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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show Podcast, joined now by Florida Senator Rick Scott.

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Speaker 1: You just heard me talking about the one point seven

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Speaker 1: trillion dollar bill, Senator Scott. I'm down in your state,

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Speaker 1: Key West. Pretty fantastic down here, and Buck and I

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Speaker 1: both spend a lot of time in the state of Florida,

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Speaker 1: So we thank you on some level for repping us,

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Speaker 1: as well as many people that are listening across the

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Speaker 1: state of Florida right now. But I got to ask

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Speaker 1: you right off the top. Mitch McConnell said yesterday the

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Speaker 1: top priority for Republicans in his mind is giving forty

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Speaker 1: five billion dollars to Ukraine. I don't know any Republican

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Speaker 1: whose top priority right now in the country is Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Do you no? The top I already ought to be

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Speaker 1: taking care of American Susans. We got to get inflation

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Speaker 1: under control, we got to get rid of this debt.

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Speaker 1: We've got to make sure we have a lethal military,

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Speaker 1: We've got to make sure get crimed down. I mean,

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Speaker 1: those are the things that people care about. Look, I

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Speaker 1: support making sure that we can help we can help

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Speaker 1: Ukraine be able to defeat Russia with lethal weapons. But

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Speaker 1: it's not the most important thing we should be doing.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it's it's it's a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: And with this bill. We got this bill one thirty

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Speaker 1: yesterday morning. It's three times the size of the Bible.

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Speaker 1: They want to vote on it today. No one, there

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Speaker 1: will not be one person votes for this bill that

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Speaker 1: will know what's in it. There's no way you can't

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Speaker 1: read the Bible that fast. It's three times the size

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Speaker 1: of the Bible. Now it's perfect example. You do know

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad things in it. So this

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Speaker 1: is what's so crazy to me. You come from the

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Speaker 1: world of business, and a big part of being successful

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Speaker 1: in business is negotiation, and a big part of success

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Speaker 1: with negotiation is leverage. Tell me what I'm missing here.

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Speaker 1: When the Republicans are going to take the House in

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, I know you're close in the

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Speaker 1: Senate at fifty one forty nine or however you want

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Speaker 1: to classify it, depending on how you define cinema and

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Speaker 1: when Mansion decides to make a switch potentially, But why

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Speaker 1: in the world would you agree to this bill right

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Speaker 1: before the House comes into the hands of the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: What am I missing from a negotiation strategy here? How

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Speaker 1: would it not be much better for Republicans to control

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Speaker 1: one half of Congress and negotiate something new next year? Well,

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Speaker 1: iran against Miss McCollough to be the leader of the

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Speaker 1: Republican Republicans Senate for this reason quick given to the

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Speaker 1: Caden and to the Democrats. Why wouldn't we want the

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Speaker 1: leadership in the Republican House negotiate this bill? Yeah? So

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Speaker 1: this is a Democrat bill. This is a Pelosi Schumer bill.

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Speaker 1: That's what theist. It's not a Kevin McCarthy bill. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have any control over it. He's not going

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Speaker 1: to vote for it. He doesn't want us to do this.

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Speaker 1: So seventy five year marks another one point one tree

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Speaker 1: wins for Pelosi and Schumer, that's who it's wins for.

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Speaker 1: It now for the most republic Why in the world

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Speaker 1: is this happening? You? I zoom based on all the

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Speaker 1: coverage I'm seeing. Barring something crazy, a lot of Senators

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Speaker 1: This is going to pass. They're going to ram it

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Speaker 1: through the House with a Democrat majority. Why in the

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Speaker 1: world is this being so rushed and our Republicans so eager,

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Speaker 1: so many of them to sign on here in your mind,

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Speaker 1: because here, because it's right before Christmas. We got to

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Speaker 1: get home that you know, there's a storm coming in

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Speaker 1: the Midwest. We gotta get out of here. Don't worry

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Speaker 1: about voting, don't worry about reading things. This is all orchestrated.

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Speaker 1: This has been orchestrated since I've been up here. We've

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Speaker 1: been up here for four years. Republicans did it, Democrats

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Speaker 1: are doing it. They organize this right before Christmas. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, if you don't go along, you know

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Speaker 1: you must. You know you're gonna make us all see

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Speaker 1: a prayer up through Christmas. It's really bad. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, government will get shut down right at Christmas. No,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have to get shut down. This is all orchestrating.

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Speaker 1: We should not be doing bills we've never read. This

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Speaker 1: should not be This was negotiated by three people, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean not even not even House Republicans were part

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Speaker 1: all orchestrated. When McConnell, you know, as a majority leader,

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Speaker 1: cram it down our throats. And it's because if you

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Speaker 1: don't go along, boy, you're you're you know, you're shutting

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Speaker 1: down government. No, y'all you can do is do a

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Speaker 1: continued resolution. This should have happened this, This is a budget.

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not the way you would do a budget,

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Speaker 1: but this is their budget, all right. This should have

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Speaker 1: been done before September thirty, when the fiscal year started.

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Speaker 1: We're in a continued resolution, which is stupid. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's saying, oh, we're going to just spend we spent

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Speaker 1: last year on programs. Maybe we don't don't even want

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Speaker 1: to keep funding them, but why wouldn't we do a

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Speaker 1: continued resolution until we get a new Republican House and

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Speaker 1: let them pass whatever spending bill we need, no doubt

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Speaker 1: and center Scott, what would you say? Because I think

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Speaker 1: there's a huge majority of my audience and Bucks audience

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Speaker 1: the basically the representation that they're getting from the Republican

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Speaker 1: where obviously things didn't go as well as we wanted.

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Speaker 1: At least we won the House. Do we have two

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Speaker 1: political parties here right now when we got an acquiescence

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Speaker 1: essentially to a one point seven trillion dollars budget. What

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Speaker 1: would you say to people out there who are listening

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Speaker 1: see in terms of Republican opposition against this Biden administration. Well,

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Speaker 1: we've got a Republican party out outside DC. We need

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Speaker 1: to have a Republican party in DC. We need to

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Speaker 1: have people when they get up here to do what

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Speaker 1: they said they were going to do when they run.

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Speaker 1: How many people go home and say, hey, look, elect

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Speaker 1: me because I'm going to vote for things I've never

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Speaker 1: read before. You're right, does that I'm going to vote

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Speaker 1: for things that's going to raise another debt by one

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Speaker 1: point one trillion dollars. No, I'm going to cause more inflation? No?

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Speaker 1: So what you have to start? What you have to

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Speaker 1: do as a voter? Hope people countable if I do,

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Speaker 1: you know, I tell people this is what I believe in.

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Speaker 1: So if you voted for me, this is what I

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Speaker 1: plan on doing. And if I don't do it, you

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Speaker 1: should call and yellow me. So got to hold people accountable.

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Speaker 1: So this passes in your mind I'm assuming, and then basically,

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Speaker 1: when is the next time that Republicans have any kind

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Speaker 1: of impact on the budget in any kind of substantial way.

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Speaker 1: We're basically punting for a year, right, Oh, no, they'll

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Speaker 1: do it next year. Here's here's say, Oh, we're not

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Speaker 1: going to ever do this again. This has got to stop.

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Speaker 1: And guess what, next December we'll be doing it again.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's nobody. I mean, what's the pressure point

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Speaker 1: it works? Shubar's getting what he wants. I mean, Shober

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Speaker 1: and Plosi won with this. We didn't win, they won,

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Speaker 1: all right, so there was there's no pressure point to

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Speaker 1: do this. I mean, the next the next big fight's

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Speaker 1: going to be when we raise the debt ceiling. And

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Speaker 1: here's what they're gonna say, does oh, you have to

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Speaker 1: raise the debt ceiling. No, let's stop spending money and

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Speaker 1: balance our budget and start paying down debt so we

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Speaker 1: don't never have to raise the deiling. I did when

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Speaker 1: I was governor. I balanced a budget every year, I

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Speaker 1: up in paff tween years when I became governor. You

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Speaker 1: can do these things. We gotta just start doing it, Amen,

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Speaker 1: Florida Senator Rick Scott, Mary Christmas, appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 1: I'll continue to unpack this budget when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred two two two eight A two is the

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Speaker 1: phone number if you want to weigh in and join

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Speaker 1: us and voice your displeasure with Mitch McConnell, maybe the

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Speaker 1: worst Senate Majority leader in many of our lifetimes, selling

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Speaker 1: out Travis and buck Sexton on the front lines. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back in play Travis buck Sexton show. I understand. So

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Speaker 1: we just were talking with Senator Rick Scott of Florida.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to vote in favor of this bill.

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Speaker 1: Why in the world is any Republican in the United

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Speaker 1: States Senate voting in favor of this bill. This is

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Speaker 1: a big deal. There's now reports out there of checking

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Speaker 1: the news that this forty one hundred pot plus page bill,

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Speaker 1: They released this bill after midnight. And I just want

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Speaker 1: this bill, and I want to give credit to Dan

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Speaker 1: go follow Dan Bishop at at Rep Dan Bishop on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Democrats are gonna spend. I'm gonna hit several of these

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Speaker 1: spend four hundred and ten million dollars in this budget

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Speaker 1: on order security for Jordan. Lebanon Elevenon is a town

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Speaker 1: doing anything at our own southern border. They're going to spend,

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Speaker 1: as I said earlier, a hundred billion dollars total forty

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Speaker 1: five billion more. This is crazy talk for Ukraine. How

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Speaker 1: You can go find these yourself. This new bill that

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Speaker 1: to improve border secure This is pretty crazy. It gives

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Speaker 1: one point four three eight billion dollars to the United Nations.

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Speaker 1: There is a ton of giveaways, including sixty five million

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Speaker 1: dollars to study the riskstore the Pacific salmon population, three

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Speaker 1: million dollars be friendly highways. How about sixty five point

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Speaker 1: seven million for the International Fisheries Commissions. Five hundred and

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Speaker 1: to name a federal building after Nancy Pelosi, and two

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Speaker 1: programs for Senator Pat Leahy. Three point six million dollars

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Speaker 1: for a Michelle Obama trail, three million dollars. Why are

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Speaker 1: we giving taxpayer dollars for an LBGTQ museum in New

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Speaker 1: They're also going to create a Ukrainian Independence Park in Washington,

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Speaker 1: four million dollars for Diversity and Inclusion and structural Racism

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Speaker 1: given the fact that our taxpayer dollars have already probably

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Speaker 1: aided and embedded the COVID virus being created in a

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Speaker 1: Chinese lab, why in the world are we giving more

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Speaker 1: to the support of the FBI given all of the

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Speaker 1: revelations that are coming out associated with the FBI's behavior

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Speaker 1: on Twitter alone. Two hundred million dollars for a gender

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Speaker 1: equity fund. I mean, I just looked through this. Three

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five million dollars to prepare for a

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Speaker 1: Justice to prosecute all of these jan six prisoners that

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Speaker 1: all the National Security Mission and their backing facilities to

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Speaker 1: process the millions of illegal aliens coming through. That literally

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Speaker 1: has operational control over the cartels and what's happening. They're

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Speaker 1: putting drugs across criminal aliens and potitional national security crists

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Speaker 1: every day, all day long. That's where we're at that's

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Speaker 1: where we're at right now, and we have been for

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Speaker 1: the past twenty three months with Title forty two. So

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Speaker 1: the crisis isn't going to be again when it ends,

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Speaker 1: it's just going to make it worse. Mark Morgan, former

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Speaker 1: Acting Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection. You mentioned the cartel.

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Speaker 1: We know that there's tons of fent and all coming

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Speaker 1: across the border that's killing over one hundred thousand Americans

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Speaker 1: every single year. Right now, I read and I believe

443
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Speaker 1: this is New York Times, So credit to them for

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Speaker 1: actually managing to cover this. That the cartel is making

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Speaker 1: thirteen billion, that's billion with a b thirteen billion dollars

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Speaker 1: a year smuggling people illegally across the border. And to

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Speaker 1: put that into context, that's more than any American pro

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Speaker 1: sports league makes, the NFL, the NBA, Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 1: How powerful is the cartel right now? And how much

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Speaker 1: in your experience have they taken over not just drug

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Speaker 1: smuggling but also persons smuggling people into this country. Look, lay, look,

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Speaker 1: I'll come back on talking any time, because you're you're

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Speaker 1: very well versed in that. So, first of all, you're

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Speaker 1: exactly right, thirteen billion in some cases that's more more

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Speaker 1: a greater GDP than some countries. And I think to

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Speaker 1: put that thirteen billion even more greater context. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's from two thousand and eighteen, just the smuggling,

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Speaker 1: not drugs, as you said, just the smuggling. It went

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Speaker 1: from a five hundred million dollar business in two and

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Speaker 1: eighteen to thirteen billion right now, So just yeah, crazy

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Speaker 1: a year, right, And most of that has happened in

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Speaker 1: past two years. So that's and we haven't talked about

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Speaker 1: the billions they get from their their their drugs. And

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Speaker 1: here's here's the Issue's that the cartels they do it

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Speaker 1: all right, so sore they're a multilayered, multi faceted criminal organization.

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Speaker 1: I keep saying the cartels the most powerful criminal organization

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Speaker 1: in the world. So it's it's it's not just smuggling,

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Speaker 1: but smuggling, it's drugs, it's anything that they could do

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Speaker 1: to make a profit. They don't care about the devastation

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Speaker 1: that causes the individuals involved over this country. And in

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Speaker 1: the past two years their bank accounts have grown, but

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Speaker 1: not just their bank accounts, so has their power influence

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Speaker 1: and reached a lot of people think of just in Mexico,

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Speaker 1: that's just not true there. They're every state in this

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Speaker 1: country there, their reach goes to as well as other

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Speaker 1: countries and the Western Hemisphere and beyond. They are a dangerous,

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Speaker 1: ruthless entity. That is one hundred percent behind this, And

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Speaker 1: that's why Governor Abbott, I'm one hundred percent behind him

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Speaker 1: when he declared that his state is being invaded, because

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Speaker 1: what he has done by that, through the Constitution Clause Clay,

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Speaker 1: he has declared war on the cartels, which is exactly

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Speaker 1: what we should be doing. Which is why for people

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Speaker 1: out there listening who don't live near the border, so

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Speaker 1: many people who do live near the border, even if

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Speaker 1: they were born in Mexico, even if they were born

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Speaker 1: in Latin America, they want border enforcement as well because

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Speaker 1: they are terrified of the cartels and they know better

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Speaker 1: than most the amount of power and violent power that

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Speaker 1: these guys are bringing to bear on the border. We're

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Speaker 1: talking to Mark Morgan, former Acting Commissioner Customs and Border Protection. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the other thing that I think many people are

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Speaker 1: missing is traditionally when we've talked about illegal immigration, it's

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Speaker 1: been people relatively close to our southern border. Now all

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Speaker 1: over the world. You can correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: but it basically has become well known that the United

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Speaker 1: States is essentially letting anybody walk across the border that

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Speaker 1: can get there. And so now we have people from

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Speaker 1: all over the world that are coming to Latin America

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Speaker 1: and trying to cross into the United States. That has accelerated,

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Speaker 1: probably to a degree we've never seen before. Again, these

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Speaker 1: aren't just people in geographic proximity necessarily who are coming

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Speaker 1: to our southern border. They're coming from everywhere to walk

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Speaker 1: across our southern border. But you're one percent right. And

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Speaker 1: this is another very important element because sometimes people like

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Speaker 1: to do comparison back in the late nineties and two

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Speaker 1: thousand with respect to the numbers, and you can't do

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Speaker 1: that because back in the late ninees and two thousand,

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Speaker 1: almost one of the illegal aliens we're saying is what

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Speaker 1: you described early on, right, But there's been a change

510
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Speaker 1: is and that those guys, by the way, that sorry

511
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Speaker 1: to cut you off, but we would be significant about that,

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Speaker 1: is those guys might travel to the United States to work,

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Speaker 1: but they still kind of thought of themselves as primarily

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Speaker 1: living in Mexico. They might go back and forth across

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Speaker 1: the border as opposed to trying to make their permanent homes.

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Speaker 1: If you're coming from somewhere far around the world, you're

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Speaker 1: not coming here for seasonal work, and you're certainly not

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Speaker 1: returning back across the other border. That's a seismic change

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Speaker 1: in terms of border security in general. Right, Absolutely, seizemic change.

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Speaker 1: That's the right adjective. So again, late ninety two thousand,

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Speaker 1: it was almost one hundred percent Mexican single adults. As

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Speaker 1: you describe your spot on. Now I give an example,

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Speaker 1: just to put stomp everything you said. The last two

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Speaker 1: years CBP has encountered illegal aliens or otherwise inadvisible aliens

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Speaker 1: from one hundred and sixty different countries one six zero.

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Speaker 1: There's only one hundred and ninety five recognized countries in

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Speaker 1: the world. Just just think about that. Let us soak

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Speaker 1: in for a second. Look. It's not just the Western hemisphere,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not just Mexico, the northern Triango countries

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Speaker 1: or the entire Western hemisphere, Clay, as you said, it's

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Speaker 1: the entire world. In fact, there are many what we

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Speaker 1: call special interest countries. There are many illegal aliens coming

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Speaker 1: from these special interest countries that we're concerned about because

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Speaker 1: we have intelligence that these countries are either connected to

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Speaker 1: or helping finance terrorists or terrorist activities, and that's happening

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Speaker 1: every single day. We know that last fiscally year alone,

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Speaker 1: that CBP encountered ninety eight illegal aliens on the FBI's

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Speaker 1: terror screening database. Ninety eight in a twelve month period.

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Speaker 1: That's more than the past five, six, seven years combined.

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Speaker 1: And why why should that matter to us? What mark

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Speaker 1: they're looked. They're doing a great job encountering no, No,

542
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: because they're pulled off the line. Because if this administration's

543
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Speaker 1: open border policies, there's been over one point two million gataways,

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Speaker 1: over a million gataways play. So look, it's not hyperbolic

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Speaker 1: to say, for example, but we could have the next

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Speaker 1: terror sleeper cell in the United States planning the next

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Speaker 1: terrorist attack and we would have no idea. Look, the

548
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Speaker 1: worst terrorist attack in our lifetime nine eleven took about

549
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Speaker 1: a dozen people. The bombing in Boston marathon took two people.

550
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a real NASA security threat. All right.

551
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Speaker 1: So this is all incredibly negative, and we know things

552
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: are just getting worse with everything that Joe Biden touches.

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Speaker 1: If we were actually committed to border security, how much

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Speaker 1: would it cost? How quickly could this be reversed? So, look,

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Speaker 1: this is very important because we have to differentiate between

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Speaker 1: resources and policy, right, this is this is not a

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Speaker 1: sole resource issue. Now, don't get me wrong. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people, Oh so you know Foreign Commission, We don't

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Speaker 1: need more resources. No, I'm not saying that. Now. We

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Speaker 1: need the tribe true, a multiplayer strategy of infrastructure, technology

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Speaker 1: and personnel. Wherever we have that right lay down, every

562
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Speaker 1: single measure of success goes up. So we need to

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Speaker 1: build more law, we need to make sure we have

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Speaker 1: increased technology in between at supports, and we need to

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Speaker 1: have the right level of personnel. But look, you can

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Speaker 1: have all of that, but as long as you still

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Speaker 1: have the open border policies illegally, inders are still going

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Speaker 1: to come. Resources are going to be pulled off the

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Speaker 1: line no matter how much you put on there, and

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Speaker 1: our borders are going to be open. So what we

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Speaker 1: need to focus on our policy issues, which costs US

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Speaker 1: zero clay zero for Congress to step up and finally

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Speaker 1: do what they should should do to protect US America,

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Speaker 1: to protect this country, they should meaningful legislation to secure

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Speaker 1: a border. We've provided them what they need to do

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Speaker 1: and what the legislation they need to pass that will

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Speaker 1: cost American test payers zero reinstate to remain in Mexico

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Speaker 1: program reinstate though, sign a safe third country agreements, reinstate

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Speaker 1: ices ability to actually do their job to remove criminal

580
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: illegal aliens that are here. We could go on forever.

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Speaker 1: That's the tip of the iceberg. Good stuff, Mark Morgan.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll be working with people to actually do all

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Speaker 1: those things at some point in the near future. Although

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Speaker 1: when you see publicans rushing to spend one point seven trillion,

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Speaker 1: you do wonder whether they'll actually do what they promise

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Speaker 1: to do, even if we vote for them. Appreciate the

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Speaker 1: time I'm man do that. Thanks Clay, Mark, Merry Christmas

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Speaker 1: you as well. That's Mark Morgan, former Acting Commissioner of

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have an expert come on, Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: do is if you are hearing questions that come to

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Speaker 1: mind as we are having this versation. I'm gonna try

645
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: to monitor Twitter, so if you can tweet me at

646
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: Clay Travis. If you do not hear me asking questions

647
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: that you find to be particularly unique or useful, here,

648
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: send me questions and I will ask a few of

649
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: those as well. Again at Clay Travis right now on Twitter,

650
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: and we bring in Joseph Scott Morgan. Okay, you were

651
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Speaker 1: at Fulton County Medical Examiner Office. I want to ask

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00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: you this question just to start. We know that someone

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Speaker 1: walked into this home with armed it appears only with

654
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: a knife stabbed for people to death. Walked back out

655
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Speaker 1: of that home. We don't know where the weapon is,

656
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: we don't know who did it. Have you ever seen

657
00:39:53,440 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: a case like this in your life as a forensic investigator? No,

658
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Speaker 1: I haven't play and thanks for having me today. I've

659
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: worked before. I was in Atlanta. I was with the

660
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Speaker 1: Jefferson Parish Corner's office in New Orleans. I've worked into good,

661
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Speaker 1: big cities, I mean Atlanta and New Orleans, not cities

662
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: where murder is uncommon. The reason why I'm starting with

663
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: that question is to walk in armed only with a knife.

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Speaker 1: I just want to kind of start here because I

665
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: was having this conversation with my wife last night, because

666
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: she's also been following this case. To me, what stands

667
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: out about that decision is this is someone. First of all,

668
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: that walking into a strange person's house is something that

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Speaker 1: most people wouldn't do right, but to do it to me,

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Speaker 1: the more I think about this armed only with a knife,

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Speaker 1: when you know there are multiple people inside of that home,

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Speaker 1: it seems like someone who is very comfortable with what

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Speaker 1: they can do with that knife. And that's why I

674
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Speaker 1: wanted to start with that question, because even the method

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00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: quadruple murders aren't common, thankfully, that often in general, but

676
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: quadruple stabbings of what appears to be totally innocent college kids,

677
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Speaker 1: there's almost no precedent for stories like these. No, there's not.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you can search as much as you want,

679
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: you're not going to find quadruple stabbings most of the time,

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Speaker 1: particularly as they're isolated in one location, one structure like this,

681
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Speaker 1: essentially in two different bedrooms, obviously on separate floors. But

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Speaker 1: you know, the supposition that's being put forward that this

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Speaker 1: perpetrator is a stranger perhaps, and I know that, you know,

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Speaker 1: it makes for it's titillating to hear that because people

685
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Speaker 1: think about some stranger coming out of the dark. I'm

686
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Speaker 1: not buying into that. I think that more than likely

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Speaker 1: this individual obviously, as you stated, I knew who was

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Speaker 1: living there and probably knew of the structure. They may

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Speaker 1: have been inside of this dwelling. It's an odd dwelling Clay,

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00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: to say the very least. It's you know, it's multiple floors,

691
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: three floors, two entrances, and both entrances one is on

692
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: the lower ground level where the parking pad is, and

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00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: then you go up to the second story and there's

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00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: another external ground level entry, and then it's got this

695
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: kind of switchback staircase, and the house has been added

696
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Speaker 1: onto over the recent recent years, so it's an oddly

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Speaker 1: shaped environment. It's something in my opinion, at least the

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Speaker 1: individual would have had been familiar with. And keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: one thing that keeps being pushed forward over and over

700
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: and over and over again is that this location was

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00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: a gathering spot for college students off campus. It has

702
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: been termed as a party house. So when you hear

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00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: all of that, the other thing here is this doesn't

704
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: feel like a random act of violence. It feels like

705
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: this was targeted in some way. Most people who again

706
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: walking in with just a knife and then being committing

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Speaker 1: the murder of four people walking out with that knife.

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Speaker 1: We talked to Nancy Grace a few weeks ago and

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00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: she said, usually this is a violent act. There's DNA

710
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: left behind because a lot of times with a knife

711
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: you might end up cutting yourself. We haven't heard anything

712
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: about any blood that might belong to someone potentially a

713
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: killer in this scenario. Does that suggest to you that

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Speaker 1: this was not the first time that someone may have

715
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Speaker 1: engaged in violent behavior like this? And also in your experience,

716
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Speaker 1: does it happen very often that somebody suddenly snaps and

717
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: commits a violent act like this, or they're typically many

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00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: other violent acts that would have occurred before someone engages

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00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: in behavior like this. Yeah, I think that they have

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Speaker 1: a mindset toward violence. It's something that they would be

721
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Speaker 1: very comfortable with in this environment. And who knows what

722
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: the rationale was for this if they were you know,

723
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: focused in on these individuals to the point where they

724
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: were so obsessed that the gore didn't bother them. And

725
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Speaker 1: trust me, it trust me in this situationidering that these

726
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: two pair of individuals, these these victims, they're co sleeping.

727
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Speaker 1: So this these attacks, if we are to believe what

728
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: we're hearing at this point, would have taken place in

729
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: individual beds. So you have two people sleeping in one bed.

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Speaker 1: The perpetrator would have been covered in blood. So and

731
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: they're leaving behind all kinds of trace evidence. But it's

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Speaker 1: not surprising we don't know that yet. This is very

733
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Speaker 1: from a forensic science standpoint, from a trace evidence standpoint,

734
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Speaker 1: this is very very dense material. This is not something

735
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Speaker 1: that can essentially be turned around in a couple of

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00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: days and you're going to have, you know, evidence that's

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00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: just going to say, hey, here's here's the perpetrator. The

738
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: reality is this if it is co mingled, and I'm

739
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: talking about the blood samples, and yeah, we could and

740
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: we could have an unknown that could be tied back

741
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: to a perpetrator. All of this is going to have

742
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: to be unspooled in order to create a profile, a

743
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: biological profile on the individual. And this takes time, not

744
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: to mention everybody else that's passed through this house that's

745
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: left behind things like touch DNA. I mean, all of

746
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: us that have been college students in an undergraduate situation,

747
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: have been to an off campus location for parties and whatnot.

748
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: Lots of DNA is left behind in those environments. So

749
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: they're having to make their way through all of this

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Speaker 1: at the laboratory given everything that has come back from

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00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: the scene based on your experience, as you said, in

752
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: New Orleans and Atlanta, And we're talking to Joseph Scott

753
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: Morgan who has Bodybags, a iHeart podcast that you guys

754
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: can all go check out. Would it stun you if

755
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: the killer didn't leave behind some DNA evidence. No, I

756
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: think that it would be impossible for them not to

757
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: particularly and let me give you the measure of that

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00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: clay as we're talking about in current contexts. Years ago,

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00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, it's possible that they might not

760
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: have been able to pick up on stuff. But the

761
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: tests that are being run nowadays are so very sitive.

762
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: And when I say touch DNA, I'm talking about things

763
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: like sluffing, dead skin cells, those things, those little particular

764
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: things that are left behind in a space. And keep

765
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: in mind, this attack is very very intimate. You know,

766
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: you think about a multiple shooting case where you have

767
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: some distance between the target and the perpetrator. That's not

768
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: what happened. You have an individual that probably crawled into

769
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: the bed with these individuals. There's a lot of touching

770
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: that's going on, and plus the driving of this knife

771
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: into these bodies. This is a very intimate circumstance. So

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00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: even if the individual did not cut themselves, there's a

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00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: high probability that they left some trace evidence behind. And

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00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: keep in mind this, this is fascinating to me. When

775
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: somebody engages in this kind of heinous act, this is butchery.

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00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: By the time they get to the fourth person, the

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00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: fourth victim, they're going to be profusely sweating. This will

778
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: completely lead to exhaustion. It would not surprise me to

779
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: learn that the individual had actually left behind droplets of

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00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: sweat on the last syctem. Their adrenaline is going to

781
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: be pumping. They'll be at such a level of excitement

782
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: and in this just trying to keep themselves going, there's

783
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: going to be elements left behind that can be traced

784
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: back to a perpetrator. I think when you hear all

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00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: this and talking about being able to stab four people

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Speaker 1: to death, including one basically grown man, does that suggest

787
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: to you that this is a big, strong man that

788
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: it would be unlikely that generally speaking, a woman would

789
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: be capable of executing these crimes. And the other part

790
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: of this is they all died in most stabbings. And

791
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: again I'm not an expert on stabbing, but it seems

792
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: like there are a lot of people who survive because

793
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: it's hard to know exactly where the stabs are going.

794
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Does this suggest to you that

795
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: this person, given the fact that they walked in with

796
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: a knife, had a lot of experience with stabbing potentially,

797
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: which is rare. Right, even people out there listening to

798
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: us right now, who might sometimes have a knife with

799
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: them for protection. Most people have never actually practiced, I

800
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: think Buck said and special when the CIA they had

801
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: some limited training, but most people haven't actually practiced ever

802
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: stabbing someone. What does that suggest to you that all

803
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: four of these people were killed, and again that it

804
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: was four different people and only armed theoretically with a knife.

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00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: To your point about the difference between a gun and

806
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: a knife, I mean, going after four people with only

807
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: a knife, I would think a lot of people, even

808
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: if they had violent intentions, would not be comfortable doing

809
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: that unless they had been trained. Yeah, and that is

810
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: key here. And remember the Corners stated in one interview

811
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: that she did give that the injuries, the injuries, the

812
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: fatal injuries were limited to the chest. She had talked

813
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: about that specifically. I'm not talking about what the pearance

814
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: have said or anything. I'm talking about the inner view

815
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: that the corner gave. And she said that there was

816
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: at least one fatal wound to the chest area on

817
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: these victims. Now there were some defensive wounds. That gives

818
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: me an idea that they hung around until they knew

819
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: that each individual was finished off. They were purposed, They

820
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: were purposed in this clay in order to make sure

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Speaker 1: that no one survived, no one was going to be

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Speaker 1: able to identify them. I think the one big ask

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Speaker 1: that people have here, and you know they're kind of

824
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: scratching their heads, is that in the lower portion of

825
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: this home, there were two people that were left alive

826
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Speaker 1: in a second living area, in their own bedrooms. And

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00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: so I think that that, again is something and I

828
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: toyed with the idea was this person actually hiding in

829
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Speaker 1: the home when both of these parties arrived later in

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Speaker 1: the evening. I want to come back because I'm getting

831
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 1: so many questions out there. You have time to stay

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00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: with us and allow me to read some of these

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Speaker 1: questions that I'm getting during the commercial break and bring

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Speaker 1: you in to answer some of them pure clay as

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Speaker 1: long as you need. Okay, So, Joseph Scott Morgan, formerly

836
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Speaker 1: of forensics in both New Orleans and Atlanta, is going

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Speaker 1: to stay with us. Hit me with your questions during

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Speaker 1: prior conversations, Buck and I have had have many questions

844
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