbi um um um
Speaker 1: um Uh. I'm doing well, even though I feel sad
Speaker 1: about Kobe Bryant. Uh a god buzzes soul. First of all,
Speaker 1: I want to make a quick Super Bowl prediction. I
Speaker 1: think San Francisco is gonna beat Kansas City twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty three twenty And I want to know, uh uh
Speaker 1: among our assistant coaches, who who who do you feel
Speaker 1: the most good about me? Me personally? UH? I think
Speaker 1: the fact that we hired UH John Fossil as our
Speaker 1: special UH team's coach, UH is a great uh uh
Speaker 1: uh is a great uh uh higher because he's a
Speaker 1: great special teams coach. Uh to take care thanks for
Speaker 1: being patient with me and uh uh uh uh take
Speaker 1: care of thanks for be abating with me and have
Speaker 1: a great week. But okay, appreciate it. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: And I agree wholeheartedly with John Fossil as he's my
Speaker 1: pick too that I'm most excited about. I'll go with
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan and he said something really interesting. He kept
Speaker 1: harping on takeaways yesterday and to me, that's the biggest
Speaker 1: thing that's got to change defensively. They've got to take
Speaker 1: the ball away, he said. Aikman told him a story
Speaker 1: one time that as a player, he didn't fear a
Speaker 1: secondary that just knocked the ball down because okay, that's
Speaker 1: the worst thing that happens. I throw in completions all
Speaker 1: the time. It's a Dion Sanders, and you know you're
Speaker 1: not going to find another Deon Sanders. But guys out
Speaker 1: there that are a threat to take the ball away
Speaker 1: or what quarterbacks and Everson Walls and Everson Walls our
Speaker 1: guy picks in his career. Absolutely, So if that's the
Speaker 1: priority and that's what they're going to focus on doing
Speaker 1: how can they fit the scheme, how can they get
Speaker 1: more players to do that. I like what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1: Plus Nolan's experience as well. Yeah, I would probably agree
Speaker 1: with Nebby and say Fossil, but just for the sake
Speaker 1: of being different, I would say Joe Philbin over there
Speaker 1: as well, just a little bit of experience there to
Speaker 1: kind of help out Kellen Moore in his second year.
Speaker 1: I think having a more experienced staff around him, I mean,
Speaker 1: even Skip Pete in the building as well. I think
Speaker 1: those two guys are going to help out a lot
Speaker 1: in the way that Kellen Moore runs this offense and
Speaker 1: potentially grows. I know McCarthy's going to probably have a
Speaker 1: pretty solid chunk of say and how the offense is run,
Speaker 1: but I think those three combined are going to really
Speaker 1: help Kellen Moore grow and continue to improve as an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. That's why I like that high you know.
Speaker 1: And the other thing from Mike McCarthy's perspective, I love
Speaker 1: that there's an assistant head coach named Rob Davis who's
Speaker 1: been hired here. There's so much on the plate for
Speaker 1: a head coach in this league that goes beyond coaching football,
Speaker 1: and that we don't even think about. I mean we
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, the media stuff that he has
Speaker 1: to do, but even just setting the schedule on when
Speaker 1: they do things and things like. There's so many administrative
Speaker 1: type things that a head coach has to deal with.
Speaker 1: And if Mike McCarthy is going to sit in on
Speaker 1: those offensive meetings and defense and have his hands all
Speaker 1: over this team, he needs help in that regard and
Speaker 1: it's probably something that he decided over the court, and
Speaker 1: he may have done that previously in Green Bay too,
Speaker 1: but I would imagine those skull sessions with those coaches
Speaker 1: that he had at his house in Green Bay over
Speaker 1: the course of the last year. That's probably something that
Speaker 1: came up with is you need a right hand man.
Speaker 1: And he was in the private sector of the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, which is interesting and he hasn't been
Speaker 1: a coach before, but he's going to be a bridge
Speaker 1: for player development as well. He was that in Green
Speaker 1: Bay and the Cowboys already have a tremendous staff of
Speaker 1: people who do that. But that's another addition, a good addition.
Speaker 1: I thought he's an interesting hire just because of his
Speaker 1: lack of coaching experience, but I think he's in a
Speaker 1: different role than a true XS and o's guy, And
Speaker 1: he talked about that he's kind of a utility guy
Speaker 1: for that that McCarthy trust. I mean, you need even
Speaker 1: just things that you've ideas that you have, you need
Speaker 1: someone that you can play ideas off of our issues
Speaker 1: that come up. How do you handle certain things? You
Speaker 1: need a sounding board on stuff like that. Randald Cobb
Speaker 1: was walking past his interview session and it was kind
Speaker 1: of like an open house at school, you know, all
Speaker 1: these guys are talking at once, and he came by
Speaker 1: and he shot he's a legend, you know, and obviously
Speaker 1: you go cobbs around him for several years in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: So speaking highly of Rob Davis. All right, Philip in France,
Speaker 1: you have the final call on this Tuesday here I'm
Speaker 1: talking cowboys. How are you doing? I'm fine, Hi, guys.
Speaker 1: It's been a wine since we first let me wish
Speaker 1: an epin year and the best twishes for twenty twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two the Cowboys Nation. Um, maybe you are already
Speaker 1: debate at museum about this topic, but I mean some
Speaker 1: homework on coach mcmathy. There's something that bothers me a
Speaker 1: little bit about him and his system. Exception of Eddie
Speaker 1: Lacey's a rookie year, his team had never had a
Speaker 1: dominant grand game, even when good running backs were lining
Speaker 1: up behind the Aaron Rodgers. The Cowboys roster is built
Speaker 1: to run a lot the rock. What all you take
Speaker 1: on this? And then we have a little a little
Speaker 1: thinking at the box here, uh say Cincinnati, he's desperate
Speaker 1: to win. Now, what about them to call for a
Speaker 1: trade for Dak with pick number one and maybe maybe
Speaker 1: say your third? What I thought about it, Mike for
Speaker 1: taking Michael, have a great year, have a great week,
Speaker 1: and take care by bye. All right, Philly, We appreciate it. Game.
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's he's right. I mean that's something
Speaker 1: that people have harped on with McCarthy. I will say
Speaker 1: that when you've got Aaron Rodgers, yeah, And I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say they had and they didn't have a Zeke Elliott
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. They had decent running backs, solid running backs,
Speaker 1: but they bond Green probably the best of those, yeah,
Speaker 1: but not Zeke. And he's right that this offense has
Speaker 1: been built to run the football. And I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to change. I think it makes
Speaker 1: so much easier on DAK. But I do think when
Speaker 1: you've got Aaron Rodgers that that changes the way you
Speaker 1: probably call plays and emphasize your offense. And they used
Speaker 1: a lot of the short passing game too with Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: which can function in some ways as a run game
Speaker 1: as well. So I don't really worry about that too much.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they're gonna be seventy thirty
Speaker 1: pass run under McCarthy. Did they have a first round
Speaker 1: or even early second round running back during his entire tenure.
Speaker 1: I know Lacey was sixty first we're also second round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mentioned Green, he was a third rounder. They didn't
Speaker 1: have one of those bell cow backs that you could
Speaker 1: go to even if they wanted to know, without a variety. Yeah, no, nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing like this. I'm not I'm not concerned about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are. I think they're
Speaker 1: going to try to have balance, and Kellen Moore is
Speaker 1: he talked about that they've got to attack in different
Speaker 1: ways and and and use run action, play action, all
Speaker 1: those things off of the run game. That's important. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that part's going to change, and I
Speaker 1: think you got to get Tony Pollard involved, sure, I
Speaker 1: really think so. Yeah, I think that's got to be
Speaker 1: something that and hopefully that like you you mentioned it
Speaker 1: earlier that the barn sessions that McCarthy had in terms
Speaker 1: of looking at the New Age NFL and evolving his
Speaker 1: play style, I hopefully that involves maybe a two running
Speaker 1: backs in the backfields kind of said, and an opportunity
Speaker 1: for for Pollard to get involved even win Zeke's on
Speaker 1: the field, because I think that would be something that
Speaker 1: I know, personally I would love to see. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I think it's an extremely talented back and I think
Speaker 1: he's we're keeping an animal caged on the sideline if
Speaker 1: that's the case, and even Zeke more involved in the
Speaker 1: passing game the screen game works, Zeke's capable of doing
Speaker 1: more than that. He had almost eighty catches a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. You can get him more involved too.
Speaker 1: The second part of his question, no, Dak Prescott's not
Speaker 1: going in yere. Yeah, I wasn't even go in there.
Speaker 1: Who is their running back? Who is their top running
Speaker 1: back when they won the Super Bowl twenty ten season.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to right after Green. I'm not totally sure.
Speaker 1: Have you got pro reference? I've got it up, yep.
Speaker 1: Who is it? Brandon Jackson? Okay, okay, had a seven
Speaker 1: hundred three yards on one hundred and ninety carries. That season.
Speaker 1: They had James Starks and have memory serves me right,
Speaker 1: Star starts stars, and I like Starks as a as
Speaker 1: a second back, and as memory serves me right, Starks
Speaker 1: came on big at the end of that season. I think, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: stand back got hurt. Right. They had so many injuries
Speaker 1: that year. They had like twenty guys. Was amazing, Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: They were able to make that run with as many
Speaker 1: injuries as they had. All right, what about this Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: What are we thinking? You think you want me to
Speaker 1: go first? Sure? Okay, So I've been on the Kansas
Speaker 1: City bandwagon for a little while in terms of the offense,
Speaker 1: and Patrick Mahomes. San Francisco gave me a little bit
Speaker 1: to think about. I thought going into it, I was like,
Speaker 1: Kansas City's gonna run the table. They're gonna They're gonna
Speaker 1: make this look easy. I don't think it's gonna be easy,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna stick with my original pick. I picked
Speaker 1: him before the season even started. Kansas City's gonna win it,
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna be a game that you would expect.
Speaker 1: You would expect potentially a high scoring affair. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like twenty three, like police score team
Speaker 1: or yeah, I will say a little bit less than that.
Speaker 1: It'd be close to that though. I like what Nev
Speaker 1: said twenty three twenty, but I'm gonna say twenty three
Speaker 1: to twenty one. But I'm gonna go Kansas City not
Speaker 1: San Francisco. What are you thinking, Robert? I love Pat
Speaker 1: Mahomes this game, so he reminds me of AT five,
Speaker 1: But I just wow. And Mike Freeman, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite NFL writers, for Please Report, he pulled apparently a
Speaker 1: lot of unnamed executives around the league, people around the
Speaker 1: league that think the Chiefs are gonna win easily. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't see that. I've been burned by Seattle,
Speaker 1: Denver and Denver against the Panthers a few years ago.
Speaker 1: These the teams that have the strong defenses and capable
Speaker 1: offense prevail a lot of times in these Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: and I think I think San Francisco is the more
Speaker 1: complete team. We'll see. We'll see, but I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a highly entertaining game and maybe I think
Speaker 1: it might be pretty high scoring on both both sides
Speaker 1: of the football. We'll see. I'll go twenty eight twenty
Speaker 1: four San Francisco. I don't have the numbers in front
Speaker 1: of me, but the Texans past defense was like twenty
Speaker 1: ninth in the league something like that, and the Titans
Speaker 1: was twenty fourth or something like that. And what is
Speaker 1: San Francisco's past defense? It's really good. They first, first
Speaker 1: or second, I think their first, maybe second, okay, and
Speaker 1: just their ability to run the ball with whoever say,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who's in the backfield. It's very Mike
Speaker 1: Shanahan and Denver all those years. You know, well, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be great. I think it's gonna be a terrific game.
Speaker 1: And still, did you did you until you pick Kansas
Speaker 1: City or twenty four? I'm gonna go San Francisco. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. Why would I do that. At the beginning
Speaker 1: of the season, I said, Dallas is gonna win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and so Dallas is gonna win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: The Dallas, the Dallas Texans wins Super Bowl season? Are
Speaker 1: you going forty No, I'm not. Thank god game's not
Speaker 1: on CBS, so I don't have to go. What's the score?
Speaker 1: Forty two? Forty two thirty four four two thirty four Texans? Okay,
Speaker 1: Dallas texanss just insanity, those Sniders. I see what you
Speaker 1: did there. Always you switched on, always a bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, first time fifty years the Texans win the
Speaker 1: Super Dallas Texans win the Super Bowl. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: that doesn't for this edition of Talking Cowboys. And we'll
Speaker 1: see if Mickey is back next week, or we'll Luke
Speaker 1: Earrick once again be in the seat here. We'll talk
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