WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Talkin' Draft & Staff 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:07.920 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:18.840 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.720 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:35.320 Star in Frisco. Elliott Now, your hosts Nicky Spagnola, Rob Phillips, 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:40.080 Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. Well, we got that about 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:44.280 a half right on a Tuesday morning here at the 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:49.000 Star in Frisco inside the s WVC Mortgage studios. This 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:54.279 is Talking Cowboys, eleven o'clock on a Tuesday. And Everson 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.840 Walls not accounted for. He is cruising. He's on a 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.680 super Bowl cruise this week. He told me the other 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.960 day it's the first time since nineteen ninety one that 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.679 he's gone on a cruise. Wow, so lay days. Yeah, 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.160 that's right, back when he was at a super Bowl 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.120 in nineteen ninety one, I think, celebrating a super Bowl. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.399 That's exactly right. And so you've got me, Bill Jones, 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:20.160 You've got Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's is here filling 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:24.520 in for Wally Pip. Yes, just pulled out of the bullpen. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.959 That's right. Yeah, you are talking Cowboys family, right, You're 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.040 just next door on the other side of the wall normally. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.880 And yes, you are Wally Pipping Mickey Speckmullman today. You 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.480 think Mickey will be Wally Pip today? He could be 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.160 never know, may not be back after this week. He's 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.920 skiing right now. That would that would be tough shoes 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:47.600 to fill, though, I mean Mickey, maybe not the altagonists 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.800 shoes to fill. That's true. You know, am I gonna 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.440 have to You don't want to? Yeah, you don't want 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.760 to fill those shoes. You'll just be you and grunt 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.800 a lot. And yeah, I don't know, right he's skiing 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:01.560 right now. I think so. He might not want to 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.560 come back and a cruise and those are the excuses 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.640 that we've had to miss this show, that's right. What 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.720 are we doing? Pretty good? Yeah, it's not bad. Someone's 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.800 got to hold down the fort and we've got a 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.239 lot to get to over the course of the next 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.360 forty five minutes. And we got to make it forty 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.360 five minutes because I gotta be somewhere at twelve thirty. 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.440 Now you got TV duties. It's actually an appointment I've 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.799 got at twelve thirty. This really is the offseason. Is 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.959 half of our staff is gone. It is what it is. Yeah, 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.040 that's right, and it's Super Bowl week of course in Miami. 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.440 We had an opportunity yesterday Rob and Kyle. Were you 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.440 both involved in meeting the assistant coaches? Just you Rob? 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.720 I think it was just Rob, just Rob. Okay. We 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.239 got to get reports on that. Yeah, that was interesting. 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.239 I mean it's a large list of guys, and a 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.680 lot of them have been reported on, but the Cowboys 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.400 made it official yesterday and it's you know, upwards of 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.040 twenty assistant coaches maybe a little bit over that that 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.840 Mike McCarthy has hired, and a lot of them knew. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.760 I mean, I think there's three holdover verse when you 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.680 talk about Kellen Moore as the OC, Doug nuss Meyer 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.320 moving from tight ends to quarterbacks, and then Leon Lett 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.760 as an assistant defensive line coach, and Marcus Paul taking 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.119 over strength and conditioning. But other than that, I think 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.160 it's I think it's an entirely new staff and a 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:20.640 largely experienced staff filled with guys that McCarthy truss and 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.959 I think both those things are pluses. And Kyle, you 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.480 just passed the first test here filling in for Mickey. 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.320 You did not get distracted by the tour group that 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.880 came by, and typically Mickey gets distracted by that. Oh 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.200 well usually, I mean I've posted a couple shows in 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.160 here before and so the tour group at the beginning, 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.000 it's kind of weird because you feel like a fish 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.280 in the fish bowl. You just don't want them to 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.440 knock on the glass. You did a good, good job 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.920 Therecky and getting distracted. He literally does it every time, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.520 every single time. Yeah, I try and switch the camera 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.160 off of it whenever he does do that. But talking 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.480 about the coaching staff, I mean, I think David Hellman 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.240 tweeted it out yesterday, over a hundred and sixty five 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.640 years of coaching experience between the new staff, and you 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.040 look at some of the names like a Mike Nolan 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.600 and guys like that Tom Sula on the defensive side, 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.560 and it just kind of it stands out. It stands out, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:14.440 maybe more so than we've seen in the past. And 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.200 it's been really impressive to see McCarthy and what he's 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.080 been able to do and kind of a short period 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.800 of time of being able to go out find not 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.960 only experienced guys, but guys who he knows that can 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.000 bring something special to the table and something unique to 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.239 the table in their own individualities. This has come together 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.839 quickly and the last time the Cowboys went through this 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.240 a real search, if you want to call it this 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:38.880 as search. I mean they interviewed a couple of guys. 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.920 Wade Phillips and Bill Parcels didn't step down till Senior 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.760 Bowl week, and I don't think it was that late. 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.400 It was because they've had a playoff game. It's a 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.080 wildcard game in Seattle, and then he took another week 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.039 after that, that's for sure. Yeah, and it's stunned Jerry. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.640 I think Jerry was expecting Bill to go on that 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:58.679 trip and be back for a fifth season in Dallas, 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.080 and it didn't happen. He wanted to step down and retire, 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.720 and he did, at least from coaching. Um Skip Pete 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:06.520 is on the staff now is running backs coach. I 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.200 got to visit with him a little bit, and I 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:13.240 think he was hired to Wade staff like mid February 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.919 that year. Everything and which you know, it speaks I 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.400 think to McCarthy's relationships around in the league and guys 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.159 that want to coach for him. I mean another guy 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.119 they hired recently in the last few days, George Edwards 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.920 a senior defensive assistant. That's another guy with experience. I mean, 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:30.880 he hasn't been a head coach in the league, but 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.800 he was Mike Zimmer's coordinator defensively for the last six 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.520 years and he's coming on just in kind of a 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:41.480 wherever you need help role. Um it's an impressive stare 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:46.200 so yes, and it's a relatively young linebackers coach and 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:50.120 Scott McCurley, and so that's that's exactly what they needed there. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:54.640 Edwards coop can be alongside that role. That's a good 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.160 point because that's that's he got into coaching here, coaching 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.120 dat Win and Coachley and those guys. Well, you look 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:02.880 at some of the experience up at the top, but 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.240 then you've also got a mixture of some solid young guys. 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.719 I mean you mentioned McCurley, Calamore is only in his 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.200 second year, and then you've got Matt Daniels in a 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.719 second year, Doug must Meyer in a second year with 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.159 tight ends. Now he's had seventeen years in college. But 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.240 at the same time you've got two years there for 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.480 nuss Meyer. But you mentioned this a second ago and 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.840 you said, hey, he's not a head coach referring to 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.320 one of the guys just hired. But there are four 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.599 former head coaches or at least interim head coaches, Yeah, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.160 on this staff. And I think that stands out to, 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.920 like you said, the way that McCarthy has kind of 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.120 built those relationships over the course of his tenure in 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.640 the league, and kind of the respect that I think 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.560 the league has for Mike McCarthy, and it shows off 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:45.960 in the way that he's able to hire high talented 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.960 guys like that. And of course those guys starting with 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.919 Mike Nolan, the defensive coordinator, who was, of course, was 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.479 the head coach with the forty nine ers and in 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:58.400 fact hired Mike McCarthy as his offensive coordinator back in 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.520 oh five, oh six, whatever year that was, uh, and 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.920 then he was McCarthy was there for one year before 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.120 he became the head coach of the Packers. Jim tom 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.760 Sula was I don't know if you were here the 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.200 week I was telling my little story about tom Sula 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.480 in the NFL Europe. This was no tell it fifteen 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.760 years ago four I think I think it was the 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.720 two thousand and four offseason. I did a couple of 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:27.680 NFL Europe games in Germany. It was the Rhine Fire. No, 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.960 it was the Berlin Thunder versus the Cologne Centurions. How 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.800 hard were those names to pronounce? Well, there are American players, 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.120 so never mind. I thought you would have some Keith Davis, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.920 former Cowboys safety and played for the Berlin Thunder. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:46.240 But anyway, Jim tom Sula was the defensive coordinator for 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.600 the Berlin Thunder I believe it was Berlin. Then he 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:53.840 spent many years coaching in NFL Europe, and but I 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.640 was really struck by him. He was the one guy 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.240 that I met because I did a couple of Berlin 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.360 Thunder games. One was in Cologne and the other was 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.800 in Berlin, one with with Steve Berlin and the other 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:06.920 with Lincoln Kennedy where the analysts and they were just 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.880 getting their break in into broadcasting. But anyway, just talking 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.120 to tom Sula, he's hilarious, right, He's hilarious. He's got 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.520 an unbelievable personality in which which he showed yesterday he 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.200 does not want to be interviewed. In fact, he said 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.200 during the course of the interview, he said, what I'm 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:28.360 focused on more than anything. Is not cussing, just don't cuss. 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:32.280 Yeah right, But anyway, but what was where I was 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.559 impressed with him was his work ethic. I mean, this 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.600 is a guy, I believe at the time, in the 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.800 fall he was a coach at Little Kataba College c 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:47.320 ata WBA, Okay, and the spring he would go over 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.320 to NFL Europe and coach in NFL Europe, and so 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.880 he would. He was a year round coach. I mean 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.200 he was coaching football games year round, you know, in 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.080 the fall and in the spring. And so it wasn't 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.080 surprising that just a couple of years after that he 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.720 was hired on Mike Nolan's staff with the San Francisco 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.280 forty nine ers and uh and then he none and 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.640 after Nolan was let go and Harbaugh took over, Hardball 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.320 kept him on and then when Harbaugh left, Tom Sula 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.480 became the head coach of the forty nine ers for 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.040 a year, Yeah, for a year. And as as he 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:22.160 admits his his his deal is he is a roll 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.040 up his sleeve guy and get to work, getting his 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.440 hand in the dirt, you know, as Whitton would put it, 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:32.240 U that type guy. And so I'm very impressed with him. Uh, 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.640 you know, Joe Philbin was the head coach of the Dolphins. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.240 Who's the other one that I'm missing that had head 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:42.520 coaching experience. Oh fo fossil As was Yeah, so um, 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:44.920 and that's that's another guy. I mean, he came from 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.480 his father, coach of the Giants for several years. But 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.880 I think he started coaching out out coaching in New 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:56.000 Mexico Highlands, some Mexico Islands, the Cowboys, some tiny school 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.040 and getting paid nothing and has built his way. And 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:04.200 this look relatively quick amount of time too, I think, 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.200 because I think he was at New Mexico Highlands in 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.920 like two thousand, two thousand and one whatever. Yeah, and 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.440 he became he got when once he started becoming a 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:16.480 special teams coordinator in this league, he very quickly got 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.160 a reputation as being one of the top special teams 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.520 coaches in the league. Rick Goslin loves him, and of 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.120 course Rick Goslin does the special teams rankings every year. 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.640 What does he say about him, Oh, he just you know, 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:32.160 Goslin's that's his deal. He studies special teams and well 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:36.040 it's now it does help when you're the Rams special 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.880 teams coach. Well, he was the Raiders special teams coach, 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:43.600 and it does help when you have Janikowski and Shane Leckler, Okay, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.839 sure during your time there, I think it was four 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:50.000 years there, and then since then, Greg Zerline came into 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.840 the league the same year Fossil was with the came 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:56.000 to the Rams, and Hecker was the punter and came 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:57.439 into the league of the same time. And it does 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.640 help when you have Zerline and Hecker got to rank 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.600 high on Goslin dranking. It does because because you know, 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.200 beyond that, with the coverage units and everything, you don't 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:07.920 really get to pick your players. When you're the special 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.440 teams coach. It's it's you, it's what the roster is, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.240 and you have to work with what you've got To 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.240 that point, think about where the Cowboys are with special 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.360 teams and obviously as far as the coverage units and everything, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.959 it was not good and last year and the year before, 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.040 and but think about where they are as far as 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.040 a place kicker, and even Chris Jones is getting up 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.120 there in years now as the punter too, and so 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.240 it's going to be a very interesting the player acquisition 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.040 aspect of this, And a lot of people say, yeah, well, 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.719 you got to bring Kai for Bath back now. But 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.280 you know it's still a small sample that for and 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.160 it was a perfect sample in his month here, in 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.439 the last month of the season. But there's gonna be 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.840 some competition. Is that a bigger big enough sample size 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.280 to be confident enough to bring him back and to 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.560 put him back on a roster, Well, it's I think 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.800 it also depends on what's out there. I think it's 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.200 enough to bring him back, but with competition. Yeah, And 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:05.640 they signed Tristan vi Kano to a futures deal last week, 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.160 which doesn't preclude them from bringing back a Kai four 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.480 Bath or somebody. I would imagine they bring a veteran 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.200 in for competition, but I think that's probably what they 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.480 want at this point, maybe create some competition and find 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.440 the best guy. They stuck with Maher longer than they 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.240 should have. I don't think there's any question about that. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.360 I don't know if it really costs them games, but 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.199 it certainly made things more difficult. And Bill's right, I 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.080 mean there's gonna be change, not just in players, but 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.040 scheme wise. You know, the special teams are going to 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.640 change under Fossil. The defensive scheme we can get into 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.839 that it's going to change here, whether it's even if 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.080 it's a four man line in base, whatever you know 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:44.280 you want to call it. I like the hybrid aspect 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:48.760 of that, the potential hybrid aspect of defense. Get the 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:50.959 best players you can get your hands on. And that's 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.600 what no One said yesterday in open locker room. He said, Hey, 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.360 let's put the best eleven men out there. It doesn't 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.000 matter if it's gonna be a four three or three 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:01.120 to four. That's just your person Sometimes if you're in 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.240 a three four, you might want to stand somebody up 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:04.760 or put your hand in the ground and make it 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.320 a four three hybrid like that. So I like that 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.680 answer from Nolan yesterday and what he was able to 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.040 do kind of just talking about, hey, it doesn't matter, 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.000 let's put the best guys on the field. I love it. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.160 I more than like it. I love it so much 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:21.360 because it's especially with as much change personnel wise as 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.600 you could have on defense, why try to step in 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:26.439 and immediately say this is what we do and we 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.200 got to find players fit. I mean, he's coached in 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.840 multiple different types of defenses, so might as well just 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.200 go get players and figure out what you're gonna do. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:38.200 Plus the Patriots and other teams, we're seeing more multiple 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.280 defensive league is evolved that way over the last decade. 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.360 I mean, and you've had to the league has had 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.200 to evolve defensively like that because of what's happening on 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.920 the offensive side of the ball. The trickle up effect 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.040 of what's happened, you know, the college game has infiltrated 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.440 the NFL. I mean, it was a high school to 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.679 college and college to the NFL. And you know, he 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.520 saw it with the Saints a lot this year, which 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.520 were no was the linebackers coach this past year where 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.840 their two edge rushers they would put them on the 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.320 same side a lot, you know. And you know the 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.880 Packers did that with the Smith so to speak, brothers, 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.880 you know. And I think that's that's the way you 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.199 got to go about your business now in this league. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.400 Got to be able to adjust. And in the past, 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.000 at least under Marin Elliot was hey, you you're a 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:27.160 scheme guy. You're a scheme fit. And now it's parcels 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.840 go back. Yeah, yeah, that's right for I mean, he 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.880 had the prototype going back to the eighties and probably 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.400 when he was at Texas tech in the seventies. These 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.640 are this is who I get for this position, the 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.760 prototype player that's going to fit into our scheme. And 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.560 now you look at it and said, hey, let's just 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.360 let's just ball. Let your players play. And the Latry days, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.720 I mean the flex defense. I mean, there were certain 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.440 roles that each player had in his front seven. And 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.440 isn't it kind of reflective of what you see on 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.000 the offensive side of the ball with this college style 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.520 of play, kind of infiltrating the NFL and saying, let's 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.560 let your baller's ball. Let's let's throw Lamar Jackson out 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.360 there and let him do what he does best. Let's 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.200 adjust to Patrick Mahomes. And you see where that got 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.040 the Chiefs. I mean, it seems like the defensive side 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.840 is kind of starting to adjust a league wide way, saying, hey, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.440 let's let's get to that point where we can put 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.760 our best eleven men on the field, not necessarily worry 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.200 about schemes and fits and let that work. It's what 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.920 It's magic, no surprise. But the Pats are kind of 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.120 at the forefront of that right now, because I mean 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.880 we watched them, we covered them for a week last year, 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.760 this past season trying to match up with the Cowboys 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.960 what they were doing. Their top defensive linemen are basically 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.920 linebackers and some packages where you've got guys who can 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.920 rush and cover and do all those things. More athleticism 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.440 across the field to try to Kyle's point, to match 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:47.840 which you got on the other side of the field 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.800 with different types of offenses. So, you know, I think 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.440 you had that with the Patriots even going back to 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.320 previous decade with Willie mcguinnis who you know, yeah, and 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.960 Bruskie who is a defensive end coming out of college, 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.240 but they continued that. I guess it was in twenty 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:09.040 eleven when High Tower came out and I loved him 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.160 coming out of the draft for the Cowboys, even after 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.680 Sean Lee was drafted the previous year. And one of 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:17.680 the reasons was in that Alabama three to four defense, 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.920 he was used either as an inside backer sometimes as 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.000 a rush end as well Courtney Upshaw on the other side, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.800 And you know, Belichick sees that, and here we are 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.840 a decade later and high Tower is one guy that 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.080 they decided to keep, you know, and pay some money 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:39.120 to at New England. But that's what makes it exciting too. 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.440 I think when you go to look at the draft 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.440 and we'll get into the Senior Bowl and what Kyle 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.240 sawl down at the Senior Bowl when we come back 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.480 in just a moment. But it's exciting because with all 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.920 the free agency Cowboys have, with all the needs that 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.080 Cowboys have, and with all the changes on the coaching staff, 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.280 there's a they can go any number of directions in 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.560 this draft. And let's talk about that when we come 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.640 back here on talking Cowboys in just a moment. I'm 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.120 Jay Novachek, former tight end for the Dallas Cowboys. Back 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.040 in the day. 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September twenty nineteen to Talk 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:10.080 in Cowboys, Talking Cowboys continues on a Tuesday, the last 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:16.040 Tuesday of January twenty twenty. It's crazy that it's already 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.679 almost February. Think about what's happened this month as far 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.520 as the Cowboys are conserved without even playing a game 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:27.760 this month. A few changes here in though in the 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.280 last twenty seven, twenty eighth to day right, twenty eight 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:35.159 days offseason. Huh yeah, no such thing as the off season. 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.320 Things will settle down though, I don't know when, but 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.240 things will settle down when. Because we got the draft. 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:45.000 We're already talking draft free agency combines coming up in 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.840 about three weeks, yes, a little over three yeah, about 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.280 a month now, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fast agency 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.639 free agency and all of that is fascinating to me, 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:56.760 just because with a new staff and decisions and negotiations 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.920 going on before four all of that. Yeah, well, Dak 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.399 Prescott get his deal, May Cooper Byron Jones, what are 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.040 you gonna do with? Yes, Yes, much decision to be made, 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.160 and it all factors into okay, what is the staff 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.720 value and how does that influence the front office and 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.159 what they do and when to decide to keep players 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.560 let them go and we'll see not Dak or Amari. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.200 They're not going anywhere, I don't think. But you know, 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.280 a lot of this roster could could look different. It 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.479 always does to some degree, maybe a third. But you know, 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.679 they've got a lot of decisions to make. And we 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.120 will take your phone calls here since since we don't 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.360 have Everson and we don't have Mickey, we've got more 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:38.760 time to fill. Is that a slight to me? No, 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.320 not at all, not at all. It's but it's a slight. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.399 I've got Spagnola's listening right now. I really yes. I 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.560 bet he's got his phone up while he's got his skis. 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.359 He just can't he can't get away. He got his 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.120